I’m a Dawg and I agree with Charlie. But Penn State? They’ve looked worse with a much easier schedule. Feels like they put teams where they want and defend it later. And aren’t afraid to move use opposite criteria in the same argument
Strength of schedule is a made up fantasy that keeps the media in control of rankings and thus controls ability to make sure big teams with big ratings play on their channels. Why bother having conferences at all if they are just going to cherry pick lesser teams from stronger conferences to fill in playoff spots
Yea but how good is that strength of schedule when they lose !! They would have proven they don’t belong because they lost and honestly why don’t they talk about how rough florida schedule has been !!
@@shekelberggoldstein1387💯 it's pathetic maybe Oregon and Ohio state in the playoff that's it none of the other big 10 teams should be the schedules they play are a joke for instance look at oregons schedule the only 2 tuff games they played #13 boise state they barely won 34 to 37 and Ohio state which they won buy a point the rest of their schedule is a joke teams like miami byu Indiana notre dame Penn st etc have no business being in the playoffs the sec is gonna dominant
Just get rid of conference championship games and move to 16 teams playoffs. Top 2 ranked teams from each power 4 conferences get automatic bids. Then the next top 4 ranked teams not in the power 4 conferences get automatic bids. The last 4 remaining teams are at large bids by the next 4 highest ranked teams. The 1st 2 rounds should be adjusted so no team that played each other during the regular season or that are in the same conference play each other in the 1st 2 rounds. This accomplishes 2 things. It eliminates the probability that any team plays against each other more than twice. It also determines which conferences are the best by which conferences actually make it to the Final Four.
They need to let 3 loss teams be out the play off and allow smaller teams to have a chance at the playoffs they’re ruining the game by saying if you’re in this conference you don’t get in with 1 loss which will make recruiting harder for smaller schools. They need to figure out a better system or get ride of conferences
@@neneshubbySimple Indiana is not a super power team they are 10-0 for the first time in recent memory. Ohio State is a original powerhouse in the Big 10 compete every year. Oregon is a great former pac 12 school who was great last year and carried over into the Big 10. While beating Ohio State posting undefeated record. Penn State a traditional Big 10 power at least always third place. This season undefeated outside of losing to Ohio State. Anything else to clear up why those teams ranked high ?
I just caught Finebaum and ESPN lying on Indiana on the SEC network.He flashed up Indiana wins he showed in the graphic Indiana 20-15 over Charlotte real score Ind 52-14 also WIllinois was 77-3 Indiana on Paul's graphic it was 31-17.Espn the Letia James of lying.Shame Shame Shame maybe I send the screen shot to Indiana's AD😢
In all seriousness, what is the use of Strength of Schedule when Strength of Record exists? Isn't Strength of Record just Strength of Schedule with the added component of how you played against the schedule?
The reason they both exist is to be able to endlessly glaze the SEC as being the best conference every single year and skew the odds in their favor of getting at least 1 team into the natty every year. It’s the same reason preseason polls exist. So the biased clowns can put over half the SEC in the top 25 at the start of the season so they will always win the “SOS” and “SOR” debate.
Reece, I love how you started this. Oregon has been disrespected for years bc they were in the pac 12. If you want to complain, even last yr Oregon only lost to Washington. Looking how the yr played out, Oregon should have been third in the playoffs. But we weren’t. Sorry but the sec isn’t as good as they use to be but all these people want to value their wins and losses based on reputation. Reputation of individual teams and the conference. I love that the first year in the 12 team playoff, a pac team is leading the way. And head to head, best game to best game, no one is even close to Oregon. Key is there, a teams best game vs another teams best game. Oregon and Ohio are on the top. I would leave five spots blank and in that situation, then you could put those others.
Rece is right- things are going to change a lot in the next two weeks, so this ranking is not worth getting too upset about. That said, it is frustrating that strength of schedule isn't valued enough because, when quality losses aren't valued, it discourages tough matchups and instead incentivizes every team to have as easy of a schedule as possible.
SOS/SOR is a made up metric to make the mid tier SEC teams seem unbeatable and so tough due to them recruiting a bunch of star rankings also made up by the media...
How is strength of schedule calculated? One of the hardest things to do is win on the road in College Football, obviously some stadiums are tougher than others. So a close loss on the road against a highly ranked team should matter as should a close win on the road against a highly ranked team. I think NIL and the transfer portal has created a lot of parity in the game now which is great!
I will say this: if Tennessee beats Georgia, and Georgia still finds a way into the playoff then this needs to be the last year for this playoff format. I feel like that takes away from the sport. It would show that it’s not about how you do on the field. It would be more about who has the bigger name and it becomes more of a popularity contest. You can make the case for a popularity contest when it was only four teams. Now that you have 12, you need to show that it is more about the talent than the name Records need to be held in a bigger way
I get what you’re saying but UGA has the hardest schedule of all the teams and that has to count for something. It’s easy to win a heavy weight match if you don’t see Tyson or Holyfield.
The reason the rankings matter from week to week is not about the seeding but the margin of error. When IU and BYU were 8 and 9, they would have been out with one loss. Now at 5 and 6, they could likely survive one loss.
Last year proved they don’t have consistent criteria. Never once heard “best 4 teams” then they talked about it like it was obvious, to justify keeping FSU out (which most agreed with in principle)
What’s the point of having conferences if they’re just going to cherry pick teams from “stronger “ conferences to fill playoff spots. Strength of schedule is a made up fantasy of the media to control which major market colleges are going to the playoffs to have better ratings on tv not about finding an actual national champion
Imagine if BIG10 also ONLY played 8 Conf games!? That adds a win to ALL the Conf. and take away a lost to HALF the Conf. So those "nobodies" ur saying Indiana & Penn St played, would actually b Top25 teams. SEC has a built-in cheat code by only playing 8 Conf games which inflates SOS
The big 10 plays an extra game but unfortunately it's against another big 10 team. There's 2 elite teams in the big 10 and a good Penn St team and that's it. Penn State would be the 6th best team in the sec. Maybe if usc , Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa started playing good football again this perception would change
Reese, answer this, when are the strength of schedule determined? Looks like to me if they were adjusted as the year goes on, those “strengths” of schedule would look way different. You are assuming a team is going to be good or hard to beat when in reality they are horrible. Strength of schedule is objective and bias. The beauty of this system is non of that matters. Just saying
Winning out has to matter whatever the conference! Losses cant hold alot of weight if so whats the point in having this. Team loses they move down another moves up! Gotta be satisfied with the unnormal!
So let me ask people this: if Mercer somehow pulls off the impossible and beat Alabama and gives Alabama their loss, do they deserve to be in the playoffs? There are another top team in the SEC and they’ve lost against Tennessee and Vanderbilt, but they have a tough schedule.
The media is saying the wrong thing. The committee isnt valuing the losing, their valueing NOT losing. Then theyre comparing who youre winning/losing against. SOR is a made up metric bc its based off who ESPN THINKS is tough. For all we know Indiana could literally beat every SEC team. Then what? You dont know till they play. At this pt, B1G beat all the SEC teams this year. Therefore B1G can be perceived better than SEC. Doesnt matter outside of the top 4, the rest are mid bc USC beat LSU. Therefore all we know USC is better than 2/3rd of the SEC atm (due to who LSU beat).
No more than 3 teams per conference and that’s based on wins. If teams don’t like it change conferences. Sec took Ls this season and we make excuses for them. Focus on wins. If u don’t like it join another conference and dominate there
Rece ur full of it!! Where was this SOS talk last yr when Georgia had a absolute pathetic schedule in the hundreds!? The SEC is at best average. Save the propaganda
And coaching moves has anybody ever thought about North Carolina going to get the Minnesota coach ran the boat I think he can only do so much there is nobody talking about going to grab the Marshall coach or the northern Illinois coach
Rece, dude. Stop gaslighting people. We all know what is the most valuable. Quality wins, which BY DEFINITION means against quality opponents. That’s why Miami shouldn’t be a Top Ten team NOR ND or PSU. The only reason they are is because they don’t have multiple losses. But at least ND has one quality win to somewhat offset a home loss to an abominable competition.
Rankings VS Ratings . I'll take ratings thank you very much. Computers are still more accurate besides for human errors such as injuries and things like that that a computer can't pick up that's when the committee could come in and it just the ratings that computers put out and fix a team or two that might be one or two spots too low Etc. I would love to see 75% ratings adjusted by human rankings ( popularity contest and only wins and losses matter)25%. Handicappers all over the world use ratings instead of rankings and that's why they're more accurate. Almost any great handicapper will tell you that Georgia was the best team in the country last year and I agree. I think the committee just did not want three championships in a row by Georgia and the SEC
Also, it would not be a bad thing if Georgia was not in the first set of playoffs when they are 12 teams. Let some of the other teams shine. We don’t need to always see the same teams over and over.
Georgia had the #1 hardest schedule in all of college football and has only played 3 home games. How does that not factor in to anything. They got dropped the week they were off and the week they won but all that “criteria” doesn’t apply to them.
@ beat the team that was ranked number one and didn’t loose to any unranked teams like several of the teams ahead of them but you’re saying it doesn’t matter 😂😂 yeah ok
If Indiana beats Ohio State, and Michigan upsets Ohio State then Ohio State isn't getting in. Nobody is getting in on 3 losses besides a conference champion
Texas is better than Georgia after a huge rivalry win versus Oklahoma they had a homecoming game with distractions and of course it's hard to get up for two giant games like that in a row. Ole Miss Notre Dame also lost on homecoming to Kentucky and Northern Illinois so I dismissed homecoming losses to an extent
UGA will NOT be in the CFP Miami would beat that beckentein sprinkler with a rake in it by 2 TDS Kirby lost talent at all positions UF beats them with Lagway -LOLOLOLOL
26:40 it doesn’t matter who the QB is at FSU if he’s playing behind this god awful offensive line. It’s the absolute worst OL I’ve ever seen at Florida State.
Georgia has not looked like a championship level team in 4 of their games at least. That's not great.
What ranked team did Penn State beat?
@@BPierce777exactly if penn state had their schedule penn state wouldn’t even be ranked
I’m a Dawg and I agree with Charlie. But Penn State? They’ve looked worse with a much easier schedule. Feels like they put teams where they want and defend it later. And aren’t afraid to move use opposite criteria in the same argument
Who has?
I value wins AGAINST QUALITY COMPETITION. Strength of schedule should matter.
As long as you are a Power 4 team, record means more than anything. Committee has shown that.
Strength of schedule is a joke..... It means whatever you want it to mean......Its as valuable as what you leave in the toilet bowl.
Strength of schedule is a made up fantasy that keeps the media in control of rankings and thus controls ability to make sure big teams with big ratings play on their channels. Why bother having conferences at all if they are just going to cherry pick lesser teams from stronger conferences to fill in playoff spots
Its like making 100,000 a year being a janitor or a doctor 100,000 dollars is a 100,000 dollars who cares win is a win
Yea but how good is that strength of schedule when they lose !! They would have proven they don’t belong because they lost and honestly why don’t they talk about how rough florida schedule has been !!
The eye test is not part of the criteria 😂 everybody got different eyes, we can see the win/loss column and the team ranking
That's just a weasel way to be biased.
The eye test is literally part of the criteria though? Best team is the first criteria.
NO 3 LOSS TEAMS IN THE PLAYOFFS. BE BETTER AND WIN YOUR GAMES.
Everyone can't play in big 12 acc, or Big 10... There should only be 1 Big 10 team in the playoff and no big 12 teams! What a joke!
@@shekelberggoldstein1387umm big 10 just won a natty this year so why 1 team
@@shekelberggoldstein1387💯 it's pathetic maybe Oregon and Ohio state in the playoff that's it none of the other big 10 teams should be the schedules they play are a joke for instance look at oregons schedule the only 2 tuff games they played #13 boise state they barely won 34 to 37 and Ohio state which they won buy a point the rest of their schedule is a joke teams like miami byu Indiana notre dame Penn st etc have no business being in the playoffs the sec is gonna dominant
Just cap it at no more than three teams per league
@@shekelberggoldstein1387😂🤡
8 way tie in the SEC would be lit don’t care what anyone say
Just get rid of conference championship games and move to 16 teams playoffs. Top 2 ranked teams from each power 4 conferences get automatic bids. Then the next top 4 ranked teams not in the power 4 conferences get automatic bids. The last 4 remaining teams are at large bids by the next 4 highest ranked teams. The 1st 2 rounds should be adjusted so no team that played each other during the regular season or that are in the same conference play each other in the 1st 2 rounds. This accomplishes 2 things. It eliminates the probability that any team plays against each other more than twice. It also determines which conferences are the best by which conferences actually make it to the Final Four.
Just do 8 teams and no auto bids
@Bdon-tf2 so just 4 teams from the SEC vs 4 teams from the Big Ten?
@ it would probably be 3 b10, 3 sec, 1 b12, and 1 acc
They need to let 3 loss teams be out the play off and allow smaller teams to have a chance at the playoffs they’re ruining the game by saying if you’re in this conference you don’t get in with 1 loss which will make recruiting harder for smaller schools. They need to figure out a better system or get ride of conferences
For me it’s always about who have you beaten, not who have you lost to.
Well who have these teams beaten out of the SEC ?
That's stupid by that logic Vandy should be in
That’s good old Meep Davis right there! Great host of GameDay!!!!
Looks like it is still the SEC Invitational.
Not quite, there is 5 SEC and 4 Big 10. They accidentally mark Indiana as SEC for some reason
I know SEC bias is an easy upvote but 4 of the top 5 are B1G so how is it SEC invitational? You’ve got to explain that to me.
@@neneshubbySimple Indiana is not a super power team they are 10-0 for the first time in recent memory. Ohio State is a original powerhouse in the Big 10 compete every year. Oregon is a great former pac 12 school who was great last year and carried over into the Big 10. While beating Ohio State posting undefeated record. Penn State a traditional Big 10 power at least always third place. This season undefeated outside of losing to Ohio State. Anything else to clear up why those teams ranked high ?
I just caught Finebaum and ESPN lying on Indiana on the SEC network.He flashed up Indiana wins he showed in the graphic Indiana 20-15 over Charlotte real score Ind 52-14 also WIllinois was 77-3 Indiana on Paul's graphic it was 31-17.Espn the Letia James of lying.Shame Shame Shame maybe I send the screen shot to Indiana's AD😢
In all seriousness, what is the use of Strength of Schedule when Strength of Record exists? Isn't Strength of Record just Strength of Schedule with the added component of how you played against the schedule?
The reason they both exist is to be able to endlessly glaze the SEC as being the best conference every single year and skew the odds in their favor of getting at least 1 team into the natty every year. It’s the same reason preseason polls exist. So the biased clowns can put over half the SEC in the top 25 at the start of the season so they will always win the “SOS” and “SOR” debate.
Yep, SOS/SOR is a made up metric based off your star ratings. Not what you actually look like and do on the field.
Reece, I love how you started this. Oregon has been disrespected for years bc they were in the pac 12. If you want to complain, even last yr Oregon only lost to Washington. Looking how the yr played out, Oregon should have been third in the playoffs. But we weren’t. Sorry but the sec isn’t as good as they use to be but all these people want to value their wins and losses based on reputation. Reputation of individual teams and the conference. I love that the first year in the 12 team playoff, a pac team is leading the way. And head to head, best game to best game, no one is even close to Oregon. Key is there, a teams best game vs another teams best game. Oregon and Ohio are on the top. I would leave five spots blank and in that situation, then you could put those others.
I don’t think Indiana is an SEC team
😂😂Yeah I don't know how they messed that up. Indiana has always been a Big Ten team.
Would’ve watched this earlier if it was just titled: EJ Manuel joins the show.
Rece is right- things are going to change a lot in the next two weeks, so this ranking is not worth getting too upset about. That said, it is frustrating that strength of schedule isn't valued enough because, when quality losses aren't valued, it discourages tough matchups and instead incentivizes every team to have as easy of a schedule as possible.
exactly 💯
@@franklinbrandon5283SEC invented the quality loss for a reason
SOS/SOR is a made up metric to make the mid tier SEC teams seem unbeatable and so tough due to them recruiting a bunch of star rankings also made up by the media...
How is strength of schedule calculated? One of the hardest things to do is win on the road in College Football, obviously some stadiums are tougher than others. So a close loss on the road against a highly ranked team should matter as should a close win on the road against a highly ranked team. I think NIL and the transfer portal has created a lot of parity in the game now which is great!
I will say this: if Tennessee beats Georgia, and Georgia still finds a way into the playoff then this needs to be the last year for this playoff format. I feel like that takes away from the sport. It would show that it’s not about how you do on the field. It would be more about who has the bigger name and it becomes more of a popularity contest. You can make the case for a popularity contest when it was only four teams. Now that you have 12, you need to show that it is more about the talent than the name Records need to be held in a bigger way
Exactly. You can almost say the same for Alabama in my opinion
TAKE YOUR L AND MOVE ON! WOOOOO!
@@WhitneyGadison1TAKE YOUR L AND MOVE ON! WOOOO!
I get what you’re saying but UGA has the hardest schedule of all the teams and that has to count for something. It’s easy to win a heavy weight match if you don’t see Tyson or Holyfield.
@@alanvtrollpatrol662 what L?😂 neither of them are my team
We all know that 'select the best teams' is NOT what they're about. That's ridiculous at this point.
I value putting the best teams in. The playoffs will decide #1
With the playoffs being expanded do conference championship games even matter?
The reason the rankings matter from week to week is not about the seeding but the margin of error. When IU and BYU were 8 and 9, they would have been out with one loss. Now at 5 and 6, they could likely survive one loss.
The CFP chooses who they want. Let’s just keep it a buck.
Last year proved they don’t have consistent criteria. Never once heard “best 4 teams” then they talked about it like it was obvious, to justify keeping FSU out (which most agreed with in principle)
WOULD COLORADO STILL BE VALUED IF DEON SANDERS WASN’T THE COACH?
It's not only how good are you at your best, but also, how bad are you at your worst.
What’s the point of having conferences if they’re just going to cherry pick teams from “stronger “ conferences to fill playoff spots. Strength of schedule is a made up fantasy of the media to control which major market colleges are going to the playoffs to have better ratings on tv not about finding an actual national champion
Preach
The committee should have to put $ money $ on every game based on the seedings each week. Then let’s see how they rank em
Imagine if BIG10 also ONLY played 8 Conf games!? That adds a win to ALL the Conf. and take away a lost to HALF the Conf. So those "nobodies" ur saying Indiana & Penn St played, would actually b Top25 teams. SEC has a built-in cheat code by only playing 8 Conf games which inflates SOS
The big 10 plays an extra game but unfortunately it's against another big 10 team. There's 2 elite teams in the big 10 and a good Penn St team and that's it. Penn State would be the 6th best team in the sec. Maybe if usc , Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa started playing good football again this perception would change
@givem110 USC stomped LSU mate
@knothyselfknotruth what does that mean? Usc has been disappointing and so has LSU.
@givem110 LSU was just in top 15 last wk 😆 and they still can win the SEC
Did anybody else notice they put Indiana as an sec team at 2:52 in the cfp rankings box?
😂 yes
Reese, answer this, when are the strength of schedule determined? Looks like to me if they were adjusted as the year goes on, those “strengths” of schedule would look way different. You are assuming a team is going to be good or hard to beat when in reality they are horrible. Strength of schedule is objective and bias. The beauty of this system is non of that matters. Just saying
Facts
Winning out has to matter whatever the conference! Losses cant hold alot of weight if so whats the point in having this. Team loses they move down another moves up! Gotta be satisfied with the unnormal!
So let me ask people this: if Mercer somehow pulls off the impossible and beat Alabama and gives Alabama their loss, do they deserve to be in the playoffs? There are another top team in the SEC and they’ve lost against Tennessee and Vanderbilt, but they have a tough schedule.
No they should be out with that loss
The media is saying the wrong thing. The committee isnt valuing the losing, their valueing NOT losing. Then theyre comparing who youre winning/losing against.
SOR is a made up metric bc its based off who ESPN THINKS is tough. For all we know Indiana could literally beat every SEC team. Then what? You dont know till they play. At this pt, B1G beat all the SEC teams this year. Therefore B1G can be perceived better than SEC. Doesnt matter outside of the top 4, the rest are mid bc USC beat LSU. Therefore all we know USC is better than 2/3rd of the SEC atm (due to who LSU beat).
UGA QB has 12 INTs in the last 6 games… but the only speaks stats that support the SEC supremacy narrative 😂😂(LSU lost too USC a (4-5) B1G team)😒🤌🏾
No more than 3 teams per conference and that’s based on wins. If teams don’t like it change conferences. Sec took Ls this season and we make excuses for them. Focus on wins. If u don’t like it join another conference and dominate there
Rece ur full of it!! Where was this SOS talk last yr when Georgia had a absolute pathetic schedule in the hundreds!? The SEC is at best average. Save the propaganda
ALL IT SHOULD BE IS THIS…
Did you win? Yes or no
WHO did you beat?
Make it 16 teams play it out no byes
They have Indiana labeled as a Sec team
They are working hard to stack the deck with sec and b10 teams. The bias is obvious and horrible for the sport
And coaching moves has anybody ever thought about North Carolina going to get the Minnesota coach ran the boat I think he can only do so much there is nobody talking about going to grab the Marshall coach or the northern Illinois coach
Rece, dude. Stop gaslighting people.
We all know what is the most valuable.
Quality wins, which BY DEFINITION means against quality opponents.
That’s why Miami shouldn’t be a Top Ten team NOR ND or PSU.
The only reason they are is because they don’t have multiple losses. But at least ND has one quality win to somewhat offset a home loss to an abominable competition.
Rankings VS Ratings . I'll take ratings thank you very much. Computers are still more accurate besides for human errors such as injuries and things like that that a computer can't pick up that's when the committee could come in and it just the ratings that computers put out and fix a team or two that might be one or two spots too low Etc. I would love to see 75% ratings adjusted by human rankings ( popularity contest and only wins and losses matter)25%. Handicappers all over the world use ratings instead of rankings and that's why they're more accurate. Almost any great handicapper will tell you that Georgia was the best team in the country last year and I agree. I think the committee just did not want three championships in a row by Georgia and the SEC
You lost me at the end. The committee has shown some SEC bias recently so why would they care if UGA got a threepeat
They KNOW that UGA has at least one more loss coming so...
Maybe a tad ACC bias from EJ but I get where it comes from.
uga will be helped by beating clemson and gt (who beat miami) as long as they beat tenn sat
I’m just saying, Georgia 7-2 record is more impressive than byu and Indiana being undefeated
So after they lose this weekend, you gonna change that, right?
@ prolly not. Another ranked teams
The dawgs will have the last laugh to all you haters out there
O H
I O
The Dawgs are done y'all had 2 cake walk seasons already.
With Carson Beck at QB?!?!?!??!?!!
Dawgs Don't know what to do when they no longer have a cupcake schedule… so no they won’t have the last laugh 😂
Also, it would not be a bad thing if Georgia was not in the first set of playoffs when they are 12 teams. Let some of the other teams shine. We don’t need to always see the same teams over and over.
Go canes
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Georgia had the #1 hardest schedule in all of college football and has only played 3 home games. How does that not factor in to anything. They got dropped the week they were off and the week they won but all that “criteria” doesn’t apply to them.
Having the #1 hardest schedule doesn't matter if you don't win the games.
@ mhmm I wonder why they have such a thing as a SOS ranking then
@ beat the team that was ranked number one and didn’t loose to any unranked teams like several of the teams ahead of them but you’re saying it doesn’t matter 😂😂 yeah ok
Remember the more you lose the higher your sos becomes!!
CFP is a glorified beauty pageant contest. This is not about the 4 best teams
If Indiana beats Ohio State, and Michigan upsets Ohio State then Ohio State isn't getting in. Nobody is getting in on 3 losses besides a conference champion
I agree with your premise, but I can't see Ohio State dropping both of those games. Honestly, I think they'll likely win both.
What happens when Indiana loses to Ohio State? Who is their best win? I would take SMU over Indiana any day
Texas is better than Georgia after a huge rivalry win versus Oklahoma they had a homecoming game with distractions and of course it's hard to get up for two giant games like that in a row. Ole Miss Notre Dame also lost on homecoming to Kentucky and Northern Illinois so I dismissed homecoming losses to an extent
Why play the games if the results do not matter?
Homecoming loss is excusable? That’s a new one. I was there when my dawgs whipped the horns.
UGA will NOT be in the CFP Miami would beat that beckentein sprinkler with a rake in it by 2 TDS Kirby lost talent at all positions UF beats them with Lagway -LOLOLOLOL
26:40 it doesn’t matter who the QB is at FSU if he’s playing behind this god awful offensive line. It’s the absolute worst OL I’ve ever seen at Florida State.