A Big Disappointment Rosa Galleria Fieldtest
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Did you have a totally different experience with Rosa Gallieria watercolors? Let me know down in the comments!
Rosa Galleria Fieldtest
These activate SO readily- you don't need to preactivate them at all, and a little really goes a long way with these, the opposite of all the other paints in the Student Grade Showdown. They do pollute the water fast, but I think it’s bc the paint tends to glob up on the brush quickly, so just be careful about color control.
I feel like these are drying kinda desaturated compared to how dark they are when applied. I also feel like maybe I’m seeing a bit of scaling with wet into wet blends.
It’s sorta strange, but with these, it almost feels like I’m painting on a hotpress, rather than Stonehenge coldpress. They just don't really wanna move a whole lot.
So sadly, once you add some water, these desaturate fast, and you lose a lot of color. I just can’t quite build up color the way I want to. They also tend to reactivate and move, and they cloud the lineart, so I’ll need to reink
So far, these just aren’t holding up as well as I had really hoped they would, but this isn’t over yet.
I’m really having difficulty getting the color I want, mainly with achieving nice greens using the blues and yellows. I ended up layering sap green on top of it, to get a better green. Generally Pthalo+cool yellow makes such a lovely green.
These also go down sorta opaque, so even if in past layers, you’ve built up some nice shading, glazing kinda ruins that, so grisaille isn’t a good technique with these
It’s just kinda hard to get these to do what I want them to do, which is surprising, bc they had a lot of promise. The fact that they desaturate so much as they dry is probably the biggest issue- the desaturation and the opacity are a bad combination
So these are definitely better than the Miya, but not as good as I’d hoped, and it might just be a personal issue? Like a combination of my paper, and me and how I like to paint just doesn’t work with these paints?
I really don’t love how lifting and reactivating these are- it makes them really prone to bleeding out into other colors, and impossible to glaze over certain segments (like with a plaid) bc the underlayer just melts.
For this illo to look up to my usual standard (if it’s even possible, I’m going to have to do a lot of cleanup with watercolor pencils and gouache.
Pros and Cons:
Pros:
Whole pans- the paint lasts a lot longer bc you’re getting more of it
Easier to get your brush into the whole pans as well
Quick activation- no need to preactivate
Good color selection- every color in this palette has its place, although! The two cool reds are kinda similar, and the burnt sienna and Venetian red are really close.
Cons:
These dry so desaturated, it really takes awhile to build up color
But also? These are all kinda opaque, so you really can’t rely on like wet into wet and grisaille and layering techniques to build up color
Because colors dry muddy and desaturated, it makes the work look more amateur than it should
Verdict:
This set really isn’t that bad for a student grade set- I’ve definitely reviewed a lot worse- but it’s still not as good as the Superior folding palette and the Meiliang pigments set. I definitely think this set is for someone- I also didn’t really like the White Nights 12 piece set, and people seem to love that set, so this might be a matter of use and taste in this instance. As an illustrator and comic artist who loves lots of layers, setting the mood with grisaille, and building up saturation, and as someone who paints tiny faces where muddiness is more noticeable, I have to say this set isn’t as good a fit for me as I had hoped.
For me, these drying as desaturated as they dry (it’s a pretty drastic color shift with mixed colors) is frustrating and kinda a deal killer, because it just desaturates my art in a way that I can’t fight.
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Unfortunately, my music notes have been lost to the sands of time. Huge apologies- this happened to a batch of videos and is not going to become a regular thing.
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I found exactly the same issue with a Schminke set I bought that leaned heavily on cadmium colours. You need transparent colours for your techniques, something like Sennelier or Maimeri would be perfect. Especially as you are layering yellow over blue, which is not a true grisaille technique, but just uses some of those principles. Rosa does do some other yellows that are not so opaque. It does not make Rosa less professional quality, rather that they are more suitable for specific techniques than others. Colour and pigment choice really is hugely important. The Rosa oranges are not so strong, so mixing your own is a better choice. In fact your orange is neutralising because of the blue underneath. Every brand has its own characteristics. And so does each pigment. I really hated schmincke because of the colour choices in the set I got, I wanted to run back to Sennelier and just abandoning them. Once I tweaked the pigment choice to my own needs I loved them. This IMO is why being brand specific is less useful to the serious artist. Being pigment specific is a far better way to build a palette. Looking for the best pigments for your needs rather than sticking to one ready made set. Pretty sure you know this already!
Rosa does a LOT of different pigment selection in their preselected boxes. Mine is not this set, it is the Modern set, to which I have added other pigments of my choice. So for the price they are still good value and buying them open stock is also a better option. They are definitely very different to White Nights and IMO far better. Also for anyone who wants to tweak any brand of watercolour to their precise needs there is always the option of adding a little gum Arabic or oxgall to their water to make them either less likely to lift or more flowey. Schminke does it’s halfpan or full pan of Onetz solid oxgall which allows more flow. I have some in my Kremer palette for exactly that purpose. W&N and other brands have liquid gum Arabic. You can also use it on specific layers to create a sort of isolation effect, though you have to be careful with dilution otherwise it can appear a little shiny.
Your work is exquisite, and you are a VERY demanding user. Nearly all brands will only allow layers into single figures, round about four or five, and you are using them well more than that, and not just in a few places, but across the whole painting. The problem of opacity is not about the brand but about the pigment choice, likewise the ‘desaturation’ issue you are having is actually neutralisation. This is exactly why artists will specifically look for paints that have the qualities they need, and so there is this pull between opacity and transparency. Then lastly the choice of pigment is crucial. Rosa do offer a number of reds blues and yellows, though less of the last. They aren’t all in your set. I can hear your frustrations! Something that tells me that this is really an issue of formulation is a grumble that someone else had about a sheen on a more established brand that bugged them in comparison to Rosa. This instantly told me the brand they were complaining about had a higher level of gum Arabic. It was a brand that there is absolutely no question of quality at all! So there’s your fix for these colours. There is a cost to higher levels of gum Arabic, they are more shiny and more likely to become insoluble over time, as some very high end and expensive tube colours are.
I do not think you should write these off as student grade. Your last statement is really true. These are not a good fit for you. Maybe the Aquarius are also not a good fit, you have yet to discover discovered that! (I absolutely love the Aquarius). But it does not make either brand less professional. It just makes them unsuitable for certain techniques without learning further techniques, often taught in traditional European watercolour techniques.
One thing I know from a lifetime of using paint is there are NO brands that are perfect for every need, and yours are some of the most demanding of all. Very fine, detailed work with a huge amount of layers. Not everyone works this way! Student colours do NOT use good pigments. They have loads of filler and dyes. Professional paints use pure pigments. In various formulations of binder and mediums….. the variety of brands gives us choices, because not all artists are the same. If you are comparing these to Da Vinci, well no! They are a completely different animal! And those are not for everyone either, but could break someone bank account to find out!
Some of the Rosa choices, are landscape, a mono pigment choice, a botanical set, a modern palette, and a couple or three sets of 12-15 colours for a basic very cheap option starter kit. So even without buying open stock there is plenty of choice….
Rosa has a big set of colors. Aureline PY150 - very nice yellow and gets good mixes of greens
Thank you for your comment. It's very detailed and explains exactly why these watercolors aren't a good fit for this artist, but that doesn't make them poor quality paints! Opaque watercolors are harder to work with when you're doing illustrative work that requires multiple layers. But in other situations they can work wonders! I hope people aren't turned off from Rosa because of this review. I have a few Rosa colors and use them with my Da Vinci watercolors. I don't notice a difference in quality, they work beautifully together.
they do not have any ties with russian manufacturers, Rosa is manufactured in Ukraine, not russia
yikes that sounds like a lot of words for "i haven't done my homework on pigments"
Seems you are choosing the wrong pigments/paints for your technique & paper. They are excellent professional grade paints that work beautifully on professional cotton paper - especially single pigments. Also, please note - they are Ukrainian in production. Not Russian & not affiliated with White Nights. Details matter.
In cotton paper Rösa works beautifuly😊
Rosa has colors that would suit your style. You should have looked at the pigments before choosing the Classic set to complain about. Nobody expects cadmiums to perform great in glazing. Same goes for the darks containing blacks that lift and mud up consecutive layers. I am sorry you had bad experience with Rosa. I still love the final result that speaks of your talent. In case you want to give individual colors another chance I would recommend you to get #730 Golden on PY110 (transparent), #734 Flame Red on PO73 (semitr., staining), #709 Magenta Rose on PR122 (tran., staining), #751 Aureoline on PY150 (tran., staining), #738 Blue Indanthrene on PB60 (tran., staining). And you already have PV23, PG7 and PB15 in your set that are staining and transparent.
Can you recommend a website that sells Rosa open-stock internationally?
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@@mariram Thank you!! ☺️💚
@@amozinshade484 As of a few days ago, Jackson's now sells them open stock
@@M123Xoxo That's great! Haven't tried them yet but maybe soon 😸
4:47 HOW rosa galleria could have any relationship with white nights if they made in different countries? i belive you know about situation between russia and ukraine? Rosa is ukranian brand and white nights is russian
I was wrong and misinformed about Rosa, but your rationale is a bit flawed- lots of companies are international and collaborate across borders, and many companies white label additional products from other companies in other countries to sell as their own.
Ouch! This was painful to watch you struggle with these. I would say this set is not suitable for your techniques as a cartoonist/illustrator, and it just speaks to your expertise that you got a really good illustration in the end! Some of the reasons why these dont work for you - maybe this will help others who are looking at getting into watercolors. 1- only 7 colors out of 21 in this set are transparent, which you really need for your multi layer techniques. The indigo you started with is mostly a lightly granulating black, which just kept lifting and mixing with the layers above as you added them. 2. All of the yellows, oranges and one red are opaque true cadmium colors, which are the just about the easiest lifting colors there are. Opaque pigments can be really tricky for optical mixing, and these Rosa Gallery paints are really opaque. Cadmiums are difficult to layer, even the best artist I know who uses them says you can maybe get away with one additional light brush swipe over a cadmium color. They work best when laid down in a fairly strong wash or brush stroke, and then left alone. These also dont have a lot of ox gall, so they barely move. This is common in some “traditional style” watercolors, where it is desirable for the paint to stay where it is put, with just a little diffusion. Washy flowy paints are a more modern development and preference. What I dont see with my paints is that loss of saturation, mine stay bright and I have tested them on Legion Stonehenge too. So I can see where these just would not work for you, and I appreciate you pointed out it doesn’t work for your style. That being said, I love them, and enjoy mine, but I paint a lot of florals and dont mess about with them! I hope you can rehome them to someone who has a different style, who would enjoy them. But not a kid, since the cadmium paints are not kid safe. Thanks for sharing your work!
I echo with your assessment here. I just have a smaller set (in the cardboard box) and I really like them. I wanted to go through a small box of basic shades first before diving into the larger tin. Then again, I don’t have the expertise to do a lot of under painting like she does here, and my washes and vibrancy stayed nicely. I really like them, and I also wanted to support Ukraine products at this time.
i would bet, that was not an indigo, but indanthrene blue, which is notorious for its drying shift. so lots of critique on her side without diging into the info about pigments first. weird video.
@@mariusvaiciulis5072 maybe her technique is for gouache in stead of watercolor. she kept layering and layering. and grisaille technique basically on oil paintings. i just don't like the attitude LOL
@@ellengao1729 not sure about grisaile, but i do lay a lot of layers, because that works for me. in general it is not her technique, that raises questions, but her assertions regarding these paints, that i do have, that i've tried, and i know them quite well.
Yo compre un set este año por ser acuarelas de Ucrania, incluso tubos de colores que no estaban en el set... pero aun estoy tratando de adaptarme a los amarillos y azules.. aun así los conservare , no hay muchos productos de Ucrania en mi pais...😊😊
I hope now you are more aware about pigments and read the labels that state the opacity more carefully than you were when making this video, because it's a bit hard to watch. I think that this brand or this particular set isn't suited for your techniques (imo, monopigmented is a better set as introduction to rosa, I don't like the color selection in classic set either), I felt the same when hearing your opinion on mungyo. You can achieve vibrancy and beautiful results with both rosa and mungyo, but not with the way you use them. Which is completely fine, that's why so many brands of watercolors exist.
It's a shame that you had such a hard time with them and were left disappointed, even tho the result is cool. I feel like saying that they are on the level of student grade sets you didn't like that much was a bit unfair, it is a professional set even if you didn't enjoy using it. But that's your opinion, that's okay.
Good on you for persevering and congratulations on achieving a good result despite the difficulties. Your questions re where the colours went and how the water fouls so quickly suggests an explanation: colours are being lifted by the brush and subsequently washed out into the jar. Another reason would be the opacity of the colours used: they don’t work well with glazing and tends to cloud the water.
Also, in your last review you had comment if any of your viewers had a watercolor that we would like you to review to leave a comment below. Well I did that, but unfortunately my comment was deleted so it makes it look like I was commenting on the Aowen Watercolors, but I was actually talking about the Camel: Kokuyo Camlin watercolor tube set. These are really nice watercolors established in India in 1931. They are an office supply company that also makes art supplies. They smell when first poured, but the smell does go away. No pigment information, but the mixes are very clean. I found reviews regarding lightfast being 20-30+ years. Nice vivid colors. Nice price point.
I bought the camlin tubes and I love their color selection!
I bought two 20ml tubes of watercolor from the brand! It's great and flows so nicely. The biggest win is that they're insanely cheap where I live, I feel they're maybe just a step down from artist grade! Although I never tried artist grade WCs, Camlin's performance feels high quality.
Wouldn't liliputians make their clothing from the plants and flowers?
2024...Yo vi esta revisión hace ya 2 años, pero las acuarelas de la Rosa Gallery aun no se vendían en mi pais: así que cuando un distribuidor las trajo me emociono por lo muy económicas que son (incluso su precio es menor que las White Nights) he adquirido un set de 24 hace casi 2 meses y ahora si entiendo lo que quiere decir que son desaturadas.... sobre todo los amarillos y los azules no son lo suficientemente brillantes, he adquirido un set de Mijello Mision Gold y la diferencia es muy notoria, también creí que podría ser por ser de origen europeo son un poco mas opacas. Pero Maimeri Blu es italiana al igual que Roman Szmal. Aun así no dejan de ser unas acuarelas de calidad teniendo en cuenta el precio solo son diferentes.
Wondering if you would have different results with the monopigment set?
Sorry you had to struggle but the end results are beautiful, gorgeous work with the watercolor pencils
What size and brand of brush are you using please? I love your work, Ms. Hillburn.
Becca, this is a very interesting review, I'm wondering what scaling is, I don't know what it is so I'm not sure how to identify it in this demo or in paints I buy. Thank you
When viewed in person, it's like water scaling- the paint seems to leave little scales on the paper. It's not quite like granulation, which is due to pigment particle size, but generally due to additives in the paints, and it can negatively impact clean color mixing and makes glazes look dull and muddy.
Thanks for all your thorough reviews and your amazing talent, I love the flow of your manner of speech really enjoy listening to you, thanks for that Question what Amazon palette would you recommend for a beginner? been wanting the Rosa palette but now I'm leaning towards the MaiLiang Could you please advice me? thanks xx
for that it would be better the Schminke Horadam watercolors, or more high end watercolors like Sennelier. definitely a bigger set is a life saver on cheaper watercolors 😂
Hello Becca, Great review! It is really nice to get another perspective, good or bad! Thank you for all your time.
I'm really glad I watched this. Another reviewer compared these to qor, my favorite. So I currently need to restock like a 12 or 24 basic set. So I thought these might be my next set, but I think I'm gonna stick with qor. I've have my qor set of 5ml for 3 years and they are just now starting to run out because the colors are soooo pigmented they have literally lasted that long. Well thanks this really saved me.
So want to add to this comment. Qor was my very first set of professional colors 3 years ago. As a beginner I struggled to learn with them. Shortly after that I bought those I purchased m.grahm and those were far more usable in my beginner days. However now with some experience and many brands of WC paint later qor is absolutely my fav.
@@tradingpostfarms what is qor
What is "scaling"? ruclips.net/video/o54EDaPvkkQ/видео.html (at 8:07)
Are these similar to White Nights?
Not really. Whole pans so similar amount of paint, but formulation is very different, imo.
Like someone else said - weird video.
Wow! I'm glad you reviewed these. Since I can't buy the galleria version, but the studio one from aliexpress, I think I'll pass. Wouldn't be satisfied buying a set that in its professional range behaves like a student grade.
How disappointing. I don't care for the White Knights paints, so I'm guessing I won't enjoy these. I have a box of them I haven't opened yet, but no worries--I like experimenting with different brands, then passing along what didn't work for me to the next person to try. I hear what you say about adjusting how you work to a lower grade of paint! Sometimes, at least it's an interesting challenge.
P.S.-Thanks for being my work-buddy today :)
P.S. to the P.S.-Please don't feel any pressure from us viewers to change your beat just because it isn't the same as someone else's. This was great insight for those of us who also work on small scale or with lots of layering and glazing. I'm discovering that the paints I've been raving about for 3D miniature figures might not be as exciting to the majority of other people, since I'm approaching 3D in acrylics the same way I approach watercolours (pretty much entirely opposite to what a lot of 3D figure artist recommend!).