Umibōzu Theory is WRONG!! (Pikmin 4 Theory)
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- A little Pikmin Theory attempting to disprove the Umibōzu Theory from previous Pikmin games. I really don't think that's what's at play here. Tune in and find out on VarietyTelevision!!!
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Yeah the umibozu theory started to lose credit after they confirmed the Goolix is just a giant protyst and there are multiple waterwraiths (even at the same time)
I agree with you, for sure.
No, it lost credits as soon as it started to exist because of lack of any supporting evidence.
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Yeah, the only real "clue" was the waterwraith being directly based upon the umibozu, but then you realize there are plenty of other Pikmin enemies based upon Japanese folklore (like Water Dumples being litteraly called Namazu in Japanese) and it really turns into just an inspiration.
@@yurei4414 EXACTLY! Surprisingly, very few people think this. I've gotten so many responses saying that it's a solid piece of evidence, while disregarding around half the cast of enemies xD
One problem with your theory… if you talk to Olimar he might say “I never thought a meteorite would hit the ship.” Implying that he was indeed hit by a meteor.
a counter claim would be that olimar has a ship part that does warn him about his surroundings that can hit his ship, he even mentions this in pikmin 1 where he evades space pirates thanks to the ship part, so maybe the onion had an influence to not making the ship part warn him and that causing the meteorite to successfully impact his crashing
My explanation for the Crash in P1 would easily still apply. The Nova Blaster is the part the clears obstacles, which is said to have not worked in P1. Probably the same situation here, too. Why would an electronic part not work? Maybe interference of some sort.... hm?
@@VarietyTelevision my counter argument is that some parts like the nova blaster are a scam Olimar fell for.
@pikpikgamer1012 There's only one that's said to be a scam, the Extraordinary Bolt. While Olimar doesn't know the function of each part, like the Geiger Counter, the Bolt is the only one that actually doesn't do anything. I don't think the Blaster was meant to be a scam, and there's nothing really to tell us it is.
It could also just be that Olimar was a legitimate malfunction of the ship, and crashed on the planet. The Onions rhen learn how to bring future Olimar's to the planet through examining him, and his ship.
There is also some kind of order with onions and leaflings, onions are in charge of Pikmin while leafs are in charge of rare onion care seeing as the only two white and purple onions we’ve ever seen are in white leafling’s care because of age and maybe being promoted in a way by the onions. Kind of hard to define but definitely there.
i think one of my biggest problems with the theory is that it just makes the world feel smaller if all of these weird things they encounter have to be the same creature
its a big world and even bigger at the scale of the pikmin and i think there should be room for similar weird creatures
I agree!!
Something else to add on. Im pretty sure that the sage leaf is not the new castaways so the sage could have been stuck there for who knows how long this can also back up this theory
This is freakin' awesome.
I'm SO glad people are finally looking at and poking holes in the Umibozu theory, even IF it's only one person at the moment. That headcanon's gone on long enough.
Though, I'm interested, have you heard of the _Wraith Family Theory?_ 👀
Possibly, I'll look into it. If you want, you can tell me about it here.
@@VarietyTelevision Sweet! Essentially the Wraith Family Theory boils down to a handful of points that come together to form a... somewhat _distressing_ narrative
First point being the Waterwraith and the Plasm Wraith are (sans the pikmin) the only humanoid things IN Pikmin, as well as the only things to ever be described with said word, "humanoid".
Second is the Waterwraith's scientific name, "Amphibio Sapiens", sapiens being very important for very obvious reasons
Third point is their names alone. WaterWRAITH, Plasm WRAITH. Wraith being a word that means "a vision of someone recently deceased"
Basically, they're some kinda parallel to human spirits.
But why's this called the Wraith Family Theory? _It ain't cause of their genome._
Let's look at the Waterwraith for a moment. It can be described as childish, hoarding candies and cookies in Pikmin 2 and in Pikmin 4 riding its rollers around *uncannily* similar to a tricycle.
It's cowardly, fleeing and crying out once rendered defenseless, buckling down and assuming a fetal position once attacked.
That, and the Wraith name in mind... its connection to water... the cave being named the _Submerged_ Castle... With some interpretation, the Waterwraith could be a *drowned child.*
Now for the Plasm Wraith. Seen with a captured Olimar. But instead of wanting to eat him like the Umibozu theory would like you to believe, it's found... _mothering_ him. Laid him a bed, a *lullaby* heard as you discover the pair.
It freaks OUT whenever its "baby" is taken from it, going completely mama bear hunting you DOWN to stop you from helping Olimar.
When it comes down to brass tacks, it FIGHTS to keep Olimar. Potentially not out of greed or any folklore reason, but... perhaps she's trying to fill a void..?
The Wraith Family theory states that the Waterwraith and Plasm Wraith were once mother and son. Happy human beings living a docile life.
Then, something happened. Either the child got too close to a pool or a lake or something, but... the child drowns.
As for the mother..? What could kill *her,* what could render her _too_ as a wandering spirit..?
well...
there is that gaping, manifested "wound" going clear through her head.
I don't like to think about that hole with this theory...but if this theory means what I think it means
would this not mean that there's more Wraiths out there?@@KynG5
@@VarietyTelevision Sorry to double reply, but RUclips won't let me see what you said in response 😭
Could you try to resend it?
@@KynG5 HOLY SMOKES. I've never heard this theory before, and it sounds FAR more likely an explanation for these two than Umibozu or anything else I've heard so far. Thank you so much for letting me know about this one!! They do have that spookiness to them, so I can see this one.
The onion as the umibozu also makes sense as it seems as creatures that get ejected from it have leaves on them, perhaps the Pikmin themselves were not linked to the onion
Maybe, but being Umbibozu would imply some level of hostility, which we don't see from the Onions. I believe they're acting naturally, and that just something they've evolved to be able to do.
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I think that it's the magnetic pull of pnf 404 that makes everyone crash land. However, the onions and/or flarlic have a mind of their own and go to near where ever the leaders are. However, I support the part of this theory where they need the leaders to stay. They saw an opportunity. Take sage and moss for example. But they thought "one leader isn't enough" and when they saw many leaders crash, they saw an even BIGGER and even BETTER opportunity.
I agree with you about everything but the magnetic pull. With the SS Shepherd, we see a small explosion from within. This could be easily explained by a malfunction caused by interference, not so much by magnetic pull or even gravitational pull.
Thank you for your feedback, as always! I appreciate you checking out the video and providing your ideas as well!
@@VarietyTelevision No problem! You are one of the best pikmin creators in my opinion.
@@gelogelo318Aw, thank you!
Here’s a theory of my own. The Sage Leaf, is not a castaway. The obsession with Dandori is there, but he doesn’t have the delayed speech. The way I see it, he’s a recently evolved humanoid with some relation to the Pikmin, and he needs to see all the player’s skills in action to become a more effective leader.
Pretty cool idea
Another evidence against the umibozu is that in Cavern for a King, there’s a floor that has two Water Wraiths at once.
Very true
well not really...the only evidence that goes against the umibozu that involves the two water wraiths, is the idea that only 1 piece of the split apart umibozu is functioning
@@xxmension04xx47 Tje facts that there is more than one identical enemy likely means it's a species rather than a mythological monster. It worked in Pikmin 2, but not anymore. While it has ultra-dimensional attributes, it doesn't mean it's the actual Umibozu, nor does it explain the crashing ships. The Onions easily explain all of it.
I mean...that would make sense, but as my key evidence is "you said that the umibozu split apart" I shall say it again@@VarietyTelevision
@xxmension04xx47 Lol, yeah, I was telling about the theory. Just because the Umibozu theory says it broke apart, doesn't mean it did. There's no evidence for it whatsoever. Just because I said it while retelling the theory doesn't make it fact. Both ideas are just theories.
after seeing this video, i have to say, it's changed my mind about the original theory since this is much more logical sounding, especially with olimar's logs
Thank you!
4:40 Olimar's crash, even crashes of other people and rescue corps are from unknown gravitational / magnetic forces from PNF-404, I wonder if those forces are induced by the Onion mechanics
I would have to believe so.
There is one problem with the onion theory
Olimar crashes from a meteor in pikmin 1 hits a tree in pikmin 2 and i dont like the thought that the onion is technically evil.
Besides the onions are always shown at the end of a pikmin game in pikmin 1 and 2 they even sort of follow olimar but dont make him crash. Though i definitly agree that the umibozu theory could be fake.
My idea is that 4 is a reboot anyway, which would disregard the events of 1, 2, and 3. Also, I never said they were evil. It's a natural progression of evolution for survival. It's not actively trying to hurt people, only to make itself survive better like anything else in nature.
Ok that was really the only problem other than that the theory makes total sense
Also, keep in mind, he hits the meteoroid because his nova blaster stops working. In Pikmin 2, the shaky landing and tree impact could very easily be blamed on interference from the Onion. Pikmin 3's crash isn't explained much like P4, but the Myreclops steps on the ship. In each of these Instances, at least in P1 and P2 because we actually see it, all the characters crash near Onions. That can't be a coincidence.
What if we rephrase the " leave the planet" to "leave the onions range"?
Minus caves, it seems onion control is global and the caves seem to be very metallic, which does interfere with waves.
Ever since Pikmin 3 released and people started talking about the Umibozu, I believed it wholeheartedly! And I still believe that *at the time,* it was indeed the intended story. It's been so long since Pikmin 3 released though, that I'm willing to accept Nintendo taking the Pikmin story in another direction! Honestly, I like both of these stories! In enjoyed speculating about the Umibozu and I'm going to enjoy delving into the idea that the Pikmin are actually behind it!
Glad to hear it! I think there was definitely inspiration behind the Waterwraiths design, I'm just not sure if it's more than inspiration.
From a story and worldbuilding perspective, Pikmin 4 is a complete reboot of the franchise that abandons the lore and spirit of previous games. It replaces Pikmin 1 and severs its connections to Pikmin 2 and 3 by establishing an alternate universe and timeline that begins, and currently, ends, with Pikmin 4.
The worldbuilding contradicts established Pikmin canon. Olimar now discovers entirely different areas like Sun-Speckled Terrace and Hero's Hideaway rather than the iconic Forest of Hope or Distant Spring. His co-protagonist is suddenly a retconned pet dog rather than Louie, who was supposed to go on his first mission to PNF-404 in Pikmin 2. The planet's name, PNF-404, is treated as if it was known all along rather than coined by the Koppaites later. Olimar doesn't even call it that in Pikmin 3. Even the parasitic Pikmin stem Olimar gets in the bad ending of Pikmin 1, when he dies and gets replanted as a seed by the Onion, is retconned into a cute and approachable "leafling" form that harmlessly flops onto the ground, rather than being planted in the earth, turning the darkest outcome in the game's universe into a comical and reversible road bump, eliminating narrative stakes entirely and removing all nuance from that ending. Now instead of Olimar having to save himself to avoid that fate, because there's no hope of rescue, he gets rescued.
Pikmin 4 adds in superficial elements from past games to provide hollow fanservice while gutting deeper lore. Louie's debut mission is now to a rescue of Olimar, rather than his golden pikpik carrots delivery, plus retconning the fact that he first arrived on the planet in Pikmin 2. By changing basic events like that, it subtly alters their characterizations. Allowing night exploration safely with Glow Pikmin undermines the original Pikmin universe' tension where you needed to orbitally escape nocturnal predators, or else you get your ship destroyed. Letting them camp out on the planet's surface at night destroys the feeling of looming danger on the planet. The Pikmin world's lonely, post-apocalyptic mystery is tossed into the trash for a brightly lit, clean, modern house and park, just because Miyamoto is obsessed with the idea that people should imagine Pikmin in the real world. So what does he do? He replaces the world of Pikmin with the real world.
Pikmin 4 rejects the franchise's fundamental identity and vision. The minimalist storytelling that built a melancholic sci-fi atmosphere is replaced with excessive exposition. The carefully tuned challenge derived from precise unit control and environmental hazards is reduced by overpowered new tools and railroading you by limiting what you can do at any given point. The strategic depth of managing squads with unique abilities, and the level design potential that lies within it, is diminished by restricting Pikmin types.
Pikmin 4 is intent on maximizing mass appeal and accessibility rather than refining and continuing where the series left off. It pretends to deliver the hardcore experience longtime fans craved while doing the exact opposite. It treats the series legacy as an obstacle rather than a foundation. This new direction may draw in new, casual players, but I don't see a point in pretending it doesn't alienate everyone who waited patiently for a true sequel that built upon established lore and mechanics rather than discarding them or casualizing them.
Really well written comment, and I couldn't agree more. I personally believe that 4 is in fact a reboot, but everytime I mention it people get up in arms. So i decided it would be better to clarify both sides from now on.
Onions do have some sort of sentience, with Winged pikmin it is mentioned that sometime in the past an onion absorbed a flying creature's dna which eventually lead to the evolution to today's Winged Pikmin
It isn't that imposible that Onions somewhat try to find people to command the pikmin so the onions are able to be fed and are able to find more useful genes to evolve the pikmin
Hell, this could be why pikmin seemed to gained some abilities from game to game, in 1 Yellow didn't have any electricity powers, but by two, they are inmune to it, and in the pikmin 4 comics, they are even able to produce some quantity of electricity themselves
The idea of the onions being responsible for bringing the captains down is interesting!
Thank you very much! I totally forgot about those comics, too, the ones from Pikmin Garden? I'll have reevaluate those.
The Gildemander antenna thing makes me think that it should be possible for a captain to withdraw and control Pikmin remotely in some way with the correct waves emitted.
They probably could. The Idler Alert item does something kinda like that, and it looks like a satellite.
I'll be frank, I think this theory is bananas. Well thought out and with lots of interesting connections, but it all undermines the lengthy nature of evolution itself. When would Onions have possibly found the time and motivation to evolve these traits if PNF-404 was considered uncharted territory up until recently? To our knowledge, Olimar was the first capitain to arrive at this planet ain't no way these Onions are so desperate for leaders that they can manifest these traits on the fly.
And even assuming that the native creatures evolved these traits on their own without castaway influence, it's way to convenient that captains just so happen to have the tools necessary to influence the natural order of Pikmin and that Onions just so happen to be capable of interfering with signals and sabotaging ships.
Only way I can see this theory working out is if this planet has had captains prior to Olimar, whether alien or native.
I was hoping Pikmin 4 would answer this considering how often all the NPCs bring up the crash landings and how unnatural they seem. Guess we'll have to wait til Pikmin 5 for answers 👀
It does have catptains before Olimar actually. The Sage Leaf and whatever mystery newcomer that the Sage references at the start of his cave, which we know from context is NOT Olimar.
I’ve only played Pikmin 4, so I don’t know if there is an explanation for this in earlier games, but when you go on night expeditions, the onion flies off into the sky, but only Glow Pikmin help with night expeditions and not regular Pikmin, and we don’t know where the onion flies off to.
In previous games, the captains always went to the atmosphere at night to avoid predators and the Onions followed. The same doesn't apply to Pikmin 4, it's a mystery. Maybe they still go to the atmosphere by themselves
My theory is that it’s earth’s gravity that causes everyone to crash. Since they’re so small it would make sense that they’re planets would be smaller to. Imagine, trying to land a spaceship on Jupiter and not knowing the gravity was like x10 stronger. (I know Jupiter is a gas giant but it’s the best example I could think of)
I mean, true, but all of them are capable of taking off from the srmurface, where the pull would be much greater. If they can't pass without crashing, even if they don't know the amount of pull, they probably couldn't take off. Whats worth noting is that most characters mention their ships vreak down, or they lose control. To me, it seems more likely to be hardware failure than just gravity. Gravity obviously helps pull them in, though.
I was so ready to poke holes in your theory but its airtight and logical. Plus the games also keep going out of its way to show the pikmin use the leafling process to keep leaders as you pointed out. Well done
Thank you very much!!
I believe the wraith is controlling the onions, and intentionally crashing ships to create more leaflings. I think "dandori" is a game it plays using the castaways amd pikmin as playing pieces.
I had a huge OH SHIT! Moment when I realized that this theory makes a lot of fucking sense!
Great theory👍
Thanks so much! I had the same reaction when the idea popped into my head, and these pieces started lining up.
I just beat Pikmin 4. and I've been hearing theories about Pikmin ever since I saw Dazzreviews!
Dazz's Umibozu video all those years ago is one of the things that got me interested in the deeper lore.
@@VarietyTelevision Me too...
I wonder if the any space explorers long ago were sucked into this planet, leafified, and have evolved into some of the monsters (like the gildamander).
That would be interesting, maybe future titles would give us more info on that. I'd love to see it. Something like the Skultulla house in Zelda, maybe we can still save them... maybe not.
I completely forgot about this thing lol
I clearly haven't xD
So I think tge Umibozu theory still holdes water if you remove everything except theplasm wraith! The things you said about Water Wraith anf Goolix are true! Over the years I've come to question specifaclly the goolix's role in all of this! The onions try to survive and that's all! The Plasm Wraith is confirmed to have a connection with the planet and life on it! It's also directly hinted tbat ot's the cause of the crashes! Perhaps something else is also in control of everything... Something more Powerful than the Plasm Wraith (Hint for my Pikmin 5 project that I am shareing alongside you!)
I'm wondering, where is the hint that the Plasm Wraith causes the crashes? Other than that, it's a direct reference to a specific Yokai that shape-shifts and makes creatures, while the water wraith is the one directly related to Umibozu, with its Japanese name being Ameboezu or something similar. Either way, only Water Wraith was based on Umibozu, and it clearly isn't crashing ships.
@@VarietyTelevision Plasm and Water last time I knew have the same japanease name and in the ending of 3 it's hinted at as they say and a quote " Perhaps it wasn't an accident afterall" and considering the plasm wraith is the most important thing in 3 story wise it must be it!
@jonlevidalkvistagustsson6134 Water Wraith's Japanese name is 'Amebouzu', while the Plasm Wraith's Japanese name is 'Amenyuudou' which is very different.
Also, that's a quote from the characters based on their opinions, unreliable narrator and all that. We see a very different picture when we consider the whole story, or the modern story of Pikmin 4. The only way it makes sense is if you single out Pikmin 3 and disregard the rest of the franchise.
Listening to this theory, I couldn't help but feel that it was too speculative for my liking. But after spending time trying to place pikmin 4 in a timeline, I realized that no matter what you do, you HAVE to make suspect assumptions for any of it to add up. I wish devs at nintendo would just build consistent worlds, especially for pikmim because it's just so darn unique
I totally agree. I personally have a problem with making too many assumptions, so I try to base the ones I do make on some sort of evidence from the games. Like you said, the world's are inconsistent, but hopefully, you see I tried to make sense of the information they have given us so far.
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This is like saying that apes shouldn’t exist because humans exist and humans evolved from apes. It’s just gathering more pieces of itself while the remnants remain untouched.
Except there is no evidence whatsoever that it even exists in the game. Even the guy who came up with that theory no longer believes it.
Nintendo confirmed that Pikmin 4 is, in fact, not a reboot
When? If you're referring to the 'ask the developer' interview, they stated "as for the story's timeline, I'll leave that to players' imaginations".
i think they said so maybe i'm wrong but in any case i dont think its a reboot but youre welcome to believe that if you want.@@VarietyTelevision
Honestly I think it is just that earth has a more powerful magnetic field/atnosphere and all the tiny ships are not designed around oxygen so they just... break
Maybe. However, a rebuilt ship can take off from the surface. That feat is significantly more difficult than just passing by a planet, regardless of its atmosphere.
I’m sorry but even the original theory never held any water. Cool idea, absolutely no evidence.
I'm pretty sure I provided some examples of evidence. The antenna relation, the Gildemander, the entries about onions and pikmin drawing him in?
ok ill go back and check that out.@@VarietyTelevision
great job sherlock
Thanks?
why don't the onions keep making interference to keep the ships from leaving?
Good question. My theory is that they don't always realize the Captains are leaving. If you watch all the ending cutscenes, the Onions tend to follow like it's sunset, or the pikmin are still out on the surface. It isn't until they pass the atmosphere that the Onions seem to realize, and by then it's probably too late. I also don't think the Onions are malicious either, so they definitely don't want to hurt anyone. That defeats the purpose of having Leaders.
9:25 during the idle animation of the onion it shoots some spores
Or what I believe personaly
pheromones
Wich a lot of bugs and ants I believe use to obey orders
Indeed, but I think there's more at play. The idea that electromagnetic waves cause interference with pheromones doesn't make sense, so I don't think that can be it. How do Onions propagate Candypop buds? My theory is the pheromones attract pollinating creatures like spectralids to spread onions.
Basically the same but for keeping themselves alive
Love the theory
Thank you!!
Everyone just kind of ran with this theory when it came out and so many theories were based on this theory alone. I blame the pikmin franchise for making us wait ten years at a time to come closer to what's going on. 😂😂
It's Nintendos' fault. They could at least be a bit more clear with their intentions xD
Welp this didn't age well
pikmin 4 is an au off of the pikmin 1 bad ending
I have a few videos detailing what I think about the tineline, I personally think it's a reboot.
I think you are completely correct.
Thank you! I put a lot of thought into it, and it made sense to me. All I can do is hope people see what I see. Thanks for checking it out!!
I see so many theories about this and I have a super easy theory of my own pnf 404 has a much higher gravitational pull then any of the other planets so their ships are not designed to handle it and crashes the only reason why they are even able to get off the planet is because their ships can push through the gravitational field because their ships can put out the energy needed to do so but the ships can't handle the force of the gravity on the way down to the planet so it crashes
The thing about gravity is, it's based on mass and distance. A ship flying past a planet has significantly less pull than on a ship taking off of the surface. Also, the Shepher explodes, gravity doesn't often cause internal systems to explode.
@@VarietyTelevision the rockets have enough power to take off and get out of the atmosphere but the ship does not have the power to slow it's descent which causes everything to go into overdrive and that puts too much pressure on the components of the ship and it explodes
@@williamsmith2647 It would require less power to fly past the planet than to take off. That's what I'm saying. If they aren't powerful enough to fly by without getting sucked in (remember, gravity is REDUCED in the atmosphere), then they definitely don't have the power to lift off. The gravity is HIGHER when taking off.
This would only apply to the Shepherd, Drake, and Hocotate Ship. The Shepherd and Drake seem to function just fine, and Hocotate Ship is known to be a clunker. The Shepherd and Drake both have technical issues while landing. A ship fighting the gravitational pull wouldn't act like the Drake does while crashing. The Shepher, maybe, but we see it explode in the upper atmosphere where the gravity would be much less than the surface.
I have always thought it was wrong.
I wonder how the glow pikmin would fit in.
The “juice” extracted from the lumiknols is able to cure the leafling effects. And this time, the glow pikmin are helping you get the cure to reverse the effects.
I wonder why this would be, if the pikmin want a leader so much, why would the glow pikmin be the one thing that could take that leader away?
My only guess is it has to do with how different the day pikmin are from the night pikmin, I mean, in some logs, it says the glow may not even classify as a real a pikmin. I also wonder if the lumiknols and onions have a connection that has an explanation that can answer this question.
My theory: 1. Glows probably aren't pikmin as we know them, and they also don't have an Onion, it seems they work on a different system. 2. Glow pikmin themselves have a leaf on their head, but are the color of glow sap. I bet the degradation enzymes are probably what allow glows to exists as light in the first place.
3. It seems every crash has taken place during the day, and the Rescue Corps were the first to discover them by going out at night. If only enemies come out at night, the nocturnal would need to be stronger. Instead of evolving the need for a leader so strongly, they evolved to survive, with immunities to all hazards and a very powerful glowmob attack.
I dont think the Lumiknoll Cure was ever an intended effect of the Lumiknolls/Glow Pikmin. The enzyme it creates is to destroy itself with the sun's rise, and the Rescue Corps basically steals some of that enzyme to dissolve the leaves parasitizing and controlling the castaways.
As for why the Lumiknoll destroys itself, dunno. It also does this when all the night creatures have been wiped out, so it seems like its purpose is to keep the night safer? The onions dont seem to go to space for nightfall anymore, so maybe the lumiknolls are some extension of the onion that keeps them safe at night.
I only realize that now but from an evolutionary standpoint point why is the only thing that can cure leafling is made by something that also creates pikmin. Is this a competitor with the onion and they do that to weaken them and draw the leader to them ?
I encourage you to reread the glow pikmin entry. It's very likely they aren't pikmin at all.
I know that's why I hesitated to put "pikmin" like that. But it would still mean that those tow speases are enemy ?
@xionne7849 idk, maybe not. Maybe the same substance is what gives Glows their form and why they are made of light. They have leaves, but those are light, too. Maybe this glow sap is meant to help form Glows, but when applied to other leaves, it strips them down.
@@VarietyTelevision Oh you are right I totally forgot they have leafs and glow, sorry
Just talk to Olimar and he'll say he never thought a meteorite would hit his ship implying he was. also I dont think the onions have any real communicative capabilities outside of the hivemind that is the pikmin. If you actually think about olimar's entry on whatever its name was that controlled pikmin its easy to tell that all you need to do is mimic the leaders to co trol the pikmin as they operate on instincts. Follow the whistling orb and do what it says to survive. I mean Moss does this exact thing minus the glowing orb part but given it probably used to have an orb looking tail like ochie the pikmin are able to recognise its compatability as a "leader" and thus will do as it says. The monster does the same thing it has a glowing object and lets out its equivalent of the whistle to control and trick pikmin
the game states that moss never had a puffball, she was always born with the leaf tail as PNF-404 is her home planet, reasoning to her being able to command the pikmin is because they are desperate for a leader, AND they've been with moss when she was with olimar, they can tell she is capable of handling them
Also, the Gildemander goes MUCH further than "glowing ball and it whistles", if you heard me, it doesn't whistle at all. It uses electromagnetic waves to disrupt the Onion. It literally says this.
Electromagnetic waves. Not whistles....
Umibōzu is humanoid
Is there some reason multiple parts of the umibozu can't be sentient at the same time? Like if its brain analogue is also broken into pieces maybe that means all the waterwraiths etc. can be a part of the umibozu even if there are several.
Possibly, but imo, there's just no evidence for Umibozu. It's a cool theory, and clearly, the Waterwraith is inspired by the Umbibozu. But in the same regards, a lot of pokemon are based on yokai, but they aren't the actual yokai. I think it's just inspiration, as we see nothing to indicate the Wraiths are crashing ships. Only the actual folklore of the Umibozu says anything about that.
@@VarietyTelevision I Think That the Water and Plasm Wraith Are Connected. Their Not the SAME Creature, Just 2 Different Creatures. The Water Wraith is Water and the Plasm Wraith is Just Every Wraith Combined. Meaning There COULD be Other Wraiths. Which is Terrifying to think About.
@@lisah7113 I absolutely think there are other Wraiths.
i think the plasm wraith and water wraith are basically the umibozu
my theory is that they get more powerful the more people are on the planet
thats why the plasm wraith wanted olimar and thats why they make everyone crash land
the goolix and foolix may or may not also be connected
in pikmin 1 there was 1 person on the planet and we had the goolix
in pikmin 2 there were 3 people on the planet and we had the water wraith
in pikmin 3 there were 5 people on the planet and we had the plasm wraith
in pikmin 4 there are countless people on the planet and suddenly theres several water wraiths and the foolix
it might seem like this would mean it would be insanely powerful with billions of people on earth but in its current form it can be defeated by pikmin
pikmin are basically ants
with 8 billion people it was as strong as nuclear weapons
it was either brought into our dimension because of nuclear weapons or the nuclear weapons were used to fight against it
both possibilities make sense to me
So how did Oatchi get a leaf anyway? He didn't get scooped up by an onion or anything he just wakes up and has it one day
Indeed, in a previous theory I talk more about the Onion's influence, but Oatchi gets his leaf by exposure to Pikmin and Onions. In game characters theorize the same thing. Also, notice how his tail resembles the captain's antennas before becoming a leaf, which I theorize perform the same function.
HMMM you're quite right! But if the umibozu theory is wrong.... Then what is true?
'ey I was looking through my Nintendo screenshot and I discovered some sus stuff....
In pikmin 4, bernise the fortune teller speaks about "the great will of the galaxy" which could just be some fortune teller stuff but it's letters are in yellow! So that means it's important!
ALSO! In Olimar's shipwrecked tale, In one of his logs (sorry I don't know how to identify it) he says this:
"When the S. S. Dolphin crashed onto this planet, I felt another force--a force aside from gravity--was at work."
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Probably the great will of the galaxy's force (^o^)
The Onion Theory
@@VarietyTelevision yea I watched the onion theory and it makes a lot of sense! But I'm struggling to imagine a onion as the final boss 😳
@@Bloom8182 I don't think they will be
While I don’t agree with your last theory about the onions controlling the leader’s brains before leaflingication, I do believe that this is (darn near) spot on. My one change would be that Umibozu theory is correct, however the onions/pikmin are the Umibozu and the captains are the treasure that the Umibozu are seeking.
I.e., my change is semantic
I don't think they are controlling them, only influencing. My last theory discusses the fact that the Sage Leaf calls Pikmin and Onions by those names despite Olimar supposedly naming them, and he never met Olimar. My theory was that the Onions themselves influenced the names, it's the only way the Sage could know them. Check it out if you haven't, it goes deeper I to what I mean about 'influencing the captains'
Also, thank you so much for your feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed the theory!!
I worded that incorrectly, you’re right you were saying they were influenced in the other video, I misspoke. This was a really good theory, The signs were always there from the beginning of the series but it took a series reboot for someone to put the pieces together. Keep up the good work!
@@chaptermasterosiris7936 I appreciate it, and I appreciate your feedback. It's these conversations that drive me to keep making them.
my theory is that the waterwraith is controlled by another being as well as the plasmwraith so these 2 creatures would be in the "wraith" family, what i'm trying to say is what if theres an unknown Wraith on PNF-404 that can create and control multiple water wraith and plasm wraith (if we consider multiple plasm wraith possible)
for the Onion and pikmin trying to leaflify (idk the exact word) a leader or space dog, thats just because they need a leader to survive and i think everyone figured out already but why the onion doesn't simply "create" a leader? They can "convert" other creatures to their causes (spoiler: seen with oatchi half way through the game) and i know most of you will say "what about moss" and yeah moss can be "a" leader, not "the" leader of all pikmin, so they would probably try to have multiple leaders to survive? honestly i don't know, but the theory of the antenna of the captains and how the Onion can sense it that can also work the other way around, why? Because the player can see the total amount of pikmin both on field and in the squad, even more interesting in pikmin 1 Olimar can see the total amount of pikmin even from the Onion, so I think this theory is pretty accurate
most of you right now: not reading allat
I read it. We will need more clues that there is in fact a bigger or stronger wraith, much less one that makes wraiths. If we get those close, it could change my mind on some aspects.
there is a theory that the wraiths are in fact humans...their souls inhabiting these materials and substances to take on a semi-physical form
Could’nt the foolix be the last part the water wraight needs to collect to become the plasm wraight
then why can the glow pikmin sap invert the effects of leafication
Because they aren't Pikmin. They're similar, but different creatures. The Piklopedia classifies them as '???' Not Pikmin, and it's known they're made of photons. As for the reason they're so similar? Convergent evolution.
That was my favorite theory
Which one?
@@VarietyTelevisionthe umibozu one since it was the first one I ever heard of
@@Charadoesthatgaming Nice! If you don't mind me asking, how do you think Onion Theory fares against Umibozu?
@@VarietyTelevision it does make sense but regardless there is some kind of supernatural thing happening on pnf 404
@Brandonmdog All the supernatural things seem to be explained by science in P4. Glow Pikmin look like ghosts, but are composed of photons. The Water Wraith used to be believed to be spiritual in nature, but now seems to be a higher dimensional being. It seems as though some of the supernatural elements of the past are being written out, at least to me.
the Umibozu theory could be correct still, you yourself said that the Umibozu split apart...but what says that only one of these pieces could function, all of them could function
Maybe, but where would the Foolix come from? And if the Umibozu theory is correct, why do we see members of the Goolix family alongside supposedly the next iteration of Umibozu? How does the idea that the Meteoroid containing the Umibozu explain aspects like the Nova Blaster not functioning, leading to the Crash? In my mind, electrical interference from the Onions makes way more sense to answer those questions. Not to mention that the Goolix and Wraiths shoe no traits of Umibozu, other than watery appearance. None of them hoard treasure, unless you count P3, in which the Wraith is only obsessed with Olimar, wouldn't it try to capture all the treasure? I.E. all the captains??
just because the Foolix exists, it doesn't mean that the theory doesn't fit...since as I stated, YOU said that the umibozu split into pieces
but what says that only 1 of those pieces actually was still alive...all of them could be, meaning multiple goolix, foolix & wraiths@@VarietyTelevision
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i wonder why the glow pikmin would develop an anti leafication effect, maybe they truly are that far unrelated to pikmin
It seems likely, my theory is convergent evolution.
Why is the water wraith called Sapiens tho ? Like Homo Sapiens ? What does that means ?!
Likely just that it's humanoid, but possibly could imply it's somehow directly related to humans.
@@VarietyTelevision So if he is scared of pikmin, does this make the theory that pikmins did something to the Humans ?
Or does something happened and Humans turned into Wraiths ?
Spoiler here dont go if you didn't finish the game :
The final boss of Pikmin 4 does have a collar, so was he a human pet like a yorkshire if some sort ?
I've always thought interpreting the goolix as a piece of anything related to the wraiths was silly and not a necessary condition for the umibozo theory to work. I was really expecting to hear a real rebuttal to the theory instead of a small contradiction to a tangentially related theory.
the games have made it clear that the goolix is a very large single celled organisms. that's how they are described in the credits of pikmin 1. meanwhile the wraiths are described as mysterious and unknowable and interdimensional and not really existing, defying the laws of science, and incorporeal. Its very very sciencey sounding on one side and more horror story on the other, its difficult to believe there is even a thematic connection.
I'm not going to defend the umibozo theory as I don't believe in it myself, but you should at least give the theory the respect it deserves and not claim you disproved it when you didn't even say anything meaningfully related to the theory.
Honestly your theory is just Unibozo theory but the Onions instead of wraiths. Your theory could be considered an offshoot and not a contradiction.
My theory gives an alternate explanation to the "mysterious crashes". Rather than it being a mysterious monster that literally only the Water Wraith is related to, it's something that the game itself literally hints at. If you look closely at both entities, they are inspired by different yokai, and the Plasm is totally unrelated to Umibozu. The only connection between ANY of them and the actual Umibkzu is the Japanese name of the water wraith, and the fact they are both water. It's just a reference to a monster of legend, nothing more imo.
but the glow pikmin have nothing to do with the onion and you can’t spawn more than 100 pikmin using them whether you’re in a cave or not. cool video but this point missed.
I missed it intentionally. I don't think Glow Pikmin are Pikmin at all, rather something different yet similar. The Piklopedia entries back this up.
I’m WAY too invested in the gameplay
Lol, I did t think I was doing that well xD
i think the final boss of pikmin 5 will be a new wraith
scarier and more powerful than the water wraith and plasm wraith
potentially designed based on the umibozu
it could maybe have forms based on the dogs, the people, or even fruit or treasure
something like that to lure people to it to try and do what it wants to do
it's an interesting theory
but i think there are two factors working against it
1 being the glow pikmin and lumiknolls, if onions evolved to create permanent captains through leafification then why would they have a cousin that spits out a substance that can undo the process or prevent it working
and the 2nd factor is that the onions almost seem to see captains off when they can tell they're leaving the planet entirely, such as in pikmin 1's ending with the swarm of onions rising up to see the dolphin off, or 4's ending where not only your main master onion, but 2 additional onions the rescue team hadn't ran into or awakened, fly up into the sky to give the pikmin a better viewpoint to watch the ship leave
if your species worked together to down any space ships nearby then why would you appear to celebrate when they leave the planet, having finished their business there
My counterpoint would be:
Glow pikmin are stated by Olimar to likely not he Pikmin at all, despite being named Pikmin, and are classified as '???'. This means they likely aren't related to regular Pikmin and Onions at all.
In the case of the endings, my idea is that they do this not realizing that the captains are leaving right away. In pikmin 1, the onions follow Olimar as if it's sunset, it isn't until he exits the atmosphere that we see all of them. I don't think they're malicious or chasing them down, rather desperate to keep their new leader, hence the leaflingification process.
Idk how many times I have said this in the past because I lost the count
Pikmin 4 isn't a reboot. It CAN'T be a reboot this game isn't how reboots works stop spreading misinformation about reboot
It's up to each player. Nintendo said so. There's no misinformation, but I'm sorry you don't like my opinion.
@@VarietyTelevision the timeline placement was up to players to decided
They literally mention timeline so the game can't be a reboot
@@Alexgodofwar5662 Well, this player is deciding its the beginning of its own timeline. You can believe whatever you want, I'll do the same. Thanks for your comments!
@@VarietyTelevision thats is not even what Nintendo meant
No wonder people think the timeline is a mess
@@Alexgodofwar5662 ok
This theory is just plain bad. It blatantly ignored key details for the sole purpose of disagreeing with the very obvious fact that was previously understood. Bernard literally explains in one of his dialogue lines that he just randomly lost control of the ship, even though nothing seemed to be wrong. Then I believe it was Russ that chimes in saying “perhaps the planet itself had something to do with it”
Sorry you feel that way. I feel like everything I used as evidence WAS pulled directly from the games...
@@VarietyTelevision CHERRY PICKED, to be specific, not the same thing
@@minecrafter3448 I'm sorry you don't like my theory, but it doesn't change that Umibozu is wrong. Even the creator of the theory said so.
@@VarietyTelevision and the inventor of the GIF pronounces it wrong. Irrelevant. There are numerous contradictions that prevent this theory from being reliable, and a quite satisfying number of zero for the original.
@@VarietyTelevision I could if you want go through the video bit by bit and point out every inconsistency in your theory and blatant failure to consider basic details that fill the “plot holes” in the original, but that would probably just be annoying, so I’ll only do it if you say the word.
it hurts to watch your gameplay
Well good thing the content is very listenable, so you don't have to watch.
the waterwraith is actually called something along the lines of umibozu in the files! i think its called the amebozu, but yes, the umibozu theory (might?) have been confirmed by a quick glance at the files! im not a dataminer myself, i just read some leaks
It's the Japanes name. Amebouzu. It's a play on Ameoba and Umibozu, which is simply the inspiration tmfor the Wraith. The Plasm Wraith is named after a totally different Yokai, and the Goolix is clearly unrelated. It's like saying Froslass is actually Yuki-Onna because she inspired the design.
oh cool