Scarlett's Mass Hydralisks vs Oliveira! StarCraft 2

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  • Опубликовано: 2 фев 2024
  • StarCraft 2 Tournament 2024 - WardiTV 2023 Series Championship - Terran vs Zerg - Scarlett reinvents Zerg vs Terran yet again in an incredible series against Oliveira!
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Комментарии • 179

  • @weid7070
    @weid7070 6 месяцев назад +60

    I love it when you channel the knitting crew. Ngl I'd watch a full cast of Back Seat Brenda.

    • @alltat
      @alltat 6 месяцев назад +7

      We definitely need a Brenda-cast of a long macro game where the observer is only interested in the adventures of the queens.

    • @weid7070
      @weid7070 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@alltat Idk about exclusively queens personally. I kinda wanna see the knitting crew talk smack and be motherly about everything tbh. Like angry coach but more like disappointed yet understanding Brenda

  • @1bentom1
    @1bentom1 6 месяцев назад +85

    The commentary from the queens keeps me coming back every time. Hahaha

    • @undertyped1
      @undertyped1 6 месяцев назад +5

      The blackout joke after is a bit tired though. He should just commit to the bit and move on.

    • @1bentom1
      @1bentom1 6 месяцев назад +1

      i just started watching him about a month ago so im not tired of it yet haha
      @@undertyped1

    • @slevinlaine
      @slevinlaine 6 месяцев назад

      YOO that's the best hahaha and when Winter gets his arms to his chest!? hahaha love that reaction.

    • @enriquegarciacota3914
      @enriquegarciacota3914 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@undertyped1he often blackes out for a second but the other day he blacked out for *a moment*. Clearly there’s a hidden meaning there.

    • @IfritMiraZ
      @IfritMiraZ 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@enriquegarciacota3914 just means he's a changeling acting as a terran

  • @codymays9943
    @codymays9943 6 месяцев назад +20

    Love Scarlett. Where does time go? I remember her first tournaments and that was like a decade ago now. We’re getting old as hell now 😭

    • @B1gLupu
      @B1gLupu 6 месяцев назад +8

      What do you mean, Time is right there, just playing under the gamertag Oliveira
      (har har har)

    • @codymays9943
      @codymays9943 6 месяцев назад

      @@B1gLupu Boooooooo 💀

    • @spidzcats
      @spidzcats 6 месяцев назад +5

      Seriously. I took a pretty long SC2 break and when I played and was watching tournaments Scarlett and Stephano were the top Zerg’s.

    • @codymays9943
      @codymays9943 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@spidzcats Same, man. That was a different era. And today, somehow Destiny pivoted into this politics thing and THAT blows my mind.

    • @Aluzky.Irezumi
      @Aluzky.Irezumi 5 месяцев назад

      His first tournament* HIS* Scarlett is a man, in english, you address men as HIM and not as HER. Learn proper english.

  • @Junkrat3325
    @Junkrat3325 6 месяцев назад +31

    10:16 That Viper is what my bank account looks like on payday.

  • @eud64_
    @eud64_ 6 месяцев назад +12

    I didn't know that Microbial Shroud existed up until this game. I love when players try new things and Scarlett never ceases to surprise me.

    • @robert-asdf
      @robert-asdf 6 месяцев назад +1

      it doesn't matter it one faction gets buffed or nerfed, as long as blizzard's main goal is make a lane where all rarely used weapons are needed. nothing like watching your most hated or even favorite player repeatedly winning with just the minimum variety needed to the point where *this* player is known for *this* unit. there should be a list in winter's comments or blizzard's site the least used things so they can get a general idea what to revolve the next patch around.

  • @kw8295
    @kw8295 6 месяцев назад +37

    Seems Scarlett had "Oops, All Hydras" for breakfast this morning.

    • @barsnack7999
      @barsnack7999 6 месяцев назад

      easy to make all those hydras from a chopped off pen!s

  • @mariusmaxximus1520
    @mariusmaxximus1520 6 месяцев назад +19

    I would love to see Winter live-casting IEM Katowice, and then break into a schizophrenic Queen black out, every time they shoot down a medivac

  • @TheNerdForAllSeasons
    @TheNerdForAllSeasons 6 месяцев назад +20

    42:40 yeah I'm not a pro player but I don't think running uphill into 120 supply of Tank/ Bio on even upgrades with only Ling/ Bane is the best strat.

    • @mb10637
      @mb10637 6 месяцев назад +5

      Yeah, he definitely made a mistake there. That was nasty fight.

    • @GameFuMaster
      @GameFuMaster 6 месяцев назад +4

      mostly because it came piecemeal.
      42:25 started attacking on the left flank, while the right flank wasn't ready. So the tanks obliterated the left flank, and could then focus on the right flank.
      Would've been a lot more even if it was coordinated properly

    • @shaheenaevelga8604
      @shaheenaevelga8604 6 месяцев назад +23

      @@mb10637 Only mistake i see here is you misgendering on purpose.

    • @BR0984
      @BR0984 6 месяцев назад

      @@shaheenaevelga8604on purpose? Why do you assume so?

    • @Solon64
      @Solon64 6 месяцев назад +2

      It would only be misgendering if using the new definition of the word which separates biological sex and gender identity (rather than the older, traditional one where gender and biological sex are interchangeable), but the jury is FAR from out on which definition is the more correct one and typically, when in doubt, the traditional, older choice is the standard used as that is the one that more people learned it as and would agree with.
      Don't assume the language you use is the same as the language someone else uses, even if both people are speaking English; you just end up talking past each other and getting upset for no reason. Definitions are extremely important, and when a definition is changed it is even more important that both speakers are on the same page as to what is being referred to. If someone asks you to hand them the apple you're holding but what you're holding is an orange, you both are going to be very, very confused.
      He didn't make a mistake, YOU did: you assumed a definition of gender that is not yet widely accepted. You can certainly choose to believe that using the old definition is immoral or "mistaken", but neither you nor he nor anyone individually is the arbiter of morality on this subject. He's calling an apple an apple, and you're upset because this particular apple prefers to be referred to as an orange. You can understand, surely, why there might be some confusion.

  • @theculturedgentleman3699
    @theculturedgentleman3699 6 месяцев назад +16

    One thing I really love about Scarlett games is her ability to spread Creep! She's so good at creep spread...I just wish she had better unit control. Maybe strategic decision making too.

    • @Aluzky.Irezumi
      @Aluzky.Irezumi 5 месяцев назад

      Is HIS ability.* Scarlett is a man, right pronoun is HIS and not HER.
      He's so good*
      Did you fail at english class? Or basic biology class?
      Wish HE* Seriously, is not that hard to understand, she and her is used to address female humans. He and him is used to a dress male humans. Basic english pronouns and basic human biology. Scarlett is a man, a he.

    • @Aluzky.Irezumi
      @Aluzky.Irezumi 5 месяцев назад

      HIS* HIM* scarlett is a man. Learn basic english grammar and human biology.

  • @BeesNTrees47
    @BeesNTrees47 6 месяцев назад +12

    21:18 a hydra flies off into space!

    • @BeesNTrees47
      @BeesNTrees47 6 месяцев назад +1

      sorry, swims to the surface for a breath of air hahaha

    • @joshoconnor6684
      @joshoconnor6684 6 месяцев назад +3

      Be freeeeee

  • @joshoconnor6684
    @joshoconnor6684 6 месяцев назад +8

    Hydralisk in my opinion is the most iconic zerg unit and probably the coolest design. I'm happy to see a victory from scarlet using them.

    • @ViKODiN_
      @ViKODiN_ 14 дней назад

      Especially against ghost. I don’t play much sc2 anymore since I’ve come back to Dota 2 but man it seems like such a pain in the ass those ghost are. Seen so many mid to late game TvZ games lost where the Zerg had 70-80% map control and several more bases and yet they lose fight after fight cuz ghost just line up like a civil war battle line and wipe out every Zerg unit with zero trade or consequences. Has made watching TvZ very boring for me at times especially recently. It just feels like such an almost impossible uphill battle that 2 shots can kill a ultralisk and there’s no real way Zerg can do much about it especially with EMP in play. Fuxk ghosts lmao

  • @AshunPhubu
    @AshunPhubu 6 месяцев назад +12

    At this point I'm surprised Winter has not Cosplayed as a queen "Brenda" and done a whole cast/stream with it

    • @JollyGreenWizard
      @JollyGreenWizard 6 месяцев назад +1

      I shudder to think how wrecked his voice would be at the end, but that would definitely be hilarious

  • @Junkrat3325
    @Junkrat3325 6 месяцев назад +12

    • @jonathonkoele1597
      @jonathonkoele1597 6 месяцев назад +6

      Same, she's my fav

    • @Aluzky.Irezumi
      @Aluzky.Irezumi 5 месяцев назад

      @@jonathonkoele1597
      He's my fav.* Scarlett is a guy. Learn proper english grammar. She is only used to address female humans.

  • @TheFinius
    @TheFinius 6 месяцев назад +5

    All I can think is the last thoughts of those reapers boxed in. "Well shit."

  • @MusicGodAndMyLaptop
    @MusicGodAndMyLaptop 6 месяцев назад +4

    Can we just appreciate the insane work ethic here? A new video EVERYDAY?
    Winter, may your snow never melt and your superpylons never face a Nydus full of Brendas.
    There will be a time when we all will have to type out our last GGs, but until then:
    GET OFF MY CREEP!! ❤

  • @Gredddfe
    @Gredddfe 6 месяцев назад +1

    Scarlett the baseball pitcher showing us the most dramatic throws.

  • @SurrogateSelf01
    @SurrogateSelf01 6 месяцев назад +2

    Always get Jimmy the likes he needs boys. My boy doing a great job counting.

  • @omarwilliams1948
    @omarwilliams1948 6 месяцев назад +2

    CREEP SPREAD IN MY MOUTH….WHAT😂😂😂

  • @ASithLordd
    @ASithLordd 6 месяцев назад +2

    not the "creep spread in my mouth" comment 🤣😂 Always love your commentary.

  • @jennifer_dreamzzz
    @jennifer_dreamzzz 6 месяцев назад +6

    I love that picture of Oliveira, such an emotional moment 😢❤

  • @rileymitchell3510
    @rileymitchell3510 6 месяцев назад +40

    I definitely care about reaper micro, so much I wrote this comment while it was going on.

  • @IsThisHandleTaken
    @IsThisHandleTaken 6 месяцев назад +1

    ya love to see the mass hydra. Not sure why but hydras have always been one of my favourite units

  • @Grubnar
    @Grubnar 6 месяцев назад

    21:06 LOL! Don't ever change!

  • @weaponizedemoticon1131
    @weaponizedemoticon1131 6 месяцев назад +1

    That plug micro is on point Winter.

  • @Devillionaire
    @Devillionaire 6 месяцев назад +1

    Zerospace looks sick. I’m sure Scarlett will do a great job on its balancing. Can’t wait to play it.

  • @aidanrc46
    @aidanrc46 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for casting Scarlet ❤

  • @leafykille
    @leafykille 6 месяцев назад +2

    Hydras are incredibly powerful, I'm honestly amazed they aren't seen more often.

  • @GrippeeTV
    @GrippeeTV 5 месяцев назад

    19:15 is one of the sickest plays I think I’ve seen in a long time, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone use Microbial Shroud so effectively lol

  • @Gredddfe
    @Gredddfe 6 месяцев назад +1

    Scarlett showing us the Hydra GG Timing.

  • @guitaripod
    @guitaripod 6 месяцев назад +4

    Another morning, another Starcraft II war

  • @WolfGangDealers
    @WolfGangDealers 6 месяцев назад +2

    Scarlett continuing to impress me with these different strategies. Loving the work and casting

  • @slevinlaine
    @slevinlaine 6 месяцев назад +1

    Lets focking goo!! :D Scarlett!!!
    0:46 HAHAHAHHAHAHA amazing you are outdoing yourself!! :D
    2:20 hahahhahaha!!!

  • @stalinstylez4034
    @stalinstylez4034 6 месяцев назад

    “Creep spread Simulator” 🤣 the way you are looking when you make jokes like this is killing me every time 😂😂

  • @aaronw6195
    @aaronw6195 6 месяцев назад

    This was a pretty even good match! Scarlett kept up the pressure, and really leaned on those hydras to put together some kind of offense.

  • @viasevenvai
    @viasevenvai 6 месяцев назад

    “I’m a poet and was not alert of it.”. haha.

  • @laureloneiros1500
    @laureloneiros1500 6 месяцев назад +1

    Ghost + liberator is the new broodlord + infestor

  • @polygondwanaland8390
    @polygondwanaland8390 6 месяцев назад +1

    Holy shit, the ending of the first game. Long distance mine with 65 SCVs, run directly into hydras, gg

  • @Pacifica.Obscura
    @Pacifica.Obscura 6 месяцев назад

    Holy hell. That first game was probably the best TvZ I’ve seen since HOTS

  • @illiakuznietsov4162
    @illiakuznietsov4162 6 месяцев назад +1

    2:20 Raid shadow hellions

  • @tondekoddar7837
    @tondekoddar7837 6 месяцев назад

    24:22 Got bored doing excel one morning, did multiplayer pong on the grids across net :)

  • @teosandev6116
    @teosandev6116 6 месяцев назад

    "Your Majesty, let me mow your creep for but a pittance..." :D

  • @Markfr0mCanada
    @Markfr0mCanada 6 месяцев назад +1

    Don't. Kick. The turtle! Words Pig taught me which have immense value.

  • @chilt0n844
    @chilt0n844 6 месяцев назад +4

    keep it up winter u da man

  • @ace_of_laze
    @ace_of_laze 6 месяцев назад

    4:03 i chuckled

  • @JacksonJoseph-Eugene
    @JacksonJoseph-Eugene 6 месяцев назад

    mass hydra against terran is interesting. reduces the ghosts as expensive liabilities. Gives air control , love to see those medicacs explode, the terran is cornered. Also i imagine it's easier to control than lings/bane. with a few fungals, overseers, and support from vipers it's very good.

  • @Templarfreak
    @Templarfreak 5 месяцев назад

    i mean, the microbial shroud did _work_ didnt it :)

  • @EmilyRose0
    @EmilyRose0 5 месяцев назад

    "A normal man" is such a fitting description for any normal man playing vs Scarlett who is not a normal man ;)

  • @cathulionetharn5139
    @cathulionetharn5139 6 месяцев назад +3

    Thank You
    Om nom nom

  • @YuNherd
    @YuNherd 5 месяцев назад

    those pure hydra army have given me flashbacks on sc:broodwar big game hunters map... 10set, 3-3, hydra only, i got rekt.

  • @huguesyvanoe8908
    @huguesyvanoe8908 6 месяцев назад +1

    11.30 teaching fungus

  • @klejjmok
    @klejjmok 6 месяцев назад +1

    Damn it Winter. I liked when you asked me to, so now I can't like when I'm laughing at your Raid shadow legends joke.
    Thanks for all your uploads, you are the highlight of Starcraft 2 for me nowadays

  • @JCMiniPainting
    @JCMiniPainting 6 месяцев назад

    That last game was odd. Why no tech switch? I don't get it.

  • @simedinson984
    @simedinson984 6 месяцев назад

    Does the 1 reaper micro ever do anything?

  • @zhouzhouM3
    @zhouzhouM3 6 месяцев назад +1

    In china we call Scarlet the mother.(because she defeat old Time a lot)Although she is not the mother of Oliveira now but we still can see the mother's love from Scarlet😂Give us a wonderful BO3

    • @Aluzky.Irezumi
      @Aluzky.Irezumi 5 месяцев назад

      He* Scarlett is a man. Also, his name is spelt with double "T" so, you aren't even spelling his name correctly.

  • @WizardyDylan
    @WizardyDylan 6 месяцев назад

    what a satisfying last fight

  • @mikegarcia4808
    @mikegarcia4808 4 месяца назад

    KEEP EM COMIN BIG DOG!!

  • @freya1022
    @freya1022 6 месяцев назад

    Scarlet with full on galaxy brain in round 1.
    Mass queen/ling with ranged attack to defend then building Hydras. Great seeing the puzzle pieces of her plan fall into place so perfectly

    • @Aluzky.Irezumi
      @Aluzky.Irezumi 5 месяцев назад

      His* Scarlet is a man, not a woman.
      Also, his name is Scarlett with double T.
      You have horrible grammar.

  • @Ole_Rasmussen
    @Ole_Rasmussen 6 месяцев назад +1

    Maru has become the progamer equivalent of Doom.
    "Can it run Doom?"
    "Can they beat Maru?"
    If people are still wondering if Maru is the GOAT, consider this point.

    • @asdfasdf-mn8iu
      @asdfasdf-mn8iu 6 месяцев назад +1

      You know why nobody asks "can they beat serral?"? Because the answer is almost always "no", with the exception of clem and even he is not consistent on beating serral; so the question is kinda pointless.
      That is why serral is BY FAR the GOAT.

  • @FinioVega
    @FinioVega 6 месяцев назад +1

    oh you're a terran? :joy:

  • @costlyhornet9994
    @costlyhornet9994 6 месяцев назад

    Someone should sample the start and overlay it over each other, given how little the wording changes, might sound interesting

  • @geoffrichardson2728
    @geoffrichardson2728 6 месяцев назад

    It's ok Winter, we love the Queen roleplay. No need to pretend you're blacking out.

  • @Merkaba85
    @Merkaba85 6 месяцев назад

    Mass hydra is not an army, it's target practice for most of the units in the game. It looked liked Scarlett was testing some monobattle strats :)

  • @boewolf359
    @boewolf359 6 месяцев назад +1

    Raid shadow hellions... Briliant

  • @scavyboi
    @scavyboi 5 месяцев назад

    this is so fucking badass, I suck at starcraft but I love it

  • @jonathanhinkel8813
    @jonathanhinkel8813 5 месяцев назад +1

    Scarlett is my new favorite. I want to give her the nickname of Scarlett Kerrigan.

  • @danielm5371
    @danielm5371 6 месяцев назад

    Can you do some videos that are documentaries or autobiographies from the perspective of a single unit? Start the video with their birth/creation and end it upon their death. Your unit commentary is funny enough where I would love to see this.
    Brenda or the occasional unit that was created by mistake would make wonderful first topics.

  • @yugonostalgia8961
    @yugonostalgia8961 6 месяцев назад

    Damn Scarlett so fun to watch this series~

  • @mcgiro
    @mcgiro 6 месяцев назад

    What are the bonuses for each player listed at the beginning? For example, "Feudalism" and "Overgrowth" for Scarlett. Are these real mechanical changes? (Apologies if this is a dumb question.)

    • @ferrumurbis
      @ferrumurbis 5 месяцев назад +2

      I know I'm slightly late, but no they aren't real modifiers. Those are fun little references to how the players play their individual races. The different numbers on the cards (on each corner) are a reference to what their general skill level is in sc2 as well.

    • @ferrumurbis
      @ferrumurbis 5 месяцев назад +2

      Also there's no such thing as a stupid question. It's always a good thing to ask for information in life haha.

    • @topherelderkin6750
      @topherelderkin6750 5 месяцев назад

      Thank you so much :-) I appreciate the information and kind tone. Now I can enjoy them more as what they are!

    • @ferrumurbis
      @ferrumurbis 5 месяцев назад

      @topherelderkin6750 Well you're welcome! I'm glad to have been of some help.

  • @user-ff2bs3ht3v
    @user-ff2bs3ht3v 6 месяцев назад

    that scarletts creep is alway fast moving

  • @JSiuDev
    @JSiuDev 5 месяцев назад

    I thought I will never see hydra-ling in sc2 match😱

  • @ElSatanicHispanic
    @ElSatanicHispanic 6 месяцев назад +1

    Brought to you by Raid... cough* 😂

  • @CrimsonA1
    @CrimsonA1 6 месяцев назад +1

    22:51 laughing so hard right now XDDDDD

  • @malygos9301
    @malygos9301 5 месяцев назад

    Dude is the nerdy starcraft dr disrespect it's kind of hilarious

  • @bluex610
    @bluex610 6 месяцев назад

    At what point do you get a raven and stop wasting mules on scans? 😅

  • @dylanfalk3243
    @dylanfalk3243 6 месяцев назад +1

    Game three was.. a game

  • @Erati243
    @Erati243 6 месяцев назад

    @WinterStarcraft Jimmy needs to raise his numbers a bit cause you consistently get 3x his average!

  • @JDivinorumVideo
    @JDivinorumVideo 6 месяцев назад

    It's annoying Zerg doesn't have Infested Terrans anymore to counter siege tanks.

  • @tybofborg
    @tybofborg 5 месяцев назад

    Scene 1:
    Scarlett: What counters mass hydra?
    Oliveira: It's been a while since anyone asked that... tanks and ghosts, I guess?
    Scarlett: Okay, but what counters MORE mass hydra?
    Oliveira: Damn.
    Scene 2:
    Scarlett: What counters mass hydra?
    Oliveira: What counters mass marine?
    Scarlett: What mass mar... oh. Damn.
    Scene 3:
    Scarlett: What counters mass ling bane?
    Oliveira: 2/2 finishing just in the right moment, I guess?
    Scarlett: OH C'MON

  • @russd1048
    @russd1048 3 месяца назад

    Always watch winterSC at 1.5x.
    You’re welcome

  • @Quole1234
    @Quole1234 4 месяца назад

    Nice to see that marines are still as broken as ever.

  • @Markfr0mCanada
    @Markfr0mCanada 6 месяцев назад

    Guess what happens at 37:36
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Gotcha!

  • @drozdovblog
    @drozdovblog 6 месяцев назад

    Mass Hydralisks? Is this my ladder game?

  • @davidstud3952
    @davidstud3952 6 месяцев назад

    often seems ghosts would even be viable unit if they couldn't cast spell 😁

  • @davidhoskin7176
    @davidhoskin7176 5 месяцев назад

    The Queen or blades

  • @grahamgaming3
    @grahamgaming3 6 месяцев назад

    Shoulda said one of the best in Canada. Because triggers right there.

  • @matthew4107
    @matthew4107 5 месяцев назад

    my favourite part is where game 2 the tanks did nothing for the win :D

  • @routex1
    @routex1 6 месяцев назад +2

    I love watching the most professional Starcraft.

  • @nioofida256
    @nioofida256 6 месяцев назад

    For every hydralisk they kill, scarlet will build two more. Hail hydralisk!

  • @megmucklebones7538
    @megmucklebones7538 6 месяцев назад

    She seems to be doing this mass Hydra a lot and - apart from a few games, I've not seen her win.

    • @Aluzky.Irezumi
      @Aluzky.Irezumi 5 месяцев назад

      He* Him* Scarlett is a man. Not a woman.

  • @kalin666
    @kalin666 6 месяцев назад

    YO! . . . . . Where da Reaper ar?!

  • @panzerkunst9933
    @panzerkunst9933 6 месяцев назад

    SCARLETT SO STRONG !!

  • @JonathanMercure
    @JonathanMercure 6 месяцев назад

    They didnt nerf Bannelings, they nerfed Scarlett...

  • @laureloneiros1500
    @laureloneiros1500 6 месяцев назад

    Marine with stim and medivac healing beats hydras 1-to-1, idk why he was acting so scared

    • @laureloneiros1500
      @laureloneiros1500 6 месяцев назад

      Probably because mass ghost libs is just unbeatable, so there is no reason to risk anything else

  • @dregorerampin7439
    @dregorerampin7439 6 месяцев назад

    @WinterStarcraft Still platinum rank, Winter?

  • @gregoryevans1797
    @gregoryevans1797 6 месяцев назад

    MOOTAS

  • @at5598
    @at5598 6 месяцев назад

    TANKS AND MARINES

  • @hoanglongnguyen4680
    @hoanglongnguyen4680 6 месяцев назад

    fungal op zerg too op :)

  • @stevenayre1375
    @stevenayre1375 6 месяцев назад

    This likes for Jimmy!

  • @jesseweber5318
    @jesseweber5318 6 месяцев назад

    Would anyone be mad if Raid Shadow Legends started paying Winter for more SC content?

  • @Xgriphon
    @Xgriphon 6 месяцев назад

    Ghosts have too much utility...