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    Today's Documentary we are looking at the Lilo Radiological disaster took place just outside Lilo, Georgia during 1996-1997.
    A Large Number Nuclear radiation sources were abandoned at a site by the Russian Army without following established regulatory safety procedures or even telling anyone which is fascinatingly horrific.
    It seems the lessons from Chernobyl Ukraine were never learned, leading to multiple radiation events in ex Soviet Union countries.
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  • @PlainlyDifficult
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    • @astroboy3291
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      Two had to be treated for over two weeks.
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    • @johnvarney5740
      @johnvarney5740 2 года назад +2

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  • @CaptOrbit
    @CaptOrbit 2 года назад +537

    I remember one of my high school friends got a job at a local metal scrap yard. I went to pick him up one time when his car was in the shop. As I waited for a few minutes I saw trucks from both large commercial carriers and just regular people bringing in loads of scrap in their pickups for sale. As they did each vehicle had to pass through a large scanning device.
    I asked what they were for and he said they were radiation detectors. I asked where radioactive material would come from in Ohio? He said that's just the thing you never know where the incoming scrap has been sourced from. He pointed out between numerous hospitals, cancer clinics, research labs and universities that the odds of getting something radioactive was low but that it could happen.

    • @whytheheckarewedoinginhere1886
      @whytheheckarewedoinginhere1886 2 года назад +62

      Well, it's better be safe than sorry.

    • @mariapower9979
      @mariapower9979 2 года назад +4

      Yikes!

    • @davelowets
      @davelowets 2 года назад

      Radioactive junk HAS found it's way into scrap yards too many times before, and people have died. It's wise to have detectors installed.

    • @Rayden440
      @Rayden440 2 года назад +45

      There are videos on this channel where scrap metal workers from third world countries develop acute radiation sickness after messing with medical equipment. There's probably no regulation for those countries and the scrapyard is probably too poor/cheap to install proper scanning tool.

    • @birchtree2274
      @birchtree2274 2 года назад +12

      Yep. Just one contaminated load can be enough to shut down the entire facility

  • @schnoodle3
    @schnoodle3 2 года назад +1012

    Might I suggest the 1977-78 mass poisoning of almost every cow in the state of Michigan when the industrial fire proofing agent PBB was accidently added to cattle feed and shipped state wide Anyone over the age of 45 still has PBBs in their body to this day.

    • @neuralmute
      @neuralmute 2 года назад +112

      I love Michigan - the state that gave us Flint *and* Detroit!

    • @catprog
      @catprog Год назад +8

      PBB or PFAS?

    • @katkenobi6765
      @katkenobi6765 Год назад +18

      Oh yeah, I forgot about that! I wasn’t alive at the time it happened, but I remember hearing mum and dad talking about it.

    • @haroldwhitt
      @haroldwhitt Год назад +12

      ​@@catprog PCBs maybe Polychlorinated Biphenols

    • @TheGamingLegendsOfficial
      @TheGamingLegendsOfficial Год назад +48

      ​@@catprog polybrominated biphenyl, PBB is correct.

  • @ichaukan
    @ichaukan 2 года назад +1348

    I've said it before, but I'm always amazed at how many of these orphaned source incidents there have been over the last half a century. Up until a few years ago, all I really knew of was Goiania but I guess that's because I live in North America and eastern Europe is a "world away".

    • @PlainlyDifficult
      @PlainlyDifficult  2 года назад +170

      It is very worrying how many there have been!

    • @Lessinath
      @Lessinath 2 года назад +44

      @@PlainlyDifficult It makes me wonder how many are out there now

    • @KRJayster
      @KRJayster 2 года назад +74

      collapsing bureaucracies and governments are not good for the paperwork that keeps track of these sorts of things, especially when The Soviet union seemed to spread these sorts of things around a bit more willy-nilly than America or the western European countries. Like obviously it happens all over the world, this isn’t exclusively a former Soviet bloc problem, but I think a lot of these cases boil down to the Soviet Union’s collapse, and just how many of these sources were spread around. It’s very sad and tragic when people who simply cannot know of the danger encounter these orphaned sources.

    • @SpikeSpiegelTB
      @SpikeSpiegelTB 2 года назад +10

      Just imagine that the orphan sources can be used to make dirty bombs used in terrorist attacks such as the ones that happend in Moscow

    • @inaanjakossowska6990
      @inaanjakossowska6990 2 года назад +13

      I would say it's cold war problem, except we're still digging up surprises from the WWII...

  • @p4ngolin
    @p4ngolin 2 года назад +863

    You know these videos explain a lot about the weird thing my parents would tell me as a child.
    I was born in eastern France, child of the 90s and even I was told not to pick up devices or pieces of metal laying around because it could be radioactive.
    We saw movies on tv with teens from small american town using a dump site as a playground, and my parents were like "this is how you get radiation sickness" and i never understood why we would have any reason to have radioactive material in my town.
    Im guessing this was the aftermath of Chernobyl and there were reports about public incidents involving waste materials after the fall of the Russian bloc where im from. Or since they went to french hospitals it could have been reported in the news there. Because this is a way too specific childhood memory for it NOT to be related.

    • @wtfiswiththosehandles
      @wtfiswiththosehandles 2 года назад +10

      But how was eastern France affected by this? You didn't even border with any country related to the bloc.

    • @p4ngolin
      @p4ngolin 2 года назад +54

      @@wtfiswiththosehandles that's... the point?

    • @p4ngolin
      @p4ngolin 2 года назад +37

      @@wtfiswiththosehandles i mean my parents probably saw the story on tv and assumed radioactive materials being left in the wild is just A Thing because "the tv said so" (and they missed the fact that we were pretty safe from that shit)
      They lived through Chernobyl and tv saying "lel no worries the radioactive cloud conveniently stopped at the border" and saw it as a lie so maybe "some dudes from georgia got poisoned by abandonned radioactive materials and are now in france", knowing them they extrapolated wrongly and thought russians dropped radioactive materials in our gardens in good old france.
      I was pointing out that this was a case of flawed logic specifically lol.

    • @clueless_cutie
      @clueless_cutie 2 года назад +42

      To be fair, I'm pretty sure I'm a bit paranoid of mystery metal/containers after watching enough of these videos. Orphaned sources are unsettlingly too common.

    • @smilodon1976
      @smilodon1976 2 года назад +34

      A Ex-GF of mine was playing in the woods in the 90s in Germany (age about 11), she came back and found something metal - A LIVE TANK GRENADE! (recent - not WWII!) So better find some radioactive scrap, than getting blown off by ammunition!

  • @Weaponsandstuff93
    @Weaponsandstuff93 2 года назад +242

    Great video. This reminds me of an incident in Ukraine where a CS-137 training source got lost in a quarry during training and then ended up inside an apartment wall killing several residents over decades before it was eventually found.
    Worryingly both in Russia and former Satellites radiation dosimeters such as the DP-2 (Roentgen Dose rate meter) which contain extremely strong SR-90 sources are often just dumped in landfills. People salvage them without realising what they are or they contaminate the area around them. Some DP-2 counters still contain sources so strong that about 2 Half Lives on the source inside can still measure roughly 20-50R/H 19-48 cGy/H

    • @PlainlyDifficult
      @PlainlyDifficult  2 года назад +23

      Thank you!

    • @katiekane5247
      @katiekane5247 2 года назад +31

      Hard to find an apt & then it kills you, balls! Would love to hear about this one.

    • @scowler7200
      @scowler7200 2 года назад +4

      Holy shit...

    • @rchous1246
      @rchous1246 2 года назад +13

      @@katiekane5247 Kramatorsk Radiological Accident

    • @TomKappeln
      @TomKappeln Год назад +6

      German guy living in Poland here.
      First i bought here was a GOOD Geiger Counter !

  • @archstanton3611
    @archstanton3611 2 года назад +240

    As a Georgian, I have to say, your pronunciation of Tbilisi is excellent. English speakers struggle with it for some reason. Great video too, as always!

    • @PlainlyDifficult
      @PlainlyDifficult  2 года назад +34

      Thank you! 😃

    • @markh.6687
      @markh.6687 2 года назад +30

      English speakers don't know how to pronounce names like "Tbilisi", because we don't know the language's pronunciation rules (like is the T silent, or the b?)

    • @archstanton3611
      @archstanton3611 2 года назад +24

      @@markh.6687 That is true. I'm a tour guide. I get that question a lot. Neither T or B is silent, but my guests usually pronounce it like this: Tiblisi. Dropping that I between T and B is the tricky part.

    • @archstanton3611
      @archstanton3611 2 года назад +10

      @@PlainlyDifficult I think I've said this before too, on a previous video about us. Feels like we get these type of incidents way too often. I even remember a joke that a man found some hot metal in the woods, took it home and kept using it as a water heater.

    • @Ass_of_Amalek
      @Ass_of_Amalek 2 года назад +8

      english speakers can't even pronounce the israeli parliament's name. they always say "kenesset" instead of "knesset". putting a 't' and a 'b' together is probably a bit harder.

  • @q3st1on19
    @q3st1on19 2 года назад +335

    Nice to see some more radiation/nuclear focused videos again. I'm amazed that you can still find so many good video topics around radiation/nuclear accidents

    • @omeyehead7436
      @omeyehead7436 2 года назад +12

      Tells how dumb humans can be with something so deadly

    • @mommachupacabra
      @mommachupacabra 2 года назад +12

      I'm waiting for him to cover the unusual and unfortunate incident in East Lansdown, PA.
      Plot: A Limerick Nuclear Plant worker sets off the exposure alarm walking IN to work one day...

    • @rebeccat.6134
      @rebeccat.6134 2 года назад +6

      Columbia River contamination/Hanford Site is a big one he hasn't covered yet. It's STILL leaking into the river to this day, not to mention the effect on downwind communities in the operating days, and workers both at the active site and cleanup.

    • @anhedonianepiphany5588
      @anhedonianepiphany5588 2 года назад +2

      PD has a not-so-secret secret! It’s called the radiological incident report archives of the IAEA. You’ll find all these cases and many more, all in handy PDF format.

    • @q3st1on19
      @q3st1on19 2 года назад +2

      @@anhedonianepiphany5588 yeah but much like other military and industrial accidents, not every radiological incident is created equal. plainly always manages to bring an interesting and unique flavor of nuclear tomfoolery to each video.

  • @LeCharles07
    @LeCharles07 2 года назад +118

    PD has taught me that if I find a piece of metal that is oddly warm for some reason I should get my will in order and maybe not carry the metal around in my jacket. TY PD

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Год назад +2

      Remember to not go near any dam, chemical plant or train track

    • @EmiStar070
      @EmiStar070 5 месяцев назад +3

      If it's warm, or glows blue, call the fire department before the hospital

    • @thomastaylor6699
      @thomastaylor6699 5 месяцев назад +2

      The blue glow effect is called "The chencov effect". Sorry, I mispelled that word rather badly. But it is a blue glow effect caused by a particle actually going faster than the speed of light, which in this particular case can happen. 😊​@EmiStar070

    • @ashketchump4009
      @ashketchump4009 4 месяца назад

      @@thomastaylor6699better add clarity here. Yes, it is faster than the speed of light but only because light is slowing down - less than it’s speed in vacuum which nothin can exceed

    • @thomastaylor6699
      @thomastaylor6699 4 месяца назад +1

      @@ashketchump4009 Actually, it slows down in water, or "heavy water, which has an extra neutron.

  • @foxman105
    @foxman105 2 года назад +206

    *lives in an ex-soviet satelite state*
    *lives near a chemical plant where explosives were made*
    *lives near several military training grounds and bases*
    *lives near a scrap pile that used to be a hospital*
    Right. I'mma get a Geiger counter... for... reasons.

    • @anuvisraa5786
      @anuvisraa5786 2 года назад +21

      wise choice

    • @alflyover4413
      @alflyover4413 Год назад +3

      @@anuvisraa5786 I wholeheartedly agree. If I were in a similar situation, I would get a Geiger counter yesterday.

    • @emilymiller3362
      @emilymiller3362 Месяц назад

      and the tags that techs use to measure the amount of rads they receive over time

  • @Chriss120
    @Chriss120 2 года назад +28

    gotta love it when a place used to teach the handling and recovery of radioactive material just leaves.
    makes me wonder how effective the training was.

  • @ZGryphon
    @ZGryphon 2 года назад +210

    Every time I hear about another case of dangerous, usually radioactive crap being left lying around by the Soviets, I think of the pre-credits scene in _Tomorrow Never Dies._ "Can't you people keep anything locked up?!"

    • @PlainlyDifficult
      @PlainlyDifficult  2 года назад +16

      😂😂

    • @matthewvaughan8192
      @matthewvaughan8192 2 года назад +12

      You can only completely ignore the dangers of one: Bears or radiation. Pick.
      Russian person: *profuse sweating*

    • @LilTachanka
      @LilTachanka 2 года назад +5

      @@PlainlyDifficult all i think of is some random stalker carrying around an artifact on themsleves

    • @lofthouse23
      @lofthouse23 2 месяца назад

      "Would you care to ask the admiral where he wants his missiles?"

  • @Wildschwein_Jaeger
    @Wildschwein_Jaeger 2 года назад +29

    Warm jacket AND plenty of snow free areas to stand guard. Nice.

  • @DamnDaniel850
    @DamnDaniel850 2 года назад +337

    I really enjoy history and this channel has been a big help in teaching me new interesting moments throughout it. Thank you for your hard work!

    • @PlainlyDifficult
      @PlainlyDifficult  2 года назад +23

      Glad you enjoy it!

    • @lairdcummings9092
      @lairdcummings9092 2 года назад +1

      Ignorance, apathy, poor budgets, corruption...
      I'm a bit surprised there aren't more.

  • @herbcraven7146
    @herbcraven7146 2 года назад +40

    "...at least your feet is safe" That poor guy never gets a break!

  • @carneeki
    @carneeki 2 года назад +108

    With a thirty year half life on cesium 137, it's probably safe to say that some of those yet to be discovered devices might be only half as dangerous now. Others, will let's just say I wouldn't like to push my luck.

    • @ElectroNeutrino
      @ElectroNeutrino 2 года назад +23

      And thankfully, it only decays into an excited form of Barium 137 which only has a half-life of less than 3 minutes and decays into the stable ground state of Barium 137, so no worries about long term continued radiation from the daughter products.

  • @topiasr628
    @topiasr628 2 года назад +321

    The callousness of the Russian officers (and men) who left this base with everything still in its hidden locations is mind blowing. Couldn't be bothered to make a note, throw it all in a box, or idk... anything?

    • @mrslinkydragon9910
      @mrslinkydragon9910 2 года назад +75

      The soviet union didnt really like georgia. You would have thought starlin would have been more sympathetic to his home nation...

    • @Notmyname1593
      @Notmyname1593 2 года назад +68

      Russian/ex soviet military and agents left from a lot of places in a hurry back then. Only really "cleaned" up their documents and functioning equipment.

    • @jothain
      @jothain 2 года назад +31

      @@Notmyname1593 Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is the case. When collapse happened, I think patriotic officers destroyed data as much as they could. It's highly likely, almost granted that they were instructed to do this in such cases, where it was obvious danger that their data would quickly fall into their enemies. So yeah, I think that's the unfortunate truth. Not to mention that data was on papers at that time.

    • @WineScrounger
      @WineScrounger 2 года назад +6

      @@mrslinkydragon9910 he’d been dead for decades at that point.

    • @gwendolynstata3775
      @gwendolynstata3775 2 года назад +6

      It's called "spite"

  • @whatsonchannelB
    @whatsonchannelB 2 года назад +917

    How are there so many radiation events I never heard of? I'm concerned John is going back in time and hiding radioactive stuff all around the world so people keep finding it and generating new RUclips content :D

    • @tootallforyou112
      @tootallforyou112 2 года назад +14

      Soviets were pretty stupid

    • @niklnik1008
      @niklnik1008 2 года назад +55

      @@tootallforyou112 or careless. As were the Americans for a good part of history. And basically most other countries dealing with radiation in the 50s

    • @CantHandleThisCanYa
      @CantHandleThisCanYa 2 года назад +9

      @@niklnik1008 both stupid and careless

    • @youkofoxy
      @youkofoxy 2 года назад +17

      @@tootallforyou112 That is actually a normal human trait.
      On other side, russian have little care about being stupidly safe.

    • @tootallforyou112
      @tootallforyou112 2 года назад +3

      @@youkofoxy oh you have no idea how stupid they were

  • @wdiermen1
    @wdiermen1 2 года назад +22

    Radiation events is wat got me subscribed in the past and - although they often include horrible injuries - are still my favourite stories.

  • @eugenej.6331
    @eugenej.6331 2 года назад +15

    Man! I've been watching your older videos for the past couple hours cus there was nothing new but you drop one at the right moment!

  • @anhedonianepiphany5588
    @anhedonianepiphany5588 2 года назад +23

    I’m always up for PD’s latest radiological mess investigation on a fine Sunday morning. Thanks for continuing to churn them out!

  • @Mr_T_Badger
    @Mr_T_Badger 2 года назад +95

    Did anyone find out just WHY a piece of nuclear material was in a soldier’s uniform jacket anyway? Like was it an accident and just nobody noticed it or was it a not so lucky charm?

    • @neillcoetzer9133
      @neillcoetzer9133 2 года назад +26

      It was a bit unclear to me but he mentioned radium gunsights being used there, so could've been that. Also makes sense to me

    • @neillcoetzer9133
      @neillcoetzer9133 2 года назад +20

      Either that or after training with the sources one of them just forgot they had it on them or something

    • @BarkingCur
      @BarkingCur 2 года назад +49

      Since the soldiers had no idea what the site had been used for previously, and this piece of nuclear material was found inside a winter jacket, I can guess at what probably happened. The soldiers most likely found the chunk of metal in a storage unit, noticed it was warm, and placed it in the jacket to keep them warm during guard duty. This once again proves, ignorance can be lethal.

  • @markh.6687
    @markh.6687 2 года назад +17

    Him: "I'm going for a walk."
    Her: "Don't forget your radiation detectors!"
    Him: "Balls!"

  • @Violet-Haven
    @Violet-Haven 2 года назад +126

    I've been watching your videos for a long time. They are wonderfully detailed, easy to understand and straight to the point. It's excellent, bite sized explanations. The only problem I have really had with your videos has been your measurements for radiation. Simply put, there's no easy way for viewers to know if "0.88GBq" is the same amount of radiation that a person would experience being outside in the sun all day, or if it's like the times when the demon core became critical. As such it's very hard to gain even some part of an understanding of how dangerous these events are. I looked into it today out of frustration and it turns out that it's actually fairly difficult (plainly difficult? :P) to find out how dangerous "0.88GBq" actually is. I really recommend finding some way to detail just how dangerous a number is. Given the math which has a wide range of values, maybe adding "*approximate" or "n Sv* this dangerous over 1 hour of exposure at 1 meter" or anything like that. Maybe "Lethal at 1 meter over 1 hour", though that too is confusing as I found out that lethal doesn't mean 100% lethal, but 50% lethal in 30 days. Just give something, anything to give better context to the numbers, as it would really help with understanding what's going on. Keep up the good work!

    • @jandl1jph766
      @jandl1jph766 2 года назад +18

      The problem with that is that radiation exposure is just *really* hard to quantify in a way that makes sense, because there are so many factors going into just how dangerous an exposure event actually is... As you'll no doubt have realized trying to research that.
      For example, being exposed to a high-level alpha source that's not aerosolized isn't a big deal, as long as the exposure time is limited. The result is basically a kind of nasty "sunburn". Exposure to a similarly active gamma source for the same amount of time may well be the end of you, as would be exposure to the same alpha source in aerosol form.
      A good rule of thumb is that anything that'll blacken a piece of film rather quickly is bad news... That's (basically) how dosimeters work and it's the only sensible and somewhat easy to explain measure of "not good" I know of. It's hardly a quantitative measure, though (Sv is the quantitative unit to go along with that). A blackened film may mean anything from "you'll probably get cancer at some point in your future" to "enjoy your last few days while you can". An event in the latter category would likely be measured in Gy, though - no need for statistics at that point.
      Ultimately, in order to make sense of the whole mess, there's no shortcut to getting to grips with the units.

    • @franciskolarik6802
      @franciskolarik6802 2 года назад +7

      i would merely suggest that if original sources, and subsequent analyses of incidents, and more generally reference material dealing with dosimetry cannot easily make "how much of what type of radiation, at what distance, externally or internally, over how much time, is just how bad?" accessible to people who aren't immersed in the relevant fields, then Jon won't be able to to that either. (And if he tried, everyone would want it explained every single time.)
      It is just that difficult, yes.

    • @Violet-Haven
      @Violet-Haven 2 года назад +2

      @@franciskolarik6802 I understand and figured that out when I looked into it, but saying that doesn't solve the problem I mentioned. It is though a very good point about how hard it is to qualify this

    • @Violet-Haven
      @Violet-Haven 2 года назад +8

      @@jandl1jph766 You bring up how the same measurement in one unit can mean totally different things in different contexts. I think ultimately what matters most to viewers like myself is how dangerous a source is. So maybe a scale of 1-10 is all that's really needed. We already have this in the intros so why not use the same basic idea here. All in suggesting is to give the viewer an idea of how dangerous a source is without them having to understand in depth. The scale would take all known details of the incident into consideration and would not be 100% accurate, but it's not meant to be. It's just there to give an idea on how dangerous the source really is. The video may at times even contradict this value and that's okay i think.

    • @Jabarri74
      @Jabarri74 2 года назад +2

      @@Stevie-J I Like the whole 1-10 danger scale thing for sources, helps people put things into perspective while a number with a unit they will not know doesn't. The OP was offering a suggestion here. We're not all physics grads here so cut us some slack

  • @AsterInDis
    @AsterInDis 2 года назад +14

    Hey I really appreciate your captions, especially how you write out how Tbilisi is pronounced phonetically. I'm not HOH but I still use captions a lot, and having details like that makes it feel like you've gone out of your way to make sure no one's overlooked.

    • @AsterInDis
      @AsterInDis 2 года назад

      Also there's a typo at 1:00 where you do kilo instead of Lilo :)

  • @breakingbolts8871
    @breakingbolts8871 2 года назад +62

    lesson: when taking over military bases, be sure to do a radiological survey.

    • @PlainlyDifficult
      @PlainlyDifficult  2 года назад +14

      Probably wise advise

    • @anuvisraa5786
      @anuvisraa5786 2 года назад +2

      and chemical and biological. those have kill far mor that radiological contamination

    • @anuvisraa5786
      @anuvisraa5786 2 года назад

      never foget that area 51 was recogniced for a legal action of some guys that wehere contaminated wen they wehre order tu burn some garbage that was stealth composits whit out any special protection.

    • @anuvisraa5786
      @anuvisraa5786 2 года назад

      secreci is not good for acountabiliti

  • @TomKappeln
    @TomKappeln 2 года назад +8

    I could watch your content for 24/7.
    Thank you so much.

  • @nobodynoone2500
    @nobodynoone2500 2 года назад +31

    Will you PLEASE do a video explaining the different radiation, doses , and units discussed in your videos? thank you!

  • @TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55
    @TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55 2 года назад +54

    In a couple thousand years, centuries after the Great Collapse, those irradiated areas may become mythological. "Don't go to the northern vale, the God of death calls it his home, none have ventured in anf lived long. Even the people caring for them were struck down." That would be crazy

    • @shturm602
      @shturm602 2 года назад +14

      my favorite proposal for dealing with radioactive shit that will remain dangerous for millennia to come was to genetically engineered cats to glow on the dark and to implant a myth of glowing cats being harbingers of danger in culture

    • @embersaffron5522
      @embersaffron5522 2 года назад +13

      @@shturm602 knowing humans that will just lead to a cull of cats, i prefer the nuclear preisthoods idea

    • @johnmccallum8512
      @johnmccallum8512 2 года назад +1

      @@embersaffron5522 You have no idea how near to the truth you are with that ,there actualy was a plan to do just that.

    • @spokoju8199
      @spokoju8199 2 года назад +3

      Unlikely. We as humans know more about the world than we used to and our knowledge expands day by day. By the end of the world as we know it, most humans would definitely be aware superstitions are not real. I'd even say in a few centuries, if we manage to exist for that long, the vast majority won't be religious as well.

    • @goodbye8995
      @goodbye8995 2 года назад

      This is very close to how it is planned to warn future generations of humans, who may well exist after societal collapse and reset, about a danger which cannot be assured to be conveyed using language.
      As religion and superstition is built into human psychology, making a site "taboo" in much the way you describe is the likely method.

  • @junkjunkloot4357
    @junkjunkloot4357 2 года назад +6

    Loving these more obscure stories! Always here for radioactive content.

  • @paul6925
    @paul6925 2 года назад +6

    “Don’t mention the glowing stuff”
    😆 Bastards! (Your dark captions crack me up)

  • @komitadjie
    @komitadjie 2 года назад +83

    It honestly really sounds like we almost need to run some kind of satellite-based, highly-detailed scan of that whole area looking for anomalous gamma hotspots. The area isn't that large in absolute terms, and the sources generally aren't going to be moving around, so even if it took several years to cover the area, it would still be successful.

    • @anhedonianepiphany5588
      @anhedonianepiphany5588 2 года назад +22

      Satellites are quite capable of detecting gamma-ray emissions from cosmic sources, though satellites directed at our planet simply cannot detect gamma-rays from these common terrestrial sources due to atmospheric absorption/scattering etc..
      This is the reason we must launch satellites beyond the atmosphere in order to map gamma-rays from space.

    • @komitadjie
      @komitadjie 2 года назад +4

      @@anhedonianepiphany5588 Just not powerful enough to be detectable from space? I mean, I know our atmosphere is a pretty good shield... I thought the Van Allen belts were largely responsible for us needing to launch those observatories so far out, though?
      If we really can't build such a detector for a low-earth-orbit satellite, it would likely have to be lower-altitude then, aircraft-based or something...

    • @anhedonianepiphany5588
      @anhedonianepiphany5588 2 года назад +12

      @@komitadjie Yes, you’re essentially correct - it’s the energies involved and their inability to sufficiently penetrate the atmosphere. To have any chance of success, the mapping of terrestrial gamma emissions requires detectors mounted in low altitude vehicles like small aircraft or drones. It’s not an easy task from a distance even if you’re on the ground.

    • @komitadjie
      @komitadjie 2 года назад +14

      @@anhedonianepiphany5588 Very interesting! Perhaps this would be a better suited job for drone-swarm technology and low-altitude automated mapping!

    • @AsbestosMuffins
      @AsbestosMuffins 2 года назад +7

      I think we have the technology today and do this but not really in the 1990s and if we did we probably weren't using it on Georgia, as we had a bit more of a problem in Kazakhstan and Ukraine

  • @aresjerry
    @aresjerry 2 года назад +7

    Missed ya PD! 💪

  • @carpemkarzi
    @carpemkarzi 2 года назад +13

    Always a good day when a Plainly Difficult video drops. Always well researched and interesting, despite the content. Great stuff

  • @grahamsawyer831
    @grahamsawyer831 2 года назад +19

    long time supporter here... please could you do a video on the 1966 Palomares B52 crash? a 'broken arrow' incident (and the general world situation at the time) that resulted in radioactive debris being strewn across mainland Spain is surely worth a go.
    (PS: if you should ever want some pointers on Russian pronunciation I would be more than happy to help!)

    • @robertwilloughby8050
      @robertwilloughby8050 2 года назад

      That's a really good one. Did you know that one of Spanish fishermen who spotted one of the bombs splashing into the sea later befriended one of the Japanese victims of the Bikini atoll test?

  • @Fallen_Family
    @Fallen_Family 2 года назад +5

    Another great video as always, but it's always so sad to see them end but in the meantime I could rewatch all of the videos

  • @jordanhancock279
    @jordanhancock279 2 года назад +17

    I love all the interesting stories you tell and all the historical photos you gather are wonderful as well! Thanks for your work.

  • @GlenGarcia1961
    @GlenGarcia1961 2 года назад +3

    Dark and cold corner? I sincerely hope that your situation is temporary, my friend. I love your series!

  • @monkofdarktimes
    @monkofdarktimes 2 года назад +8

    Great work as always

  • @zappababe8577
    @zappababe8577 7 месяцев назад

    I like the three little vertical dashes to cue up playing the advert! That takes me back to when we all used to watch TV together in the living room, instead of by ourselves on numerous different devices!

  • @osamascrib9398
    @osamascrib9398 2 года назад +3

    Your videos are so amazingly sourced and researched

  • @johnladuke6475
    @johnladuke6475 2 года назад +20

    Man, somehow the most depressing thing about the video is how dark and cold it was in London at the end. I mean I knew ex-Soviet radiological anything would end badly, but I wasn't ready for how much PD needs a space heater.

  • @hopecollins3961
    @hopecollins3961 2 года назад +8

    I’m a X-ray nerd and I absolutely love this channel

  • @mojododo6363
    @mojododo6363 2 года назад +1

    Nice touch with the little black & white advert warning in the top right of the screen! Suddenly I was a kid again watching telly!

  • @Georginachester
    @Georginachester 2 года назад +8

    I choked on my dinner when you said “you’ve heard of his son: Joseph Stalin” 😂

  • @featheredserpentartmedia5315
    @featheredserpentartmedia5315 2 года назад +1

    I love the way you relate all these fascinating disasters through recent history, its always a good day when a new video comes out.

  • @ginnyjanisse1220
    @ginnyjanisse1220 2 года назад +25

    Ah Soviet Russia, the source of so many topics. Great video as always.

    • @anuvisraa5786
      @anuvisraa5786 2 года назад +2

      soviet union not soviet russia in this case was soviet georgia

  • @Graff-zr3tn
    @Graff-zr3tn 2 года назад +2

    I never knew about many of these radiation poisonings. Just seems very careless and scary. Keep videos coming please.🙂

  • @Ntynn9999
    @Ntynn9999 2 года назад +2

    Real events, real history, neat to know. Keep up the awesome work. I know I’m not the only one who loves the information.

  • @alexoftheway8169
    @alexoftheway8169 2 года назад +1

    Another facinating installment with well put together content again, thank you.

  • @AsbestosMuffins
    @AsbestosMuffins 2 года назад +4

    Having listened to Lions Lead by Donkeys episode on Georgia, I'm actually shocked they had the resources to even find the radioactive materials

    • @anuvisraa5786
      @anuvisraa5786 2 года назад +1

      radiactive material is easy to find compared whit chemical and biological

  • @mattlogue1300
    @mattlogue1300 2 года назад

    It's cold and bright here mate. Thanks I always enjoy hearing your voice.

  • @bleachguy64
    @bleachguy64 2 года назад +4

    Great video I love episodes on radioactive/atomic disasters

  • @RCAvhstape
    @RCAvhstape 2 года назад +14

    "The IAEA determined that there were no other radiation sources on site." Yeah, okay, but I'll still skip the tour all the same if you don't mind, thanks.

  • @WarrenGarabrandt
    @WarrenGarabrandt 2 года назад +60

    I wish cell phones had radiation alarms built into them. Can you imagine how awesome that would be if you had a mysterious burn and medical professionals could review your phone to find out where you were exposed?

    • @ARockRaider
      @ARockRaider 2 года назад +27

      I would hope if they had an alarm they would just alert the user directly, rather then wait for someone to be hospitalized.

    • @WarrenGarabrandt
      @WarrenGarabrandt 2 года назад +11

      @@ARockRaider well sure, it would be great to have an audible alarm, definitely. But long term lower levels of radiation can be harmful too, if you accumulate enough. Having a bunch of phones out there monitoring will let us build a map and identify sources in the wild.

    • @ARockRaider
      @ARockRaider 2 года назад +15

      @@WarrenGarabrandt could be useful as an opt in program, but after the last few years I don't know I would trust a program like that.
      I think cheap geiger counters are something available already anyhow so if it was something someone worried about they can and should just protect themselves.

    • @andybeans5790
      @andybeans5790 2 года назад +5

      It wouldn't be long before it'd effect property prices, where slight raises in background level due to natural sources would make property hard to sell. It's a good idea but wouldn't be something I'd trust Google with if they could see a way to profit on people's misfortune.

    • @ARockRaider
      @ARockRaider 2 года назад +10

      @@andybeans5790 probably the thing people would find most upsetting is how much more background radiation there is when flying.
      But I could see people flipping out over a slightly higher level when shopping for homes.

  • @cal2686
    @cal2686 2 года назад +1

    It's crazy how many of these incidents there are. When I first started watching this channel, I thought I'd run out of these episodes, damn was I wrong.

  • @campagnollo
    @campagnollo 2 года назад +1

    For a future episode, do Picher, Oklahoma. It’s very interesting about this evacuated mining town.

  • @toyocolla
    @toyocolla 2 года назад +4

    Up next: The Stitch Radiation Event
    I'll see myself out..

  • @julians7268
    @julians7268 2 года назад +1

    Would have missed this if not for the story post. Thanks for that!

  • @davidtraynor8075
    @davidtraynor8075 2 года назад +6

    These videos always leave me glowing
    *pun intended*

  • @potatogod3093
    @potatogod3093 2 года назад +8

    You know you've got too good of an understanding of history when you hear strange burns and instantly think what did Russia do this time.

  • @iViking90
    @iViking90 2 года назад +3

    How's the weather, John?
    John: Dark and cold.

  • @molIymawk
    @molIymawk 2 года назад

    i love seeing your radiation-related videos in my recs. always crazy interesting even if they are terrifying

  • @CantHandleThisCanYa
    @CantHandleThisCanYa 2 года назад +6

    5:13 - “ _PHYSICISTS ASSEMBLE!_ ”

  • @Tiger-Baby
    @Tiger-Baby 2 года назад +10

    I really look forward to receiving notifications you've done more videos.
    I love science, am a geek of old... and fascinated by the mishandling of the stuffs that will kill us...

    • @PlainlyDifficult
      @PlainlyDifficult  2 года назад +5

      Thank you!

    • @Tiger-Baby
      @Tiger-Baby 2 года назад +2

      @Plainly Difficult au contraire, Mon petit choux! Hahaha. Thank YOU!

  • @jayarnett4157
    @jayarnett4157 Год назад

    Thank you John. Another astoundingly great video.

  • @Aaron-zu3xn
    @Aaron-zu3xn 2 года назад +1

    these videos are addicting i literally don't even own a TV more nuclear/radioactive content pls
    and more of that cute puppy!

  • @StupidEarthlings
    @StupidEarthlings 2 года назад +2

    Howd i miss this?
    THANK YOU!!!!!

  • @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
    @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking Год назад +1

    1:39 - Probably several breeds of extinct horses in this picture. Amazing.

  • @NJPurling
    @NJPurling 2 года назад +2

    The orphan sources on the base were like a ever-re-generating minefield.

  • @jdeanpickering1322
    @jdeanpickering1322 2 года назад +4

    I loved the D. Han reference! Love your channel!

  • @Haru-spicy
    @Haru-spicy 2 года назад +1

    I too exclaim "Balls" in immaculate calligraphic font when i am made aware of a radiological hazard

  • @sukubann
    @sukubann 2 года назад

    this channel is gold
    I am literally amazed by all the details and analysis of all videos
    also funny comics :)
    thnx mate

  • @mcblaggart8565
    @mcblaggart8565 2 года назад +18

    But what were the sources? What did they look like, and why were the soldiers OK with carrying one around in their breast pocket?

    • @neuralmute
      @neuralmute 2 года назад +6

      The one in the pocket was obviously to keep their vodka from freezing...

    • @anuvisraa5786
      @anuvisraa5786 2 года назад +3

      pocket warmer

  • @maddkiwi1723
    @maddkiwi1723 2 года назад +7

    How come I only learn now after 6 months that you have a greyhound!? I've got a greyhound girl and she is absolutely perfect

  • @Tindometari
    @Tindometari 2 года назад +3

    🎵Lilo, you got us on our knees, Lilo ...🎵

  • @owensthilaire8189
    @owensthilaire8189 11 месяцев назад +2

    The utter horror of inonizing radiation on the human body always unnerves me a bit.
    One is destroyed at the atomic level.
    Very little indeed to done medically.

  • @bat6353
    @bat6353 2 года назад +1

    Stories about radiation exposure fascinate me for some reason.

  • @annmariemarin5513
    @annmariemarin5513 4 месяца назад

    Terrifying! Can’t stop watching these!!! 😳😱

  • @ItsLunaRegina
    @ItsLunaRegina 2 года назад +3

    The way he pronounces "Tbilisi" is so funny.

  • @SoggyCoffeeAddict
    @SoggyCoffeeAddict 2 года назад +20

    Kinda reminds me of that German minefield that wasn't properly documented so they had no way of actually confirming if it was safe or not. So the winners of the war made German p.o.w. walk in a tight row across the area to make sure all the mines were up. But years and years after, people still found various mines in the vast area

    • @AlessandroGenTLe
      @AlessandroGenTLe 2 года назад +10

      Mate, in this very time there are still places in former Yugoslavia where mines are present (from the various conflicts of the 90s) and the only thing that separates you from a potentially deadly walk, are some old rusty warning signs.

    • @Damien.D
      @Damien.D 2 года назад +15

      In France we still find ammo depots of WWI, tons of shells from both side, with some shells still containing poisonous gases.
      The scars of war takes a long time to heal...

    • @jothain
      @jothain 2 года назад +5

      @@Damien.D Not to mention how long it takes scars to even appear. It seems that there's increasing amounts of data showing up randomly here and there about waste and weapons dumped into seas. Not just the war times.

    • @Akriashi
      @Akriashi 2 года назад +1

      Afghanistan still has mines from US carpet-mining campaigns. They're supposed to self-detonate after a period of time, but turns out even that part is bound to malfunction. So you either have a non-exploding dud, a bomblet that will explode if triggered, or a bomblet that can explode *at any moment* ...

    • @Damien.D
      @Damien.D 2 года назад +2

      @@jothain soviet dumped naval nuclear reactor at sea. Complete, with fuel.

  • @idikris
    @idikris 2 года назад

    dang didnt expect you to post right now!

  • @j.f.fisher5318
    @j.f.fisher5318 2 года назад +3

    Zone Rouge along the former WW1 frontline in France is pretty nightmarish. It's got a combination of toxicity from chemical warfare and unexploded ordinance.

  • @fluffysaffron5719
    @fluffysaffron5719 2 года назад +2

    Welp, it's 1 in the morning. Time to watch videos about radiation poisoning events with bizarre causes and every safety measure being disregarded by the people in charge.

    • @ladyrazorsharp
      @ladyrazorsharp 2 года назад +1

      Ah yes, another person bent on freaking themselves out before trying to sleep. Well met.

  • @kapatidtomas
    @kapatidtomas 2 года назад +1

    Literally aboutta sleep while watching this video... Best thing ever to happen to me in a while in my opinion.

  • @brianshissler3263
    @brianshissler3263 2 года назад +1

    0:39 poor little guy

  • @whatsmyusername1231
    @whatsmyusername1231 2 года назад +2

    Nice video!

  • @MakeItWithCalvin
    @MakeItWithCalvin 2 года назад +6

    Balls, balls, balls. That is a lot of sources! Did they ever figure out "why" it was left behind, or is it something we will never know?

    • @Mr_T_Badger
      @Mr_T_Badger 2 года назад +6

      It’s equally likely that the Soviets were either lazy or it was classified. Given just how reckless the U.S.S.R. seemed to be with nuclear sources, I’m assuming the latter.

    • @jothain
      @jothain 2 года назад +1

      @@Mr_T_Badger Soviet collapsed. Most likely all the local data was destroyed by local patriotic officers. I't really not just the Soviets that were reckless. Just think that at least there is some explanation why this might have happened and no data was left. Now there's absolutely no excuse for US to leave and bury nuclear waste in Greenland at Camp Century and leave. Or Bikini Toll events etc.

    • @Mr_T_Badger
      @Mr_T_Badger 2 года назад

      @@jothain fair enough. My opinion on the USSR being reckless with nuclear power is mostly based on just how many nuclear incidents and cover ups they ended up having. And that’s just the ones we know about.

    • @anuvisraa5786
      @anuvisraa5786 2 года назад +1

      @@Mr_T_Badger the pint is that we know most of them because of the colapse in the us case more are still secret

  • @poeallen5014
    @poeallen5014 2 года назад +1

    One thing I’ve learned is that I should empty my pockets! Seems that the radioactive metals are always left in the coat pockets for far too long

  • @dishwashee
    @dishwashee 2 года назад

    more sighthound footage please! especially after seeing all these radiation burns…

  • @MechanicalFrog
    @MechanicalFrog 2 года назад

    Great video. Thanks for doing it.

  • @Neoentrophy
    @Neoentrophy 2 года назад +5

    Well that's one way to keep warm in the cold, I prefer a hand-warmer myself, by hey

  • @christopherleubner6633
    @christopherleubner6633 4 месяца назад +1

    Orphaned sources are no joke. Found one a an industrial scrap yard. Only noticed it because of having a geiger counter in a bucket of tools i brought with to dismantle stuff. At some point i turned it on and thr clicking was unusually high. I moved away and it went down. Then i looked for what was causing it and about 8 feet from a drum filled with small scrap metal pieces it overloaded. I notified the scrap yard that i foind something radioactive and shown them. After this they called the NRC hotline and when they arrived about two hours later we shown them where it was. It turned out that the Cs137 source from a pavement density checker was chucked in the barrel. The source was rather small, about the size of a pencil eraser.😮

  • @pierceaero3005
    @pierceaero3005 2 года назад +1

    "Just an old sweet song
    Keeps Georgia on my mind." Hoagy Carmichael

  • @foreverpinkf.7603
    @foreverpinkf.7603 2 года назад +5

    The USSR had a very relaxed relation with nuclear devices. If we don´t need it, we dump it.

  • @DanielWSonntag
    @DanielWSonntag 2 года назад +1

    You have the best graphics

  • @scott_lego_city
    @scott_lego_city 2 года назад +8

    Ive got a Good subject to think about. Its not about Dams but about a chemical dissaster in the netherlands. Its called: the fire at the Moerdijk at the 5th of january 2011. It is a chemical prossesion plant that caught fire and almost troched a square kilometer on fire.

  • @chrisj2848
    @chrisj2848 2 года назад

    Good one. Never heard of this incident before.

  • @Jor-d2i
    @Jor-d2i Месяц назад

    Thanks for so many interesting vids

  • @Etherman7
    @Etherman7 2 года назад +31

    Every time I watch a video on radiation exposure it feels like more measurements are made up on the spot. Sieverts, okay. Rads, alright cool. Roentgen, nice. Grays, now you're pranking me dude.
    I know some of them are more specific than others but there really needs to be one standard. No offense to you of course, it's the whole world being confusing on this one.

    • @youmukonpaku3168
      @youmukonpaku3168 2 года назад +12

      wait until you hear about the Banana Equivalent Dose, then.

    • @pcarrierorange
      @pcarrierorange 2 года назад +2

      Every time I watch a video on electrocution it feels like more measurements are made up on the spot. Voltage, okay. Watts, alright cool. Amps, nice. Ohms, now you’re pranking me dude.
      I know some of them are more specific than others but there really needs to be one standard.