The Economic Explanation of Why Modern Dating is Failing
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00:00 Market Failure
01:52 Inequality
05:30 Asymmetric Information
12:08 Tragedy of the Commons
I’d highly recommend watching this video in full, I think this is possibly the best video I’ve put out to date.
But if you’re only going to watch part of it I’d strongly advise to watch between 9:37 and 12:00.
In my opinion this is the most important point I’ve made on this channel with regard to why most men struggle to get a relationship.
Thanks for watching guys 👍
Keep up the good work and thank you for inspiring me to create this channel, and thank you for teaching me what I should have known all along from the beginning.
That implies the existence of a worst video
@@izeejams4914 screw that soyboy captain-save-a-304
Have you looked into "wealth inequality". it's sharper than income inequality.
@@TwistedLullabies Less good, you can say. If he has so called "worst video", people would've not watched it or gave bad ratings.
Every person is improving, that goes to you, me, and WW.
Dating was designed for people to find suitable marriage partners. Now that marriage is an utter joke that often ends in a bitter divorce, it's logical that dating will collapse with it into the same pile of rubble.
That would be the economic factor he did not mention, Externalities. The horrible divorce and family court laws have allowed for the total breakdown of traditional marriage.
@@impudentdomain I watched a video where a woman, who was (and still is) married, had to have welfare assistance for the family at a certain point. Understandable, it happens. The welfare office continually ENCOURAGED her to divorce her husband with the incentive of receiving more money.
+ Hook up & leave no room for it since any fine guy even if bad looking one may hire prostitute for his chill lifestyle but with hookup being normalised the boundary between them has disappeared
Exactly right. I often find myself explaining this point to those wondering why I’m single. Why head down a path towards somewhere I need to avoid?
Besides everything mentioned in this video, there is no incentive for a man to sign a contract with the state they live in when the man gets nothing out of it.
A society with alot of lonely, bitter and angry men is a recipe for disaster.
This I'm afraid is one of the most overlooked dilemmas in society. The results to come will be tragic.
yaay race war now!
🤣 😭
Well sometimes one needs to put some effort too. There's 8 billion people In this planet.
We live in a society
I'm 32yrs old, average looking black guy, 5'9,180lbs, in good shape and its brutally hard for me in the dating world. I've never had the opportunity to take advantage of "hookup culture ", I've witnessed it, but never participated in it, plus I don't think I want to because me personally I need the emotional connection apart from physical sexual attraction. But dating, I've tried dating apps, absolutely no luck. I don't think I was made for the whole dating thing, plus I'm an introvert infj so its a very difficult lonely life for me unfortunately 😓.
You seem like a decent man my dude. Trust me, it's better to be single than with the wrong woman. And just because you're single, it doesn't mean that your life is over and has no purpose.
My exact same situation. I'm black, 6'1 average, good looking but taking advantage of women never interested me. Introvert here but people expect us to be the Chad of Chad's. We are normal people too that want love 💯💔
Become a Passport Bros. See you in Thailand!!😆
@@danielsnook5029 Beware of the femboys there 😂
@@danielsnook5029 jk
As an economics student, it’s fun to see these concepts being applied to the dating market. Very eye-opening!
haha, Also an Economic Major was hella Surprised when he threw out a game tree given I'm in Game Theory.
The manosphere has been talking about this in economic sense for more than a decade, and they have gotten some agreements like Robin Hanson who have written on that topic (his incel writings, and there are some regular economists who analyze like marriage rates and sex ratios in countries, i.e. Austria after WWII).
Dating for women is like shopping, dating for men it's like a job interview. Tell me which one is more enjoyable?
Been a long time since I was in school but I don't really agree with his presentation of theory. I don't think that inequality in terms of attractiveness creates a market failure. And I don't think The Tragedy of the Commons is a good analog to a dating market. But maybe I'm wrong.
As a guy who's considered "average" (5'10, 60-70K, blue collar work) it's absolutely brutal. Even average women are chasing the Chads and tall top earning guys. Women don't waste time, they straight ask you up front how much you earn, job title, height etc and will disqualify you immediately if it doesn't meet their standards. They have no interest in seeing if you have any actual chemistry anymore, that's been my experience anyway.
brutal
@OUTCLASSER Support Team cope
@OUTCLASSER Support Team Men's list of requirements is a lot smaller then women's list of requirements. Most of men's requirements are under a woman's control. Most of women's requirements are not under a man's control. Mpst women can become fit, feminine and friendly if they so choose. Most men cannot easily change their height or their looks. The only thing under men's control is their income.
Yeah. Online dating and ease of travel has ruined this. It used to be that you were only competing with guys in your local community. Now, you're competing with every guy in a 50 mile radius. If you're near a city, that's possibly millions of guys.
@OUTCLASSER Support Team Okay but unemployed women can be accepted, she can easily get a man who can provide. Where unemployed men is a hobo. Not the same
Imagine creating a system so efficient that it makes 90% of male population uninteresting.
and imagine that this 90% stay put suffering in that market... shocking
technically speaking, this system is very good because after 100 years, the unattractive won't have the chance to reproduce so more and more percents of the population will be attractive and guess what, those attractive people will still be rejected and only the most attractive will reproduce, we are living in a world where everyone is attractive but only the most attractive are reproducing.
The jews are smart.
To be fair, 99% were already uninteresting. And if it weren't for sex, probably 100% of women.
@@deagor4578 So they created Feminism to scoop up All those lonely college educated women 😈
I think online dating's 2 biggest problems are:
1. Low commitment: On a computer screen you are just a number, people do not really care about numbers.
2. Time consuming: Nobody trusts a person online, so you have to spend 3 times as much time to build trust compared with offline
I recommend you my solution if you live in a dorm. Bake chocolate cookies, sit down in the living room and just talk with people.
Even if you do not find anyone, you will have friends/chocolate cookies or both :D
Actually online dating is the least time consuming way to date other people. You just don't know it because you're not a Chad. And what you describe about chocolate cookies it's something that is good for a nursing home when you're 80 not when you're 20 and you have testosterone pumping in your veins. Hope I didn't sound harsh or something... Oh by the way "low commitment" part also depends on looks.
The cookie thing is a good idea. Idk what the comment above me is on about, but I’m in college rn and I assure anyone reading that college kids will always flock towards free food.
Wholesome solution
ACTUAL GOOD ADVICE ONLINE WTF
Yeah only guys who aren't sex addicts just are not willing to message 400 girls and get 7 conversations that may end in 1 date. And girls can't message the 400 guys hitting them up to sift through and find the 7 that may be a great match for them.
I remember when internet dating was seen as weird and creepy, boy have times changed..
"It's not internet dating. It's an app." -girls (probably)
And yet it often is still weird and creepy
I don't think there's anything wrong with it so long as you're being smart and behaving in an ethical manner, but tbh, we were probably in a somewhat better place in society when meeting and dating in person was still treated like the normal thing to do.
That's how I met your mother.
I remember growing up in an era when they told us not to meet up with people in real life that we met online.
as a "below average" guy, my experience with online dating was meaningless. I never got a response from the hundreds of messages I sent out. I gave up on dating.
Stay off online dating, it never works. Get out there, you’ll have a better chance finding someone at the bar, gym, work, a hobby.
@@tyke2829 no, offline dating was no better. I dont try to date anymore. I've accepted aloneness and moved on. Nothing is dragging me back to that disappointment hell.
@@Endymion766 do what you can to improve your looks (working out, lose weight, etc). Also look at yourself to see what personality qualities that might be hurting you.
@@domdrty already tried that, didnt work, no more rat race, no more plantation, no more slavery. I'm done.
@Jason Walter I don't quite buy the height thing unless the guy is 5'6" or less. I am an average guy and 5'8". In general I have never really had an issue with rejection due to height.
I did noticed when my income increased after college women tend to notice me more(im far from rich). Say what you will about it, but I would definitely use that to my advantage. We are no different than any other species. Females want the strongest, best looking, and or most successful. If they can get all three then they will, but most women can not.
I have put very attractive women on the spot. Calling them out about their financial irresponsibility, and how I wasn't looking to take care of them. Most became very quite in that conversation.
“All men are jerks.”
“Does that mean I’m a jerk?”
“No, you’re one of the good ones.”
Translation: “You don’t count as a man.”
Brutal translation of womanese. When woman talk about "men," they mean Chadlite and up.
And they still go after the jerks.
@@Krelian4400 _"Why can't I find a nice guy like you?"_
@@Subhumanoid_ Translation: "I like your personality, but you are ugly/short/poor/... & actually I don't really want to be treated nicely because after a very short time it despises me".
I mean, if the only thing you want from a friend is sex, you kinda are a jerk.
Yeah I have no plan to date anyone again.
I'm 30 Y/O, college education, doing very well financially, military veteran, work out often, and take care of my body and mind. I am not unattractive by any stretch. Yet I get no romantic options.
Men like myself are not willing to become a pick up artist and message 400 women to get 7 responses, and 1 date. For us that aren't sex addicts or desperate weirdos there is no realistic benefit to playing that game anymore. Best of luck to everyone else though!
Totally agree I'm in the same boat as you, and I just cannot be bothered going through all that, I get matches etc but most of the time I cbf
1) i am not ugly
2) hit the Gym and i have very good body with big frame
3) i dress well
4) i am college educated
5) i am going to have a stable.job within months
6)i have a car
7)i am very smart
But i don't get matches and i don't get noticed in real Life....and when i date girls i get ghosted for no reason at all
Yikes 😬 people in the military or who were in the military and nuts, that's probably why you're siny
Being one of the good looking guys is a gift and a curse. If you’re a bad person it’s a gift if you have any morals it’s a curse. The amount of women in relationships that throw themselves at me is crazy some even have husbands! They will literally tell me anything ask me to sleep with them etc it’s nuts. Makes me have a hard time trusting any woman or settling down and taking them serious. The last women I was talking too told me she wasn’t faithful and with the way I looked she assumed I was the same as her it’s a madhouse in the dating world right now.
At least you have the opportunity to meet someone nice.
Just go on dates and see if it works out. If it doesn't just tell her and go on another date.
Most guys just don't get to the date-stage. Immagine how hard it is to choose then
This is true but even so the quality of woman is bad. guys without the opportunity aren’t missing much, it’s like digging through a garbage barrel almost not even worth it. I’m content with the way I am right now so that makes a big difference. Why would I bring a woman into my life that’s just gonna complicate things? having kids would be nice but the risk are higher than the reward with modern women.
But you have a chance, most of us don't
At least you have options. You're one of the lucky ones. That's not nearly as problematic as being on the unfavorable side
He’s speaking facts I have this problem the petty girls dating gangsters,or white boys.If I messed up there’s another guy around the corner waiting his turn.
About your second point, I have a story to tell:
My ex-roommate was seeing a Chad. He was our landlord's son. The Chad straight up told her he was not serious, and was not looking to start a relationship with her. He actually also told her that he already has a long-term girlfriend, and wasn't planning to break up with her.
But she still slept with him once or twice a week. They were sex partners for years at least. Until I moved out, and didn't catch up with her anymore.
I was so shocked that he was that upfront, and I was even more shocked that she was STILL okay with it! I know I wouldn't. I guess Chads don't even have to lie, and would still get what they want.
Women make rules for normies but they break rules for chads.
This is evolutionary biology. Women would rather share an Alpha than be with an average man. Our species evolved this way.
You talk like she was being deceived lol.
Attraction works like this, two people sharing moments together out of pure joy and no coercion involved.
Women love to have fun with Chad it doesnt matter if he is cheating or doesnt want to commit, the dopamine hits are always high.
@@copemaxxing4306 she doesnt talk like her friend was being deceived?
@@karlhans6678 men and women both treat attractive people better than average and bellow average
This is not a new problem. As a far below average man, I had these problems decades ago. Eventually I realized that my chances were zero and I was just embarrassing myself by trying to chase women, and I gave it up.
It's a very lonely life, but on the other hand, not getting married is the surest way to avoid divorce, and I don't have to pay for women or children, and so have been able to build a modest life, with no debt, even something on the side, and now don't have to slave all day to earn money for others.
When talking to colleagues, of course, it is sad when they tell about the development of their children and fun with the family, and on certain holidays the loneliness hurts a lot. On the other hand, married men can not explain where I get all the time to watch movies, read books, play video games and other hobbies.
Who the hell gets that lucky to have fun with family and children? normal men are working their asses off and dying on the job trying to pay all family expenses and if they come home they don't have energy for anything but just sleeping or maybe some TV.
@@deltaxcd exactly it’s a two way problem for me. Even if I find a reliable woman to build a life with I don’t make enough to truly enjoy it anyway. I’d have to work 50-60 hours a weeks to live a modest life. It’s a big mess.
@@dirtbikekid2851 Did you ever wonder why immigrant men typically own some crappy little business and work at least 72 hours per week, if not over 100 hours, while their old lady stays home with the kids and does all of the shopping? I was blissfully ignorant of that entire world until I quit teaching to become a barber and ended up working in a Greek barber shop sixty hours per week. When I was a school teacher I used to just fake everything and only worked 35 hours per week. At least I was smart enough to know better than to take teaching seriously. At least two-thirds of the kids were too stupid even for high school so I used to consider the really hard working teachers as suckers. At least when you put that many hours in in barbering you go home with a fat wad in your wallet.
Beautiful comment from a true sigma, 👨🍳💋
That's a good way to be, and I'd add that you should either massively lower your standards for physical beauty; or just completely drop the expectation that you will have a wife(especially for those holidays demanding you think about family or love).
@@thesurvivorssanctuary6561 There’s definitely been an epidemic of narcissism. When I’m out in public I’m impressed by how homely most people are, how homely most couples are, and how if those people had been unrealistically fussy few of them would ever have gotten married. But to me it never made any difference; I never bought it that you could trust women enough to get married in the first place so I never really wanted to marry.
simple idea: a dating app but when you swipe no on someone click a quick prompt to explain why. certain prompts keeps profiles in rotation more than others would. it would benefit people who put in effort and want to try and push undesirable people to the back of the stack. prompts such as "this person doesnt have similar interests not compatatible for me" or "distance or something is too far" and "profile is missing details/effort" or "person doesnt look safe to be around/not attracted"
I think 99% of the time the reason will be “I don’t find them physically attractive”
@@Kizamo yeah women would actually have to put effort in to find a man that will put effort into them, god forbid. but yeah whatever one is easiest to click would get that
@@Kizamo Kinda agree, but also if their bio is toxic, they're an absolute alcoholic, their political views are cringe and center focus of their personality.
YES! The amount of “420 friendly” And “I don’t know what to put here lol”s I have to swipe left on..
Imagine needing tinder
As someone trained in economics I appreciate what you are doing here. I am not sure if I buy all of your assumptions but you present it in an easy to understand format.
It's only assumptions, if his sources don't check out. Did you investigate his sources and find his statements to not be true?
economics, psychology, women's studies - all the same type of 'science'! hahahah
@@1MinuteFlipDoc, while I'm always up for a nice round of bash-any-science-that-isn't-physics, I'd hate to contribute to an idea of people of the different branches having anything but respect for the other branches too. Women's studies is the art of pandering to women and remove all accountability, though, and I would not call _that_ a branch of science. At best it's an evening course on how not to fight with your wife when on a caravan vacation. ;-)
Yeah, I study econ as a hobby. I questioned a couple of assumptions too. I really liked this video too.
The “one big problem” you mentioned has a name in philosophy. It’s called the prisoners dilemma. Prisoners dilemma: the solution is for everyone to work together long term. However, the caveat is that the perceived short term benefit of “cheating” or backstabbing is greater until long term effects happen as a result.
Nice! Well stated.
Tragedy of the commons, he explained it
@@swordierre9341 yes but you have to have the context that matters or the analogy doesn’t make sense. The reason why it’s bad to pick the short term outcome is because eventually everyone suffers in the long term. Even those who can choose the short term benefit.
I don't quite think it applies here. In the Prisoner's Dilemma, the option of being selfish completely pays off if the other party is selfless. Also, both parties being silent is only a better solution for the collective... not the individual. In his scenario, the selfish person will ultimately suffer for their selfishness regardless of if the other party is selfish as well. The only change would be how fast their resources deplete. In addition, both parties being selfless is beneficial to both the collective and individual. Everyone gets to keep access to water indefinitely.
The most basic form of the Prisoner's Dilemma is the single stage, two-player game. It's solution is for players to defect irrespective of the opponent's strategy. This is the solution based on the same mutually dominant strategies. The solution is non-pareto optimal, there exists a payoff on which both players would do better, i.e., both would cooperate.
In the iterated version of Prisoner's Dilemma, for finite numbers of stages, the solution is (DD...D, DD...D).
When there are either infinite numbers of stages or indeterminant numbers of stages,. the issues are more complicated and involves discounting to avoid infinite payoffs and initial commitment and trigger strategies for subsequent stages, such as Grim and Tit-for That ) I don't think "Tit" means breast here, but I could be wrong.
One example of the one-stage Prisoners Dilemma is the show, Law and Order SVU.
For Prisoners Dilemma, if one were to consider "Love" as the police and a man and a woman encounter as a game, then if the goal was simply who wins, then it be a best response to lie about their intentions (defect from truth) whereas if they both possessed some form of ethics or deontology, they would both cooperate. If one cooperates and the other is dishonest /defects, then we know what would happen, the cooperator gets screwed (figuratively) mad possibly "takes it out on the next", as they say, kind of like an iteration on larger society.
I guess my overall point is that Prisoners Dilemma might apply on parts of the topic, kind of interestingly, but much of what Whet Wafflea discusses in his excellent video goes beyond the Prisoner's Dilemma, at least in the most common formulations (2 players, finite iterations and stages, and the same strategy sets with two strategies for the players.
There is something more advanced for which its creators I believe wom a Fields Medal called Mean Field Theory. It delays with how an individual acts in response to it's group, much like fish in a school.
But, I think for practical purposes and since most people are still in blue pill stage, by either innocent naive primitive (Cupid) beliefs or privileged ignorance interpretations of "love" ( The Bachelor / Bachelorette TV show), Wheat has done a really incredible job summarizing a multi-faceted argument
This is almost creating a new generation of bitterness between both genders and it shows in the comments. Its concerning. Not all women or men are narcissistic and selfish. Take a break from dating apps and join groups meet people! Wish yall luck out there
And in those group meetups will be people on their phone on dating apps. Stop being silly.
No, it’s called having a social circle. I’m countries without dating apps, people dating through social connection and they don’t have the same issues
@@savagemode6983 if thats the case find other people who will respect your time? 🤷♀️ I personally havent seen that happen before but I cant speak on all situations it happens with people from dating apps to where they just use their phones constantly
@@savagemode6983 then change the friend group if they find their insta feed more interesting atm than being with you
Its called "femuhnism"
Man Im lucky I didnt dabble in this dating pool and instead found my partners in actual social situations. Slowly getting to know each other and then deciding to be a couple.
Thats no guarantee for working out long-term but its way more honest, direct and rewarding I feel.
Good for you ❤sir
Here's the secret: be tall, have a perfect face and perfect physique. Bonus points if you have money.
@Louis Tea Enjoyer Yes it's hugely important to being able to maintain a relationship.
It's just that the emotional development, skills and experience that are required for a healthy long term relationship comes from previous relationships.
So i guess my point is that you don't just loose by having it harder getting a date or a girlfriend, all the steps after are harder. Not to mention the wealth of data that shows how important it is to have and maintain looks in a relationship. It's no wonder that a qliueche is "You got to work on staying attractive to your partner".
Looks will fade, so don't plan on using that as a long term strategy
@@TwistedLullabies yup, that's why they move on. It's as simple as that.
@Louis Tea Enjoyer true, but if you're a Chad, you should just pump them as long as you can, them dump to the next ones.
Yup
If you've ever seen a Chad up close (roommate, neighbor, etc) it's shocking. Women just line up, tolerate anything, accept anything and forgive anything. Just for a piece of his beauty. I've seen them crying hysterically outside his door, getting into physical fights, buying him presents to "make up" after she catches him cheating,.... He loses all respect for them, but nothing changes.
Correct. It's astonishing to the novice normie who has zero access. My son is a Chad and I see it all from the 17-20 age perspective. They are okay to share 100%.
n**gas be like:put on a better frame and do a better game bro!
Women make a hundred rules for men and break them for Chad.
Growing up with a Chad brother I’ve seen it all first hand. The difference in treatment from anyone, anywhere. Especially girls asking me out about him. The tears they shed for him fills lots ob bath tubs.
They want his genetics for their baby
Another point to add to the market failure is that dating used to be localized; you only had access to what's in your area. However, men are no longer competing against other local men for local women; they are competing against men globally.
1000% this
As a German I've never understood the whole dating thing in the US. I've never been on a date in my life. Why do you have those rules about how many dates until sex and stuff like that? If I liked a person I'd hang out just as friends. And if I'd start having more romantic feelings I'd send signals to let him know and usually we'd end up kissing after a while if he was feeling the same. Always worked for me in Germany and Italy and also with my Greek husband.
With all my ex boyfriends and my husband I happened to be friends before ending up together.
I feel like this dating thing rushes things a lot.
you're a woman.
you wouldn't get it.
Not everyone does it the same way
Ironicaly, a nice comment with a possible solution is left to rot.
because the US is having some serious mental health problems. Is no coincidence that most of this bullshit comes from there.
Well that "hanging out" thing is nothing else than a "date". You just used different words.
But now think how do you find those friends with whom you "hang out" and to how many men you refuse to give your time and attention before they can even show themselves properly?
also how interesting that by some strange magic you start having "romantic feelings" like a guys does not even need to do or say anything for that to happen :)
so strange and magical :)
it's ridiculous how difficult it has become to get a woman
being loved and having someone to cheer you up is something that shouldn't be too much to ask
@@Shoegazebasedgenre0. for soulless selfish "beings" it is too hard to ask for.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 😭😭 yup ain't never lying! Then all they do is tease us with sleezy tiktok vids. Who would have thought you had to buy a women just to get her for a little while, and even that's difficult In This day and time.
Getting women is the easiest it’s ever been actually. You used to have to marry them , build a house by hand, be a Casanova or philosopher to be popular etc. I think what’s harder to find is genuine love . Women are frustrated with the dating scene too. There seems to be an invisible wall (which I believe may be peoples agenda’s and intentions clashing. But I’m not sure)
@@Anna-vl2ni yes it is easy for chads and tyrones. they have sex with the women most of the time but don't want a relationship. that's why women get frustrated. Women choose and you always choose a playboy, but then when you get older and realize you don't stand a chance with the playboys, you marry a normal man. then after a few years you get bored and divorce and find a new man because you can do it with no problem. that's fact.
Ukrainain women are dating Polish and British Chads while their male counterparts are taking part in a 'special military operation'
No matter what people say about equality, the male role never changes. Ukraine is proof of that. All you need is for something to go wrong. Men are expendable.
@@HadesHatredEdge Are you sure? Sweden has a gender neutral draft, and all it takes is for Gen Z and Alpha to be sensitive and anti traditionalist enough to fully discard gender roles. I say this as a BP nihilist whose identity revolves around hating and arguing with braindead normies
Yes, dating apps literally exploded with Ukrainian women since the last few months... Not sure if to quickly secure an already established citizen with resources (they really tryhard with their looks) or just to hook up with a few Chads.. Probably both. At the same time.
the men all should've refused to fight a war they can't possibly win, don't listen to the MSM Russia is winning easily
Hypergamy. Men date down so women can date up (in this case financially) The brits and the Polls can date their own women but they choose the Uk rainian women.
I appreciate this video because it acknowledges how the problems work in reverse and it's both a male and female issue. We all need to do better
As a tall person, I have always wanted to defend all shorter people for being mistreated because of their height.
I am 23 year old male, never dated. On looks I would consider myself as 5, 4 on bad days and maybe I could get to 6 if I really pushed and tried to looksmax. On personality and skillset front I would rate myself as solid 9. I am quite caring, imaginative and also analytical like our boy waffles. Currently I am learning my 5th language.
As I said, I am also pretty tall, 188 cm or 6'2 to be exact. But I never want to be rated just based on this. Being tall is not something I chose when I got birthed into this world. I feel the stuggles shorter people might have. If someone gets interested of me and my height plays a key role in that attraction, I will NEVER accept that person close to me. She is not good enough for me and never will be, I will look for someone more reasonable.
This literally makes no sense because of you find a good woman you will not question if she is with me because of height and even if you wanted she will never tell you it's because of your height but it's not... But without it she wouldn't even care about you anyway.
@@siemniak You do you
And I dont get half of what you are trying to say :D
Have a nice day!
You never gonna find a good girl, they just look at you because your height and that's it
Being a tall man alone doesnt make a man good looking, his face and body shape does. My guess is girls who fixate on a mans height cannot get a good looking tall man. So they look for plainer men as that is a status in on itself for plain women.
Girls want a Frat boy mate… a guy who drinks beer, is kinda dumb, works out and is active social justice warrior… this is a girl’s fantasy mate.
The solution: don't take part in this unless you are a chad. Why would you feed your mind with false hope for years when deep inside you know you have zero or nearly zero chance in dating... A market where there are less and less customers and sellers eventually collapses. Do not contribute anything maintaining this system.
True, but why? Due to God there is hope.
What the solution for women like me who are virgins and want a marriage with a provider protector men?
Doesn't make sense, bc this would cause Chad monopoly and many normies still get women at least in their 30's. If chad were the only ones to date, not only would many women be desperate but normies would try to put chads 6ft under ground. That's the natural course of action for a disgruntled majority.
@@Michael_the_Drunkard normies over 30=beta buxx... So you can be "succesfull" over 30 as a normal looking guy but you are destined to raise chad's chil. You can be with a young mother of two and be happy. Is it worth it? I dont think so...
You still are taking part in the circus show with your taxes
Back when I was on these apps I would try to explain this to my friends and they thought I was just upset or being obsessed about it. It's good to see a like minded soul who sees the model as it is. I find it interesting.
Nowadays we search for the *perfect* partner, which is extremely rare to actually find. Don't get me wrong, finding a good partner is essential but sometimes just because we disagree about something the whole relationship falls apart
That has a lot to do with to many to choose from, How the internet killed love people are Deposable in the dating world,
@@alicerayne9461 It's more like a slot machine process now.
I'd recommmend Aaron Clareys "The Menu" as a must read for men that are making the decision to leave the dating arena. For most men, most of our actions in our life since puberty have been at least partially motivated by the pursuit of women - your career choice, hitting the gym, dressing well, friends, living location etc. It's clear the dating space is completely unsalvegable at this point and most men will fail to achieve what they traditionally define as a health stable relationship with a women, even after putting the effort . Problem is, once you make the calculated decision to leave the dating arena, you realize how many things you have done in the past where the result of pursuing women and suddenly those things have less meaning and your motivation plummets - usually it catchse you by surprise until you introspect further. "why am I working at this job that sucks 50 hours a week? - oh it's because I'm trying to make more money since I heard women like financial security "why do I live in this overly priced apartment next to a trendy area - oh it's because I heard that women like a man with a nice crib" "why did I spend 100 dollars on a custom tailored dress shirt - oh its because when I puirchased it i was trying to bring out my v-taper for women". you need to re-direct your motivation towards a new purpose - community, passions, health - freeing up your time and energy towards what makes you happy, completely indepedent of the opposite sex.
You may start doing odd things that belie your perviously manufactured personality like buying your clothes from a thriftshop because you are longer trying to impress women. you my choose to suddenly work only 20 hours a week since there is no motivation to work extra to impress women. If you were a victim of the PUA "game" scheme you may suddenly find yourself reverting back to your introverted reserved self when you go out - choosing to relax and enjoy a drink in solititude rather than work on your "game" by chatting up women and strangers.
I can tell you, re-directing and changing your habits towards fufilling your vision, completely independent of women (and I mean completely) is one of the most freeing, eye opening, and peaceful things a man can do. you day to day activies will not be frought with anxiety / work / stress from trying to acheive things or do things for women, but will be replaced with a peaceful calm and no expectations to the future, as you will be intrisincally motivated versus extrinsically motivated. you will know you've finally acheived inner peace when there are no expectations and you are fine with it - when it's been a few years since your journey and you suddenly think "huh, I havn't been on a date in 3 years and I simply don't care"
The one thing you will miss is human touch, but I can tell you from a cost/benefit standpoint that the benefits far outweight the costs.
Edit: Wow This blew up - I'd like to clarify that this path is your choice and your choice alone, and is not necessarily a permanent thing. One may want to consider the above to take a break from dating to focus on themselves for a while, or one may decide to make the above a lifelong commitment. IMO I think every man (and women) should reflect on it and make a concerted effort to try it at least once in their lives. And it doesn't mean to transition to completely ignoring the opposite sex (versus pursue the opposite sex) - this is not a dichotomy - still treat the women you encounter in your life well - but remove the "fog" of sexual intent that blinds you and interact with them as individuals/people. I only say this because I notice a lot of men who go down this path tend to scoff at women/choose to purposely ignore them - that is not the right approach as they are still taking up mental space in your head.
Aaron clarey just likes to gaslight men to make them feel wrong that they are heterossexual, that's so s1ck and toxic.
It's like to tell a lesbian girl or a gay guy to stop liking the same gender, it's a very toxic thing to say.
This is very well put sir!
Preciate you taking the time to share. I definitely had a moment where I hit that realization. But for me, grinding towards financial success was both for a future partner but also for my immediate family. I wanted to be able to financially secure my parents and siblings. And I'm getting to that point now.
Don't chase the money, chase the work you love to do. As NOTHING in life will bring you more fulfilment than having the time/freedom/energy to work on the things that matter most to you.
Very underrated comment.
you HAVE to be immoral to win in modern dating. being decent and honest gets you NOWHERE
Yep
that ends up in a race to the bottom, not everyone can win, hence the tragedy of the commons
This is why the Chad's excel. Most, if not all Chads, have personality disorders. Think sociopaths and narcissists. These people have no conscience which makes it easy for them to ignore social boundaries.
Being an ugly and immoral won't get you shit.
Women only like HANDSOME men, immoral or not.
Don't whine when karma will hit you
I used to think that that there was something wrong with my personality or something that people don’t like me or pay me attention while some folks have it very easy to make friends and hang out. It’s not that I am not cultured or articulate. I studies sciences and follow cultural trends. But the moment everything started to making sense was when I discovered wheat waffles. It’s not what you say it’s who says it.
I don't totally agree, but that's true to a certain point.
Exactly. Unless you are very autistic, your personality is not the problem. When you actually listen to other people talk you realize they do not possess any social abilities beyond yours, they simply are getting a different response and it's all because of looks and social status.
It took me lots of videos to fully realize the BP in all aspects.
We are treated dogshit our entire lives and just assume thats the way it is.
But when we stop to compare our interactions with what better looking guys get, there's no denying that looks is everything.
Its so obvious but at the same time its not because of endocrination.
You should read "the shy man syndrome. why men become love-shy and how they can overcome it" I'm a lot like you, from what you've said, and when I read this book, which is the result of an actual research, I learned a lot, but the short summary is that you have a genetic and upbringing condition that favors behaviors that end with you isolating yourself, of course the book will explain it much better, I will say you this, read the first like 5 chapters, and if you don't find a situation in which it was described to you a situation in your own life to the detail, then it's not probably what you have, but if it's true, then read to the end.
The book is on the internet archive if it helps
Most of the top % men on dating apps are just there to hook up, not settle down.
That's why women blame men, because they expect something which was never available in the firstplace.
Asymmetric information indeed.
11:55 "How he can lie with a sense of pride, I have no idea." Excellent point. He shouldn't. As a 50 yo who has been married for 16 years, integrity is the most powerful trait a man can have. It took me a long time to find the right person, so please don't give up. Keep trying, reach out with genuine care and concern for the other individual and it will show through. Be honest but also take it slow. Relationships need time to breath and there are compromises along the way. They shouldn't be bad compromises because you both want what is best for the other person. My wife and I made an agreement when we were dating that we would both try and do one thing each day to make the other person's day better and it has been wonderful. Integrity drives all of this. If you commit to your significant other then truly commit or move on. It's only fair to give 100% if it's going to last. Good luck out there, it is a much more difficult world these days, but many of us older peeps want the best for you and want you to succeed more than anything. Love y'all!
I think you should get yourself checked for Alzheimer's, because you seemed to forget literally everything that was said in the video by the time you wrote this comment.
The market has failed on several levels. There is no "finding the right person" with any level of reliability. There are too many males buying into a market full of delusional, picky sellers who have lost their ability to properly retain their value.
This is the way. We need talk to our elders on how marriages and dating work out long term. It's so obvious to do, you don't think about it.
Men are being punished and ostracized for integrity. What do you expect from them? To follow rules nobody cares about?
I changed my dating profile from 5'11" to 6'0" and I got 3x as many matches in a week
lol,really?
That’s cause of the filter for height.
80% of them filter for 6ft height.
I'm six feet tall. I don't use dating apps, but it makes me wonder if I were to enter 6' on my dating profile, do women assume that I'm lying and think that I am really 5',10"? It seems I would have to set it at 6'2", because 6'1" has some psychology and insecurity to it about lying with that one inch. "Oh, he's not 6' tall, but really 5'11", so he doesn't meet the cut."
A man being 6ft is like a woman being slim and under 25
Anybody else annoyed with online dating? I find that almost all the women I interact with online treat me like crap. And I'm a tall, handsome, and a financially independent man with a good job. Just recently I cancelled a date with a girl because she tried to use me as her backup plan. She didnt text me all day but all of a sudden was a quick replier when I called her out for being a selfish inconsiderate jerk. I deleted all my dating apps and decided I'll put in more effort to meet women in person.
Only very low quality women use online dating. Vast majority are obese, single mothers, or complete narcissists or scams. Its just not worth your time to try to find the 0.01% of women on there who could possibly be ok to date.
@@denisl2760
Agreed. It’s possible to get laid on dating apps but you gotta filter through way too much BS.
Online dating is trash because the conversation always begins with a battle for power and frame control. This is women executing their first sh!@ test right off the jump. They want to play the cat and mouse banter games to challenge men to see who passes their test of social and communication wittyness. Its always pulling teeth and never worth the time invested.
@MR. RICKLES FARTTENHOOS
Yup. Who has time for the back and forth game of one-upsmanship? Not me.
same here
I think dating expectations and personal values are a massive aspects that are missed on dating apps.
Very well done. One of the problems with the way dating seems to be working these days is that the people looking for dates only have very superficial information to base their choice on, a picture and some details which may or may not be true (and even the picture itself might be edited!) So as you say, this tips the advantage to the people or willing to present themselves in a false way.
She rather wait 2 years and be Chad's 39th option than to be the average guy (the 90% male) #1 option. She will use batteries in the interim and wait it out.
Men are keys women are locks.
For women to be a good lock she would only be opened by a very good key, chad.
😂😂. That’s hilarious. I’m not sure I’m looking for a “chad” but I will use these batteries and wait it out . I guess vibrators are public enemy number 1 now 😂.
@@Anna-vl2ni you are a psychopath
@@Anna-vl2ni your gonna lose either way tbh. But I think it's better than trapping some beta you ain't really into. However, if you can't land what you want it's simply because your not good enough.
@@loverofhumanity if I’m not good enough now then I can work on myself 🤷🏽♀️ . Also what’s wrong about waiting for the right one? Better than having sex with every Tom dick and Harry. Cause then I’d be a hore Right? Why are the men so catty on this thread 😂. I thought that was a female trait .
They don’t care about inequality in the sexual market because the inequality benefits women
10:01 This part is absolutely true in my past experience 😑 And once I dropped every guy who was ambiguous, suddenly the dating app hated me too for being "flaky". So glad to be out of the dating market.
100%. The guys want a girl with low body count yet they contribute to that problem by being ambiguous. Forget it.
@sidneyboo9704 the cost of commitment for men is enormous though. Divorce court, alimony, child support for kids that aren't yours.
Tell them that you want a relationship, you're clingy/creepy/boring. Tell them that you want casual sex then you're a bunch of other negative descriptors. Guys just can't win can they?
This is the best explanation of online dating I've ever seen. Thank you for educating all of us!
Paternity tests should be MANDATORY for every child. It would be unimaginably devastating to find out that your child was sired by another man and the woman deceived you about paternity.
Indeed. Not everyone looks almost like a physical clone of their Dad to the point their Mom's the only one who can reliably tell the difference when almost everyone on his side of the family can't. I keep on having to remind them all that my Dad's the one with greying hair and a beard.
When you mention this around thw women in your life watch their reaction. My mom freaked when I mentioned it about my kids. Turns out i have more half sisters then I thought.
This is probably more common than you think tbf.
Money making idea. Offer paternity tests at the maternity ward. $25 to do the test $10,000 not to do it.
@@matthewbiggin9887 Formal studies of blood types and via dna showed non-matched paternity *was* about 1% among highly religious and wealthy in the 1980s to 1990s and ranged up to 10% in some other groups with 2-3% being typical for most demographics.
Dating is the most ineffective system of pairing ever created.
Perhaps, but is any alternative better? Just like "Democracy is the worst method of ruling, after everything else", so is dating. Do you see something I don't? Prefer having your parents arrange marriages, or have the government arrange them?
My biggest problem in dating is a crippling fear of rejection. I literally get heartburn and a ridiculously high heartrate when I try to talk to women. Which kills my ability to think straight or to get/stay hard.
Drink alcohol. It helps me out. I mean i still got rejected by every girl I've asked out but at least i asked the question.
Unless that heart burn is due to some illness that prevents you from drinking. If so then I've got no advice to help you.
Perfect explanation. Straight to the point. Amazing demographics, beautiful pace with speaking. You earned a sub.
Great video, Wheat. For people coming to this channel from reaction channels because they heard about the black pill being misanthropic, this video provides eye-opening objectivity and ethics.
Misogynist* misanthropic means you donate a lot
@@Macoinebak no... Misanthropic means that you hate humankind, which is what the black pill is accused of. So what Random Guy wrote was correct
@@Macoinebak Just out of curiosity (and of course you don't have to answer) did you come here from a reaction channel?
@@RandomGuyyy Most of them do, blame that commie shill hasan
@@Macoinebak You’re thinking of philanthropic.
I love your format, less videos a month but with unmatched quality in details and research.
The fundamental issue is, in the mad rush of attempting to solve women's every need and want, society has made marriage so risky and lacking benefits to men that men are opting out and merely engaging in relationships for short term sex. Even just associating with women has become so risky that some men are even avoiding women in general. Think about it, from a legal standpoint associating with a woman is like dealing with a ticking bomb that may go off at any moment or maybe never.
The driving force behind this is women and men attempting to appease women.
No ads or BS. Straight content. Ty.
Dating, mate selecting has become human shopping in our current globalized consumer Era. Especially Dating on apps, men have to come up with a brand. Sort of like pro wrestlers they have to come up with a vivid and simple to categorize persona. Before stone cold Steve Austin, he was a millionaire glam wrestler. For instance, a guy can pick to be: athletic military guy, rich mature guy, artistic passionate guy from Europe, tattooed motorcycle guy, etc... being just a regular guy puts men at a disadvantage. Women are natural consumers. They love finding and measuring and comparing value among things. For instance, they love shiny rocks not for their usefulness but it's rarity or how few can own it (exclusivity). While common rocks or glass just as shiny are not desired because everyone can own it. If a silly fashion trend suddenly becomes a hit for a season, women will follow the trend because by wearing it, her value increases. Likewise women want a rare, highly seeked out man. Because by locking him down in a relationship, her value is solidified. If 6ft tall men were to norm, women will demand 6.5. The height itself or even the looks is not the most important factor for women, it's how their value will increase by Dating. Women trade in old hand bags for a newer better one, but we have a word for when they do this to men: hypergamy. If a friend zoned nice guy suddenly started to get massive attention from women (say he had a huge youtube channel, got on the news for heroics, wrote a best seller, started a band, etc...) he will start to look more attractive to the women that friend zoned him because he the kind of guy now that can validate their value as women.
Love is a thing of the past, before the consumer age.
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You got it! The last "Love Generation" wasn't the baby boomers, but their parents. The "hippie Movement" tried to hold onto those values altruistically, and was, in that regard an absolute failure. People often blame "free love" for this, but the availability of "the free stuff" hasn't even stopped prostitution from being popular. The real reason is as you indicated: Monetarism has INSTITUTIONALIZED the reduction of human value as a side effect. Notice, however the hue and cry going on from the far right about how it has rendered things like racism, religion and gender, as well as sexual orientation discrimination less powerful. Monetarism wasn't intended for that purpose, but due to DEMAND, it has produced it as a default, which now evokes resentment, and even violence from those think that their perceived advantage has been confiscated. Here's where it gets interesting: DEMAND is to blame as much as anything. Nowadays, it is sustainable for BOTH sexes, regardless of orientation to remain both single and childless, or nearly so, in comparison with earlier generations. This also is due to health care conditions lowering the death rate of individuals. The demand, therefore is ALSO A DEFAULT! (see "Mouse Utopia" for details.) My hope is the aforementioned will not result in officias persecution of single individuals, but the laws, fortunately prevent it. In the absence of that, however the OPPOSITE is the default (look at the legal and economic disadvantages of an official marriage for details), so that the only viable hypothesis is a return to classical (think Horatio Alger) as opposed to neoclassical (think Milton Friedman) capitalism. As it is we are expected to function in the latter as though we are living in the former. I propose that THIS is the problem that needs to be fixed.
If you have to pay for anything, she's not that into you.
Best comment here
That is only to a certain extent. Looks in dating follows game theory, where the only form of equal standing in dating is for everyone to be a 10/10. Personalities can be marketable, not looks. This is because of the halo and horn effects of perception by women.
The current western dating market can be compared to the current western housing market. If you're a dude and you can't get a girlfriend, it doesn't mean you are ugly necessarily or there's really anything wrong with you. It's just that the market demands that you be 6'3, have a ripped body, and look like Henry Cavill. And that's just to get some average looking chick. If you are not those things, and you can't get a girlfriend, congratulations you are in the 99 percent of the population. You see, it's not really you. The market standards in the not too distant past weren't this ridiculous. Being a normal average dude in the past, meant you get a normal average girlfriend. But you see, somewhere along the line, the market got inflated by feminism, social media, dating apps, and other factors. So basically, It's a rigged market if you're a man. This is much like the Western housing market too. Does it mean that you don't work hard enough just because you can't afford your own home? Definitely not. Just a very basic apartment in most western cities will set you back nearly $500,000. This wasn't the market standard in the not too distant past. Hell, back in the day, you could buy a pretty decent house for that price. But somewhere along the line the housing market got screwed up. Wealthy foreign investors, mass immigration, zonal building restrictions, property taxes, and other variants have over inflated the market and screwed it up. So basically, it's a rigged market. These are things beyond your control, so there's no use beating yourself up over the fact that you can't afford a house. If you want a house, just like if you want a girl, you need to go to a market somewhere else where it isn't completely inflated and rigged against you. There are places in the world where a basic apartment won't set you back half a million dollars. And yes, there are places in the world that don't require you to be a perfect 10 to get a girl who is plain bang average. You probably have something to offer a girl. So don't waste it on these ungrateful, selfish western b×tches who don't know the first thing about being feminine. I'd be just as likely to say to you that if you have $500,000, don't spend it on some crappy little city apartment. Take that money and go buy yourself that luxury beach home in Thailand. There's actually a life out there for you lads. Just because the market around you is rigged, it doesn't mean that you should make yourself miserable by playing a game that's been designed for you to lose.
Nice comment. I thought it was civil until it escalated equickly about the comment of western women lol. And I don't want to date thai women, I'd rather stick to white women, even in this inflated market
Supply and demand. This simple fact goes over 100% of people's heads.
@@donwarren3253 Nothing he said was uncivil.
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70 percent of people are in relationships but 50 percent of young men are not in one. So you're exaggerating but 50 percent is still big.
Actually a very well put together video! I disagreed with a couple things but the important thing is highlighting the aspects of Modern Dating that may not be so obvious to others, so that those people as well as everyone else can operate with these concepts in their day-to-day awareness. Awareness/knowledge can almost always improve situations with little to no downsides. Gotta give credit where it's due. Great video!
I really like the format of this video. There is a lot of research behind it and the information is presented comprehensively. Keep it up!
10:00 I really appreciate you encouraging ethics, honesty and common courtesy in people when dating.
This is so rare in today's red pill communities, in fact it is almost non-existent. 👍
But this is not redpill tho, this is blackpill
@@gaelr.s7123 I am 100 % aware of that. Your point being...?
Blackpill is the same as redpill it is just a smaller community that is a part of redpill.
To take the black pill you must first take the red pill to gain "awareness"
Biggest difference is how the black pill acts based on that redpill awareness.
@@siegfriedo I thought you confused this with the redpill because you mentioned it in your comment. But I misunderstood
It's too idealistic. If you'll be honest and care about other's happiness on dating market you'll end up being forever alone.
While the folks just like you who say proper sugarcoated lies will get the girls and stuff.
You'll never be rewarded for being honest there.
Imagine paying some random guy for a face rating lmao. Your experiences in life of how women treat you should give a clear indication as to whether you’re attractive or not.
It really makes me question the intelligence of a lot of this audience man.
His ratings means nothing, your experience means everything
People cope so hard and need the honest truth. Sometimes blatant honesty doesn’t even help smash their cope.
@@hermanhenderson966 I suppose, but either way his advice is no different to what you'd get from any redpill self-improvement coper, also he got exposed and he's a normie, so kind of feels like he's making a career off the blackpill when he's a fakecel.
@A Hes just a insecure guy, half the people who agree with his views are incels 😂😂
@A Are you FOS or is WW lying about your rating? My bet is you are FOS
I think everyone (both men and women) just have their expectations set too high. We're all expecting to find the perfect SO because we consume so much social media and see the best moments of everyone else's life. We want that. But in reality, everyone has their flaws and life is not always perfect.
80% of divorces are filed by women. Who has expectations too high?
Indeed, but can you blame people? To be jealous is only natural. The solution could be to have everyone at a super same playing field. Everyone has to be married, live in a same house and have three kids. But that's dystopian as heck.
Men have just expectations and it already fails at that lol
It’s the women with the impossible more than 6ft tall expectations.
I wouldn’t take it all to serious. Just simply keep in mind: You cannot negotiate attraction and true desire. It happens when it happens. And until it happens you get declined.
Yes, it's not something that can really be calculated. I have a couple friends who are married to women who many might consider are 'out of their league' but, they're decent guys who are stable and just happened to find that match at the right time. There's not really a formula to it. Best thing I think, while you're younger especially, is to go out, socialize , expand your network, the more people you know the more opportunities you will have of meeting someone you're compatible with. Even if you date a girl who doesn't romantically connect with you, stay on good terms, she probably has a sister/cousin/friends who are in the market or might be in the future. Treat every date experience as a chance to learn something and/or expand that social circle.
Disagree, i been around the block, i know tall men, i know rich men, i know poor men and i know VVIP men.
And women have confided in me enough to know whats up.
Tall, rich, or very high status men could get “ love “ any day of the week.
When you say when the time is “right” you just mean women who tried and wasted their youth trying to get those men but failed and now she’s quickly scurrying and “settling down” with a normal guy.
That’s why divorce rate is 80% of the time initiated by women.
Because they are often bitter they didnt get their first choice.
We digged our own grave creating a system that satisfies all women needs:
Protection -> State
Food and Shelter -> Work
Sex -> Chad + Birth Control
Attention -> SIMPS
Is there a place for us in this system?
Yes -> wage slave -> pay taxes -> money will be invested into their needs.
Have a good day, guys!
suifuel
lol men killed themselves. should have IQmaxxed
So how about you become a Chad like figure then. It's not rocket science .
stop paying taxes, then.
@@the_rover1 just go to the hills. Live In anarchism.
When women complain about being compared to objects, they are just creating a straw man. No one is saying they are a vehicle or an object, the car is meant to be an analogy so everyone can understand the decision making process. Similarly, we could say a modern woman is equal to an ex-con in the dating market: they have a checkered past and questionable decision making skills.
Either way you look at it, they are trying to get the conversation away from their actions and place the blame on you.
I saw a tweet when a guy who works at McDonald's proposed to his girlfriend who works at the same place. Some guy was in the comments asking about how much money he made. Despite them both having jobs and all the crap about equality, people are fine with defining men's worth by how many zeroes are in the their bank account. Imagine women complaining about being objective but aren't outraged when half the human population is reduced to money.
The irony is that women are precisely those who promote it. Proof of that are the tiktoks, Onlyfans, the thousands of photos they post on instagram, facebook...
@@miltonmerlo4103 True. They objectify themselves.
As they usually do, no accountability for their own actions. But hey, that's women for ya
For not wanting to be objectified, they sure put their objects front and center on display to be ified.
Exceptionally clear and insightful, as always.
I never meet up with guys that say their just dating "casually". Because they're not dating anyway, they just want one thing. And then they get aggressive and try to pressure you when you say no, even tho you told him you're ONLY looking for serious dates. It's exhausting, I often feel like a piece of meat when dating.
maybe because you're chad only?
I'm pre sure women are no different.
She will say she wants a relationship, then next say say she isn't looking for one. Literally just messing with your feels and playing mind games.
@@neddiecn6343 Both genders have people who do that, both genders have people who get hurt through that. It's not a black and white issue, it's simply more dangerous for women and girls. That however does not negate the emotional turmoil anyone suffers from being played with.
@@sophiedamgen7098 It's dangerous for men when women accuse them of r*pe/sexual harassment.
Maybe you're attracting the wrong type of guys lol. There's lots of guys, like myself, who want more than just sex. Loyalty, Respect, Love, a sort of traditional woman are what most good men are looking for. The problem is that majority of women don't know what else men want besides sex, and have such high standards for most men, when dating, so you ignore or reject guys who want more out of woman besides sex.
You'd have to hire private investigators every time you need to vet a woman for potential long-term dating, I stopped counting the times they used fake/old photos of when they were 10 years younger & 50 pounds lighter.
I'm not joking or exaggerating btw, I remember one chick showed up to a date at the park and obviously I didn't recognize her. She walks up to me, we talk for like almost an hour about how crazy dating is these days and I bring up how she looks nothing like her photos and she admits they're from when she graduated highschool but then says it's okay cause "everyone uses old photos"- even me apparently.
She seemed sorta offended after I brought it up so I told her my photos are like 2 weeks old and she pulls out her phone to show me my profile, looks it over and says "Wow, you look different in person then".
Then we go through each other's phones and laugh at how she has like 600 matches or something crazy and I have like 30. She offers me weed, but I don't smoke & we don't bang(she literally offers to go to the parks' bathrooms to do it with me and it grosses me out) so I drive her home cause she wasn't a total bitch to me like other girls.
We get to her house and she hugs me before she gets out of the car saying "I'm glad I met you now and not when I was skinnier", I'll probably never forget how sad she sounded saying that.
Why did she say the last line?
@@strikingitrich7630 ; beats me man, but judging by the entire conversation I think she regrets being a hoe when she was skinnier and now that she's not it probably hurts knowing she lost the best time she had to have a real intimate relationship with a man.
@@strikingitrich7630 guilt trip.
Men yall should of just banged at least you would of gotten something out of it.
"I'm glad I met you now and not when I was skinnier", aka, "I gave my better version of myself to other men and now you have to accept the worse of me and if you dont youre an incel, teehee!"
In this context, the word “dating” should now always have sarcastic quotes around it.
An all-attention, sexless, simpish “foodie call” is not a date.
A sex only, pump and dumpy “bootie call” cannot be euphemistically described as a “date” either.
Unless you are a female, of course. Because then euphemisms always come in might handy.
Indeed. There are simps who pay for what Tyrones get without lifting the little finger. The term „dating“ refers to both cases, as there is no in-between any longer.
Seriously I hate Foodie calls so much.
Sure the food is awesome but a $60 bill and a thank you is not what I was expecting
It's a "date" for Chad except it's straight to his bedroom. The foodie call is 2 hours before with the 5'8 average guy simp who unknowingly paid $200 for her dinner and for Chad's dessert she brings him at 11pm.
Foodie call?
@@bunnystrasse It's when a woman asks you out, or gives you the opportunity to so you can go on a date and she can get a free meal out of you for nothing in return.
Good work. Good advice. Thank you.
Meh, dating isn't worth the effort, and it certainly isn't worth the heartbreak.
Hypergamy needs to start being regarded as shamefully immoral and delusional as it really is.
The game is broken, by everyone (especially women) thinking that they are 10’s.
yeah, like islam do... ;)
How are you going to shame women for their base biological nature? Such a system is inherently unsustainable. The solution is on the genetic and eugenic level, but nobody will seriously pursue this for the billions upon billions of women currently on the Earth and their female children.
@@eljeffe3120 by saying good choices and other sarcasms when they complain about being “cheated on” by Chad and Tyrone.
Lmao you sound like trying to demoralise a lioness for hunting its preys 😂.
Hypergamy will exist till the day humans exist until and unless some biological changes are made.
@@sushilsharma4202 In aspects of life where nature takes too much power, mankind takes back control of it violently, and vise versa.
Based. You're becoming world famous wheat. You probably don't realize the extent to which your research is influencing people, but there will come a point where this information simply can't be denied anymore. Keep up the good fight!
Your stance on immorality in the asymmetric info section was great! I appreciate the standards you have.
The problem boils down to hypergamy and a majority of women feeling they are a 10. Since women only date up, and most of them feel they are a 10, then they are looking for 11s. And 11s do not exist on a scale of 1 - 10. So there are a lot of women looking for unicorns.
Only in their 30s and 40s do they acquire enough life experience to be rational about their expectations. But by then they are beyond child bearing age and are only of use to men who have already had children with another woman.
I managed to get my first date in a year the other week, went on a second date, tried to get a third but it turns out she has a boyfriend. Short, ugly and a lack of game. It's tough out here.
You could have stopped at short and ugly, lel. There is no game for your bad genes.
what is your height? how many gfs did you had?
@@GGWP-nx3kn I bet he only showers like ONCE day and doesn't even use tactical soap. Probably hasn't had a fresh haircut in like 3 days lol.
@@GGWP-nx3kn at least he got a date something you simps will never get
I do see being tall as an advantage, but being short really shouldn’t be a problem as long as you’re taller than the women. There’s plenty of Latinas and Asians around 5’2. I’m just under 5’8 btw
At this point I'm convinced that to reverse this problem there would need to be a conflict on a massive scale, like another world war, to mobilise society towards a specific common goal that requires manpower to achieve. The average man just doesn't hold any value in good and easy times and the ridiculous state of the dating market is irrefutable evidence of that.
no worries. it is inevitable as it is will be natural consequence of the mess we currently have
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Sadly I'm thinking the same. The process already started looking at poorer countries where men are accepted only as cannon fodder during wartime and miners during peacetime \o/
Unfortunately (or fortunately), a huge crisis on the scale of World War 2 seems to only be about a few years away, at best, maybe sooner. As much as I don’t want a crisis to happen, I think it’s inevitable. I have hopes that our society will come out greater than what it was prior to the crisis.
@@MichaelengeloMC Government and welfare are words that collide in each other when met in one sentence
You might not have the largest following, but you are by a mile the most intellectual manosphere guru. very well explained. liked and subbed.
Interestingly there may already be a solution from the past that can help with this issue: a Profesional matchmaker. In the past it was not uncommon for their to be a matchmaker whose job it was to match up suitors who were interested in a serious long term relationship.
This solves the problem because those who go to a matchmaker are already eliminating the problems of flakiness and non commitment because they are going to a pool of people who are seriously looking for a long term relationship. It then gets narrowed even further as the number of suitors gets more and more refined.
It may first seem weird, but matchmakers were the norm for most of human history until modernity. Ironically, or not so ironically, an old-fashioned solution may solve a modern problem.
lol bro match makers went out of business cuz of hypergamy. Quickly the lady match makers realized they were screwed cuz they saw fellow women wouldnt pick a guy, & thus matchmaking became dead. Which is why they became dating coach grifters. They pivotted & realized they could monetize mens lonliness cuz woman are running rough shed over the market... the guy who made this video understands nothing!
The last point killed my mood for today. You are connecting the dots in human behaviour and effects not only in the dating market but also reason how it is applied in other problems. Mankind is doomed because of ~10%, who are selfish and won't comply with the collective group. There is no hope mankind will be able to solve the big issues like climate crisis, water crisis etc., unless by violent force, if we suppose this statement to be true.
Its the Chads and simps fault
@@donwarren3253 Lmao gotta wrangle up chads and simps and remove them it's the only way👍
Not solely chads fault.
It’s at least equally the 80% of women trying to have knife fights to get/keep Chad.
Awareness would be enough. We would be too much, so little force needed. People don't care about being aware.
Climate crisis is a hoax.
This is one of the most insightful videos i've personally ever encountered on youtube regarding to this content.
I love how you also highlighted female related information aswell as male realted information. Unlike the youtuber Noah Samsen who tries to portray the blackpill as evil and being dangerous, you instead highlights the obvious imbalances for both men and women. Also, providing an excellent analogy with the car scenario, showing how some feel lied to when their partners lie about certain parameters of who they are a person. Also, pointing out the few guys who use and abuse women like they are an infinite resource, which they are not and destroying dating for everyone else and even in some cases removing that woman entirely from the dating market and how it is immoral to sabotage the womans mental health and others guys chances for nothing but their own personal gain.
the other day waffles was posting in the community section that his effort to make contact with neil samsen and offer a public discussion with him wasn't replied to at all.
this made me go visit neils channel and I hit his critique video about WWs content. to be honest, I couldn't bare watching the video to the very end since most stuff is dragged off context and his arguments lack logic. anyway, I made it into the comment section of neils video, and I commented on about 2 dozens of replies there for one and a half hour straight. the energy there is unbelievably passive aggressive, hot tempered and often plain mean. I got the impression that these people are in either fear or lack of deeper understanding and empathy what men and women actually go through when dating or divorcing. it is far more laid back and mature over here on the channels of black pill content creators like WW, "replicant phish" and alike.
only "man talk" seems a tad bitter, but he gives brutally honest commentary on female tik tok online cringe.
@@the_rover1 Unfortunately, people like Noah Samsen are not willing to offer a fair and honest discussion at all and will take a stab at people and retreat into the dark as soon as the people he pokes at respond to him. From what i could tell, all he cared about is the classic "Haha Incel XD lol + virgin + never spoke to woman + ratio", type of arguement with zero logic or reasoning to back it up. I was actually engaged in a "discussion" with his commenters- i use the term discussion loosely because i was more like, "I know a guy" type arguements and a passive agressive tone with zero basis, i am refers to the comment chain of some guy pointing out that women prefer taller men and him being slammed by everyone for "needing to go touch grass" and "talk to a real woman" and being referred to as an incel. Also about Noah, im pretty sure his channel is bitching about other creators, spefically people like Think Before You Sleep, and calls everyone an incel who disagrees with him, because let's be real. No guy wants to be an incel; the online community, not the actual definitio due to the cnnations behind it.
Same goes for Hamza copers. The people here at least use rational arguments whereas redpill creators argue with their ego.
@@jokerpilled2535 The amount of "I know a guy' arguements is fucking insane at times, and also the good ol fashion ' broooo i slay like 10 chicks a month and i have a normie face', like my guy is a chadlite thats 6'2 and ripped and is pretending that we are all in the same boat.
@@BlackHole-qv5no sometimes it feels like I’m arguing with females in those comment sections. And people say men are rational…redpillers proved me wrong.
Problems are a lot of people date before they can fully mature, and when they get hurt, they think of the opposite sex in the wrong way
This is very well-put. I never thought to think of it in economic terms, and that makes a lot of sense now thank you.
I freaking love this channel, it's so clear and the different analogies are on point.
The work behind those videos mist be insane.
You should definitely consider doing research into social studies, it could be a nice help for how our societies view men and their struggles.
My cousin matched with a Swedish guy on Tinder in 2018. He's a doctor(dermatologist) tall, blonde, v handsome. But they didn't date, were just friends but he really liked her. She dated other guys between then. Well she went to Sweden a few months ago and he proposed to her cos she finally gave him a chance and hearing the story made me go 😞
I'm happy for them but that's legit 4years while she put him on the back burner for other people.
Hearing them tell the story is like, "everything works out in the end."
Back burner while she increased her lay count from 28 to 68. She's ready for him to BETA BUXX now.
He's a Simp. They wont last.
@@RiniDiamandis The way that people casually either lie or misrepresent the events of their lives is something that endlessly disgusts me.
sounds like she couldn't do any better (in her eyes) and settled .
his mistake is liking her more than she likes him ("just friends" = BS) and taking her back after 4 years. I would've let her come back to me BUT put HER on tge back burner until she proves herself.
Yeah, a solutions video would be nice. This was a very good explanation video for how the dating market is currently set up and how messed up it actually is. Until it is finally fixed it will not end well in the future for humanity and is actually a very serious problem that really should have a lot more attention put on it than it currently does.
Your videos are spot on my friend. That is why I stoped playing the silly games years ago. The young men out there need to learn these thing to prevent these issues from affecting them. Great content my Brother! Men do what is best for you and that is not selfish-You are importiant, your time, resources, and money are very valuable don't waste them. Fellows enjoy your youth, health and strength are precious! accomplish your goals...
Inequality: Inequality of sex and relation access
Externalities: The state influence outcome of people (mariage for exemple)
Monopolies: Chad and Chadlite have the monopolie of the casual sex market
Asymmetric info: Women know the game because they made it, men get the info after taking the red and the blackpill
Free Rider Problem: Some women take the most of the market without giving sex/relation (foodies women)
Tragedy of the Commons: Being an average men is a very bad situation in 2022
Market Instability: divorce, single mom, damaged women and beta male are the outcome of these instability
I disagree with that. Women must also learn about relationships. This is called pink pil.
@@gregorygreg9655 lawl
awesome
Spot on comment!
Great Summary
Great content. Tinder needs to be burned down, just like Snapchat, TikTok and Instagram.
@Adolfthejewbaka _ If all forms of birth control and contraception were banned, the dating market would correct itself but women would riot in the streets and revolt against society, so we'd be right back where we started
@Adolfthejewbaka _ a bit extreme, but I like the spirit.
@Adolfthejewbaka _ Women would never go for this. They would rebel and destroy the last remnants of a functioning society we have. It's too late, the cats out of the bag. Most women have sexually experienced the top 10% of men and they are not going back to average men under most circumstances. The west is done, it's purpose in history is now to serve as a reminder of wat not to do as a society.
@Adolfthejewbaka _ exactly. Extreme conditions demand extreme responses.
@@malakbrood667 You guys are just too blind for girls. That's it! Do you guys have any idea how Instagram/TikTok made new millionaires? Despite the silliness of these social media apps, they're a blessing for entrepreneurs and are creating new millionaires every day. But you guys are just too blind for girls to realize how good these social media can be tbh. For me at least, I prefer being rich and getting fucked by the black pill from those apps rather than being mediocre money-wise and still getting fucked by the black pill from those apps. You choose how to deal with it! 👍
One of THE best self-help videos for man!! Thank you!!
Damn, I love your presenting skills..!s there any place where I can learn how to make presentations/ videos like you?
I was looking at dating in the 1940s/50s, it's literally the opposite of today:
1)women were humble/pragmatic (knew their actual looks-value, and seeked out their appropriate looks match)
2)almost all men were lean and fit and look maxed.
3)Men were more emotionally controlled (stoic and rational).
4)Military service/fighting was common, thus confidence was very high.
5)men were well socialized, nueroric issues were uncommon (akward behavior, social anxiety, cynicism, apathy, etc).
5)men got high paying jobs right out of high school.
6)Simping was non-existant. Men (at most) would pay for pin up photos, (even Betty Page hardly made any money nor could get a SINGLE BF or even a one night stand).
7)Social pressure/physical violence "weeded out" beta behavior. Manchilden or dude-bro escapists, didn't exist.
Basically today (2020s) is "perfect storm", of delusional women + to many soybeta males (low testosterone).
Yeah 1950s was not good for anyone who was not white
I think you've fallen for the good old days fallacy.
You’re delusional if you think betty page cant get ons lmao dudes have always been easy when it comes to casual
were did you read that? I read an study which researched what the researcher called "love-shy" men, and one of the groups was 200 men in their 40's, this was in the late 70's so they would've been born just before your time range and grown into it, and there were definitely a lot of non confident, not well socialized men at that time
Women had to find a husband to support them. Now they don't.
Best analysis of the year! I've really liked it!!!! Brilliant!
That was an excellent video! I just subscribed.
I’m 37 single and I would like to find someone. However i never chose to leave the dating market , the market left me . Just gotta deal with it .
Get a passport.
Been here since day 1 and it's amazing how consistent you've been with your work. The quality has greatly improved as well which is a testament to your work ethic. Great stuff my guy
@AtheJbaka pfff broo I'm from way back before the FaceandLMS vids... I'm talking about the FORUMS my G. Wish FaceandLMS would get back to making vids again tho...
Man this is brilliant; certainly one of your best videos.
Wow, I was sceptical at first, but you were spot on with your analysis. I have seen for many years now, I am in my late 50's now, been married a couple of times, just for clarification, and I am not ugly, but most definitely not in the 10%. I notice how women are 'punching above their weight' as we say in the UK. I have seen it like window shopping, everyone is looking at the expensive pair of shoes, or the expensive sports car, that they CAN'T afford. So they go into the shop (men and women, but more women) asking to buy that pair of shoes for half price , the store owner just laughs in their face, they go away disappointed, but rather then look for shoes they CAN afford, they just drool over the ones they cant have and ignore the ones they can. Not even the most ordinary woman will reply online, but you get likes and messages from people you just wouldn't even consider, that's when I realised the window shopping analogy . As I, am obviously 'their' expensive shoes they cant afford, and they cant! I saw myself doing the very same thing, but at least I was realistic, I would like women who I knew would not be interested, you never know right, no, you know! but I also liked those I could see were on the same level, there was the odd one that would reply and start to chat, but that was a rarity. I think its a problem of 'online shopping' it has spilled over into 'online dating' the same psychology is in play, people have been manipulated into buying things they don't really need and cant afford, and now they see online dating in the same way, brain washed. It can be different when you meet people face to face , just my opinion and experience, for what its worth. Cheers
Fancy way to say you’re shallow and think the women you’re interested in are objectively low value
@@sinew1000 I don't think you read it correctly, It is all about who you find attractive, and who you don't. It's all window shopping as you see the pictures and make a decision on where to go from there. There is no point at which I say the women 'I am' interested in are in any way 'of low value'. It is not 'shallow' to have 'looks' take a part in who find attractive, that is 'normal', we all of course have our own preferences.
@@avataroftheblue if you are interested in a woman but believe she goes for guys out of her league on the basis of looks you are absolutely implying she’s too ugly for her aspirations lol. you think the women you’re interested in are lower value than they do, and you arrogantly believe your rating system is the objective metric
Tragedy of the Commons for me. Being a Normie and warm approaching, unfortunately I was always beaten by my more attractive friends. Even cold approaching, I would get attention, but get flaked and sometimes rejected. There's better looking and taller men in the clubs/pubs. The dating market became brutal. I just kept playing the numbers game. The rejection/flaking is enough to crush a man ego for good. For me to suceed in the dating market, I had to work extra hard.
Elaborate on what worked for you please. Lotta men here need that information lol
@@pietwitten640 being persistent really. For every 30 girls I'd meet, 1 would atleast go on a date/ not flake. Its difficult and time consuming. Regularly going out, approaching women and getting rejected all just to get a average/below average woman. I don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze (as no relationship is guaranteed to even last long term).
But yes the key to dating success as a normie I think relies on strong resilience because you will suffer tonnes of rejection and get flaked on so much.
@@mgtowmonkapprenticegang8426 wow you were quite persistent and desperate to do all that work just to find a master who will spend your money :)
@@mistermoo7602 you've misinterpreted what I said then. I wouldnt say its "dumb luck". Running the numbers game in a cold approach is how I found success in the dating market. As a normie I had to work extra harder in this approach than a Chad would but its not a impossible task. Nevertheless its not a easy task either.
@@mistermoo7602 well no I don't think there's any cognitive dissonant about it. There's nothing self contradictory about it. I don't like running the numbers game, but I don't see any other method for me to have success in the dating market. I'm not a Chad and never will be. So I will have to work extra harder than a Chad will, as evident if you were to compare my dating life to a Chad dating life.
Whilst I complain about my condition, I accept it. Such is life.
Things are never going back.
Whatever life was for our parents or grandparents, it's never going back. What separates human beings from other life on the planet is our ability to adapt. AND WE WILL ADAPT. The truth is, and this applies to both men and women, is that we must begin the process of redefining what happiness is, because whatever happiness was for previous generations before us is simply no longer relevant to people growing up in the modern world.
Things are never going back.
We must adapt. We will adapt. We will evolve.
Welcome to the future. . . Good luck. . .
Our grandparents cheated on eachother
id rather hang myself and hopefully be reborn as a chad
I hope and pray that you're wrong...
@@rod7177 All of existence is in a constant state of flux. There is never going to be a final version of humans nor of human society. Whatever landscape we are currently transitioning into, as dystopian as it may seem, will one day itself be replaced by something even more foreign, even more alien. True "Blackpill" ideology goes beyond notions of romance, it allows us a glimpse into a doorway which leads toward the closest thing the human race can ever know to freedom. One day a small selection of our brothers and sisters will ascend into Godhood, and only then will we begin to understand...
...just how truly little any of it really mattered.
You'll no longer suffer under illusions of fear, you'll no longer desire to.
#Blackpillundefeated
I agree with you.. I'm figuring before I die there will be several fundamental changes in human society that could make things for all of us better or worse. But yeah that traditional concept of a job you have till retirement, college education meaning instant legitimacy, being married to one person for life.. that's probably all fading away. There's gonna be a redefinition of everything, alot of it will have to do with impermanence and uncertainty and we are prolly just gonna have to learn to live with it.
That intro was too spot on!
Fantastic video and amazing analysis. Knowing economics I completely agree and now see the dating market much clearer
This channel is gold. Looking at these things in a objective and dispassionate way is what we need 👍