Both the Bangkok Pyro and other blackpowder experts ball mill assembled ingredients. For 3 to 12 hours depending on how course. That is dry and outside. Everyone puts it under a cover and plugs it in remotely to start. That fireworks guy does 10 kilo at a time. And some of his shells weigh 100 pounds. He runs 2 ball mills all day every day.
To each their own, of course. My ballmill is very efficient, and if I run a BP mix in it for more than 2 hours, no matter how dry the starting ingredients, the mix will start to clump in the mill. That's how I know the mix is as fine as it'll get.
@@nedgorski I'm trying to watch all of your classes. Great job. Thanks for making my shots better. But they are not listed on your channel. Can you I help? I found 1 and 6???
@@nedgorski500 mesh is pretty reasonable in flash powder at least. That's 2mil particles or 50ish microns. I see the metals sold all the way down to 3 micron. If my calculations are right that would be 0.11mil with a mesh count of 8466. Although that's not accounting for wire thickness.
KClO3 is just too iffy to use in a mixture. Although I don't think it would be too bad to mill alone. I would highly recommend staying with KClO4. The perchlorates are much safer and just as effective if not more.
is there a way to make kclo4 in state of likely airfloat cause i mill my homemade kclo4 and it just result on clumping on my storage and not result on like on talcom fine kclo4
Poltassium perchlorate does like to re-clump back together after it has been milled or screened. It always has to be at least screened back to a fine state before use. That's just the way it is.
Hi there Ned ist this a good one for kno3 to charcoal n stuff Mixer ? NINJA Smoothie-Maker QB3001EUS, 700 W, I bought a cheap one From the Bay n IT died after charcoal :/ Im learning so much From ya thanks alot N greetings From far away
I'll pulverize a small amount of an individual chemical such as KNO3, Olaf, but I NEVER mix any combination of chemicals in such a blender. That's really asking for trouble.
It works so why not :D There is no way that blackpowder is ignited as there's no metal in there and the mill won't reach 400 degrees! ;-) I use a 750Watt Phillips Blademill
It’s more dangerous to combine all the ingredients together. Taking the product out of the mill after it’s done and transferring it to it’s storage container is the most dangerous part. Technically the mill can build up a static electricity charge and ignite, either upon arcing out to the ground through the mill or when you walk over and touch it, like a door knob in the winter on carpet. It’s best to do the oxidizer separate for that reason, then combine the oxidizer and fuel afterwards. Either way, safe ESD practices state that you should wear low ESD clothing and be certain to ground yourself out to a grounding plate before touching the mill directly. Some people opt to put the mill on top of a grounded steel or copper plate and ground the chassis of the mill to the plate. Then just make certain to place your hand onto the grounding plate upon walking up before touching the mill. With a small blade mill like this that you hold in your hands I would avoid it at all costs. If you ever find yourself thinking how inconvenient it is to mill multiple times because the chemicals are separate, just image trying to do it without hands or eyes. Then the inconvenience becomes much more acceptable. :-)
PyroDoktorHD well, I certainly would never presume to tell anyone else how to run their operation, but I personally, would never do it in a hands on blade mill. It’s one thing to remotely plug and unplug a loaded ball mill of black powder, but with a blade mill “coffee grinder,” unless you defeat the safety switch, you have to hold it in your hand to operate it, and the minimal time saved, in my opinion, isn’t worth the risk. Black powder can be very sensitive to electrostatic discharge. If you’re trying to save time you can also purchase a double chamber ball mill and just run the oxidizer in one tub and the fuels in the other. Then you end up with all the ingredients ready at the same time. I handle flash powder, AnAl, primers, and other materials all the time. I get that there’s an accepted level of risk. It’s just to me, the cost benefit ratio isn’t worth it.
@@Combat_Pyro sure! And I do it without any problems with ball mill grade meal within 20 minutes :D And I am not recomending it to anyone because of safety xD
So I finally found a way to make this not this boring: speed ×1.5! Ned, please, this lessons don't have to be that slow! And also lower the volume of your heavy machines! Please! It hurts my ears!
I never found Ned too boring but I tried what you said and 1.5x does work good lol. And it is amusing even at 1.5x how some things he says sound normal and others sound fast.
Holding the blender at 45° angle reduces load on the motor and greatly improves milling efficiency.
I mill charchoal sometimes, its messy but i do it outside.
I saw you blending KNO3 and sulphur before. Is that still considered safe?
Although I have done it, I'd recommend just blade milling individual chemicals. That's safer.
@@nedgorski Thanks for the reply, Ned
Dude I just need to live on the east coast and make fireworks for a living
Both the Bangkok Pyro and other blackpowder experts ball mill assembled ingredients. For 3 to 12 hours depending on how course. That is dry and outside. Everyone puts it under a cover and plugs it in remotely to start. That fireworks guy does 10 kilo at a time. And some of his shells weigh 100 pounds. He runs 2 ball mills all day every day.
To each their own, of course. My ballmill is very efficient, and if I run a BP mix in it for more than 2 hours, no matter how dry the starting ingredients, the mix will start to clump in the mill. That's how I know the mix is as fine as it'll get.
@@nedgorski
I'm trying to watch all of your classes. Great job. Thanks for making my shots better. But they are not listed on your channel. Can you I help? I found 1 and 6???
The complete FW 101/201/301 courses are housed in Fireworking.com , with 401 under construction, Michael.
Can I mill potassium chlorate in a Ninja? The shock & friction warnings have detered me from tyring.
I think you can, Dave, as long as it's the single chemical in there, but I don't know for sure. I don't use chlorates.
@@nedgorski I'll stick to my 500 mesh screen for now then. Thanks for responding
@@crazydave1145 Enjoy, and stay safe, Dave. 500-mesh?? Man, that's fine. I've never heard of one that fine. Do you mean 50-mesh?
@@nedgorski500 mesh is pretty reasonable in flash powder at least. That's 2mil particles or 50ish microns. I see the metals sold all the way down to 3 micron. If my calculations are right that would be 0.11mil with a mesh count of 8466. Although that's not accounting for wire thickness.
KClO3 is just too iffy to use in a mixture. Although I don't think it would be too bad to mill alone. I would highly recommend staying with KClO4. The perchlorates are much safer and just as effective if not more.
is there a way to make kclo4 in state of likely airfloat cause i mill my homemade kclo4 and it just result on clumping on my storage and not result on like on talcom fine kclo4
Poltassium perchlorate does like to re-clump back together after it has been milled or screened. It always has to be at least screened back to a fine state before use. That's just the way it is.
Hi there Ned ist this a good one for kno3 to charcoal n stuff Mixer ?
NINJA Smoothie-Maker QB3001EUS, 700 W,
I bought a cheap one From the Bay n IT died after charcoal :/
Im learning so much From ya thanks alot
N greetings From far away
PS: i wont use IT for BP Just for blending stuff
For BP i use a Ball mill ...
I'll pulverize a small amount of an individual chemical such as KNO3, Olaf, but I NEVER mix any combination of chemicals in such a blender. That's really asking for trouble.
@@nedgorski thank you for advice *bows*
Alot of the videos i see people are milling black powder together all 3 chemicals together so that is not the way to do it???
It works so why not :D There is no way that blackpowder is ignited as there's no metal in there and the mill won't reach 400 degrees! ;-) I use a 750Watt Phillips Blademill
It’s more dangerous to combine all the ingredients together. Taking the product out of the mill after it’s done and transferring it to it’s storage container is the most dangerous part. Technically the mill can build up a static electricity charge and ignite, either upon arcing out to the ground through the mill or when you walk over and touch it, like a door knob in the winter on carpet. It’s best to do the oxidizer separate for that reason, then combine the oxidizer and fuel afterwards. Either way, safe ESD practices state that you should wear low ESD clothing and be certain to ground yourself out to a grounding plate before touching the mill directly. Some people opt to put the mill on top of a grounded steel or copper plate and ground the chassis of the mill to the plate. Then just make certain to place your hand onto the grounding plate upon walking up before touching the mill.
With a small blade mill like this that you hold in your hands I would avoid it at all costs. If you ever find yourself thinking how inconvenient it is to mill multiple times because the chemicals are separate, just image trying to do it without hands or eyes. Then the inconvenience becomes much more acceptable. :-)
@@Combat_Pyro It does'nt do anything if you mill blackpowder and than transfer it :-) I would'nt ever mill metall containing comps in there :D
PyroDoktorHD well, I certainly would never presume to tell anyone else how to run their operation, but I personally, would never do it in a hands on blade mill. It’s one thing to remotely plug and unplug a loaded ball mill of black powder, but with a blade mill “coffee grinder,” unless you defeat the safety switch, you have to hold it in your hand to operate it, and the minimal time saved, in my opinion, isn’t worth the risk. Black powder can be very sensitive to electrostatic discharge. If you’re trying to save time you can also purchase a double chamber ball mill and just run the oxidizer in one tub and the fuels in the other. Then you end up with all the ingredients ready at the same time.
I handle flash powder, AnAl, primers, and other materials all the time. I get that there’s an accepted level of risk. It’s just to me, the cost benefit ratio isn’t worth it.
@@Combat_Pyro sure! And I do it without any problems with ball mill grade meal within 20 minutes :D And I am not recomending it to anyone because of safety xD
I milled charcoal once in it messy do not reccomend
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So I finally found a way to make this not this boring: speed ×1.5!
Ned, please, this lessons don't have to be that slow!
And also lower the volume of your heavy machines! Please! It hurts my ears!
I never found Ned too boring but I tried what you said and 1.5x does work good lol. And it is amusing even at 1.5x how some things he says sound normal and others sound fast.