Old games feel a lot more realistic and old-school to play while Snowrunner has taken a bit of a modern approach which isn't bad but doesn't suit it very well, especially the old trucks
What does "modern approach" mean? SR is more flashy, better graphics, bigger maps but it's a sheer downgrade in physics, truck body physics, sounds and all the other stuff mentioned in the vid. In my mind a more modern game has even better physics, not worse.
@TawJev haven't played expeditions but I've played Mudrunner. Personally things like frame flex etc. which people complain about being missing in SR isn't given a second thought by me. I just enjoy the hauling, period. Issues do exist, we just perceive their importance differently.
As someone who played the OG games and Snowrunner, my biggest problem is the lack of weight. You can see in those crashes how unrealistic trucks react to suddent changes of weight distribution in SR. Driving small vehicles in the OG games was so much better because they actually grip. Because of this, you can also gain some speed on regular roads, not fearing the vehicle is going to tip over or doing something strange because of the lack of weight and grip. Honestly the sounds too are so annoying in SR. The Mastodon dlc is such a downgrade. Those old soviet commie giants deserve way better sounds. Its shocking to me, that they have all those audio files in their power. In the end, MudRunner was published by Saber... why can't they just borrow the good sounds from MudRunner? I quit using the Mastodon after a while because I just hate how it makes that "roar" sound in a loop when you change gear. Many trucks have this awful loop that repeats and goes forever.... Very nice video SD1
That's something I also find very annoying. Cool and very good truck, but very underwhelming and also the fact that it has a custom water tank but not log or fuel tank is super annoying.
Thank you, SD1ONE ! I am very glad that many people appreciate the old games for their pleasant and very valuable little things in physics, graphics and sounds! Spintires and MudRunner - the Best Games Foreverrr !
Mudrunner it's more realistic, the trucks are heavier and don't bounce, in snowrunner the trucks are very light, they look like cars or vehicles from GTA.
I really miss the logging crane from old games. The grip was much more firm, the camera wasnt finicky, and there was a good light. And I realised that SR dont actually have any transmission options for wheels. Sooo lame, MR had 8 gears to setup.
Yeah, the older games were basically a passion project of their creator, Pavel, snowrunner is made by a big company, so they often don't care about the details, ship the stuff quick, charge for it, if it works, dont fix it, etc. I've been hoping to get addons that can match the color of the truck, but they are too lazy to even do that.....
@SD1ONE that's right, Pavel as lead dev. He kept their laziness and money hungry tendencies at bay. As soon as he was gone, boom, lazy tactics started. Snowrunner is out for what? 5 years now and quite successful, but they still can't bother to at least make 1, ONE set of Russian styled add-ons for the eastern trucks...
to me it seems unlikely that Snowrunner itself would adopt any of these changes, they'd be welcome but so many people are already used to how the game currently is, however if we were to get a Mudrunner 3 (or whatever they end up calling it) i definitely hope the developers take some of the criticism from this video and apply it to this theoretical new game, who knows i might just play it more
All excellent excellent points, SR is more flashy, but at it's core, physics, truck dynamics, truck flex, they way the truck interacts with the mud, sounds, Mudrunner is the better game, truck feels more alive/real, while in SR it's like the are RC trucks made of plastic, the cranes were better in MR as well. Mudrunner had less budget, but SR had less attention to detail.
I don't think many know but MR and SR used different game engines, MR uses an evolved version of what Spintires ueed (the one developed by the original dev), while SR uses Saber Interactive's own (most likely upgraded with knowledge and code from ST/MR's engine). The Saber Interactive one is called Swarm Engine and it's the same engine (not the same versions obviously) used in World War Z and W40K: Space Marine II. That's part of the reason why some of the physics are not exactly the same. The devs either didn't bother tweaking the engine's physics and gameworld to suit the more advanced predecessor, or the new engine (in it's release date format at least) wasn't capable of doing such things. It's most likely the former tho. As for the (often missing) sounds and the lack of simple gameplay elements like packing your long logs trailer... that's just the publisher/dev BS of skimping out on any content they can to reduce the costs of developing the game, nothing more nothing less.
It's not compelty Swarn engine but Swarn with mix of old Havok engine that Spintires & Mudrunner had. It is possible to achieve decent result with SR engine as well because modders did great job making the trucks similar to old games...I think it all depends on vision of the lead dev & corporate bosses.
I fogot to mention winching point...yes In MR you can connect winch on same tree from different point on truck without disconnecting winch....hard to explain but It was different...also the winching felt great in old games because of truck weight.
It really shows how much of an improvement to the actual progression and gameplay Snowrunner had when it could lose so many details and still end up better.
@ While driving at a decent speed in auto gear and truck "crashes" on nothing while on asphalt you always get 6 dmg on tire and 15 on suspension. It's the most common stupid damage that occurs due to physics, so 6/15 damage sends its regards :D
I agree with the foldable long log trailer set, was disappointed to not see it working and ended up looking for mods instead and the fact snow doesn't get stuck on the tires in snowrunner and also mud
SnowRunner is in many ways an improvement on its predecessors, but there were quite a few compromises and tradeoffs done in the process and it's also "dumbed down" to appeal to wider audience. For example: * New cargo system was introduced, but in order to have fixed locations of cargo relative to the whole truck/trailer chassis, we lost the chassis flexing. * The controls were changed such that they focus primarily on controllers and the keyboard and mouse are now the alternative option and many controls were simplified to make the game "more approachable", meaning that we lost a lot of controls that were available previously. The trend of "dumbing down" games to attract more players was very popular around the time of SnowRunner release, but many developers/publishers have since realized that this doesn't really work and that the majority of players for certain genres of games seek challenge and simulators are really one of such genres. This is IMHO the reason why there hasn't been much excitement for the Expeditions among the Spintires series fans as that game is in many ways even further simplification of SnowRunner. I know most of the dev team of 3DIVISION, who realized based on the player feedback during the early access of their "Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic" game (city builder and logistics sim with the theme of Soviet era - planned economy, architecture, vehicles and everything else), that the vast majority of the players turn most if not all the difficulty settings to maximum, which was the exact opposite of what they were expecting, and based on player feedback, they introduced even harder game mode before releasing the game.
Physics definitely need sorted. Fix rebound damping so there actually is some. Reduce opposing force when objects penetrate terrain - seems like the deeper you clip in the greater the force kicking you out. Hence the glitch throws and crash bounce back
exactly but that won't make them any money and it would require time, effort & money from devs...I would even like to pay for such features but not all people would.
SR needs all these transplanted over desperately...But it's been 2 years since next gen update and we have seen nothing yet. The heavy weight physics & suspension flex is needed most, followed by the very basic controller vibration/rumble motor support we had in MR.
5:39 They do have engine misfires, but it seems to be exclusively for heavy engine damage on all vehicles (IIRC it sounds the same on all vehicles be it the little beetle, or the 612H)
That Engine Damage misfire is seperate thing which is same for old games as well but Spintires trucks misfires even when they've 0 damage. It just gives us a feeling that truck is old.
I think they also messed up winching other trucks. In snow runner the winched truck points wherever the front wheels are to the leading truck. If I remember correctly mud runner had the winched truck follow the same path as the leading truck. You could also control the steering left or right from the advanced menu.
in older games like spin tires and mudrunner the fun was that when you got stuck you had a chance to get out of the mud without winch or other vechile, and the gear shifter also, but in snowrunner its gone ((((
Yes, It feels like you're in control that your input matters...In SR if you're stuck you're stuck, you've to winch...Although It's realistic in that matter but there's no fun in it.
@@SD1ONE no (( in reality even when yu sat on axles you have some chance to get out (not every time but not never like in sr) last thing is to do i think is modded mr
i'm really enjoying playing SR (i didn't played a lot of spin tires/mudrunner, like 3 hours max) and now i just finished alaska yesterday, but I do remember that few things we're better in the old games, 100% the sound of the vehicles, I literally play SR listening to some music everytime because the sound of the trucks are awful. Let's hope for some improve in the next game (RoadCraft) BTW love your videos and also love the game even with a lot of issues lmao
BTW they did the SR more simple to sell it more, different than the old games that even me that grow up playing automotive games didn't played that much because of everything (hud, extreme physics, textures etc)
I was thinking the exact same yesterday when i wanted a truck with fuel that doesn't flip as easy, but with the normal fuel tank in the game all trucks get top heavy, unlike the one in Mudrunner found on soviet trucks, sadly i didn't find any mods that give me the soviet fuel tank for vanilla trucks in SR.
@@SD1ONE yes, i know it's much more than only the different fuel tanks and that i could fix the flipping problem with other trucks/trailer, but it was funny how i was so annoyed with it and the next day you posted this video.
I mostly miss the old engine and the weight it gives trucks, in stone runner stuff bounces around like toys and it takes the immersion out of the game. The trucks also slip and slide about like they are not connected to the road in reality. I was very excited when snowrunner announced the terrain physics improvements but even the way get ground breaks in the old games is so much more realistic and better. I hope maybe they’ll divide the series into a more Arcady and a more sim based games rather than just arcade
@ yeah that would be a fantastic idea but hard to implement I imaging due to having the physics have the ability to change in the game. Still though having difficulties like arcade, regular, sim, and ultra sim (ultra sim would be like the hard mode in snowrunner now I imagine but with the better physics) would be fantastic. They should hire you lol
@@spoolysnail32 Lol...I am just a guy making videos, I know nothing about coding & stuff...they should bring back the original creator Pavel who in my opinion has great vision which we saw in both Mudrunner & Spintires...He would be the right guy to lead Snowrunner Sequel IMO.
Wholly agree with all of this. I love Snowrunner but there’s no doubt that it was “dumbed down” to allow compatibility with consoles. I know the latter is a huge market, but itmis a shame. I especially agree about the sound. Real opportunity missed.
do you think they will make a new mud runner / snow runner game ? i hope they do. personally i wouldn't even bother me if they keep the same maps they have now just mash mud runner and snow runner. all the mud runner maps and snow runner maps in one big game with a whole bunch improvements.
Spintires and Snowrunner are like GTA4 and GTA5... the newer games are supposedly cooler and better, but the boxed vehicle physics make me want to go back to the older game.
I mean the towing, for the love of god, that thing is the most annoying in sr. In mr you could gas the truck towed/towing and in sr it’s just soooo slow af that theres really no point towing anything….
Actually the tucks were slow in Mudrunner & therefore you couldn't notice the truck slowing down while towing but In SR trucks are very fast but the speed of towing is slow...It's same thing when you transiut from a speedy highway to a lower speed limit road.
@@newportlord Roadcraft is a side title like Expeditions, it's not meant to be the next big sequel and so it's not expected to sell incredibly well. They are kinda like side projects to test out new mechanics and whatever is received well will be implemented into a proper sequel game in the future.
Is anyone else really excited for RoadCraft.. while at the same time, kinda nervous. That's like my GTA 6 this year, if it actually releases this year. I hope it's good.
I think they should not just add cruise but improve on it as well...In MR once you activate cruise your camera is locked which SR could imrprove because In that way you can relax and enjoy the surroundings.
Is there something wrong with Saber? We are waiting for a long time fo 15 sezon - they have no motivation because sales went down? Or maybe they have already focused on Roadcraft?
I think they've a lot on their plate right now...There's new game Roadcraft as well as updates for Expeditions but I am sure they won't abandon SR as it's their milk cow.
This is exactly why I became more and more frustrated with SR over time and finally deinstalled it. They pump out new seasons like no tomorrow but forget to improve the actual game quality. Now I play Mudrunner with Atdega Mod 7.5 which is more pleasant to me.
In SR it only happens when truck's Engine damaged below a thereshold...That is there in all 3 games but spintires old trucks does it even when truck in without damage.
I think even MR was a bit downgrade to Spintires in some aspect...SR is actually a great game but If it adops all the good from old games...It would be best in franchise.
It more of a time preset like moring, evening, etc...while Spintires had like proper clock to select exact time you want...Again it's just little thing not a must have.
@SD1ONE no , i mean turn signals or idicators and hazard lights (that triangle symble button in cars) They is no turn signal in game, i know it us offroad game not city driving but it would be cool if add to game
In sr i need beter sound and manual transmission, automatic have one of the worst gear shift codes I've ever seen in a game... Old physics would be nice too
From visuals to gameplay, mechanics to addons, MudRunner is better than SnowRunner. SnowRunner feels much more arcade-like, whereas the atmosphere in MudRunner is more realistic, and tire behavior in the mud feels more accurate
К сожалению я не смогу передать все разочарование, которое я испытываю от того факта, что на самом деле разработчикам плевать на фанатов игры. Они добавляют контент ради контента, но все те проблемы, какие были при запуске игры так и остались. Проблема с камерой, лебедкой, физикой, камнями, уроном, оптимизацией и банальной настройки для руля. Они только клепают новые карты и машинки, забив болт на реальные недоработки, которые мы все так ждали что будут исправлены. Поэтому когда я захожу в игру спустя 5 лет после запуска и вижу кучу новых ДЛС, но ни одного глобального исправления, то мне становится действительно грустно
Instead of new "Seasons" they should really just buckle down and do a "Quality of Life" update with a lot of the points you made in this video. Especially for a paid game. SR seems very beta and not fully fleshed out
I feel like a lot of these changes have been made but there in Expedition's. Mudrunner couldn't sync multiplayer physic & even some sounds between players & due to SnowRunner's size they couldn't nail the feel & physics but was still a massive hit Snowrunner is kind of a downgraded version of Mudrunner but with stupid amounts of mission's & physics objects in the map's cargo fencing debris yes even the missions around the map meaning they couldn't have both Snowrunner but with Mudrunner's awesome physic's I hope they patch Snowrunner get the Multiplayer working good finish out whatever DLC they have & call it done It's still the best game in its own way finding the right balance just look at expeditions it's an awesome game as a concept now we have a lot more than just logging mission's thanks' to SnowRunner this .....errr Reboot of Mudrunner is just a little to repetitive fun at 1st & it's hard as hell I enjoy it but even I find myself getting fed up Now just all of us Rember Sabre have leant a LOT from these game's what work's Mudrunner how much is too much Snowrunner just look at the multiplayer stop pumping out DLC & just start fixing it will take year's to finish playing this game & what's too ambitious Expedition's ROADCRAFT SHOULD BE AMAZING GIVEN ALL OF THIS EXPERENCE THEY'VE HAD.
I pretty much only use certain modded trucks that feel like the mudrunner vehicles have actual weight flex good suspension models and actual tires pretty much all the base trucks have little to no flex of suspension or frame rubber band looking leaf springs and hopping tires at speed or turning also models are very shit.
The worse part is they never touched base game trucks after release but the good thing is that some DLC trucks are done right like Step Pike, Crocodile, etc which makes me kind of hopeful for the sequel of Snowrunner.
I think sr devs only care about money and making cashgrab dlc's rather than quality of life improvements, they said they will add better wheel support and manual gearbox but that never happend, just empty promises...
Bro, SD1ONE did not fall off, his content needs a while to get going. He is doing some of the best work in the Spintires, mudrunner, and snowrunner communities.
Well well new gen like snowrunner and expeditions mudrunner reason they heave big map and good graphics thats it but the old heave real life physic and real life experiences i m truck driver and also crane 🏗️ operator i daily face many things like spintires and mudrunner i work near the jungle grabbing som Stone and broken tree 🌲 so i heave the same experience in thease 2 games well its my opinion😶😊
Old games feel a lot more realistic and old-school to play while Snowrunner has taken a bit of a modern approach which isn't bad but doesn't suit it very well, especially the old trucks
Both games are great but Snowrunner wins for sheer content to me. I play Snowrunner almost daily.
@ Yes content & various improvements are there but All that comes at cost of authenticity & feel which was peresent in old games.
What does "modern approach" mean? SR is more flashy, better graphics, bigger maps but it's a sheer downgrade in physics, truck body physics, sounds and all the other stuff mentioned in the vid. In my mind a more modern game has even better physics, not worse.
@@shalindelta7 I love Snowrunner too, but I wish it had some features presented in old games and in Expeditions.
@TawJev haven't played expeditions but I've played Mudrunner. Personally things like frame flex etc. which people complain about being missing in SR isn't given a second thought by me. I just enjoy the hauling, period. Issues do exist, we just perceive their importance differently.
As someone who played the OG games and Snowrunner, my biggest problem is the lack of weight. You can see in those crashes how unrealistic trucks react to suddent changes of weight distribution in SR. Driving small vehicles in the OG games was so much better because they actually grip. Because of this, you can also gain some speed on regular roads, not fearing the vehicle is going to tip over or doing something strange because of the lack of weight and grip. Honestly the sounds too are so annoying in SR. The Mastodon dlc is such a downgrade. Those old soviet commie giants deserve way better sounds. Its shocking to me, that they have all those audio files in their power. In the end, MudRunner was published by Saber... why can't they just borrow the good sounds from MudRunner? I quit using the Mastodon after a while because I just hate how it makes that "roar" sound in a loop when you change gear. Many trucks have this awful loop that repeats and goes forever.... Very nice video SD1
That's something I also find very annoying. Cool and very good truck, but very underwhelming and also the fact that it has a custom water tank but not log or fuel tank is super annoying.
do you happen to know any mods that can fix the stupid sound in SR ?
Thank you, SD1ONE ! I am very glad that many people appreciate the old games for their pleasant and very valuable little things in physics, graphics and sounds! Spintires and MudRunner - the Best Games Foreverrr !
The Spintires trucks sound so meaty.
It does...I love the sound of Spintires out of all 3 games.
i swear they got downgraded from before though
I agree 100% with you. Trucks that we can find on maps should be "terrain ready", not always with highway tires, without raised suspension etc...
Yes...they always spawn bare bone trucks on map....they should upgrade them atleast half way with tires that are lesser used like allterrain, etc.
i just lost my mudrunenr and snowrunner addiction now you brought it back thanks a lot
Mudrunner it's more realistic, the trucks are heavier and don't bounce, in snowrunner the trucks are very light, they look like cars or vehicles from GTA.
Just imagine if Snowrunner had all these details from the old games it would have been the perfect off road game.
exactly..its a shae they've to let go of those details for new stuff
I really miss the logging crane from old games.
The grip was much more firm, the camera wasnt finicky, and there was a good light. And I realised that SR dont actually have any transmission options for wheels. Sooo lame, MR had 8 gears to setup.
Yeah, the older games were basically a passion project of their creator, Pavel, snowrunner is made by a big company, so they often don't care about the details, ship the stuff quick, charge for it, if it works, dont fix it, etc.
I've been hoping to get addons that can match the color of the truck, but they are too lazy to even do that.....
MR was also made by saber with Pavel as lead dev...
@SD1ONE that's right, Pavel as lead dev. He kept their laziness and money hungry tendencies at bay. As soon as he was gone, boom, lazy tactics started. Snowrunner is out for what? 5 years now and quite successful, but they still can't bother to at least make 1, ONE set of Russian styled add-ons for the eastern trucks...
Great video as always! Iagree 100% with you. Engine sound in Spintires is unbeatable!
Spintires with SR Content and visuals would be the Game to Play! Spintires is still my favorite game despite having more hours in SR
No. of hours we can't compare...Spintires is basic but SR is filled with content which automatically count for hours..
Snowrunner goes quantity over quality sadly. It’s still a good game, but nowadays I prefer mods vehicles over vanilla ones because of that.
to me it seems unlikely that Snowrunner itself would adopt any of these changes, they'd be welcome but so many people are already used to how the game currently is, however if we were to get a Mudrunner 3 (or whatever they end up calling it) i definitely hope the developers take some of the criticism from this video and apply it to this theoretical new game, who knows i might just play it more
Of-course...In present SR, doing all those changes would mess things up but hopefully devs could implement them in future game.
I like Spintires and Mudrunner so much, thanks for the content!
Love the different trailers for different regions, very good.
7:09
I feel like in SR as of late, that daytime hours are so little. I swear I did the entire North Carolina map in complete darkness. Its depressing.
All excellent excellent points, SR is more flashy, but at it's core, physics, truck dynamics, truck flex, they way the truck interacts with the mud, sounds, Mudrunner is the better game, truck feels more alive/real, while in SR it's like the are RC trucks made of plastic, the cranes were better in MR as well. Mudrunner had less budget, but SR had less attention to detail.
SR is good game..my intent is not to critize it but yes some compromises are made.
Multi player lobby list, how mudrunner allows you to look at what lobbies are available. rather than just letting the game choose for you in S/R
The amount of times I go to find a game just to be kicked instantly and the game keeps trying to put me in the same lobby is fucking annoying.
The amount of times I go to find a game just to be kicked instantly and the game keeps trying to put me in the same lobby is fucking annoying.
I don't think many know but MR and SR used different game engines, MR uses an evolved version of what Spintires ueed (the one developed by the original dev), while SR uses Saber Interactive's own (most likely upgraded with knowledge and code from ST/MR's engine). The Saber Interactive one is called Swarm Engine and it's the same engine (not the same versions obviously) used in World War Z and W40K: Space Marine II.
That's part of the reason why some of the physics are not exactly the same. The devs either didn't bother tweaking the engine's physics and gameworld to suit the more advanced predecessor, or the new engine (in it's release date format at least) wasn't capable of doing such things. It's most likely the former tho.
As for the (often missing) sounds and the lack of simple gameplay elements like packing your long logs trailer... that's just the publisher/dev BS of skimping out on any content they can to reduce the costs of developing the game, nothing more nothing less.
It's not compelty Swarn engine but Swarn with mix of old Havok engine that Spintires & Mudrunner had. It is possible to achieve decent result with SR engine as well because modders did great job making the trucks similar to old games...I think it all depends on vision of the lead dev & corporate bosses.
i love mudrunner
MudRunner's winching is by far a lot better
I fogot to mention winching point...yes In MR you can connect winch on same tree from different point on truck without disconnecting winch....hard to explain but It was different...also the winching felt great in old games because of truck weight.
It really shows how much of an improvement to the actual progression and gameplay Snowrunner had when it could lose so many details and still end up better.
SD1ONE is back with his "Mudrunner was better than SnowRunner" nostalgia😂
It hurts because SR should have been an improvement in the physics department not a downgrade.
@@Dzaen2 6/15 damage indicator sends its regards :D
Man, SR is overall better but It always get to me that they could've done it so much better....still hopeful for the sequel of SR.
@ While driving at a decent speed in auto gear and truck "crashes" on nothing while on asphalt you always get 6 dmg on tire and 15 on suspension. It's the most common stupid damage that occurs due to physics, so 6/15 damage sends its regards :D
For me it 13/31 instead @@hivecasts
agree with sound. we want roaring engine when going high rpm
I can say only one.
Absolutely YES!
I agree with the foldable long log trailer set, was disappointed to not see it working and ended up looking for mods instead and the fact snow doesn't get stuck on the tires in snowrunner and also mud
SnowRunner is in many ways an improvement on its predecessors, but there were quite a few compromises and tradeoffs done in the process and it's also "dumbed down" to appeal to wider audience. For example:
* New cargo system was introduced, but in order to have fixed locations of cargo relative to the whole truck/trailer chassis, we lost the chassis flexing.
* The controls were changed such that they focus primarily on controllers and the keyboard and mouse are now the alternative option and many controls were simplified to make the game "more approachable", meaning that we lost a lot of controls that were available previously.
The trend of "dumbing down" games to attract more players was very popular around the time of SnowRunner release, but many developers/publishers have since realized that this doesn't really work and that the majority of players for certain genres of games seek challenge and simulators are really one of such genres. This is IMHO the reason why there hasn't been much excitement for the Expeditions among the Spintires series fans as that game is in many ways even further simplification of SnowRunner. I know most of the dev team of 3DIVISION, who realized based on the player feedback during the early access of their "Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic" game (city builder and logistics sim with the theme of Soviet era - planned economy, architecture, vehicles and everything else), that the vast majority of the players turn most if not all the difficulty settings to maximum, which was the exact opposite of what they were expecting, and based on player feedback, they introduced even harder game mode before releasing the game.
To reminisce about history, I recently played all the versions from June 2014 to January 2017.❤Just for the legend of the past❤
Some vesions are hard to find these days...you've to go to shady websites to obtain them...
in snowruiner is a model of new hoses for trailers but devs did not add them to the game...
Yes, I heard that too....What's surprising is that there's not even a mod that brings them back.
@@SD1ONE There is at least one. That is Real life mod. But I don't heard about any standalone mods for that
Physics definitely need sorted. Fix rebound damping so there actually is some. Reduce opposing force when objects penetrate terrain - seems like the deeper you clip in the greater the force kicking you out. Hence the glitch throws and crash bounce back
They should stop making new DLC every 5 months ans improve a bit more the tiny details like this
exactly but that won't make them any money and it would require time, effort & money from devs...I would even like to pay for such features but not all people would.
Another thing that would be awesome to have is mod support for mudrunner on console but they know that this would decrease their SR and his DLCs sales
I never played the older ones. What I do miss are the manual gearbox and cruise control.
SR needs all these transplanted over desperately...But it's been 2 years since next gen update and we have seen nothing yet. The heavy weight physics & suspension flex is needed most, followed by the very basic controller vibration/rumble motor support we had in MR.
5:39 They do have engine misfires, but it seems to be exclusively for heavy engine damage on all vehicles (IIRC it sounds the same on all vehicles be it the little beetle, or the 612H)
That Engine Damage misfire is seperate thing which is same for old games as well but Spintires trucks misfires even when they've 0 damage. It just gives us a feeling that truck is old.
I which we had the option to deflate the tries and reinflate for any terrain
Number 1! Everything from Mudrunner!
We have those same sounds with mods but the dents with repair points I miss and the crashing into things was better in MR
lol ive got a giant elastic band and use it for this mudrunner had it though u can use fine tune gearbox
Literally, the only thing that I don't agree with is engine sound, but everything else i agree would be nice to see
I think they also messed up winching other trucks. In snow runner the winched truck points wherever the front wheels are to the leading truck. If I remember correctly mud runner had the winched truck follow the same path as the leading truck. You could also control the steering left or right from the advanced menu.
Steering winched truck was more of spintires thing but Yes I also feel that they mess that up in SR.
If I could have 1 thing from the older games, it'd be Cruise Control
in older games like spin tires and mudrunner the fun was that when you got stuck you had a chance to get out of the mud without winch or other vechile, and the gear shifter also, but in snowrunner its gone ((((
Yes, It feels like you're in control that your input matters...In SR if you're stuck you're stuck, you've to winch...Although It's realistic in that matter but there's no fun in it.
@@SD1ONE no (( in reality even when yu sat on axles you have some chance to get out (not every time but not never like in sr) last thing is to do i think is modded mr
I agree with everything you said
i'm really enjoying playing SR (i didn't played a lot of spin tires/mudrunner, like 3 hours max) and now i just finished alaska yesterday, but I do remember that few things we're better in the old games, 100% the sound of the vehicles, I literally play SR listening to some music everytime because the sound of the trucks are awful.
Let's hope for some improve in the next game (RoadCraft)
BTW love your videos and also love the game even with a lot of issues lmao
BTW they did the SR more simple to sell it more, different than the old games that even me that grow up playing automotive games didn't played that much because of everything (hud, extreme physics, textures etc)
Many Devs in this year not targeting to its player.
Just why?
I was thinking the exact same yesterday when i wanted a truck with fuel that doesn't flip as easy, but with the normal fuel tank in the game all trucks get top heavy, unlike the one in Mudrunner found on soviet trucks, sadly i didn't find any mods that give me the soviet fuel tank for vanilla trucks in SR.
It's just not the addon, SR trucks also feel light which inflate the problem 2x....still you can use heavy trucks or semi-trailers to avoid flipping.
@@SD1ONE yes, i know it's much more than only the different fuel tanks and that i could fix the flipping problem with other trucks/trailer, but it was funny how i was so annoyed with it and the next day you posted this video.
I agree man. They need to hurry up with season 15. Been 3 damn months already
I miss the sound of the Mastodon from Mudrunner...also today I learned that a big crash could detach your trailer in MR.
Mastodon sounds best in Spintires actually...MR one was also kind of weak.
2:00 You can get around this by using an analogue throttle like a controller
i wish for so many of these things in SR!!!!
is there a way to get the OG spintires? i got scammed out of 5 bucks for a steam code. im down for piracy.
ofc, on fitgirl there is one of the last versions if i rember corectlly
Have you heard anything from Lone Wolf?
I think he wrote a community post not much long ago regarding his phone broken down which end up getting him locked out from his YT account.
I mostly miss the old engine and the weight it gives trucks, in stone runner stuff bounces around like toys and it takes the immersion out of the game. The trucks also slip and slide about like they are not connected to the road in reality. I was very excited when snowrunner announced the terrain physics improvements but even the way get ground breaks in the old games is so much more realistic and better. I hope maybe they’ll divide the series into a more Arcady and a more sim based games rather than just arcade
They can intruduce a setting to dumb down physics & other stuff for mainstream players but that can only be done in sequel or something.
@ yeah that would be a fantastic idea but hard to implement I imaging due to having the physics have the ability to change in the game. Still though having difficulties like arcade, regular, sim, and ultra sim (ultra sim would be like the hard mode in snowrunner now I imagine but with the better physics) would be fantastic. They should hire you lol
@@spoolysnail32 Lol...I am just a guy making videos, I know nothing about coding & stuff...they should bring back the original creator Pavel who in my opinion has great vision which we saw in both Mudrunner & Spintires...He would be the right guy to lead Snowrunner Sequel IMO.
Wholly agree with all of this. I love Snowrunner but there’s no doubt that it was “dumbed down” to allow compatibility with consoles. I know the latter is a huge market, but itmis a shame. I especially agree about the sound. Real opportunity missed.
and how not to mention another lost technology of ancient civilization - text ingame chat
😮 didnt know mudrunner had cruise control. Snowrunner def needs my biggest complaint. No reason not to
do you think they will make a new mud runner / snow runner game ? i hope they do. personally i wouldn't even bother me if they keep the same maps they have now just mash mud runner and snow runner. all the mud runner maps and snow runner maps in one big game with a whole bunch improvements.
Spintires and Snowrunner are like GTA4 and GTA5... the newer games are supposedly cooler and better, but the boxed vehicle physics make me want to go back to the older game.
I set one of the back buttons on my steam deck specifically to toggle accelerate through mud lol
I mean the towing, for the love of god, that thing is the most annoying in sr. In mr you could gas the truck towed/towing and in sr it’s just soooo slow af that theres really no point towing anything….
Actually the tucks were slow in Mudrunner & therefore you couldn't notice the truck slowing down while towing but In SR trucks are very fast but the speed of towing is slow...It's same thing when you transiut from a speedy highway to a lower speed limit road.
so when is the next game?
RoadCraft? This year
@ like is that the axtual name of the next “spin tires” game
expedition didn’t come out that long ago, did it really not do that well compared to MR and SR?
@@newportlord Roadcraft is a side title like Expeditions, it's not meant to be the next big sequel and so it's not expected to sell incredibly well. They are kinda like side projects to test out new mechanics and whatever is received well will be implemented into a proper sequel game in the future.
@ Expedition is like its own thing...It's a spin-off not a direct sequel...upcomming Roadcraft is also a spin-off
Perfect comparison is GTA 4 to GTA 5. Mudrunner was grounded and more realistic while snow runner has cleaner graphics but more arcade physics
Is anyone else really excited for RoadCraft.. while at the same time, kinda nervous. That's like my GTA 6 this year, if it actually releases this year. I hope it's good.
is there anything better in SR than big maps and more variety gameplay?
There're a lot things...I made a video on the same as well where I listed all major improvement that SR did over old games.
3:30 Why does the first map on snowrunner have this massively useful and good looking mega fuel tanker that you cant buy or use anywhere else
Yeah...That trailer is a special trailer for missions only you can't buy it at trailer store unless you use mods.
2:06 fine tune gearbox does not help there ?
Truck was stuck on those roots I guess but that's not the point.
A cruise control is something that is desperately needed in my opinion, holding down the RT button for very long durations is annoying.
I think they should not just add cruise but improve on it as well...In MR once you activate cruise your camera is locked which SR could imrprove because In that way you can relax and enjoy the surroundings.
I still play MD but on mods . There Are plenty of mods so this make game endless and not boring 😆
Can I have the name of the truck mod with a preview?
Is there something wrong with Saber? We are waiting for a long time fo 15 sezon - they have no motivation because sales went down? Or maybe they have already focused on Roadcraft?
I think they've a lot on their plate right now...There's new game Roadcraft as well as updates for Expeditions but I am sure they won't abandon SR as it's their milk cow.
They went a bit too arcady with snowrunner, it's fun and there is lots to do, but some of the small details are overlooked
This is exactly why I became more and more frustrated with SR over time and finally deinstalled it. They pump out new seasons like no tomorrow but forget to improve the actual game quality. Now I play Mudrunner with Atdega Mod 7.5 which is more pleasant to me.
Yeah, Mudrunner was made with more passion while Snowrunner is more business focused but It's what most people want so it's what they gonna get.
But there is misfiring in SR
In SR it only happens when truck's Engine damaged below a thereshold...That is there in all 3 games but spintires old trucks does it even when truck in without damage.
You say old games.
What do you mean old? I still have the tech demo of spintires on my pc.
Me too
I hope the devs watch this video.
Omg what is that truck from the thumbnail????
It's an e7429 from mudrunner
yet another reason why the spintires franchise peaked at mudrunner
I think even MR was a bit downgrade to Spintires in some aspect...SR is actually a great game but If it adops all the good from old games...It would be best in franchise.
I prefer the softer artstyle of mudrunner tbh
We have time change in SR
It more of a time preset like moring, evening, etc...while Spintires had like proper clock to select exact time you want...Again it's just little thing not a must have.
What truck is this? 4:37
C-255 in spitires and Tayga B in SR
Kraz 255
Hazard flasher lights
beacons are present in SR but they're off by default...you can turn them on in advance menu (where you access crane & stuff)
@SD1ONE no , i mean turn signals or idicators and hazard lights (that triangle symble button in cars)
They is no turn signal in game, i know it us offroad game not city driving but it would be cool if add to game
In sr i need beter sound and manual transmission, automatic have one of the worst gear shift codes I've ever seen in a game...
Old physics would be nice too
new games always graphics over everything
Also, whats wrong with your recordings??? Half the screen is missing and its happening only on your channel
No other viewer has this issue...I checked the video and It's all normal...either check on different browser, different device or restart your device.
From visuals to gameplay, mechanics to addons, MudRunner is better than SnowRunner. SnowRunner feels much more arcade-like, whereas the atmosphere in MudRunner is more realistic, and tire behavior in the mud feels more accurate
Nintendo is much different, unlike y’all pc players, we have sounds like skidding tires and water splashing
Can you link a video clip showing tire skidding...Water spash sound is there in all versions of SR.
К сожалению я не смогу передать все разочарование, которое я испытываю от того факта, что на самом деле разработчикам плевать на фанатов игры. Они добавляют контент ради контента, но все те проблемы, какие были при запуске игры так и остались. Проблема с камерой, лебедкой, физикой, камнями, уроном, оптимизацией и банальной настройки для руля. Они только клепают новые карты и машинки, забив болт на реальные недоработки, которые мы все так ждали что будут исправлены. Поэтому когда я захожу в игру спустя 5 лет после запуска и вижу кучу новых ДЛС, но ни одного глобального исправления, то мне становится действительно грустно
Instead of new "Seasons" they should really just buckle down and do a "Quality of Life" update with a lot of the points you made in this video. Especially for a paid game. SR seems very beta and not fully fleshed out
I would even pay for such DLC but I don't think many people would approve of them not releasing new stuff.
I feel like a lot of these changes have been made but there in Expedition's.
Mudrunner couldn't sync multiplayer physic & even some sounds between players & due to SnowRunner's size they couldn't nail the feel & physics but was still a massive hit
Snowrunner is kind of a downgraded version of Mudrunner but with stupid amounts of mission's & physics objects in the map's cargo fencing debris yes even the missions around the map meaning they couldn't have both Snowrunner but with Mudrunner's awesome physic's
I hope they patch Snowrunner get the Multiplayer working good finish out whatever DLC they have & call it done
It's still the best game in its own way finding the right balance
just look at expeditions it's an awesome game as a concept now we have a lot more than just logging mission's thanks' to SnowRunner this .....errr Reboot of Mudrunner is just a little to repetitive fun at 1st & it's hard as hell I enjoy it but even I find myself getting fed up
Now just all of us Rember Sabre have leant a LOT from these game's what work's Mudrunner how much is too much Snowrunner just look at the multiplayer stop pumping out DLC & just start fixing it will take year's to finish playing this game & what's too ambitious Expedition's
ROADCRAFT SHOULD BE AMAZING GIVEN ALL OF THIS EXPERENCE THEY'VE HAD.
In short, I think Snowrunner is just fine, but PLS fix the Multiplayer
I won't mind reducing missions & stuff if they make some quality mission than quantity...I honestly didn't enjoyed Expedition much
Я не чекав побачити тут нові для spintires dlc!
Snowrunner devs are just lazy. The community made me continue playing.
As for physics, some editing of the files make the trucks much more enjoyable!
sorry mudrunner crashed please relaunch the game how to fix !😢
Don't worry, their next game will suck even more.
I pretty much only use certain modded trucks that feel like the mudrunner vehicles have actual weight flex good suspension models and actual tires pretty much all the base trucks have little to no flex of suspension or frame rubber band looking leaf springs and hopping tires at speed or turning also models are very shit.
The worse part is they never touched base game trucks after release but the good thing is that some DLC trucks are done right like Step Pike, Crocodile, etc which makes me kind of hopeful for the sequel of Snowrunner.
I think sr devs only care about money and making cashgrab dlc's rather than quality of life improvements, they said they will add better wheel support and manual gearbox but that never happend, just empty promises...
I think it's not only that but majority of people also want to see new content rathan than improvements in old content.
1 minute ago 4 veiws bro really fell off 😭
Bro, SD1ONE did not fall off, his content needs a while to get going. He is doing some of the best work in the Spintires, mudrunner, and snowrunner communities.
47 seconds ago yaaay
Well well new gen like snowrunner and expeditions mudrunner reason they heave big map and good graphics thats it but the old heave real life physic and real life experiences i m truck driver and also crane 🏗️ operator i daily face many things like spintires and mudrunner i work near the jungle grabbing som Stone and broken tree 🌲 so i heave the same experience in thease 2 games well its my opinion😶😊