History of WWI Primer 131: Dutch 1895 KNIL Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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"You see all twenty of these Dutch carbines? But wait, there's MORE!"
At this point, Othais began laughing maniacally.
Me: I need to go to bed.
C&R: You need to watch a presentation on Dutch rifles
"We've got a carbine for that."
Welcome to the all Dutch channel.
Bedankt voor de geweldige video's
Wait until all the Indonesians get hold of this...
One of the funniest Maeversation start this time tho.
"Hi! I'm Othias, and THIS!.... Is another Dutch rifle!"
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
They say if you leave a Dutch 1895 alone long enough it'll mutate into another variation. If it's not taken by the Marechausse, of course.
When bedtime is calling, C&Rsenal is calling louder.
Dutch armory: Which one of our two dozen types of carbine would you like?
Marechaussee: Yes.
Given the shortcomings of the long pattern for the KNIL purposes I started wondering why they didn't just issue all carbines from the get go. Then I realized it was the only way to assure that other units could be issued weapons and not have them nicked by the Marechaussee.
4:23 a slight correction is in order. The words here only Cover Royal Dutch East-Indian. The full acronym is KNIL, or Koninklijk Nederlands-Indisch Leger (19th century spelling would see a greater abundance of c's, s' and sch's).
Also, say what you will about the Marechaussee, but at least they don't eat all the crayons they come across.
"we got a carbine for that" t-shirt?
Again, another great episode. Thanks for doing what you do.
Man navigating all these variations from JUST the KNIL is insane...let alone the rest...i can only imagine organizing, researching, and keeping motivation enough to make this episode let alone getting good takes and reading the script/storyboard correctly
Once again, the history of the gun is really the pretext for a complex geopolitical narrative, and I love it. Keep up the awesome work guys! This is the stuff I need to keep me going during the madness that is 2020.
I’m waiting for the episode on how the KNIL, after struggling to lighten the stocks on the rifles, next worked to shave weight from their wooden footwear ;)
"We've got a carbine for that."
Possible Dutch t-shirt design?
"Daar hebben wij een karabijn voor"
Wouldn't sell. We're not very firearm orientated.
@@hanskuijsten2380
Maybe not in NL, but other places?
I had never heard of the conflict mentioned at 6:45 . It turns out to the island is spelled Lombok, and the defeat of the Dutch is mentioned in passing in this wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_intervention_in_Lombok_and_Karangasem Othais makes greater play of it than the article does, and rightly so. It was a significant defeat for a European power, and was achieved with Winchesters. Surely that makes it interesting enough for many readers? Karl needs to be told.
Under-rated comment.
Seriously. I’ve never heard of it but it’s like the Dutch equivalent of Plevna or little big horn.
likely dutch "pacifying" activities in Indies in late 19th centuries and early 20t centuries draw lot blood and dutch take haeavy toll
@@Natadangsa modern battleship? never heard the Nusantara kingdom in 19th centuries has moden steel battleship or kind like that. as always in Indonesian history every Kingdom dispalyed with lack weapon but high courrage can make Dutch blood bath
@@raditya5663 Nah. Those are a bunch of shite. A lot of places in Nusantara were super advanced all the way back to the 1500s. During Majapahit up until Mataram, We had Jung (Junk) cargo ships which were nearly as large as a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, capable of carrying tonnes of cargo and passengers, hand had gone as far as modern-day Brazil and south of Tasmania. These ships cannot be destroyed even after the Portuguese bombarded one of them for 2 days straight with 4 galleons. We also had great skills in making firearms.
“The 400 millimeter zero was way too long”
Depends on what you're shooting at
its way too long the Philippine constabulary at that time as them have minimum of 100 to 200 millimeter zero
I guess if you are expecting to be ambushed at such close quarters you march with bayonets fixed a 400mm zero makes sense
@@Odin029 ... so I have this ant problem, and I was thinking ...
@@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC That was my first thought also...millimetre? Good for termites, ants, earthworms maybe... LOL
Dutch Armorer: "There you go, soldier. Here is your rifle, and here is the accessory catalogue."
Dutch seem to like the Pokemon model of "every model needs fifteen variation," and they needed to collect them all.
The Japanese likely thought so.
collectors nightmare or heaven.
We always want something else than the manufacturer offers.
To be honest, that's how we like our drugs as well. So I guess you are not far off.
OMFGBBQ1 gaat niets boven een oude coffeeshop.
My dad used the lee enfield jungle karabijn and a bren in indonesia,he was there in 1947.
I'm glad I work nights. Before, I used to have to get up at 4.
I'm retired now so it doesn't matter anymore.......
@@donnkelley6823 I've been retired almost five years and I still get up at 4 AM. Geoff Who is over trained.
The sword you mentioned is called "Klewang". It's a machete type side-arm and it's still part of the ceremonial uniform of the Marechaussee, the "regiment van Heutsz" and navy officer trainees, the so-called "adelborsten".
the adelborst still use klewang?
this is probably the greatest online library of firearms. keep up the good work!
This, and Forgotten Weapons, too!
I know very little about old Dutch rifles and even less about the KNIL. As a Dutchie I'm loving these past couple of episodes. I'm also very impressed with Othais' Dutch pronunciation even though as already stated the K isn't silent. Good job Othais!
Die ene alinea in het geschiedenis boek.... je kan een keer als je in de buurt woont, naar bronbeek.
@@01Bouwhuis Ik woon daar niet zo ver vandaan en ben er waarschijnlijk tientallen keren langs gereden zonder dat ik wist dat daar een museum zat. Als de Corona een beetje voorbij is ga ik daar zeker een keer heen.
The "K" in KNIL was pronounced. I had several relatives that served in the KNIL. All of them have since passed. My maternal grandfather was in the regular Dutch army, and sent (from Holland) to the East Indies (NOI) to fight in the Aceh wars.
Actually the K is still pronounced.
I'm pretty sure it is being pronounced it's just English has a habit of making Ks be pronounced like a N instead of like a K because fuck you I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In the Dutch language the k is indeed pronounced in the kn combination. We have this letter combination in our language and not just in acronyms. Examples: knoop (button), knap (handsome or clever)
is really very interesting, the Hembrug of the KNIL
I have one myself, and now I know for sure which unit this model used over time
Me: Ah, I haven't had a drink in a week.
C&Rsenal: Puts out video that I can watch tomorrow.
Me: OK SURE, I'LL HAVE A FEW BEERS AND WATCH THIS VIDEO RIGHT THIS MOMENT.
Exactly what I did :)
Glad I am not alone, cheers🥃😀
@@McNubbys third one in, I'm going back over from #129. I'm calling in tomorrow, hell with it 😄🍻
@@book3100 hey man, take those days off. Call out tomorrow. Enjoy your life! Not to be a buzz kill, but my pops died this year at 57 years old, never called out sick. I'd rather use my life now, than hold out for retirement, and not get a chance to use it then.
@@McNubbys CHEERS, HOMIE!
The idea of a Dutch 1895 carbine sent overseas and rechambered to .303 British really appeals to me for some reason. Though I agree that it sounds like it'd pack a punch on the shooter's end.
Comes home from a crappy day at work dealing with general public...(sees new C&Rsenal)maybe things aren't so bad😊
I have been there too buddy. This time I'm just home after an 11 hour shift packing boxes with spinach. I'm so glad I got me degree hehe...
The Dutch East Indies Army is definitely some of the most underrated aspects of WW2 those people fought to the end against Japanese occupation without any help from the Allies.
It's very rarely mentioned/explored, especially by Americans.
@@theblekedet6467 even in the Netherlands the KNIL isn't a well spoken subject largely also due to the Politinionele acties or however you write the sad excuse we used to justify the crackdown of the Indonesian independence movement
Bull....
@@01Bouwhuis instead of bringing your cow along, maybe say more than a single word
The dutch army got or interred or fled. The dutch that fled fought from Australia. At the end of the war the British landed took control and the the dutch came in.
Glad you guys got around to the dutch. If you have any need or interest, I have a Beaumont Vitalli and a KNIL 1891 revolver in shooting condition if you wanted to cover them at some point.
Love how you two work with and explain late 19th and 20th century bolt rifles. God bless you both,🙏🇨🇦
Another perfect video to watch while reloading.
Great, great work guys, as usual. Also love the grey strands of wisdom in Mays hair! Keep up the awesome work you all do!!!!!!!!!!
I think a few of those straight-bolt Cavalry Carbines went to the Sultanate of Yogyakarta where it was used by its Bregada (Royal Guard) during the colonial era, from the reign of Sultan Hamengkubuwana VII all the way to Sultan Hamengkubuwana IX . There are pictures of them in the Sultanate's official website showing the royal guards with straight-bolt M1895 carbines. After the independence, under the reign of Sultan Hamengkubuwana IX and present-day Hamengkubuwana X, the M1895 was decommissioned and the royal guards now use SMLEs and BM59s obtained from the Indonesian Armed Forces due to the fact that ammunitions for those type of weapons are still plentiful and the weapons are often used in parades and events where they volley-fired it.
I watched these videos when they first aired, and now that I recently purchased an Indonesian .303 conversion I can't wait for the future episodes on the conversion variants (although I know it will probably be years before it happens).
Y'all are the best, keep up the good work!
Guys...i never had so much history on Dutch rifles/mannlicher...as a Dutchman a learned a lot..thanks for 3 episode of Dutch logic in armed warfare
This is the kind of in-depth coolness I love
In World War II, Dutch, British, US AND Australian troops fought against the Japanese invasion. (Australians fought in Ambon, Timor and Java / Sumatra.)
I love the exhaustive detail, a labor of obvious love itself. I have just one question: Can SOMEBODY tell me what that lovely cello riff is at the beginning and end of all episodes? Who's the composer? What's the piece? Other than that, I have a crush on Mae and grieve for her shoulder. Thanks! Jeff C.
The soundtrack is credited to Noyemi Karlaite. The E at the end of the second name has a dot over it that I don't know how to type, so Googling Noyemi with no second name might work better. He or she (I'm not even sure which name is given and which is family -- that looks like an Asian name and many of those cultures put family name first -- much less am I sure which gender is indicated by whichever of them is the given name; however, I will say most of the avatars look female) has Patreon, Soundcloud, and GitHub accounts, as well as this blog page www.destructoid.com/?a=95265&name=Noyemi%20Karlaite&chaos=ok where the description is dated 9 years ago, so not recent. That is the limit of my old-guy research skills. I never did find a sound file of the C&Rsenal cello theme. So, good luck if you pursue this further.
It was a one-off commissioned for the show. The entirety of it plays every show, it's never been a second longer. The artist does not usually compose classical, so I'm sorry to say there is no library to go with it.
@@Candrsenal Okay! Very good, thanks to all for the dope. It just gives me a zing every time a new video of ya'll's pops up! Carry on smartly, JEFF.
I live close to where a KNIL army base was located during WW2 in Australia, after their defeat in the East Indies. It is interesting to see what equipment they may have had. Unfortunately it had a sad story about the base, when the Dutch Europeans KNIL soldiers imprisoned the native Indonesian KNIL troops within their own camp. This was due to concerns to possible sympathies with the new Indonesia independence movement at the end of the war. Several soldiers were killed during riots while local Australians hated the treatment of the 'Allied' troops who had become friends during their time there.
If you need good Dutch Protestant Hymns with organ music for the shooting segment, let me know.
Steven Van Der Have
I'm having Bergman flashbacks.
Bergmann week was best week.
Randomly wakes up at 4 am well i guess I watch the new c&resenal video because I love their work
It's funny how the number of carbines seems to be a perfect reflection of the Dutch decision making process, also called the poldermodel. This process ideally involves going over an issue long enough that all parties involved are satisfied with the end result. In practice however it leaves all parties equally unsatisfied.
ZO is dat. That's how it is .
My grandfather served with the KNIL, later field police. I dont know excactly how long but several generations of my family was born in the Dutch East Indies. My grandfather and his family was not interred because he was a police Inspector and he was supossed to catch thieves.
This! ...is what I needed. It answered many questions and opened a whole new can of worms.
29 minutes in- I have this carbine. Numbers match on everything but the bolt. Bolt numbers all match.
Ironically how the guys who were basically in non-stoping action had to steal guns from troops who were mostly just chilling around
I like en bloc clips. They’re neat and quick to load.
You should make a Dutch carbine shirt. With the caption we got a carbine for that. I would pre-order that.
Wow, this posted early. Usually its after midnight in my Mountain Time zone before the newest episode appears.
@Si Fascista that's a little on the TMI side.
The K, in KNIL isn't silent. I'll see myself out...
Yep. Dat english language is weird.
@Naufal Arzafalah likely we pronounce it as Ke-Nil
6:41 - 8:30
Got serious deja vu here; I've been researching the Lombok Expedition off-and-on the past year or two lol.
It's a seriously interesting conflict. The locals still upkeep General van Ham's grave and it's sort of a Dutch tourist attraction there, even.
For anyone interested in that conflict specifically, With the Dutch in the East by Capt. W. Cool and translated by E. J. Taylor is the best resource I've been able to find in English. The full thing's available on the internet archive.
Also, 35:50 that's actually really cool to see a photo of a Japanese soldier with a KNIL rifle!
Not sure they are japanese likely local Auxiliray Heiho some sort like that
They're more likely the Heiho native Indonesian auxiliary or the PETA native paramilitary.
Very interesting part of history. Thank you for your time and humor that you bring to military history
Excellent. Geoff Who is glad he's a shooter not a collector...but some of those carbines...
I think a 400mm zero involves using the point of the bayonet to feel for targets.
And yet, well adapted to line-of-sight in jungle terrain
Sure wish I had known all this when I used to go to Springfield Sporters back when they had racks & racks of the things.
If you were to put want ads in local newspapers and whatever electronic equivalent, I bet there are still quite a few geographically close to where they were sold. Be interesting to see how many individuals would be willing to part with the things. And of course for how much.
paul manson They were an importer, and it was a warehouse. They sold most of the Indonesian imports that are throughout the country now.
I can still smell the cosmoline!
Bought a argintine contract Hartford Colt there for $250.
At 6:12...400 mm zero? I’m sure it was a slip. Great content as always & keep up the fantastic work. I’ve been a Patreon for a while and am glad to help out. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Goodness gracious. I don’t even want to think about how Crozier would have reacted to the mess that is Dutch rifles had he been in charge after all this mess had happened
This was easily the best rifle series yet.
I have to correct you on the pronounciation. KNIL is pronounced with the "K". I know it might be ridiculous for English speakers. But hey, it is the Dutch we are talking about, here.
Me: I need to go to bed
C&R: I guess you’ve been wondering where I’ve been
"She took a six o'clock hold." So what did you guys do until then?
Doesn't mean much to kids what ware being raised in a digital world. Soon, the idea of clockwise and anticlockwise (counterclockwise) will have no meaning - and we'll have to revert to "widdershins" and "deosil." LOL
You forgot the "L" in "KNIL" which stands for "Leger" or "Army" in English. Also the "K" is not silent.
This is making the Lee-Metford/Enfield patterns look simple.
The Netherlands military equipment selection & developmentv process makes that of the US & UK look sensible. All they needed was a long gun and a shorter gun JOB DONE
Just rewatched all "Mauser-Schlegelmilch-Mannlicher-Schönauer" Episodes from the Gewehr 88 to the Mannlicher-Schönauer! Boy you did a great research!
A few things:
The 88 was really refined by Mannlicher (or someone else at Steyr)! Just the smooth bolt face not having to snag the extractor over the cartridge rim to prevent double feeding is a very important evolution! This also gives controlled round feeding as the extractor catches the round as it comes up from the magazine. Especially with the non-turning bolt face it makes these rifles at least as reliable as the Mauser 98 and its variations/predecessors.
These actions are much smoother than the 88 is.
So I think Mannlicher (or someone else at Steyr) did a very great job on this rude and troublesome 88, it´s not just a Mannlicher magazine added.
Because of this I think it´s legitimate to call the Romanian 1892/1893 and the Dutch 1895 and its derivates Mannlicher rifles! As well as the Mannlicher-Schönauer, its final evolution!
You mentioned the confusion about M1895 Mannlichers in one of these episodes (Austrian M1895 8x50 vs Dutch M1895 6,5x53 R).
I would call them the Mannlicher TURNING-BOLT (bolt-)action rifles to distinguish them from the Mannlicher straight-pull rifles.
Mannlicher designed the Carcano magazine. The Carcano clearly emerged from the 88, so IMO it also belongs to this family of rifles.
A question I was always wondering: Did the 6,5x53 R and finally the 6,5x54 M.S. evolve directly from the 6,5x52 Carcano? I know the bullet/bore diameter differs slightly with the Austrian cartridges having .264 inch and the Carcano slightly more (.268 or something, I don´t remember). But the cases look so similar! Did Mannlicher / Steyr "steal" the cartridge form the Italians?
Mannlicher.Schönauers were famous hunting rifles in Europe, India and in Africa. As is described by Karamoja Bell or Earnest Hemingway for example. In this iteration they were manufactured until 1972 in Austria.
Fun fact: Some catalogs of huntig suppliers from the 1900´s show the Mannlicher-Schönauer sporting carbine for about five times the price of a sporterized surplus 88 carbine (and about double the price of a sporting Mauser M98).
A less known fact is that the 1892/1893/(Dutch)1895 actions were customized as hunting rifles by famous british gunmakers like Rigby, Purdey or Holland&Holland. They are very rare and high priced today.
Othias and Mae: Would you like to make some off the line subseries of famous sporting rifles derived from WWI era bolt actions? I´m sure I wouldn´t be the only one to appreciate such a project!
I can join in a M1908 Mannlicher-Schönauer chambered in 8x56 M.S. and a M1910 Mannlicher-Schönauer chambered in 9,5x57 M.S.
But you would have to come to Europe to film it for the show ; )
I comment not because I have anything to say about this particular presentation (although I DO think it a bit of a tease to do multi-part series on the weapons of non-combatant nations before the promised IMPORTANT 1911 episode(s?)), but because C&Rsenal's content is some of the best historical AND firearms video content in the world, it deserves to be more widely engaged with, and Othais (Gun Goliath, perhaps? Gun John the Baptist doesn't roll off the tongue so well, and Gun Paul seems too much like Paul Harrell) assures us that commenting will help achieve that end. That is all; we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
Awesome!
Thanks! Another great episode.
26:16 "Like the U.S Marines of the Dutch East Indies, keep stealing what's not bolted down." 🤣🤣
Gear adrift is a gift
Being a former Marine, I appreciate the US Marine analogy, lol.
When they give you the shittiest equipment and then send you out to do the most dangerous jobs “ yo artillery give me that you don’t need that” 😂
Much amused and entertained by this part three episode on the specifically archipelagic multiplicity of derivatives branching off from the already bushy Dutch 1895 family tree.
Hearing the acronym for the Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger - KNIl, pronounced as ‘NIL,’ set this somewhat regionally over-specialized now-retired linguist to musing on the validity of that obviously anglicized pronunciation. Not having any recent formal training (none more recent than 1970) in western or northern Germanic languages, I plugged ‘Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger - KNIl’ into Google Translate to see what pronunciations would be suggested at the cutting-edge of automated translation. The Dutch, Afrikaans, German, Icelandic and Norwegian pronunciations all treated ‘KN’ as a consonant cluster with no inserted vowel; Danish and Swedish inserted an ’0-AW’ diphthong between the K and the N’. The English offering dodged the question by reading out the acronym KNIL letter-by-letter : “K-N-I-L’” So, if one is so inclined, there is a case for the preservation of the ‘KN’ consonant cluster. If one is more inclined to follow the easier path of late-stage Anglicization, the latin sounding ‘NIL’ offers the bonus of describing the post WWII fate of the Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger.
Just for those that want to pronounce KNIL right....the K isn't silent. I know this might be common in English, but it's not in Dutch.
Now thats a painfull Dutch periode... the KNIL... but this is just another great rifle in another a great C&R ♥️
Splendid video, again ! Thanks a lot !
I would really like to see a video about the berdan. I think y'all are doing great work and thank you for reading and considering this,If you do.
It’s a good thing the Dutch were neutral in WW1, I have no idea what logistical nightmare it would have been to track all of these rifle and carbine variants through the system had they needed to mobilize to the frontlines.
The Belgians had a similar situation with their 1889 carbines, and just decided to create a universal carbine pattern.
Well they were still invaded in WW2 and all of those carbines where still hanging around.
I know almost nothing about the situation ''In de Oost'' , the Dutch East Indies but I doubt they were in danger of the Germans or the Austrians. In the hypothetical case of a German invasion of the Netherlands during WW1, I don't think the Dutch would have lasted long against the Germans anyhow for longterm logistical problems to occur. The most important thing for the Germans would have been to seize bridges across numerous rivers. In May of 1940, most of the Netherlands surrended in 4 or 5 days. The most southwestern province bordering Belgium surrendered later. The French and the Britsh did offer some support but it didn't amount to much. Of course in WW1 there were almost no airplanes, no paratroopers, and no armour to speak of. So maybe the Dutch could have hold out longer behind their inundated Hollandse Waterlinie in Fortress Holland (and let the rest of the Netherlands be occupied) like an entire week or two without any foreign help. Seems enough time to sort out most logistical problems. Who knows they might have got (better) equipment from the allies. Or form a united front with them. We'll never know.
As long as they use the same ammunition, issued in the same enbloc clips, the hardest, most immediately critical part of supply will have been successfully addressed.
Thank you for the excellent and informative content
14:30 I wonder if the L cut is to make it easier to rout out the shape. Instead of being a blind cut you have an entry point to make the cuts.
But that’s modern wood working thinking, I’m not aware of how wood working was done in 1896.
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing.
Dutch:”There’s a carbine for that.”
Modern day Apple: “There’s an app for that.”
I've been seeing a lot more of the Indonesian 1954 .303 conversions lately on the market
that's interesting... I wonder how they managed to be sold in international market, since from what I know, Indonesian armed forces and police still stored many of their old guns in the armories, like the SMLE, Jungle Carbine, Zastava M48, Garand, FN 49, Madsen LMG, M1 Carbine, SKS, Gustav m/45, Madsen M50, and heck, even the police still using the Bren Gun
Bas en Mathieu bedankt voor jullie bijdrage...erg interessante video:)
Maréchaussée nicking rifles , that is a good one as the are military police as well.
i am commenting to help this video reach more people
The holes are for reducing the recoil (for the lighter native soldiers).
I think... I have buy one....
Othais 2021Colt 1911 and other 2020 Shoots are going to Set you Back long way ,so get an head for those Rainy days. Great Film on these Dutch/Indonesia Weapons Hope to see 0.303" Carbine shot one day, Get Mae and Shoulder Brace.
Me and Big Mouth, End Credits will tell you more
C&Rsenal = The revolver channel with some rifles.
Glad to see Mae wearing hearing protection while shooting
Say again?
Thanks, keep up the great work.
Great thanks! I hope that you will find Berdan N2!
Good stuff! Thanks you guys.
The 6.5 cacarno round nosed FMJ pencil pullets can go through 4 feet of wood and stay on course and these two are bleating about more penetration? That absolutely is not a problem with these guns! You might want a bigger hole but that is a completely different issue. In fact what you want is for them to tumble as soon as they hit the biped. It is also true that the locals who were using these guns were on the short lean size and the full power big bores was going to knock the snot out of them.
The .303 conversions were started before the start of the Pacific war. Actually it makes sense to have converted them. Apart from the extra hiting power, it would ensure commonality of ammunition with the British who were the most probable allies aganst the Japanese, US participation was uncertain until Pearl Harbour. I have seen a reference to at least one detachment of Marechaussee being sent to Malaya but I have no details of their operations against the Japanese. They would almost certainly have had .303 Mannlichers.
Way after this video was launched, but...
The 6.5x53mm "Dutch" (actually Mannlicher designed) was/is identical (with normal variants) the 6.5x54mm Mannlicher-Schoenauer round. They vary in the type of head and extraction require.
One recalls the 6.5x54mm round was used by Walter Bell to kill some 300 elephants.
Penetration is not lacking.
Fromm what i found in my research the Dutch 'only' had FIVE variations in carbines. I cannot remember them except for cavalry and 'bicycle' troops. (Only five?)
I do have a full rifle, a carbine (not sure which variation, I think bicycle, but I do not remember exactly) AND a sporterized carbine that is rather sexy. One can make cases from .303 British (I'm told .30-40 Krag as well) brass. 6.5mm bullets are easy to find, even the 160 versions; but they're all soft points. I cannot find any full patch types.
You really shouldn't be concerned about penetration with the 6.5x53mmR.
It's such as small, fast bullet, it actually has more penetration (according to the tables in the manual, anyway, but real word examples seem to support this) than larger bullets like the 7.92X57mm or the 7.52x54mmR.
The problem is quite the opposite - they move so fast, they punch straight through the target and don't transfer too much of their energy into him and have such a narrow wound channel that even a fatally wounded enemy might still initially continue to come at you and you need multiple shots to bring him down, especially at short range. Also, they start tumbling as soon as they hit flesh and almost every one that I've found on battlefields in Romania had an intact nose and a very, very deformed rear.
Standing order, under no circumstances are the Marechaussee to be issued claw hammers or nail pullers. We want some chance that they can't take it if it is nailed down!
But they used knives as nail pullers! Nothing is safe!
Great history! Supposedly inferior local forces kicking some lesser armed colonizer butt with 1873 Winchesters reminds me of The battle of the greasy grass and Inrange videos on the subject here in the States.
Uhm, sorry to correct you @C&Rsenal, however the K in KNIL isn't silent! So it's like Canuck (for Canadian), however then K^NIL (as a single word). Oh and it's not Genie, it's Ge-nie (two syllabals)... Hope you don't mind, enjoyed the video(s) very much :-)
TY
Fay beardy guy makes me listen. I like it. Am I simping for C&Rsenal? Maybe.
This comment has been stolen by the Marechaussee.
If anything goes missing, we now know where and when to look.
Marechausse also stole 399,600mm from the zero
you mean "requisitioned" by the Marechaussee.