I really love when you talk about power scaling in one piece, I used to also think that linear scaling was how you could determine who was stronger than who in one piece, but then I remembered that it truly doesn't make sense, for example there's no way that in a hypothetical, oda would make ulti beat katakuri in a fight because of the power creep, and there's no way law would lose to sanji
Power scaling in one piece is simply who oda thinks is stronger or who looks stronger, and this happens a lot, like crocodile clashing with doflamingo even though he lost to pre time skip Luffy and doflamingo lost to gear 4 Luffy, law going from losing to doffy to fighting an emperor, or sanji going from not being able to pack up Virgo and daifugu to fighting and defeating king These are just some examples to show that while characters might lose and while some characters are stronger than others, when the time comes regardless of who you lost too you will be able to do what the story or to be more specific what oda needs you to do whether it's catch a W or L
The prime example of this is Luffy vs Enel (and even crocodile). Enel was able to destroy entire islands and one shot in a matter of seconds zoro, wyper and Robin. He also one shot the great serpent which luffy zoro and wyper couldn't even hurt a little, but still lost to luffy cause he was his literal counter. It's obvious that at the point Enel was much stronger than luffy in the general scale, but luffy could win because of that advantage.
@@Jusaguywithbrain Enel was not dumb, once he acknowledged that luffy was immune to electricity he switched fighting style using his trident and the gold on the ship.
@@OuhHey if powers scaling in a verse is not necessarily linear just because of progressing events and also depends on matchups rather than just someone surpassing someone just like because of the inner energy difference, then that's actually a fun and a descent system
The greatest problems with powerscalers in one piece: 1) Oda piece 2) The French 3) Zoro 4) Filthy Centrists 5) Zoro 6) KOH is the worst power up in Wano
Thank you. O my gosh this has been my greatest problem with the community. They exalt feats WAY over narrative, when it's clear Oda cares 5 times more about narrative than feats. This is the problem I have. Some ppl'l say Zoro is stronger than big mom because of he speed blitzed her and she was afraid of enma, but c'mon. U hv to be a Zoro 🥧 reader to believe he beats big mom
@@RunD.Ones1s oh so the "normal fans "who think 3b was serious against luffy the fans who think shanks can mid dif all three admirals are good to you and if you say tHaTs a mInOrItY same applies to admiral fans 3B BEATS BIG MENE MID DIF
@@Naldinho456 who tf is 3b? If you’re talking about kizaru he 100% was going all out against Luffy and anyone who says otherwise is coping. As for shanks, even the three weakest admirals (kizaru Fuji and green bull) would be too much for him at once idk anyone who says he could take them 3v1, but he definitely could 2v1 any pair other than Aokiji + Sakazuki or either of them + Garp
Enel is a good example he was way way stronger than the crew but luffy had the ultimate hax counter- Even today if Enel hit Any of the crew it will hurt them a lot . Tho now they all almost can hit back
i discovered the matchup paradox myself when having vanilla and modded minecraft mobs fight each other and then power scaling, too many weird one sided match ups and power triangles but i tried my best to overcome this.
Oda doesn't really power scale. This isn't Dragon Ball. All we know is these 3 absolutes: Luffy will always win (in the end) Blackbeard will always win (offscreen) THIS SHOW ISN'T DRAGON BALL
Fax . As the great Stan Lee once said " who ever the author wants to win will win" no matter what form or powerscaling logic is applied. This goes perfectly for OP.
There is powerscaling this is a silly argument it’s just not necessarily the type some of the community likes to believe. There’s some match ups where it’s debatable like Zoro vs Kizaru, even if most say Kizaru there’s nothing definitive. Then there’s stuff like Marco vs King and Garp vs Aokiji where we were very clearly shown who is stronger but the community uses mental gymnastics to go against what the author actually depicted. Then other totally one sided match ups like Akainu vs Kaku
@@rand12389that's just lazy writing. Will u be happy if a small kid defeats kaido in a fight? Without training without haki without devil fruits. There's something called logic.
Oda clearly powerscalers. Not as deeply as dragon ball or jjk. If there's no powerscaling scabbards wouldve had an upperhand against greenbull. There's a reason why oda made big mon almost defeat ulti for nami to defeat her. She couldn't directly defeat her. Oda made bm defeat page one. Usopp didn't. This is because he wanted to have logic
I mean yeah, a brawler against a swordman, it's clear Who is at an disadvantage however Luffy really outscale Zoro too much so it shouldn't be a problem for Luffy. Right now the only swordmen I see that Luffy has no shot against them are Mihawk and Shanks.
@@donrog5035 Yeah, I'm not saying Zoro beats Luffy at all, like there is pretty much 0% chance but Zoro's attacks WILL make Luffy bleed and leave scars if hit right. Like If Something like a ashura dead mans game hits Luffy honestly would be out for awhile cuase if Zoro at a state where bro had multiple bone broken could give a scar to a hybrid Kaido who is like x10 times the size of base Luffy and can make guillotines brake in his base form. Swords being Luffy's weakness and him being the size of a teenager, realistically Luffy should be in 2 pieces. But of course it ain't gonna be that easy lol.
Hypothetical matchups are fun to discuss. But "power-scaling" is restarted and will never be the canon people think it is. Oda writes a story and narrative, not a UFC report
yep. the same way i hate cross verse power scalers who just look at purely speed and attack potency. it is so much more interesting to compare how the different abilities of 2 characters would interact and who has the better level of intellect and skill
@@upliftlizard1715 exactly! there is so much potential in discussing "ability/hax" matchups, but people always resort to "but they are faster than light blah blah blah"
This is a large part of why I always am trying to gauge who is stronger by how the story is trying to portray them rather than powerscaling. Glad you feel similarly most don't. On that note. Guys warcury isn't stronger than Kaido. Please gauge the story correctly
This is my top ten strongest of all time 1 Luffy(surpassed kaido) 2 Kaido(strongest creature in history) 3 Dragon(opposing world gov) 4 Mihawk 5 Shanks 6 Teach 7 Akainu 8 Aokiji 9 Rocks 10 Whitebeard
Just a quick reminder Superior, Law is WAYYY more durable than Queen. Queen in his hybrid form by KOED in 2 hits by a Big Mom with NO HAKI, while Law took multiple armament barrage hits from BigMom and still landed his strongest attack yet which paralyzed BigMom.
@@SuperiorI.Q blud said he got back up next chapter, he got KNOCKED OUT OF ZOAN FORM from BASE bigmom💀💀💀Law endured attack from a amped BigMom, shit is not compareable
@@Takt.mp4 Still he’s relatively fine and didn’t receive no lasting damage. If law was able to tank a attack stronger than that and take little to no damage sure I guess but I haven’t seen it. Laws > endurance is better anyway but idk if his body more durable.
I think people do understand that powerscaling isn't really gonna do much once oda starts drawing lol. But that's oda piece, plot governs all not ap scaling Also, mid isn't touching king. Whether any one uses that portrayal excuse for him or not, he is still getting destroyed.
Generally the metric of "Character A beat Character B in a fight, therefore character A is stronger" has always been a terrible argument for one piece. -Luffy "Defeated" characters who are more powerful than him several times (Crocodile, Enel, Gecko Moriah, Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri, Kaido). Yet, Luffy wouldn't be able to recreate these character's feats in the slightest. Kidd and Law "Defeated" Big Mom but not in Haki or overall power, they had to remove her from the battlefield. -Narrative plays a huge role, but i think it's generally good habits to keep a character's power level separate from their narrative showings. Their power should stand independently based on their feats and Oda's portrayal of their power in comparison to other people
yeah in pretty much every single fight you mentioned, luffy had external factors that helped him win, it helps keep the story interesting, because having luffy simply be more powerful than the opponent is far less interesting than having him have to work together with his allies, or learn new skills in order to win
W vid bro been waiting for you to post I hope you keep it up with posting a lot more again I have kid and law over Sanji and Zoro because of portrayal and the feats they have done on a yonko even tho it was a 2v1
@@Jucietin none of them rival with Luffy, Luffy rivals now is Shanks, Teach and Buggy, Kid and Law are out, and Zoro is as strong as Luffy, Luffy now is a yonkou but Zoro is a swordmaster, same "rank" as Shanks and Mihawk (not saying stronger than them, but close)
My personal annoyance with the community is how anime communities in general power scale through emotion. For example, I've heard things like Kid is a bum, slow, and below YC1 level and Law has trash endurance. - Big Mum rag dolled Queen in her weakest form in literally a couple of seconds. Regardless of if Law was there, Kid was fighting an amped Big Mum who actually had her normal mind and devil fruit powers, yet he survived substantially longer, did serious damage since Big Mum lifts a building to dodge a corna dio, which isn't even his strongest attack. Law also got hybrid thunder Baguya'ed on rooftop and then took multiple haki infused punches from soul amped Big Mum and easily takes endurance over Queen yet people will say "But he is an ancient zoan so has to take endurance" like that can beat the fact that he has striaght up worse endurance feats. - Base Big Mum has literally the exact same speed as base Kaido as well so Kid by default has relative speed to a stronger version of Big Mum than the one that fought base Kaido. This means he is easily faster than start of Wano Luffy who literally just beat a YC1 who the community believe is one of the fastest.
yes! i agree with everything youve said, oda has portrayed characters like kid and law to be somewhere below luffy, but above characters like zoro or sanji, which makes sense since at they are meant to be potential rivals to the main character
I disagree with the portrayal of law and kidd as rivals of luffy kidd and law aren't really relevant anymore infact koby has more portrayal of rivalry then kidd and law but nobody's gonna say he's yc1 lvl or something@@upliftlizard1715
You can look at the characters and fights with so many angles its nuts, kinda like with sports, and its only up to Oda to pick which ones are gonna be relevant. For example (and the one i hate the most😂) the seraphim against luffy zoro lucci and kaku. We've already seen Zoro beat a lunarian just an arc ago, and we've seen luffy fight with Kaido for a while even without G5. But the seraphim were just introduced as the next big shiny threat so cant really have Zoro and Luffy easily beat them, so we gotta make them stupid asf and not use their power ups and even after zoro remembering their weakness they still dont use them and apparently they beat them with the Bubble Guns :/
@@Talkyeuueurudhfj now that we're at the endgame, and all of the characters Oda has been saving can finally fight, and G5, the fights are starting to become very interesting, but some nerfs for the sake of plot are def gonna keep happening, it is what it is.
I think the biggest problems in OP power scaling is that fights are very match up dependent and oda is very inconsistent. Also the Anime is about to confuse the community even more.
Yeah, Oda honestly do not give a fck about powerscaling and OP is kinda best example of what Stan lee said. "Who the author wants to win will win" . Oda will nerf characters or make them get caught off gaurd or something even if sometimes it doesn't make sense at all. If the bigger picture of the arc or story as a whole requires somebody to stall or beat another character it will happen whether powerscaling wise it makes sense or not.
I AGREE with the overall ranking, like not just looking at one matchup to see who is stronger HOWEVER Sanji is still stronger than Law lol im sorry, hes just a more complete, more rounded and a better fighter. Law has more things that hes done because hes a captain thats his role (not to mention he loses most of the time, soecially in 1v1)
well the opponents law has faced were far stronger than the ones sanji had faced, thats why he didn't look as good in those fights. Law had to fight kaido, big mom, and blackbeard during and after wano, wheras sanji has fought (post genetics) queen, a seraphim, and now samurai ghandi i just cannot see a world where sanji performs nearly as well as law did against characters like big mom or blackbeard although i cannot think of many wincons for law against sanji, that doesnt make him weaker
@@parmar__12You ignored what superior said in the vid. Potrayal matters and at the end of the day it doesnt matter who you think is stronger, what matters is what Oda wants to do.
@@parmar__12 I mean even with potrayal its not like Law flabbergasted looking at Zoro when Zoro jumped in front of the double Yonko attack and when even with a whole bunch of bones broken Zoro went Ashura and went up against Kaido.
@@animoments8969portrayal does matter but laws portrayal isn’t that much greater then zoros if anything zoro and law have pretty relative portrayal narrative and feats it would be extreme diff fight either way
You make a valid point, but don't think you explained it in the best way, but I do understand what you mean though. A win can be had with tactics over power; the situation of a fight gives you a particular outcome, not the strength of the character alone. And honestly, I think that's what makes showdowns interesting, not "my number bigger so I win" but the tactics and stratagems, like Water Lluffy against Crocodile. And honestly, it's why I think power-scaling is waste of time if not only done for narrative reasoning.
Kid post Wano can spam Punks. He saved it as a super attack vs Big Mom because of the stamina drain and he coul only use one at a time. He was going to wipe out a fodder fleet with 4 at once BEFORE he expected to fight Shanks' crew. King doesn't beat Kid at all 😂 he and Law got insane amps following Wano.
@@kingrippzard2027 nah my head canon reached out to oda sensei and convinced him that katakuri is a Roger rival. I hypnotized him and he still doesn't know zehahaha
Not a fan of how people crap on Big Mom. Sure, she lost! But it was more of a mismatch: - She NEVER used her full power nor have we seen it. She can use MORE than a year to power up a lot more. She NEVER used Ryou and ACoC when it's shown that she can. Law has counters against BM's abilities. She immediately got up after tanking Law AND Kidd's strongest attacks. - The databooks put her and Kaido above Oldbeard. Oldbeard might be weaker than prime, but Marineford has shown how much of a beast he is. Even if Admirals like Kizaru can outmaneuver BM, she's still MUCH above him in durability/endurance, and raw power. - It was a 2v1. NOBODY in Onigashima can defeat Big Mom 1v1 except for Luffy and Kaido. NOT even Zoro, for those Zoro fans. Unlike with Kidd/Law, she saw Zoro's potential to harm her. So she's not gonna nerf himself like she did with the two and use Ryou + ACoC right away. - She's 68. While it doesn't sound serious, 70+ is literally the age where the likes of Rayleigh, Garp and WB has experience a sharp decline in power. Sure, she's still stronger than God Valley BM 30 years ago, but surely she's stronger 10 years ago at Kaido's age. This might explain her performance. - She was confident that not even the Magma is enough to kill her. So this isn't gonna be the last time we see her. She's gonna come back in Elbaf for sure.
- She also vastly underestimated Law/Kidd. My guess is because they can't use ACoC. So she purposely nerfed herself in order to make the fight more "fun". Something she shares with Kaido. She and Kaido are like the Goku/Vegeta in terms of fighting. Shanks is like future Trunks, with an "end the fight ASAP" mindset.
big mom is probably a character who has the potential to be the most powerful being in the world, but due to her low knack for battle, and even worse mentality, she cannot reach her full potential
The problem with powerscaling is it is irrelevant to storytelling. OP is a story, not a MMA league. The only reason a character ever wins or loses any fight is because it contributes something to the plot of the story. Hypothetical matchups are a fun nerdy thing to think about, but it's not actually applicable when interpreting the story.
Yeah, with OP unlike with JJK or the dragon ball franchise where the author is straight up giving powerscaling comparison directly with new explenations and power ups and stuff OP is just whatever the plot of the ongoing arc or the big story as a whole desires will happen whether it makes sense power scaling wise or not.
Power scaling is cringe and pointless. The character that wins a fight is the character that the writer wants to win the fight it is that simple always has been
Admirals being yonko level is the dumbest thing the powerscaling community has ever done I swear people lose their brains when it comes to scaling the admiral.
One piece is always overwritting the states, while in other mangas states are added to not mess with things that have been defined already. For example Robin said that when luffy grabbed cesar that haki can hit logias but not prevent them from changing shape, later we see that haki can disable devil fruit powers almost like sea stone. And this is only a small example. So many things in one piece are questionable without having any explaination.
Now tell me then, you made a video saying zoro can beat big mom. What attack will do that exactly? exactly. Zoro is just a wasp that can sting her at most
DBZ really did a lot of damage to ppls critical thinking skills when it comes to anime matchups. A big chunk of ppl think "if char is stronger, then char always wins, and vice versa, if char wins, then char is unequivocally stronger", even though that isn't even true within DBZ. They completely forget or ignore important questions like "was there an inherent matchup disadvantage at play", "were they at peak performance", "was their heart in it", "were there unusual, unreproducable circumstances".
@@Wandering._.Takuan bro Queen used an ordinary sword it didn't have haki nor a devil fruit awakening backing it you forget Zoro can cut through steel and that was pre-timeskip Zoro so no swordmen do mean something to sanji
this issue extends beyond the one piece community and stretches to almost any fandom, especially when it comes to cross verse fights. i saw a vid where it was sukuna vs buggy, and even though if this fight was to be written by either author that sukuna would win (unless it was done as a gag), the wacky chains of scaling from measuring pixels from a fucking cartoon makes buggy the victor
Wild part is op power scale isn't bad it's the fact that people outside the op fan base or fans who's fav anime is naruto constantly downplay op power refuse to acknowledge its growth because then other anime who use to be above it can't keep up
I mean with this example OP fans kinda have and excuse cause (idk about the Naruto manga, I only watched the anime) Kishimoto, Toriyama and Gege directly do powerscaling comparisons when mentioning feats and powerups and stuff . Especially Gege . Bro's always like this guys the fastest except for Gojo , Sukunas open domain is a divine feat , Gojo is the strongest of today well not rn but u know. Yuta is the 2nd strongest like that. While Oda is pretty much stan lee and doesn't give a flying fck about powerscaling. Whatever the current plot or the big picture of the story as a whole desires to win will win.
@@charlesredd9619 I think op power scaling is like Saitamas cause the minute g5 came out people were saying luffy solos naruto both of them are at fault
@@charlesredd9619 its usually the opposite, the amount of videos of "pre-time skip Luffy beats Naruto and Ichigo" is insane. and post-time skip Luffy gets severely overplayed, "he dodged Kuma's lightspeed attack from a mile away! thats a MFTL feat!" or "gear 5 Luffy beats Goku due to toon force".
It’s a problem overall because it doesn’t matter what you say, or who you explain it to, someone is gonna run with their interpretations no matter what. Perfect example is Kidd when talking abt literally anyone. “We never see him use haki” “bum got 1 shot” “bum lost an arm to a commander” and so on. Yet the constant portrayal in oda’s writing is that kidd only loses to the strongest. He was Luffy’s rival preskip. His power is nothing to scoff at. Somehow he’s seen as this weak aah dude that ppl try to argue would lose to doflamingo, when he literally broke big mom’s arm without his awakening active. If he doesn’t use haki, he’s literally just physically strong enough to break big mom’s arm then. Who else is just that physically strong without haki?
@@igiornogiovannahaveadream649 Doffy gets destroyed mid dif at best. Kidd has punk corna dio, an attack that both scared big mom, and broke her arm. And he has his awakening to both freeze doffy in place , and damned punk which barely anyone in the story could withstand. Doffy isn’t weak, but he is next to irrelevant to the current story since he is canonically weaker than cracker by a pretty significant margin.
@@animoments8969 She was going at it with Kaido for 3 days. The same Kaido that speed blitzed act 1 Luffy AND almost did again in the rooftop. He still grazed Luffy's forehead even when Luffy literally stood in one place and put all his focus into the future sight. She covers like 10 ft of a normal person with 1 of hers lol.
This is a very good explanation on how Luffy was able to defeat Alabasta crocodile. Crocodile is definitely in tier above Luffy at that time. This also actually explained on why Crocodile look way more impressive in marineford than Luffy. Luffy was struggled against Mihawk while Crocodile seemed to handle Mihawk way better than Luffy.
When we actually go back and analyze things, even after Marineford Luffy defeating Crocodile is not thay big of a stretch like everyone makes it out to be and it's simple: Crocodile has trash durability and relied on intangibility of the fruit to survive and how op it was, specially in the desert. Once Luffy was able to touch him, his inhuman strenght was too strong for Croco Even in Marineford, if you stop to think at what Croco did, nothing is much impressive. Even the "handling Mihawk" doesn't exist cause he just shoved away a basic slash aimed for Luffy with his hook and them Mihawk and him went after other people Then he basically died to Doffy, if the latter decided to use Haki and had his attack stopped by Doffy's feet and managed to stop Alainu for 2 seconds via a sneek attack which did no damage but broke his concentration. I'm a MASSIVE Crocodile fan, but Crocodile is basically Caribou with better portrayal, more brains and charisma, or a bettee comparison: He's like Caesar Clown, very smart with an OP fruit and can wreak havoc in the perfect conditions but overall not as strong as many other around him(Though Croco surely got a buff in the timeskip)
Calling Queen more durable than Law is crazy when there is a direct comparison between their durability against Big Mom. A fresh Queen was KO'd by a hakiless and homiless base Big Mom instantly whereas an already injured Law was taking back to back armament punches from awakened Big Mom and still didn’t lose consciousness like Queen.
It’s literally so annoying like.. people gotta realize especially with, “top tier” are relative enough to where you can matchup characters in different ways since they have different abilities.. like mofos so annoying about shit😂
People were saying Sanji low diffs kid because kid can’t even see Sanji move and I was like “ Kid fought 3 Yonko, what has Sanji done”, they said “Sanji just speed blitzes him gg”.
The méthode that the fans do to powerscale character is wrong, because some stats are irrelevant like speed, durability, and i don't know those stats, i mean one piece fights depend on attack potency and endurance, and the mentality like the will to fight and surpass, unless there is a big gap between two characters than its a different story, for example if zoro and sanji fought each other i think it will be a draw since the two can't bare losing to each other, even if it seems that zoro is slightly stronger, if a certain character can't one shott another than the outcome of the match still unclear
i have seen people saying kid is faster than king, wci snakeman luffy just because kid was able to keep up with big mom who is a yonko, these guys said that " she is a yonko" so that automatically puts kids speed above these characters i have mentioned, i mean like how does that make any sense?, even explaining that " the big mom that kid and law fought was heavily nerfed" these guys still said " doesnt matter, she is still a yonko"
Nah, it's usually based on Big Mum keeping up with the same Kaido that blitzed WCI g4 Luffy and her outspeeding and choking hybrid Marko who was keeping up with King and blitzing Queen at the same time. I mean, if trying to find some feats based argumentation for such take, it should reffer to something like this moments.
People need to stop using the point of luffy is vulnerable to slashes EVERYBODY IS VUNERABLE TO SLASHES. Shanks doesent break swords with his abs like I don’t get that point. Like if haki is infused it’s cutting even sanji or Kaido regardless
@@royalfun1031 it is. Only time it’s not unless they have weaker haki than the person in question. Like Kaido is naturally resistant to slashes. But every human being in one piece isn’t not just luffy so people saying luffy is vunerable to slashes is dumb beacuse so is roger, zoro shanks, and whitebeard and Blackbeard and every human alive.
Didn't Queen get 2 shotted by a BM that wasn't even in her right mind lol. Now I will say that Law and Kidd had crazy ass plot armor and Law had infinite durability with infinite stamina in the fight lol. But it is what it is.
I think ryou and acoc should be able to get Mihawk cause with them, U don't even have to touch to attack and the damage is cause from the inside . Plus Mihawk can always just knock Buggy the fck out with his fists lol
@@rand12389 my point is more so about the fact that 1v1 can cause upsets through specific weaknesses. A better example was probably enel vs luffy. At that point enel was stronger but had to fight the one guy with innate resistance to his powers. At the time enel was clearly stronger but luffy still won.
So basically if Mihawks title was earnt by defeathing Shanks (other contender for the title), this wouldndt imply him being actually stronger than Shanks. According to your logic in this video (which is right, Sanji vs Nami is perfect example). Of course we dont even know how mihawk got the title in the first place.
Enel is weak tho he doesn't have speed to match the verse he called luffy "fast" and luffy's ap was enough to beat him so anyone with higher ap and speed than pres ts pre gears luffy should put a fight against him also enel had a decent match up he was using a trident too
@@Jusaguywithbrainwell almost right but they still need to be able to hit him most of enels strength comes from his lightning which can do a lot of damage sure somebody can have more ap than luffy but without a way to hurt him what can they do
@@Jusaguywithbrain enel is pretty much impossible to scale, due to the ambiguity of his fight vs luffy. if enel ever returns, oda has the luxury of being able to make him nearly as powerful as anyone that he wants, since he has been gone from the world for 2 years, as well as the actual narrative for over 2 decades (outside of cover stories)
Kid beating King is complete nonsense. Dude really thought he said something with that. Kid cant even get past his defense well. He "beat" big mom by ringing her out with Law's assist. Kid isnt actually a threat to Big Mom so that doesnt help hom agaonst King.
WTF. So kid is stronger than King but King wins becuase its a better match up and the proof that Kid is stronger is that King could not beat big mom? Geuss what neither could kid on his own. So either you just replace King with Kid and have law still there or push aside Law and have it a 1v1 kid vs big mom. And kid would get demolished.Also King dominated a pre acoc zoro who is stronger than pre awakwning kid and still stronger than awakned kid because last i checked kid isnt a zoan user who gets physically stronger with an awakening. Proof of that is hakai, zoro was the only one who could react to it and survived even tho even kid admitted that he would have died without zoro blocking it to give law the time he needs to teleport them. The thing is the premis in this video doesnt aplly in these matchups. Kid doesnt have a specific weaknees that makes him unable to ++use his full power king happens to use, King just has a kaido like durability even without Flames off(And kid did jack shit to kaido), in his flames off mode he is also faster than a pre acoc zoro who is faster than kid, Yes his ap is not shown very good but the fact that he has flames like magma should be enough to meld anything kid throws at him. I mean no one would say that King is stronger than zoro and he just got unlucky with the match up because zoro awakend acoc.(side note and not that relevant but i could also reverse this logic. Kid was portrayed better than king because kid had a better macht up agaisnt a big mom who let herself get hit by every attack he does and king had the misfortune to have to fight zoro who actually tried to not get hit by every attack) this sounds weird and its supposed to because thats the same logic. From whats blantanly shown king is above kid in every aspect but because of how the fight ended its kid stronger than king for some reason.
Brother, kid n law got these feats in a 1 vs 2 against Big Meme, who decided to go to the rooftop instead of finishing what she was supposed to do. anyone give me a panal where Law lands his awakening on nerfed Big Mom all by himself or against Blackbeard after he standed in front of Law with the knowlage of being aware that Law awakend his df. we saw what happend when both tried to exchange against Yonko's individuell, they got obliterated, n if people wanna say that Shanks cought him off guard, then what about nerfed BM being cought off guard multiple times in that 1 vs 2, and I say nerfed BM because it is a fact which even the biggest casuals see by now. Big Mom was not one time attacking kid or law with ACoC Infusion, which were so strong that she was able to match Base ACoC Kaido for three days even though BM literally older than him but she still manged to match Kaido sama haki for three days, and who knows maybe Kaido went even hybrid against her, and how it looked like they literally were matched each other's on equally footing since both come out of that battle without taking an L, so BM was in fact indeed fooling around with both of them. I mean it's even easy to point out when you actually look back at how overpowerd Big Mom Haki were, and then how much she infused her attacks with it against kid n law.
I don’t rlly think it’s that deep, luffy dodged lightning so he’s faster then lightning in skypiea, he maintains that speed until gear 2 where he then is around light speed, time skip does by he can dodg light casually in base, kizaru has to move faster then light to be relevant so everyone’s ftl rn
that is exactly what he is saying. portrayal is literally how strong the character is meant to be interpreted as within the story. For example, characters like rocks, shiki and kong have little to no feats, but due to their importance within the story and their PORTRAYAL, they are certainly hard hitters within the verse
@@upliftlizard1715 Yeah , when you have no feat , portrayal > feats obviously , because you only have that However when you do have feats , its better to scale them
@@lordzo7758 i mean not really, since most feats will line up with portrayals it's usually not a problem, but portrayals are still more important since it is quite literally the intention behind the characters level of power and importance. the best example is mihawk, lacklustre feats, but his portrayal is that of the strongest swordsman in the world, and there is a good chance that he is the strongest alive currently if you exclude unknowns like imu, but that is a lot more contestable
, law and king vs big mom. They wouldve made quick work of big mom like she wouldve been done way soon. Kid and king vs big mom and she most likely kills kid with king still fighting ... Thats why king is stronger then kid no matter how i look at it
You don't want to know. According to some french: -current Zoro is stronger than Mihawk. Zoro doesn't want to become the WSS anymore but he want to become the King of hell. -Admirals are as strong as yonko commanders. -Shiryu is stronger than Aokiji. -Shanks can solo 3 Admirals.
if u read jjk maki does beat hakari she has most durability n stamina plus he cnt use jackpot against her katana it will weaken his technique nd cause tic damage to where he cnt heal even in a domain people that talk ab jjk do not take everything said into factor nd make biased claims yet gege wrote maki as a integral piece to defeating sukana as well nd not hakari from wha we have seen
yes but gege has also portrayed Hakari as one of the heavy hitters of the main cast and was therefore delegated the role of defeating uraume on his own. he literally said in the video that maki would counter hakari, due to him being reliant on his domain, but that doesn't mean shes stronger than him (quite the opposite considering all of the statements saying that hakari=yuta>maki). Saying that maki is stronger than hakari is like saying skypeia luffy is stronger than enel just because he counters him
Fighting is more complicated than who can hit harder or who beat up the stronger person. I agree with you but I don't really agree with your examples mainly because law or kid didn't one v one big mom or kaido plus you can have specific states and still be weaker overall. Like kid and law have higher attack power than Sanji sure but overall that's the only thing I can give them and maybe endurance but speed and durability definitely go to Sanji because they're not tanking a sword no haki and they're not taking fish man karate because they have human bodies but by how much of a gap we may never know. As a final note these characters will never be drastically stronger than each other unless the story demands it. It's a story and sometimes things will be placed purely to limit ones ability so the stories interesting for instance gear 5th not only being extremely draining but also making Luffy extra silly. Otherwise Luffy wouldn't really have a challenge. At the end of the day who can kill who is a bad way of judging because buggy can kill kaido by simply coming up with a way to get kaido in the water but no one is seriously saying buggy is stronger than kaido.
I've been saying this for ages now "He wins so he's stronger" is stupid Just like the example you used,sanji definitely beats law,law has nothing he can do against sanji But law is still the stronger one And sanji can't even touch boa,but he's still stronger than her If Zoro and sanji were to fight against aokiji, they'd put up a better fight than kidd and law But kidd and law are still stronger than both of them
What do you mean by kid and law being stronger than zoro and sanji if you think zoro and sanji defeats law and kidd majority of the time as they have better haki and physical stats and Zoro even has better feats than kid and comparable to law and they also have better match up so how did you come up with that claim... Just a genuine question
Y’all taking my on the spot hypothetical powerscaling to serious I was talking in the eyes of some of the community.
The agenda says we gotta mess with you🗣🗣🗣but fr you made a video month's ago saying Law > Sanji. Shouldn't be ruffling feathers
@@maliklofton9148 just for clicks and views bruh
I think it's that your base point is good ASF but your hypotheticals kinda sucked ass
I really love when you talk about power scaling in one piece, I used to also think that linear scaling was how you could determine who was stronger than who in one piece, but then I remembered that it truly doesn't make sense, for example there's no way that in a hypothetical, oda would make ulti beat katakuri in a fight because of the power creep, and there's no way law would lose to sanji
Power scaling in one piece is simply who oda thinks is stronger or who looks stronger, and this happens a lot, like crocodile clashing with doflamingo even though he lost to pre time skip Luffy and doflamingo lost to gear 4 Luffy, law going from losing to doffy to fighting an emperor, or sanji going from not being able to pack up Virgo and daifugu to fighting and defeating king
These are just some examples to show that while characters might lose and while some characters are stronger than others, when the time comes regardless of who you lost too you will be able to do what the story or to be more specific what oda needs you to do whether it's catch a W or L
Sanji vs Boa is the most one sided fight i can think of in one piece because bro got conically existence diffed by Boa
Sanji would turn to stone without her fruit being used.
Sanji hears a description of how Boa looks, and he’s already stone😭
The prime example of this is Luffy vs Enel (and even crocodile). Enel was able to destroy entire islands and one shot in a matter of seconds zoro, wyper and Robin. He also one shot the great serpent which luffy zoro and wyper couldn't even hurt a little, but still lost to luffy cause he was his literal counter.
It's obvious that at the point Enel was much stronger than luffy in the general scale, but luffy could win because of that advantage.
Tbf luffy did have the speed advantage over enel plus enel is dumb
@@Jusaguywithbrain Enel was not dumb, once he acknowledged that luffy was immune to electricity he switched fighting style using his trident and the gold on the ship.
Ulti > Katakuri is one of the worse power scaling arguments that I have ever heard. Glad someone else see's it.
Nobody actually believe this
It's just a way to demonstrate how the Powerscaling in OP is fucked
@@OuhHey Nah Hime actually does
@@OuhHey if powers scaling in a verse is not necessarily linear just because of progressing events and also depends on matchups rather than just someone surpassing someone just like because of the inner energy difference, then that's actually a fun and a descent system
@@OuhHeylinear power scaling leads to power creep. Matchups >>>> increasing power levels
The biggest problem with One Piece powerscaling is that Gecko Moria has yet to do one push up
The greatest problems with powerscalers in one piece:
1) Oda piece
2) The French
3) Zoro
4) Filthy Centrists
5) Zoro
6) KOH is the worst power up in Wano
THE FRENCH😭
@@SuperiorI.Q it always comes back to those damn 🥖
The French will have you believe King beats Mihawk and that Zoro is already the world's strongest swordsman 😭
@@maliklofton9148 didn’t you know, Zoro isn’t a swordsman anyway
@@kingrippzard2027 He's training to be the strongest skillsman. I forgot. Silly me
Great video. Didn't expect Kid respect but we take that everytime in this community
Thank you. O my gosh this has been my greatest problem with the community. They exalt feats WAY over narrative, when it's clear Oda cares 5 times more about narrative than feats. This is the problem I have. Some ppl'l say Zoro is stronger than big mom because of he speed blitzed her and she was afraid of enma, but c'mon. U hv to be a Zoro 🥧 reader to believe he beats big mom
Zoro fans and Admiral fans
Yonko fans are worse
@@Naldinho456 “yonko fans” are just normal people who understand power scaling
@@RunD.Ones1s oh so the "normal fans "who think 3b was serious against luffy the fans who think shanks can mid dif all three admirals are good to you and if you say tHaTs a mInOrItY same applies to admiral fans
3B BEATS BIG MENE MID DIF
@@Naldinho456 who tf is 3b? If you’re talking about kizaru he 100% was going all out against Luffy and anyone who says otherwise is coping. As for shanks, even the three weakest admirals (kizaru Fuji and green bull) would be too much for him at once idk anyone who says he could take them 3v1, but he definitely could 2v1 any pair other than Aokiji + Sakazuki or either of them + Garp
@@RunD.Ones1sno they're not, they hype up LinLin she isn't even in the same tier as Kaido. She's next to BB.
Enel is a good example he was way way stronger than the crew but luffy had the ultimate hax counter- Even today if Enel hit Any of the crew it will hurt them a lot . Tho now they all almost can hit back
damn, bro woke up and chose rational thinking
It's all Zoro fans bro. They ruin everything
Mah sanji fans
Man have him among Zoro law yamato etc
With no feat and portrayal
Solely with a lameass argument that he's fAsT
Stop it clown
You are talking like only zoro fandom has toxic fans
U should see the Law fans or the French lol
@@rand12389 ace d riders still dismissing HIMBEARD and w-kainu after 12 yrs I rest my case
@@parmar__12faxxx idk how ppl have sanji on there level when it’s so obvious
i discovered the matchup paradox myself when having vanilla and modded minecraft mobs fight each other and then power scaling, too many weird one sided match ups and power triangles but i tried my best to overcome this.
Oda doesn't really power scale. This isn't Dragon Ball. All we know is these 3 absolutes:
Luffy will always win (in the end)
Blackbeard will always win (offscreen)
THIS SHOW ISN'T DRAGON BALL
Fax . As the great Stan Lee once said " who ever the author wants to win will win" no matter what form or powerscaling logic is applied. This goes perfectly for OP.
There is powerscaling this is a silly argument it’s just not necessarily the type some of the community likes to believe. There’s some match ups where it’s debatable like Zoro vs Kizaru, even if most say Kizaru there’s nothing definitive. Then there’s stuff like Marco vs King and Garp vs Aokiji where we were very clearly shown who is stronger but the community uses mental gymnastics to go against what the author actually depicted. Then other totally one sided match ups like Akainu vs Kaku
@@rand12389that's just lazy writing. Will u be happy if a small kid defeats kaido in a fight? Without training without haki without devil fruits. There's something called logic.
Oda clearly powerscalers. Not as deeply as dragon ball or jjk. If there's no powerscaling scabbards wouldve had an upperhand against greenbull. There's a reason why oda made big mon almost defeat ulti for nami to defeat her. She couldn't directly defeat her. Oda made bm defeat page one. Usopp didn't. This is because he wanted to have logic
@@kirind.dragon1901 He doesn’t always care about logic though. The first round Luffy vs Kizaru compared to the second is an example
The reason why I believe Luffy would be at a disadvantage against a top tier swordsman is not because he made of rubber but because of how he fight
I mean yeah, a brawler against a swordman, it's clear Who is at an disadvantage however Luffy really outscale Zoro too much so it shouldn't be a problem for Luffy.
Right now the only swordmen I see that Luffy has no shot against them are Mihawk and Shanks.
@@donrog5035 Yeah, I'm not saying Zoro beats Luffy at all, like there is pretty much 0% chance but Zoro's attacks WILL make Luffy bleed and leave scars if hit right. Like If Something like a ashura dead mans game hits Luffy honestly would be out for awhile cuase if Zoro at a state where bro had multiple bone broken could give a scar to a hybrid Kaido who is like x10 times the size of base Luffy and can make guillotines brake in his base form. Swords being Luffy's weakness and him being the size of a teenager, realistically Luffy should be in 2 pieces. But of course it ain't gonna be that easy lol.
@@donrog5035 zoro slices luffy into two and leaves him lookin like gojo lmao
@@CapGodSamahow does the zoro pfp guy have more common sense
@@rand12389hitting him is going to be the hardest fight
this was the vedio i needed a video which can cure my anxiety for upcoming exams....... thanks bro
Bro gave me the best possible motivation ❤️
Hypothetical matchups are fun to discuss.
But "power-scaling" is restarted and will never be the canon people think it is. Oda writes a story and narrative, not a UFC report
yep. the same way i hate cross verse power scalers who just look at purely speed and attack potency. it is so much more interesting to compare how the different abilities of 2 characters would interact and who has the better level of intellect and skill
@@upliftlizard1715 exactly! there is so much potential in discussing "ability/hax" matchups, but people always resort to "but they are faster than light blah blah blah"
This is a large part of why I always am trying to gauge who is stronger by how the story is trying to portray them rather than powerscaling. Glad you feel similarly most don't. On that note. Guys warcury isn't stronger than Kaido. Please gauge the story correctly
He's definitely more durable but overall kaido is stronger for sure by far
This is my top ten strongest of all time
1 Luffy(surpassed kaido)
2 Kaido(strongest creature in history)
3 Dragon(opposing world gov)
4 Mihawk
5 Shanks
6 Teach
7 Akainu
8 Aokiji
9 Rocks
10 Whitebeard
@@Greg12839 Not a bad list at all. I'm not part of the admiral agenda so I would probably minimally swap aokiji for Rodger. But it's not a bad list.
Just a quick reminder Superior, Law is WAYYY more durable than Queen. Queen in his hybrid form by KOED in 2 hits by a Big Mom with NO HAKI, while Law took multiple armament barrage hits from BigMom and still landed his strongest attack yet which paralyzed BigMom.
He got back up fine next chapter, law isn’t tanking big mom attacks he’s just enduring them
@@SuperiorI.Q blud said he got back up next chapter, he got KNOCKED OUT OF ZOAN FORM from BASE bigmom💀💀💀Law endured attack from a amped BigMom, shit is not compareable
@@Takt.mp4 Still he’s relatively fine and didn’t receive no lasting damage. If law was able to tank a attack stronger than that and take little to no damage sure I guess but I haven’t seen it. Laws > endurance is better anyway but idk if his body more durable.
@@SuperiorI.Q sanji is dead after a thunder bagua
@@vincentL.7Kaido has to hit him first though
King mid -high dif kid tho in an actual 1v1
I think people do understand that powerscaling isn't really gonna do much once oda starts drawing lol. But that's oda piece, plot governs all not ap scaling
Also, mid isn't touching king. Whether any one uses that portrayal excuse for him or not, he is still getting destroyed.
Oda is extremely consistent tho
@@Tarnished5Leaf 🤣😂😭😂😂🗿😭🥖😂🤣😭🥖😂🥖😭😂🤣🍋😭🍋
He's already dead leave Kid alone 🤣
Mid mid diffs that nigga
King is fodder, pipe down.
Generally the metric of "Character A beat Character B in a fight, therefore character A is stronger" has always been a terrible argument for one piece.
-Luffy "Defeated" characters who are more powerful than him several times (Crocodile, Enel, Gecko Moriah, Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri, Kaido). Yet, Luffy wouldn't be able to recreate these character's feats in the slightest. Kidd and Law "Defeated" Big Mom but not in Haki or overall power, they had to remove her from the battlefield.
-Narrative plays a huge role, but i think it's generally good habits to keep a character's power level separate from their narrative showings. Their power should stand independently based on their feats and Oda's portrayal of their power in comparison to other people
yeah in pretty much every single fight you mentioned, luffy had external factors that helped him win, it helps keep the story interesting, because having luffy simply be more powerful than the opponent is far less interesting than having him have to work together with his allies, or learn new skills in order to win
W vid bro been waiting for you to post I hope you keep it up with posting a lot more again I have kid and law over Sanji and Zoro because of portrayal and the feats they have done on a yonko even tho it was a 2v1
which portrayal? Zoro portrayal with Luffy, feats wise Zoro alone > Law and Kid feats
@@Queiroz23564 law and kid rivalry with luffy all three have 3 billion bounties both took down the 2 yonkos and luffy is stronger than zoro
@@Jucietin none of them rival with Luffy, Luffy rivals now is Shanks, Teach and Buggy, Kid and Law are out, and Zoro is as strong as Luffy, Luffy now is a yonkou but Zoro is a swordmaster, same "rank" as Shanks and Mihawk (not saying stronger than them, but close)
@@Queiroz23564 yea you lost me “zoro is as strong as luffy” cap bro are you even reading one piece 😭
@@Jucietin what Luffy have or did to make him so superior to Zoro?? NOTHING, there nothing Luffy did to put him so above
My personal annoyance with the community is how anime communities in general power scale through emotion.
For example, I've heard things like Kid is a bum, slow, and below YC1 level and Law has trash endurance.
- Big Mum rag dolled Queen in her weakest form in literally a couple of seconds. Regardless of if Law was there, Kid was fighting an amped Big Mum who actually had her normal mind and devil fruit powers, yet he survived substantially longer, did serious damage since Big Mum lifts a building to dodge a corna dio, which isn't even his strongest attack. Law also got hybrid thunder Baguya'ed on rooftop and then took multiple haki infused punches from soul amped Big Mum and easily takes endurance over Queen yet people will say "But he is an ancient zoan so has to take endurance" like that can beat the fact that he has striaght up worse endurance feats.
- Base Big Mum has literally the exact same speed as base Kaido as well so Kid by default has relative speed to a stronger version of Big Mum than the one that fought base Kaido. This means he is easily faster than start of Wano Luffy who literally just beat a YC1 who the community believe is one of the fastest.
yes! i agree with everything youve said, oda has portrayed characters like kid and law to be somewhere below luffy, but above characters like zoro or sanji, which makes sense since at they are meant to be potential rivals to the main character
I disagree with the portrayal of law and kidd as rivals of luffy kidd and law aren't really relevant anymore infact koby has more portrayal of rivalry then kidd and law but nobody's gonna say he's yc1 lvl or something@@upliftlizard1715
You can look at the characters and fights with so many angles its nuts, kinda like with sports, and its only up to Oda to pick which ones are gonna be relevant.
For example (and the one i hate the most😂) the seraphim against luffy zoro lucci and kaku.
We've already seen Zoro beat a lunarian just an arc ago, and we've seen luffy fight with Kaido for a while even without G5. But the seraphim were just introduced as the next big shiny threat so cant really have Zoro and Luffy easily beat them, so we gotta make them stupid asf and not use their power ups and even after zoro remembering their weakness they still dont use them and apparently they beat them with the Bubble Guns :/
While One Piece has some of my favorite fights in manga/anime they r definitely the weakest point in the series
@@Talkyeuueurudhfj now that we're at the endgame, and all of the characters Oda has been saving can finally fight, and G5, the fights are starting to become very interesting, but some nerfs for the sake of plot are def gonna keep happening, it is what it is.
I think the biggest problems in OP power scaling is that fights are very match up dependent and oda is very inconsistent. Also the Anime is about to confuse the community even more.
Yeah, Oda honestly do not give a fck about powerscaling and OP is kinda best example of what Stan lee said. "Who the author wants to win will win" . Oda will nerf characters or make them get caught off gaurd or something even if sometimes it doesn't make sense at all. If the bigger picture of the arc or story as a whole requires somebody to stall or beat another character it will happen whether powerscaling wise it makes sense or not.
Namis feats against Luffy puts her over Kaido
I AGREE with the overall ranking, like not just looking at one matchup to see who is stronger
HOWEVER Sanji is still stronger than Law lol im sorry, hes just a more complete, more rounded and a better fighter.
Law has more things that hes done because hes a captain thats his role (not to mention he loses most of the time, soecially in 1v1)
well the opponents law has faced were far stronger than the ones sanji had faced, thats why he didn't look as good in those fights. Law had to fight kaido, big mom, and blackbeard during and after wano, wheras sanji has fought (post genetics) queen, a seraphim, and now samurai ghandi
i just cannot see a world where sanji performs nearly as well as law did against characters like big mom or blackbeard
although i cannot think of many wincons for law against sanji, that doesnt make him weaker
@@upliftlizard1715 I mean Doflamingo beat the shit out of law and also lost his arm against Doflamingo.
Ngl it looks like we need that Zoro vs law next 🫡
Zoro clears anybody who doesn't have far superior haki then him
@@parmar__12You ignored what superior said in the vid. Potrayal matters and at the end of the day it doesnt matter who you think is stronger, what matters is what Oda wants to do.
@@animoments8969 never in one piece portrayal matters
When two person fights
And we know who is stronger
Stronger wins
Except croco
@@parmar__12 I mean even with potrayal its not like Law flabbergasted looking at Zoro when Zoro jumped in front of the double Yonko attack and when even with a whole bunch of bones broken Zoro went Ashura and went up against Kaido.
@@animoments8969portrayal does matter but laws portrayal isn’t that much greater then zoros if anything zoro and law have pretty relative portrayal narrative and feats it would be extreme diff fight either way
Our biggest problem are the French scaling
They do be crazy
No lie, they acc so crazy with scaling
They're based.
Those guys have such bad takes that I had to switch languages to be able to enjoy One Piece
"Akainu = YC2" is still one of the most mind numbingly stupid takes I've ever heard.
You make a valid point, but don't think you explained it in the best way, but I do understand what you mean though. A win can be had with tactics over power; the situation of a fight gives you a particular outcome, not the strength of the character alone. And honestly, I think that's what makes showdowns interesting, not "my number bigger so I win" but the tactics and stratagems, like Water Lluffy against Crocodile. And honestly, it's why I think power-scaling is waste of time if not only done for narrative reasoning.
Goathawk still solos the verse 🤫🧏🏿♂️
Loses to w-kainu
@@Naldinho456 most people do
@@Naldinho456Get Bumkainu above Bumffy
@@DrakoNotDraco to wakainu is top 1 replace him with elders and he's packing up luffy
Vista, go handle this fodder 🗣️
Kid post Wano can spam Punks. He saved it as a super attack vs Big Mom because of the stamina drain and he coul only use one at a time. He was going to wipe out a fodder fleet with 4 at once BEFORE he expected to fight Shanks' crew.
King doesn't beat Kid at all 😂 he and Law got insane amps following Wano.
Just remember, in Oda piece Katakuri is relative to King 😡😭
W vid as per usual.
Kat is relative to king even in power scaling
Donuts > Biological Super Species 💀
@@malekith33 dear god Oda Piece has claimed another victim
@@kingrippzard2027 nah my head canon reached out to oda sensei and convinced him that katakuri is a Roger rival. I hypnotized him and he still doesn't know zehahaha
@@malekith33 oh god I knew Oda was French
Not a fan of how people crap on Big Mom. Sure, she lost! But it was more of a mismatch:
- She NEVER used her full power nor have we seen it. She can use MORE than a year to power up a lot more. She NEVER used Ryou and ACoC when it's shown that she can. Law has counters against BM's abilities. She immediately got up after tanking Law AND Kidd's strongest attacks.
- The databooks put her and Kaido above Oldbeard. Oldbeard might be weaker than prime, but Marineford has shown how much of a beast he is. Even if Admirals like Kizaru can outmaneuver BM, she's still MUCH above him in durability/endurance, and raw power.
- It was a 2v1. NOBODY in Onigashima can defeat Big Mom 1v1 except for Luffy and Kaido. NOT even Zoro, for those Zoro fans. Unlike with Kidd/Law, she saw Zoro's potential to harm her. So she's not gonna nerf himself like she did with the two and use Ryou + ACoC right away.
- She's 68. While it doesn't sound serious, 70+ is literally the age where the likes of Rayleigh, Garp and WB has experience a sharp decline in power. Sure, she's still stronger than God Valley BM 30 years ago, but surely she's stronger 10 years ago at Kaido's age. This might explain her performance.
- She was confident that not even the Magma is enough to kill her. So this isn't gonna be the last time we see her. She's gonna come back in Elbaf for sure.
- She also vastly underestimated Law/Kidd. My guess is because they can't use ACoC. So she purposely nerfed herself in order to make the fight more "fun".
Something she shares with Kaido. She and Kaido are like the Goku/Vegeta in terms of fighting. Shanks is like future Trunks, with an "end the fight ASAP" mindset.
big mom is probably a character who has the potential to be the most powerful being in the world, but due to her low knack for battle, and even worse mentality, she cannot reach her full potential
This is a good video!
The problem with powerscaling is it is irrelevant to storytelling. OP is a story, not a MMA league. The only reason a character ever wins or loses any fight is because it contributes something to the plot of the story. Hypothetical matchups are a fun nerdy thing to think about, but it's not actually applicable when interpreting the story.
Yeah, with OP unlike with JJK or the dragon ball franchise where the author is straight up giving powerscaling comparison directly with new explenations and power ups and stuff OP is just whatever the plot of the ongoing arc or the big story as a whole desires will happen whether it makes sense power scaling wise or not.
Power scaling is cringe and pointless.
The character that wins a fight is the character that the writer wants to win the fight it is that simple always has been
Admirals being yonko level is the dumbest thing the powerscaling community has ever done I swear people lose their brains when it comes to scaling the admiral.
One piece is always overwritting the states, while in other mangas states are added to not mess with things that have been defined already. For example Robin said that when luffy grabbed cesar that haki can hit logias but not prevent them from changing shape, later we see that haki can disable devil fruit powers almost like sea stone. And this is only a small example. So many things in one piece are questionable without having any explaination.
I wish I could send powerwankers down the pit Luffy sent Kaido.
Now tell me then, you made a video saying zoro can beat big mom.
What attack will do that exactly? exactly. Zoro is just a wasp that can sting her at most
Spit facts brother 😤😤😤😤🙏🙏🙏🙏🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯 W Video
DBZ really did a lot of damage to ppls critical thinking skills when it comes to anime matchups. A big chunk of ppl think "if char is stronger, then char always wins, and vice versa, if char wins, then char is unequivocally stronger", even though that isn't even true within DBZ.
They completely forget or ignore important questions like "was there an inherent matchup disadvantage at play", "were they at peak performance", "was their heart in it", "were there unusual, unreproducable circumstances".
One slice from Law Sanji done if he gets his timing right 😂
Swordsman mean nothing to Sanji.
On that day law will lose his favorite sword.
@@Wandering._.Takuan bro Queen used an ordinary sword it didn't have haki nor a devil fruit awakening backing it you forget Zoro can cut through steel and that was pre-timeskip Zoro so no swordmen do mean something to sanji
@@Wandering._.Takuanlol sanji fans r arguably the worst powerscalers
this issue extends beyond the one piece community and stretches to almost any fandom, especially when it comes to cross verse fights. i saw a vid where it was sukuna vs buggy, and even though if this fight was to be written by either author that sukuna would win (unless it was done as a gag), the wacky chains of scaling from measuring pixels from a fucking cartoon makes buggy the victor
Dragon Ball
One Piece
Jujutsu Kaisen
Naruto
The four horsemen of bad fandom powerscaling.
Wild part is op power scale isn't bad it's the fact that people outside the op fan base or fans who's fav anime is naruto constantly downplay op power refuse to acknowledge its growth because then other anime who use to be above it can't keep up
I mean with this example OP fans kinda have and excuse cause (idk about the Naruto manga, I only watched the anime) Kishimoto, Toriyama and Gege directly do powerscaling comparisons when mentioning feats and powerups and stuff . Especially Gege . Bro's always like this guys the fastest except for Gojo , Sukunas open domain is a divine feat , Gojo is the strongest of today well not rn but u know. Yuta is the 2nd strongest like that.
While Oda is pretty much stan lee and doesn't give a flying fck about powerscaling. Whatever the current plot or the big picture of the story as a whole desires to win will win.
@@charlesredd9619 I think op power scaling is like Saitamas cause the minute g5 came out people were saying luffy solos naruto both of them are at fault
@@charlesredd9619 its usually the opposite, the amount of videos of "pre-time skip Luffy beats Naruto and Ichigo" is insane. and post-time skip Luffy gets severely overplayed, "he dodged Kuma's lightspeed attack from a mile away! thats a MFTL feat!" or "gear 5 Luffy beats Goku due to toon force".
In-verse Dragonball scaling isn't THAT bad. Only Kid Buu > Super Buu and the new shit with Beerus are egregious.
Oda is a goat he powerscales by fame and reverse fame not power cuz they all has crazy abilities that counter the other
It’s a problem overall because it doesn’t matter what you say, or who you explain it to, someone is gonna run with their interpretations no matter what. Perfect example is Kidd when talking abt literally anyone. “We never see him use haki” “bum got 1 shot” “bum lost an arm to a commander” and so on. Yet the constant portrayal in oda’s writing is that kidd only loses to the strongest. He was Luffy’s rival preskip. His power is nothing to scoff at. Somehow he’s seen as this weak aah dude that ppl try to argue would lose to doflamingo, when he literally broke big mom’s arm without his awakening active. If he doesn’t use haki, he’s literally just physically strong enough to break big mom’s arm then. Who else is just that physically strong without haki?
I do think he loses to doflamingo though. Because some time passed since Dressrosa everyone assumes Doffy is some weakling now.
@@igiornogiovannahaveadream649
Doffy gets destroyed mid dif at best. Kidd has punk corna dio, an attack that both scared big mom, and broke her arm. And he has his awakening to both freeze doffy in place , and damned punk which barely anyone in the story could withstand. Doffy isn’t weak, but he is next to irrelevant to the current story since he is canonically weaker than cracker by a pretty significant margin.
Why do we need to predict the outcomes of hypothetical non-circumstancial fights when fictions are by design circumstancial?
6:31 😳nah i can't unsee it, what is law doing
🔥 vid
Big moms not slow she’s never been shown to be😂
Shes slow bruh.
@@animoments8969 She was going at it with Kaido for 3 days. The same Kaido that speed blitzed act 1 Luffy AND almost did again in the rooftop. He still grazed Luffy's forehead even when Luffy literally stood in one place and put all his focus into the future sight. She covers like 10 ft of a normal person with 1 of hers lol.
@@animoments8969 she’s literally not 😂 y’all just use that Franky thing like he didn’t come out of no where in the source material she’s stated fast
Legit have people think that the Chivalry Merchant can tango with Lucci
6:14 stop capping law mops the floor with zoro
Agenda Piece exist to make fun of powerscaling as it really come down to what Oda wants for the story.
This is a very good explanation on how Luffy was able to defeat Alabasta crocodile. Crocodile is definitely in tier above Luffy at that time. This also actually explained on why Crocodile look way more impressive in marineford than Luffy. Luffy was struggled against Mihawk while Crocodile seemed to handle Mihawk way better than Luffy.
When we actually go back and analyze things, even after Marineford Luffy defeating Crocodile is not thay big of a stretch like everyone makes it out to be and it's simple: Crocodile has trash durability and relied on intangibility of the fruit to survive and how op it was, specially in the desert. Once Luffy was able to touch him, his inhuman strenght was too strong for Croco
Even in Marineford, if you stop to think at what Croco did, nothing is much impressive. Even the "handling Mihawk" doesn't exist cause he just shoved away a basic slash aimed for Luffy with his hook and them Mihawk and him went after other people
Then he basically died to Doffy, if the latter decided to use Haki and had his attack stopped by Doffy's feet and managed to stop Alainu for 2 seconds via a sneek attack which did no damage but broke his concentration. I'm a MASSIVE Crocodile fan, but Crocodile is basically Caribou with better portrayal, more brains and charisma, or a bettee comparison: He's like Caesar Clown, very smart with an OP fruit and can wreak havoc in the perfect conditions but overall not as strong as many other around him(Though Croco surely got a buff in the timeskip)
Calling Queen more durable than Law is crazy when there is a direct comparison between their durability against Big Mom. A fresh Queen was KO'd by a hakiless and homiless base Big Mom instantly whereas an already injured Law was taking back to back armament punches from awakened Big Mom and still didn’t lose consciousness like Queen.
Law has better endurance
@@SuperiorI.Qlaw was fine
You mean to say chopper punches which made queen bleed >>>big mom's hakis punches
That's a literal gag scene@@parmar__12
@@Jusaguywithbrain mfer that's a feat not gag
He made him bleed
We not talking about queen clowning
@@Jusaguywithbrain
How the heck is that a gag scene?
Yup, mf’s actually believe Sabo is losing to King.
It’s literally so annoying like.. people gotta realize especially with, “top tier” are relative enough to where you can matchup characters in different ways since they have different abilities.. like mofos so annoying about shit😂
Superior I.Q can you do video on lucci slander since some of one piece community isn't giving props for his level of strength
Chapter 1 Luffy is stronger than Shanks because he beat the lord of the coast after it took Shanks' arm. Checkmate liberals.
People were saying Sanji low diffs kid because kid can’t even see Sanji move and I was like “ Kid fought 3 Yonko, what has Sanji done”, they said “Sanji just speed blitzes him gg”.
Yea
Worst fans are of sanji
Their entire argument is they can't touch sanji
When literally everyone had touched sanji
@parmar__12 istg they say ifrit can clash withvad coc
@@Naldinho456 🤣
@@parmar__12 and they will look at you 0 doubt on their mind too his a ussop victim
@@Naldinho456 fax
The méthode that the fans do to powerscale character is wrong, because some stats are irrelevant like speed, durability, and i don't know those stats, i mean one piece fights depend on attack potency and endurance, and the mentality like the will to fight and surpass, unless there is a big gap between two characters than its a different story, for example if zoro and sanji fought each other i think it will be a draw since the two can't bare losing to each other, even if it seems that zoro is slightly stronger, if a certain character can't one shott another than the outcome of the match still unclear
lowkey 1000%%% agree
laughed my ass off at 1:18 part 😭😭
i have seen people saying kid is faster than king, wci snakeman luffy just because kid was able to keep up with big mom who is a yonko, these guys said that " she is a yonko" so that automatically puts kids speed above these characters i have mentioned, i mean like how does that make any sense?, even explaining that " the big mom that kid and law fought was heavily nerfed" these guys still said " doesnt matter, she is still a yonko"
Nah, it's usually based on Big Mum keeping up with the same Kaido that blitzed WCI g4 Luffy and her outspeeding and choking hybrid Marko who was keeping up with King and blitzing Queen at the same time. I mean, if trying to find some feats based argumentation for such take, it should reffer to something like this moments.
power scaler with the name "superior IQ" ??
Basically Hakari beats way more people than Maki so he’s stronger even tho she claps his cheeks.
People need to stop using the point of luffy is vulnerable to slashes EVERYBODY IS VUNERABLE TO SLASHES. Shanks doesent break swords with his abs like I don’t get that point. Like if haki is infused it’s cutting even sanji or Kaido regardless
It's not mostly
Roger’s sword with ACOC breaks on contact with Sanji
@@royalfun1031 it is. Only time it’s not unless they have weaker haki than the person in question. Like Kaido is naturally resistant to slashes. But every human being in one piece isn’t not just luffy so people saying luffy is vunerable to slashes is dumb beacuse so is roger, zoro shanks, and whitebeard and Blackbeard and every human alive.
@@Buggy_DClown Bro what is this take 😂😂😂
This is good take Remember Sea king Bite Shanks arm And Roger is excecuted by nobody.
The great Foxy can only be defeated by Afro Luffy which means theoretically Foxy can beat Kaido no diff.
This not a theory its a fax
Kaido has not out to the beams 🗿
Ngl RUclips shorts of op power scaling might have the worse takes ever
RUclips polls are even worse
😂😂😂it was a 2v1 on big mom, those feats shouldn't count, I'm sure king and queen would've jacked up big mom in a 2v1.
Didn't Queen get 2 shotted by a BM that wasn't even in her right mind lol. Now I will say that Law and Kidd had crazy ass plot armor and Law had infinite durability with infinite stamina in the fight lol. But it is what it is.
Yeah the “they beat them in a 1v1” argument is weird because you have buggy vs mihawk…
Mihawk proceeds to use his godly presence to defeat buggy
I think ryou and acoc should be able to get Mihawk cause with them, U don't even have to touch to attack and the damage is cause from the inside . Plus Mihawk can always just knock Buggy the fck out with his fists lol
@@rand12389 my point is more so about the fact that 1v1 can cause upsets through specific weaknesses. A better example was probably enel vs luffy. At that point enel was stronger but had to fight the one guy with innate resistance to his powers. At the time enel was clearly stronger but luffy still won.
oh shit.here we go again
Kid=Law>Zoro>Sanji
Mihawk>Shanks
Big Mom>BB
Sabo>Zoro>=Yamato
WB>=Roger=Garp>Sengoku
Akainu>=Aokiji>Kizaru>Fuji>GB
Mihawk>Kaido>Shanks
🧌
Sanji>zoro 🔥
Every one u mentioned>>>>>>>>useless d mid
Sabo gets h8gh diffed by zori
A few corrections:
Kaido > Mihawk > Shanks
Yamato > Zoro > Sabo (undeserved wank)
@@Olavo_Primataare you serious 😭
The Kid & Law hype is wild Franky got better feats on Big mom than both of them Franky>>>>Kid&Law
Franky agenda is crazy
HAKI
ATTACK
DEFENSE
Compare your opponent based on these 3.
You will get your answer.
So basically if Mihawks title was earnt by defeathing Shanks (other contender for the title), this wouldndt imply him being actually stronger than Shanks. According to your logic in this video (which is right, Sanji vs Nami is perfect example). Of course we dont even know how mihawk got the title in the first place.
Basically, Enel was stronger than Luffy in Skypiea, but because of the matchup Luffy won. People in the community mistake that for Enel being weak.
Enel is weak tho he doesn't have speed to match the verse he called luffy "fast" and luffy's ap was enough to beat him so anyone with higher ap and speed than pres ts pre gears luffy should put a fight against him also enel had a decent match up he was using a trident too
@@Jusaguywithbrainwell almost right but they still need to be able to hit him most of enels strength comes from his lightning which can do a lot of damage sure somebody can have more ap than luffy but without a way to hurt him what can they do
@@Jusaguywithbrain enel is pretty much impossible to scale, due to the ambiguity of his fight vs luffy. if enel ever returns, oda has the luxury of being able to make him nearly as powerful as anyone that he wants, since he has been gone from the world for 2 years, as well as the actual narrative for over 2 decades (outside of cover stories)
Remember guys apoo one shot luffy post ryou training with access to future sight
Future sight doesn't work automatically tho so future sight doesn't count
@@rand12389 Chapter 980. After the first hit zoro said "here comes another one". Luffy said " I know" and then gets one shot by the attack
@@blacklevel9001 the attack is unavoidable
@@Naldinho456 The point isn't whether or not luffy could dodge it, the point is that apoo is weaker than luffy but is still able to one shot him.
Kid beating King is complete nonsense. Dude really thought he said something with that. Kid cant even get past his defense well. He "beat" big mom by ringing her out with Law's assist. Kid isnt actually a threat to Big Mom so that doesnt help hom agaonst King.
video is all over the place
W
King vs kid is to me matchup definition
Kid is stronger
But wins wins because of matchup
Someone gets it
@@SuperiorI.Qdaily reminder: papazuki's backshots go crazy
One piece scaling is ass the scalers are even worse
WTF. So kid is stronger than King but King wins becuase its a better match up and the proof that Kid is stronger is that King could not beat big mom? Geuss what neither could kid on his own. So either you just replace King with Kid and have law still there or push aside Law and have it a 1v1 kid vs big mom. And kid would get demolished.Also King dominated a pre acoc zoro who is stronger than pre awakwning kid and still stronger than awakned kid because last i checked kid isnt a zoan user who gets physically stronger with an awakening. Proof of that is hakai, zoro was the only one who could react to it and survived even tho even kid admitted that he would have died without zoro blocking it to give law the time he needs to teleport them. The thing is the premis in this video doesnt aplly in these matchups. Kid doesnt have a specific weaknees that makes him unable to ++use his full power king happens to use, King just has a kaido like durability even without Flames off(And kid did jack shit to kaido), in his flames off mode he is also faster than a pre acoc zoro who is faster than kid, Yes his ap is not shown very good but the fact that he has flames like magma should be enough to meld anything kid throws at him. I mean no one would say that King is stronger than zoro and he just got unlucky with the match up because zoro awakend acoc.(side note and not that relevant but i could also reverse this logic. Kid was portrayed better than king because kid had a better macht up agaisnt a big mom who let herself get hit by every attack he does and king had the misfortune to have to fight zoro who actually tried to not get hit by every attack) this sounds weird and its supposed to because thats the same logic. From whats blantanly shown king is above kid in every aspect but because of how the fight ended its kid stronger than king for some reason.
Brother, kid n law got these feats in a 1 vs 2 against Big Meme, who decided to go to the rooftop instead of finishing what she was supposed to do. anyone give me a panal where Law lands his awakening on nerfed Big Mom all by himself or against Blackbeard after he standed in front of Law with the knowlage of being aware that Law awakend his df. we saw what happend when both tried to exchange against Yonko's individuell, they got obliterated, n if people wanna say that Shanks cought him off guard, then what about nerfed BM being cought off guard multiple times in that 1 vs 2, and I say nerfed BM because it is a fact which even the biggest casuals see by now. Big Mom was not one time attacking kid or law with ACoC Infusion, which were so strong that she was able to match Base ACoC Kaido for three days even though BM literally older than him but she still manged to match Kaido sama haki for three days, and who knows maybe Kaido went even hybrid against her, and how it looked like they literally were matched each other's on equally footing since both come out of that battle without taking an L, so BM was in fact indeed fooling around with both of them. I mean it's even easy to point out when you actually look back at how overpowerd Big Mom Haki were, and then how much she infused her attacks with it against kid n law.
Never forget that base cabba can beat dbz vegito
100% agree & Kidd Gets Way Too Much Disrespect, I don't get it
People act like kids has no way of beating king at all lol , kid could hurt king with his flames on lol
I didnt watche the vidéo
But i agree with you cause one pièce power scaling is that bad
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Agreed do you think zoro can beat raylee or kizaru?
Zoro didn’t need to use ashura on king.
No
I don’t rlly think it’s that deep, luffy dodged lightning so he’s faster then lightning in skypiea, he maintains that speed until gear 2 where he then is around light speed, time skip does by he can dodg light casually in base, kizaru has to move faster then light to be relevant so everyone’s ftl rn
Luffy low diffs zoro in base
No
Zoro pushes base luffy to a extreme diff
So you are saying portrayal > feats ?
that is exactly what he is saying. portrayal is literally how strong the character is meant to be interpreted as within the story. For example, characters like rocks, shiki and kong have little to no feats, but due to their importance within the story and their PORTRAYAL, they are certainly hard hitters within the verse
@@upliftlizard1715 Yeah , when you have no feat , portrayal > feats obviously , because you only have that
However when you do have feats , its better to scale them
@@lordzo7758 i mean not really, since most feats will line up with portrayals it's usually not a problem, but portrayals are still more important since it is quite literally the intention behind the characters level of power and importance.
the best example is mihawk, lacklustre feats, but his portrayal is that of the strongest swordsman in the world, and there is a good chance that he is the strongest alive currently if you exclude unknowns like imu, but that is a lot more contestable
Ussop Jump First From Sky Island Than Kaido
That's Why Ussop Is Stronger
, law and king vs big mom. They wouldve made quick work of big mom like she wouldve been done way soon. Kid and king vs big mom and she most likely kills kid with king still fighting ... Thats why king is stronger then kid no matter how i look at it
What is French scaling
You don't want to know. According to some french:
-current Zoro is stronger than Mihawk. Zoro doesn't want to become the WSS anymore but he want to become the King of hell.
-Admirals are as strong as yonko commanders.
-Shiryu is stronger than Aokiji.
-Shanks can solo 3 Admirals.
@@donrog5035 Bro what in the brain rot is going over in france.
@@donrog5035man what are the French taking over there I want some
@@noot4041 Don't know man.😅
@@donrog5035 you I think I stumbled against a French who said zoro beats akainu
if u read jjk maki does beat hakari she has most durability n stamina plus he cnt use jackpot against her katana it will weaken his technique nd cause tic damage to where he cnt heal even in a domain people that talk ab jjk do not take everything said into factor nd make biased claims yet gege wrote maki as a integral piece to defeating sukana as well nd not hakari from wha we have seen
yes but gege has also portrayed Hakari as one of the heavy hitters of the main cast and was therefore delegated the role of defeating uraume on his own. he literally said in the video that maki would counter hakari, due to him being reliant on his domain, but that doesn't mean shes stronger than him (quite the opposite considering all of the statements saying that hakari=yuta>maki). Saying that maki is stronger than hakari is like saying skypeia luffy is stronger than enel just because he counters him
Fighting is more complicated than who can hit harder or who beat up the stronger person. I agree with you but I don't really agree with your examples mainly because law or kid didn't one v one big mom or kaido plus you can have specific states and still be weaker overall. Like kid and law have higher attack power than Sanji sure but overall that's the only thing I can give them and maybe endurance but speed and durability definitely go to Sanji because they're not tanking a sword no haki and they're not taking fish man karate because they have human bodies but by how much of a gap we may never know. As a final note these characters will never be drastically stronger than each other unless the story demands it. It's a story and sometimes things will be placed purely to limit ones ability so the stories interesting for instance gear 5th not only being extremely draining but also making Luffy extra silly. Otherwise Luffy wouldn't really have a challenge. At the end of the day who can kill who is a bad way of judging because buggy can kill kaido by simply coming up with a way to get kaido in the water but no one is seriously saying buggy is stronger than kaido.
Sanji is absolutely stronger than Law lol. Don't start getting ridiculous now.
So is sanji faster than kaido ?
Kaido blitzes him
I've been saying this for ages now
"He wins so he's stronger" is stupid
Just like the example you used,sanji definitely beats law,law has nothing he can do against sanji
But law is still the stronger one
And sanji can't even touch boa,but he's still stronger than her
If Zoro and sanji were to fight against aokiji, they'd put up a better fight than kidd and law
But kidd and law are still stronger than both of them
What do you mean by kid and law being stronger than zoro and sanji if you think zoro and sanji defeats law and kidd majority of the time as they have better haki and physical stats and Zoro even has better feats than kid and comparable to law and they also have better match up so how did you come up with that claim... Just a genuine question