Me too! I am thinking of getting this as my wedding 'ring' and then getting a relatively cheap actual ring. I want this exact watch and a Mr Belvedere desk lamp!
Great review thank you. The only feature missing from this on the fly fine adjustment clasp so that you don’t need any tools. That is a critical feature when your wrist expands in humid temperatures.
The rubber strap accessory band has that feature and would probably be better in the humid conditions your referencing. It’s a pricey addition but the reviews on the rubber band are great
Hey Bob, BELEIVE you are working with them; they obviously respect your work as much as you do theirs, as I and many others do too! Great combo of technical, opinion and 'personal'. Over here in the UK I'd bet a few 'quid' I'm not alone in thinking that! Keep it up geezer!
I have one problem with what is an exceptional watch. No matter how much enthusiasts might deny it, there's a part of buying a watch that is down to image and status. This Oris is to all intents, identical to the standard Aquis. Usually, the premium price is justified by case polish, the quality of the bracelet etc...but this does not apply here. The mechanism and performance of the watch is really good, but if I'm paying a premium price, I'm going to want a premium looking product. I'm not sure if I could justify paying the extra, no matter how good it's mechanical heart may be....but it's a really interesting watch.
Have to agree with this as much as I like Oris as a brand. I think the stock Aquis is a good value proposition if you can buy it with a decent AD discount. I've owned 4 different Aquis (and 2 Oris chronos) in the past, but have now sold them all and moved on to other brands since. I'm generally only interested in their limited editions these days, I particularly like the Aquis Whale Shark GMT.
I agree. The price kind of shocked me. Great watch, but I no thanks at that price. I've handled several watches from the brand but never owned one. I guess it will be an older model if I ever take the plunge.
This is absolutely stunning! I really am considering this. What would elevate it for me, on the fly clasp adjustment and slightly less thickness. 20mm lug width would offer perfect daily driver too. Well done Oris!
Good review, solid watch and congrats Rob on a large brand working directly with you. Shows the strength of you as a presenter/spokesman, your audience and the community you've built around your channel. Cheers!
If I hadn’t just, and I mean just, pulled the trigger and gotten my grail watch, I would have been REALLY tempted by this Oris - great movement, well balanced, beautiful design, great heritage, perfect size (for me) - but alas.
Love the watch but for $3500.00 whatever quirk was going on with caliber 400 better have been resolved. If I set the time and push the crown in, it better not jump. The consumer should not have to do a "quick fix" just to set the time.
Tried the 41,5mm out at the Boutique, both watches had the jumping hand issue. Maybe it'll get sorted at one point. I've only ever had one watch with a similar problem, my Sinn 6000, but that only moved maybe half a minute.
It appears that if you wear the watch for like a week and hack the movement to re sync the time the movement also jumps when you stop the movement. Normally someone would just pull the crown and wait 10 or 15 seconds or whatever it takes and push the crown back in. Now you have to re set the time on this watch.
I love my 39.5mm green Aquis. And I know they can shoehorn that movement in that case, they did it with the new pointer date in 38mm (I think). Very cool watch, mine is my favorite by far.
Nice one Rob. Thank you for reviewing with the spin back time adjust to allay fears of the time jump and your are right this is probably the best way to set any watch as it takes up all the gear slack when you pop the crown back in. In 41.5mm I think I have to take a look. In the video the green would take pole position but it would be good to compare it side by side with the blue. As an independent manufacturer ORIS would have invested a fortune in this watch movement and for that combined with a 10 year service and warranty they must be pretty confident. Well done to ORIS.
Great watch, just wish it was less expensive. 3500 is alot of money, especially when brands like Ball and CW in house movements come in much less than what Oris charges.
@@christopherliang6879 Well, Oris's movements are more akin to Omega movements than Ball or Christopher Ward with their antimagnetic properties and custom design. So I guess that's where the cost goes. But still I just wish I can afford a caliber 400 watch lol.
problem with the warranty at least here in the USA is the watch goes to the watchmaker, not oris. i sent my 2018 aquis there twice for the same issue, and it is still doing it. i pull the crown out to wind it, push the crown back in, and the watch fails to start.(sw-200-1) love the watch, it has sentimental value to me( last gift i received from my mom before she passed) so whats a guy to do? warranty ends in october. i even tried Oris customer service and they referred me back the the watchmaker. sigh.
They've removed the 'pressure resistant' line from the dial, that is on the previous blue 43.5mm variant. Looks cleaner as a result. Well done Oris, keep up the charge 👍
Oris, great looking watches, little out of my price range right now with 5 kids and 2 in college. Rewatching The Sopranos and Oris made an appearance in season six, episode with Sir Ben Kingsley, The Luxury Lounge.
The only average thing about the old Aquis was its Sellita movement. Now they have this new in house its pretty well near perfect at this price, what's not to like?
Have owned many luxury swiss watches over the years including Ulysse, Rolex, Blancpain and I can tell you that nothing has the aesthetics of an Oris. The bracelet marriage to The case and how it just flows. The way the lugs hug the wrist. Shame there is no slide adjust on clasp and a bit glary , otherwise sublime.
Warning!!!!! If you only change the date on this watch it break easy af when you using the screw on the side of the watch. You can still change the date when you set the time on the watch. 😢
Oris got a raw deal with some of the coverage of this movement. Lots of watch brands have jiggle in the minutes hand setting unless you overshoot and move back.
@@RandomRobReviews I'll look into it. One more thing, when you put the watch on your wrist could you take your other hand and kinda pull the bracelet down a little tighter around your wrist? When it just drapes unsized like that it's kinda hard to get a feel for how it actually wears.
It is not the proper way. Omega, TAG Heuer, etc., they don't have this quirk. FWIW, I could care less what Oris says, its not a big deal to me. But don't say matter-of-fact when it is not the case. Don't care what your watchmaker says neither.
@@himmatgosal I have his exact watch. It is very green! Beautiful bright green and never black even in low light (except for the very outer edge and bezel).
Love to see this movement in a 39.5 also. My 39.5 and BB58s are my best fitting watches on my 6 5/8” wrist. If I see one of these 41.5 in an AD, it would be tempting…especially the black model
I owned the 39.5, sold it and now have the 41.5. I have 6.5 inch wrists. To me the 41.5 is the best looking of the Aquis line in terms of proportion. The 39.5 was off, kind of squat and fit a little odd, and wore really small
@@dorningarts to each his own. I’ve owned many large and small watches, entry level thru Rolex. My sweet spot is 39…which is why my BB58 is my favorite piece. What solidified my size preference are wrist shots pics. If you’re happy with a 42 on your 6.5”, that’s all that matters.
I don't mind industrial movement see-through cases at all as movements are meant to look industrial i.e. functional. I much preferred it when you could actually see a car engine in all its industrial glory, before they got hidden by 'fancy' branded plastic covers.
Great review on a good looking watch. I appreciate Oris but I just can’t get into them, they just do nothing for me. Thanks as always Rob for the excellent video.
I think for the most part their gorgeous and their price to quality is amazing but i just don't like the ORIS font and its stopping me from pulling the trigger. Id like to see a different font or a logo.
Noticed the minute hand jumps when you pull the crown out to hack (not the first time, but it did the 2nd time). That is a problem because one can't synchronize a fast running watch without losing their minute setting. Is there a way to prevent that?
Does someone know if there is actually a green dial oris at 43.5mm calibre 400? On their website they have only 41.5mm. Although I could find only in 1 online store having 43.5mm with green dial on mr porter, while they even confirmed its 43.5. Authorised dealers all said oris does not produce the watch in green at 43.5 so dont even know... Thanks a lot
Is it just me or does the date window treatment look better on the cheaper SW-200 equipped Aquis models? They have a lumed hour marker on the date window. You spend the extra dough to buy the in-house version and just get a naked date window with a dot of lume.
No matter what will they try to improve, these ugly lugs will always keep this watch unattractive, to me at least. And the price? Sorry Oris, you aren't there and you shouldn't.
@@anthonyonline4740 so how what I wrote about Oris makes me "less knowing"? I think that Oris price should be around 1k based in their quality and brand strength. The new calibre, although being great, doesn't justify the 3.5k.
I don’t understand the the hype with oris ! Yes they make decent watches ( I have two ) both run way to slow, I would never buy another oris watch, I have many other watch brands that are a lot better value for money and built just as good and even better in most cases. Sorry oris fans but way overpriced for what you get
I have owned a lot of divers, and now have the Aquis 41.5, blows anything out of the water under $2000 ( I have the older model, not this one), now this new one is expensive, but I would take it over a Tudor, which is less of a watch fro more money
@@mr_watchaddict3146 hi mark, I am not sure to be honest, they are both big crown pro pilot one is the day date the other is just the date version no other complications
That's a nice looking watch and it looks great on your wrist. Oris has been on fire lately. They've really stepped up their game. Wish Alpina would do the same.
Just purchased this watch. Very well made and simply gorgeous!
Out of all the watches out there this is my grail.
Can definitely understand that!
I can certainly understand why…
Drink out of it
Me too! I am thinking of getting this as my wedding 'ring' and then getting a relatively cheap actual ring.
I want this exact watch and a Mr Belvedere desk lamp!
Have you acquired it yet? :)
Oris Aquis Calibre 400 43.5 green color is a great watch beyond spectacular🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great review thank you. The only feature missing from this on the fly fine adjustment clasp so that you don’t need any tools. That is a critical feature when your wrist expands in humid temperatures.
The rubber strap accessory band has that feature and would probably be better in the humid conditions your referencing. It’s a pricey addition but the reviews on the rubber band are great
amazing, my favorite aquis ever. they nailed it
Incredible movement in an incredible looking watch. The hulk variant is my favourite also.
Hey Bob, BELEIVE you are working with them; they obviously respect your work as much as you do theirs, as I and many others do too! Great combo of technical, opinion and 'personal'. Over here in the UK I'd bet a few 'quid' I'm not alone in thinking that! Keep it up geezer!
I have one problem with what is an exceptional watch.
No matter how much enthusiasts might deny it, there's a part of buying a watch that is down to image and status.
This Oris is to all intents, identical to the standard Aquis.
Usually, the premium price is justified by case polish, the quality of the bracelet etc...but this does not apply here.
The mechanism and performance of the watch is really good, but if I'm paying a premium price, I'm going to want a premium looking product. I'm not sure if I could justify paying the extra, no matter how good it's mechanical heart may be....but it's a really interesting watch.
Have to agree with this as much as I like Oris as a brand. I think the stock Aquis is a good value proposition if you can buy it with a decent AD discount. I've owned 4 different Aquis (and 2 Oris chronos) in the past, but have now sold them all and moved on to other brands since. I'm generally only interested in their limited editions these days, I particularly like the Aquis Whale Shark GMT.
I agree. The price kind of shocked me. Great watch, but I no thanks at that price. I've handled several watches from the brand but never owned one. I guess it will be an older model if I ever take the plunge.
I have the 43mm black Aquis and love it ! Such a well built comfortable watch
Love the anthracite dial one. So tempted!
I have 6.7" wrist. I rock the 43.5mm without any issues. Love it. I saw rob on the dial. That's rare.
that's good to know, i have a7.25" wrist and i was concerned about the 43.5 mm being too big. although i've read that the aquis wears small.
It fits very well on most wrists, as it basically doesn't have lugs, the 43.5mm is deceptive
It does wear well. I have same size wrist and I wear the 39.5 but could definatley go larger.
@@jh-il5sb there are a lot of guys and girls have small wrist ( under7inch) prefer to wear big watches . i think they are cute and childlike .
This is absolutely stunning! I really am considering this. What would elevate it for me, on the fly clasp adjustment and slightly less thickness. 20mm lug width would offer perfect daily driver too. Well done Oris!
Great video, I just picked up this exact model from an AD on eBay for 2200👌🏻
Good review, solid watch and congrats Rob on a large brand working directly with you. Shows the strength of you as a presenter/spokesman, your audience and the community you've built around your channel. Cheers!
True that!
Nice collaboration. Congrats Rob! 😃👍🏻
Fantastic watch. Simple, efficient and the specs are spot on 🙂
If I hadn’t just, and I mean just, pulled the trigger and gotten my grail watch, I would have been REALLY tempted by this Oris - great movement, well balanced, beautiful design, great heritage, perfect size (for me) - but alas.
I love that green. I eventually need to add one to my collection. Keep up the good work.
Love the watch but for $3500.00 whatever quirk was going on with caliber 400 better have been resolved. If I set the time and push the crown in, it better not jump. The consumer should not have to do a "quick fix" just to set the time.
I agree 100%
Exactly, there should be no such workarounds needed for that kind of money. It's just not good enough.
Tried the 41,5mm out at the Boutique, both watches had the jumping hand issue. Maybe it'll get sorted at one point. I've only ever had one watch with a similar problem, my Sinn 6000, but that only moved maybe half a minute.
It appears that if you wear the watch for like a week and hack the movement to re sync the time the movement also jumps when you stop the movement. Normally someone would just pull the crown and wait 10 or 15 seconds or whatever it takes and push the crown back in. Now you have to re set the time on this watch.
A dream watch. Goodjob Oris
A thing of beauty 😍.
Sweet piece - especially with that green colorway 😍
Looks like a miniature version of my 43.5mm Aquis Date model, which I love.
Great review 👊
I love my 39.5mm green Aquis. And I know they can shoehorn that movement in that case, they did it with the new pointer date in 38mm (I think). Very cool watch, mine is my favorite by far.
If they went with a time only version it would be perfect in the 39.5 case.
That dial color is really nice and the movement is gorgeous.
Nice one Rob. Thank you for reviewing with the spin back time adjust to allay fears of the time jump and your are right this is probably the best way to set any watch as it takes up all the gear slack when you pop the crown back in. In 41.5mm I think I have to take a look. In the video the green would take pole position but it would be good to compare it side by side with the blue. As an independent manufacturer ORIS would have invested a fortune in this watch movement and for that combined with a 10 year service and warranty they must be pretty confident. Well done to ORIS.
Have the same Watch, i love it
This is the best watch for the money imo. 43.5 for me but still that's it.
Great watch, just wish it was less expensive. 3500 is alot of money, especially when brands like Ball and CW in house movements come in much less than what Oris charges.
the 5 day power reserve on the cal 400 is just amazing tho
For that level of movement no it is not expensive
@@christopherliang6879 Well, Oris's movements are more akin to Omega movements than Ball or Christopher Ward with their antimagnetic properties and custom design. So I guess that's where the cost goes. But still I just wish I can afford a caliber 400 watch lol.
@@taehokang2551 the CW SH21 in house movement has 5 day's power reserve as well, and a cosc certificate.
@@davids.2317 im sure it lacks in the quality department
OMG that green is awesome.
Great watch, great review.
Oris is on to something.
Greetings from Germany.
problem with the warranty at least here in the USA is the watch goes to the watchmaker, not oris. i sent my 2018 aquis there twice for the same issue, and it is still doing it. i pull the crown out to wind it, push the crown back in, and the watch fails to start.(sw-200-1) love the watch, it has sentimental value to me( last gift i received from my mom before she passed) so whats a guy to do? warranty ends in october. i even tried Oris customer service and they referred me back the the watchmaker. sigh.
What did they say they fixed both times? Sounds like a hacking lever issue
Good looking watch. But I also consider the Red one.
This is the best green I've seen on a diver. Much prefer it over the Hulk.
+ it's available + it costs only 1/4th of the price. I'm hyping up on it, not sure which color to go, the light blue one is also mesmerizing...
They've removed the 'pressure resistant' line from the dial, that is on the previous blue 43.5mm variant. Looks cleaner as a result. Well done Oris, keep up the charge 👍
Oris, great looking watches, little out of my price range right now with 5 kids and 2 in college. Rewatching The Sopranos and Oris made an appearance in season six, episode with Sir Ben Kingsley, The Luxury Lounge.
Sweet, finally cal400 in size i prefere. Will keep an 👁 on secondary market 😄
OMG, another green stunner!
This is a beautiful watch
The only average thing about the old Aquis was its Sellita movement. Now they have this new in house its pretty well near perfect at this price, what's not to like?
I’ve heard that, albeit being “in house”, it’s made by some third part company for Oris. But I might be mistaken.
Great review. I have the 39.5mm
Screwdrivers: 1mm, or I have the Wiha 1.2mm and it works fine.
Love this piece. Just can’t stand the polishing on the bracelet :/ would love to see Oris release a fully brushed bracelet as an option.
I owned the aquis and send it to my watchmaker who completely brushed the bracelet and the lugs
Amazing movement. Looks like it's configured for a quick switch to other models, too - everything behind the rotor smacks of a hand wind.
Have owned many luxury swiss watches over the years including Ulysse, Rolex, Blancpain and I can tell you that nothing has the aesthetics of an Oris. The bracelet marriage to The case and how it just flows. The way the lugs hug the wrist. Shame there is no slide adjust on clasp and a bit glary , otherwise sublime.
Most of my dive watches have lumed bezels-ya gotta ask 😎!
I was considering this one and the Tudor Black Bay. I'm finally convinced this is the right way to go. Time to start saving up!
I’m exactly in the same situation
@@HandlewithcareVibes I love the fact that you can see the movement with the Oris.
@@betog.6229 indeed; that said I’m now intrigued by the Squale 39 sub
Warning!!!!! If you only change the date on this watch it break easy af when you using the screw on the side of the watch. You can still change the date when you set the time on the watch. 😢
Oris got a raw deal with some of the coverage of this movement. Lots of watch brands have jiggle in the minutes hand setting unless you overshoot and move back.
A dodgy $30 homage off ebay has a bit of jiggle ... A $3500 watch however should have none of these problems!
support, all the best
How freaking awesome is Oris?!?
I've never had to set any of my watches like that nor have I ever heard of that prior to these new in-house calibers from Oris.
Check with some watchmakers, this is a legit thing. Not exclusive to Oris.
@@RandomRobReviews I'll look into it. One more thing, when you put the watch on your wrist could you take your other hand and kinda pull the bracelet down a little tighter around your wrist? When it just drapes unsized like that it's kinda hard to get a feel for how it actually wears.
It’s the proper way. Plus, it just makes sense mechanically.
It is not the proper way. Omega, TAG Heuer, etc., they don't have this quirk. FWIW, I could care less what Oris says, its not a big deal to me. But don't say matter-of-fact when it is not the case. Don't care what your watchmaker says neither.
I have the green 39mm with a selita. It's beautiful and I even bought the same in blue but for 3k I would get a Tudor or Omega.
Does the green look greener in person ? Or is it as dark/almost-black as it seems on the camera?
@@himmatgosal in low light it seems black but get a little light on it and it's a jewel.
No you cant get an Omega with 3k.... with ceramic bezel and this mechanism...
@@dimitrisaltanis4451 not brand new but I got a lightly used aqua terra for under 3k.
@@himmatgosal I have his exact watch. It is very green! Beautiful bright green and never black even in low light (except for the very outer edge and bezel).
Oris watches are so great. I would take this over a Rolex.
I do get where you are coming from
These are awesome. Might pick one up, green, on the rubberrr
Oris please add tool free clasp adjustment, but also keep the diver’s extension! No on the titanium
Nooooo Rob, as good as it is it ain't a Omega so less I'm afraid. Keep up the good stuff 👍🏴
Awesome overview. Just one thing, there's no such thing as an "indicey". Two indices, one INDEX. Keep up the great work!
Thanks. Just one thing, I will continue to destroy the English language.
@@RandomRobReviews lol!
Live the green
Great watch, but love one with a power reserve dial.
Love to see this movement in a 39.5 also. My 39.5 and BB58s are my best fitting watches on my 6 5/8” wrist. If I see one of these 41.5 in an AD, it would be tempting…especially the black model
I owned the 39.5, sold it and now have the 41.5. I have 6.5 inch wrists. To me the 41.5 is the best looking of the Aquis line in terms of proportion. The 39.5 was off, kind of squat and fit a little odd, and wore really small
@@dorningarts to each his own. I’ve owned many large and small watches, entry level thru Rolex. My sweet spot is 39…which is why my BB58 is my favorite piece. What solidified my size preference are wrist shots pics. If you’re happy with a 42 on your 6.5”, that’s all that matters.
@@patrickr6297 I understand. To me the 41.5 wears like a 40, not 42
Now do the 39.5 Models....Oris
I don't mind industrial movement see-through cases at all as movements are meant to look industrial i.e. functional. I much preferred it when you could actually see a car engine in all its industrial glory, before they got hidden by 'fancy' branded plastic covers.
At last the right size for me. Seen as how you love the 43.5mm wanna buy mine?
Beauty
That is a darling
Oris pls make a navy blue bezel, white dial and blued hands n indices
I have the blue one
The one thing I don’t like is that the bezel seems so much darker than the dial.
I believe you want to use a 1.2mm flat head for the bracelet screws.
Great review on a good looking watch. I appreciate Oris but I just can’t get into them, they just do nothing for me. Thanks as always Rob for the excellent video.
I see the bezel is green but looks black at a distance
I like the watch. I'd prefer a solid caseback.
I think for the most part their gorgeous and their price to quality is amazing but i just don't like the ORIS font and its stopping me from pulling the trigger. Id like to see a different font or a logo.
It’s a lucky watch 🎰
The dial looks like a brighter green than the older green Aquis. Is that correct ?
Noticed the minute hand jumps when you pull the crown out to hack (not the first time, but it did the 2nd time). That is a problem because one can't synchronize a fast running watch without losing their minute setting. Is there a way to prevent that?
That is a great question, and unfortunately in that situation the answer is no.
The date at the 6 o'clock. No.
Does someone know if there is actually a green dial oris at 43.5mm calibre 400? On their website they have only 41.5mm.
Although I could find only in 1 online store having 43.5mm with green dial on mr porter, while they even confirmed its 43.5. Authorised dealers all said oris does not produce the watch in green at 43.5 so dont even know...
Thanks a lot
Yes now there is 43.5mm in green too
It almost looks like there's blue AR on both inside and outside. Is this true?
Is it just me or does the date window treatment look better on the cheaper SW-200 equipped Aquis models? They have a lumed hour marker on the date window. You spend the extra dough to buy the in-house version and just get a naked date window with a dot of lume.
New Grail watch
43.5 for me
I need this movement, in green, on titanium, in 43.5mm. Oris is killing me. Wanna spend money soooo bad
Ditto
hi, how much of their weight?
NOT COSC certified, which makes you wonder why not for a swiss watch
You can have a regulated movement with out cosc. Honestly cosc is just a money grab
Is this sponsored. I hate when companys give products to reviewers and then they give a bias review.
Nope
Nice watch crazy price and faulty movement. But apart from that quests it’s ok
Hate how oris uses their own propriatary straps, you can't buy any straps unless it's thru them.
I love it
This or the SMP 300?
I own an aquis and it's great. But it's no omega!!
IMO this watch ticks many technical boxes but lacks charm and character. Just looks like a big hunk of soulless metal on the wrist no subtlety.
Hmm… not really. Aquis is well established in the watch market and it has many fans.
This movement has flaws, when setting the time and pushing in the crown the minut hand jumps, it shows a real problems with the watch.
This movement is great. Plus 10 year warranty
No matter what will they try to improve, these ugly lugs will always keep this watch unattractive, to me at least. And the price? Sorry Oris, you aren't there and you shouldn't.
@@anthonyonline4740 you know me and my knowledge so well, that's cute :)
@@anthonyonline4740 so how what I wrote about Oris makes me "less knowing"? I think that Oris price should be around 1k based in their quality and brand strength. The new calibre, although being great, doesn't justify the 3.5k.
@@technoboy21 $1000? Have you ever owned an Aquis? The Sellita version is the best under$2000 diver out there
@@anthonyonline4740 LOL!
@@anthonyonline4740 2 idiots chatting, I won't disturb you.
He had me til he said $3500. And I'm seeing there are quality issues sorry I'll pass.
Give me nice hands, and we have a deal...
I don’t understand the the hype with oris ! Yes they make decent watches ( I have two ) both run way to slow, I would never buy another oris watch, I have many other watch brands that are a lot better value for money and built just as good and even better in most cases. Sorry oris fans but way overpriced for what you get
For that money, get a Tudor bb58, simple better watch!!
@@Sef211 👍 absolutely ! I have a 58 and a 41 both much better watches
I have owned a lot of divers, and now have the Aquis 41.5, blows anything out of the water under $2000 ( I have the older model, not this one), now this new one is expensive, but I would take it over a Tudor, which is less of a watch fro more money
Do your slow running watches both use the 400 movement, or are they the SW300?
@@mr_watchaddict3146 hi mark, I am not sure to be honest, they are both big crown pro pilot one is the day date the other is just the date version no other complications
The way the bracellet tapers is just awful, looks like a ladies watch. Have to see it live to realize how narrow the bracellet it is
too small
THX BRO LOOKING AT LONGINES ULTRA CHRONE AND THIS LOVE THEM BOTH
But it is oris..... the king is rolex
That's a nice looking watch and it looks great on your wrist.
Oris has been on fire lately. They've really stepped up their game.
Wish Alpina would do the same.