Dee Kosh Charged For Sexual Exploits | The Daily Ketchup Podcast
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There's much to consider for Dee Kosh's case.
His personal content on YT had quite a number of videos just shitting on other people. For example, top idiots of < insert year> and the Eden Ang case?
Naturally, when you take that high moral ground, you also set that kind of standards on yourself. Be judged as you have.
If I was in a position where a friend of mine commits a similar crime and is found guilty or he admitted it to me, I would advise him to get legal assistance, plead guilty for the crimes he committed and serve the punishment. Why?
Moral values over loyalty. The friendship remains only if he accepts the consequences of his actions.
Also, I surround myself with friends of similar values. There are certain lines that you don't cross no matter what.
If he was a true friend and had the tendency to gravitate towards minors when it comes to sexual activities, he should have seek help or confided in his friends. To get support as friends and gone for therapy.
Would any of his really close friends, like Ryan, stand by him IF the victims of the alleged crimes were committed on friends of theirs, or relatives and not strangers? Would the reaction be the same if Dee Kosh was straight and engaged in paid sexual services from FEMALE minors? What happens if he had paid sex unknowingly with someone (Minor) who is related to you? Would the reaction be the same?
Wouldn’t make any difference if the victims were female imo.
@@okbutatwhatcost9087 true, it shouldn't make a difference. but ngl, I think society itself wouldn't hv naturally placed as much of an emphasis if it wasn't for females.
@@okbutatwhatcost9087 Was trying to point out that the uproar would be way louder if the victims were females. Sex crimes towards men tend to be more played down.
Preach
very well said. i think the severity of the situation has been extremely downplayed which is quite frankly concerning to see; not to mention the hoards of supporters deekosh still has (plus friends who have huge presence and influence).. can’t imagine if this is all true and just delaying the process of the victim getting justice.
i mean, as a friend obviously you would not expect the person to commit such heinous acts so to me it’s quite clear? that once this is out “you are not who i became friends with” is my thought process. it would be a straightforward “cut you out of my life” for me. rly if this is true and dk’s close friends knew about it though.. all my respect for them (as well as my views and interaction with their content) gonna disappear.
Not that anyone asked but, at this point though i have no sides (as it’s not confirmed yet) i must say i cannot support dk just to keep in my mind that the victim is definitely someone who is in a position of less power. always of the mentality believe the victim first, as i can’t imagine how hard it must be to fight this battle.
Nice to see a level headed person in the comments section. Sorry for the long comment lol. have a good day
I like how the flow is, no awkward pause. Best local podcast team ever, keeping it up
even a fellow malaysian here has to agree!
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Could be edited out ? So idk?
I wouldn't be their friends anymore. It just doesn't align with my morals to be friends with a person or people who are sexual predators to young teens or children or even anyone who isn't a minor. If that said friend(s) is/are able to do such heinous crimes behind our back and hides it for such a long time, who's to say that their behaviours throughout our friendship have been genuine? Sexual predators are mostly manipulative and cunning.
In the best case scenario, its best that a friend can still remain as a friend to a person that is charged/convicted of a crime.
But real life isnt like that, we pick our friends base on their moral standards/codes, their life choices and everything about them. The crime will definitely affects the friendship to some extend. Its really up to you, as a person, as that person friend, to decide if what he did made any changes to the relationship you guys have, because everyone’s level of acceptance are different.
Don't really get Denise "calling of police" comment. I think she doesn't really understand the question posed to her. This is already a case of police having completed their investigations, and the AGC having decided to press charges based on the evidence they have. So the question is: at this stage, would you stick with your friend / distance yourself from him / denounce him?
yea agreed, kinda broke a lil flow there.
Neither . She will call the police... 🤣🤣🤣
She trying too hard to sound intellectual lol
@@wonderbuffon yes, very hard....she obviously trying to think of something intellectual to say but cant.
@@TaeNy35v yea lucky she not your friend , if you throw a piece of tissue on the floor, she will immediately call the authorities.
at roughly 13 minutes in the video, Denise mentioned "its 1 for 1, saving alot but only murdering one". So this reminded me of this particular story in webtoon called Friday - Forbidden Tales, it's episode 40 of it. (author is Jae Bin Soo) So there's this character who goes out of his way to do good deeds, just because he wishes to take someone's life after all that. Fucked up-ness aside, I personally think it boils down to the intention of the individual committing the "bad" act. If someone is intentionally doing good to make up for the bad he's gonna do then wouldn't it be an instant no-no? If it was an accident I believe said person could be allowed forgiveness. just a food for thought.
I feel like if you do something good, it doesn’t gives you any authority to do something bad.
Ppl will think that they do one good thing = he can do one bad thing.
We should always strive to do something good without having the mindset of expecting something in return, then that’s the true definition of doing a good act.
Hm…in my opinion, people who know about it and post about hanging out with the aggressor as per usual etc. just shows that sexual assault/exploitation isn’t a dealbreaker to them in friendships. On the point that John mentioned he would try to talk with his friend on how to lighten the charges, I feel like that’s not being fair to the victim. If someone did something wrong, the first step to changing is being held accountable and acknowledging the harm they’ve done. We can’t just “give someone a second chance” if they keep being defensive or even tried to get their friends to cover up for them by lying to them (as mentioned in the video), I feel it doesn’t show remorse or the desire to change. If we really wanted to be a good friend, we should want them to change for the better, and that includes letting them face the repercussions. If we keep showing support and try to downplay what happened, we aren’t promoting change at all. And it’s not our place to forgive the aggressor either, because we aren’t the victim(s).
Lighten the charges doesnt mean no charge at all. He still will be accountable on the harms he have done. Mainly, outside of the law, he is a pedophile in the eyes of the public and media. Unlike most people who did suchs offense without the public knowing who the person is and only serve sentence. This alone is considered one of his biggest punishment which definitely serve as a reminder for himself and everyone that knows him. As a friend, as long as your friend get charged on his own wrong doings, I would certainly be fine. You should know going to jail doesnt stop him from doing it again the future, the one that will remind him is mainly public and media. He should be feeling ashamed even showing his face on public. but that wont stop me being friend if I find my friendship is precious.
theres nothing wrong with knowing that your friend did something wrong but still wanting to get the best outcome for them.
@@nathan-ls8yw “Something wrong” is vague. Stealing is wrong but so is murder. Lying is wrong but so is sexual harassment or assault. There are varying degrees of moral and social acceptance when it comes to different “wrongdoings” and it’s up to us to decide; which is why I said when someone openly hangs out w known predators or continues to be around them without acknowledging the harm they’ve caused to me just means sexual harassment/assault isn’t a dealbreaker to them in friendships. Isn’t that what you’re saying as well - that it’s not a dealbreaker for you?
@@MrMuhdyazid1143 I see your point in saying that pressure from social media and the judgment from the general public is a form of punishment and I can’t speak on the behalf of all victims, but I’m sure that when they lodge a police report, they’re hoping for legal justice. By “lightening the charges”, it could paint an inaccurate image of the crime to the public, which could dilute the victim’s statement. We can care for our friends and want to hold them accountable at the same time. However, it’s a personal choice which is why I mentioned in my original comment that it just means it’s not a dealbreaker to you. We all have different dealbreakers in friendships/relationships anyway.
Regarding the discussion of whether saving 1000 lives can compensate for ending 1 life, from a societal perspective, in my opinion, it is more important to punish the act of ending 1 life than to say that the good can compensate for the bad. As John said, if it is not punished by the law this means the law has no meaning or purpose. Plus the punishment acts to show that the law tries to calm the anguish of the people of the victim. Humans psychologically tend to feel more strongly about losses than gains. Hence, not many will feel that strongly for your merits but many will feel very strongly about your misdeeds. Also, it is important to note recency bias, if the wrongful action is more recent than the merit, people will tend to focus on that wrongful action more than past merits. If the government does not punish, those that feel wronged may feel betrayed and won't trust the government. This, in turn, may increase the likelihood for them to take things into their own hands, and in the long term may increase the likelihood of crime rates.
literally choked on my food at John's COURTS comment
THE WAY NO ONE LAUGHED OMG
underrated talk show. some sponsors need to come in.
hmm i kinda dun quite enjoy something when it becomes too driven by a profiting cause. but I understand that is a very pragmatic need. maybe can have sponsors but keep its emphasis to an acceptable level and keep away potential conflict of interest.. just my 2 cents worth of opinion and love for this wonderful channel.
i really enjoy the dynamics of the conversation in most of the episodes so far..
Damn such a dilemma, but I stand with JC. But I will need the friend's word that he or she will not do it again, and seek professional help. Grouping someone as bad or good is so easy, but everyone is in the grey area... If you single out Dee Kosh's crime (or alleged) and let it define his entire personality, no doubt many would classify him as fucked up. But his friends know him as a whole, perhaps there are other characteristics that were able to compensate even such a messed up act.
Great video yall!
I always believe we all need to pay for the choices we make, friend or not. But, I will not distance myself from my friend that probably needs a listening ear. Saying that, I will never condone an act that needs to be punished. If by stating where I stand, my friend decides to distance himself, then I will let it be.
I would want my friends to be there for me as I pay for my sins. Consequences to all our actions
Jon Paul's comment about the boys being complicit to the acts also don't hold water. Being minors, they are (in the eyes of the law), not being capable of giving consent.
Also, flawed argument with having to balance one's charitable deeds with a wrongdoing. Extrapolating his arguments would empower good samaritans to carry out "lawful" and wilful breaches of the law based on their previous accumulated goodwill.
Daniel and John changed positions... not used to it....lol
Yes hahaha it felt so weird!
same here
Omg so true
if AGC proceed with the charge, it usually means they have enough evidence to convict. Especially in Singapore. 🙄
Yuup.
laugh in the doctor molest case
Denise actually has values.
The only one who has. Girls are just better people generally
@@DeezNuts-zy5ci you just contradicted your sentence by being sexist. Seriously do you fuckers actually listen to what you say?
It's not about loyalty. Friends are choices, where you, from a personality standpoint, from a moral standpoint clicks with that person. If he/she is maligned, fine stand by him. If it's true, what is stopping you from distancing yourself. If you know a stranger is a pedophile, would u be friends with him or her? No. The same standard applies for existing friends, because they are an extension of who you are.
i like the balanced perspectives candidly put out in this ep. Frankly I don’t think we can fault anyone for choosing to stand by their morals/ friends and it’s not an easy choice either way. in the best case scenario we would wna choose both but in reality it’s much harder?!?
Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.
Saint Augustine
Denise seem to be a friend who will abandon her friend .. she will literally call the police to arrest her friend eventhough her friend is already in jail... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol😂
Question from JP was: if your friend confessed a crime to you what would you do (police is not privy yet).
And I explained that if it were sth serious like rape/murder I would encourage them to turn themselves in or I’d call the police. If it was something small like stealing, I wouldn’t. On top of that, if the crime were committed looooong before, and I know that the person has grown since then, I’d not call the police either.
Being a friend is not condoning his actions. It is about being there for him when he needs you.
No because it says a lot about you to still keeping someone like that as a friend.
@@ashashraa6579 if that friend is regretful n repentant of his past actions n promises to turn over a new leaf??
@@jen5138 why ? Deekosh didnt gave others a chance when they got into trouble so why should we give him?
Deekosh always create video of himself poking his nose into someone issues and further shaming the people involved when its none of his mistake?
When things "backfired", deekosh always pull the victim card saying why internet so "toxic" when he is one of the "toxic".
And he actually got away many times but not this times when all his victim stand tgt against deekosh preying on underaged boys.
agreed
remember his white knight moment when he allegedly found out about the "nasi lemak tele group" case. LOL
I've asked the same question myself before.. If a person committed something frowned upon like stealing, as their significant other, how would they take the news if they know what their partner did.. But going back to the topic discussed in this episode, as a friend of the person that was charged, I would scold him/her till the end but at the same time be there by their side when they need someone. If they admit to what they did was wrong and is willing to make things right, I would be there. If the person refuse to change nor acknowledge anything, then that's it.
Morals over loyalty. I think its a bad comparison made. I would stand with my friend and help him throughout the whole process if he admit that he did or did not do it and come clean to us. And just be there for him and whatever help he needs. But that doesnt mean it compromised morals or my value system. We disagree to the action done but we could still be there as a friend to help whatever he need or discuss what the best to do.
But if in the first place he didnt come clean, theres an element of lying, then yea i wouldnt. But I would asked for an explanation.
For those who say, everyone makes mistakes… I respectfully and vehemently disagree… there are some acts that are just heinous and premeditated.. he knew what he was doing and he knew he was in a position of power and influence to influence and take advantage of these minors.. there are some “mistakes” that don’t deserve forgiveness if they’re rightfully convicted of the offence. Regarding his apologies, look at the manner in which he apologized…he first tried to disregard any accusations made against him before backtracking and then saying that “some” allegations were true … that only tells me that he was only sorry for getting caught…and for the acts themselves
14:14 "But we already understand that the world is not working for the greater good right."
totally agree on that
I think the level of forgiveness towards the sin done by your friend is depending on the level of harm it does to you. So if it doesn’t possess any immediate threat to me nor others close to me, it will be easier for me to stand by him as a friend. Providing the fact that he does not repeat the offense to lose my respect.
I think i will try to understand my friend, why and how desperate he is to do this... Or is it because someone in the past treated him like how he treat his victims
There is always a line to where you tell upon someone. If my friend killed someone, I would advice him to go to the cops or I would.
If my friend were to park his call illegally, I wouldn’t bat an eye. Though both are illegal, but it’s the context that matters.
Standing by DeeKosh would be the right thing to do, because he is still innocent until proven guilty.
i wouldn’t, i’ll just give him my advice on how to get off the charge and also the number to either my lawyer or a lawyer that is able to help him go free.
This podcast is criminally underrated.
Stop saying “call police” the question was so simple, “would you still be his/her friend?” nothing to do with call police 🤦🏻♂️
If I knew they were guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt, I would report them to the police and hand over any evidence I have. To not do so would make you an accessory to the crime in the eye of the law.
Also, no amount of good you provide to the world should put you above the law.
my support for my friend is conditioned on whether he is repentant and sorry and willing to make amends. If he's like that, I will stand by him and support him.
I believe that one day John can say the intro just like Daniel hahahhahaha
Daniel and Jon have switched places!! This is messing me up!
a dilemma that’s amplified by the fact that these are influencers… if deekosh and ryan didn’t have the cultural capital that they yield then choosing to stand by a friend probably would not be this tricky to navigate 😕 personally I think people that commit crimes (even those of sexual exploitation) need a path for recourse that cannot be paved without the support and help of friends and family. Maybe just don’t publicly show support?
I love the content you guys put out, it balances both jokes and actually being serious VERY WELL. Looking forward to more videos!
I’m really enjoying these insights!
Also here for the ALGORITHM
Doesn't matter how good your good is but how bad your bad is
17:50 was my fav part.
If my friend is a pedo, I will loose respect for him. Once the respect is lost, naturally i will not want to contact him and the friendship will die a natural death.
Agreed with John. Allegations + charge does not mean guilty.
Not a fan of Dee Kosh but still got to wait for court judgement
Agree
If u did one wrong all the goods will be erased and this is reality
The question is have u never make mistake b4? to err is human. we grow from our mistake
I wonder if john says he would continue to be friends because the crime is not personal to him. If he had a young son, would he still hold onto this friendship? No parent in their right mind would continue a friendship with a pedophile. Loyalty means nothing if it isn't to the same extent mutually tbh
Hmm John and Dan swooped seats :D from a regular viewer and fan 😊
For me, its morals *and* loyalty. I will stand by DK as a person, and guide him to change with good morals.
cannot. I'll call polis. I don't think I can be friends who'd exploit any power imbalance between themselves, a full grown adult, and a minor, for their own desires.
I think the general public would inevitably view Dee Kosh's actions / allegedly criminal acts through the spectre of him previously exposing wrongdoings of other celebrities, like Eden Ang with lots of vitriol.
@Alexandria School of Science yes indeed, how ironic!
Have ppl forgotten about Yellow Ribbon Project where we give people a second chance? I mean yes, many are disgusted by Dee Kosh's act but to those who are arguing over why his friend should not support him, like why? If his family/friends dont provide him the support, who is? The lot of u that are crucifying him for the crimes he did? How is he gonna change for the better if thats the case?
P.S. I'm not trying to speak up for Dee Kosh as i've never liked him as a person, but can we ever be a gracious society if all we do is judge and cancel someone for his/her past? How do we expect these ex-convicts to become better members of the society if all they receive is hate?
Hm…in my opinion, people who know about it and post about hanging out with the aggressor as per usual etc. just shows that sexual assault/exploitation isn’t a dealbreaker to them in friendships. On the point that John mentioned he would try to talk with his friend on how to lighten the charges, I feel like that’s not being fair to the victim. If someone did something wrong, the first step to changing is being held accountable and acknowledging the harm they’ve done. We can’t just “give someone a second chance” if they keep being defensive or even tried to get their friends to cover up for them by lying to them (as mentioned in the video), I feel it doesn’t show remorse or the desire to change. And it’s not our place to forgive the aggressor either, because we aren’t the victim(s).
The reason yellow ribbon failed is because people who support cancel culture exists.
I need John's help to grow that fancy man bun. intro leh! I've said this before but I want to be John's friend. Similar values, very accepting, broad minded and magnanimous.
Can someone explain why Jon and Denise were laughing at 1:45 😂
Thats why this quote exists'People would not see the good thing but only see the bad thing' ..
A lot of great points and angles considered here. Thanks for putting forth a balanced discussion on life and people. Appreciate it. We are all human, and we all make mistakes. ❤🙏🏻 More importantly, we learn and we grow (hopefully).
Not an expert, but i think some crimes require you to tell the police upon finding out, otherwise you can potentially be considered an accomplice. So it can be a bit dangerous to use crimes as pod cast examples and give wrong advice to the audience.
I remembered a few years back when social justice was really ramping up all over the internet, Dee Kosh appeared unusually distraught on twitter at times. Almost as if he had something guilty to hide but yet written to seem vague and trivial as if it were to come to him it would be a non issue overreaction. But the tweets persisted for sometime, it felt like a failed vibe-check somehow not quite the same as the self awareness of reactionary social justice like youtubers such as Linsay Ellis, it truly felt like whatever he was afraid of being cancelled of was definitely worse than what he was alluding to in his posts. I haven't looked at Dee Kosh for a while in the last year though and suddenly here i am with this video popping up on my auto play
This is actually such an interesting talkshow like with valid pointers and views! Look forward for more topics!!
i'm really loving the podcasts. the topics and how it deviates to other topics as well, esp the discussion on morally grey areas or social conundrums. it's also a big plus that u guys know how to bring levity to the situation as well so it's not necessarily all doom and gloom or being super serious. good job guys~
You can still be a friend while doing the right thing. A friend tht ditches you when you need them most isn't a friend at all. I won't waste time with friendships that will cut me off when I'm in a dire situation n need support most. Anyone can be a "friend" at your best moments, who sticks with you at your worst is the one tht counts and for that, i respect ryan,. That being said, it does not mean as a friend, I'd blindly support my friend. If I have to. I will even call the cops myself but I will be there to help guide my friend to turn over a new leaf while he/she faces the consequences n reflects on past actions.
That guy talk so much on Eden Ang's case (which also was not convicted) and then now how does he expect other to treat him when he got charged?
The remark on mental issue being a present excuse is quite true and relevant up to date!
I love you guys cover all sorts of topics. Is really very fun to watch! Wish I can interact with them one day ! 🤣
the friendship remains if & only if he or she acknowledges their crimes & accepts the consequences/carry out their sentence.
period.
End of the day, is that person repenting? To err is human, don’t just walk away from your friend just bcos he make a mistake. A person should be given a second chance. Unless, he repeatly and continue his deeds
Well done guys, having a intellectual discussion. Totally enjoyed how deep your minds are.
For a moment, I thought John succeed in making the iconic intro … “This is your DAI.. ly ketchup.” 0:17 :D hahaha turns out it is still Dan :D
Wowwwww this is really serious
Unpopular opinion but i feel like the commentators touched base with many pov and random examples. Points were all other the place and i question the relevance to the argument/topic.. Povs were superficial and expected...
If all wrong can be argued, then the law and enforcement cannot be in place. That will be more chaotic without all these guideline if everything can be argued thru.
Why Jon and Dan switch place?
Whether any one stay with their friends who committed a mistake is none of our business. They have their reasons to stay or not to stay. Just like I may have my reasons to stay or not if this happens to me. Most important is for the mistake to be trialed and paid for.
DENISE APPROVES!
Not making the same mistake does not make him a different person. Some criminals especially opportunistic ones will always apologize when caught but it doesn't change who they are. Is just that in future he would be more careful and if he is going to do it again, he would need to cover all tracks. Only through the test of time may tell if he can truly turn over a new leaf.
I would still be a friend, and not paotoh him, at least not immediately.
If i were to find out my friend has a sexual relations with a minor: firstly, tell him it's wrong. He could be in denial that what he did was not wrong which may be due to him telling me the minor was a willing party. But the problem here is, my friend is a fully-grown adult, so he has the capacity to think how society would perceive of him if this was revealed? Would he be comfortable with that and still think that what he did was okay and acceptable? I'd try to explain to him on why this is wrong and advise him to stop, and if he still can't comprehend, then i think as a friend (who wants to guide him on the right path), i'd give him the ultimatum. I personally think that, would he really rather give me up (a true friend that stand by him) over a minor (for sexual satisfactions)? This wouldn't make sense to me and if my friend would rather lose me, then there is really nothing else that i can do.
Even if he don't think that was he did was wrong (to engage sexually with a minor), he should just stop this in any case. I'd give him a timeline for him to think through and put a stop to whatever he was doing (say 1 month from our said conversation). If the minor was a willing party (i'd trust my friend's word if he claimed so), then i wouldn't pursue it further. I would probably try to keep advising that this is wrong to be with a minor but if he still do not want to stop and can't see where this entire thing is wrong, I'd slowly distance myself from him because i simply just can't be a true friend to someone who don't want to stop this whole "sexual relation with minor". Same as John, i don't think i could continue seeing my friend in the same light and have the same respect i had for him as a friend. Which is why ultimately, i'll still choose to eventually distance myself if my friend really could not see whatever he did was wrong.
But if i were to find out that the minor was being manipulated and was actually unwilling, I would then probably reach out to the minor's parents if i could, or the authorities. I'd definitely not want to reach that point though, as i see him as a friend that i cherish so hopefully, he can see where i'm coming from after my advices. Of course, it's the best if he thought it through and put a stop to everything.
I think that anyone can make a good friend, but that does not make him a good person in other ways as a human. In any case, i think i'd distance myself or stop being friends if my friend were to refuse to admit that he is wrong, or worst is that he do not wish to stop. But if he admitted guilty and turned over a new leaf, i don't see why we can't remain as friends.
It’s not easy to come clean as a perpetrator… for anyone who is deep in the rut, they’ll empathise. Again, not condoning, but it’s too easy for bystanders to take the higher moral ground because you assume you’ve not committed any crime or obliged the rules?
If my friend did something bad i would just report to the police. Lol get them lock up
Well Dee Kosh, its the time now to know who are your real friends. That goes the same to us. I’ve experience this before so I want to share it with everyone out there.
We may have 100 happy clappy friends, but to find 1 or 2 among them who are ready to share our hardship? Most unlikely…
15:35 that kid is all fukked, he should have attempted to pressed charges as early as when he was already old enough to comprehend like 18 years old, but no, friggin idiot try to sue the band now that he is already a young adult, its clearly for the money eh. Court there will definitely dismiss that case due to how absurd it is
Pls do a sharing on Afghanistan and US retreating. The debate was a US military service dog managed to get a seat on the flight back, leaving people who desperately need a seat on the plane. Would u save the service dog or give up a seat to save the person live(s)?
With law being said, it's also about setting precedent,/ common law.
Example: You save 10 person, and kill 1 person
and the court sets this person free
The precedent will turn into an entitlement to "so long you save 10 person, you are allow to kill 1 person"
But oh well, in the end we are all humans
important point to discuss is whether
1. he know the person he engage with is minor ?
2. minor cheated as 18 ?
*loyalty outweighs a lot things.
love this! keep up the good work
If my friend came clean and not lie like Dee Kosh I’d help the friend. Hate the Sin not the sinner. I’d expect my friend to change though, since it involved minors. I’ve no tolerance for that kind of thing.
First time viewer, the opinions are very interesting. thank you. i will report them, will distance myself as a friend.
A crime is a crime. Innocent till proven guilty. Are we teaching the younger kids that these crimes Dekosh did is ok??? What the point of talking?
u nv watch right lol
Great Work. Keep up the good content guys!
Finally guilty as charge.
I think I would agree with Jon because I would do that too. This is also because we all can make mistakes and it's scary honestly. That's all but then again, I've never been in such situation so I wouldn't know.
Love this topic very real fun n professional
to be completely honest if i had a friend who was a predator and even if they've done it years ago i'd still want to hold them accountable. they may have learned from it but i'll have to be in the shoes of the victim. if i was the victim and the harassor wasnt charged or convicted, i wouldnt feel good about letting my harassor walk free because there's a slight chance they may come back years after to repeat the same thing again since they knew no actions were taken and probably nothing will happen to them if they repeated it again. i think about the victims more than the criminal because the criminal will only live in guilt when convicted for years whereas the victims will need to undergo therapy (depending on the case) and suffer through the horrifying experience again and again in their head.
- for the rest of their lives
would i want to be his friend/supporter bc i know hes struggling too? yeah sure. but i dont think i could ever truly be a friend to him. but then again, i could never trust him again, my morales and conscience would weigh heavily on my heart every time i meet him.
Denise.....what a contradiction.......yesterday and 5 years ago.......
On the topic of “does the bad override all the good that you do?”. Also note that we are different jurisdiction (country) but somewhat same legal system. my opinion (law student), if you do bad you will / must kena punish. if its an offense under the law, then you must follow what the law says. but the law also takes into account (for certain offences especially more serious offences) of the intent/ motive of committing the said offence, previous history, etc. and when it comes to punishment, there’s a range of punishment that accompanies the specific law in regards to an offence. not necessarily maximum imprisonments. sometime just a couple years with the addition of bail.
I think the way he may have done it was subtle so socially among friends it could be kind of disregarded as something acceptable. Like a lot of vices are acceptable to a friend circle. Thats why they stuck by him I think. His social influence outweighed the fact that those were serious crimes to friends even if he is publicly condemned.
If the crime was like theft, or simple mischief, sure I can be friends. But if it's already play in moral point of human society, I don't think I can be friends anymore. It's like they are smiling with you but at the same time do all those thing, don't you feel weird meh?
Yeah especially when if older and all have kids, I wouldn’t feel safe with him alone with my kids and wondering what kind of eyes he’s looking look at them with…
Which says a lot of treating/keeping him as a “friend”
nope i wouldn’t feel weird at all, loyalty triumphs all.
If the "greater good" outweighs the moral values, then in a fictional storyline, Thanos should have been rewarded for killing half the universe because the remaining half would get to live a better life. So does that justify his actions?
Ultimately, it depends on each individual’s definition/interpretation of “greater good”. No mantra or jurisdiction stated that wiping out half the universe would allow the remaining half to live better lives. That was simply Thanos’ own definition/interpretation of the greater good. It isn’t representative of the “greater good” perceived by everybody else. Anyway, in the specific context of this example, it was clearly bogus in the majority’s eyes. So there’s that.
I think punishment for wrongdoing and reward/incentive for good deeds are 2 very separate issues. Neither can compensate for the other. good deeds won't make the wrong any less wrong, and more punishment does not make the person any more right. (and if guilty, leniency isn't about doing past good, but more about showing potential to be corrected)
in the case of "alleged", I'll reserve taking a side because he isn't proven guilty. the offense to the friendship only comes when he claims innocent, but is proven guilty, then that is a breach of trust. Forgiveness is a separate issue.
I'm more interested in thoughts about what happens in the case that he is proven not guilty. I like the question about how would he recover because obviously his following won't magically reappear, and now he has a "dodgy" public figure reputation (he is innocent by law, but how did he get in a situation like that in the first place, that's dodgy). How to compensate for loss of growth, or even harder to quantify, loss of "potential" future growth?
Depends if you consider you friend to be a close or best friend or just a friend? . A friendship does not just exist but grows as well. How can a Friend grow if we do not tell the truth about his mistakes and habits? Calling out each other for each others bad actions and habits helps the friendship to grow and improve for better not for the worse I guess. If you hide your friend's bad habit underneath what is your friend thinks it is still ok to commit that bad habit act what if, you friend does that bad habit again in the future? Ryan from Night owls cinematics has forgiven Dee kosh. Maybe a question to ask in a friendship are you a true friend or a fake friend?
But at the same time there must be a reason why ur charged. Police not so free. There is some clear evidence against you thats why ur charged
Being a friend is to stand by the person without compromising your morals.