5 reasons why you should use Multitracks in your church, and 3 reasons why you shouldn't
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2020
- In today's Worship Leader Wednesday video, Brian and Fuller go through five compelling reasons to use multitracks, and a few reasons why you shouldn't.
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You nailed the 3 reasons not to use Multitracks. Especially #3.
I’ll give another “for” as well. If you’re a WL with an instrument, vocal cues stop you needing to rock your head back and forth, stand on one leg, wink at the drummer (thats wrong in any scenario) just so you know where to go in a song
I’m a young musician and I lead a youth band in my church. There’s not a lot of youth band content and I would love to see some on your channel. Btw you guys are amazing and do a great job!
I've just introduced tracks to my student band. They loved it, but they also learned how difficult it can be to play along with them. I created the multi-track myself with my home recording software, so this was an advantage in that I added only the instrumentation they need (i.e. I have bass, drums, piano, acoustic, electric, and plenty of vocalists). However, the students don't have a good synth that produces a good pad sound, so I added a couple of layers of pads. The drummer I have is getting better, but as a student he's still learning -- so I added in a couple of frame drums and synthesized drum loops to make his sound bigger than he's capable. Also, since our vocalists don't have an in-ear system, I added a couple of synths with arpeggiated chords to help them keep the tempo. Again, they loved it and it really helped them -- but like you said, it is easy to forget where you are and that's what happened in rehearsal several times, so we're going to try again in a couple of weeks.
We use multitracks at my church, and as "Worship Tutorials" said, there are pros and cons. I love the "guide voice" that lets me know what's coming next, the Chorus or verse 2, etc. We already played to a click prior to using tracks, so we were already used to keeping time. I think there is a learning curve on how much to use on each song. My preference is to keep it minimal, but use the extra stuff that would be hard unless you had 2-3 keyboard players or things like that. Good presentation @Worship Tutorials.
You guys nailed it again!!!! Weve used them for some time now and I teetered on the edge of how much and what. Our Worship arts pastor and I have talked many times about this ... He allows me to pick which guitar parts to mute and which to leave in or dial back. When I know that many songs have layers of stems for guitar and realize “I cant do it all” and then its an easy decision to leave in some to beef up the song and give it more presence and texture . Ableton now runs alot of our production and using tracks is a natural fit. Mind you... if you pick a part and mute the stem. YOU BETTER NAIL IT!!! 😂😂.
Great stuff as always guys
I’m not a big fan of stuff that’s not on the stage live being played through the speakers, I feel that we have enough musicians to cover a full sound (keys/synth, 2EG, 1AG, Bass, Drums/Perc). That being said there is no excuse ever to not at least play to a metronome. We also use the guides so we are all heading the same direction, then just let the click continue for the spontaneous stuff. Best of both worlds imho.
Our church is small and we have very few musicians. I record and build all my own multi tracks, and then we play acoustic guitar and piano and vocals live. It works great for us! Why have a small sounding worship experience when I have the ability to make it so much more impactful by using the skills God gave us?
We use multi tracks in our services. It changed my life. For real. I love it. I was apprehensive about it. But now I can’t see it any other way! Lol thanks guys!
Fret 2 Fret how do you run yours?
What do you mean? Our tracks our run off of a laptop that the drummer has set up in their “cage”. We all have our in ear monitors set up. We typically just have the synth and obscure background instruments in. We always cut the guitars and bass and drums and any vocals. I hope that answers your question!
Fret 2 Fret I’m sorry If my question wasn’t clear but you answered just fine. Thank you. Are your singers on in ears, if not do they stick to the sing arrangement or are they spontaneous? Thanks
Bishop Ike yeah we’re all on in ears. It’s a great system.
I was laughing so hard at 7:53. How many times have we done this bridge??? 😂😂😂
Multitracks and click tracks have been amazing! But with a lot of this, human error can and does happen. We were getting ready to play Do It Again, and the wrong click track started playing - about 1/3 slower (or more) than the song. We didn't notice until halfway through the first verse but by then...too late! 😅
Click tracks and section cues are great. I'm not a fan of backing tracks though. Just tends to change the whole thing from worship to Karaoke...
Pretty much sums up my thoughts, and probably said more diplomatically than I would have.
I think you may be missing the point of backing tracks. Not everyone has a full band and if for instance your bass player is out , trust me people notice when it’s NOT there. Remember it’s never for US..
No, it isn't for us, but I'm not entirely convinced that God is impressed by playing a recording of a bass either. I'm not saying I think using backing tracks is wrong. I do think it's unnecessary though, and has the _potential_ to become a distraction from the real point of worship. It's ok if we don't all sound exactly like Hillsong every week. Just my opinion though. If backing tracks work for you and your church, then go for it. 😊
@@lambdaXpression I don't think it's necessarily a matter of wanting to sound like Hillsong every week, some situations you need the tracks due to lack of people, or if you want to do a more poppy song with a lot of synth parts, or whatever. The church I play at barely uses tracks on sundays, but the youth band is much smaller, so they use tracks to cover all the keys parts
Great video, looking forward to part 2. Question: we have been using stems from both LoopCommunity and Multitracks in worship for a while. But a big change is coming as we are starting to Livestream in a few months and I have seen there may be issues with copyright depending if the stems are master tracks or not. Anyone had experience with this or have any problems using them over Livestream?
Dain Swanson my understanding is that they’re not permitted to be used over live stream. I believe the multitracks website goes into more detail about that
You could also listen to the worship leader as you are playing.
We do use a click, but I can also remember when a band practiced for hours a day and played by feeling and groove. I have played with some musicians with “perfect time” and no groove, As well, I have played with groovers whose time is not the greatest, use what is right for you. i have the click off in my ears unless i am starting a song.
I think Brian Wahl needs to be the cue voice on Multitracks.com!
Click tracks really do instantly make the band better. No joke. You may not like the first time you try it, but give it a few go's and see the instant difference it makes once it's not messing you up, it will actually make you better.
Our church uses click tracks and just a base pad of the root note of the song; so if a song is in the key of A it's just a very low and subtle "A" chord underneath everything, it's never at the forefront. It just adds a little flavor, like what they are talking about in the video.
I'm not a huge fan of the section cues, but not against them. They are right, they help especially with not being too repeat-y of bridges, etc. But just know that using them limits you, you cannot do any spontaneous worship with them. While you should know your church and know your congregation, and even if you never really do anything spontaneous like that, I still think we should be open to what the Holy Spirit is doing during a set. Our church rarely breaks out in spontaneity, but I also don't want to lock us in to something that doesn't allow the Spirit to move, if He so chooses.
On many songs we use the Multitracks, but on ALL songs we use the click track.
Hi guys, quick question. We are a very small church. All we want to do is play songs and have the lyrics scroll on the tv monitors. Everything is already set up for this, however, I need to know which multitrack product to purchase. Can you help?
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Another issue with using multi tracks is copyright issues. If your church streams the worship live on Facebook, the multi tracks sound so much like the original song that Facebook will warn you about copyright infringement. After a couple on repeat warnings, your Facebook account will be shut down.
I play electric guitar, the original key of the song is modified often. Yes you can hear the individual tracks for all electric guitars in the song (in the modified keys) but I don't see any tabs or notes for those. Am I missing something? Song chart has chords only.
So all, ALL the reasons you said NOT to use tracks is what we have at our church (but a few more musicians than organ and drums). That was funny! Like you were talking specifically about us.
If you use a click or multitrack how do you go back to the chorus, or hang on one chord or have any spontaneity?
At my church we have a lot of spontaneous thing because it feels right.
In our experience most of the spontaneous repetition of song sections happens at the end of a song, which is easy to do while using multitracks, but one of our points why you shouldn't use them was if you are a church that is very spontaneous.
Yes, let us be lead by a pre-planned program. I'm sure the Holy Spirit loves working within the confines of a multi-track.
The Holy Spirit can work in our planning just as much as in the moment during a service.
@@worshiptutorials yep, He can. But following Him instead of Him following you is the issue.
Is there a reason to need to "sound like the record" when the goal is simply to lead the congregation in worshipping The Lord? This is my biggest gripe with multitrack. I can get over using keyboard pad sounds in a multitrack, but when I hear prominent instrument parts that no one is playing I do feel like there is something off spiritually. I'd rather something be simplified if need be and keep it human.
Do you think anyone will notice, when we replace our singers with multitracks?😉😂
I'd like the click,music direction and nothing else.
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i am a pastor in a church plant in south texas, i don't have any musicians besides myself, (i play the guitar), you guys don't recommend that i use multitracks? i literally don't have a worship team but myself and my daughter who sings
I'll do what's asked of me, but as a musician playing along with six other tracks of the same instrument that I'm playing has no appeal
unless you are playing keys this shouldn't be the case. you usually don't need any more than a couple guitar or perc parts to fill up the sound.
We address this in the next video. Some people over use them to a fault, and it's not a good thing.
Burnhaven yes I’ve played keys with a bunch of synth tracks and just fell a prop on stage. The tracks lock you in to playing what some other person in another place played. It boring and I just wind up playing pads and looking around.
I can definitely see them where you're missing instruments that are truly needed. If, as mentioned, some of the big ( recording ) churches have numerous tracks per instrument, I assume that before release the best are selected and some dropped. I guess being a "selected" or "heard" instrument is too much to ask. :-) Like I said, I'd do what I was asked to do as long as I could do it with a positive attitude. But playing in an orchestra with numerous instruments of each type has never appealed. We don't even schedule two electric guitars per week and one of the main reasons is that you can barely hear one in our mix. ( what with volunteer sound techs, a vibrant singing congregation, acoustic drums that are a bit out of control etc etc ).
Is there a difference here between volunteers and paid musicians? I don't know. Perhaps volunteers should happily prepare parts and not lose interest when those can't be heard in a dense mix.
I can't think of any instrument that is so essential that it would be advantageous to track it.
The more you control worship the less God will be in it
Justin Atwood AMEN 🙏🏻.
Yeah we’re not talking about control, were just talking about being prepared and using resources wisely! God will always be in control. Man plans his course but God determines his steps.
Brian Michael Fuller I was referring to not just sticking to two versus two courses in a bridge. Sometimes you have to press in and go beyond that is what I’m saying. If you do that how can you with a track?
I will give a extra offerrig 😂 to play with a click and guide... Repeat ing something make the music bored.. I suggest it... But not many people like cus they leazy irresponsible and not committed to became better... I refuse to practice with metronome.. THE BEST TOOL EVER CREATED
I’ll give you another reason not to use them. It strikes me, particularly if you are a small church with limited resources. Paying 90 dollars a month for cloud hosting plus 30-60 dollars for a good quality Multitrack isn’t really being a good custodian of the resources you have. Im not anti MT, in fact our church uses them but I really think the cost is exhorbitant!
You should use Multitracks, to encourage the creators to continue worshiping Mammon, I say it sarcastically because, there's no good reason to sell a song for 30 bugs and more or a click track for 5 bugs, only a click, nothing else.
Disappointed to not hear anything about the theology or spiritual aspect to our worship and whether tracks are in line with any of this. Cains offering was not pleasing to God, Abel’s was accepted. Why?
Don't disagree with most of what you are saying. However, when you have the musicians and singers you can make statements as to why not to use multi-tracks. We come from a rural town of 1700 with six other churches in town. Thirteen in a ten-mile radius so you can see that available talent can be extremely limited. We use multi-tracks but mute any available instruments or background singers that we have on the team. We aren't looking to sound professional just well rounded and full. And I agree that God doesn't care if we have a bass player (we do) or a drummer (we don't) but anything that distracts the congregation isn't good. There are enough worldly distractions already.
Never!!!!
I've never had an experience where multi tracks was used correctly. Moreover, over time it creates lazy musicians because we don't need to work to create the sound, the tracks supplement everything. Also, what is most important is that you never have to strive to sound like the record. Why? Avoid becoming karaoke worship teams and instead create your own style and sound while constantly trying to develop musically. Let your team's learn to feed off each other and the worship leaders, not off a robotic click or guide track.
small annoyance but guy on the right looked at camera way too infrequently... great content tho...
Tracks make me lazy, whenever I play at my larger church campus where they use tracks and since modern Christian music is so easy to play, I find I don’t need to practice the songs and still sound great, pretty much no one can hear me anyway .
I’ve played classical and jazz piano for years and now just sit back and play basic 1-5-6-4 progression in 4 “different” songs along with a bunch of synth tracks. But at the smaller campuses we don’t use tracks and people get up. And clap and actually sing and play, you are more exposed. Plus we can’t afford the infrastructure to use multi tracks in the smaller congregations. Also I’m old and used to play in a Funk band.
Hate them!! We have started to use them - feel like it’s fraud. Click track is a must!!
And if your drummer goes off the click, there aint a pretty way to recover that one either
Im not really a fan. As I say in my MT video, it takes the spontaneity out of Worship.
Another reason not to. You are using floor monitors.
Tracks need to go away. (And that includes the overprocessed computerized original recordings too) Click and guides are fine for bands. But stop piping in computer crap in live performances.
Hard pass. If we wanted to do Christian karaoke, we would just play an mp3 and lip-sync to it. It would save on the expense of instruments. While we're at it, who needs a preacher? There are enough RUclips videos that we could use those instead.
Using multitracks does not equal karaoke - if you use the appropriately. That said, multitracks aren’t for every church, and it sounds like they’re not for your church. And that’s fine. But there’s no need for you to try to insult churches who do use them.
@@worshiptutorials You guys have an ongoing habit of judging those with different perspectives from you and falsely attributing bad motives to them. You might want to pray about that: "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." There was no insult intended. As my comment clearly said, I was talking about "we", i.e. my own church. If multitracks work for others, God bless them.
I apologize if I’ve put words in your mouth, but your initial comment seemed to be delivered with a lot of snark, and I understood it to insinuate that churches using multitracks are simply performing “Christian Karaoke”, and might as well just play a RUclips video of a message rather than an real life preacher.
Is that not what you said?
On the contrary, my comment communicated that we feel like there are all different kinds of churches, which is a good thing. And for some churches, multitracks are not a good idea.
Perhaps we should both agree to pray that God gives us grace... 🤷🏻♂️
グレゴリーミカン I think you may looking at this in an extreme fashion but to each his own! They’re certainly not for everyone
Talking too too much guys!!!... Let's get to the point... Thank you for sharing though... I only watched4 mins... Sorry. (not that affects you or you care about it, but...)