Harley Benton SC450 (Set Up & Shield)
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
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It has been some time since I did a video on setting up a guitar so while I was doing the shielding video I thought I might as well give you my take on guitar set up process too.
GUITAR SET UP
1. New Strings 4:47
2. Neck Relief 6:29
3. Saddle Radius 10:25
4. Action 10:43
5. Intonation 13:55
Shielding 17:50
Original track 'Second Gear' 26:36
Enjoy!!!!!
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Dude this video is pure gold, I've watched loads of vids on setting up guitars and this one is easily the best
Thanks
This is the best video of this guitar on RUclips. Hands down!
That's a very kind thing to say and it's very much appreciated my friend. :-)
Easy to trust your word on a guitar when you are so knowledgeable and too the point.
Thanks for the vids!!
Thanks buddy I do my best.
great video! my 450 should be arriving tomorrow. I'll be setting it
up and shielding it just as you showed!
Awesome buddy. Enjoy! 👍😎
I just ordered the 550, how are you liking the guitar so far? Hoping I like it
Never understood the intonation, neck relief stuff until now. My guitars need a good going over !!Thanks for the great tutorial. I've got 2 Harley Benton guitars and I love them and I've had Fenders, Ibanez and all sorts. Keep up the good work. 🎸✌️
Thank you. I'm so glad it was helpful to you 👍😎
I've been wanting to learn how to set up and intonate my guitar forever, and this video is perfect timing!
Can't wait to get started.
Thanks for posting this, ill let you know how it comes out!
Like many of you, I have this guitar (mine's a lefty). I also removed the pickguard and it looks so much better than the cheap plastic one that came with it. Though I've filled the holes and color matched the paint touch up. It won't pass a close-up inspection, but they are really hard to see unless you know they're there and are looking for them. Thanks for the fun and informative video, I really enjoyed it!
More than 7 years ago I bought a Harley Benton L-450Plus. It didn't need any adjusting (besides some octave) and I've used it gigging a lot. Changed the pickups for less powerful ones. No need for shielding whatsoever. Cheers.
Cool mate. They are great guitars. So glad that you enjoy yours too my friend.
@@Chinaguitarsceptic Thanks man. Oh and I bought a Chibson too last year!
@@Chinaguitarsceptic Found out today that I wasn't subscribed to your channel.........
More like : "Set Up & Shielding (with Harley Benton SC450)", great vid and you gave good explanations to the steps that I watched.
Thanks buddy. It's just an outline of the steps really. It just occurred to me that I have had to do a set up on every Harley Benton guitar I've bought and lots of folks seem to be buying the off the back of my videos. So I thought I should give an insight and easy explanation and guide for beginners on the steps of set up. 👍😎
Your presentation style and pace are really good for these types of vids. But enough "kissing the brownie" , keep up the good work and have fun.
Thanks buddy - I think :-) What is kissing the brownie? It's not a phrase I am familiar with - I hope it's clean as it doesn't sound it. LOL
Just got the same guitar. Same things wrong, right down to the crack in the finish on the back of the neck ! Video was great , and one of the best setting up videos I have seen. Cheers from NZ :)
Thanks buddy I appreciate that. Sorry you had the same issues.
All sorted easily. Plays well, just learnt a Peter Green track. What else would you christen a lemon drop LP copy with, than a song recorded on the most famous lemon drop ever? :)
Great video showing the basics of setup and shielding.
Amazing video. I've seen many setup videos, for Fender, Gibson style... any! This is the most forward, clear and fucking relaxed setup video ever! Subscribed of course :) Came here for the setup, got the shielding with it
Thank you so much for the kind words and I am delighted that you enjoyed it so much. Got another set up video coming tonight :-)
Thanks I learned a lot, I just ordered the same guitar in left hand.
Thank you I'm really glad you enjoyed it and delighted it helped.
That little screw driver with the secret compartment is cool :)
Excellent video my friend, fitted in nicely with my cosy Saturday night, along with my cold Guinness. Just completed similar work on my 2015 Gibson Les Paul Less+...... only bought it brand new several months ago for £950. Build quality was absolutely attrocious (no wonder they are in trouble) ..... carried out the set up work exactly as you did, and now it sounds awesome!!!
A chilled evening and chilled Guinness sounds like heaven mate. Glad you enjoyed it. Sorry to hear you've had less than great experiences with Gibson qc though.
Not good when I think of what it cost me, but at least I'm improving my luthier skills. Hope all is well with the family .... take care bro!! (Best wishes from "The Grey Strummer" in Wales)......
And to you my friend :-)
I've learn a lot with this video. Thank you, your channel is great!
great demo, am looking forward for the bass demo.
Thanks bud. On its way soon. 👍😎
Hey mate..
I'd like to see more of you with your band playing originals :D
Nice work with your drumming btw...but definitely keep your songs coming!
Really enjoyed this one!!
Good info. About the foil, some hardware stores at least here in north america sell the foil used for fixing duct work that's sticky on the back like the copper kind that also works. I've done it a few times n know for sure it works well enough.
Cool man!!! You have to be careful though as the copper is backed with conductive adhesive and I'm not sure the duct foil is?? :-)
The stuff I have is n so is what I've been able to find. It's easily tested with most any multimeter. On my own I even run a ground to it since it's not touching the grounds otherwise on its own.
are those stock pick ups? How is the build & sound compared to your PRS? Did the foil make a diffrence?
Yes they are stock pickups. The build quality is fair to good but way short of the prs se. You get what you pay for up to a point and then it's the rule of diminishing returns. The shielding worked well and when touching any grounded metal parts the guitar is now silent. Without shielded wires inside its the best that can be achieved.
I’m seriously thinking of buying a Harley Benton SC 550 after watching all these videos about them. They certainly appear to have a level of quality control which the Chibsons just didn’t have. I purchased one of those via Ali Express a couple of years back but ended up giving it to my buddy’s son as I was never satisfied with it.
They represent much better value mate however they do need a set up. Hopefully this video will help folks in that respect. 👍😎
They must be popular as the SC-550 Tobacco sunburst is on backorder here in the states until the middle of June.
Yes be careful when things are popular all companies tend to rush. I hope HB won't!! Let me know if anyone has issues and I will do a video to let others know :-)
On the Crimson Guitars channel tutorial on shielding Ben Crowe advises that when using multiple pieces of sticky foil you should fold over the edge of the overlapping piece as the glue acts as an insulator and stops continuity.
Some foil tape has particles of metal in the adhesive, so that there is conductivity across it. It's a lot less fiddly to apply. If your tape has non-conductive adhesive and is copper, then you can use a blob of solder to ensure connectivity between strips of tape. If you don't want to make a bunch of solder blobs, you can use a sharp tool to score the overlapped tape to jam together the layers through the adhesive. Some people claim there is no need to have DC connectivity across the foil layers, but I prefer my Faraday cages to work well at audio frequency, so I use copper tape with conductive adhesive. Carbon impregnated tape is a good solution too, but it requires several layers and is messy unless you seal it with another layer of clear or colored paint. This takes a lot of time between layers for drying.
Never seen a truss rod adjusted like that. Looks like a really efficient and effective method. Do you have any specific video which adds more detail about exactly how you do that? Gonna go and search for that...if you haven't done that video then it would be a really interesting one to do. Thanks and congrats for your great channel.
Thank you I'm glad you like my method. I have included it in many videos. Search any set up video bro. I also did one for Mike Bradley. 👍😊
I bought the harley benton sc custom in lemon flame and noticed there is some noise...so after watching you do your 450 i decided to do mine...opened it up and the cavities are painted black with the aluminum on the covers already..
That's strange then. Have you got a multimeter? If so check the earth integrity to find where the problem is. However if the shielding is fine it's likely the wires picking up the noise. They are not shielded. Let me know how you get on buddy.
i have a meter but what am i looking for?..continuity from ground to what?.or not connection from ground to?..my guess is its the wiring are picking up some although if i face a different direction instead of facing and adjusting the amp it goes away..orif i use the boss ns-2 noise suppressor its gone
Simply you need to see if the shielding is continuous - so put one end of a meter measuring resistance say 20Kohms on the ground wire of your guitar (the ring not tip connection) and then check lots of points on the shielding. If it is showing 0 [zero] or tiny levels of resistance then you are good mate. If it's high or off the scale then its not all connected and needs to be joined with solder or contact surfaces joined somehow.
this is what i found so far,i have connection from earth at all 3 pots and their cavity, including both pickups and their shielded cavities, however,no connection to the pickup selector shielded cavity. and i get hum when either neck or bridge pickup is selected...but none when both are selected...i tried reversing polarity on the neck pup but that didnt help...facing in different directions changes the hum from bad to slightly less....if i engage my Boss Noise Suppressor NS-2 i get quiet all the time...i also just found that if my Boss Compressor CS-3 is off its quiet all the time..so it might be in that unit
Thanks for the tip on how to check the neck relief! My CST-24 just got it done, did it for the first time + the normal settings, now it plays and sustains much better!
So pleased to be able to help mate. I hope you enjoy playing it more as a result 👍😎
Could you perhaps do a video on the setup of your CST-24T, Specially the intonation part would be interesting for many, since it has the fixed bridge with only the possibility to raise the G & B strings.. Its quiet challenging to intonate the PRS style Bridges!
I can but mine has a floating trem. I am able to adjust and have on all 6 saddles. Happy to do a video if you want brother?
Oh sorry, i forgot that you have the trem version!! mine is the old Black CST-24 with fixed bridge and Wilkinson pups!
Set of feeler gauges - ???? - (0.010 - 0.012") measured at the 8th - capo on the first & fretting the 17th, and an action gauge to get the action - 12th fret - you prefer. Enables you to make repeatable/identical adjustments in the future on this and other guitars.
£8 - £10 the lot, and well worth the investment.
Good advice friend and that's the proper way to do it consistently. However I wanted to keep it simple for anyone to do with tools they probably have laying around already. This is just a quick basic steps of setup.
I actually never go as far as gauges because I like my action quite high and it varies from guitar to guitar based on feel. 👍😎
Chinaguitarsceptic No, of course, I see your reasoning (it was not my intention to criticise, I think your vids are excellent BTW), it's just that, when you're dealing in small increments of a thousandth of an inch, one persons perception of, especially the fairly critical, relief could be 'light years' away from another.
Keep up the good work.
Yes I totally agree buddy and please don't think I was being precious or offended. I completely agree with what you're saying :-)
Saddle radius can also be a thing of personal preferance; I personally have the 5th and 6th strings almost the same hight as the 4th, perhaps a touch lower, because I have an EXTREMELY heavy picking hand when it comes to riffing (no really; I hit the strings like they've been saying bad things about my mother) and I like to give the string a little more room to vibrate from those extremely heavy pick strokes considering I like my action fairly low.
Good call buddy :-)
Awesome guitar and video ,keep up the good work Buddy
Thanks mate 👍😎
Great video! Shielding that 3-way switch cavity is a real pain in the butt! I need to hire you next time to do shielding for me as you work twice as fast as I do! ;-) LOL! That HB is a very nice looking and sounding guitar. Have a great weekend!
Lol. Yeah I work at lightening speed don't I!!! Haha! Have a great weekend too bro 👍😎
What a great video, I just learned a lot! Thanks for sharing!
That's my pleasure I'm really glad that you enjoyed it and it helped.
Great video on guitar set up! An advanced set up option would be to do a fret level on the guitar...
Cheers bud it's lovely to see the positive feedback from this basic tutorial. So glad it's helped people. 👍😎
As someone who fettles guitars this, is a very good video.😎
If I can add some value, for a lot of players whom, play a lot of cowboy chords one of THE biggest improvements to be made is, setting nut height, makes the guitar soooooo much easier to play and, helps it lessen playing sharp when fretted down at the busy end. That's getting beyond the scope of this video though 👍
Thank you
Perfectly explained! Thank you for that video!
Thank you 😊👍🙏
Waiting on my first HB now. I ordered the SC 450 GT
Cool good luck buddy. I hope you get a good one.
Great Video it really helped out. I just purchased a Harley CS612 12 string would you use the same setup for a 12 string
The set up steps are always the same as far as I'm aware my friend. 👍😎
Very informative thanks for the video
Good job, China!
Thanks buddy 👍😎
Great video very educational
Thank you 👍😎
Hello, my friend. Great video by the way. I have to say one thing I disagree with you is the steps. When I do any shielding on a guitar I always make that the first step. then do a complete setup. Reason being, once you remove the strings for the shielding you pretty much have to do a set up all over again. Just a thought for you to ponder. As always i enjoy your videos. rock on my friend.
Yes totally and as I said in the video I did the shielding filming a few days before the set up part of the video, so I totally agree with you. Sorry if the shielding flash back was confusing :-)
Great video, well explained.
Thank you very much my friend.
Great video, very informative....keep up the good work! Cheers!
Cheers buddy :-)
I had to shield my Kramer guitar in order to fix a feedback issue when I used it with Rocksmith. The copper tape roll I got off eBay had enough I ended up shielding all my electric guitars.
Feedback is usually a microphonic (Unpotted) pickup issue, if its physical, or just due to too much gain in close proximity to a speaker, but if it worked good for you dude.
Love the Harley Benton reviews, would love to get your opinion on their copy of the Taylor GS Mini acoustic travel guitar.
I'll have a look at one if possible 👍😎
What do they call it?
Harley Benton GS-Travel Mahogany
On order, just for you. Expect a review soon! :-)
The fretboard radius should never change so I would think it's alright to set an adjustable saddle radius first before strings are on using radius gauges. If the neck has a compound radius, do you set the saddle radius to the larger radius?
It's much easier to set it using the strings as a guide.
Thank You for what you do for us.
I'm a selfmade guitarist and only watching your videos I had learn how is possible to make a correct set up for my guitars.
Especially the intonation.. damn if is difficult for who don't learn music with a teacher or school from the childood...
And only with your help (with the videos) I was able to do a right shielding thath make y 4 electric guitars protected by interferences from outside.
And Is your responsability (LOL) If I choose the better two guitars in my collection: The Harley Benton SC 450 LD, and the HB CST 24 T Emerald Flame.
Make you remeber something this 2 models???
This are great guitar that can fight against more expansive models of Big E and big S of Big G and Big F costing minus than 1/4 of the price.
Very very big value for the price.
Them sound immediatly good, but with a litte implementation they became very beatiful and satisfactory guitars..
Sorry for my english I am from Italy, from the beatiful Chiantishire..
Greetings and admiration.
Giò.
Thank you brother I'm so glad you found it useful. Take care my Italian friend 😊👍
@@Chinaguitarsceptic
And I forgot to say you're a great musicians and a multi instrumentalist..
You're a gifted person that with humility divided his the Knowledge with people that for different reason (family, work, economic reasons ) don't have the possibility to pay lessons, lutists or buy guitars like Gibson, PRS or Fender.
Thanks a lot for the time yhat you dedicate to Us...
I have a question on these guitars, in the US will we have the same issues with customs that we do with chibsons?
I've been ur subscriber so long, but never post a comment. I can see U have make a great content nowadays , great work as always. Keep it up
And also i really love u play an original song at the end of the video.
Thank you for this it is very much appreciated and why I keep doing this. I have the best subscribers on RUclips! 👍😎
Next one if for you then brother :-)
Chinaguitarsceptic Terima Kasih (thank you) really appreciate it
i bought a teli after watching your vid ... now im buying a vintage 450 plus :'D
some great info in this video mang! cheers!
Cheers brother I share what I've learned like you do. Love your videos too. 👍😎
And on this episode of 2nd gear ..... LOL great video as always bud !! :)
Hahaha!! Cheers Terry. Best to you mate 👍
Very useful CGS. Now here’s an idea for starting a debate - best live solo! I’ll start you off with Fear by Ritchie Kotzen. Search Ritchie Kotzen live and it’s 22:30 in.... having said that the entire show is enough to seriously depress you as a guitar player , never mind his singing! Keep on Rocking!
Great video. What about the nut though?
Cheers mate. Plastic nut but properly cut so it works fine. 👍😎
I'm hopefully going to be buying a harley Benton guitar very soon. Am I right in thinking that they can only shipped from thomann in Germany to UK ? If so would I have to pay any import duty/ tax ? Thanks in advance
If you're in the UK the price includes everything. Not sure after brexit tho!
@@Chinaguitarsceptic thanks for the reply.
i modded the wiring..didnt care for the split coil on both pups on my sc custom so i put a axtec rolling mill pup at the neck. reverse the position so the adj screws towards the bridge..then wired the push pull pot to kick it in and out of phase now its very nice indeed..
Great Video.. Three Thumbs.. For Four Thumbs you need to SOLDER all the Copper Seams.. THEN... Solder the Copper foil along with a Wire to an EARTH /COMMON point.. (the OUTPUT JACK) Then "METER" to make sure there is NO EARTH POTENTIAL that includes the BRIDGE and STRINGS that includes NO Resistance right to the Tuning Pegs.. Intermittent Ground Loops do happen.. Hey.. Post a link to where that Copper Sheet can be ordered..
Very useful and informative video. 6:16 You forgot to mention how key it is to keep the right proportion between that glass of something-something and the rest of the ingredients, as this may be crucial to the success of the process...Too much and the guitar may end up intonated and sounding like a martian ukelele, only you won't notice until you've recovered from the hangover...
I have an issue with your explanation of intonation. According to you the goal is to set each saddle location so the distance from the saddle to the 12th fret is the same as the distance from the nut to the 12th fret. The nut is straight across so the distance from the nut to the 12th fret is the same for every string. Although your bridge is at an angle, based on your goal, all the saddles should be the same distance from the 12th fret. However, I've seen many guitars where the first three saddles and the last three saddles are staggered. As a result saddle high E and saddle D are the same distance from the 12th fret, saddle B and saddle A are the same distance from the 12th fret, and saddle G and saddle low E are the same distance from the 12th fret. Obviously all three distances cannot be the same distance as the distance from the nut to the 12th fret, yet people claim the intonation is pretty close. I've also seen classical / acoustic guitars with a one piece saddle at an angle; again the distance from the saddle to the 12th fret cannot be the same at every string.
It's the harmonic at the 12th fret that you tune to and then set the intonation to. If I confused that with my explanation then sorry dude. It's how I've always set the intonation and it works.
Fretboard is made from rosewood?
Love the videos, thought you were going to re-brand the channel to get rid of the "China Guitar Sceptic" name?
Thanks bro. Yes I was considering a change of name but then it's just a name and my old content would not have been so clear. Believe it or not many people still think I'm promoting the fake junk rather than being critical. So I decided that changing the name would do more harm than good for now. Those of you who support me know I've totally changed direction anyway. What do you think mate? 👍😎
I have to agree with Bell. A 're-brand' is the only way to go. PixxyLixxx did it and so should you.
I think your channel should break away from the 'China guitar' thing which is kind of over anyway and concentrate more on the great content you are now producing. I think it would help the channel achieve greater popularity.
Stuff like the partocaster series and the home studio series were excellent. The Harley Benton guitars are awesome as well.
By the way your guitar playing has come on leaps and bounds. That last tune on this video had some sick playing.
I think for the development of the channel changing the name is the positive way forward. It will stop a lot of the grief you get and help springboard the channel onto greater heights. I personally think the CGS name alienates a lot of viewers of the channel. Your channel is so much more than fake Chinese guitars.
Thanks SM, I really appreciate the kind comments and support bro. I will have another think and maybe put it over to you guys to all vote on... :-)
Yes I agree but then will I have to take down the old videos? I guess not as they are branded China Guitar Sceptic. Perhaps we should have a vote as I do have a new name and the web domain to go with it. So maybe the time is due!??
Those are the noisiest humbuckers I have ever heard. Perhaps they were wired or built incorrectly? One coil should be should be reverse wound with a reverse polarity magnet, and connected in series with the other coil. The reversed magnetic field in the reversed polarity coil makes the magnetically induced current additive to the other coil, while making stray electric fields subtractive.
Sorry - what was that ? I can't hear you over the pickups!
Did she came without the pickguard? Or you removed it?
I removed it as I don't like them 🙄👍🙏
@@Chinaguitarsceptic yes i don't like it either, problem is the holes
Re your channel name change pondering, what about 'Milton Guitars 'n Gear' 😃
I'd like to keep the same initials CGS really as lots of people call me just that.
Супер! Спасибо! :-)
I found the set tutorial excellent help,thank you! But..... if the BBC was to change the theme tune,that’s a crime!!! Excellent tune though mate!
Cheers my friend :-) Nah I don't think Auntie Beeb will ever change that iconic theme tune and nor should they. I am just parodying it following the comments from last time. I think it's original enough to just be a tip of the hat though :-)
Here's a clip on Epiphone Les Paul Tribute Plus with Gibson Classic '57 pickups. Can any of you hear any remarkable difference? ruclips.net/video/uxAsuqI6omo/видео.html
That's the same work bench they set up those chibsons on...lol...
Can you sell the benton to me please sir hahahahahaha....
Make me an offer 😉👍
@@Chinaguitarsceptic well sir how much do you want for it?