Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is no 4 in the top 10 but now on streaming video on demand. Crazy times we live in! Back on the old days it took around six months for a theatrical movie to be released on vhs video rental.
WB is just gonna drop this one like a bad habit and forget it happened. Once it gets to streaming, they will never mention it again after that. It amuses me.
Thank you for recommending Wild Robot. The day I watched your review, my grandson who we are raising after the passing of his mom, my stepdaughter, had a half day of kindergarten. So I decided to take him and my oldest son, who is autistic and non verbal for a afternoon movie. We all loved it so much. The theme really resonated with me. It was a beautiful film. ❤❤❤❤
Something Dan didn’t mention is Damien Leone and Phil Falcone are the only IP owners of Terrifier and Art The Clown. They declined to sell the rights to any distributor as all the usual distributors tried to negotiate with them but wanted ownership. It’s really enlightening to see a creative and his producer conquer the industry system and come out on top when everyone said no.
Good call. Nice to see some people do take in these stories of studios stragglehold on properties, in use or not, and didn't want to go through that mess.
I saw The Wild Robot after your review recommendation. Beautiful, touching animated film. Glad I saw it with my mom. She definitely was a bit emotional after watching it.
A work colleague was off last week, and he went to see Joker 2 on his birthday. He's the most placid, easygoing guy I know - but he told us he left the cinema angry; angry at how bad it was as a sequel, angry at the story, angry that it wasn't even marketed as a musical, which it clearly is in part. If Joker 2 can anger and disappoint a guy like That, it's no wonder its box office take has fallen off a cliff in just 2 weeks - the word is out that it's an insultingly bad cash-grab stinker.
@@norm-bb3bb You need a dictionary. This was the exact definition of a cash grab. A sequel that nobody wanted but the studio demanded after seeing the billion dollars the first 1 made
@@spacemanspliff7983 Yes and the director made it bad intentionally because he didn't want a sequel, this is the definition of an anti sequel and an anti cash grab.
Time to mention my fun fact about Friday the 13th (2009) that it opened on a rare 3-Holiday weekend. Friday was the titular Friday the 13th, Saturday was Valentine's Day, and Sunday/Monday were the Presidents' Day weekend. And Joker still had a worse drop!
26:41 I think the reason why there was inaccuracies to the theater count for Look Back was because of how GKIDS rolled out the film: it opened in 2 theaters on the 4th, but they also did wide special event screenings for it on the 6th and 7th, so for the overwhelming majority of the 535 theaters it played in last week/weekend, it was only for two days (only one of which was counted towards the weekend total) and only had one showtime per day in most of those theaters as well.
Hi, Dan 👋 Just another fan who saw your personal update video a little while back. I hope you're doing alright 🙏 From one cinephile to another, you've still got a whole lot of people who are on your side and wish you the best 🤗
The fact that Terrifer was successful due to a huge support of Latinos, doesn't surprise me. Never underestimate how much that Latinos love Halloween, that and the goth/espooky vibes.
@@nms7872it cost much less and I highly doubt it's quality was worse than the two films in question. Would've been able to scrape by some money theatrically or at least work to rehabilitate DCs image. I have a hard time believing any bullshit story they were peddling about the movie being unwatchable, they don't know what a good movie looks like and the directors are very competent creators.
It. Wasn't. Finished. But can we really say it would have been better or worse than Flash? No. Because none of us actually know what that film would have been like after it had been finished. And none of us will ever know. Thanks WB.
As a horror fan who is terrified of clowns and isn’t a fan of slashers, I actually like the Terrifier series and am thrilled to see Terrifier 3 doing so well. David Howard Thornton is such a star.
"Saw" is 20 years old? Oh my. The movie I'm seeing this weekend will probably be "Hagen", a German co-production (along with several other European countries). It's the classic 13th century Song of the Nibelungs, told from the perspective of Burgundian Viking vassal Hagen von Tronje, as a big, sprawling fantasy epic. It's the first German movie I'm seeing in 16 years.
Great for terrifier... it is nice to see independent movies being successful. I know it is not for everyone but for the looks of it, it is more appealing than some would have you believed.
I’m glad My Hero Academia did good enough to end up at least in the top 10, tho I absolutely wish it could’ve done better as it’s done before. Just lots of competition. I’m probably very alone on this but I’m personally putting it in not just my top 10 favorites of the year, but even my top 5! I was so excited for it and it didn’t disappoint me one bit! And the fact that 5 of the top 10 was animation? Huge W! 🔥 Terrifier 3 was ok imo, but this is coming from someone who’s not very big on the movies or what they do. Still crazy to think how much it’s grown tho and how much of an icon Art has become.
don't need a MBA to know that making a $200m Joker musical in 2024 was a horrible business decision. like anyone who was alive in the 21st century could have probably told them that
7:50 I think some of the jump in openings is because both previous "Terrifier" films have been featured on multiple "how to beat/survive" RUclips channels. The comments on the ones I follow have a lot of people saying that they've never heard of the "Terrifier" films before but are going to look into them.
It would be nice if the people going to watch it were also nice. I work at a theater and I do not think we've had a more unpleasant crop of customers since... Black Phone (I don't know why that one was so problematic). To be fair, it doesn't seem to be the hardcore fans as much as the "ooo I hear this one is scary" idiots.
Aaron Pierre's John Stewart DCU casting is sure to give Rebel Ridge an added boost in its 6th wk of release on Netflix. Shocking that Joker 2 fell to #4 from #1 when the Actuals came in!
Hi, Dan 👋 Just another fan who saw your personal update video a little while back. I hope you're doing alright 🙏 From one person to another, you've got a whole lot of people who are on your side and wish you the best 🤗
Damn. I remember it vividly. Summer of 2022 was when a sequel was announced and it took social media by storm. And now look at where the film is now. What an absolute free fall.
the hype around Terrifier 3 is not surprising. i knew a lot of people who went and saw it. its playing in every theater too. love it! Part 2 was a big hit last year. i hope more movies come out like this: super low budget schlock. its honestly a breath of fresh air that movies like Terrifier are doing so well and giving a middle finger to the studio system.
Thank you for the charts Dan. Especially all the charts showing Jokers drop. Also, that's an amazing flashback Top 10. Wow, what a weekend that was. Finally, thank you for the recommendation for Exhibiting Forgiveness. It's showing at my local AMC. Will check it out.
Checked the premium screens in my area yesterday and the Joker screenings were almost completely empty. I think in 12 screens had a total of fifteen people.
Criminal that Pachinko is likely going to be glossed over by audiences and critics again this season. One of the best shows on streaming but trapped behind the Apple TV+ jail door. Will admit that subtitles dont help either - but hey Parasite broke out so 🤷♂️
I did wonder if Todd Philips just didnt want to make Joker 2, and made it to flop. However when you read that it could loose $200,000,000 I cant help but think he would not set out to piss off Warner Brothers THAT much. It wont just be WB who thinks twice about giving him a decent budget.
Anecdotally, I'm surprised Saturday Night is that low. My friend and I saw it in two markets this weekend and both screenings were at least 90% full. Outside of Marvel movies, not sure the last time I can say that was the case. Goes to show that it must not have had the same success in other markets.
I wanted to thank you Dan for the distraction. I had to put my dog down last week & I’ve been struggling a little bit since. Thank you for the escape! Keep it up 👍🏻 good sir.
The Joker 2 will be used as an example as to why studios won’t give full control to directors. They gave Todd everything he wanted and he destroyed a Billion Dollar franchise *corrected spelling*
The Art of Dying Brings me to life Death by design tongue-tied and you're terri-FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *GO!*
I'm really confused about Joker 2. I don't know if I should champion daring films, subverting expectations or to rubbish films for not appealing to an audience. It is art.... but it is a business...
Yeah, such films really challenge the simple narratives around box office. If it was a hit people would say: "See, the audience rewards something daring!" People have trouble admitting to themselfes that nobody really knows what will sell at the box office. Yet the reaction is always: "Well, obviously..."
Yes, the "fans know what's good/sells" narrative is just burnt out for me. Given the reaction for both Joker and Furiosa, it could just be that the real target audiences for those films don't go to the theater as quickly anymore, so they just wait for streaming and it becomes a self-fulling prophecy in terms of box office - just as the alternative versions of those sequels that would have been "successful" would have had little or no appeal to those streaming audiences because they would have been so safe and mediocre. In the larger sense, I don't know why I should care about the overall health of an industry that just serves mental pablum because it's safe and profitable when it's nothing that I want to see anyway and, over time, theaters have become expensive zoos that even the staff can't control - and the industry didn't make it that way... the "fans" did. The point that the numbers prove whatever someone wants them to prove is well taken; for me, they've always shown that there's no correlation between box office and film quality.
I spent my movie money on Saturday Night, and this movie was directly targeted at me as I am a lifelong SNL fan who has been watching since the seventies. I can tell you that for someone like me, the film was very moving, especially the crescendo-like ending; however, for non-SNL fans, I just have hard time believing that they would get much out of it.
The fact that Joker 2 was ALLOWED to be made the way it was with that big of a budget is ludicrous! I know they won't but, I really hope that Hollywood learns their lesson at some point in the near future that pissing off fans because they "aren't the right kind" is beyond stupid!
“Joker has the biggest heist at WB…. “😂😂😂 “WB wanted to sell the company again to have another write off… “ “Terrifier 3 being number 1 in any week was not in any of my Bingo cards”. 😅😊
It's so weird seeing people framing Terrifier and Joker as indie vs Hollywood. The only thing Hollywood about Joker is the budget, it's an indie in every other way. It's a court room drama/musical about a comic book character with Lady Gaga that is super depressing. There is nothing Hollywood about that. And as I understand it, Phillips and Phoenix had total creative control. I do not think it's a result of the Hollywood assembly line. And the fact that Joker failed is exactly why movies like Terrifier don't get funding from Hollywood. Sinking a lot of money into a production that is a weird, creative, and personal vision from a filmmaker is a huge gamble that it will flop. And if Hollywood did up the budget, then Terrifier would be in the exact same position the Joker is in. I am super happy for Terrifier, but I think it's lightning in a bottle. It's not a template that can predictably be copied.
First time in the history of the box office that 5 of the top 10 movies are animated! The Wild Robot, Piece by Piece, Transformers One, My Hero Academia, and Nightmare Before Christmas.
Thank you for pointing out that Todd Philips' bullshit is going to cost a lot of films their chance to get made. He got to make his "Fuck You" movie to the Joker fans and now that sentiment extends to other filmmakers. I hope he doesn't get work for many years.
I'm not sure I'd describe Joker 2 as a risk, at least not without hindsight. It's a sequel to a billion dollar movie, starring one of the most acclaimed actors of his generation and one of the most famous singers of her generation, directed by the person who helmed said billion dollar prequel. That makes it look more like a sure thing, and - I assume - the reason the high budget was approved.
It was risky since they announced it will be a musical with Lady Gaga my first thought was, God is going to be a flop but I wanted to be wrong because I love the first movie so much
Even though it was an small release, an horror experimental animation film “The Wolf House” (2018,Chile) had the similar type of success here in Japan last summer with an minimal promotion but an PACKED theaters everywhere. Horror fans all over the world know what they want and would show up.
Next year Dan, you should do a top 10 box office. Would be fun to see how much of a guess it would be. To be fair, if I movie is delayed to a future year, have a few back up picks to put on the list.
I believe The Fall Guy is based on a television show from the 70s or 80s. This is with regard to the "Non-sequel/remake gross" graphic. I don't think the show is the most well-known thing, but it might matter to you, so I figured I'd mention it.
Yes, I'm aware of The Fall Guy's TV origins. In the movie realm, it's not a remake of or a sequel to an existing film, which is what I used as the criterion.
@@DanMurrellMovies Okay, that makes sense. I know you take this stuff pretty seriously with the corrections and stuff so I wanted to throw it out there in case you hadn't known. I'd definitely never heard of it prior to the film lol
33:40 I have to correct you on the Box Office Flashback, it’s actually the first Hotel Transylvania that came out in 2012. The sequel came out three years later. The grosses on the frame are the same, it’s just you had the sequel instead of the original.
Fellow Latina that watched Terrifier 3 twice in theaters 🙋🏽♀️ I am still pleasantly surprised at how well it's doing at the box office considering how graphic this franchise is. I love it, but when I talked about it with my friends, they were aghast at what kind of movie I watched 😅
I don’t know about Warner Bros. not taking risks, cause looking at their slate next year, they’re going to be getting like 4 Jokers. It’s like Apple last year but they don’t have the money
My take on the Joker 2 flop is the result of mass miscommunication and gross misunderstanding on the studio and audience end. The original Joker by Todd Philips was never pitched as a superhero genre film, it was a somber ‘art house’ reimagining of the Joker character. The film overperformed with critics, at the box office and during the awards season, signaling to the studios that a more highbrow, genre subverting superhero flick could sell well. Naturally this led to the greenlighting of the sequel film, if you look at the films themselves it is a natural progression of the original film narratively and even thematically. It makes sense for them to make this movie not out of spite, in the studio or Todd Philips’ end, but because they saw the success of the first film. Now the misunderstanding comes in that they didn’t realize that what the majority of the audience enjoyed about the original wasn’t that it was a highbrow art film but because of the still remaining conventional superhero fair, and the fact that it was done with realism, grit and hyper violence. The majority of the audience mistook Todd’s intentions and major takeaways of the original film, resulting in a wildly differing of expectations. I don’t buy the takes that Todd was intentionally trying to piss off its core fan base, not that Warner wanted to take this risk. Simply that Joker was seen as a highbrow genre subversion on the creators side, and a hyper stylized superhero flick on the fandom’s side. Leading to the failure of this sequel critically and monetarily.
One idea Dan. When Joker 2 ends it run (it probably wont take long) do a analyzes of how much the first Joker had profit, so we can see how much of that money was wasted on the sequel.
In the near future when someone fails spectacularly they'll be referred to as "doing a Joker." "I just took my admission test to go to law school." "Cool. How did it go?" "I did a Joker." "That bad, huh!" 🤭
"Hysteria!" is also premiering on Peacock at the end of this week, which wasn't mentioned in the segment for "Opening This Week." I'm hoping it's good.
At least Megalopolis was a passion project with a message that was funded by the filmmaker himself. Joker 2 was a cynical, pointless movie made with other people’s money by a filmmaker who was at best uninterested in his source material and audience.
Since Dark Phoenix, I feel like we've gotten a new "historic low drop" for a superhero movie just about every year but never can beat Steel. So congrats to Joker and the Marvels for doing the truly unthinkable
If Beetlejuice 2 ends up making more money than Joker 2 in the second week, this will be the second time Michael Keaton beats the Joker
Brilliant commet sir!
It did check the final number online. Joker is #4.
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is no 4 in the top 10 but now on streaming video on demand.
Crazy times we live in!
Back on the old days it took around six months for a theatrical movie to be released on vhs video rental.
Nicely done
BJ2 did beat Junkler2 in this weekend after all, BJ2 is at #3 at $7.3m while JK2 at $7m final
Joker burning money in The Dark Knight. A perfect metaphor for Joker 2’s box office performance.
You get what you fucking deserve haha
WB is just gonna drop this one like a bad habit and forget it happened. Once it gets to streaming, they will never mention it again after that. It amuses me.
The problem is that the joker only burned his half, not the whole pile.
@@iam9991000The remaining half represents the first one. 😂
Some men just want to watch the world burn. 🔥 💵
Joker 2 being bested by an ACTUAL killer clown feels like some kind of cosmic balance and realignment
Thank you for recommending Wild Robot. The day I watched your review, my grandson who we are raising after the passing of his mom, my stepdaughter, had a half day of kindergarten. So I decided to take him and my oldest son, who is autistic and non verbal for a afternoon movie. We all loved it so much. The theme really resonated with me. It was a beautiful film. ❤❤❤❤
So sick to see an indie horror movie take #1 over a $200m comic book movie
In fairness it is the Halloween season
@@michaelnally2841 right that explains it 😂🙄
Horror movies are actually pretty good compared to C-below comic book movies
"sick" being the operative word here judging by some of the reports coming from cinemas.
Too bad it sucks
Something Dan didn’t mention is Damien Leone and Phil Falcone are the only IP owners of Terrifier and Art The Clown. They declined to sell the rights to any distributor as all the usual distributors tried to negotiate with them but wanted ownership. It’s really enlightening to see a creative and his producer conquer the industry system and come out on top when everyone said no.
Good for them!!! That means they likely control merchandising and licensing rights which will keep funding rolling in well past the box office.
- their IP just quadrupled in value
Good call. Nice to see some people do take in these stories of studios stragglehold on properties, in use or not, and didn't want to go through that mess.
@@K_Rob I think Terrifer could become the new Friday the 13th or Halloween, it's definitely got a better killer than other slashers
That "most theaters lost in a weekend" chart is going to be getting another workout next weekend. It's been an insane year for flops.
Looking forward to it. 😅
Although this year had the most profitable animated film of all time (not inflation adjusted)... Inside Out 2.
But that's inflation for you. 🤭
I saw The Wild Robot after your review recommendation. Beautiful, touching animated film. Glad I saw it with my mom. She definitely was a bit emotional after watching it.
A work colleague was off last week, and he went to see Joker 2 on his birthday. He's the most placid, easygoing guy I know - but he told us he left the cinema angry; angry at how bad it was as a sequel, angry at the story, angry that it wasn't even marketed as a musical, which it clearly is in part. If Joker 2 can anger and disappoint a guy like That, it's no wonder its box office take has fallen off a cliff in just 2 weeks - the word is out that it's an insultingly bad cash-grab stinker.
This wasn't definitely a cash grab, a cash grab would've been following the same formula of the first one, it would've been an instant success.
@@norm-bb3bba cash grab would have been having joker going around killing everyone with no music, this was absolutely an anti cash grab lol
@@norm-bb3bb You need a dictionary. This was the exact definition of a cash grab. A sequel that nobody wanted but the studio demanded after seeing the billion dollars the first 1 made
@@spacemanspliff7983 Yes and the director made it bad intentionally because he didn't want a sequel, this is the definition of an anti sequel and an anti cash grab.
Only $1M left to go before Deadpool & Wolverine passes Barbie domestically for the biggest July release in the states.
Joker 2 was the real terrifier.
😄😁😂🤣
Never heard of Terrifier 2 or 1!
@@YTguySmithy-lk6gotheir on Prime here in the UK - maybe different in your locale.
Time to mention my fun fact about Friday the 13th (2009) that it opened on a rare 3-Holiday weekend. Friday was the titular Friday the 13th, Saturday was Valentine's Day, and Sunday/Monday were the Presidents' Day weekend. And Joker still had a worse drop!
This is especially significant when you consider that Joker's second weekend was a holiday weekend.
@@danBhentschelThat was the Pre-Columbus Day weekend.
A clown duel nobody saw coming just a few years ago...
26:41 I think the reason why there was inaccuracies to the theater count for Look Back was because of how GKIDS rolled out the film: it opened in 2 theaters on the 4th, but they also did wide special event screenings for it on the 6th and 7th, so for the overwhelming majority of the 535 theaters it played in last week/weekend, it was only for two days (only one of which was counted towards the weekend total) and only had one showtime per day in most of those theaters as well.
No mention of this historic box office milestone:
First time five of the domestic top 10 are animated!
27:25 I agree, hire Dan. He puts way more effort into reporting this accurately and without bias than anyone who actually works in the industry.
Hi, Dan 👋 Just another fan who saw your personal update video a little while back. I hope you're doing alright 🙏 From one cinephile to another, you've still got a whole lot of people who are on your side and wish you the best 🤗
an FYI - Wild Robot doesn't open here in Japan until February of 2025, so its box office story won't conclude until next year.
The fact that Terrifer was successful due to a huge support of Latinos, doesn't surprise me. Never underestimate how much that Latinos love Halloween, that and the goth/espooky vibes.
I saw The Wild robot yesterday for the 2nd time
Joker and flash, clearly Warner picked up the wrong films to become tax write off
I see no reason why Batgirl would have succeeded. It was direct to streaming too
@@nms7872it was way cheaper than either flash or joker, before it was shelved the plan was to be a theatrical release.
@@nms7872it cost much less and I highly doubt it's quality was worse than the two films in question. Would've been able to scrape by some money theatrically or at least work to rehabilitate DCs image. I have a hard time believing any bullshit story they were peddling about the movie being unwatchable, they don't know what a good movie looks like and the directors are very competent creators.
Batgirl looked awful
It. Wasn't. Finished.
But can we really say it would have been better or worse than Flash? No. Because none of us actually know what that film would have been like after it had been finished. And none of us will ever know. Thanks WB.
Congrats, Joker 2, on your new records! 🎉
As a horror fan who is terrified of clowns and isn’t a fan of slashers, I actually like the Terrifier series and am thrilled to see Terrifier 3 doing so well. David Howard Thornton is such a star.
He deserves all the recognition ❤ phenomenal actor
"Saw" is 20 years old? Oh my.
The movie I'm seeing this weekend will probably be "Hagen", a German co-production (along with several other European countries). It's the classic 13th century Song of the Nibelungs, told from the perspective of Burgundian Viking vassal Hagen von Tronje, as a big, sprawling fantasy epic. It's the first German movie I'm seeing in 16 years.
Joker 2 had a higher drop than Shaq’s Steel. THINK ABOUT THAT!
Great for terrifier... it is nice to see independent movies being successful. I know it is not for everyone but for the looks of it, it is more appealing than some would have you believed.
Actuals are even lower than estimates. Joker is number 4. -82.4%
Actuals aren't out yet, it's still estimates they just updated them
Nice to see Wild Robot at least making it's money back.
That really is *TERRIFYING* that 'Joker 2' wasn't able to *WALTZ* past expectations
The “Killing Joke” of all this is; this is exactly what the director wanted to make. 😮
perhaps studios will learn a lesson and not just force a sequel on any successful stand-alone movie.
How would that be the lesson? IP still wins over 90% of the time.
Time to spend your money somewhere else.
Yay! Thanks for your work Dan! 😊
I’m glad My Hero Academia did good enough to end up at least in the top 10, tho I absolutely wish it could’ve done better as it’s done before. Just lots of competition. I’m probably very alone on this but I’m personally putting it in not just my top 10 favorites of the year, but even my top 5! I was so excited for it and it didn’t disappoint me one bit! And the fact that 5 of the top 10 was animation? Huge W! 🔥
Terrifier 3 was ok imo, but this is coming from someone who’s not very big on the movies or what they do. Still crazy to think how much it’s grown tho and how much of an icon Art has become.
don't need a MBA to know that making a $200m Joker musical in 2024 was a horrible business decision. like anyone who was alive in the 21st century could have probably told them that
Yep, I don't know why people is surprised, they didn't follow the same formula of the first one, it was risky as hell
Cocaine is a he'll of a drug
@@eustatic3832*hell
7:50 I think some of the jump in openings is because both previous "Terrifier" films have been featured on multiple "how to beat/survive" RUclips channels. The comments on the ones I follow have a lot of people saying that they've never heard of the "Terrifier" films before but are going to look into them.
Terrifier 3 writer and director is a great guy and love this for him. The movie only cost 2 million and it made everything back + a lot more!
2 million? Crazy!
It would be nice if the people going to watch it were also nice. I work at a theater and I do not think we've had a more unpleasant crop of customers since... Black Phone (I don't know why that one was so problematic). To be fair, it doesn't seem to be the hardcore fans as much as the "ooo I hear this one is scary" idiots.
Aaron Pierre's John Stewart DCU casting is sure to give Rebel Ridge an added boost in its 6th wk of release on Netflix. Shocking that Joker 2 fell to #4 from #1 when the Actuals came in!
Hi, Dan 👋 Just another fan who saw your personal update video a little while back. I hope you're doing alright 🙏 From one person to another, you've got a whole lot of people who are on your side and wish you the best 🤗
Damn. I remember it vividly. Summer of 2022 was when a sequel was announced and it took social media by storm. And now look at where the film is now. What an absolute free fall.
I also remember everyone warned Todd that day that he didn't need to make it a musical, everyone wanted a sequel but no as a musical.
the hype around Terrifier 3 is not surprising. i knew a lot of people who went and saw it. its playing in every theater too. love it!
Part 2 was a big hit last year.
i hope more movies come out like this: super low budget schlock. its honestly a breath of fresh air that movies like Terrifier are doing so well and giving a middle finger to the studio system.
Completely agree , so happy for the Terrifier crew
Thank you for the charts Dan. Especially all the charts showing Jokers drop. Also, that's an amazing flashback Top 10. Wow, what a weekend that was. Finally, thank you for the recommendation for Exhibiting Forgiveness. It's showing at my local AMC. Will check it out.
The Wild Robot releases in the uk this coming weekend. Can’t wait to watch it. Looks great
You are in for a treat! I’ve seen it twice.
I’m so happy for Terrifier 3. Love to see indie horror movies thriving!
Art the Clown killed Arthur Fleck. I did my part this weekend by seeing both Terrifier 3 and The Wild Robot.
Cinemascore really don't lie
And they spell DISASTER for Joker Folie A Deux at the box office
Great coverage Dan, one of the most interesting weeks at the box office that I remember!
I hope you interview the director of Terrifier some day
I'd love to, if he'd be available and open to it. I'd be fascinated to hear his take on some of my thoughts on the series.
The tears of a Clown, when there's no-one around
...because they're all watching Terrifier 3.
Joker has to be a record for the difference between the gross for a movie and its sequel?
That certainly seems possible - sounds like a good statistic for Dan to look at.
You’re overlooking how many huge films had lower budget direct to video sequels. 90s Disney was notorious for it.
@@MrRyan-wu4jx Yes, but I would exclude them and count only theatrical releases.
"Explosive Organic Growth" as a phrase for Terrifier's opening makes me uncofortable somehow
I think Explosive Organic Growth's new album comes out next week.
Checked the premium screens in my area yesterday and the Joker screenings were almost completely empty. I think in 12 screens had a total of fifteen people.
Watching the “The Great Outdoors” here on RUclips, I miss John Candy & good movies
Joker 2 deserved to having these numbers , on my opinion . thank you for bring us all these information , Dan
‘I will of course keep tracking the wild robot’ is a great out of context quote 18:07
Criminal that Pachinko is likely going to be glossed over by audiences and critics again this season. One of the best shows on streaming but trapped behind the Apple TV+ jail door. Will admit that subtitles dont help either - but hey Parasite broke out so 🤷♂️
"It's not about money, it's about sending a message" and the message is, this sequel sucks! 😂
Hey Dan, watching you from India.
Love your analysis ❤
Dan You Are Right Joker 2 Is Number 4
I did wonder if Todd Philips just didnt want to make Joker 2, and made it to flop. However when you read that it could loose $200,000,000 I cant help but think he would not set out to piss off Warner Brothers THAT much. It wont just be WB who thinks twice about giving him a decent budget.
Anecdotally, I'm surprised Saturday Night is that low. My friend and I saw it in two markets this weekend and both screenings were at least 90% full. Outside of Marvel movies, not sure the last time I can say that was the case. Goes to show that it must not have had the same success in other markets.
WB could release Coyote vs. Acme and recoup most of the loss from Joker 2.
No, they should make a re release of the first Joker again with new scenes
Hush is available on the streaming sight Shudder for those who are interested
the fall guy is a reboot from an old tv show, isn't it?
It’s more of remake
I’m such a nerd for these stats, so I appreciate the care and detail you put into the video, Dan. Thank you!
I wanted to thank you Dan for the distraction.
I had to put my dog down last week & I’ve been struggling a little bit since.
Thank you for the escape!
Keep it up 👍🏻 good sir.
I’m so sorry for your loss. May you find solace in happy memories.
I'm so sorry for your loss
Hey Jack, I went through the same situation last year, it is devastating but you will get better.
I'm really sorry for your loss
The Joker 2 will be used as an example as to why studios won’t give full control to directors.
They gave Todd everything he wanted and he destroyed a Billion Dollar franchise
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I'm really confused about Joker 2. I don't know if I should champion daring films, subverting expectations or to rubbish films for not appealing to an audience. It is art.... but it is a business...
Yeah, such films really challenge the simple narratives around box office. If it was a hit people would say: "See, the audience rewards something daring!" People have trouble admitting to themselfes that nobody really knows what will sell at the box office. Yet the reaction is always: "Well, obviously..."
Yes, the "fans know what's good/sells" narrative is just burnt out for me. Given the reaction for both Joker and Furiosa, it could just be that the real target audiences for those films don't go to the theater as quickly anymore, so they just wait for streaming and it becomes a self-fulling prophecy in terms of box office - just as the alternative versions of those sequels that would have been "successful" would have had little or no appeal to those streaming audiences because they would have been so safe and mediocre. In the larger sense, I don't know why I should care about the overall health of an industry that just serves mental pablum because it's safe and profitable when it's nothing that I want to see anyway and, over time, theaters have become expensive zoos that even the staff can't control - and the industry didn't make it that way... the "fans" did.
The point that the numbers prove whatever someone wants them to prove is well taken; for me, they've always shown that there's no correlation between box office and film quality.
You know it's best friend territory when you get called for a last minute babysitting duties to cover an appointment that was made months ago. 😂
It was a dental emergency.
Terrifier 3 Ftw. So great seeing them evolve and grow success from the first terrifier.
Great video as always Dan!
I spent my movie money on Saturday Night, and this movie was directly targeted at me as I am a lifelong SNL fan who has been watching since the seventies.
I can tell you that for someone like me, the film was very moving, especially the crescendo-like ending; however, for non-SNL fans, I just have hard time believing that they would get much out of it.
The fact that Joker 2 was ALLOWED to be made the way it was with that big of a budget is ludicrous! I know they won't but, I really hope that Hollywood learns their lesson at some point in the near future that pissing off fans because they "aren't the right kind" is beyond stupid!
“Joker has the biggest heist at WB…. “😂😂😂
“WB wanted to sell the company again to have another write off… “
“Terrifier 3 being number 1 in any week was not in any of my Bingo cards”. 😅😊
That's history right there... ya understand?
No inflation adjustment for the box office history segment? That little magical sound is my favorite part of the show.
It's so weird seeing people framing Terrifier and Joker as indie vs Hollywood. The only thing Hollywood about Joker is the budget, it's an indie in every other way. It's a court room drama/musical about a comic book character with Lady Gaga that is super depressing. There is nothing Hollywood about that. And as I understand it, Phillips and Phoenix had total creative control. I do not think it's a result of the Hollywood assembly line.
And the fact that Joker failed is exactly why movies like Terrifier don't get funding from Hollywood. Sinking a lot of money into a production that is a weird, creative, and personal vision from a filmmaker is a huge gamble that it will flop. And if Hollywood did up the budget, then Terrifier would be in the exact same position the Joker is in.
I am super happy for Terrifier, but I think it's lightning in a bottle. It's not a template that can predictably be copied.
First time in the history of the box office that 5 of the top 10 movies are animated! The Wild Robot, Piece by Piece, Transformers One, My Hero Academia, and Nightmare Before Christmas.
Thank you for pointing out that Todd Philips' bullshit is going to cost a lot of films their chance to get made. He got to make his "Fuck You" movie to the Joker fans and now that sentiment extends to other filmmakers. I hope he doesn't get work for many years.
You sound bitter. Did you invest money in that garbage or something? 😂
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I'm not sure I'd describe Joker 2 as a risk, at least not without hindsight. It's a sequel to a billion dollar movie, starring one of the most acclaimed actors of his generation and one of the most famous singers of her generation, directed by the person who helmed said billion dollar prequel. That makes it look more like a sure thing, and - I assume - the reason the high budget was approved.
It was risky since they announced it will be a musical with Lady Gaga my first thought was, God is going to be a flop but I wanted to be wrong because I love the first movie so much
Even though it was an small release, an horror experimental animation film “The Wolf House” (2018,Chile) had the similar type of success here in Japan last summer with an minimal promotion but an PACKED theaters everywhere. Horror fans all over the world know what they want and would show up.
Thank you Dan
Next year Dan, you should do a top 10 box office. Would be fun to see how much of a guess it would be. To be fair, if I movie is delayed to a future year, have a few back up picks to put on the list.
I believe The Fall Guy is based on a television show from the 70s or 80s. This is with regard to the "Non-sequel/remake gross" graphic. I don't think the show is the most well-known thing, but it might matter to you, so I figured I'd mention it.
Yes, I'm aware of The Fall Guy's TV origins. In the movie realm, it's not a remake of or a sequel to an existing film, which is what I used as the criterion.
@@DanMurrellMovies Okay, that makes sense. I know you take this stuff pretty seriously with the corrections and stuff so I wanted to throw it out there in case you hadn't known. I'd definitely never heard of it prior to the film lol
33:40 I have to correct you on the Box Office Flashback, it’s actually the first Hotel Transylvania that came out in 2012. The sequel came out three years later. The grosses on the frame are the same, it’s just you had the sequel instead of the original.
Wait so what was the last unrated movie to open at number 1???
"Friday the 13th is off the hook" I thought was a pun until I remembered that's the wrong murder weapon for Jason.
Fellow Latina that watched Terrifier 3 twice in theaters 🙋🏽♀️ I am still pleasantly surprised at how well it's doing at the box office considering how graphic this franchise is. I love it, but when I talked about it with my friends, they were aghast at what kind of movie I watched 😅
32:56 I think you mean Hotel Transylvania 1. Hotel Transylvania 2 came out in 2015.
11:31 would be nice to have the release years on all the films here, rather than just one of them
Im sure someone has already suggested this but maybe you can do seasonal predictions like you do for the summer.
I don’t know about Warner Bros. not taking risks, cause looking at their slate next year, they’re going to be getting like 4 Jokers. It’s like Apple last year but they don’t have the money
My take on the Joker 2 flop is the result of mass miscommunication and gross misunderstanding on the studio and audience end. The original Joker by Todd Philips was never pitched as a superhero genre film, it was a somber ‘art house’ reimagining of the Joker character. The film overperformed with critics, at the box office and during the awards season, signaling to the studios that a more highbrow, genre subverting superhero flick could sell well. Naturally this led to the greenlighting of the sequel film, if you look at the films themselves it is a natural progression of the original film narratively and even thematically. It makes sense for them to make this movie not out of spite, in the studio or Todd Philips’ end, but because they saw the success of the first film. Now the misunderstanding comes in that they didn’t realize that what the majority of the audience enjoyed about the original wasn’t that it was a highbrow art film but because of the still remaining conventional superhero fair, and the fact that it was done with realism, grit and hyper violence. The majority of the audience mistook Todd’s intentions and major takeaways of the original film, resulting in a wildly differing of expectations. I don’t buy the takes that Todd was intentionally trying to piss off its core fan base, not that Warner wanted to take this risk. Simply that Joker was seen as a highbrow genre subversion on the creators side, and a hyper stylized superhero flick on the fandom’s side. Leading to the failure of this sequel critically and monetarily.
One idea Dan. When Joker 2 ends it run (it probably wont take long) do a analyzes of how much the first Joker had profit, so we can see how much of that money was wasted on the sequel.
In the near future when someone fails spectacularly they'll be referred to as "doing a Joker."
"I just took my admission test to go to law school."
"Cool. How did it go?"
"I did a Joker."
"That bad, huh!"
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Did you know that box office numbers don't necessarily reflect the quality of a film? The Thing flopped hard.
I do know that, and I make that point often on this show.
Saw Look Back and Saturday Night this weekend. Both very good to excellent.
Neat 🔥 Look Back is just outside my top 10 of the year. I’ll be seeing Saturday Night this weekend
"Hysteria!" is also premiering on Peacock at the end of this week, which wasn't mentioned in the segment for "Opening This Week." I'm hoping it's good.
Between Joker 2 and Megalopolis, think of all the world hunger we could have solved.
At least Megalopolis was a passion project with a message that was funded by the filmmaker himself. Joker 2 was a cynical, pointless movie made with other people’s money by a filmmaker who was at best uninterested in his source material and audience.
Since Dark Phoenix, I feel like we've gotten a new "historic low drop" for a superhero movie just about every year but never can beat Steel. So congrats to Joker and the Marvels for doing the truly unthinkable