the way you're so respectful of Gluck's identity is sincerely touching. its infuriating how most of the times this is not the case. I'm doing an investigation on them and most sources still call them "Hannah"
I don't understand why it's so hard to call people by their chosen names. I'm starting to go by my (gender neutral) Hebrew name, but some people will never get the hang of it.
@@SewardWriter there's no real reason except, at best, forgetfulness/ignorance, and at worst, a blatant lack of respect. Either way it sucks, and I feel your frustration.
It’s so wonderful to learn about a non-binary person from history! So many of them are erased out of hate and ignorance, so it’s beautiful to see someone respectful of a historical person’s identity!
I suppose most depictions of lesbian love are sexualised because the people who commissioned them were usually heterosexual men, and in my opinion, herein lies the difference. Gluck was not a heterosexual man, thus Gluck's depiction is authentic. And I suppose in that respect incredibly rare.
Same reason why a lot of fictional works nowadays (manga, fanfictions, etc.) about homosexual men are usually not accurate, because they are mostly written by heterosexual (or even homosexual) women due to a lack of homosexual men willing to express themselves. Just as mentioned in this video, sadly, homosexuality among men is reviled upon way more than women.
Yeah, I’m lesbian myself and I’m sick of not being able to be in a loving relationship with my wife without some creepy person making a sexual comment about the fact we’re a lesbian couple. The most authentic depictions of lesbian love are usually made by either lesbians or queer people.
Not too proud to say that during your explanation of using the term Queer, and using gender neutral pronouns for the artist, I burst into tears. I guess I didn't realize how much seeing artists similar to myself represented meant to me. Thank you.
Thank you so much for the beautiful comment! That topic will certainly get revisited in the future! Ig you're interested, I also made a short video on David Hockey's Portrait of an Artist! It portrays the love story between David Hockney and Peter Schlesinger. Enjoy!!
@@moth9659 yes! i finished it a year ago so i’ll have to look for the bibliography but i’m sure i have it somewhere. i’ll look for it and i could send it to you, do you have an email address? they’re mostly articles but i think there’s a couple videos too.
The intelligent content: my reason for returning to your video library on a nearly daily basis. IMHO you are one of the best art channels on RUclips, along with CAI my other favorite.
I thought you stopped making videos because I didn't see any in my subscription feed for quite some time. I guess these days, if you don't hit the bell icon, you won't know a video was posted if it's a small channel. By the end, I was glad I watched this one, even though the subject doesn't really interest me. I like your idea about the painting being a depiction of love as a source of meaning rather than just sexual gratification. If the dialogue around queer relationships would focus on providing paths to empathy rather than the politics of guilt of victimization, people on the outside like myself would feel much less vexed and would be much more accepeting. I have to say, I almost liked the self-portrait you briefly showed at 9:14 more than the piece the video is about. The look on Glucks face is really fascinating. There is pride in the raised chin, but also pain and sadness in the eyes as well as something like judgement. It's a very comlex emotion. I am really impressed by it.
I'm very happy that Gluck's video is the one you're coming back to! I absolutely agree with you! That portrait is extremely nuanced and ambiguous and those two things really gives it its strength! Thank you for your feedback and thanks for the encouragement!
i had no idea this person existed until now. they resonate with me and i see a bit of myself in them. thank you for making a video about them, especially in a time when many people would claim that being queer is a "trend" and they didn't see people like us in the past, when we were simply silenced, ignored, or oppressed entirely.
The thing that always gets me is how comfortable people tend to be with lesbian couples vs gay men or bisexual. I know that somethings male couples are represented, but by comparison people are always more comfortable with lesbians. Just think it’s odd.
I think it's got something to do with society seeing men as predatory. Women are viewed to be meek, so lesbian representation is not really frowned upon in today's media. It's more noticeable in children's cartoons where lesbian couples are being explicitly showed as couples like PB and Marceline.
@@Lizzifer7 that was around 2012-2013, where anything queer was not allowed. However afterwards there was a noticeable trend of queer women in kids shows as opposed to queer men
@@bweeeeniee1131 historically it used to be that women's sexuality was invisible when it didn't involve a man or some form of penetrative sex. I think that baggage still carries over today.
There are a number of things that lead to this. -The fetishization of lesbianism as mentioned in the video that means a lot of heterosexual men don't mind lesbian relationships because they find them hot (while also simultaneously often assuming that a woman can't possibly actually be satisfied with relationships with other women and seeing lesbianism as a phase or thing that exists for the purpose of threesomes). -The general wider acceptance of women showing affection in physical ways with each other. It's perfectly normal for women to hold hands, kiss each other on the cheeks, cuddle, etc. without any accusation of homosexuality as men might receive. So when that's taken one step further to kissing on the lips it can easily be seen as quite chaste by some. (See r/sapphoandherfriend for a lot of examples of this.) -The underlying misogyny behind a lot of homophobia. A huge part of the reason that gay men are shunned is because liking men is seen as a feminine trait, and we live in a society in which femininity is seen as generally worse than masculinity. When a woman takes on a masculine trait (here: liking women) that can be easily seen as an upgrade (see also: girlboss culture). Essentially it's the same reason why women can wear pants but men can't wear dresses.
Thank you for such a well researched and respectful video. It is often difficult for those of us in the queer community to find resources and information about our queer history. It is still so commonplace to find our history continually boiled down as though we are solely objects of shock and awe and not complex humans experiencing a complex existence just like anyone else. Thank you for offering a video that treats the work and the artist with respect and contemplation instead of mockingly scandalous.
Yeah I thought she couldn't be more cool and ahead of her time than I already thought, and now I discover she even recognized non-binary gender identity!? Hell yeah, f*cking icon!
Thank you so much for the female/non-binary/queer representation. We are so undervalued in general. It seems to me that the queer art world in particular is very male dominated. Gluck is a serious hottie! Where can I meet someone like that?
thanks por este material que sin duda utilizaré en mis clases de Arte; gracias por acercarnos a cuadros como el de Gluck que habla del amor entre personas más allá de su género
Very interesting video indeed, thank you. Just want to note that as I was searching for more info about Gluck, I found out that the pic of two ( 5:25 ), represents not Gluck with Nesta but Gluck with Edith Heald. Could you clear up, who is on the photo in fact?
Thank you so much for not using she/her pronouns on them and for using their preferred name. I'm studying them for art class and most of the sources I've come across refer to them as a women with she/her pronouns, and still use the name "Hannah"
Hello friend! The video is not out yet, but, as I will explain in the video, I'm using the term queer just because Gluck refused to be labelled a woman. I felt bad calling someone who refused to be called a woman (and rejected their female name) a lesbian. Just for the sake of simplicity, I use queer as an umbrella term for nonheterosexual.
@@TheCanvasArtHistory Queer is a male sexuality, which has been purloined by radical feminists (Butler et al.). That changes nothing, queerness is a male problem and as shown by the lesbianism dabates in the UK parliament in the 1920's, not a female one. FYI: Transindentity has nothing to do with sexuality. Do not mix the two (as here). But otherwise well researched.
Interesting how you are deleting my comments. All I am saying that people should give someone permission to call them queer. Yes some believe as you do, for my generation as well as hers it was a means to humiliate. For some it was the last thing they heard before beaten unconscious or beaten to death.
I’m sorry that you have had such horrible experiences with the term, but ‘queer’ is no longer considered a slur by much of the current generation of lgbt people. For example, ‘queer theory’ is a general term used for lgbt studies that isn’t inherently offensive. I wouldn’t mind being labeled as queer, and many of my LGBT friends wouldn’t either, as long as it’s not used in a derogatory way. I don’t think he meant any harm, and by using queer as an umbrella term he’s validating non-binary people.
to bring a negative connotation to “queer” is more harmful in my opinion. it is as much as an umbrella term as homosexual is. but I see where you’re coming from
@@clareification I hear you but to pronounce everyone queer because they perhaps identify with one of the 5+ letters (lgtbq+)is not right. Many of the us don’t want to labeled queer. Everyone should have the respect paid to them to be able to choose as how they wish to be referred. Just as people get to choose their gender identifier.
Gluck would have never used the term queer. Stop using terms that were not used in a positive way the time those people were alive. Gluck was an adrogyneous butch lesbian like many others during that time (Radclyffe Hall, Romaine Brooks, Gertrude Stein, Natalie Barney...). Gluck and her lover Nesta Oberma referred both to each other also as “wives” not only "husband and wife". Using a gender-neutral name as a woman had more to to with the fact that woman at that time had no chance to be successful. ---- Plus: Emma Goldman was taking about homosexuals and not about non-binarys. The term gender she used was similar to sex.
This was fine except for your ridiculous use of plural pronouns for a singular person. Nonsense. Shame on you for your participation on dumbing down language.
We have always been plural pronouns to people of heat achievements. You dumb call a lung by his name but His Majesty's, suns or whatever the culture deems good
This video demonstrates the idiocy of referring to a person as a "their" sounding like the speaker is ignorant of the English language. I am a gay male and i find this so affected and phony.
the way you're so respectful of Gluck's identity is sincerely touching. its infuriating how most of the times this is not the case. I'm doing an investigation on them and most sources still call them "Hannah"
I don't understand why it's so hard to call people by their chosen names. I'm starting to go by my (gender neutral) Hebrew name, but some people will never get the hang of it.
@@SewardWriter there's no real reason except, at best, forgetfulness/ignorance, and at worst, a blatant lack of respect. Either way it sucks, and I feel your frustration.
@@jokig yes, I am disrespectful
@@SewardWriter Why was she like this? Gluck, I mean. Her mind was clearly troubled.
No one dares to be other than "respectful", even if 99% of the sex/gender crap is absolutely absurd.
It’s so wonderful to learn about a non-binary person from history! So many of them are erased out of hate and ignorance, so it’s beautiful to see someone respectful of a historical person’s identity!
I suppose most depictions of lesbian love are sexualised because the people who commissioned them were usually heterosexual men, and in my opinion, herein lies the difference. Gluck was not a heterosexual man, thus Gluck's depiction is authentic. And I suppose in that respect incredibly rare.
Same reason why a lot of fictional works nowadays (manga, fanfictions, etc.) about homosexual men are usually not accurate, because they are mostly written by heterosexual (or even homosexual) women due to a lack of homosexual men willing to express themselves. Just as mentioned in this video, sadly, homosexuality among men is reviled upon way more than women.
Yeah, I’m lesbian myself and I’m sick of not being able to be in a loving relationship with my wife without some creepy person making a sexual comment about the fact we’re a lesbian couple. The most authentic depictions of lesbian love are usually made by either lesbians or queer people.
Not too proud to say that during your explanation of using the term Queer, and using gender neutral pronouns for the artist, I burst into tears. I guess I didn't realize how much seeing artists similar to myself represented meant to me. Thank you.
Hi how are you doing?
Beautifully told, edited, and researched. Thank you for your hard work on such an important topic. Maybe showcase gay art next?
Thank you so much for the beautiful comment! That topic will certainly get revisited in the future!
Ig you're interested, I also made a short video on David Hockey's Portrait of an Artist! It portrays the love story between David Hockney and Peter Schlesinger. Enjoy!!
This whole video is just so beautiful and respectful. Just...woah
Thank you so much!
It’s shocking. Absolutely mentally it stuff.
As a non-binary person: Thank you. Thank you so much.
Very well written and presented content! We appreciate it!
Thank you! That's very sweet! I'm happy the work is appreciated!
Thank you so much for this content. Thank you for treating Gluck's legacy and their gender identity with so much respect.
I really like the way it is explained, and how respectful and wholesome this subject is.
I'm doing an investigation of Gluck and this video was not only beautiful but extremely helpful, thank you!
Do you have any other sources you used for your investigation? I want to learn more about the artist but I can’t find more videos about them
@@moth9659 yes! i finished it a year ago so i’ll have to look for the bibliography but i’m sure i have it somewhere. i’ll look for it and i could send it to you, do you have an email address? they’re mostly articles but i think there’s a couple videos too.
The intelligent content: my reason for returning to your video library on a nearly daily basis. IMHO you are one of the best art channels on RUclips, along with CAI my other favorite.
Thank u sm for this. As a queer person I feel so educated and respected at the same time
I thought you stopped making videos because I didn't see any in my subscription feed for quite some time. I guess these days, if you don't hit the bell icon, you won't know a video was posted if it's a small channel.
By the end, I was glad I watched this one, even though the subject doesn't really interest me. I like your idea about the painting being a depiction of love as a source of meaning rather than just sexual gratification. If the dialogue around queer relationships would focus on providing paths to empathy rather than the politics of guilt of victimization, people on the outside like myself would feel much less vexed and would be much more accepeting.
I have to say, I almost liked the self-portrait you briefly showed at 9:14 more than the piece the video is about. The look on Glucks face is really fascinating. There is pride in the raised chin, but also pain and sadness in the eyes as well as something like judgement. It's a very comlex emotion. I am really impressed by it.
I'm very happy that Gluck's video is the one you're coming back to!
I absolutely agree with you! That portrait is extremely nuanced and ambiguous and those two things really gives it its strength!
Thank you for your feedback and thanks for the encouragement!
As a transgender woman Im really grateful for this kind of content💜
i had no idea this person existed until now. they resonate with me and i see a bit of myself in them. thank you for making a video about them, especially in a time when many people would claim that being queer is a "trend" and they didn't see people like us in the past, when we were simply silenced, ignored, or oppressed entirely.
The thing that always gets me is how comfortable people tend to be with lesbian couples vs gay men or bisexual.
I know that somethings male couples are represented, but by comparison people are always more comfortable with lesbians.
Just think it’s odd.
I think it's got something to do with society seeing men as predatory. Women are viewed to be meek, so lesbian representation is not really frowned upon in today's media. It's more noticeable in children's cartoons where lesbian couples are being explicitly showed as couples like PB and Marceline.
@@bweeeeniee1131 but legend of Korra got cancelled (on Nickelodeon) because she was lesbian 😭
@@Lizzifer7 that was around 2012-2013, where anything queer was not allowed. However afterwards there was a noticeable trend of queer women in kids shows as opposed to queer men
@@bweeeeniee1131 historically it used to be that women's sexuality was invisible when it didn't involve a man or some form of penetrative sex. I think that baggage still carries over today.
There are a number of things that lead to this.
-The fetishization of lesbianism as mentioned in the video that means a lot of heterosexual men don't mind lesbian relationships because they find them hot (while also simultaneously often assuming that a woman can't possibly actually be satisfied with relationships with other women and seeing lesbianism as a phase or thing that exists for the purpose of threesomes).
-The general wider acceptance of women showing affection in physical ways with each other. It's perfectly normal for women to hold hands, kiss each other on the cheeks, cuddle, etc. without any accusation of homosexuality as men might receive. So when that's taken one step further to kissing on the lips it can easily be seen as quite chaste by some. (See r/sapphoandherfriend for a lot of examples of this.)
-The underlying misogyny behind a lot of homophobia. A huge part of the reason that gay men are shunned is because liking men is seen as a feminine trait, and we live in a society in which femininity is seen as generally worse than masculinity. When a woman takes on a masculine trait (here: liking women) that can be easily seen as an upgrade (see also: girlboss culture). Essentially it's the same reason why women can wear pants but men can't wear dresses.
This is a respectful video i appreciate that
Quality video as always!! Thank you:)
No thank YOU Valentina!
And are you going to cover Male homoerotic art? From the Greeks to Tom of Finland or Arthur Tress maybe?
Thank you for such a well researched and respectful video. It is often difficult for those of us in the queer community to find resources and information about our queer history. It is still so commonplace to find our history continually boiled down as though we are solely objects of shock and awe and not complex humans experiencing a complex existence just like anyone else. Thank you for offering a video that treats the work and the artist with respect and contemplation instead of mockingly scandalous.
I only watched two videos so far but fell in love with this channel
This was gorgeous. Thank you for introducing me to Gluck!
how tf does this only have 160 views
Wow, this needs more views
Wonderful video with beautiful production! Your channel has grown so much, but even your past videos were simply amazing 🤩
Very interesting video
Emma Goldman was incredibly based. Power to her!!!
Yeah I thought she couldn't be more cool and ahead of her time than I already thought, and now I discover she even recognized non-binary gender identity!? Hell yeah, f*cking icon!
Thank you so much for the female/non-binary/queer representation. We are so undervalued in general. It seems to me that the queer art world in particular is very male dominated. Gluck is a serious hottie! Where can I meet someone like that?
There's many afab non-binary people that are very prominent in media I'd argue more than amab non-binary
@@Chuckyyy1988 I'm just pointing out a common occurrence that I see in media. I'm not dividing anything
great video! thank you for introducing to such an amazing artist
this video is amazing omg
Thank you so much Jimmy!!
The Canvas: this video is VERY IMPORTANT!
🌈Thank you 🌈thank you thank you🌈
Shut up.
Another great video!
Thank you Vito!!
Of course this video has a single dislike lmao. Art should be challenging!
Such an interesting video, thanks for sharing!
Great video, insightful. Thank you ❤❤❤❤
Valeu!
Fascinating history. Thank you.
from a lesbian, thank you so much for making this video
J Edgar Hoover called her the most "Dangerous women in America" Well Mary now we know different.
thanks por este material que sin duda utilizaré en mis clases de Arte; gracias por acercarnos a cuadros como el de Gluck que habla del amor entre personas más allá de su género
Very interesting video indeed, thank you.
Just want to note that as I was searching for more info about Gluck, I found out that the pic of two ( 5:25 ), represents not Gluck with Nesta but Gluck with Edith Heald. Could you clear up, who is on the photo in fact?
Thankyou so much for sharing!~
doesnt matter. the art is wonderful
I hate learning about people i will never be able to befriend. She sounds like such a cool person.
they sound like
briliant!
Thank you so much for not using she/her pronouns on them and for using their preferred name. I'm studying them for art class and most of the sources I've come across refer to them as a women with she/her pronouns, and still use the name "Hannah"
Nonbinary Lesbians Holla
Absolutely loved this ❤
Historians: They were uhm-uh- alter egos
Either that, or room mates!
What is the purpose of a mirror?
this was so interesting!!!
💔
whether gay or not the artwork is beautiful. so whats the prob?
How is representation of QUEER sexuality in art history problematic ?
I really appreciate this video and the beautiful way you told the story of Gluck
Lesbian, not queer. Lesbian isn’t a dirty word. Gluck was a lesbian.
Hello friend!
The video is not out yet, but, as I will explain in the video, I'm using the term queer just because Gluck refused to be labelled a woman. I felt bad calling someone who refused to be called a woman (and rejected their female name) a lesbian. Just for the sake of simplicity, I use queer as an umbrella term for nonheterosexual.
Thank you. He doesn’t recognize that individuals should give their permission before labeling anyone as queer. It is not an excepted term.
@@TheCanvasArtHistory Queer is a male sexuality, which has been purloined by radical feminists (Butler et al.). That changes nothing, queerness is a male problem and as shown by the lesbianism dabates in the UK parliament in the 1920's, not a female one. FYI: Transindentity has nothing to do with sexuality. Do not mix the two (as here). But otherwise well researched.
stop erasing lesbians
And of course... It had to be a j** 👃
Interesting how you are deleting my comments. All I am saying that people should give someone permission to call them queer. Yes some believe as you do, for my generation as well as hers it was a means to humiliate. For some it was the last thing they heard before beaten unconscious or beaten to death.
I’m sorry that you have had such horrible experiences with the term, but ‘queer’ is no longer considered a slur by much of the current generation of lgbt people. For example, ‘queer theory’ is a general term used for lgbt studies that isn’t inherently offensive. I wouldn’t mind being labeled as queer, and many of my LGBT friends wouldn’t either, as long as it’s not used in a derogatory way. I don’t think he meant any harm, and by using queer as an umbrella term he’s validating non-binary people.
@@anotherworldhopper5344 by who. It is to a whole lot of us.
I believe it all depends on the context
to bring a negative connotation to “queer” is more harmful in my opinion. it is as much as an umbrella term as homosexual is. but I see where you’re coming from
@@clareification I hear you but to pronounce everyone queer because they perhaps identify with one of the 5+ letters (lgtbq+)is not right. Many of the us don’t want to labeled queer. Everyone should have the respect paid to them to be able to choose as how they wish to be referred. Just as people get to choose their gender identifier.
I just wanted to say whether you are straight or gay or lesbian either way Jesus loves you and watch to be your savior. Peter
So long as don’t practise sexual acts. You forgot that.
Gluck would have never used the term queer. Stop using terms that were not used in a positive way the time those people were alive. Gluck was an adrogyneous butch lesbian like many others during that time (Radclyffe Hall, Romaine Brooks, Gertrude Stein, Natalie Barney...). Gluck and her lover Nesta Oberma referred both to each other also as “wives” not only "husband and wife". Using a gender-neutral name as a woman had more to to with the fact that woman at that time had no chance to be successful. ---- Plus: Emma Goldman was taking about homosexuals and not about non-binarys. The term gender she used was similar to sex.
interesting how queer ppl still perform the Man/Woman dynamic
imagine living your life only to be known as gluck when you die
That's what they called themselves???
I just wanted to say that the Lord Jesus Christ love you very much and died on the cross at Calvary for you.
Stop being ridiculous .. they cannot practise sexual acts . It seems tome this is what it represents.
This was fine except for your ridiculous use of plural pronouns for a singular person. Nonsense. Shame on you for your participation on dumbing down language.
We have always been plural pronouns to people of heat achievements. You dumb call a lung by his name but His Majesty's, suns or whatever the culture deems good
This video demonstrates the idiocy of referring to a person as a "their" sounding like the speaker is ignorant of the English language. I am a gay male and i find this so affected and phony.
search up ' singular they ' if it's so hard to understand. you sound ignorant.
Valeu!