Which is hilarious because in the original mythology he stayed with Callipso as a lover for years, and the same for Circe. In some later traditions he even marries Circe later on (weirdly other traditions make Telemachus marry Circe), and fathers several children including the founder of Rome, Romos.
@@MrJoeyWheelerI'm pretty sure in the original Odyssey by Homer he's actually pretty much raped for seven yesrs by Calypso. If I recall it is described that Odysseus cried every day at the beach to return home.
I am excited for Apollo. I am really excited and nervous because I know in mythology and as a whole, his whole thing is being very artistic and his voice is supposed to be like really good so I’m hoping the voice actor will do a great job as a Apollo
@@D9gamer1234 By that logic Poseidon should be there. I think it is still Apollo. Helios does exist canonically in the Epic but he is not the part God Games
Little wolf has a callback to Ruthlessness, in the mentioned song, Poseidon states "Guess the pack of wolves is swimming with the shark now" which implies Ody is the Alpha wolf, in his son is referred as "little wolf"
@@vismaykedilaya1318 That's the funny thing. The original wolf study where we got alpha and beta terminolgy from was done on captive wolves. But it was inaccurate because captive wolves don't act the same as wolves in the wild. They can't hunt for food, the live in much smaller spaces, can't choose to move to another area, etc. In the wild, the alpha male and female are LITERALLY dad and mom and the other wolves in the pack are their offspring (thats why only the alphas breed, because the other wolves are all siblings). And in the wild, the alphas look after the other wolves, making sure they have enough food, safety and care. So the most accurate definition for an alpha wolf is a loving parent.
At the end of the love in paradise clip there’s a little clock sound that makes me think the time dive happens there and Athena is looking at what Odysseus is doing at the moment
@@solagovideos ooh, i was about to coment that as a theory in the fist version of this saga edit compilation. If the wisdom saga happen so far in the future with telemachus, then i didn't make sense to have "love in Paradise" as the fourth song, going back in time to (most likely) after Zeus killed ody's crew, so i tought it was better that Athena was watching "love in Paradise" as a memory of the past yo whe odiseus first arrive to the island, explaining the ticking sound in the background the whole song
The time dive is unironically one of the coolest ideas in the entirety of music and I love Jorge for that. It speaks so clearly about, firstly, he care he puts into the music AND story, making sure there isn’t a confusing part where Athena just suddenly somehow “knows” how he got there, and secondly that he is very creative and loves the same things his audience loves: Anime and Video Games. I have not heard of a more anime term than Time Dive in all of musical history. I love that I can completely visualize Athena’s descent just by the words “Time Dive” and the music it plays, with all of the crazy events and memories that come back with just a second of music. Amazing
My guess is that near the end of Legendary, Telemachus is gonna do smth that upsets the Suitors, causing some dark outro to the song which eases into Little Wolf better.
is it just me, or does the time dive part in 4:00 sound like athena going through odysseus' memories of meeting Aeolus ( keep your friends close ), punished by Poseidon ( Ruthlessness ), helped by Circe ( There are other ways ), and hearing his future from Tiresias ( No longer you )?? im excited to see the visual representation of it in the livestream!
@@yourmotherspetunicornThe time dive is when Athena goes through Odysseus's memories trying to find him since he's gone missing after falling in the water in Thunderbringer. In doing so you can hear parts of previous songs.
1:21 How did I just realize Legendary calls back to the Full Speed Ahead motif. The music nerd in me lost its ever loving mind. Jorge! When I find you, Jorge! 😂 3:54 😢 Telemachus does the same vocal run Odysseus did in Warrior of the mind 7:14 Call back to “Please don’t make me do this!”
I found Miguel Velosco credited on *Keep your friends close,* so if IT IS him- OMG he's voice is everything i could ask for And. More!💙 Also- Thanks for adding the "Time dive", tho honestly i thought it would be in *We'd be fine.* "Anyways-" can't wait for this saga!🦉
3:52 Am I crazy or is that the same wavey vocal thing that Odysseus does in Warrior of the Mind? Specifically the bits where he sings the line Warriors of the mind? They even both do it on the word mind!
7:24 - 7:42 Re-listening to these snippets again after the Thunder Saga, I suddenly find Ares' frustration here way more understandable. Like, he's completely right, he didn't fight Scylla, he went into it already knowing he'd sacrifice six men. Truthfully, you could argue the only time Odysseus handled "something up front" would be the sirens, but Ares isn't the type to see it that way, because they sneaked around instead of stabbing them outright. The only thing he said that was out of line was bringing up Telemachus. Say what you want about what is moral and what is right, but Ares is entitled to feel that way, we all have our own opinions. And I don't think Athena's arguments to him and Aphrodite are wrong, but they are very simple. The "solutions" don't really address what either of them said, just kind of slaps a bandaid on them; Like, you want more macho warrior murder fun times? Well _this guy_ wants that too, if you let him free! His mother died waiting for him to get back from the war? Well she's dead now...but people who've experience heartbreak can heal! Like, I guess so...."ahh, release him". I don't know how I'll feel about the song in full when it releases, but generally I think its tone is off for what it's meant to be? Athena is supposed to argue with all of these gods to set Odysseus free, and it's made to feel like this big humongous task, but then why is it so easy? Athena presents one argument and the other gods immediately fold, it's a little weird.
i think it's cause they kinda don't gaf, unlike athena, zeus and maybe apollo? they have no personal stakes in this. aphrodite goes "eh" when zeus asks cause she doesn't seem to care that much (and it's not like her accusations are entirely rational either like how could odysseus know his mother would die of a broken heart from missing him? that's not his fault. very much god logic). ares is the god of war and is pissed precisely because odysseus isn't an honorable warrior who went head to head against scylla, but he's also a brute who would be pleased with the promise of more bloodshed.
I honestly would like if Ares brought back Eurylochus' point of view during his section because why not? Ares has always been "The Soldier's War" compared to Athena's "The General's War", so having to bring back "the voice of the crew/soldiers" against the general/captain would be interesting.
Ares is one war god. Odysseus is Athena’s warrior (who is a god of war- focused on strategy, protection and leadership). The thing about Greeks is that trickery is not seen as a bad trait in their heroes. So while not facing head on is bad for ares (who is the war god for bravery and battle), it does not make Odysseus a bad warrior.
This is just my own opinion but I think Athena’s argument actually does addresses what goes on by saying that if he’s freed, he will satisfy their whims because he is a completely different person now. From Aphrodite, who also is partly a war god or related to war, she says that ody will kill anyone to get back to the ones that he loves. He loves them so much he’s willing to forgo any moral high ground he had just to make it home. Go through any trial and tribulations for that goal And ares is easy. He wants ody to be more upfront, well he will be. Straight out threaten death for being in his way. Make them suffer. It’s not all about trickery anymore, it’s also about ruthlessness. Ares loves blood, well ody isn’t going to miss a single drop
People always assume that the time dive would be in We’d Be Fine. And Maybe the beginning of It is! But it’s still very clearly Part of Love In Paradise due to the fact that in the end of the clip we hear a ticking clock and a similar “swoosh” sound effect to what we heard in the time dive clip where Athena is passing through the memories!
OH MY GOD MICO MIGHT BE TELEMACHUS????? MY WORLDS ARE COLLIDING WTF IM SO EXCITED IF HE IS... im sure whoever telemachus ends up being ill be happy either way
Actually I think the time dive maaaybe happens at the end of Love in Paradise because Oddyseus was 7 years trapped on Calypso’ Island and ig Athena was looking for him to ask the gods permission to release him in God Games
Like ahaha if it is at the beginning that would mean that Athena find him and just let him there for 7 years, my theory is that Love in Paradise will have some kind of 7 years time skip during the song and at the end we have the Time Dive that lead us to God Games
What If Athena uses the time dive in the beginning of the song to Look where Ody is right now (because Legendary, the 1. Song, is 7 years later) and the song is Just a memory of ody. In the end you can hear the time dive again
All songs from this saga are going to be amazing literally I can't even choose for which one i'm waiting the most, I've been having Legendary and Little Wolf clips on the loop since I got into epic, AND PLEASE GOD GAMES. I love Hera's part the most and this song is going to be amazing
Not as excited for this saga as the others coming, but we get Telemachus, Antinious, Calypso, and all the God Games gods for the first time so that is hype as hell
is it just me or does "I'm not your man" sound a lot like "I'm just a man"? I wouldn't be surprised if that's intentional ALSO is the zeus part of the first god games snippet just jorge making his voice sound deep? 😭
What If Athena uses the time dive in the beginning of the song to Look where Ody is right now (because Legendary, the 1. Song, is 7 years later) and the song is Just a memory of ody. In the end you can hear the time dive again
2:20 I’m really stupid I just realized this part is similar to to the part in different beast where it says “we’ve been away from home for about 12 months years or so”
@@tiredguy601 I did not, I’m just learning that he took down his audition. I made the edit with his vocals about a month ago when his audition was publicly available, but I really should have asked permission. At the time, I believed it was okay since many other content creators are using the original auditions from the cast’s TikToks into their EPIC compilation videos. As far as I’m aware, I have not been reached out to take down any of the videos with his vocals, but if it does become any more of a problem, then I’ll delete both of these videos swiftly and re-upload a version using Jay’s vocals instead.
So wouldn't Love in Paradise be before We'd be Fine? I assume in We'd be Fine he's referring to Calypso? Cuz Calypso talks to Hermes and that would be the friend right?
no lol, We'd be Fine is Telemachus's song, the "friend" is infact, Odysseus In this certain song, Telemachus is speaking to none other than Athena, upon which she talks about her platonic break up with Odysseus and mentions it to Telemachus whilst not actually mentioning his name directly also for your information, Calypso and Hermes are enemies lol.
I'm not sure that the time dive is in the wisdom saga, I'm pretty sure it's in 600 strike because we can hear the beginning of it in the snippets we have of it
It’s confirmed to be in the Wisdom Saga. Jay says the purpose of the Time Dive is for Athena to dig through Odysseus’ memories to find where he currently is, which is on Calypso’s island, which is why she goes to the gods and asks them to free him.
I think you're getting it mixed up because what we can hear at the beginning of 600 Strike is the Aeolus motif, which we can hear in the Time Dive probably in reference to Keep Your Friends Close
4:02 , is this part cut from the saga? It's just sounds so elegant and the call backs to the previous sagas If it's cut I'm gonna be really sad, I also can't find this part in other wisdom saga vids, pls help😢
@@girijaamusic exactly, Telemachus has a young man's voice (as does Mico). Given that Jay has commented on adding raspiness in order to do his Ody voice, I'd imagine he'd have Telemachus' VA keep the tone pure. Also, Mico's slight slips into a whine/cry on some notes (likely intentional) seem to fit Telemachus' character for some reason
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would you rather have unlimited EPIC but no bacon or unlimited EPIC but no EPIC?
A Jschlatt fan I see!
A person of taste in both musicals and RUclipsrs it seems
I already don’t usually eat bacon, so easy choice.
Jokes on you, I am muslim unlimited epic please
@@omarsalem1219 I’m Muslim too!
Athena: He's never cheated on his wife.
Hera: _FINALLY SOMEONE I CAN GET BEHIND._
We love Hera for that one
Which is hilarious because in the original mythology he stayed with Callipso as a lover for years, and the same for Circe. In some later traditions he even marries Circe later on (weirdly other traditions make Telemachus marry Circe), and fathers several children including the founder of Rome, Romos.
@@MrJoeyWheelerTo be fair, those were both situations where Odysseus was coerced or forced in some manner.
@@MrJoeyWheeleryeah that’s not really cheating, calypso trapped him on her island and forced him to be with her, and circe heavily coerced him
@@MrJoeyWheelerI'm pretty sure in the original Odyssey by Homer he's actually pretty much raped for seven yesrs by Calypso. If I recall it is described that Odysseus cried every day at the beach to return home.
Telemachus dissing his father is so funny. Athena just sitting there like hmm thats uh thats your dad..
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[ODYSSEUS]
She's my wife
[CALYPSO]
Anyways, I've got all you could want here
Yep, that's the Greek gods alright.
God games is going to be a cultural reset and I cant wait for it
I am excited for Apollo. I am really excited and nervous because I know in mythology and as a whole, his whole thing is being very artistic and his voice is supposed to be like really good so I’m hoping the voice actor will do a great job as a Apollo
I wonder if they reworked Apollos part with Helios
@@D9gamer1234 By that logic Poseidon should be there. I think it is still Apollo. Helios does exist canonically in the Epic but he is not the part God Games
@@D9gamer1234 not gonna happen, Helios isn't an Olympian god
Frr
TELEMACHUS VOICE HOLY MOLY 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
IK IT'S SO GOOD
and I call this root “holy moly”
@@solagovideos THATS THE REFERENCE😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@Eowyn_Lady_of_Rohan IKK
my exact reaction, it sounds so good plus it sounds like a younger ver of his father - basically how his actual son would sound like
This saga is going to be stacked man, I've been dying for Legendary, Little Wolf, and God Games since I first heard clips for them
Honestly same
I cnat what for Wed be fine too! It seems like such a sweet song and I cant wait to hear more Athena!
Right?!
Me too! Love in paradise was the first snippet I heard so I'm particularly excited for that one.
I’ve wanted them all 😭😭 I can’t wait for the end of the month
Little wolf has a callback to Ruthlessness, in the mentioned song, Poseidon states "Guess the pack of wolves is swimming with the shark now"
which implies Ody is the Alpha wolf, in his son is referred as "little wolf"
_Ody is the Alpha wolf…_ 🐺🐺🐺
brilliant
@@Vibe_and_Vent_with_me does this make him an alpha male?
@@vismaykedilaya1318 most definitely.
Someone get Odysseus a podcast setup!! 📢📢📢
@@vismaykedilaya1318 That's the funny thing. The original wolf study where we got alpha and beta terminolgy from was done on captive wolves.
But it was inaccurate because captive wolves don't act the same as wolves in the wild. They can't hunt for food, the live in much smaller spaces, can't choose to move to another area, etc. In the wild, the alpha male and female are LITERALLY dad and mom and the other wolves in the pack are their offspring (thats why only the alphas breed, because the other wolves are all siblings). And in the wild, the alphas look after the other wolves, making sure they have enough food, safety and care.
So the most accurate definition for an alpha wolf is a loving parent.
God games is gonna be such a vibe
FR
WAIT GOD GAMES IS THIS ONE
@@Brits_W0rld NO I DONT THINK SO, GOD GAMES IS ITS OWN SAGA IM PRETTY SURE
@@Cottageforgottenno it’s the final song of this saga
@@Wisegame15 OHH GOD GAMES WAS SO LONG I DIDNT THINK IT WOULD BE JUST A SINGULAR SLNG
At the end of the love in paradise clip there’s a little clock sound that makes me think the time dive happens there and Athena is looking at what Odysseus is doing at the moment
I thought so too, but there has been confirmation that Love in Paradise will begin with the Time Dive. 😊
@@solagovideos ooh, i was about to coment that as a theory in the fist version of this saga edit compilation.
If the wisdom saga happen so far in the future with telemachus, then i didn't make sense to have "love in Paradise" as the fourth song, going back in time to (most likely) after Zeus killed ody's crew, so i tought it was better that Athena was watching "love in Paradise" as a memory of the past yo whe odiseus first arrive to the island, explaining the ticking sound in the background the whole song
@@falperio05and the ticking at the end probably indicates the end of the time jump, i feel. I LOVE THIS MUSICAL WHY IS MR JALAPEÑO SO SMART
@@jinx7641 yeaaaah exactly, this musical is so cool
The time dive is unironically one of the coolest ideas in the entirety of music and I love Jorge for that. It speaks so clearly about, firstly, he care he puts into the music AND story, making sure there isn’t a confusing part where Athena just suddenly somehow “knows” how he got there, and secondly that he is very creative and loves the same things his audience loves: Anime and Video Games. I have not heard of a more anime term than Time Dive in all of musical history. I love that I can completely visualize Athena’s descent just by the words “Time Dive” and the music it plays, with all of the crazy events and memories that come back with just a second of music. Amazing
In 6:20 you can hear Zeus' motif from Thunder Bringer! That motif can also be heard in his part in God Games
I'm just now realizing how much it sounds like the megalovania melody
I’m loving how this saga is sounding, but damn if it’s not such a jarring switch between legendary and little wolf 😅
My guess is that near the end of Legendary, Telemachus is gonna do smth that upsets the Suitors, causing some dark outro to the song which eases into Little Wolf better.
@@MysteryMusic512 that would make a lot of sense
is it just me, or does the time dive part in 4:00 sound like athena going through odysseus' memories of meeting Aeolus ( keep your friends close ), punished by Poseidon ( Ruthlessness ), helped by Circe ( There are other ways ), and hearing his future from Tiresias ( No longer you )??
im excited to see the visual representation of it in the livestream!
Cause she is going through odysseus’ memories, Jay said it by himself 🎉
The circe one is done for but other than that spot on!!!
wait can someone please explain what the time dive is ? i’m kinda new and hadn’t heard anything about it yet (SO EXCITED FOR WISDOM SAGA THO)
@@yourmotherspetunicornThe time dive is when Athena goes through Odysseus's memories trying to find him since he's gone missing after falling in the water in Thunderbringer. In doing so you can hear parts of previous songs.
@@panicatthehooey9383 ohh okay thank you thank you 🙏🙏 i thought it was some like timeline shift or smth lol
've been waiting for God Games since forEVER.
We get god games, and also time dive, AND TELEMACHUS, I CANT WAIT
1:21 How did I just realize Legendary calls back to the Full Speed Ahead motif. The music nerd in me lost its ever loving mind. Jorge! When I find you, Jorge! 😂
3:54 😢 Telemachus does the same vocal run Odysseus did in Warrior of the mind
7:14 Call back to “Please don’t make me do this!”
i can't find miguel's audition for telemachus, but i'm excited if he is actually telemachus!!
He is, I think he actually deleted his audition 😭
@@solagovideosbro really wanted to keep us guessing
I found Miguel Velosco credited on *Keep your friends close,* so if IT IS him- OMG he's voice is everything i could ask for And. More!💙 Also- Thanks for adding the "Time dive", tho honestly i thought it would be in *We'd be fine.* "Anyways-" can't wait for this saga!🦉
The audio clip is his audition clip from early 2023!
Where can I watch it? 🙈
@@fleischsalat318 he deleted it 😭
@solagovideos such a shame. thanks even more to you 😭❤️🩹
I think it might be him, he's credited in the Epic wiki page for Telemachus
3:52 Am I crazy or is that the same wavey vocal thing that Odysseus does in Warrior of the Mind? Specifically the bits where he sings the line Warriors of the mind? They even both do it on the word mind!
You’d be right! 😊
It’s to show how similar Odysseus and his son are, despite the difference in Their connection to Athena
It’s to hint the person Telemachus is speaking to is Athena
3:44 is so freaking beautiful I’ve never heard Jay sing that high for that long before
My list for what im looking forward to:
1. God Games
2. We'd Be Fine
3. Love In Paradise
4. Legendary
5. Little Wolf
Mine would have to be…
1. Legendary
2. God Games
3. Love in Paradise
4. We’d Be Fine
5. Little Wolf
Here is my list:
1. Love In Paradise
2. Little Wolf
3. Legendary
4. God Games
5. We’d Be Fine
I am just exited for new characters especially Antinous
1-god games
2-legendary
3-love in paradise
4-little wolf
5-we’d be fine
For me
1. God games ❤❤❤❤
2. Love in paradise
3. Little wolf
4. Legendary
5. We'd be fine
For me, my list is:
1. God Games
2. Little Wolf
3. We'd Be Fine
4. Legendary
5. Love In Paradise
HOLY MOLY (No pun intended) TELEMACHUS' VOICE IS AMAZING!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INCLUDING MICO'S AUDITION 😭😭💕💕💕 I LOVE HIM AND HIS VOICE SO MUCH AND I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR HIMMM
Of course! I’m so surprised not many other people are including it!
@@solagovideosI guess they don’t know that he’s the VA for Telemachus.
when was this confirmed?
@@AlexTheAngel34432 he’s credited as Telemachus in Keep Your Friends Close, where you can hear him sing alongside Penelope:
“Keep your eyes open!”
@@solagovideos i checked Spotify didn't see the name
That “Hell no” cracked me up 😂
7:24 - 7:42
Re-listening to these snippets again after the Thunder Saga, I suddenly find Ares' frustration here way more understandable.
Like, he's completely right, he didn't fight Scylla, he went into it already knowing he'd sacrifice six men. Truthfully, you could argue the only time Odysseus handled "something up front" would be the sirens, but Ares isn't the type to see it that way, because they sneaked around instead of stabbing them outright. The only thing he said that was out of line was bringing up Telemachus.
Say what you want about what is moral and what is right, but Ares is entitled to feel that way, we all have our own opinions. And I don't think Athena's arguments to him and Aphrodite are wrong, but they are very simple. The "solutions" don't really address what either of them said, just kind of slaps a bandaid on them; Like, you want more macho warrior murder fun times? Well _this guy_ wants that too, if you let him free! His mother died waiting for him to get back from the war? Well she's dead now...but people who've experience heartbreak can heal!
Like, I guess so...."ahh, release him".
I don't know how I'll feel about the song in full when it releases, but generally I think its tone is off for what it's meant to be? Athena is supposed to argue with all of these gods to set Odysseus free, and it's made to feel like this big humongous task, but then why is it so easy? Athena presents one argument and the other gods immediately fold, it's a little weird.
i think it's cause they kinda don't gaf, unlike athena, zeus and maybe apollo? they have no personal stakes in this. aphrodite goes "eh" when zeus asks cause she doesn't seem to care that much (and it's not like her accusations are entirely rational either like how could odysseus know his mother would die of a broken heart from missing him? that's not his fault. very much god logic). ares is the god of war and is pissed precisely because odysseus isn't an honorable warrior who went head to head against scylla, but he's also a brute who would be pleased with the promise of more bloodshed.
@@lellenny Good points, I still think it was too easy tho.
I honestly would like if Ares brought back Eurylochus' point of view during his section because why not? Ares has always been "The Soldier's War" compared to Athena's "The General's War", so having to bring back "the voice of the crew/soldiers" against the general/captain would be interesting.
Ares is one war god. Odysseus is Athena’s warrior (who is a god of war- focused on strategy, protection and leadership). The thing about Greeks is that trickery is not seen as a bad trait in their heroes. So while not facing head on is bad for ares (who is the war god for bravery and battle), it does not make Odysseus a bad warrior.
This is just my own opinion but I think Athena’s argument actually does addresses what goes on by saying that if he’s freed, he will satisfy their whims because he is a completely different person now. From Aphrodite, who also is partly a war god or related to war, she says that ody will kill anyone to get back to the ones that he loves. He loves them so much he’s willing to forgo any moral high ground he had just to make it home. Go through any trial and tribulations for that goal
And ares is easy. He wants ody to be more upfront, well he will be. Straight out threaten death for being in his way. Make them suffer. It’s not all about trickery anymore, it’s also about ruthlessness. Ares loves blood, well ody isn’t going to miss a single drop
0:26 I swear I heard Odysseus in that "Dead" :O
He's perfect!!
People always assume that the time dive would be in We’d Be Fine. And Maybe the beginning of It is! But it’s still very clearly Part of Love In Paradise due to the fact that in the end of the clip we hear a ticking clock and a similar “swoosh” sound effect to what we heard in the time dive clip where Athena is passing through the memories!
My (likely going to be) favorite saga
Can’t wait for the amazingness of these songs
TELEMACHUSS AHHH IM SO EXCITED FOR THIS SAGA
I NEED WE’LL BE FINE RIGHT NOWWW
OH MY GOD MICO MIGHT BE TELEMACHUS????? MY WORLDS ARE COLLIDING WTF IM SO EXCITED IF HE IS... im sure whoever telemachus ends up being ill be happy either way
He's in keep your friends close and he's credited so it's official
@@Vine26 i did some digging after i posted the comment and saw!! yay
I'm so excited for this saga!
This is exactly what i needed😍 im so so so excited for the wisdon sagaa
AUGUST 30TH!!!!!!
I love epic thank you 🙏
Of course! 🤗
IM SCEARMING THIS IS MY FAVORITE SAGA
WHAT WHAT WHY DOES TELEMACHUS SOUND SO GOOD and older than Odysseus
I don’t know about older but it’s somebody called MICO if you are interested
@@gamersgamestorm8291yep, miguel veloso :)
Thanks so much ! So good❤
Actually I think the time dive maaaybe happens at the end of Love in Paradise because Oddyseus was 7 years trapped on Calypso’ Island and ig Athena was looking for him to ask the gods permission to release him in God Games
Like ahaha if it is at the beginning that would mean that Athena find him and just let him there for 7 years, my theory is that Love in Paradise will have some kind of 7 years time skip during the song and at the end we have the Time Dive that lead us to God Games
@paulweidlich2379 I think the time dive is supposed to be a transitional thing, plus an introduction for the listeners to Calypso's island.
I'd agree because in the end of the Love in Paradise Snippet, there's a clock ticking
Oh love in paradies ! I heard that before actually getting into epic, thats why it seemed familiar
The way I can visualize what "Time Dive" would look like on stage, in a game, a movie all at once is making me feral
What If Athena uses the time dive in the beginning of the song to Look where Ody is right now (because Legendary, the 1. Song, is 7 years later) and the song is Just a memory of ody. In the end you can hear the time dive again
I so can't wait for this to come out, the Legendary song is the one I've been waiting for the most except for Challenge
All songs from this saga are going to be amazing literally I can't even choose for which one i'm waiting the most, I've been having Legendary and Little Wolf clips on the loop since I got into epic, AND PLEASE GOD GAMES. I love Hera's part the most and this song is going to be amazing
I loved your voice for Telemachus! Also the way you sang "Give me sirens and a cyclops," was very pleasing and I don't know why.
This isn’t me singing, this is the actor for Telemachus singing Legendary! If I were to actually sing it would sound 100 times worse. 😅
@@solagovideos **Press X to Doubt**
I hope he's the actor tho. He's very good
@@solagovideos how are we sure it's him??
@fothorso he's credited as Telemachus in Keep Your Friends Close, apparently!
@@fothorso We're technically not but I think that he's been like alluded to or smth. I'm somewhat new to the fandom so I'm unsure
I CANT WAIT FOR THE ANIMATICS ON THESE WHEN THEYRE OUT
LITTLE WOLF IS GONNA BE IN MY TOP OF MY SPOTIFY
VERY COOL !!
Not as excited for this saga as the others coming, but we get Telemachus, Antinious, Calypso, and all the God Games gods for the first time so that is hype as hell
is it just me or does "I'm not your man" sound a lot like "I'm just a man"? I wouldn't be surprised if that's intentional
ALSO is the zeus part of the first god games snippet just jorge making his voice sound deep? 😭
yh it's a recurring motif so it's definitely intentional
@@Vine26 makes sense
Yeah its definitely intentional
The part in god games is just Jorge making his voice deeper I believe! It doesn’t quite sound like Luke
@@alligaytor4253 that's so funny omg
Love in paradise is so underrated
Am I the only who got reminded of "You drool in your sleep" at "Did you know you talk in your sleep"
Betting this releases Labor Day (02.09.2024)
I hope so
Not the way I expected to be wrong LMAO
04:10 isn't "Love In Paradise", it's Athena's time jump, when Athena jumps into Odysseus's mind.
Yes, but the Time Dive is apart of that song.
What If Athena uses the time dive in the beginning of the song to Look where Ody is right now (because Legendary, the 1. Song, is 7 years later) and the song is Just a memory of ody. In the end you can hear the time dive again
IM SO EXCITED FOR LITTLE WOLF IT SOUNDS SOOOOOO GOOD
Omg you called it on MICO being Telemachus!
Aphrodites voiceee im so gayy
STOP REAL
I actually think there's a clip of the Telemachus actor singing this part ( 1:21 ) on his TikTok
2:20 I’m really stupid I just realized this part is similar to to the part in different beast where it says “we’ve been away from home for about 12 months years or so”
So excited for this AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WAIT! IS THAT THE OFFICIAL TELEMACHUS?!
I NEED CALYPSO RN
bro the beginning motifs in love in paradise????
1- aeolus??
2- poseidon ??
3 - circe?
4 - tiresias??
It's Athena's time jump in the memories of ody (if you didn't know)
MY GOODNESS IS THAT TELEMACHUS??
Welp, You were correct MICO is telemachus
OH MY GOD WHERE DID YOU FIND MIGUEL'S AUDITION
For Zeus' intro i swear it has bits of thunder bringer and Heras song for god games
Or at least the tune/melody
i apologise in advance for the person i'll become when this is released (in 10 days!! i am so excited!!)
In love in paradise, the end vut has a animatic jorge rivera showed us, but I cant remind it.
Someone please reply with the title name if you find it!
4:07-4:10 so good i like
where do u get the unreleased songs??
It’s mainly clips that Jorge posted on TikTok and here on RUclips!
Legendary and God games are my most anticipated songs on this saga but who knows Mayne IL just be as addicted to all of them like thunder saga
Wait, is the time dive in love in paradise for sure? I thought it would be in wed be fine or something later
It appears like it’s in love in paradise
How did you find Miguel’s audition tape? I can’t seem to find it, and I’ve been looking for it 😭
I think he deleted it. 😭
@@solagovideos aw that’s too bad. Thanks for finding this though!
…just a formality but you did ask him. . . Right?
@@tiredguy601 Miguel Veleso? No, I was just looking for his TikTok audition that he probably once posted.
@@tiredguy601 I did not, I’m just learning that he took down his audition. I made the edit with his vocals about a month ago when his audition was publicly available, but I really should have asked permission. At the time, I believed it was okay since many other content creators are using the original auditions from the cast’s TikToks into their EPIC compilation videos.
As far as I’m aware, I have not been reached out to take down any of the videos with his vocals, but if it does become any more of a problem, then I’ll delete both of these videos swiftly and re-upload a version using Jay’s vocals instead.
So wouldn't Love in Paradise be before We'd be Fine? I assume in We'd be Fine he's referring to Calypso? Cuz Calypso talks to Hermes and that would be the friend right?
no lol, We'd be Fine is Telemachus's song, the "friend" is infact, Odysseus
In this certain song, Telemachus is speaking to none other than Athena, upon which she talks about her platonic break up with Odysseus and mentions it to Telemachus whilst not actually mentioning his name directly
also for your information, Calypso and Hermes are enemies lol.
RELEASE DATE 30 AUGUST????? 😮😮😮❤❤❤
Do you guys know if Dangerous was a dropped song, or if it’ll be in a later album?
It'll be in the vengeance saga(the one after this one)
Later saga
god games let’s go
Question, where did you get the time dive clips?
👍😂
Do they have official date release for this?:''
Only a tentative “within the next few months”.
It’s August 30th. He just announced today :D
I'm not sure that the time dive is in the wisdom saga, I'm pretty sure it's in 600 strike because we can hear the beginning of it in the snippets we have of it
It’s confirmed to be in the Wisdom Saga. Jay says the purpose of the Time Dive is for Athena to dig through Odysseus’ memories to find where he currently is, which is on Calypso’s island, which is why she goes to the gods and asks them to free him.
I think you're getting it mixed up because what we can hear at the beginning of 600 Strike is the Aeolus motif, which we can hear in the Time Dive probably in reference to Keep Your Friends Close
Is I’m not sorry for loving you in the saga or the next
next!
Next
Omgg where did you find the telemachus audition???
Isn’t we’ll be fine fragment missing between little wolf and love in paradise?
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My first thought whenever hearing "little wolf" is something so 18+ ... and I hate it..... why am I like this? Idk I'm just crazy at this point
There is a reference to …something in hold them down
Cus the suitors suck
@@DinoandGalaxy I know but still my mind will go in to 18+ area and I don't like it
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does anyone know what 'We'd Be Fine' is about?
Telemachus is talking to a disguised Athena, the latter of whom is debating helping a “friend” (Odysseus, but Telemachus doesn’t know that)
4:02 , is this part cut from the saga?
It's just sounds so elegant and the call backs to the previous sagas
If it's cut I'm gonna be really sad, I also can't find this part in other wisdom saga vids, pls help😢
It is the “Time Dive”. It was recently revealed in one of Jorge’s TikToks, and it isn’t cut.
it out?
No all we know is next few months
AuGUST 30TH
On August 30th
Does anyone know when this saga comes out?
My guess somewhere this year somewhere during the fall either September or October.
Within the next few months 😊 WE ALL WANT IT KNOW I KNOW 😭😭🙏🏻
@@ChaosQueen1575 September is most likely. Don't you remember what happened with Thunder Saga?
@@alexeysimushov4971 I’m thinking on Halloween but it’s probably in September
@@ChaosQueen1575 it's August 30. The last video on Jorge's channel is trailer to Wisdom Saga
I hope Jorge will also release all Telemachus' songs sang by him, I don't think the voice in the first clip suits the character as much
The first one is still a draft I think? Just an audition video
Yeah it’s an audition clip. It’ll most likely sound different, but same singer.
It's just an audition. So if Miguel does play Tele, I think Jorge will probably have him sound younger.
@@bellama420no need bcz Telemachus is already 21 in the epic obviously he sounds like a man
@@girijaamusic exactly, Telemachus has a young man's voice (as does Mico). Given that Jay has commented on adding raspiness in order to do his Ody voice, I'd imagine he'd have Telemachus' VA keep the tone pure. Also, Mico's slight slips into a whine/cry on some notes (likely intentional) seem to fit Telemachus' character for some reason