LIVE: Karen Read Trial | DAY 14 AFTERNOON
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Did Karen Read murder her boyfriend, Boston Police officer John O'Keefe, or is she the victim of a conspiracy to frame her for his death by the Canton Police Department in Massachusetts? This is the afternoon session of Day 14 of her trial.
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4:48 State’s Witness No. 39 - Jennifer McCabe - Direct (Cont'd.)
CONTEXT:
On the morning of January 29, 2022, John O'Keefe's body was found on a snowy lawn in front of the home of fellow police officer Brian Albert. The night before, he had gone to a bar with his girlfriend, Karen Read, as well as some friends and acquaintances, including Brian. Not long after, Karen was charged with John's murder, but her defense alleges that she is being framed by the group of people who met up at Brian's home after the bar closed. Trial begins Tuesday, April 16, 2024 with jury selection.
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So they told Karen that she was "crazy" and "hysterical' and needed to "shut up". ... She seemed to be the only person that cared.
This case is so bizarre.
It feels like the prosecutor is the defense and the defense is the prosecutor.
This is so true!
The prosecution WHOLE case is defending Colin - they've spaced on going after KR.
Truee this case feels like “guilty until proven innocent” which is unfortunately the very opposite of what our justice system is supposed to be
because there's so much evidence of a cover-up. Like the missing shoe, missing hat and such... like those things wouldn't be missing if Karen had hit him with a car. The Alberts had to get rid of those items because they were probably chewed up by the dog. There's just so much evidence of a cover-up it's crazy this ever went to trial.
Jen McCabe said they were inspecting the tail lights when they arrived at John's house to see whether he was there. The video doesn't show that AT ALL
Basement is definitely part of the house
A cellar might be considered as being separate, but a basement? For sure part of the house.
I was listening while working but the texts about" where are you" made me think he was in the house but couldn't get to his phone. They all seem like a pack of rabid dogs who could gang up on someone while playing, but take it too far.
She started screaming and asking if he could be at certain people's houses. If she did it wouldn't she be aware?
I feel like they seem so mean in their demeanor when recalling how distraught KR was that morning. They seem annoyed that she’s hysterical, realizing something terrible has likely happened and after finding John. If I were a juror I would find that off putting and strange of the witnesses that were there that day. Am I the only one?
No. There is a coldness that is the product of character and quite likely a cover up. Not a good look.
Drunk/hysterical people freak me out too but it doesn’t last and I’d be ashamed if it was on camera at a death scene.
Something about the “screaming ‘JEN! JEN! JEN!’”
Has bothered me every time. It doesn’t sound like something that would really happen, and furthermore, it sounds the same way when both of them described it (up until the one where she blew your eardrums out).
When my Dad died of a heart attack right after heart surgery, my Mom started screaming hysterically for 20 minutes .
Yes and where is the evidence of that happening in John’s Ring videos? They have sound. She said Karen was hysterical screaming outside of john’s house and took her to the back of her car to look at the tail light…why don’t we see that in the videos?
@@MyMomo17 sorry for your loss.
Screaming hysterically is completely understandable. It’s more the way that they said it happened that makes me question it. Usually people remember stuff like that differently, not all the same way.
@@nateward7120 Thank you, I was 12 then.
@@nateward7120 My sister and I have identical memories of it because we talked about it often while growing up. But yes when several people witness an event they often have slightly different memories of what occurred but if they talk about it over time their memory can align with each other's.
This case is taking FOREVER
Jen mccabe story doesn't even make sense at all...I pray the jury sees that
"I possibly could have gotten up to use the bathroom.. I do that almost every night" .. she contradicts herself here in the same sentence. She is clearly lying because she knows they will ask about all her steps and movement from her iwatch data.
Always appreciate the energy and clarity you provide on the day to day.
I grew up 30 minutes from here. A basement is part of your house, and you are legally required to have two entrances/exits to the basement (one from the house, usually the second is a side door or bulk head)
Great recap! Thank you! It was nice to see you in EDB’s chat today! I think you and little Bytes need a day of rest! As much as I love watching/listening to you, you should take Monday off and relax!
Yes, Alyte, Jen's story has changed, but no spoilers.
JM is the fixer; she’s not convincing at all.
She keeps sucking in spit or smacking her tongue before every answer, like she has peanut butter on the roof of her mouth. The glaring eyes as her norm, scare me.
she recalls incredibly fine details and then when asked if the dog Chloe was home/in the Albert's bedroom of the house she just burst into it at 6AM in the morning she can't recall that. How could you not recall that?? The dog would be up and barking loudly. I think they must have moved the dog somewhere overnight.
I can’t wait for cross. Would loooove to hear the other statements she made to Proctor and Bukkake, as well as past testimony from the grand jury
38:20 The mouth smacking in this trial is killing me.
Thank you!
Aleta - thank you for covering the full trial! Though I have to work during the day, I got invested in this case, and love your streams, and then watching LYK for the summary. I then check in with EDB, lol 😂. Even watching three lawyers cover it, I’m still confused with what happened!
I do the exact same and also check Linda and Gigi for the Daybell Cult trial
So sad she Karen called this person a friend😢. I wouldn’t consider her a friend if she treated her this way. No empathy at all. Karen also has some major health issues that play a huge role in her responses. So sad 😭
Wait for cross-examination. You might change your mind. Jen seems like she’s lying, in my opinion…but I’ll wait for cross.
If you look at the pictures after John was taken in ambulance, you will see snow was packed underneath him, not grass. A few leaves sticking up is it. If snow was just starting to lay at 130am, John was placed outside later.
I find it odd that she refers to the defendant as Miss Read, Karen and the defendant depending on what she is saying.
Of course he's covered in snow everything is covered in snow the weather reported 6 inches fell after midnight.
6 inches from what time though. “After midnight” meaning 12am to….4am? Or the whole next morning into the afternoon.
@@basicallyno1722 Can you not see the video of everyone leaving the bar at midnight no snow on ground by 5 am it was over 6 inches deep when the fire truck is transporting him. I live where it snows that was a blizzard tons of snow and blustery wind.
At 12:15 the snow had just begun to stick if you see the weather reported the next day it was a historic blizzard dumping 26 inches of snow overnight all around Boston and surrounding towns. By 5 am there's at least 6 to 12 inches in the yard as evidenced by amount of snow on top of parked cars and roofs as well as yards and if a snow plow had to plow at two thirty am there had to be lots of snow to require a plowing. They just use salt when not enough depth of snow to plow.
I can't. 1st, the road looks plowed (thanks Lucky) 2nd, that's no white out. I can see in front of the car& U can make out Karen's two-tone hair. 3rd, He shows ALL this police footage, for what? 4th, U took her shoes of in an emergency, but nail Karen for not. Who cares? 5th, SHUT UP. Really? Nice. 6th, the police told her to go inside. It could've been a bloody mess. 7th, were u calm OR did u burst thru the bedroom door? 8th you remember Saraf's name, but not what CHLOE did when u "burst" thru the door? 8th, your hands freezing, you mention having MS, trying to type. This person never heard of voice record? 9th, did she say what Brain said, OR what Nicole said? 10th What's w/ the "raining" video? Who cares. 11th, U didn't have your MS friend number.12th, the defense just lets them dig and dig. Too much info, w/ so many people involved. not good.12th Who cares about Bella's house, Lally. I feel like an owl. Whooo cares. Whooo cares. So much wrong. But, yes, the apple watch is asked about for a reason. (Yay Lally)
Excellent.
The basement is in the house for those of us who have them. Many basements are finished and considered rooms.
Ok but Jen said that when they got to John's house that KR showed her and Carrie Roberts her cracked taillight before going inside the house at 45:22. The video Lally displays at 58:49 shows the 3 of them getting out of the car and going straight inside. There's clearly no way that Karen could have pointed out the crack like Jen claims, it legitimately does not happen on the CW's (prosecution's) video evidence.
I felt like she was deliberately embellishing the story to make it worse for KR. There is obvious proof it didn't happen the way Jen claims.... I feel like she did the same thing with a lot of her testimony. It clearly does not add up, but she says it with ZERO hesitation and seems adamant about things on pretty much all her "testimony" (came across as pushing her well-rehearsed narrative to me imo)
Also around 1:40:00 -ish, Jen says that Officer Lank was at the bottom of the stairs when they went to walk down. So he clearly let himself in.... Lally was asking Nicole questions trying to make it seem like Nicole opened the door to let Lank inside. These small details are driving me nuts with everything else we already know 🤦♀️
Will add it’s weird to me that supposedly no first responders had sirens on. Maybe different in different states, but in CA they will have sirens no matter what time of day/night I think…
Remember it's early Saturday morning it's dark it's snowing there's no one on the road no need for Sirens just lights
No we won’t always have sirens, especially when there’s no need to secure traffic and no cars in the road. It actually causes more alarm and interferes with patient care when there’s no reason to have it on. We don’t even use the sirens during most priority 2 calls…the only reason we would is when we’ve got to get to a location quickly and there’s traffic issue. Sometimes we’ll turn off the siren and turn it on when approaching red lights. Having your sirens blaring can sometimes cause more chaos in drivers and they’ll do all sorts of weird things on the road. That’s why we just use them during serious calls and during transport of a patient in life-threatening conditions.
If nothing else, Lallys long direct examination gives us a great baseline of people’s behavior.
But is that useful? Their baseline will change with every topic for which they were under public scrutiny in the last 2.5years. And armchair behavioral analysts will claim a certain change shows a lie. But there will be many topics that lead to a stress response here, where the witness doesnt lie.
A baseline is in a natural state of a person. Being on TV for the first time in a stressful situation while you know thousands of people are judging you right now is not a baseline. Your body language will change when you get more comfortable or when you remember again in what kind of situation you are in. Learning a word and then going into dunning-krüger is bad.
@@SonjaHamburg yes, I agree with you on some of that, but it was other tidbits (non public scrutiny items) that caught my attention. Like the Ring camera story about John. Also, how she dramatized some moments. It came across to me as how one would tell a story at a party. (But not how one would tell a murder story of their friend). Odd.
Looking forward to see what cross reveals.
@@soli3863 I disagree. It’s still a baseline.
I worked in behavioral health for 10 years and have created successful behavioral modification programs along with the psychologists to help patients.
This seems unlikely to me. I can’t believe her. There are things we have seen on video that don’t match what Jen is relating. There are floods of details that are fillers. How could she forget all the yelling in the car and not recall it until later? How was Brian Albert necessary for her second interview?
I’m getting the feeling that Colin beat him up while in a drunken rage while an adult family member restrained him. You don’t get two black eyes and all the other injuries he had getting bumped by a car turning around. I just hope this jury does not turn a blind eye in fear they might be next.
I’m also confused as to why there’s no trauma to the legs and lower body (that we haven’t heard about). John was 6 feet tall…the tail light isn’t near his head, so she must’ve hit the lower body first, right?
Idk about Colin beating him up. The kid was what like 17? And he beats a grown 6ft man to death? All these people are covering for Colin? Im still not really sure what happened. But didnt the medical experts say that his eyes swoll shut because of the head trauma?
Is it standard for court cases to instruct jury to perceive text as more likely than not
Yes, it’s common in any case to instruct the jury that they first need to determine (essentially) whether they think the texts are real.
I have a lot of questions about Jen's testimony. KR kept screaming "Jen, Jen" but also imparted a bunch of information to you? Which was it and in what order? Are you really testifying that she just would randomly start screaming your name in between sentences? Didn't that suggest to you that perhaps this woman needed medical attention? Also, didn't you say that JOK's niece was the one who called but that Jen was there and took the phone? Does that mean niece was there during the search? She didn't seem to be mentioned. If KR had mentioned she would be coming to Jen's house, why did she have to stand outside the house screaming "Jen"? Perhaps she no longer had niece's phone and was wondering why tf you went back to bed instead of looking out for her? You go on and on about how irrationally she's asking and instead of deciding there's a serious problem here, you decide to judge her for not taking her shoes off in John's house? Also wouldn't KR have just come from John's house since KR was with the niece? I assume niece wasn't staying at KR's house, right? Even if you thought KR was irrational, did you also think niece wasn't in a state of mind to think John might just be in a different room in the same house? You opted to drive to his house and check all the rooms? Why?
This is barely the tip of the iceberg too. The snow on John's body was apparently wiped off after KR tried applying skin to skin. They said to try mouth to mouth despite him gurgling up blood... I'm not saying it's all lies, obviously everyone seems to be corroborating that KR was yelling and acting irrationally that morning, but there seems to be serious inconsistencies in both the narrative as well as Jen's interpretation of events. She goes on and on and on about all the screaming and craziness but then takes her at face value when she supposedly hears "I hit him". This is the same woman who just had blood from her dead boyfriend fall on her hands and she asked if she was having her period. Obviously completely out of her mind, if this testimony is to be believed.
1:30:00 in and if blood is gushing out if his mouth when they tried to do CPR, wouldn't he need to have been hit REALLY aggressively by her suv - fast speed, hard - for there to be internal bleeding? Yet the only notable damage is on his arm and head. This whole case is so damn 🐟
First, I totally agree the case feels weird. Second, in regard to the blood, you don't need internal bleeding for that scenario. I don't know what the medical professionals will say, but significant head trauma, which John O'Keefe clearly had, in particular a 2-inch crack on the back of his skull, can result in bleeding from the nose (even without the nose itself having trauma). Blood coming out of John's nose was reported by multiple witnesses at this point. Since he was lying on his back for some time in the snow, the blood would accumulate in his throat/mouth by draining from his nose (since it's all connected) and then come out of his mouth and throat when the chest compressions started. Thus, blood comes out of the mouth without internal bleeding. I also believe I read that his lungs were clear; which means the blood wasn't from there. I know there was internal organ damage from the hypothermia (e.g. pancreas), but I don't think that would cause the blood to come out of his mouth - though, I'm not certain.
Interestingly, hypothermia below a certain temp (maybe 33 degrees C = 91 degrees F) can decrease the ability of the body to coagulate blood. The blood viscosity does increase, meaning it might "gum up" some, but it generally won't form actual clots to stop the bleeding as effectively as usual. Vomiting (found in his mouth and on his clothes) and raccoon eyes (the "black eyes" people keep mentioning) are also consistent with head trauma.
(Caveat: I'm a biologist but not a medical professional; so, I can find and understand technical medical information, but I have no practical or in-depth expertise.) From what I can tell, head trauma seems to account for most of the medical findings. Head trauma could happen from an auto-pedestrian collision, a fight, or even an accidental fall. I hope someone testifies about the fracture type/pattern since that can give information.
The abrasions on John's arm are an interesting feature that doesn't directly match head trauma. I'd want to see the ultrastructure and tissue samples of the wounds to understand their shape, depth, and tissue disturbance pattern in more detail. I suspect experts on both sides will discuss that.
I understand it’s a safe neighborhood probably but it’s weird to me a cops front door wouldn’t be locked and no cameras… especially an officer with 30 years on the force. Also don’t get… although some dogs are pretty non-caring about intruders… if the German shepherd was in their bedroom, known to be bad with people/dogsI think dog would freak out when someone runs in to the room out of nowhere…
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What would be the legal reason that the judge initially didn't want to allow one of the bubbles in the text exchange - the one where it said "Tell them the guy never came into the house"? She was willing to allow all the other comments.
I think because it was from a hidden group chat and had to be extracted
Judge: “Counsel, why don’t you show her another picture because this one isn’t working”. Soooo, is she the commonwealth’s co-counsel??? It’s so weird to me how she interjects when she feels like it. I’m not fluent in all the duties of a judge but I know that they’re supposed to be unbiased, and maintain decorum and decency. Along with a host of things like jury instructions and rulings on motions and objections. What I didn’t think a role was to interject different ways for either lawyers to lawyer. Like having one not say “of course”, but allowing the other to say “what if anything”, the example above and when defense had a picture up and without knowing for sure it wasn’t needed still for testimony, instructed to take it down and turn up the lights. I feel like she’s the type who’s overturned a lot.
Also, it’s interesting that she made the comment that John doesn’t like people wearing shoes in the house considering he was found with only one shoe. Another strange coincidence
Plus just about denying defense to come up to side bar and getting really snippy about it. Looked absolutely horrible and biased, I was surprised she actually let them come up based on the initial response and reaction!
Why would they google the hypothermia thing at 6am?
Karen was hysterical, maybe she thought he may live?
I thought it’s been said Jenn googled it at 2am, but I never saw the testimony.
@@LakeGirl334 maybe, but how would they know how long he had been out there? Especially Karen, how would Karen know?
@@jjbreck2628 I imagine it’ll come up in cross
@@bretberry8911Because she knows she hit him but was in denial the first stage of grief.
My sister told me about a story Jen told about her and John having lunch and shopping?! I missed that, is that something that would make Matt mad!?
I think the mccabes were involved in the cover up but probably not in the dead. There is a K9 unit cop on youtube who has seen many many hundreds of bites of german shepards and he says Johns arm are clearly dog bites. He also demonstrates with fake silicone arms from his training. It looks exactly like John's arm. Cuts, not puncture wounds because german sheperds bite and pull.
Also, how would Karen have driven to the Albert’s house if she didn’t know where the Albert’s house was if she left John at the bar? But two people testified they saw a woman which could have been Karen in her suv outside the house.
John needed directions to get to the Albert’s house. Jen spoke to John giving him directions as to where the Albert’s house was. He didn’t know where the Albert’s house was. And Karen only recalls leaving John at The Waterfall according to Jen’s testimony. Karen wouldn’t want to go to Fairview and be adamant about going to look there if in her mind she left John at the bar. Jen testified to this that she had to inform Karen she saw them outside the Albert’s home. Karen wouldn’t even know the street name “Fairview” if she didn’t remember going there. Why would she state over and over to Jen that she needed to go to Fairview?
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It is interesting how different KRs facial expression is during this witness vs the others. Normally she has raised eyebrows and compressed lips, but for "JEN"s testimony, she is very still, no expression. Body language of someone who knows danger is present and not bringing attention to oneself. I agree, it does sound like she was in shock.
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Electronic communications more likely than not is that standard law?
Its such a safe place, people leave their doors open.
If she dropped him at that house, why wasn’t she questioning the people that were at the house what happened--what time did he leave--did he leave on foot?
That's a good point. Like wouldn't she be grilling Jen and Matt, since she knew John texted Jen. KR might have even seen Jen's texts to John if car was still there cuz I know my Bluetooth connects to my car in the driveway if I turn it on when I'm in the house, usually confuses me why I can't hear through my ear buds anymore. So will be interested if prosecution ever makes it clearer what time they think KR hit John.
But reversely, KR told Jen (according to Jen) that she left him at waterfall, so she's either not remembering the night and where he was or pretending she doesn't.
I'm sure he's gota keep bringing up John's exs'
I'm looking closely at Jen's texts to John and her first few strike me as strange because it is "Here!?" Like wow, maybe a slip instead of two question marks, so i might give her that, then "Pulll behind me" a few mins later. Then "Hello" no punctuation 9 mins later. Why no question mark? Makes me think of when i shot my first deer and immediately texted my spouse who was on the other side of the woods, the adrenaline made my hands shake so much i was mistyping and weird punctuation. It could be nothing but seeing her other texts later are not like that, why the slipping or missing punctuation or extra letters? Ok now I'm remembering she has MS, so maybe that's why? But other times everything looks fine. Hard for me not to think of shaking hands.
Then the first "hello" (no question mark), "where are u" comes 2 mins later, "hello" 3 mins after that. Seems fairly insistent if ur waiting in a house not going out to check. I feel like I'd text hello? Then did you decide not to come in? Then go out and look for the car and if gone probably leave it at that. I text my spouse where are you? If he's 20 mins late getting home and don't keep texting, I'll call if i need something immediately. To me it sounds like a worried person.
But these texts aren't enough to show Alberts or Mcabes part of something, but just the things I'm noticing that may add up with other pieces.
Too many cases brought forth seem to be about entertainment factor and this one seems a made for tv or a movie. So far all witnesses help Karen, who should not be charged
It would be completely unbelievable if it was a movie. A cop with 30yrs of experience and one with 22yrs of experience gather 3vidence with a leaf blower and solo cups? 😅😅😅😅
WHY did we have to watch the entire cop video again? What a waste of time.
When she’s not blinking, she’s bluffing
Armchair behavioural analyst? 😅 Those are the most dangerous
Heeeey!
I dont think the truth is respectful!!!!!
I thought this witness Jen seemed convincing, what do others think?
I thought she was convincing at points but also seemed extremely rehearsed at others. For example she said the taillight was smashed but then in the video picture from the cop you could not see any damage to the tail light. Definitely nothing like the initial image that showed it missing most of the plastic. Which makes me not trust her testimony
She seemed pretty credible to me. It seems more and more far fetched that this is all a massive coverup.
Some parts seem convincing, but she definitely has some “tells” that make me suspicious of her.
Wait for cross. She came across very rehearsed and there are so many lies I just counted and conflict w other testimonies
@@meganharperjonesstudioagree! Don’t see a coverup but also don’t see Karen did it. Seems like something else could have happened and they both fully believe the other one did it?