What ain't necessarily so about the M1 Garand
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You'll Never Believe What The Bloke Does With An M1 Garand!
Bloke on the Range blokesplains certain bits of received knowledge about the M1, and how they ain't necessarily so.
Also packed full of handy tips, like how not to get your thumb caught in the action. 
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Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch has a good viewpoint on the "ping"
"You just fired 8 rounds of .30-06, everyone around you is deaf."
This is true.
this guy
Lmao😁
b stan - grandfathers, like most old soldiers, have faded memories and an inordinate capacity for bullshitting the young uns ... the point of the video is that the 'ping' is bullshit - if the bad guys are close enough to detect a metallic ping in the heat and noise and confusion of battle, you might as well go home because you're up against some kind of superman with the hearing ability of a bat...
@@alexanderh.5814 Well, my grandfather used to say that after firing the Garand for five rounds, the Germans would charge his squad thinking they had five round capacity bolt actions just for them only to be cut down by the extra three rounds the Garands had in reserve.
Multiple things wrong with my grandfather's statement, however:
1.) My grandfather was only ever deployed after Operation Husky, and the Germans had been well aware of the Garand's capabilities long before even then as the rifle had been in production and use since the early fucking thirties and virtually every ground unit had a fuckload of Garands. The Germans were more than aware of them and had been developing their own prototype semiauto rifle before the war had even broken out, but Hitler put a pin in their production because it was easier and cheaper to produce a ton of k98's instead.
2.) There's no way the Germans could distinguish how many shots had been fired exactly from a squad of twelve guys with Garands that had been firing intermittently at them on a loud ass battlefield. It's pretty much impossible.
3.) Even if they could somehow pick out one guy firing just five rounds, for the Germans to charge the Americans at this point would be suicidal considering how that one guy is not alone. He's a part of a full squad that can cover him while he's reloading. It would be a profoundly fucking stupid thing to do. Even if that one guy _were_ alone, it's pretty easy and quick to reload a Garand in time to shoot down whichever mouthbreather decided to charge him.
4.) My grandfather had only ever fired an 03 springfield in basic and an M1 Carbine which he was issued in the Army Air Corps as a bomb loader and had only heard the rumor in question from "some guy" he'd met who'd also heard the rumor from "some guy" he'd met.
5.) My grandfather suffered from memory loss before he passed away.
6.) As much as I loved my grandfather, he was full of shit. And so is yours.
I read about a guy in the 60s that interviewed a lot of Germans, Italians, and Japanese. Most said they never even noticed the ping, and the few who did knew that just meant one guy was reloading.
Or you can ping a empty clip off your helmet and trick the other guy into exposing himself.
among the sound of machine guns, tanks and all the other crap going on your paying more attention to you vision and what's in front of you than the sounds...
Copper Hamster it’s the dumbest myth of the m1 and people and historians to this day talk about it as a fact. I heard a WW2 vet say that it’s completely untrue and whoever made up that story clearly has never been in combat
johnLA1961 that’s also a myth. They never did that
@@johnLA1961 yeah except you got everyone else shooting. nobody will be so stupid to stick their head up
I am a US Army vet, and I own an M1 Garand. Most of the stuff I read online about this weapon is posted by people who obviously have never even held one, much less stripped, reassembled or god forbid FIRED one. They have zero experience with the weapon. They are, generally speaking, a bunch of gasbags. Great video.
I would trust drinking dumpster juice then listen to most of the garbage these soup sandwiches spit out. Also I'm a army veteran as well. 31st bde and 69th. Iraq and Kuwait deployments. Thanks for your service.
I can’t imagine that in a fire fight with adrenaline pumping and trying not to die that the ping will be noticed by the other guy trying not to die. Thank you for your service
Rookie here from Britain! I have a question for you!
I'm not a veteran but could you enlightened is with a few answers?
1) how many men were In a US squad?
2.) What regiment or division were you in? (Airborne, Marines, rangers?).
3.) I heard the least ammo load you carried as minimum was 96 rounds? (12x8=96 rnds) Is this true?
4.) How heavy was the minimum overall you carried? (Bergen/Backpack)
Sorry for asking questions never met a US veteran before. Thank you for helping so many poeple god bless you.
@@andrewdodds3007 slot of things change based on the mission but for my unit we had 5-7 people per squad and 4 squads made our platoon. Next up is battery which can have 2 or more platoons. You can Google all this stuff as its public knowledge.
Truer words are rarely spoken, thank you for serving!
I asked my grandfather about the ping sound thing, and how it may have been a drawback to the M1. He didn't even answer, he just scoffed.
don't forget that GIs learned to carry empty clips to toss for the clang and the reload is very fast
It doesn’t make the ping sound, he pointed that out in the beginning. The only clanging you hear is the half loaded clip hitting crap on its way to the floor...
Cullen Seago it does, it’s just barely audible over the rapport to the point that it would offer no advantage to the enemy. It’s hard to hear on the range, let alone under the duress of combat.
You can't hear that thing at the ground when you have a 20k people around you
@@davidcarson7855 Considering the following communts under yours I think we can rest easy knowing its probably a rumor. Trust me, with all the firing of rifles and machine guns, artillery, tanks etc. You won't be focusing on one little ping that gets mixed into all the crap.
Furthermore firefights happen at what? 100 - 300 meters a lot of the time? Unless you're right next to them and even then they'd likely not hear you.
I got a very LindyBeige feel to this video haha
They actually know each other and made a few videos together on that same range. :D
I saw you in comments on Sorenova's video!
Clearly we share good cultural tastes. 😎
yes, its a cultural thing
@@davecrupel2817 Sorenova is a god amongst men.
Wait.... You can't do those things with an M1 Garand! 😀
British sarcasm is the apex of the English language. Love your videos.
uncletigger p
Unlawful Waffle sarcastic topping off.
Unlawful Waffle
As an American, I can agree.
Mate, sarcasm has been called the lowest form of wit; we prefer irony! I think we invented it along with the Magna Carta, the left-handed hammer, and spoons. Mustn’t forget spoons! 😈🇬🇧
But Everyone knows that lol
I heard about those "Ping Myths". In reality when you were with a fire team, squad, platoon or company. The enemy would never heard a ping. Even if they did they weren't sticking their heads out to see which soldier/marine was out of ammo.
Don't forget the tank platoon or TAC Air support backing up the assault.
I think you’re right but I’ve heard some people would keep an empty case in their pocket. Then when people are ducking in and out of foxholes. You could fire one round off and throw the empty clip on your barrel or on something hard in front of you with your left hand, but so you could get your hand back on the hand guard quickly. Then when someone popped back up you’d be pointing straight at them
Plus the other guys wouldnt be reloading ALL AT ONCE so they knew better
Ignoring the fact that the average engagement range in ww2 was 200-300m, so even if your enemy was usain bolt there's no way they could close in on and kill you before you've reloaded and filled them with holes.
Yea like there a Mg42 blasting near you but you can hear a ping
"You have...One round. You drop a prisoner, the rest will jump you."
Still, nobody wants to be the guy getting shot.
"I want all prisoners back at Battalion alive".
Dick Winters to Joseph Liebgott :)
Cmon krout boys
@@doughesson That's the point.
Yes. Finally. Someone who actually has shot an M1, instead of believing all the crap "experts" spew about this great rifle, brilliantly debunks the idiocy. I own three of them. I have owned and shot dozens of other rifles/MGs. The M1 is my favourite.
Only 3, you need a few more. ;-) You have to have 4 to have one from each US maker for the Gov't. Then you find out they get lonely and need mates. Then you find out they want big and baby brothers.
My dad was a US Marine in WW II and assured me it was his favorite rifle, though on discharge he and a buddy highgraded a Springfield '03 out of the corps.
D
Honestly ive never tried to top off a clip while in the magazine. But cool to see that it can be done. I love my Garand as well. I'd like to own a few more but other projects are are higher on the list so i'm happy enough with my one Garand.. for now.
I do not know much about firearms. The ping sound hurts my ears... I did not know that you could reload it so quick. But... It seems to me, that the solo murder run, is mostly a game and fiction thing? Unless you are a legendary sniper class who goes around in the the Finnish winter, murdering a bunch of people naturally. Hearing about the ping for the first time not long ago, I did find it strange that a ping would be a massive problem.
I love the amount of sass in this video
That my friend is sarcasm something Brits are good at.
“ You’ll never believe what this Englishmen did with an M1 “
INSTANT SUB !!! 🤣
M1 thumb, yeah you do it once like everybody does, and then you don't ADMIT to doing it again.
I didn't because I was taught how to properly load and unload my weapon and if you've ever seen that bolt close you know you don't ever want to experience it .......
Never has happened to me, never will. My M1 is a 1944 production rifle. "Everybody does it" is bullshit that clumsy gits use to cover their own embarrassment.
Never cut yourself with a knife, never hit yourself with a hammer, never pinched or burned yourself on a gun. Only way that happens is if you never pick one of them up or your wife does it for you.
David, it's adorable that you just posted a lot of things as if someone claimed all that applied to them. Try not to hurt yourself today.
@Walt Schmidt I agree. I fired the M1 plenty and never got a M1 thumb. You just have to stay awake.
1:50, even though the camera panning down was an accident (I assume your mount was a bit loose), it still makes this scene even funnier
I just assumed he was being clever. :)
Bloke, you are strange and demented....I admire that in a person.
+Bloke on the Range I get it.
Tha is because he is awake and aware, and you are delusional.
"the greatest implement of battle ever devised."
Patton.
@@funkyalfonso
Screw flag officers. They are credit-hogging politicians
That would be an entrenching tool.
He also said "Negros aren't capable of operating machinery", but then had to recant when all-Black tank corps performed brilliantly!
I have always wanted an M1 Garand and have researched owning and operating one till no tomorrow. I finally got one and went through almost everything you did in this video with dummy rounds. Watching this video after everything I went through proved that the M1 "myths" are just that. Idk where they started but as long as you operate it with knowledge of how it works, there are no problems. Watching your video after I got my M1 in hand from CMP proved to me, I already knew the basics of handling it. This is why I follow your channel, Forgotten Weapons and InRangetv. Straight up truth. I know this is an old video but your content is still informative, amazing and funny! Cheers from the USA!
The commercial ammo is a myth for it is partially correct for I though. Just don't use over 180g hunting rounds. Yet, it won't bend the op rod. It'll likely crack the stock before an oprod failure would happen
I imagine a lot of the myths like these start from Call of Duty players and gun hobbyists intermingling and talking to each other.
About hearing the stripper clip go:
people who are complayning about the sound when that happens has never done much shooting without ear protection.
Even if you only fire one shot, you dont really hear much for a few moments after. I can imagine that in the midst of battles, you dont hear anything the enemy does short of big explosions. You will NOT hear a "ping" from a stripper clip some distance off.
It's a spring clip, otherwise: Yup.
You fire 8 rds. with a M-1 and you're lucky to hear the ping your self. USMC over 50 yrs. ago.
Absolutely right Bob b.
Erik Granqvist En-Bloc clip
fixed that for ya.
It'd be a miracle if you can even hear the ping from those 8 rounds being fired and the worry you have from having said 8 rounds being fired at you.
John Garand was Canadian, so the correct pronunciation is "Garand-Eh".
Sorry.
Forbes Hutton 😄
He was actually Quebecois, so technically you'd pronounce it in French. I don't know how to actually do that in text though...
Being American is not so much about where you were born, but rather a state of mind.
Yeah but it's typical in America a second generation child hangs on to his/her parent's culture. It isn't until third or fourth generation where people just call themselves "American."
The fact that we still use the M1 Garand design today (The M-14 / M-14 EBR) is a testament to how well it was designed. Easily my favorite rifle of all time.
SwordBreaker925 yeah except the m14 was a failure. They literally took 30 years to develop something worse when they could have just put a detachable magazine on an M1. I mean garand, not carbine or that weird thing in between the garand and the m14.
@@cullenseago1519 The M14 was by no means a failure. They had a BAR magazine fed Garand design called the T20E2 ready to go had we invaded Japan, but that never happened so it never passed prototype phase. After the Korean War the US military adopted the much lighter 7.62x51 NATO, so instead of modifying a bunch of older, heavier Garands, they developed the M14 for 7.62 NATO. The M14 is still used today as the Mk14 EBR in a DMR role.
NWA744 the m14 is a massive failure, it’s action was somehow worse than the garlands, the accuracy was terrible, the weapon system was the least desired of the entire services and had a super short life span as an actual service weapon. The magazine fed garand had several prototypes and most would have been better than an m14. Not to mention the terrible reload, it’s easily one of the worst weapons to reload and it’s quite a bit heavy for a battle rifle. Modern m14s and the EKBR are as close to original m14 as they are to garands. Modern m14s actually have better manufacturing systems and are way better made, secondly the EKBR might as well be considered an entirely different gun considering the only thing it shares is caliber and name. The EKBR has a free floated barrel, a lighter composite stock and hand guard, an entirely improved barrel and sight system, even the action has been improved and modified. I used a modern modified m14 that the marine corps uses for their designated marksmen and I have gotten to handle and shoot and original (with full auto selector) m14 and it’s a huge difference. We might as well call modern variants m14 styled.
@@cullenseago1519 The M14's short service span isn't because it was supposedly so terrible, but due to a change in infantry doctrine. The M16 was already well on its way before the M14 even saw combat for the first time.
Also, Mk14 EBRs are built from existing M14 barreled actions and are not modern reproductions.
@@NWA744 The M16 was sabotaged by the army because real man shoot 30.-06 and not some pisky 5,56mm cartridge. The M14 was horribly outdated for the time it was introduced. The US also screwed NATO, when they insisted on the the introduction of the 7,62mm cartridge but didnt adopt the FN FAL, which is in almost every way a better battlerifle than the M14. Was the M1 a great rifle? Sure it was! The M14 definatly wasnt, the US failed to realize how doctrines had changed after WW2 and learned a bitter lesson in the early years of jungle warfare in Vietnam
The level of sass is just right.
Absolutely one of THE BEST real gun videos on RUclips it is almost embarrassing to have a Briton show we Americans what our much vaunted M1 Garands can really do.
I'm sure there are many Americans who know exactly what a Garand is capable of. It's almost more embarrassing that you thunk there aren't, or that we need a brit to tell us...
Yeah he's a real combat guy. Probably a SAS vet.
Just say brit m8
Ughh calling em briton...
But yea i completely agree
the lindybeige of guns eh
Bloke on the Range do you know him personally?
Bloke on the Range ah okay you look just like him yknow
It's not so much he looks like him, it's he presents a little like him. Maybe it's because of his accent, he too talks correctly and you tend to listen closer. It's also a joy to hear people talk the language how it's meant to be spoken. Accents make English sound like a local brass band playing Beethoven, Americans bastardising it sound like a school band and Australian is like a kid playing with a glockenspiel, it's how the BBC should sound. It could be the subtle sarcasm though, both he and Nick make you double think. Anyway seems like a nice bloke, just found him and I'll sub him, that's 4 subs who talk correctly, if I save them up I could have an entire evening of 1970's BBC2. I'll watch through cling film and glue an empty bean can to the side of my iPad, I might even have a fondoo.
I was starting to think the same, but I prefer this guy over him for now.
JonatasMonte they're not really comparable tho. one deals with swords, bows and the like while the other talks about guns. I like em both.
It still impresses me the thought out technology from the thirties on this rifle. It is like any weapon, if you know and understand its shortcomings you'll be just fine
Those of us who were issued the M1 as our "TO" weapon ( prior to 1960 ), used a standard protocol on the rifle range when firing for our annual qualification (USMC). Each "string" of fire consisted of 10 rd . The first 2 rd were loaded into the clip and fired followed by a full clip of 8 rd.
P.S. - I never got an "M1 Thumb" while I was on active duty - first one I ever got was as a member of a VFW ceremonial firing detail many years after I returned to civilian life !
I've never had M1 thumb.....
But I have had SKS thumb. >_
CK's channel. i do not know how u did that could you show me that party trick
Not a big deal, your more likely and more painfully going to be called a peasant.
I had a backpack plastic buckle thumb.
It goes "Bing!"
Nice callback to "Monty Python and the Meaning of Life."
I had a Breda 30-06 for seven months when i did National Service back in 1981-82. Still remeber the serial number, because it was so simple: BMR 554. We also used the MG3, but with 7.62x51 mm Nato. I'm surprised to hear that the Danish military used rifles for both types of ammunition.
Damn I've been watching Garand videos all day and I really need to buy one now
Brennan Bennett Did you buy one?
did you buy one?
Did you buy one?
here is a really nice vid about the Garand, its AMERICAN maker and how HE pronounced its name.
ruclips.net/video/9VsqDxHqdqM/видео.html
watch this and you will buy.
Did you buy one?
I can appreciate a gun-nutty brit. people give this rifle so much undeserving shit
Great video!
I cut my teeth on the Garand, and loved it. I was never particularly fond of the M-14, although I probably was more proficient with it since, as Battalion Range Officer, my AIs and I had access to large quantities of ammunition that we needed to get rid of at the close of each day.
I went to RVN with the M-16, but never experienced the horror stories you've no doubt heard. Since then I've owned, and fired, Mausers, MNs (Russian and Finnish), '03s, '03A1s, and '03A3s as well as anything else shootable I could get my hands on; but looking back over the nearly 60 years since I first fired the Garand, it's still my favorite combat rifle.
I'll bet there are folks who served in Iraq and Afghanistan who would have wished they had something that could reach out and touch the enemy like the "obsolete" old M-1.
We did 240 b and M2 and Now the M110 so yeah. The whole i wish thing is a running joke till you have to carry the extra weight and less ammo capacity .
William Bridgeman the M16 didn’t actually have all the rumored issues and problems.
Greetings, William Bridgeman; I went thru 'Basic' on an M-1 back in '63. Qualified 'Expert'. I was just a scrawny 18 yr old, but I never considered my M-1 as being "heavy"; I just accepted it for what it was. I liked mine a lot! Then it was Knox for Armor AIT, then Germany. When I got there, I was issued an M-14. 'Meh'... we never bonded at all. Then I got my tank (M-60A1) my 1911, and a few heavier weapons.
Now fast-fwd to today. I just received my second ever M-1 today, a 1944! Man, that thing sure does bring back some memories. I checked it over, racked the bolt back, scoped the bore, then closed it just the way I'd been trained to do! "M-1 thumb"? Nope, I never gave it a second thought! There are some things we never forget, and that's one of them! Next week we'll be at the range, and I'll see if I can still hit anything!
Prosit!
@@sportsterlad My dad was a driver of m48s. We was drafted a couple years before you. He hated shooting the m14 but loved the m3 submachine gun.
Thank you Bloke, that was very helpful. I have a .308 M1Garand also, and was thinking of selling it... but after seeing this, I'm going to keep it. You addressed and solved the commonly perceived "shortcomings" of the Garand... I have a fresh appreciation for it. Thank you very much.
"Keep Calm and Thumb On."
I love this guy he debunks this whole thing by reloading in 3 seconds.
This video wasn't "boring" at all. Quite informative. My M1 uses the .30-06, so I have no problem or confusion between required ammo. I concur about the "M1 Thumb", having had that happen to me in my early training days. It hurt like hell, and my thumbnail eventually came off completely after a period of having a purple and blue digit. Thanks for this video.
partriarch ouuuucchh. I play classical guitar, I can't be having my thumbnail coming clean off. That's a bit disconcerting.
After showing my dad (USMC 1954 to 1960) my Springfield M1 that I had been testing out on our land he asked smiling "How's your thumb?" I pulled my hand from my pocket to reveal my gauze covered thumb. He laughed. A lot. Then said "Well, your not a virgin anymore" Yes, Dad. Point taken.
While actuslly loading or messing with an empty action?
A certain korean war vet who works with my grandfather would remark about getting it in the cold of winter
Fingers crossed. Never got Garand thumb!
You got me in trouble. I ran across this today when I was getting ready to do some real work, but I ended up going to the ammo room, placing a dozen en blocs in bandoliers, and packing up the M1 for a trip to the range. Thanks a lot. :-) My Garand thanks you.
I like how enbloc and stripper clip ammo can be carried on ammo carrier harnesses and pouches more compactly (and to higher total ammo capacity) than ammo that is in bulkier magazines. Not an issue by any means when at the firing range, but would be a consideration for combat.
Not only does this video give very good and useful information, the "British" form of humor tops it all off. I love this guys persona.
As an owner of a beautiful 1938 Springfield M1 and former Marine (and son of a WW2 1st Mar Div Marine), I will say this....
A most excellent video. Well done.
Is it still in its gas trap configuration?
Quite dry humor well done.
I wonder how often the issue of IN COMBAT topping off a magazine came up ? (not much I bet) also, if the enemy is close enough to make a bayonet charge, might the US Rifleman also have his bayonet deployed ?
My Grandfather carried an M1 in Italy with the 36th division, he had the option to carry a Thompson or a M1 at one point, he chose the M1. Gamers (not shooters) will of course be shocked, but the utility of the M1 makes it a far better weapon for most uses in open combat.
Bidimus1 they might have had a bayonet attached but the U.S. also had a unique factor. They issued a backup pistol to all service members. It’s suggested and in some cases claimed that more often than not U.S. Service members would use a pistol in very close combat.
Cullen Seago handguns were issued to all Officers, members of crew served weapons teams, M
.P.s, vehicle commanders, vessel commanders... the Great # of weapons needed,+ extra training required, led to the development and adoption of the M-1 carbine and M-3 S.M.G. of course, every body wanted a pistol and would go to great lengths to acquire one. in combat, people quickly found they were better served by carrying 2 grenades, same weight, same space but much more effective.
I like the explanation of how you load less than 8 rounds. During my service in the Italian army we were supposed to load a clip with 7 rounds to avoid the chambering of the last round for safety reason. That was done when we were on guard duty before moving to the BM59
I like your humor and honesty! I’m picking my M1 Garand up on Monday. I have wanted one ever since a toy one came with my first G.I. Joe back in the 60’s, it has been a long time coming. I look forward to seeing more videos.
The perfect-est M1 Garand myth-debunking video ever made! ;-)
If you listen to this vet's account of the ping issue at 12 min 15 sec's you might change your mind ruclips.net/video/PTck52FZj9Q/видео.html
Just ran into you on RUclips. I think its really great that an everyday fella like yourself from across the pond points out sound ideas in an easy to understand way for most any one interested in the battle rifles you go through. Very Good Job ! Most any one at any level can come away after watching & have learned something. You presentation & info has something for all gun bugs.
An Englishman who actually appreciates the M1 which at the time was “The best battle implement the world has ever known”
I know I am late for this, good explanation of everything you can't do. My grandfather did carry one of these in WW2. He told me that some guys would throw an empty clip to get the enemy to react, not charge but to stick there heads out to return fire only to be picked off (possibly) by an empty gun. He also had a couple scars from M1 thumb.
Someone ears are going to be ringing pretty loud after being exposed to a rifle being fired. Not sure they would year that clip hitting the ground.
This is only 3 years late but whatever. But when your ears start ringing (for the average person) with a sound of 140 dB. A gunshot is between 140-160 dB. Let’s just take 145 dB as our gunshot. Now if you are 50 meters away from said gunshot, the dB level will be 111 dBs, under the point at which your ears will be ringing. You would probably be able to hear the “ping” from 50 meters away. (Depending on the person)
I’m not saying that is a serious drawback but it’s unlikely for your ears to be ringing in any serious regard beyond 50 meters.
@@MrCoolguy425 the only issue with your example is that in combat either you or your comrades are going to be shooting too.
MellowFellowOfYellow this is about the gun, not particularly tactics. Including multiple people you would have to include squad weapons and tactics.
Great video. Glad you also mentioned the badly placed safety. Overall the M1 Garrand is a very capable weapon. I used to be part of a civilian Rifle Team that shot 1000 meter completion with bare iron sights. The group we competed with used the Garrand mainly due to economics but we found these rifles to be really good at distance. When we shot 100 meter targets groups the size of a half dollar were quite common.
To lighten up on my comments of half a decade ago, it's exceedingly nice to see a Brit who appreciates U. S. WWII firearms. Good work, mate! You know a bloody lot!
The M1 is one of those holy grail rifles for me, but being that I live in Australia where semi-autos are illegal I'll never have one.
I put a few clips through one at a range in the USA on holiday and was just in love.
It's hands down the best rifle of the war, designed from the ground up to be a fighting rifle. The enbloc clip is amazing with respect to your troopers just being able to continuously lay down fire. With only minor instruction from the range staff I was able to very quickly learn how to reload it fast.
But for now I make do with my No.4MkI, which is another great fighting rifle that I love.
OUTSTANDING sir, I as an ignorant Murican am impressed and pleased with your handling and mythbusting of our national treasure.
Patton didn't call it the greatest implement of battle ever devised for no reason. You Brits made a damn fine bolt action from the Enfield...... I'd like to add either one to my collection next, but given the choice, I'd pick the M1. Excuse my 'Mercan spelling, I have had a few drinks.
Why cause yourself undue stress? Get one of each and you'll be happy!
I'm actually curious given the Lee Enfield No4 Mk1s ridiculously smooth bolt action and it's reputation for the speed you can fire a round hypothetically could you operate it at the speed of an M1 Garands fire rate?
@Christian Morgan I know it's a silly question to begin with but I just thought I would ask.
I heard the story about the Garand ping from my father. He used the M1 in the hedgerow country at Falaise. He loved the Garand.
Awesome video and great information. It's been several years since I owned an M1 and have no plans for getting another. Enjoy the way you present your material.
Thanks for the video and humor. I actually learned a lot.
Wow, even with the myths this was my favorite weapon from WW2. Now that I saw perfectly that these problems were not problems, I love it even more! What a machine!
Great video. I am new to your channel. I found you through Ian. I laughed at the video. I have been shooting an M1 for over 40 years and love it that you showed the so called gun experts how it is done.
This continues to be one of my favorite videos on RUclips.
For it's time the M1 Garand was an awesome battle rifle. I would argue it still is awesome but it's hard to beat the fact that now a rifleman will carry 10+ magazines that hold generally 20-30 rounds. Good demonstration about topping off.
+Dietzeeeee Unless your hulk himself, you wouldn't carry 10 fully loaded mags on top of your flak vest and chest rig which aren't light
you are correct sir. soldiers do carry around 20 to 30 round magazines. However they are carrying ammo that is ineffective against even mediocre cover and the ballistics coefficient is far inferior to that of the 30.06 or even the British 303. The 7.62 NATO isn't a bad round and is quite effective in combat and a lot of the effectiveness of any weapon in combat boils down to training. As a combat veteran I will point out that during the time the M1 was in use the kill ratio was 20,000 to 30,000 rounds fired per kill in battlefield conditions. The kill ratio for modern battle field rifles is 200,000 to 300,000 rounds fired per kill. These are military stats from the u.s. military. I don't know the stats for the uk but I would guess they are pretty close to the same considering the also use the 5.56mm cartridge. I personally carried an M14 chambered in .308 rather than the M4. This was by my choice. I can honestly say that the added weight was a very small price to pay for the effectiveness of the weapon in combat. I own an M1 garand and if I had to take it into battle today I would not be disappointed or in anyway outmatched. With the possible exception of capacity but that is only a possibility and not necessarily a fact.
+Ripvnwinkle well put. I have always wondered if they will eventually try to Switch to a round like 6.8 spc or if the 5.56 is here to stay for the next 30 plus years.
+Dietzeeeee
I have also wondered why we have stuck with this round, considering the fact that there are better options available. It seems as if since the development of the AR platform all innovation and progress on weapons development has ceased to exist. I have heard people say that the AK is a peasants weapon and is good for troops with inferior or no training. I think it's just the opposite. I think the AR platform is more suited to low training standards than the AK. The main selling point for the AR is the reduced recoil and ease of use. I liken fire an AR to that of a .22 cal. rifle that I used to hunt squirrels with when I was 11 years old. Almost anyone can put rounds down range with Re let I've accuracy and speed if they don't have to deal with recoil. However putting rounds down range with speed and accuracy dealing with the recoil of a 7.62 mm takes training and a level of endurance. In my opinion the AR platform was one of the worst things to happen to western gun design. But that's just my opinion.
+Dietzeeeee
I have also wondered why we have stuck with this round, considering the fact that there are better options available. It seems as if since the development of the AR platform all innovation and progress on weapons development has ceased to exist. I have heard people say that the AK is a peasants weapon and is good for troops with inferior or no training. I think it's just the opposite. I think the AR platform is more suited to low training standards than the AK. The main selling point for the AR is the reduced recoil and ease of use. I liken fire an AR to that of a .22 cal. rifle that I used to hunt squirrels with when I was 11 years old. Almost anyone can put rounds down range with Re let I've accuracy and speed if they don't have to deal with recoil. However putting rounds down range with speed and accuracy dealing with the recoil of a 7.62 mm takes training and a level of endurance. In my opinion the AR platform was one of the worst things to happen to western gun design. But that's just my opinion.
Leonard Cohen's "Everybody Knows" should be the theme of this episode
I was a private in the Danish Royal Life Guards in 1979 - 80. We used the M1 for guard duty at the various Royal palaces - and we always loaded our guns with 7 rounds, when preparing for change of guard.
It was part of the Guards ‘field manual’ that our guns where loaded - but not chambered.
You were issued a clip with 7 rounds. When loading, you just used your thumb to keep a pressure on the top round while gently releasing the bolt with the edge of your hand.
You then raised the M1 to shoulder height and pulled the bolt halfway back - allowing the sergeant on duty to check, that there was no round in the chamber.
All while wearing bearskin 😊
This is an excellent video. I enjoy both your humor and your sense.
"That means your baby is still alive!"
P.S. New favorite phrase: "mind-gargglingly awful."
"Nothing, dear: You're not qualified!"
Love those python boys. :)
Well done mate!! Splendid video. Cheers
Hell, if you are in a major firefight NO ONE will hear that tiny little ping.
Great video, thanks, love the humor.
It's also true that the whistles were removed from the British armies kettles as the sound let the enemy know that tea's up!
I've watched a few of your vids now and am growing increasingly jealous of your classic firearm collection
M1 thumbs usually happened when you closed the bolt on an empty magazine , since you had to depress the follower to close it.
+ed l Just ride the charging handle up
+ed l Just push the bolt release button on the side of the receiver.
+ed l And that usually happens when people are screwing around during/after cleaning the rifle. It's impossible to get "Garand thumb" when loading the weapon - your freaking ammo is in the way! I've seen a lot more pictures of index fingers smashed than thumbs, someone without the right tools shoving a patch into the chamber and depressing the follower - smack! Get the right tools, follow the recipe, no problems.
Brian Fulmer thank you! I feel that's a myth thats even being sold in this video a bit. Troops never used the back blades of their hands to keep the bolt back and you can't get your thumb into a magazine that's full of ammo.
*Brian Fulmer:* Um, the bolt certainly _can_ close when the rifle is loaded; it wouldn't be any good otherwise!
*MadMetalManiac74:* I can't attest to what troops did or did not do; I _can,_ however, look up the manuals, and the 1940 field manual and the CMP manual both say you should load the rifle the way Bloke did.
This is my first time seeing your videos and I really hope you're still around making them. I'll check after this is over because this is entertaining!
It was this video that convinced me to subscribe to your channel years ago. I enjoy the wealth of information.
Is this an April Fools Joke :D (I love the Garand, I just think its funny to see a British guy praise it so much)
here's the thing about the "clip ping myth" why do veterans in pacific, and European theatre always seem to say first hand experience tell you this? they seem to say that the enemy would suppress you once they heard the ping so infantry would flank your position. this works in skirmishes as well. The marines for example used spent clips to bang on their helmets to get the japanese to poke their heads out to only meet an untimely end. Yes the ping is a flaw, and it was exploited to an extant by both sides. This is from the vetrans accounts, but yes it has been blown out of proportion to what actually happened. NOBODY charges you with a bayonet like that. (bayonet charges were rare for ww2 obviously but still happened) I've honestly never heard that from anyone. Maybe the japanese would, but they would be cut down rather fast usually. other than that your right, you just didn't mention the truth behind it.
But how is it a flaw in a platoon. Even if you platoon gets split up, there should be at least 3 or 4 of you. Along with it's whole 3-5 second block clip reload, it should never be defenseless. Yes, suppression is a real issue, but you would hit it with any weapon, unless you had more rounds and could suppress them. Eventually you all need to reload, and for the time the M1 could put out more rounds a minute than most advanced rifles. Comes down to a flaw in command and coordination or using the wrong tool for the job. Either way, I'd say the ping is negligible in an American mindset.
T Swag i'm going off of what the vets say. In most cases the ping isn't an issue though yes. I'd say if it's just two people it could be an issue if the japanese are in very close proximity.
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the only scenario I can think of that would work for the ping-legends is urban style combat with small squads. Then you can sneak up on a single individual. Wait for the ping. Pop in and shoot one or two guys before promptly buggering off before the rest of the group realizes what happened. And yes. There are a lot of factors that need to coincide before this might be a viable alternative. And I'm not ruling out pure dumb luck on the axis side on some occasions.
You obviously have never been in combat
well its a myth
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As soon as you myth busted the can't top off thing. I thought I was well versed in all things firearms but I never thought that was possible. I love learning new things, thank you.
One the reasons I love the Enfield Mark 4 as the "ultimate battle rifle" is reloading with stripper clips. Excellent firepower. Also my love for the SKS for the same reason.
As an American M-1 shooter, good job.
M-1 Thumb!
I love how passively aggressive you are in this. This is the first video I saw of yours and rewatching it now is a beauty
My M1 was one of the first purchases I made when I finally had a job.
My Grandpa served in WW2 and sadly I never got a chance to talk to him about by the time I became interested in the history of WW2 (assuming he'd have even spoke about it) but I absolutely love my M1, It's from Korea and not WW2 based on the serial number but that's fine by me.
"In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised."- LGEN George S. Patton, Jr.
Screw flag officers. They are credit-hogging politicians in uniforms.
@@reidparker1848 good god here you are again.
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"General Kenobi".
From where do I know you, Mr White?Clearly it was nothing positive :/
@@reidparker1848 I'm just seeing you raging at any mention of 'Flag Officers' any chance you get.
The M1 is firearm perfection of its time. Everything was in realistic specs and was basically a soldier-proof rifle. Many of the problems research yields with rifles like the semi-autos the Germans and Russians were using is that they seem too ahead of their time (exception would be the STG44.)
Turd Furgeson little bit backwards the stg44 was way ahead of its time and the svt and gewehr series struggled with old school concepts like the 43 (despite sporterized versions shown in games) is almost as long as the carbine k98k!!!
i personally have shot the M1 multiple times and you actually taught me things i did not know about it. humorous and informative. Thanks for doing these videos
I like the M1 safety actually... it is really easy and fast. I also think that unless the gun is broken you can't get M1 thumb... when you push the clip all the way down... all the way.. you will hear it click... at that point the bolt can't go forward. when you let pressure off the bolt is then free to go forward but as you note.. mostly you still have to give it a nudge.
best garand video I've seen!
When I was in the army I fired the M1 Plenty. I actually qualified for the army rifle team with the awesome M1 Garand. I refused to re-enlist so they sent me back to my outfit.
The US military Actually called it the way everyone else did. Ga-rand,
The thumb caught in the breach was actually called the M1 Thumb. Not the Garand thumb, as some say. The only real time you were subject to getting caught was during inspection when you had to open the operating rod and lock it open so the inspecting officer could take the weapon away from you and look inside, He then threw the rifle back to you and you had to release the carriage quickly and let the operating rod fly forward without catching your' thumb. That was really the only time you had the problem of getting a M1 thumb. We never addressed the ping that I remember, 62 years ago! I'm now 84 years old. :O) I loved that rifle!!! I always said if you could "see" the target you could hit it with the M1, no bull shit.
Dear Bloke: Excellent video. I knew all these misconceptions about the Garand. Only people that have fired the rifle know that it is all crap. The Garand is a great rifle. Thank you.
Excellent video Bloke!
Oh god I miss my M14. And my SLR. And my AR and my... oh you get the picture.
Garand hard to dis-assemble.
You've obviously never stripped an M60.
the Garand is easier to field stripe and reassemble than the other rifles I used in the Marines.
The lindybeige of guns
I'd say that's an accurate description
No because lindybeige is wrong more than hes right.
10/10
Nice video. I like that you're showing off what people say about a firearm they dont understand.
Another detail about the M1 speed advantage. Ammunition to frontline U.S. rifle units was usually packed in "bandoleers", a cheap throwaway cotton loop with 6 pockets, each pocket holding en-bloc clip with 8 rounds preloaded. Guys sent back to the ammo truck would just throw a dozen or so bandoleers over their shoulders, run back to the line with their hands free to shoot if needed, and pass out a bandoleer or two to each of their squadmates. Guys getting the extra ammo could pull the en-blocs straight from the bandoleer and stuff them in their rifle if pressed; though usually it was preferred to transfer the clips to the rifleman's belt, as the bandoleers were pretty floppy and difficult to get ammo out of one handed. Once empty you just tossed the bandoleer, they were designed to be disposable. The bandoleers really sped up resupply over trying to haul around crates or cartons of stripper clips or loose rounds.
I bet the clip wouldn't ping on grass, sand, or dirt. Well it doesn't for me.
At times they will resonate enough to make a 'iiinnng' noise while in mid-air.
The ping comes from the magazine follower kicking the clip out of the rifle, not from hitting "a rock or something" outside of the rifle.
As George Patton said, The M1 is the greatest battle implement ever devised.
Fay Ryuujin
Here you go www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=the+greatest+battle+implement+ever+devised.%EF%BB%BF About 57,800 results Not TV
Then they lose in Vietnam.
"Unconquerable veterans" indeed lol
DaUsher
who loses in Vietnam?
That's because he never had an AK.
The Stg 44 was the greatest
That was a great video! Thanks, I just got an M1 Garand a couple of weeks ago and haven't shot it yet. I'll definitely be using your tips.
GREAT VID. You handle that thing pretty well. Amazing doing all of those things you can't do with an M1. I'll be watching more of your vids.
Didn't know Louis Theroux was into guns
5:45 How to risk Garand thumb.
I didn't find this episode boring, I thought it was really well done and hilarious. Had to rewatch it again 2.5 yrs later
It always seemed to me, as my two uncles who served with these in WWII, that with the noise of combat no one would hear the ping that is made so much of.
Unless you been in a war you can't hear a thing ,not even the Ping of the M1 grand
Not to mention being the enemy, I have returned fire many rounds without hearing protection. All I will hear is ringing. That little ping, with all the blokes around me firing and my ears ringing, will be a non-issue.
You made my morning. I enjoyed your commentary.
Just found your channel and got to say keep it up man! Awesome content really.