Only one family member opposes the release. Hundreds of other character witnesses describe Jose as the most evil man to exist, before even knowing what he did to his kids.
I'll never forget my mom telling me if these were sisters they never would have been arrested. That was back when they were first arrested before the trials. Crazy so much has come out since then too
That is definitely NOT true. Women do not typically BRUTALLY kill someone twice for alleged abuse that happened a long time ago when they were 11. When women do that type of brutality they get the SAME punishment as these brothers did. For example, Jodi Arias said her boyfriend was abusing her but similarly could not convince an entire jury of that and because she brutally killed her boyfriend she got life without parole. Nothing has “come out” to erase the brutality in these brothers’ crimes and nothing has “come out” to erase the 61 minute Oziel tape where the brothers state their reasons for killing the parents very coldly and those reasons have nothing to do with abuse.
TF are you talking about. Gypsy Rose did her entire sentence. She was incarcerated for 8 of her 10 year sentence and then got parole. This when there was clear public evidence that she was abused. She didn't get pardon or anything. Her bf who did the actual murder got life in prison without parole, and is not getting out of jail. So yeah exactly like Gypsy Rose, Menendez are also gonna serve their sentence, which is life without parole. Abuse is no excuse to murder. If one is abused, report it to authorities, fight it out. Only the self defense when life is in danger scenario murder might be excusable and even then its not easy unless you are cop.
In one interview, a female cousin said that when they were sentenced to life, she said something to Lyle and and Lyle said something like, “Diane. Don’t. I feel safer in prison than with mom and dad.” That’s very telling. Set them free already.
How?? By then, the parents were dead. Stop supporting these 2 who brutally unalived their parents for financial gain. They were both old enough to move out of the house/off their parents' property.
@@heygirl5565probably the word "with mom and dad" represented their guilt feeling after killing them, something they could not get out of their mind. Good people always feel guilty after killing their victims despite the fact that the victims had abused them. So being in prison helps to compensate their trauma.
Probably the word "with mom and dad" represented their guilt feeling after killing them, something they couldn't get out of their minds. Most good people feel guilty after killing their victims although the victims had abused them. So being in the prison helps to compensate the trauma.
Six weeks before she died Kitty told her Psychiatrist she was "Hiding sick and embarrassing secrets about her family". She knew what was going on. I'm no expert but I believe she suffered from a mental illness and didn't want to get help. Family members say she displayed odd behavior at times. One time she threatened to poison the family and she would also fly into rages and throw dishes. Family members also stated she would talk about how she wished her boys hadn't been born. I wont get into the abuse the boys say they suffered at her hands, but the women clearly had issues. She was not the innocent thing some people make her out to be. Both brothers say they saw Jose physically abuse Kitty. It's just a crying shame and so sad she sided with a husband that not only abused her and her children, but other children as well.
@@catherinerheault4771 no she definitely was abused just the same with jose menendez so sad but they didn't have to do the same to their own kids it's so heartbreaking 💔 😢
I mean TBF if the movie shows ANY truth (and we know some pieces are VERY truthful) that part where one of them was talking about how the mom would lay naked on the couch and then have them come lay next to her. Like... that's not JUST sick, that is mental illness and from what i have seen over the years it is because she probably experienced that and thought it was normal but it also may have been sexy to her in a sick way. Perverts do perverted things because it turns them on. It's sick. But, it's honest.
@@menudomdo2122disturbed people like her definitely were abused, and I’m sure Jose was abused in some way too, but that doesn’t justify what they did to their sons. Having kids doesn’t mature you. I really hope this case is a lesson to up coming parents. Get your shit together before you even ponder the thought of having children
Abuse is no excuse for murder. Gypsy Rose was clearly, publicly abused without any doubt, she still did her time, and the bf who killed the mother is in for life without parole.
I feel like prison shouldn't always be about punishment but rehabilitation and these two have not only learned their lesson and suffered the consequences but theyve served their time, immensely. Let them out.
@mzdkkeller they also should get out because this wasn't 1st degree. What they did was a result of emotional distress and abuse. They also didn't get a fair 2nd trial. They were wronged by the system and the prosecuters said that boys cant be raped. It's just time.
@thruthemotions the f**k???? They murdered two people, including their own mother, in cold blood...why nit just wound the father to bring their abuse to the forefront? Really disturbing comment👀👀
Right. Just keep the murders in jail. I’m sure we could use some of this energy trying to find out if someone in jail is guilty or not. But we know they did it so why?
@@BlackNewty They've spent their lives in jail, barely getting out at retirement age. What kind of life do you think they can make for themselves as felons? Did you even watch the most recent show about what their parents both did to them??? The parents were worse than the kids and made those boys who they became.
Why does "whole internet" behave like they know exactly what happened? Maybe they are monsters, maybe abused victims but none of us know the truth. I would forbid public appearance for lawyers, they are paid to do their job (which is perfectly fine) in courtroom but not here to convince the public in someone's innocence.
@@chunjoglavi right like we have no idea what really happened we don’t know what the cause was but if you use common sense you could hopefully understand that there had to be more to it than money because of how brutal the killings were
Hockman has already let his opinion be known publically BEFORE he has even talked to defence and the 25 family members less one in favour of release. That is exactly what he SAID HE WOULDNT DO to heaps of programs when elected. Whether Hockman actually has any say now or all the say is with the judge I'm not 100 percent sure. But it sure didnt take Hockman long to show his biased opionion and remove two deputies on the case and promote anti release Cade
I fear Hockman is just another brown-nosing scumbag trying to use a high profile case to his own political advantage. I wonder whose @rse he's currently trying to crawl into and how exactly he'll benefit from it.
As a mother of two children who were victims of SA I can say the brothers deserve a second chance. Trading one hell for another isn’t the answer. It’s just my opinion….
Hell No. You would not be saying that if your children brutally killed their abuser AND you. They had no legal justification for killing either parent, especially their mother. The brutality of their crime is not something to ignore just because you feel compelled to personalize it to yourself. NO abuse story is the same. There is not even solid evidence or corroboration they were abused.
@ I would be dead? How would you feel if the people who said they loved you, sexually assaulted you? Children suffer physically and emotionally when they are assaulted. Their whole world is turned inside out and they live with fear everyday of their lives. My sons predator threatened to kill his mom and sisters if he told and then strangled his cat in front of him. He still lives with fear and anger!
Most of the victims' family members want the killers to be released. That's unheard of. That means the dead ones were really horrible people if not even their own sisters' want their killers to stay in prison. I have never in my life heard of a case where the victims' family support/defend the killers /testified against the victims. I know because I watch a Lot of true crime AND seen many parricide cases so can compare. In most cases, the victims' family do want the killers to stay in prison for the totality of their sentence even if the killers are family as well.However, this is clearly not the case here and they also have the right to be heard and taken into account under California laws.
I hope they get released. What they did was wrong but they don't belong in prison forever and even their family thinks that. I saw the trial and what both parents did to them was horrific.
After watching 8+ hrs of court trial videos and reading the definitive book by Robert Rand on the case, the brothers definitely should’ve been charged with manslaughter and released by now, although not being given the death penalty could be considered a win for the defense and the brothers- considering the attitudes towards sexual abuse, particularly male sexual abuse at the time. The defense had examined 101 witnesses and the prosecution barely any. It is telling that the entire family except for one is advocating for the brothers’ release. I’m no expert, but this is my opinion considering the opinions of the experts. As for the prosecution, they sure did their job acting like emotionless, rigid robots ignoring that human nature is complex, nuanced and messy. The brothers have been model prisoners: helping those who have suffered, creating art etc. It is hypocritical to argue that they are being let out due to changing societal attitudes, when the backwards societal attitudes of the time disallowed a proper comprehension of the victims and proper justice to be served - namely a biased judge, a desperate DA, and jurors who were in disbelief despite the testimonies of witnesses under oath, and a second trial barring much of these witnesses and evidence and a judge framing it the way he wants it to go. The verdicts were limited to either acquit or death penalty/life sentence. Also about the expert witnesses on psychology, child abuse, trauma etc. Erik was mentally 8-12 years and Lyle 13/14 respectively. The defense’s case was that they had reasonable belief they were acting out of imperfect self defense. adding this because i have seen people say they were adults when they committed these crimes. Yes they were, but it is all so tricky to put in nice neat organized boxes. The prosecution and judge treated this case as a one and done thing - murder, guilty, life sentence. But this criminal trial was more complex than that. The brothers had every reason to believe their life was in danger. It was not about whether the brothers were guilty or not guilty. Yes they were. But they have served their time. Whether it is to say their mental psyche is not fit to be a citizen in the world, well time has shown they have been good. As Abramson said, Erik has had the worst karma, and him and Lyle deserve to have that vacation with their respective wives and families. And as she said again in respect to the argument that the brothers’ motive was for money (disproven due to them thinking they were out of the will and Lyle was to be executor of the estate in a few months etc.): “what do they say when poor kids kill?” While I do think crime especially murder and so on is abhorrent, what their parents did too was loathsome. If they did not kill their parents, maybe the headlines would have been about a suicide instead. (If someone has more information and alternative angle, please do share. I am happy to research more about the case and also hear about differing views.)
I think you should read the second trial transcripts and listen to the 61 minute Oziel tape. The defense manipulated some of the people on the juries at the first trial and this was discovered afterwards by the second trial’s prosecutors. Lyle asked family and friends to lie for him and tried paying some people to lie for him. Erik lied numerous times to his psychiatrist Vicary and Attorney Abramson ordered his psychiatrist to redact large portions of his notes that were incriminating so prosecutors could not see them. The second prosecutor obtained the original notes, Vicary’s medical license was suspended, and Attorney Abramson faced misconduct charges with the state bar for 3 years. This was always a first degree case because of the brutality the brothers used in killing their unarmed parents. It is a common misconception that the goal of people on the jury was to determine if mere abuse occurred. The real duty on them was to determine whether or not there was corroboration of both parents abusing the adult brothers so extremely that they were in such imminent fear of them they had no other choice than to kill them. The evidence and corroboration is not there which is why the defense tried to manipulate people from realizing the actual duty with their child abuse stories. Regardless if the dad abused them or not, retaliation killing is illegal and first degree. Lyle had no legal basis to kill either parent because his abuse ended at 11 according to Lyle. Erik testified that his mother never abused him so he had no legal basis to kill her. When someone is guilty of SA or child SA they are sentenced to prison NOT the DP by brutal execution and in the mom’s case DP by brutal execution TWICE. The brothers are self-proclaimed former victims of abuse and also violent felonious murderers and burglars.
@aura_bella Thank You. I think your opinion is the most well rounded and intelligent I have read from anyone supporting the brothers and I agree that Erik should NOT have ever had his case combined with Lyle's. However, legally if a crime occurs as a result of your initial crime you are legally responsible for that crime. For example, if 5 people rob a bank and 1 of the 5 kills a teller all 5 of them are legally liable for murder because the murder happened as a result of their initial robbery crime. The notion of Judge Weisenberg being biased on this case really has not been proven and can only be believed if someone is unaware that in 1996 he ORDERED both sides to negotiate a plea deal. The brothers adamantly refused anything other than manslaughter when second degree was a reasonable compromise given the brutality of the crimes and given the additional evidence the second trial prosecutors obtained the brothers may or may not have been made aware of. Because the brothers rejected second degree the case went to trial a second time and the jury voted guilty of first degree. In legal cases there are usually mitigating factors but the strength of those mitigating factors lessens depending on the brutality of the crimes and if the mitigating factors are subjective and not irrefutable. The mitigating factors you mentioned are all subjective. For example, the faceless photos supposedly of Erik were presented to the juries at the first trial 3 TIMES and proved themselves to be unconvincing. The one medical record of only Erik was subjective as well. Subjective means different people understand it differently. Those photos were very common for the time period. I have seen similar photos of myself in family albums at Erik's age and likely people on the jury have too and also have similar photos of their children at that age in family albums. When a photo is in a family album or in an envelope with a mother's affectionate handwriting "Erik's 6th Birthday Party" that means the parents were not trying to hide the photos nor did they see anything wrong with the photos. Back in the 1980s and before you had to take a camera roll to a store to have the photos printed. That also means the employees at the photo store in NJ did not see anything wrong with the photos either. Erik's one medical report lists a very common injury in children even present day and nowhere on it does the doctor mention it was a result of abuse. The rest of the 8 pieces of SA evidence you refer to are all subjective meaning that an objective person looks at this case as 2 adult brothers charged with killing 2 victims not just 1. If you have evidence painting Jose to be an abuser that is not good enough because it does not paint the second victim to be an abuser. Also, mere abuse is NOT strong enough legal justification for the brutality of their crimes. The evidence NEEDED to be irrefutable evidence that BOTH parents were abusing their adult sons EVERY DAY, and keeping them captive in that house. WHY? Because the legal penalty for SA or child SA is prison sentence NOT the DP by brutal execution and in the mother's case the DP by brutal execution TWICE. One thing to keep in mind is that ALL of the jury members that voted against the brothers at the first trial said they had empathy and sympathy for the brothers' plight but they did not find corroboration of their accusations against their parents. There is a CERTAIN coldness and cold bloodedness that resonates from the brothers during their cross examinations. I am not talking about the when the defense attorneys ask them questions and they fake cry with no tears and spew rehearsed lies but rather the coldness and defensiveness they demonstrated when answering the prosecutors' questions during cross examination. Erik was worse than Lyle with his acting, despite having acting experience, and at the second trial Erik proved himself unable to think of lies as quickly as he did at the first trial when questioned by prosecutor David Conn. Unlike the first trial, Conn had his own psychiatrist interview Erik as well and it was learned that there is a certain amount of coldness, premedidation, and maliciousness required which has nothing to do with being a self-proclaimed victim of abuse and everything to do with brutality and monetary gain.
@@cjking4511so according to you all " real " abuse victims are perfect, pure, with lots of love and warm In their hearts and with no hate towards their abusers??? What? 🤣🤣🤣😮
I’m sorry and I do believe these boys were abused and that’s heart breaking however, they killed two people and murder is murder. It was premeditated, and executed. They should be behind bars.
Idk I rarely ever stick up for “murderers” and come to their defense, but I believe that prison can in many cases be rehabilitation. I do believe that they were abused sexually, physically, emotionally & mentally. Mostly by their father. And they knew their mom would always come to her husbands defense. I think they were very heavily influenced & their father had immense power over them. It’s unheard of for the family to want them released. I think they’ve done their time. I do believe they should be allowed a second chance at life, but that’s just my opinion.
They should enforce people like these two brothers to do mandatory therapy, even if they are getting paroled or house arrest, too. So sad what these parents were doing to them boys, but they will need help far beyond if ever released.
@@GreenWitch1 I have irrefutable proof and NO motivation to lie. For example, Gascon listed some of the violations he is aware of in his 57 page memo for the resentencing hearing.
@GreenWitch1 Wonderful, but therapy in prison is not the same as therapy out. They called themselves freeing themselves from one prison to end up in another. It broke my heart, but it was the best place for them after what they've went through. I am thinking of their transition, and then the fact that their parents created monsters and for them to be released just freely is not a good look. I am thinking of everyone's safety. Anyway, just SMH 🤦😞
Sometimes you have to carry out your own justice. Parents got what was coming to them. Hopefully those who have this tendency to be so abusive will keep in mind their victims wont remain their victims forever. Only they don't get to decide for them how they go about putting an end to it.
What about the abuse that was done to them? Children who suffer from SA have broken brains. There is a disconnect from reality. They need professional help. And they won’t get it in prison.
@Jax52reg Unfortunately there are those of that old mentality. The one about "boys can't be raped." They see it as, the brothers should have been able to take care of themselves. Along with these supposed "right ways to go about it..." Msybe to you and me while our rationality and reasoning hasn't been diminished it would be easy to view it that way. But abuse effects the victims more than just physically. Physically you heal. But that definitely doesn't mean you heal mentally and emotionally from it.
It would be one thing for them to try to get their sentences lessened, but to say you didn't do it after being found guilty sounds like they're not taking accountability.
The whole thing is ridiculous. The mother didn't interfere with them so why consider a retrial. They did it for the money and and they had no real excuse to take their parents life. They should have gone to the police 🚓
Those boys grew up in hell and fear. They went to extreme out of fear. Their 1st trial the male jurors didn't believe oys could be abused so 2nd trial wasn't fair. These boys have been in jail longer than life sentences in other countries all over the world which is 25 years in most. They probably can't have good future outside because of their crimes but they deserve a chance to try. Their Dad was a monster and their Mother seemed to either be too afraid to protect them or she was truly just jealous of them mentally ill or abused to point she meant it when she said she hated her kids and wish they werent born. The threatened to poison them. They were afraid to eat. Ill mever believe those boys werent afraid. Other family members testified. They tried to get them help but the mother wouldn't listen. They should have gone to child services but with his power and money how could they prove it? They could have removed them from home put them in a safe place and demanded doctors to examine them for evidence. Even then the boys would probably have feared for their lives if returned. It was groomed into their brains to not tell and the family name was most important. They didn't even want to use this for a defense. They refused to tell until they had to. Come on now. There were ways to find the truth. Nobody cared. The prosecutor wanted a win after losing the OJ case. They put the boys in the courtyard for the flogging rather than try to get them proper help right? Many others have come forward admitting abuse at that man's hands. Everyone feared him. I can't believe they were just stuck in those prisons separated for so long when they were all each other had left. Funny how their stories haven't changed after all these years without contact. The person , Kitty's brother doesnt want them released and it is probably too embarrassing to admit his sister behaved like she did and if he fights for them it's like admitting the truth and horror of his sisters behavior. While her sister is all for their release. They deserve to be released.
A lifetime of prison time is cruel to abuse victims. They should have been released years ago. There are people who kill children who aren't in prison for nearly as long as Kyle and Eric. This seems personal.
The only problem i have with this case is that its their word against the dead. They went on a spending spree afterwards which kind of conflicts with their story a bit.
If the parents were still alive they would deny everything. More than fifty people testified at the first trial to confirm the abuse and new evidence and testimony has come to light. It seems that all the evidence in the world is not enough for people like you.
The only love they knew was just spending on luxury so it makes sense they thought spending would make them happy but it was revealed despite all the luxury erik still was seeking a therapist so that backfired .
The prosecutors tried to make it seem like it was money motivated but they had money their whole life. They had expensive cars, watches, clothes while their parents were alive. It makes no sense they killed their parents for money.
@@flyinv3663she did manipulated and planned the murder and if not commiting murder by herself is an excuse then charles mansion too didn't commited any murder by himself it was follower .
They committed murder and why should they be released what makes them different to any other who killed and if they get released they will be laughing at our system and if so any killer should also be free and they look wicked and guilty
Aside from the fact they were already accustomed to this way of life they were trying to create a situation where they appeared to be behaving normally. And for them this is what they thought looked normal.
Yes, they were. But what happens after the fact doesn’t really matter. I was abused from the age of 12 up until my late 20s and it took a lot for me to even tell someone what was going on.
They had money anyway and if you have ever felt that sometimes when shopping it stops a self traumatic experience it’s a known fact that even Professionals on higher grounds Agree with this !!
Don’t hate but I was all for supporting the brothers but when I heard Lyle left his wife for a much younger woman right before his possible freedom I feel like he’s been using women all along for his gain
So it’s out of the realm of possibility that the woman did something wrong? It’s assumed he just did it bc he thinks he is getting out? Do you know them personally?
Most men do when faced with the reality that just as many of them are sexually assaulted as children as females are. Our society has put its head in the sand for too long rather than admit to it. As a grown adult wouldn't you want to kill a person that raped you as a child, no matter who it was? There was way too much anger in the killings for it to have been about the money.
It was , it was clearly made up , still surprised some people are dim enough to belive their lies . We're its very clear they got their defence from a book their lawyer who is kmow for using that same defence gave them to read.
@@juliusfishman7222 Leslie was picked because she had experience with an abuse turned-to-murder case. The reports of abuse happened well before they hired her as their lawyer. Stop victim blaming for standing up to their abusers.
They murdered their unarmed parents in their home. Repeatedly shot with shotguns that were reloaded. Then the murderers partied and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on themselves. They should serve the rest of their lives in prison. Where are their parent’s second chance???
1. their parents weren’t physically armed with guns at that exact moment however their mother had just bought one and their father had constantly threatened to kill them. 2. only one of the shot guns was reloaded and they just panicked and shot whatever they had aimlessly. 3. they did not party, they acted very distressed and spent around their usual spending habits and used money to cope. like many people do. 4. people who rape their children for over a decade don’t get a second chance. people who defend themselves out of fear do.
You’re really asking why the parents don’t get a second chance after abusing their children for years? Just say that you empathize more with SA than killing since that’s clearly your logic lol
And for the fame. I think the older brother was very envious of his father’s wealth but Jose was a self made immigrant. They were spoiled grown *ss men, they could’ve left the house. They only decided to kill their parents after they were threatened to be removed from the will and I don’t buy the sexual abuse because it was only brought up after they hired the woman lawyer who had helped someone with that testimony. People are brainwashed by tik tok and narrow mindsets. The way they murdered their parents and had zero to no remorse only when sentenced did they express real emotion. Let them enjoy their jail cell fame and keep society a safer place without them being a threat to kill again, if they are released they will surely be empowered to keep getting away with murder, they are real psychopaths. R.I.P. Kitty and Jose and for society staining your names. Divine Justice will prevail 🕯️✨
@@Sharylanneaunt Joan was very close.but I think the family attorney should butt out of the legal stuff mark is their attorney not him .the family needs to stay in their lane and if it's moved to the ag then we could be looking at another delay which could mean Donald Trump appointed ag could be in place who wants that
Just because their rich family wants them released, really?. Are they also going to release other poor felons just because their families want them home? IF YOU DID THE CRIME YOU DO THE TIME
They were adults. The cared more about money then anything. They could have left if the allegations were true. Hell…one was away at college for some time
they were psychologically the mental developmental ages of 8 and 10. just because they HAD money doesn’t mean that is true. they were being fully controlled and mentally manipulated into not being able to just “walk out the door”. Lyle was going to go away for college until he found out what was still happening with his father and little brother. he went back to protect him.
Money means nothing when you are subjected to a childhood of sexual violence and abuse. You clearly do not understand how childhood abuse impacts on a person.
That's not true my love. It seems that way but it ain't that easy. You are always a kid when you recall your past life as a victim. I speak from experience
Yeah they are allowed to when they been suffering since the age of 6 to the age of 18 years old they were being molested and raped u people are heartless 💔
Those brothers were grown when they decided to delete their parents. They could've easily left their supposedly abusive parents and moved on with their life. Abuse is never an excuse to delete someone.
have you dealt with abuse on the same level as this? If so, have you not ever felt such anger you wanted them dead? If the person was rich, would you not be scared they could pay people off?
There was NO evidence of abuse. It wasn't even their first story, it's just something they came up with when they changed their story. They did burglarise their rich neighbors though, there IS evil of that. Their mentally ill rich psychopaths
You would think that they were innocent of their crimes with the way some people react. The defence and media have done a great job of drumming up hysteria. The emotional manipulation is real.
Yeah, someone is organizing a push to get these guys out. Whatever the circumstances, they are guilty as hell Edit: it's like with Palestine, people are extremely easily manipulated these days
Nobody kills their parents because they were loving or kind. There was something very dysfunctional in the family. It was awful what they did but I believe the mental toil the parents subjected them to was so over the top and I believe there was abuse. Nobody shots the parents in the face just for the sake of money.
I might’ve had a little sympathy for these two if they would not have killed the mother. The mother was not a threat as much as the father was physically/sexually. She was a threat to them mentally as she was their mother and allowed things to happen, but they should’ve spared her life because she was probably a victim of their father as well. That’s what points to the money factor here a little bit because they knew if the father was dead the mother was still being in control of the money.
If you let someone SA your own kids everyday and you defend them and cover it up, you're even worse than the abuser at that point. I'm so tired of you people defending enablers.
How fickle the public is. After the Netflix show and the documentary, all people were talking about was their release. It seemed like a done deal and things were moving fast. Now it’s like old news again. They have Luigi now to focus on I guess. If all that hype was really because the former LA DA was trying to get good PR for his campaign, that’s sad that he used them in that way.
If they can actually prove they were molested, sure, try them again, but i highly doubt if it did happen that both parents were involved. 9/10 times things like this happens it's usually the male figure. The fact that they killed both parents and only changed their story to molestation after they realized their fake Mafia story wasn't cutting it says their motive was something entirely different.
Really? I know three survivors of child sexual abuse, all of them women, whose mothers were complicit in that the victims told their mothers and their mothers refused to believe them. In two cases, the mother's immediate, knee jerk reaction was to slap her daughter across the face for telling lies about the abuser (one was the grandfather, one was a stepfather). In the third case, the mother just told her to stop exaggerating. In all three cases, the abuse ended up when the victims finally got up the courage to tell an adult outside the family who involved law enforcement and the abusers were charged and convicted. All three cases happened back in the 1970s and 1980s--I think that, if they happened today, the mothers would also have been charged for negligence, at the very least. I hope they would have been, anyway.
@@GrainneDhub-ll6vw not believing someone is different from joining in on the abuse. It's pretty common that spouses are in denial that someone they married is a monster, but that doesn't mean they were complicit in the act nor does it mean they're as bad as the actual perpetrator and deserve the exact punishment what he does. And again, they could have reached out to someone instead like those other victims you mention. claims without proof is hard to believe when a lot of money and changing stories is involved.
@@GetUnwoke There is proof that Lyle Menendez did tell a cousin that there was something horrible happening (probably not the down and dirty details). If you weren't an adult pre-1980s, you may not realise that during that era, it was very common to believe that men and boys could not be sexually assaulted. In fact, the prosecutor in the case at the time said so publicly! That attitude is also what enabled the Catholic Church pedophile scandal, where multiple bishops shuffled pedophile priests from place to place without cutting off their access to victims--the bishops knew darn well that most people would not believe that boys could be sexually abused.
They had evidence they were and those tears were real and real emotions from the Menendez brothers they were molested that's why the mom got shot more times then the dad she did nothing to stop it 💯 💔
Premeditated murder to inherit their parent's wealth. They should have gotten the death penalty IMHO. It's a travesty that they may be let free after that horrendous murder. And the entire abuse defense was completely fake.
Maybe don't comment if you have no idea wtf you're talking about. It wasn't for money. That was disproven in court and even the grand jury found no evidence of that
@Carolyn36-v4eoh boy your on a good one , they MURDERED there parents . They are not getting out nor should they . Sorry but murder is murder get over it.
Well they are actually recordings where Lyle did mention to one of his little fans that he was actually going to act like he had sympathy to convince the jury all this is a CONTRADICTION and no is not base on Netflix
All those child stars that were sexually abused are still scared to talk about it. What makes you think children of abuse at the hands of their own parents who were supposed to be protectors, how would they be able to bring such abuse to light let alone get any kind of justice?
I remember this case & in my opinion they should never be released. After they brutally murdered their parents they both went on huge spending sprees etc. Even being abused two wrongs dont make a right . Those evil grins on their faces give me the creeps }:‑)}:‑)
You got your information from Netflix! It’s not accurate at all! The trials are actually on RUclips if you’re curious. They were brutalized for years!!
@@GreenWitch1she said "remember(s) the case" which I'm thinking you don't know this but the murders were pre-netflix, dud. I also remember they're spending spree and not so much of this "they're..they're eating the dogs" kinda BS!
@GloriaRodriguez-vy1gk You're the only 1 that mentioned "for financial gain", buddy. They were charged for murdering the parents. You're the 1 who's false, dud. You need better male role models to look up to, cause uh seems as though your destined for some beatings by a man in your future. Look up, eye level not "what's that stuck to the bottom of his shoe" head down looking. Be better.
Yes murder is murder. But Motive and intention is a huge factor, and why there are degrees in murder. And why self-defence and manslaughter are not described as murder, though the end result is still the same (the death of a person you caused). Nuance is important, and intention is key in handing down the correct sentence. Yes they deserved sentencing but to what degree is the point here. Should they be released at some point? Perhaps. Perhaps not.
I don’t think anyone believes that they’re not guilty. We know they did it. They shouldn’t have gotten life in prison for it though. Their father abused them not just physically, but sexually. And the mother knew and did nothing to stop it. I think people have zero remorse for the parents being murdered. They were evil.
Interesting ABC, owned by Walt Disney, doesn't mention the Netflix documentary. Instead the reporter simply refers to "recent documentaries" because Hulu, Disney Plus, and ABC made no documentary on the Mendez Brothers.
I’m not sure if their father abused them, but as adults, they had the option to leave instead of resorting to violence. Furthermore, it’s puzzling why they would reload the gun and return to shoot their mother (in the face), who was innocent in the matter. This situation raises many questions, and like the esteemed Judge Judy, who wisely stated that she wouldn’t release them, I also find the circumstances difficult to justify.
@@slappygoober6544 she was not innocent she touched them too and knew about it for years that's why she got the shot gun to the face 😏 lyle went back and reloaded it to make her suffer like she made them boys suffer with their monster dad
This is just outrageous at this point! There's something off with that Nathan guy. I really feel like he's totally lying when he said he's not gonna be political when it comes to the brothers case but he fired two deputies who support them decreasing the balance and fairness of the argument on the case. Seems like he will low-key try to overturn everything George Gascon did even if it's justified cause of political purposes. I really hope the case will be transferred to the CA Attorney General so we can finally end this story with the brothers being released for good.
I totally believe they didn't get abused they r using people get put. However Ffsake plenty of people don't kill their abusers but I don't believe they were.
It's so tragic. The two young men, then, were barely adults. They came from privileged backgrounds. There is no doubt that they shot their parents over and over again with shotguns, but why on earth would they destroy their own lives in such an unimaginable way?
So because they spent money they were already used to spending before the murders since they were wealthy, they lied about the abuse despite having proof and witnesses?! That makes a lot of sense 😂
There were family members who testified on their behalf. Claiming they believed that their father had abused them in the way they said. Including their cousin who testified that Erik had confided in her years earlier about the abuse, she didn't report it because she did not know what to do. Also, Roy Rosselló publically accused Jose Menendez of the same abuse. Is your only belief that they did this for money because they went on a shopping spree? Something they could've easily done before all of this?
@@JDJoshofficial Diane Vander Molen, their cousin, testified that Erik had told her of it years earlier. An aunt testified that he was a toxic figure, to at least give credibility to the brother's portrayal. And again Roy Rosselló also accused Jose Menendez of the same abuse. More than 50 people testified against Jose, labeling him a toxic and abusive figure. So I ask again, is your only reason to defend him simply the fact they went on a shopping spree?
It sets a precedent for other cases. Court TV did a profile of Taylor Schabusiness and questioned the experts if she is capable of rehabilitation. They suspect she may have been SA by her father. It could be a ticket out of prison for other ruthless killers.
DA needs to actually watch the trial hearings and not just read the trial transcripts. The boys showed emotions at the court hearings. You can't feel emotions through reading words. I hope they watch the trial.
No. They suffered being locked up and reliving their trauma for long enough. They couldn't leave their parents back then because what if Josè called the police to find them and made up a lie that he would never do bad stuff to his sons. Kitty would also make up a lie by saying if she knew her sons were being sexually abused by Josè, she would say to him that she wants a divorce from her husband and even get money from Josè. But she knew about the abuse ever since Lyle and Erik were kids before Joan told her and still didn't do *ANYTHING* !
HEY! fun fact! that’s not how it fucking works. if you’re being emotionally manipulated by your parents you can’t just “leave” it’s not as easy as just walking out the front door. their parents controlled EVERYTHING. Lyle actually did manage to get away and was going to go off to Princeton, however Erik was still being completely controlled by his parents who would not pay for him to go to college if he didn’t stay at home.
Avant de raconter n'importe quoi, veuillez vous informer ; les parents étaient des monstres, ils ont poussé leurs enfants jusqu'au bout, les deux frères ont payé largement leur terrible acte ! 🇨🇵
Where the proof they were molested , waiting. Little party animals wanted everything but only got what they deserve . Oh yeah they ain't getting out either sorry.
So we are lining them up with someone More likely to support their release? That's not a conflict of interest? Why don't we stop all this waste of money and polygraph them and call it a day? What do they have to loose if they are already in prison right? So they test clean.. open an investigation. If they don't, turn the page and let them serve out.
If they are going to reconsider this case involving white men, they should also do the same for two other groups, Brown and the black community, who are currently facing life sentences without the possibility of parole. Failing to do so would clearly highlight the privilege that is deeply ingrained in our perception of white individuals, further solidifying our existing beliefs about the legal system.
You do realize they are BROWN, right? Their father was born in Cuba. They have the last name Menendez. Your racism is so strong, you can't even see the truth. I suggest you get a grip on that. Racism is a horrific mindset.
Watched their story recently on Dateline. What they did to their parents was horrific. They are where they belong and not out among the general public.
I was so furious for her case. She didn’t need to be in a prison after all she went through. Maybe that boyfriend of hers should, but she needed to be in a mental facility getting help and not some common jail cell as if she was malicious for no justified reason. Her mother was a damn monster.
@@ashb7846 She is the one who asked him to off her mother & convinced him it was the only way. 😂 That boyfriend of hers would be in his basement playing D&D games had they never crossed paths.
@@ashb7846 She is the one who asked him to off her mother & convinced him it was the only way. 😂 That boyfriend of hers would be in his basement playing D&D games had they never crossed paths.
TF are you talking about. Gypsy Rose did her time. She got 10 years for 2nd degree murder, with possibility of parole. She did 8 years and then got parole. These guys are sentenced on 1st degree murder and are sentenced to life with no possibility of parole, same as Gypsy Rose's bf. They are never getting out irrespective of what TikTok tells you.
And yet Gascon only used them for publicity rather than doing anything about it. See it is clear they murdered 2 people for greed or hubris or let's say even for abuse but murder they did. They ain't getting out.
Only one family member opposes the release. Hundreds of other character witnesses describe Jose as the most evil man to exist, before even knowing what he did to his kids.
@@bennettloni1630 didn’t even the prosecutor pamela or wtvr her name was say the world is a better place w out Jose??
Who was it ?
@@moxygirlhey Why do you care
0:53 literally watch the video
You do the crime you do the time
Hard to believe this case happened in 1989.
The first time I ever heard of them, I remember how embarrassing I thought it would be to break the law and get caught.
Agree! I remember watching the court case on Cable.
When I was 3rd grade elementary student! Now I am 44 years old.
I was 2 years old now I am 37!
Why did age just bite you in the butt😂
I'll never forget my mom telling me if these were sisters they never would have been arrested. That was back when they were first arrested before the trials. Crazy so much has come out since then too
Mom is based. Good to know there are some women that are aware of the systemic sexism against men ❤ Happy new year ❤
That is definitely NOT true. Women do not typically BRUTALLY kill someone twice for alleged abuse that happened a long time ago when they were 11. When women do that type of brutality they get the SAME punishment as these brothers did. For example, Jodi Arias said her boyfriend was abusing her but similarly could not convince an entire jury of that and because she brutally killed her boyfriend she got life without parole. Nothing has “come out” to erase the brutality in these brothers’ crimes and nothing has “come out” to erase the 61 minute Oziel tape where the brothers state their reasons for killing the parents very coldly and those reasons have nothing to do with abuse.
@@Ashley.mc87 Google is the worst sh1te cancer on this planet. Censoring at complete will with no rhyme or reason
Ashley ❤ hyd hmu mommy
ur mom was wrong
If they can release Gypsy rose they can release them
Hard to believe but she did her time.They are never getting out.
There's no evidence of abuse.
These people just want MONEY.
Two wrongs don’t make a right
TF are you talking about. Gypsy Rose did her entire sentence. She was incarcerated for 8 of her 10 year sentence and then got parole. This when there was clear public evidence that she was abused. She didn't get pardon or anything. Her bf who did the actual murder got life in prison without parole, and is not getting out of jail. So yeah exactly like Gypsy Rose, Menendez are also gonna serve their sentence, which is life without parole. Abuse is no excuse to murder. If one is abused, report it to authorities, fight it out. Only the self defense when life is in danger scenario murder might be excusable and even then its not easy unless you are cop.
Ya know what… fair point.
In one interview, a female cousin said that when they were sentenced to life, she said something to Lyle and and Lyle said something like, “Diane. Don’t. I feel safer in prison than with mom and dad.” That’s very telling.
Set them free already.
I don't understand, how can that be. They killed their mom and dad, why would they feel safer in prison.
How?? By then, the parents were dead. Stop supporting these 2 who brutally unalived their parents for financial gain. They were both old enough to move out of the house/off their parents' property.
@@heygirl5565probably the word "with mom and dad" represented their guilt feeling after killing them, something they could not get out of their mind. Good people always feel guilty after killing their victims despite the fact that the victims had abused them. So being in prison helps to compensate their trauma.
Probably the word "with mom and dad" represented their guilt feeling after killing them, something they couldn't get out of their minds. Most good people feel guilty after killing their victims although the victims had abused them. So being in the prison helps to compensate the trauma.
They wont date you when they get out. You will have to stick with Jesus.
Six weeks before she died Kitty told her Psychiatrist she was "Hiding sick and embarrassing secrets about her family". She knew what was going on. I'm no expert but I believe she suffered from a mental illness and didn't want to get help. Family members say she displayed odd behavior at times. One time she threatened to poison the family and she would also fly into rages and throw dishes. Family members also stated she would talk about how she wished her boys hadn't been born. I wont get into the abuse the boys say they suffered at her hands, but the women clearly had issues. She was not the innocent thing some people make her out to be. Both brothers say they saw Jose physically abuse Kitty. It's just a crying shame and so sad she sided with a husband that not only abused her and her children, but other children as well.
Kitty was abused by her Grandfather
@@catherinerheault4771 no she definitely was abused just the same with jose menendez so sad but they didn't have to do the same to their own kids it's so heartbreaking 💔 😢
I mean TBF if the movie shows ANY truth (and we know some pieces are VERY truthful) that part where one of them was talking about how the mom would lay naked on the couch and then have them come lay next to her. Like... that's not JUST sick, that is mental illness and from what i have seen over the years it is because she probably experienced that and thought it was normal but it also may have been sexy to her in a sick way. Perverts do perverted things because it turns them on. It's sick. But, it's honest.
@@menudomdo2122disturbed people like her definitely were abused, and I’m sure Jose was abused in some way too, but that doesn’t justify what they did to their sons. Having kids doesn’t mature you. I really hope this case is a lesson to up coming parents. Get your shit together before you even ponder the thought of having children
@@maxsmart8954 such an understanding and compassionate person
Any kids that kill there parents were most likely abused by them in some way, most kids brought up by loving parents don't kill their parents.
Ignorant comment.
Unless they are psychopaths
Abuse is no excuse for murder. Gypsy Rose was clearly, publicly abused without any doubt, she still did her time, and the bf who killed the mother is in for life without parole.
Murder is Murder!
BS
I feel like prison shouldn't always be about punishment but rehabilitation and these two have not only learned their lesson and suffered the consequences but theyve served their time, immensely. Let them out.
Then there are prisons bulging w/folks who should be let out. Having $ shouldn't be a get outta jail free card.
@mzdkkeller wow
@mzdkkeller they also should get out because this wasn't 1st degree. What they did was a result of emotional distress and abuse. They also didn't get a fair 2nd trial. They were wronged by the system and the prosecuters said that boys cant be raped. It's just time.
@thruthemotions the f**k???? They murdered two people, including their own mother, in cold blood...why nit just wound the father to bring their abuse to the forefront? Really disturbing comment👀👀
Learned their lesson? They learned nothing, because they don't take accountability for their actions
Stop playing with these men's lives.
These are monsters NOT men, do your research DUMMY!
Right. Just keep the murders in jail. I’m sure we could use some of this energy trying to find out if someone in jail is guilty or not. But we know they did it so why?
@@BlackNewty They've spent their lives in jail, barely getting out at retirement age. What kind of life do you think they can make for themselves as felons? Did you even watch the most recent show about what their parents both did to them??? The parents were worse than the kids and made those boys who they became.
They’re the ones who decided to roll those dice 🎲 🎲 35 years ago.
@@clrichards-s3g There are always going to be chi mo supporters. It's scary to them that kids can grow up and take them out
Prosecutor Pam Bozanich " The loss of Jose Menendez was a plus for mankind. He was really a terrible man."
Why does "whole internet" behave like they know exactly what happened? Maybe they are monsters, maybe abused victims but none of us know the truth. I would forbid public appearance for lawyers, they are paid to do their job (which is perfectly fine) in courtroom but not here to convince the public in someone's innocence.
Well, we have seen first hand what convincing/manipulating the public opinion did to the "Depp vs. Heard" case.
@@chunjoglavi right like we have no idea what really happened we don’t know what the cause was but if you use common sense you could hopefully understand that there had to be more to it than money because of how brutal the killings were
@@Cherry74748 Ah common sense..i know someone attribute that to human beings but my life experience tells me it's not that common at all.
@@Viko.O13 what did it do?
If you don’t know the truth I suggest you look up the trials where they had hung jury
Hockman has already let his opinion be known publically BEFORE he has even talked to defence and the 25 family members less one in favour of release. That is exactly what he SAID HE WOULDNT DO to heaps of programs when elected. Whether Hockman actually has any say now or all the say is with the judge I'm not 100 percent sure. But it sure didnt take Hockman long to show his biased opionion and remove two deputies on the case and promote anti release Cade
Gascon was just playing his cards to get publicity. No wonder he lost.
I fear Hockman is just another brown-nosing scumbag trying to use a high profile case to his own political advantage. I wonder whose @rse he's currently trying to crawl into and how exactly he'll benefit from it.
As a mother of two children who were victims of SA I can say the brothers deserve a second chance. Trading one hell for another isn’t the answer. It’s just my opinion….
Hell No. You would not be saying that if your children brutally killed their abuser AND you. They had no legal justification for killing either parent, especially their mother. The brutality of their crime is not something to ignore just because you feel compelled to personalize it to yourself. NO abuse story is the same. There is not even solid evidence or corroboration they were abused.
What if your children killed you or your husband and they would claim the abuse excuse to save themselves. How would you feel?
What if they killed you, for not protecting them?
@ I would be dead? How would you feel if the people who said they loved you, sexually assaulted you? Children suffer physically and emotionally when they are assaulted. Their whole world is turned inside out and they live with fear everyday of their lives. My sons predator threatened to kill his mom and sisters if he told and then strangled his cat in front of him. He still lives with fear and anger!
Their mother knew it was going on and did nothing u reap what u sow 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️@@cjking4511
Most of the victims' family members want the killers to be released. That's unheard of. That means the dead ones were really horrible people if not even their own sisters' want their killers to stay in prison. I have never in my life heard of a case where the victims' family support/defend the killers /testified against the victims. I know because I watch a Lot of true crime AND seen many parricide cases so can compare. In most cases, the victims' family do want the killers to stay in prison for the totality of their sentence even if the killers are family as well.However, this is clearly not the case here and they also have the right to be heard and taken into account under California laws.
Nothing justifies murder
This exactly.
@@raecullen3976 nobody Is missing José and Kitty , not even their own family because they were evil
@@raecullen3976In your ideologies!
So the law is the law
I hope they get released. What they did was wrong but they don't belong in prison forever and even their family thinks that. I saw the trial and what both parents did to them was horrific.
If their family was wrong, then people will regret their release.
And you believe everything you here?
Too bad the victims aren't here to tell their truths
So they get to be the judge , jury and executioner.
Lets hear what their parents have to say about it.
@@thesummerof1968 If there's evidence, witnesses and victims outside the family abused by the father, then yes I do believe it smh
@@thesummerof1968 Were you hoping the victims would be resurrected?
Why even have LAWS at all when its all in the hands of prosecutors 😑😑
After watching 8+ hrs of court trial videos and reading the definitive book by Robert Rand on the case, the brothers definitely should’ve been charged with manslaughter and released by now, although not being given the death penalty could be considered a win for the defense and the brothers- considering the attitudes towards sexual abuse, particularly male sexual abuse at the time. The defense had examined 101 witnesses and the prosecution barely any. It is telling that the entire family except for one is advocating for the brothers’ release. I’m no expert, but this is my opinion considering the opinions of the experts. As for the prosecution, they sure did their job acting like emotionless, rigid robots ignoring that human nature is complex, nuanced and messy. The brothers have been model prisoners: helping those who have suffered, creating art etc.
It is hypocritical to argue that they are being let out due to changing societal attitudes, when the backwards societal attitudes of the time disallowed a proper comprehension of the victims and proper justice to be served - namely a biased judge, a desperate DA, and jurors who were in disbelief despite the testimonies of witnesses under oath, and a second trial barring much of these witnesses and evidence and a judge framing it the way he wants it to go. The verdicts were limited to either acquit or death penalty/life sentence. Also about the expert witnesses on psychology, child abuse, trauma etc. Erik was mentally 8-12 years and Lyle 13/14 respectively. The defense’s case was that they had reasonable belief they were acting out of imperfect self defense. adding this because i have seen people say they were adults when they committed these crimes. Yes they were, but it is all so tricky to put in nice neat organized boxes. The prosecution and judge treated this case as a one and done thing - murder, guilty, life sentence. But this criminal trial was more complex than that. The brothers had every reason to believe their life was in danger.
It was not about whether the brothers were guilty or not guilty. Yes they were. But they have served their time. Whether it is to say their mental psyche is not fit to be a citizen in the world, well time has shown they have been good. As Abramson said, Erik has had the worst karma, and him and Lyle deserve to have that vacation with their respective wives and families. And as she said again in respect to the argument that the brothers’ motive was for money (disproven due to them thinking they were out of the will and Lyle was to be executor of the estate in a few months etc.): “what do they say when poor kids kill?”
While I do think crime especially murder and so on is abhorrent, what their parents did too was loathsome. If they did not kill their parents, maybe the headlines would have been about a suicide instead.
(If someone has more information and alternative angle, please do share. I am happy to research more about the case and also hear about differing views.)
I think you should read the second trial transcripts and listen to the 61 minute Oziel tape. The defense manipulated some of the people on the juries at the first trial and this was discovered afterwards by the second trial’s prosecutors. Lyle asked family and friends to lie for him and tried paying some people to lie for him. Erik lied numerous times to his psychiatrist Vicary and Attorney Abramson ordered his psychiatrist to redact large portions of his notes that were incriminating so prosecutors could not see them. The second prosecutor obtained the original notes, Vicary’s medical license was suspended, and Attorney Abramson faced misconduct charges with the state bar for 3 years. This was always a first degree case because of the brutality the brothers used in killing their unarmed parents. It is a common misconception that the goal of people on the jury was to determine if mere abuse occurred. The real duty on them was to determine whether or not there was corroboration of both parents abusing the adult brothers so extremely that they were in such imminent fear of them they had no other choice than to kill them. The evidence and corroboration is not there which is why the defense tried to manipulate people from realizing the actual duty with their child abuse stories. Regardless if the dad abused them or not, retaliation killing is illegal and first degree. Lyle had no legal basis to kill either parent because his abuse ended at 11 according to Lyle. Erik testified that his mother never abused him so he had no legal basis to kill her. When someone is guilty of SA or child SA they are sentenced to prison NOT the DP by brutal execution and in the mom’s case DP by brutal execution TWICE. The brothers are self-proclaimed former victims of abuse and also violent felonious murderers and burglars.
@aura_bella Thank You. I think your opinion is the most well rounded and intelligent I have read from anyone supporting the brothers and I agree that Erik should NOT have ever had his case combined with Lyle's. However, legally if a crime occurs as a result of your initial crime you are legally responsible for that crime. For example, if 5 people rob a bank and 1 of the 5 kills a teller all 5 of them are legally liable for murder because the murder happened as a result of their initial robbery crime. The notion of Judge Weisenberg being biased on this case really has not been proven and can only be believed if someone is unaware that in 1996 he ORDERED both sides to negotiate a plea deal. The brothers adamantly refused anything other than manslaughter when second degree was a reasonable compromise given the brutality of the crimes and given the additional evidence the second trial prosecutors obtained the brothers may or may not have been made aware of. Because the brothers rejected second degree the case went to trial a second time and the jury voted guilty of first degree. In legal cases there are usually mitigating factors but the strength of those mitigating factors lessens depending on the brutality of the crimes and if the mitigating factors are subjective and not irrefutable. The mitigating factors you mentioned are all subjective.
For example, the faceless photos supposedly of Erik were presented to the juries at the first trial 3 TIMES and proved themselves to be unconvincing. The one medical record of only Erik was subjective as well. Subjective means different people understand it differently. Those photos were very common for the time period. I have seen similar photos of myself in family albums at Erik's age and likely people on the jury have too and also have similar photos of their children at that age in family albums. When a photo is in a family album or in an envelope with a mother's affectionate handwriting "Erik's 6th Birthday Party" that means the parents were not trying to hide the photos nor did they see anything wrong with the photos. Back in the 1980s and before you had to take a camera roll to a store to have the photos printed. That also means the employees at the photo store in NJ did not see anything wrong with the photos either. Erik's one medical report lists a very common injury in children even present day and nowhere on it does the doctor mention it was a result of abuse. The rest of the 8 pieces of SA evidence you refer to are all subjective meaning that an objective person looks at this case as 2 adult brothers charged with killing 2 victims not just 1.
If you have evidence painting Jose to be an abuser that is not good enough because it does not paint the second victim to be an abuser. Also, mere abuse is NOT strong enough legal justification for the brutality of their crimes. The evidence NEEDED to be irrefutable evidence that BOTH parents were abusing their adult sons EVERY DAY, and keeping them captive in that house. WHY? Because the legal penalty for SA or child SA is prison sentence NOT the DP by brutal execution and in the mother's case the DP by brutal execution TWICE. One thing to keep in mind is that ALL of the jury members that voted against the brothers at the first trial said they had empathy and sympathy for the brothers' plight but they did not find corroboration of their accusations against their parents. There is a CERTAIN coldness and cold bloodedness that resonates from the brothers during their cross examinations. I am not talking about the when the defense attorneys ask them questions and they fake cry with no tears and spew rehearsed lies but rather the coldness and defensiveness they demonstrated when answering the prosecutors' questions during cross examination. Erik was worse than Lyle with his acting, despite having acting experience, and at the second trial Erik proved himself unable to think of lies as quickly as he did at the first trial when questioned by prosecutor David Conn. Unlike the first trial, Conn had his own psychiatrist interview Erik as well and it was learned that there is a certain amount of coldness, premedidation, and maliciousness required which has nothing to do with being a self-proclaimed victim of abuse and everything to do with brutality and monetary gain.
@@cjking4511then why they were never charged with murder for financial gain as special circumstances??!
@@cjking4511so according to you all " real " abuse victims are perfect, pure, with lots of love and warm In their hearts and with no hate towards their abusers??? What? 🤣🤣🤣😮
@@cjking4511denial is a river in egypt
I’m sorry and I do believe these boys were abused and that’s heart breaking however, they killed two people and murder is murder. It was premeditated, and executed. They should be behind bars.
Free them. They've paid their due, in childhood and adulthood. Free them now.
Boys Boys Boys how sickening the world is !!!!!! They were 18 and 21 get over yourself
Let them out already. 😢
Idk I rarely ever stick up for “murderers” and come to their defense, but I believe that prison can in many cases be rehabilitation. I do believe that they were abused sexually, physically, emotionally & mentally. Mostly by their father. And they knew their mom would always come to her husbands defense. I think they were very heavily influenced & their father had immense power over them. It’s unheard of for the family to want them released. I think they’ve done their time. I do believe they should be allowed a second chance at life, but that’s just my opinion.
@@lindseygasparino nah ur just one of the many crazy headed girls that have an obsession with serial killers 😒
@@NewbieLokiprobably watched the netflix series
Smart move if you ask me there would definitely be be a conflict of interests. I really want to see these men get released
They should enforce people like these two brothers to do mandatory therapy, even if they are getting paroled or house arrest, too. So sad what these parents were doing to them boys, but they will need help far beyond if ever released.
They’ve had therapy in prison. They’ve been model inmates.
@@GreenWitch1That is a lie. They have numerous rule violations on their prison reports with some as recent as this year
@ You’re misinformed
@@GreenWitch1 I have irrefutable proof and NO motivation to lie. For example, Gascon listed some of the violations he is aware of in his 57 page memo for the resentencing hearing.
@GreenWitch1 Wonderful, but therapy in prison is not the same as therapy out. They called themselves freeing themselves from one prison to end up in another. It broke my heart, but it was the best place for them after what they've went through. I am thinking of their transition, and then the fact that their parents created monsters and for them to be released just freely is not a good look. I am thinking of everyone's safety. Anyway, just SMH 🤦😞
Sometimes you have to carry out your own justice. Parents got what was coming to them. Hopefully those who have this tendency to be so abusive will keep in mind their victims wont remain their victims forever. Only they don't get to decide for them how they go about putting an end to it.
What about the abuse that was done to them? Children who suffer from SA have broken brains. There is a disconnect from reality. They need professional help. And they won’t get it in prison.
@Jax52reg Unfortunately there are those of that old mentality. The one about "boys can't be raped." They see it as, the brothers should have been able to take care of themselves. Along with these supposed "right ways to go about it..." Msybe to you and me while our rationality and reasoning hasn't been diminished it would be easy to view it that way. But abuse effects the victims more than just physically. Physically you heal. But that definitely doesn't mean you heal mentally and emotionally from it.
@@Jax52reg 👍100%
S o would you feel the same if one brother had killed the other one when he took him to the lake to do the same.
Hochman is just making the elderly aunts suffer more... They truly loved the brothers unlike their mother Kitty.
It would be one thing for them to try to get their sentences lessened, but to say you didn't do it after being found guilty sounds like they're not taking accountability.
Good!!! The current DA does have a conflict of interest!! On a separate note - he'll go against the last DA's opinion for political reasons!!
The whole thing is ridiculous. The mother didn't interfere with them so why consider a retrial. They did it for the money and and they had no real excuse to take their parents life. They should have gone to the police 🚓
Those boys grew up in hell and fear. They went to extreme out of fear. Their 1st trial the male jurors didn't believe oys could be abused so 2nd trial wasn't fair. These boys have been in jail longer than life sentences in other countries all over the world which is 25 years in most. They probably can't have good future outside because of their crimes but they deserve a chance to try. Their Dad was a monster and their Mother seemed to either be too afraid to protect them or she was truly just jealous of them mentally ill or abused to point she meant it when she said she hated her kids and wish they werent born. The threatened to poison them. They were afraid to eat. Ill mever believe those boys werent afraid. Other family members testified. They tried to get them help but the mother wouldn't listen. They should have gone to child services but with his power and money how could they prove it? They could have removed them from home put them in a safe place and demanded doctors to examine them for evidence. Even then the boys would probably have feared for their lives if returned. It was groomed into their brains to not tell and the family name was most important. They didn't even want to use this for a defense. They refused to tell until they had to. Come on now. There were ways to find the truth. Nobody cared. The prosecutor wanted a win after losing the OJ case. They put the boys in the courtyard for the flogging rather than try to get them proper help right? Many others have come forward admitting abuse at that man's hands. Everyone feared him. I can't believe they were just stuck in those prisons separated for so long when they were all each other had left. Funny how their stories haven't changed after all these years without contact. The person , Kitty's brother doesnt want them released and it is probably too embarrassing to admit his sister behaved like she did and if he fights for them it's like admitting the truth and horror of his sisters behavior. While her sister is all for their release. They deserve to be released.
Hochman has hired uncle Milton's lawyer. Clearly, a conflict of interest.She gave like 250 000 dollars for His campaign
CORRUPT
@@GloriaRodriguez-vy1gk judge Judy is against their freedom
@@GloriaRodriguez-vy1gk she knows everything about this case, not you.
Conflict of interest.
Despite crime being high I knew hochman would lie , cheat and take bribes. That's why I voted for Gascon
A lifetime of prison time is cruel to abuse victims. They should have been released years ago. There are people who kill children who aren't in prison for nearly as long as Kyle and Eric. This seems personal.
Truth !!
The only problem i have with this case is that its their word against the dead. They went on a spending spree afterwards which kind of conflicts with their story a bit.
If the parents were still alive they would deny everything. More than fifty people testified at the first trial to confirm the abuse and new evidence and testimony has come to light. It seems that all the evidence in the world is not enough for people like you.
They were kids ofcos they would go on a shopping spree,who wouldn't at that age?? Especially after being CONTROLLED your whole life.
The only love they knew was just spending on luxury so it makes sense they thought spending would make them happy but it was revealed despite all the luxury erik still was seeking a therapist so that backfired .
The prosecutors tried to make it seem like it was money motivated but they had money their whole life. They had expensive cars, watches, clothes while their parents were alive. It makes no sense they killed their parents for money.
They are born rich. What else do you expect from them ain't that weird they did not no any better
Easier to kill for money than go to work. Then they spent their money after they murdered them like a drunken sailor.
Rip to the Jeju passengers
their names are Not Jeju passengers. their names are menendez brothers. AND they aren't dead. Did you even watch the video? Where is your parent
@@danielholmes2416yup
@@LolUGotBustedJeju passangers justice / stone cold killer sob story? What should be in the news?
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why is gypsy rose free but these men are still in prison
Because she wasn't the murderer.
@@flyinv3663she planned the whole thing.
Gypsy probably did murder her mom she stabbed her too imho
@@flyinv3663she did manipulated and planned the murder and if not commiting murder by herself is an excuse then charles mansion too didn't commited any murder by himself it was follower .
It was a different time… I pray they are released ❤
They committed murder and why should they be released what makes them different to any other who killed and if they get released they will be laughing at our system and if so any killer should also be free and they look wicked and guilty
They are both sickos.
They murdered them for money, nothing else
Gypsy’s rose got released bc she was abused. These men were too. They should be released, plus everyone knows our system is a joke anyways
They committed self defense, people would be laughing at this system if people who killed their abusers get punished for it
That shopping spree they won't on always have me feeling a certain way
Lyle was always in a shopping spree, it was a habit, it was nothing new. Erik said it was Lyle's way of coping with stress.
Just how!? How tho?! You wanted them to feel remorseful for having done away with their life long abusers!? Get a grip!
Aside from the fact they were already accustomed to this way of life they were trying to create a situation where they appeared to be behaving normally. And for them this is what they thought looked normal.
@@selmaharewheres the proof of molestation? They talked alot in prison, they ain't going nowhere.
@@carlton2361 good for u that's how they coped 🤦🏼♀️
They killed there parents. Weren't they out buying stuff afterwards with there money.
Yes, they were. But what happens after the fact doesn’t really matter. I was abused from the age of 12 up until my late 20s and it took a lot for me to even tell someone what was going on.
They had money anyway and if you have ever felt that sometimes when shopping it stops a self traumatic experience it’s a known fact that even Professionals on higher grounds Agree with this !!
@@RONderlucksending love ❤️💙💜🤎
@@angelarock5272 Thank you.
Don’t hate but I was all for supporting the brothers but when I heard Lyle left his wife for a much younger woman right before his possible freedom I feel like he’s been using women all along for his gain
Agreed.
So it’s out of the realm of possibility that the woman did something wrong? It’s assumed he just did it bc he thinks he is getting out? Do you know them personally?
Yep!!!!!! I absolutely, believe there is a conflicts of interest. These men need to be released.
What a waste of taxpayers money to keep them alive all these years
what the actual fuck is this
This was the most shocking story at a time Beverly Hills and Las Vegas were what Dubai is now.. That's how long ago..
They need to stay in prison. They are guilty.
what
I always thought the parental abuse defence was a hail mary imho
Most men do when faced with the reality that just as many of them are sexually assaulted as children as females are. Our society has put its head in the sand for too long rather than admit to it. As a grown adult wouldn't you want to kill a person that raped you as a child, no matter who it was? There was way too much anger in the killings for it to have been about the money.
There’s much evidence to the contrary but I can understand why you feel that way.
It was , it was clearly made up , still surprised some people are dim enough to belive their lies . We're its very clear they got their defence from a book their lawyer who is kmow for using that same defence gave them to read.
@@juliusfishman7222 Leslie was picked because she had experience with an abuse turned-to-murder case. The reports of abuse happened well before they hired her as their lawyer. Stop victim blaming for standing up to their abusers.
@@Goddess_Vox wrong, stop getting your info from netflix episodes and actually do some research.
They murdered their unarmed parents in their home. Repeatedly shot with shotguns that were reloaded. Then the murderers partied and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on themselves. They should serve the rest of their lives in prison. Where are their parent’s second chance???
1. their parents weren’t physically armed with guns at that exact moment however their mother had just bought one and their father had constantly threatened to kill them.
2. only one of the shot guns was reloaded and they just panicked and shot whatever they had aimlessly.
3. they did not party, they acted very distressed and spent around their usual spending habits and used money to cope. like many people do.
4. people who rape their children for over a decade don’t get a second chance. people who defend themselves out of fear do.
You’re really asking why the parents don’t get a second chance after abusing their children for years? Just say that you empathize more with SA than killing since that’s clearly your logic lol
@@deletdelet6532 they should rot in prison
more political BS! just make a decision on this and get it done!😡
Wow! You should learn how the judicial system works! There are other things to concern yourself with if this doesn’t interest you 🙄
Those 2 did this together. If they get out would they would do anything for $$?
Doubtful since they probably don’t want to go back to prison 😂
Doubtful since they probably don’t want to go back to prison 😂
They were never charged with murder for financial gain!!
And for the fame. I think the older brother was very envious of his father’s wealth but Jose was a self made immigrant. They were spoiled grown *ss men, they could’ve left the house. They only decided to kill their parents after they were threatened to be removed from the will and I don’t buy the sexual abuse because it was only brought up after they hired the woman lawyer who had helped someone with that testimony. People are brainwashed by tik tok and narrow mindsets. The way they murdered their parents and had zero to no remorse only when sentenced did they express real emotion. Let them enjoy their jail cell fame and keep society a safer place without them being a threat to kill again, if they are released they will surely be empowered to keep getting away with murder, they are real psychopaths.
R.I.P. Kitty and Jose and for society staining your names. Divine Justice will prevail 🕯️✨
Family members demand.. . That family has no right to - demand.
Aunt Joan bothers me. Apparently she wasn’t even that close to the brothers prior to 1989
@@SharylanneBut their cousins were. And they DID witness some of the abuse and testified about it. Are they lying??
@@Sharylanneaunt Joan was very close.but I think the family attorney should butt out of the legal stuff mark is their attorney not him .the family needs to stay in their lane and if it's moved to the ag then we could be looking at another delay which could mean Donald Trump appointed ag could be in place who wants that
@@Sharylanneshe needs money for the nursing home she'll be living in.
I'm convinced it's all about access to money 💰
@@Leanah30 MONEY.
Just because their rich family wants them released, really?. Are they also going to release other poor felons just because their families want them home? IF YOU DID THE CRIME YOU DO THE TIME
Their family isnt rich, they are your average middle class. Only their father was rich, and his money is long gone, all went on defense
They were sent to prison in the late 80s weren't they? That's 30-40 years ago. Why are you talking like they were walking around freely?
Using your logic, the parents/monsters did the time. They were killed by their victims.
I’m looking at the sympathetic comments for the release of the brothers. I wonder if they’re black people would advocate the same way!
They were adults. The cared more about money then anything. They could have left if the allegations were true. Hell…one was away at college for some time
they were psychologically the mental developmental ages of 8 and 10. just because they HAD money doesn’t mean that is true. they were being fully controlled and mentally manipulated into not being able to just “walk out the door”. Lyle was going to go away for college until he found out what was still happening with his father and little brother. he went back to protect him.
I agree
Money means nothing when you are subjected to a childhood of sexual violence and abuse. You clearly do not understand how childhood abuse impacts on a person.
@ well they didn’t seem lil victims spending all that money 🤷♀️
That's not true my love. It seems that way but it ain't that easy. You are always a kid when you recall your past life as a victim. I speak from experience
I believe they were abused but you are not allowed to murder people.
I wonder if you would have the same point of view if it were your children that were abused
Yeah they are allowed to when they been suffering since the age of 6 to the age of 18 years old they were being molested and raped u people are heartless 💔
People murder for those very same reasons 😕
The psychological evidence found them to be 8 and 9 emotionally, they were unable to make adult decisions and acted on impulse
Why not????Someone abuse you for your whole life and you can't defend yourself against them?
Those brothers were grown when they decided to delete their parents. They could've easily left their supposedly abusive parents and moved on with their life. Abuse is never an excuse to delete someone.
have you dealt with abuse on the same level as this? If so, have you not ever felt such anger you wanted them dead? If the person was rich, would you not be scared they could pay people off?
There was NO evidence of abuse.
It wasn't even their first story, it's just something they came up with when they changed their story.
They did burglarise their rich neighbors though, there IS evil of that.
Their mentally ill rich psychopaths
@@ElleHomekookin Something they just came up with???! They TOLD their cousins when they were KIDS!!
Wtf are you talking about?!
Whenever I see people say stuff like this I can tell they've never been abused. How nice.
@@HudaefCares Yeah, because being abused by your parents seems to be all the rage now. If you had a happy childhood, you're not one of the cool kids.
You would think that they were innocent of their crimes with the way some people react. The defence and media have done a great job of drumming up hysteria. The emotional manipulation is real.
I agree! Crazy how gullible so many seem to be in regards to this case. Murderers with life sentences will literally say ANYTHING to get out.
Did you not hear their dad was a pedophile? Where have you been?
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Yeah, someone is organizing a push to get these guys out. Whatever the circumstances, they are guilty as hell
Edit: it's like with Palestine, people are extremely easily manipulated these days
Nobody kills their parents because they were loving or kind. There was something very dysfunctional in the family. It was awful what they did but I believe the mental toil the parents subjected them to was so over the top and I believe there was abuse. Nobody shots the parents in the face just for the sake of money.
Why do so many people today call for killers to be free? What a sick world we live in
O próprios parentes pedem ,sabem que os sobrinhos foram vítimas das serpentes!
They were sexually assaulted and abused by their parents and they killed em in self defense why shouldn’t they be free?
Ask this to the DA in most liberal states. These guys will be the least of our probs , in the years to come with the illegal migrantsurge.
Becuz they were abused and it's a sick world when people can't see the truth for what it is 🤷🏼♀️
I'm pleased to inform you that not all killers are monsters, and yes my boy things are a lot more nuanced and complicated than you think.
I might’ve had a little sympathy for these two if they would not have killed the mother. The mother was not a threat as much as the father was physically/sexually. She was a threat to them mentally as she was their mother and allowed things to happen, but they should’ve spared her life because she was probably a victim of their father as well.
That’s what points to the money factor here a little bit because they knew if the father was dead the mother was still being in control of the money.
The mother / kitty, knew about the grapes and she even molested Lyle too !!
Their mother was letting it happen that's why she got the worst of the blows from the gun shot 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
If you let someone SA your own kids everyday and you defend them and cover it up, you're even worse than the abuser at that point. I'm so tired of you people defending enablers.
How fickle the public is. After the Netflix show and the documentary, all people were talking about was their release. It seemed like a done deal and things were moving fast. Now it’s like old news again. They have Luigi now to focus on I guess. If all that hype was really because the former LA DA was trying to get good PR for his campaign, that’s sad that he used them in that way.
If they can actually prove they were molested, sure, try them again, but i highly doubt if it did happen that both parents were involved. 9/10 times things like this happens it's usually the male figure. The fact that they killed both parents and only changed their story to molestation after they realized their fake Mafia story wasn't cutting it says their motive was something entirely different.
The trial is actually on RUclips if you’re really curious about what really happened I suggest you watch it! They were brutalized!
Really? I know three survivors of child sexual abuse, all of them women, whose mothers were complicit in that the victims told their mothers and their mothers refused to believe them. In two cases, the mother's immediate, knee jerk reaction was to slap her daughter across the face for telling lies about the abuser (one was the grandfather, one was a stepfather). In the third case, the mother just told her to stop exaggerating.
In all three cases, the abuse ended up when the victims finally got up the courage to tell an adult outside the family who involved law enforcement and the abusers were charged and convicted.
All three cases happened back in the 1970s and 1980s--I think that, if they happened today, the mothers would also have been charged for negligence, at the very least. I hope they would have been, anyway.
@@GrainneDhub-ll6vw not believing someone is different from joining in on the abuse. It's pretty common that spouses are in denial that someone they married is a monster, but that doesn't mean they were complicit in the act nor does it mean they're as bad as the actual perpetrator and deserve the exact punishment what he does. And again, they could have reached out to someone instead like those other victims you mention. claims without proof is hard to believe when a lot of money and changing stories is involved.
@@GetUnwoke There is proof that Lyle Menendez did tell a cousin that there was something horrible happening (probably not the down and dirty details). If you weren't an adult pre-1980s, you may not realise that during that era, it was very common to believe that men and boys could not be sexually assaulted. In fact, the prosecutor in the case at the time said so publicly! That attitude is also what enabled the Catholic Church pedophile scandal, where multiple bishops shuffled pedophile priests from place to place without cutting off their access to victims--the bishops knew darn well that most people would not believe that boys could be sexually abused.
They had evidence they were and those tears were real and real emotions from the Menendez brothers they were molested that's why the mom got shot more times then the dad she did nothing to stop it 💯 💔
Premeditated murder to inherit their parent's wealth. They should have gotten the death penalty IMHO. It's a travesty that they may be let free after that horrendous murder. And the entire abuse defense was completely fake.
Maybe don't comment if you have no idea wtf you're talking about.
It wasn't for money. That was disproven in court and even the grand jury found no evidence of that
Absolutely right.
@@belindaransby2357 another clown just like the other commenter
@Carolyn36-v4eoh boy your on a good one , they MURDERED there parents . They are not getting out nor should they . Sorry but murder is murder get over it.
Well they are actually recordings where Lyle did mention to one of his little fans that he was actually going to act like he had sympathy to convince the jury all this is a CONTRADICTION and no is not base on Netflix
They are murderers they should not get any sympathy. Period period. Period.
So everyone who has an abortion should be in prison??? There are A LOT of murderers on the street my friend
You must be very old
@@GloriaRodriguez-vy1gk And you are deluded. Get your head out of your delusional cloud. They are murderers and liars. They won't be released.
Nah those pedophiles shouldn’t get any justice,period period period.
@@Mint-kj9kw LOL thank you for the laughs your idiotic BS provided
They BELONG in PRISON FOR LIFE!
I highly recommend doing an ounce of research if you want to comment on this issue.
You’re ignorant and obviously know nothing about this case
They were abused 🤦🏼♀️
They were both old enough to stop the abuse at that time. They chose to kill them out of anger. Even planned it. They should never be let out.
All those child stars that were sexually abused are still scared to talk about it. What makes you think children of abuse at the hands of their own parents who were supposed to be protectors, how would they be able to bring such abuse to light let alone get any kind of justice?
Being an adult doesn’t make you capable of stopping abuse, so many adults get abused
The abuse is most likely made up as there is no proof of it except them
Complete ignorance
@@sallyg4544 Being scared doesn't give you permission to kill anyone. Drake Bell didn't murder Brian Peck.
If they are freed, so should everyone else... We should pay for our mistakes.
I remember this case & in my opinion they should never be released. After they brutally murdered their parents they both went on huge spending sprees etc. Even being abused two wrongs dont make a right . Those evil grins on their faces give me the creeps }:‑)}:‑)
You got your information from Netflix! It’s not accurate at all! The trials are actually on RUclips if you’re curious. They were brutalized for years!!
Lmao you got your info from the circus show that ryan murphy put out didn't you 😂
@@GreenWitch1she said "remember(s) the case" which I'm thinking you don't know this but the murders were pre-netflix, dud. I also remember they're spending spree and not so much of this "they're..they're eating the dogs" kinda BS!
They were never charged with murder for financial gain in neither of the 2 trials!!! Stop the false narrative of the money motive!!
@GloriaRodriguez-vy1gk You're the only 1 that mentioned "for financial gain", buddy. They were charged for murdering the parents. You're the 1 who's false, dud. You need better male role models to look up to, cause uh seems as though your destined for some beatings by a man in your future. Look up, eye level not "what's that stuck to the bottom of his shoe" head down looking. Be better.
I doubt they were abused. I think the green looked very good to them.
Murder is still Murder? what am i missing?
Yes murder is murder. But Motive and intention is a huge factor, and why there are degrees in murder. And why self-defence and manslaughter are not described as murder, though the end result is still the same (the death of a person you caused). Nuance is important, and intention is key in handing down the correct sentence. Yes they deserved sentencing but to what degree is the point here. Should they be released at some point? Perhaps. Perhaps not.
Conventional thinking
Common sense and empathy.
@@moanabell3550 If someone murdered your parents, Would you want them to get a second chance? The murdered NEVER get a second chance. Just a thought.?
No it isn’t, self defense is not a murder
They are guilty as hell. The proof is in their actions after they killed their parents.
100%
I don’t think anyone believes that they’re not guilty. We know they did it. They shouldn’t have gotten life in prison for it though. Their father abused them not just physically, but sexually. And the mother knew and did nothing to stop it. I think people have zero remorse for the parents being murdered. They were evil.
@BOOShawny there is only rumor of sexual abuse.
@@jamesberggren9029 i mean, family members testified that they witnessed physical abuse. The odds are with them, that there was also sexual abuse
They were never charged with murder for financial gain. Stop This false narrative!!
Hell, let them out they're letting everybody else out might as well.
Such a hard life they live. They grew old in prison but they feel more comfort than in their parent's place. This is mesed up.
Interesting ABC, owned by Walt Disney, doesn't mention the Netflix documentary. Instead the reporter simply refers to "recent documentaries" because Hulu, Disney Plus, and ABC made no documentary on the Mendez Brothers.
I’m not sure if their father abused them, but as adults, they had the option to leave instead of resorting to violence. Furthermore, it’s puzzling why they would reload the gun and return to shoot their mother (in the face), who was innocent in the matter. This situation raises many questions, and like the esteemed Judge Judy, who wisely stated that she wouldn’t release them, I also find the circumstances difficult to justify.
@@slappygoober6544 she was not innocent she touched them too and knew about it for years that's why she got the shot gun to the face 😏 lyle went back and reloaded it to make her suffer like she made them boys suffer with their monster dad
Are they now not guilty?
Who said that? Nobody. Stop chainging the narrative.
Deserve to spend the rest of their lives behind bars.
This is just outrageous at this point! There's something off with that Nathan guy. I really feel like he's totally lying when he said he's not gonna be political when it comes to the brothers case but he fired two deputies who support them decreasing the balance and fairness of the argument on the case. Seems like he will low-key try to overturn everything George Gascon did even if it's justified cause of political purposes. I really hope the case will be transferred to the CA Attorney General so we can finally end this story with the brothers being released for good.
Commit murder, get caught, found guilty, go to prison....end of story!...Just sayin'!
or you could delete your comment and educate yourself
I totally believe they didn't get abused they r using people get put. However Ffsake plenty of people don't kill their abusers but I don't believe they were.
@@andreawood991No they were not abused. Definitely not.
It's so tragic. The two young men, then, were barely adults. They came from privileged backgrounds. There is no doubt that they shot their parents over and over again with shotguns, but why on earth would they destroy their own lives in such an unimaginable way?
Even before they killed their parents they were headed in a downward spiral to prison eventually because of their numerous burglaries in NJ and CA
Dont lett them out
Netflix is the new judge of the universe. God save the world!
They could have just walked away instead of committing murder. Kids a lot younger just leave
I remember watching that case and thinking what an evil pair of idiots these two were. Keep them locked up
No they should stay locked up I believe they lied . Went on a spending spree . Something does not sit right with this
So because they spent money they were already used to spending before the murders since they were wealthy, they lied about the abuse despite having proof and witnesses?! That makes a lot of sense 😂
There were family members who testified on their behalf. Claiming they believed that their father had abused them in the way they said. Including their cousin who testified that Erik had confided in her years earlier about the abuse, she didn't report it because she did not know what to do. Also, Roy Rosselló publically accused Jose Menendez of the same abuse. Is your only belief that they did this for money because they went on a shopping spree? Something they could've easily done before all of this?
@ZombieSandwiches None of their family members could testify to the sexual abuse they claimed though. I think they're lying about that part.
They were living the good life spending money etc as if nothing ever happened! Not a coping mechanism!
@@JDJoshofficial Diane Vander Molen, their cousin, testified that Erik had told her of it years earlier. An aunt testified that he was a toxic figure, to at least give credibility to the brother's portrayal. And again Roy Rosselló also accused Jose Menendez of the same abuse. More than 50 people testified against Jose, labeling him a toxic and abusive figure. So I ask again, is your only reason to defend him simply the fact they went on a shopping spree?
It's nice to know integrity exists. The right thing is the best thing.
They should rot in prison
It sets a precedent for other cases. Court TV did a profile of Taylor Schabusiness and questioned the experts if she is capable of rehabilitation. They suspect she may have been SA by her father. It could be a ticket out of prison for other ruthless killers.
Many killers will claim they were s/a expecting acquittal. Worked for Casey Anthony.
It’s all case by case. In this case it’s been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
It won’t set precedent in any other case.
@@GreenWitch1 You must be a member of the TikTok generation ~ applying the law to obtain the outcome you want.
Keep them locked up.
For what purpose?
@ to punish them until their last breath.
@@drinny26 they deserve to be free
These monsters should remain in jail for life!😎
Abusers defend abusers
I haven't forgotten how horrible the massacre of their parents was. Maybe mom's older sister has. smdh They should have to serve the full sentence.
Yeah because her sisters hadn’t forgotten the horrible abuse her sister and brother in law pot those kids through
DA needs to actually watch the trial hearings and not just read the trial transcripts. The boys showed emotions at the court hearings. You can't feel emotions through reading words. I hope they watch the trial.
keep them
locked up !!
FREE THEM!!!
No free them
No. They suffered being locked up and reliving their trauma for long enough.
They couldn't leave their parents back then because what if Josè called the police to find them and made up a lie that he would never do bad stuff to his sons.
Kitty would also make up a lie by saying if she knew her sons were being sexually abused by Josè, she would say to him that she wants a divorce from her husband and even get money from Josè. But she knew about the abuse ever since Lyle and Erik were kids before Joan told her and still didn't do *ANYTHING* !
Keep them locked up! They didn't have to murder their parents, they could've left home.
HEY! fun fact! that’s not how it fucking works. if you’re being emotionally manipulated by your parents you can’t just “leave” it’s not as easy as just walking out the front door. their parents controlled EVERYTHING. Lyle actually did manage to get away and was going to go off to Princeton, however Erik was still being completely controlled by his parents who would not pay for him to go to college if he didn’t stay at home.
Leaving home at the age of 5-6 ?? And they even said they would try running away but their parents would always find them
True, their parents gonna need them anyways for the inheritance.
I cannot believe how people are so easily snowed by these two. Sentence should stand. They are killers and should remain in prison.
Avant de raconter n'importe quoi, veuillez vous informer ; les parents étaient des monstres, ils ont poussé leurs enfants jusqu'au bout, les deux frères ont payé largement leur terrible acte ! 🇨🇵
Where the proof they were molested , waiting. Little party animals wanted everything but only got what they deserve . Oh yeah they ain't getting out either sorry.
@@joseluisdzsilva4356se sont des meurtriers. Ils n’ont pas agit en légitime défense ils ont tout prémédité.
It’s been 4 decades 😢😔
They were adults whom should have left home. That fact alone makes them guilty.
I say the same, just leave the abuse, but they would of left penniless, so what was their option exactly what they did. Spoiled entitled rich kids.
@maryannlongley6843 The streets are full of poor families, kids who ran away and got swallowed up by more abuse. Just sayin
That’s what I thought too. If they were adults then they can just leave, but then would not get any money.
Yep
It’s not so easy to leave this kind of situation.And I don’t think it was for money
So we are lining them up with someone More likely to support their release? That's not a conflict of interest? Why don't we stop all this waste of money and polygraph them and call it a day? What do they have to loose if they are already in prison right? So they test clean.. open an investigation. If they don't, turn the page and let them serve out.
Oh let them out already, they have more excuses. These guys are better than half the population!
If they are going to reconsider this case involving white men, they should also do the same for two other groups, Brown and the black community, who are currently facing life sentences without the possibility of parole. Failing to do so would clearly highlight the privilege that is deeply ingrained in our perception of white individuals, further solidifying our existing beliefs about the legal system.
You do realize they are BROWN, right? Their father was born in Cuba. They have the last name Menendez. Your racism is so strong, you can't even see the truth. I suggest you get a grip on that. Racism is a horrific mindset.
They're from a rich family, they are seen as attractive. That's why they have so many fans
If they are so innocent, why didn't family speak up previously?
@@cynthiagallegos8278 Over 50 family members testified that their father was a toxic figure.
They did in the first trial. Not allowed to in the second trial.
They were sentence once it should remain.
Watched their story recently on Dateline. What they did to their parents was horrific. They are where they belong and not out among the general public.
Oh so they're going to kill someone else's parents after release. You are an idiot.
What their parents did to them was horrific
& What the father did to his young children was horrific!
Even gypsy rose was released and gets that much spotlight.
I was so furious for her case. She didn’t need to be in a prison after all she went through. Maybe that boyfriend of hers should, but she needed to be in a mental facility getting help and not some common jail cell as if she was malicious for no justified reason. Her mother was a damn monster.
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She is the one who asked him to off her mother & convinced him it was the only way. 😂 That boyfriend of hers would be in his basement playing D&D games had they never crossed paths.
@@ashb7846 She is the one who asked him to off her mother & convinced him it was the only way. 😂 That boyfriend of hers would be in his basement playing D&D games had they never crossed paths.
TF are you talking about. Gypsy Rose did her time. She got 10 years for 2nd degree murder, with possibility of parole. She did 8 years and then got parole. These guys are sentenced on 1st degree murder and are sentenced to life with no possibility of parole, same as Gypsy Rose's bf. They are never getting out irrespective of what TikTok tells you.
@@ashb7846actually she needs to go back to prison because she was offered counseling help and doesn't want it
long time to practice their story...I aint buying it...their lawyer back then would have ran with this narrative otherwise.
They were so close with Gascon. Hochmna won’t stand for this.
And yet Gascon only used them for publicity rather than doing anything about it. See it is clear they murdered 2 people for greed or hubris or let's say even for abuse but murder they did. They ain't getting out.
@@bigbulk688I think they will.