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They became accepted when they mixed with caucasians and diluted their complexion. Your complexion is what was refererred to back then as "sallow". "Tawny" was kyrie irvings complexion to The color of a penny. Swarthy was Denzel Washington's complexion and darker. You're comparing two different stocks with centuries of difference when you bring in Hitler.
@James Vesta - Languages, Buddhism, Tractoring You're a different stock of German from the people Benjamin Franklin was referring to. Most Americans of German descent descend from the migrations caused by the revolutions of 1848. I'm not trying to discount your heritage.
I know in the late 1970's when I married, my in-laws thought my last name (which is Dutch) was German and they weren't pleased. They were Mexican American and didn't want the marriage any more than my White father did. But they all got used to it and loved their mixed grandchildren, including the great-grands who are 1/4 Japanese. Boy do they have some interesting DNA! 😂 We're all one race--the human race! Character is what matters.
Considering that immigrant Germans and German Americans were both included in people who were detained in internment camps in both World Wars, perhaps after that? I know I got rude comments as a child after hearing my surname.
I think Franklin mentioning Germans and Swedes as "swarthy" was based on his observed reality (only he didn't realise why the reality was such): he knew no German or Swedish immigrants that were slave owners and/or from the upper classes; all German and Swedes he had encountered were rural labourers or small farmers working their own land - after years working on the fields, they were all tanned.
Absolutely! Classism is often mistaken for Racism. In every culture, even where most people share the same genetic makeup, people who are darker are frequently looked down upon, because they do physical labor outdoors. It's not Racism, it's Classism.
All racism is classism, as it's a socioeconomic construct. But a tan is not why Franklin called them swarthy. Lots of Northern European have olive undertones to their skin, they always have, even the blond and blue. People knew the difference between a suntan and naturally deeper complexion and coloring even in age of men wearing lead based court makeup to pale themselves out. Franklin knew what he was saying.
@@oliviakrause3336 Franklin didnt want the Anti-Slavery Germans to settle in US America. And Franklin was right. Its the majority of German settlers who fought slavery in the USA and fought for its Independence from Britain. Many US-Historians say that without the German settlers there probably would still be a form of slavery or forced labor in America. When Historians talk about the UNION, the absolute majority of the UNION was German. Andright after the USA gained its independence the British Empire started to attack the German Empire which they then sacked in 1806. The Germans then reestablished their Empire in 1870 and then Britain crushed it again. The German Empire re-established in 1933 and Britain crushed it again. Franklin did not want the Germans because of their Anti-Slavery Laws in Germany implemented by the Holy German Empire in 1220.
Here is the most funny thing about Franklin's comment: Fast forward a few years to the War of Independence, and the Pennsylvania Germans played a pivotal role in the defeat of the British. In fact, if it were not for the large number of PA Germans fighting in the Continental Army against the British, there would be no United States of America.
I live in Cincinnati which is a historically German area, especially on the West Side. I think most would be surprised to hear Franklin describe Germans as swarthy. I am abt 25% German on my dad's side from the DNA. No Sub-Saharan African or Native American of any substantive amt at this time, but I think swarthy would describe my deceased dad and my adult son. Thru the paper trail, we still can't figure out where they get their dark complexion. Thanks for all your great history lessons, Danielle.
That's America's history. They use the expendable groups, not white but wants to be accepted by white, to do their work while they claim the victory and the benefits. I wish more people would wake up to what white means. Then, maybe then, we would have significantly less people identifying or trying to identify as white.
I had an uncle on my Mexican side that I called the ‘most Mexican’ of all my uncles. Turns out, he was adopted and he was in fact a Bavarian German. Dude looked like Saddam Hussein and was culturally as Mexican as Vicente Fernandez lmao
The problem is that the English are descendants of Anglo Saxons, Jutes, and Frisians along with Britons, Danes, and Norman French. The English themselves were and are a mixed ethnic race. All of those cultures mixed and became the English ethnic group. It's reflected in English culture and Language. Ben Franklin was obviously uneducated about his own ancestry. That's the ironic part he was essentially being racist towards himself. Anglo Saxons, Frisians, Jutes, and Norse are technically Germanic tribes. The Norman French are a mixed ethnic group of Norse man and French. The French were another group Ben Franklin looked down upon. Again, being racist towards himself. Also, the Britons themselves, native Celtic tribes of Great Britain, were looked down upon. Irish Scottish and even Welsh. Our founding fathers didn't totally understand the history of their ancestors. The Saxons originally came from the region in Northern Germany, Southern Denmark called Schelswieg Holstein region. The Angels came from Northern Germany, Western Holland. The Jutes came from modern-day Denmark. The Frisians came from the Netherlands. The Norse came from Scandinavia. To go back even further before the Anglo Saxon days before the dark ages, Britian was again a mixed race culture of indeginious Celtic tribes and the Romans. The Roman Empire was a multi cultural society in itself. Roman soldiers garrisoned in Britain came from all over the Roman Empire. From Spain, North Africa, Greece, Italy the Middle East, Gaul, Turkey, parts of Yugoslavia clear to Germany. Those said groups did mix with the indigenous Britons. In a sense, you have an already multi cultural group mixing with Germanic tribes. So I agree that being white really isn't a thing. The reason is borders and language changed throughout Europe. There is no such thing as being pure whatever. Europe is a small continent with a harsh climate and limited resources. Different ethnic groups became subject to stronger ethnic groups. There was constant warfare because of limited resources.
So its false pride and ignorance that creates Racisism. Odd that they also think themselves superior yet don't remember who all they are. There are not many humans on the planet in different parts of the globe that has the narcissistic mentality as the Anglo Saxons of Europe. So all those mixing were not a good end result. Its the same as inbreeding. In this case, it affected their mind. The concept eludes them. The flaw with this breed is that it only recognizes and sees skin color on home sapiens. They have a mental disease that they are not even aware of. They are on a level of spectrum that will never be healed. Yes, insane people can also be intelligent, but insane none the less. Well, now that explains everything. If you hide behind the concept of white, you can appear normal.
No you you recessive genes which means you are not the norm. You cannot produce a dark skinned child but a Black woman can. Recessive genes is not the foundation
@@brian_Austin27like the Native American tribes graping each other into extinction for thousands of years until we made them stop unaliving each other and deal blackjack at casinos instead? Those darn cruel whites! *Seethes in airplanes and smartphones*
In reading the comments, there seems to be some confusion in what "German" people Franklin was concerned about. Prior to the American independence, there was a large influx of German speaking people from the Palatinate Region of Europe. Most settled in Pennsylvania because unlike the other colonies, William Penn was accepting of them, as he considered them excellent farmers and an asset to his colony. The Palatinate Region consisted of an extended area along the Rhine River that included areas that are now in Southwestern Germany, Eastern France, and parts of Switzerland. All these people were German speaking, but not all of them were from what is now Germany. I will add that the Amish, which Pennsylvania is famous for, actually originated in Switzerland and many people who ancestors were "Pennsylvania German" when they take a DNA test and trace their ancestry back to Europe, are often surprised to learn their ancestors actually came from Eastern France.
eastern france or the area of "elsass-lothringen" is mainly inhabited by the tribe of the Alemannen. This tribe is also found in south west germany and switzerland. that area in east france was fought about for many centuries. the land of "Karl dem Großen" was divided under his grandsons in 843. Karl the bold got france, ludwig the german got germany and the eldest, lothar got the middle from netherlands down to Rome. lothar died early and his land got divided. remains of lothars heritage are nerherlands, belgium, luxemburg, switzerland and elsass-lotharingia.
Some of my German forebears were from the Palatine region, Mennonites who emigrated from Switzerland in the 17th century, and it's true that they were "darker", i.e. more brunette, than people of Northern Germanic descent. I have a family photo of my great-grandparents and their children, and if you told me they were Jewish I would believe it.
Mark Antony, Good one. Now pick another ethnic or cultural group and negatively stereotype them too. Catholics? Asians? Blacks?…don’t stop you’re on a roll.
99% of British are genetic Celt Brition, the Anglo-saxon were a minority of leader.... remplace layer by Normands (that speack french Normands) ...until 17 century, English nobles used to speack French ...that cause English hâte French....
I don’t understand the complexion part, but indeed Ben Franklin feared about a “loss of culture” as Pennsylvania was rooted and grounded by the English. He didn’t want to see the loss of English culture
The only ones who lost their culture in America were the natives, the Black people who forgot their origins outside just being from Africa, and the immigrants who failed to entirely preserve their culture in the face of government supported Anglicization, just a few European festivals, cuisines, religion and at least 10% or less of their modern descendants know the immigrant languages and the rest end up adopting English as their first language.
Later on Pennsylvania it was observed that a sign on a bridge which was in German and English, had slightly different meanings. The German was straightforward, "No galloping on the bridge". The English which was directed at their Scots-Irish neighbors said, "gallop on the bridge at your own risk".
There is an old saying in England: "The wogs begin at Calais". I'm afraid this exemplifies the sense of racial superiority the English have towards other Europeans, let alone those from outside Europe. When the English emigrated to America they brought this attitude with them. In the modern age, this hostility to other Europeans, particularly those from eastern countries, was one of the causes of Brexit.
Throughout history, the English have had delusions of superiority. The attitude predates British expansion. The Scottish, Welsh, and the Irish were the first to suffer from it. Baffling really. Strange mentality coming from such a small little island.
@@free22 very true, I have always thought people of mixed race were the prettiest and got the best of both worlds. I just wish all the hate, tribalism, and fighting would stop.
You are reading too much into Franklin's statement. Here is a passage from a journal from 1745 (six years prior). It can also be verified via JSTOR. 'If we proceed from the swarthiest white Person to the palest Egyptian, from thence to the fairest Mustee, Molatto, Moor, &c. to the darkest Indian'. J. Mitchell in Philosophical Transactions 1744-5 (Royal Society) vol. 43 122 The term swarthy is figurative and was historically applied to white people with darker features.
Another great video Danielle! I’m learning how “white” was a very changeable concept through history, and it just serves to reinforce that race isn’t actually a thing, it’s what we make it.
Race is clearly a biological recognition on consistent terms. There are sociological applications of racial categorization which are different than the biological categorization recognition of races.
Wrong. Race is a thing. The Germans that Franklin referred to were "black". Yes,"black" people were in Europe for hundreds of years. The Crusades and Renaissances were wars against "black" people. Study history,actual history.
My adopted sibling is Finnish. The Finns' language is completely different from the Scandinavians. Their traditional culture and spirituality was based on nature and animals, similar to First Nations cultures in North America, not the stories about Thor and Odin and all those guys from Marvel (ha ha). One theory is that they came from Indigenous tribes in Asia, i.e. Siberia, who travelled and intermarried with northern European people and eventually became the Finns. There are also Indigenous Sámi people in the Nordic countries who were mistreated and had their drums burned, and were forced to assimilate or be killed, and other horrible stuff. Today, a lot of people consider them "white", but if you look at pictures of them from a hundred years ago, many of them look almost identical to First Nations people in Canada and the U.S. Another theory is that they also originated in Asia and migrated to northern Europe and became reindeer herders. I've read people from parts of Europe say they aren't as hung up on the concept of "race" as some other countries are so insistent needs to be the lens, and don't give a rat's butt about classifying everyone into a color block. So like you, I agree that white does not seem to be an actual thing. I didn't realize Ben Franklin was such a jerk, but since people are complex, it's interesting he's one of the few founding fathers to free his slaves, because he apparently realized they weren't inferior to him. I'm not sure of the timelines of his feelings on all that. But great video, you have so much good stuff, and so many true stories to learn from.
As a German, I am not shocked by this. I _was_ shocked when I first learned that the Irish were once not considered white. That's just ridiculous if you assume it's really about skin color as the term 'white' suggests. The idea that most Germans are blond and have blue eyes, or that we all have _particularly_ light skin is ridiculous. Our language came from Scandinavia, but only a small part of our genes. The Nazis even had an insane breeding program to make Germans Nordic, but on average we never actually were. (Look for "Lebensborn" if you want to know more.) Germany has always been a melting pot right in the center of Europe, although we also have significant internal diversity even today. (I am sure I could easily tell whether a crowd of people wearing neutral clothing is from the North, the South-West or the South-East.) We have roughly equal proportions of the three major groups that make up Europeans: (Western) Hunter-Gatherers, Early European Farmers, and Indo-Europeans. At least since we were colonized by the Romans 2000 years ago, we have had a strong connection to Italy, which is far enough in the south for people to have a relatively dark, Mediterranean/Middle Eastern complexion. I think most Germans who moved to America were farm workers, so they were tanned from working outside all day. A conspicuous subgroup were the Amish and Mennonite people from Switzerland who had first been welcomed in South-West Germany, but had got into conflict with the authorities there as well due to their extreme religiosity and complete rejection of military service. They sought to lead a life just like people in the Bible and rejected any technologies that might get into the way. Some still reject electricity in their homes today; of course Franklin had no sympathy for them. Franklin's concept of 'white' here seems to be based on a distinction between 'worthy to be a citizen' and 'potential slave material'. This particular form of racism arises in a race-based slavery system. Europe profited from such a system, but essentially never had it on the continent itself. This is why racism in Europe is different than in the US. There was never a need to tell at a glance whether someone is a slave. In particular, when people are obviously 'mixed race' or from a 'race' that looks very European, such as many native Americans, most of us here in Europe genuinely don't see them as belonging to another 'race' at all.
@@Momoa786 Look at a photo of Adolf Hitler, for example, and think about how 'Germanic' he looks. He was Austrian, but that's essentially the same as South-East German (Bavarian), and he came from a border town anyway. (Hitler is a popular example for this because it demonstrates how silly the Nazi 'Aryan' concept was that a lot of people still take seriously.) You seem to be mistaking 'Germanic' for a 'race' or something that people have in their DNA. But in reality it is a culture. Germans in the North, and Dutch people even more, on average look a lot like Scandinavian and Baltic people. They may have got it from Scandinavians who brought their genes along with their language, or it may have been there before as they were related to the Balts. Most likely both. But in the more populous South that's not true. Here most people look more like French people or people in and beyond the Alps. If you look at genetic distribution maps for traces of the various prehistoric populations such as Western Hunter-Gatherers, Early European Farmers, Western Steppe Herders and many others, you will see that for most of them, Germany is not homogeneous. Almost all are noticeably more common at one end than at the other. Scandinavia and the Baltics are particularly associated with Western Hunter-Gatherers. The corresponding genes, some of which seem to be responsible for typical 'Scandinavian' features, make up about a third of the Genes of North Germans, and a fourth of South Germans. This difference is significant. It means that these features are noticeable in slightly over half of North Germans, but too diluted to be noticeable in most South Germans.
stopit my people didnt look lie no europeans they looked similar to the ethopian which is why they lied and told them they came from africa this info is all there in all them spainsh and french books go read
My grandfather fought the Germans, not blue-eyed blond Germans, but Africans, people from Asia, the Middle East, and so on. It is pure propaganda that people of color were not welcomed in Germany during World War II, when in reality, many of them trained there, fought there, and committed numerous crimes throughout Europe, particularly in relation to the Mufti of Jerusalem
@@Super50ldier The 'cross-breeding' of early Europeans is not a fantasy someone dreamed up, it's based on the DNA of prehistoric finds. The earliest finds are Eastern and Western Hunter-Gatherers, so called because they start before agriculture spread to Europe and fall into two clearly distinguishable groups (plus mixtures between them where they come close to each other). Later finds of genetically distinct people come from the time when agriculture first spread over Europe from the Middle East. (Agriculture was invented in several region around the globe when the climatic conditions became suitable. The region relevant to Europe is Anatolia.) And even later finds of again distinct DNA are associated with herding and artifacts of Indo-European culture such as horse-drawn wagons used for sport and war. One detail that I left out in my previous post because it wasnt' relevant: While _most_ of the genes of modern Europeans are a mixture of the genes of these early 'pure' groups ('pure', not pure, because they themselves obviously started as mixtures; look up the founder effect in genetics if this confuses you), it is _not_ true for our Y chromosomes. Y chromosomes are only transmitted in the male line, and the vast majority of Y chromosomes of modern Europeans come from Indo-Europeans. Most likely this means that the Indo-Europeans gradually took over the entire continent through conquest, integrating captured females into their culture but klling all the males. In other words, a colonization/conquest event roughly similar to what happened later in North America. By the way, genetic evidence also indicates for at least one group of early Europeans that when they first came from Asia they started out with very dark skin, blue eyes and blond hair. (Physical features reconstructed from the genes.) The modern Balts are relatively pure descendants of this group and in their majority have blue eyes and blond hair to this day, even though the skin color got significantly lighter very fast because of the northern latititude's selection pressure. (Skin cancer is essentially no issue in northern Europe, so there is no substantial benefit to pigmentation. But vitamin D scarcity in winter _is_ a huge problem there, so people with light skin are more adapted to the region. Since there are a lot of genes for pigmentation and your skin color basically depends on how many you have, this is something that can change within a few generations.)
This is very interesting! I am German, and working on my families genealogy. By that I came over tons of ancestors who went to the US. Big numbers of early immigrants came from southern Germany, Württemberg, where more people are of darker skin- and haircolor. There is even a history of expelling poor village people, selling them to the US. (German history of immigration is quite complex, linked to political matters, Germany not being one country til 1871. Being German before that mainly meant, being from a state where german was spoken.)
The English feel a kinship with Dutch, Frisians, Lower Saxons. Schleswig-Holsteiners and Danes. Southern Germany and Austria is traditionally viewed as Popish (Catholic) and Italian and French influenced.
Thank you so much for this. Any books, films, documentaries you can recommend, would be appreciated. Alexander Von Wuthenau, a German scholar, with many books on archaelogical finds in Mexico, apparently left Germany because of disagreements with Hitler related to the concept of Whiteness. Your information seems to verify this. Any resources would be appreciated.
@@tancreddehauteville764 You are right, just my Württemberg ancestors, who emigrated to the US were pious protestants...history is not always that easy.
my parents are from nicaragua and my grandma (dad's mom) descends from german catholics (austrians and bavarians). Her maiden name (mayrhauser) was traced to a bavarian named walter von mayrhauser, he was a franco-prussian war veteran who fought against the french in the bavarian army. nicaragua received large influxes of german immigrants from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s.
@@martinn.6082 no, but my dad can and still does speak it fluently. he attended the german nicaraguan school since he was in kindergarten which teaches all students german from childhood to adulthood or until they graduate.
@@PizzaKing19 interesting. I'm German myself, but married to a woman originally from Mexico and we have a son together. I hope he learns both Spanish and German...
I'm a west Highland Scotsman. Like all Celts we didn't get to be white people for a long time lol. My paternal grandmother was Irish. She used to tell me about the signs in hotel windows in London 'no blacks. No dogs. No Scots or Irish. Here in Scotland the clans of the North west were barely considered human by their own lowland country men and women....'if a heeland man is alone with a woman - he will not read the psalms to her'. 'They are never hungry in the deeps of winter. Pity their children'. Charming old folk sayings lol. Truth is we are all just people.
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As a German-American, let me say this, Saxony is the largest state in Germany, not only that, but King George the third was from the house of Orange, that is he was from the Netherlands which also included parts of Saxony ! His first language was German and the reason he brought Hessians to America to fight his war with us, he knew them and spoke their language. So if Saxons were OK, where does Franklin draw the line?
You are going well beyond where I did but I’m glad! I agree, this is always the problem with the little boxes, where do you draw the line? Great comment, thank you
Sometimes I think Franklin was more especially fond of rosy cheeked fair skinned people from NW Germany primarily (light brown, hazel, green and blue eyes all fine, blonde, red and brown hair all fine as well, but the skin color and facial shape, structure, also bodily smells, etc. should be Saxon primarily), but sometimes, I get the impression that Franklin wanted an especially godly, noble, angelic kind of European people here. I know about his beef with Samuel Keimer. I think this played into his thoughts about Germans a great deal, particularly the tendency toward extreme cultural conservativism, dogmatism (rigidity) and extreme thriftiness in Swabians, etc. The aversion to olive toned or tanned skin, black hair, etc. with some Alpine nationalities (Swiss, Austrians, Bavarians, Swabians, etc.) may have actually been secondary in intensity compared to his dislike of the German “psyche”-esp. the more severe, intense sorts of behaviors that he perceived in more Southern Germans. Whereas Franklin saw the Saxons in Northern Germany as being more calm and peaceable, like the English. Less “surly”, etc. (Heck, some of that can be attributed to diet. Northern Germans and the English have historically eaten more fish compared to Europeans further inland in the continent, like Southern Germans, who likely ate more pork and beef historically, etc. But again, that dogmatic narrow-minded whole deal with Franklin’s view of Southern Germans, that seems to factor in pretty heavily with Franklin’s outlook on Southern Germans, Swiss, Austrians, etc. I imagine that Northern Italians are similar, Hungarians, Czechs, etc. (in Franklin’s view).
House of Hanover. His great-grandfather, George I, was the Elector (Kurfürst) of Hanover who became the British king because he was the next Protestant in line of succession. That George was the one who couldn’t speak English and spent most of his time in Hanover.
I think you’re confusing George III with William III. He was of the House of Orange, he was a Dutch prince who deposed the Catholic James II in 1688 and married his daughter Mary. They died without issue and the throne passed to Mary’s sister Anne in 1702.
Edson Romualdo had said that there were many Swarthy people in the Germany during the world wars. He have been reading vintage books about the Swarthy Germans
@@charlesbranscomb8493 Taken from Hill's Manual of Social and Business Forms (1881). 'Two distinct types of complexion exist among the white race, namely the light haired, fair and ruddy complexions, termed Blondes; and the dark-haired and dark-skinned, called Brunettes.' Somebody being described as dark complexioned doesn't always mean what you may think!
Interesting observation. Last year I worked in the southernmost tip of Baden-Wurttemberg, and was surprised to note that many of my co-workers down there (all full-blooded local Germans) were olive-skinned.
I have not done much research on my German ancestors because I have focused mainly on my Virginia, Italian, and Irish ancestors. When I think of Swarthy I think of my Virginia/Tennessee, Italian, and Mexican/Native American ancestors. Swarthy was described on some of their Civil War descriptions. I never really thought of swarthy for German people. This made me Google to confirm which members and I came across the FreeAfricanAmericans website that showed white women who enslaved/indentured themselves in contracts in order to marry and free African men. I would love for you to do a video on the subject. With all the division in the world today and the assumption mixed race babies of the earliest generations must have come from rape situations, I think stories of love would be a great video.
So interesting that German people are more homogenous than British people who later became Americans through their independence from British rule. The British historically are a mix of different Native Celtic peoples, Roman invaders who later made part of Britain part of the Romam Empire. Later after Rome's fall, Germanic tribes (Anglo Saxons, from modern day Germany, Jutes from modern Denmark), Viking Raiders from Norway/Sweden, all a mixture of different groups of people added to the mixture of present day British people. the English language itself is not a "pure" language but a mixture of different languages brought over by the different invading groups.
It's funny how people mention angles from Denmark and Saxons from Germany.This is complete spurious, because Saxony did not exist until the 8th century(An and even that was different from the modern Saxony), Denmark did not exist until the 10th century.Those people that came over in the 5th century, when in that landmass that in the future would become Denmark and Saxony, were as much English as they were German, because these terms meant nothing until generations after they were 1st attributed to the people, who then would then begin to get an embedded identity in reference to the terms aand other people similarly identifying. Those people coming over weren't or Danish in anyway whatsoever.Then a couple of generations after they moved in Britain annd mixed with the indigenous they became something else entirely.
Another good read is ‘Jews and Muslims in British Colonial America: A Genealogical History’. You’ll find out more about some of these swarthy/Sephardic European peoples.
Jews were described by an American "anthropologist" as being a mixture of the "Mediterranean race" and negroes. Others claimed they picked up some "black blood" from living amongst the descendants of Canaan the descendant of Ham.
Depending on genealogy or ancestry test, I'm 70 to 80 percent German and that's also a bit fuzzy because my dad's mom's parents came from Alsace-Lorraine. Found out about Franklin's views on German immigrants from an online friend who lives in Pennsylvania, who is Deitsch aka Pennsylvania Dutch and is involved in keeping the culture and language alive. Ironic that at least until the Revolution, Colonists would look down on Germans as King George III was of the House of Hannover (German) and his wife Charlotte was from Mecklenburg in the northern part of what would become East Germany. I've read in the early years of their marriage they spoke German to each other until she learned English
@@jamesschmehl5972 My dad's mom's parents came from there with the surname Molyet likely in the 1890s. My surname Mehling (at least those I'm descended from) traces back to Bavaria and a family who left in 1849. The name similarly is a coincidence
The Germans that Franklin describes did, in fact, maintain their German language up to WWI. I have one great grandfather who was a descendant of those early ethnic Germans. He was the 7th generation born in Pennsylvania. While he was not swarthy, his first language was German. He had a thick accent all his life even though he lived and married outside of his community of origin as a young man.
@Don Jindra His judgment that they were poorly educated was premature, I have no doubt. But people who have just arrived in a foreign country, fleeing the devastation of war, desperately poor at the moment don't always give the best impression to the natives. An ethnic German from somewhere along the Rhine River would be unlikely to speak English. French, Dutch, Italian, or a local Slavic language would be far more likely as a second language for them. Their clothes would be strange, foreign, and travel worn. They may have pawned nearly everything they had just to get there. Franklin's own French was not of the highest quality. Two people trying to communicate in a third language often find that neither speaks nor understands it well enough for mutual communication.
@@joanhuffman2166 "His judgment that they were poorly educated was premature, " Maybe so, maybe not. Neither of us were there to know the situation. But he is merely saying that the poorly educated Germans are the ones arriving in America. He is not saying all Germans are poorly educated.
@@donjindra I only say that appearances can be misleading. Newly arrived refugees don't make the best appearance at first. English speaking Americans had a different opinion of their German neighbors in a short period of time.
This is why I have always said that our great nation has yet to acknowledge its centuries of hate culture.But then people tend to get very defensive.How can a nation of freedom and prosperity possibly have a hate culture?And they tend to think that I am referring to just people of African Ancestry where much of that hatred is directed.And as soon as they think that,then they say i am exaggerating and trying to play the victim card.But in reality American society during its history has always found a group(s) that they didn't like.The key has always been,at what point does a society decide to take its foot off the necks of the groups that they don't like.And then when that happens when do such groups began to enjoy greater upward social mobility and social acceptance.What astounded me is when one day out of curiosity I googled "Major racial and ethnic riots in US history".Boy was that list long.Meaning you had groups from all backgrounds clashing against one another at one time or another.Causing injury, property damage and death.I had no idea that Arabs had clashed with the Chinese.IN 1906.For instance.Its important to understand this history and be humbled by it.And understand that it wouldn't take much for a madman Candidate to finally light that match of a racial and ethnic tinderbox.America has always been flammable from its inception.
Any country with multiple ethnicities or religions will always have clashes. This is why a unified identity is so important. We must all fly the same flag and speak the same language. Otherwise this country will fall apart.
Hi Danielle! Thanks for the video! Just wanted to throw a quick thought/ question out there as well about the German immigrants in the 1800s. My ancestor came from Germany in 1750 but with a Spanish/ Italian name. Through DNA testing ydna, we found out that particular side of my family were Sephardic Jews. I have a distant relative who is a Genealogy teacher that seems to think they were Sephardic in the 1600s in Germany but then started to integrate into German society etc. Some people believe they may have even been crypto Jews in America because of patterns of intermarriage within a small community and the fact that one of their descendants knew he was Jewish but would not/ did not tell why he didn't reveal that. Anyways, my hypothesis is that Europe is a big mix of many ethnicities and just because you are a German national doesn't make you an ethnic German. In fact, the Jewish people were under much pressure in Europe at that time and I wouldn't be surprised if other " German immigrants could be Jewish. Any thoughts?
I think you are absolutely. It was just a few years ago that I found out my Oma (German for Grandmother) was of mixed race. I always said she looked Jewish, apparently, my great-grandmother married a German Jew. it wasn't until I looked on the European map where I was born, that I saw how close I was to France and Switzerland. I always remember my mother talking about my oldest Aunt going to France to visit relatives. My mother also mentioned how they would visit family in Switzerland as well. My mother very blond but one of my aunts had dark hair and green eyes. As I got older it sparked something in me to know more about my homeland and history of the Germans. When we came the states in the early 1960's the trend was that you come here, and you assimilate. You learn the language and customs; my sister who was of school age had to learn English before she could start school which put her behind by a year. Today, there is no assimilation. I believe we have to many immigrants coming in illegally and it will reunion our economy as a nation; we can't sustain this. In history, and on television, they tried to make the Germans look like they were dumb but they were a long way from it. The Germans infiltrated the USA through project paperclip. The Americans brought many over that should have gone through the Nuremburg Trial to be hanged. Instead, the Germans were given good jobs and a new identity.
"just because you are a German national doesn't make you an ethnic German" -- That is actually kind of wrong. Would you say there is such a thing as ethnic (US) Americans, and just because you are an American national doesn't make you an ethnic American? I hope the thought makes you uncomfortable, as it's the kind of thought that tries to exclude people who have papers to show that they belong, fit in culturally, and have nowhere else to go. That's not just true for America, it's true everywhere. I have an uncle who, by an accident of nature, looks very Japanese even though we have no Japanese ancestry in our family, only a little French. Of course he is an ethnic German anyway. But the same is true for any German citizen with exclusively Japanese, or African, ancestry who grows up in Germany, speaking only German in their family. Ethnicity is about culture, not genes. There is just a major statistic correlation with genes that can suggest, but not prove, someone's ethnicity. If you think this makes no sense because it means that all those ethnic Germans, ethnic Italians, ethnic Irish etc. in the US _aren't_ -- well, that's because they really aren't. If you don't speak the language of an ethnicity and don't fit into its society because you have totally different values and have never lived there, then you are not part of it. In America the concept of ethnicity, as it relates to the immigrants' countries of origin, diverged from the original concept.
Yes. My father's family were Dutch (Norman) and came to new Amsterdam NYC on 1st ships in 1624. Many Sephardic Jews and Muslims moors were expelled from Spain and came to amsterdam . Many came to Dutch colonies. There were very few colonists so as long as they converted to Dutch reform they were allowed to marry into Dutch families in the colonies. The term black Dutch refers to many things in US but in my grandfather's case it is the Sephardic Jews mixed with Dutch colonists. Very swarthy. It is funny Ben didn't have anything to say about the Dutch in colonial America even though they kept their language until the 1930s. The Dutch West India company kept detailed records and most are online now. M
They could be jewish without knowing it. My mother's DNA-Test came back with 13%Sephard. I did her family tree and during the 18th century I found several women that had no catholic paper trail before their showing up as wives at birthing kids, but without having added birth-family-names, like the other women. I came across an article that during the counterreformation children were seized from non-catholic families to be monastry raised. And these kidnapping-victims weren't just protestants, as it was general knowledge, but also Jews, Muslims and Sinti&Rom. Those monastery-raised girls obviously were part of a marriage-brokering for widowed farmers with many kids. I also found hints of 'crypto-jews' - mainly inkeeps but also travelling tradesmen, stone-masons, river-boat-men and musicians with names that were just their job-description or a colour, and that had a rather odd marriage pattern with getting wives from unusual long distance that would need professional marriage brokering and the families of the wives - or their mothers - often having romanic family-names.
Germans have always had a few brown individuals. Consider the name Brunhilda from German mythology. It literally means Brown Hilda. But because of Hitler people stereotype Germans as blond and blue-eyed. If you pick up storybooks of Heidi so many times, she is illustrated as having blond braids. The book describes her as having short, curly black hair.
Ben Franklin maybe liked “red heads” because they don’t tan. Colorism is a thing. An easy way to set up caste systems and make “others “. White is a thing because the people in power, want it to be. It is fluid like power sometimes ( from historical perspectives).
@@etruscancivilization hmm, that's interesting! I've heard that was the case with Hitler. He was certainly not blond and blue-eyed as he wanted Germany to be.
Again, let me thank you for your channel. The issues of race, ethnicity, and immigration are so central to what we are as Americans and we desperately need to come to grips with the irony and hypocrisy of our nativist thinking. Keep doing what you're doing.
American culture, customs and cuisine didn't come from just England. America got their culture from other countries, other cultures. Keeping a decorated tree in your home on Christmas is a German or Scandinavian pagan tradition that predates the Scandinavian and German people's conversion to Christianity. The custom of decorating eggs on Easter originated in Eastern Europe. Carving a jack-o-lantern on Halloween is an Irish custom from Ireland. Laying a wreath on Christmas is an tradition that originated in Ancient Greece. Hamburgers and hotdogs, a traditional American food, originated in Germany. Pizza and spaghetti, that Americans are fond of, are from Italy. French fries were thought to come from Belgium or France. Italians, Germans, Irish and other immigrants didn't leave their culture behind in their homelands. They brought their culture along to America. America is a multicultural melting pot of various cultures.
@@Lenioogami yes the Italians did introduce pizza to America, but if you grew up in New England, especially Massachusetts, then you know that every town has a house of pizza and every house of pizza is owned by Greeks! And they will be the first to tell you that the Italians didn’t invent pizza, it was the Greeks! Lol
@@kellymartin3412 house of pizza? So greeks don't call them pizzeria. I see. Well, we can agree pizza was not invented in america. Imagine what american food would be like without hamburgers, hotdogs, pizza, french fries and spaghetti, all of which were introduced by non-british immigrants. It would be as bad as british food which has been rated the worst food in the world
in 1942 when Meyer Lansky applied for WW2 the U.S. government classified him as "dark complexioned" (which according to Kurimeo's scholastic logic would mean Meyer Lansky and the Israeli mob were Akon's color.)
thank you im glad another kurimeo fan is here these people are dillusional in these comments they want swarthy to mean tan so bad but it means them niggas was akons color and tawny was the rest of the brown shades
Swarthy means black according the 1828 Noel Websters dictionary. You're either only looking at modern dictionaries or it doesn't matter what books before 1850s and dictionaries say what swarthy means.
As an African living in Europe, this white on white xenophobia is kinda fascinating especially these days. I've witnessed an english man from the south being called a racist because of his expressed dislike for the English from the North😂😂😂 People can't tell the difference between xenophobia and racism
That is because for decades the British working class have been hounded from all corners. Indeed even Brexit was considered in some quarters as 'racist', which in itself speaks volumes.
This has kind of become official these days. Recently Diane Abbott, a black British politician, said that prejudice against the Irish is not racism since they're white. She was forced to apologise and her political party, and many others, said that she was wrong.
@@patriceesela5000 No it wasn't her and I think she was only talking about the past not the present. Although people did say her statement itself was racist.
I’ve also heard a person from southern England mention the northern English are a different race. I know that even in the US the southern English mainly settled along the eastern seaboard while the northern English settled inland, so maybe you’re right.
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You are reading too much into Franklin's statement. Here is a passage from a journal from 1745 (six years prior). It can also be verified via JSTOR. 'If we proceed from the swarthiest white Person to the palest Egyptian, from thence to the fairest Mustee, Molatto, Moor, &c. to the darkest Indian'. J. Mitchell in Philosophical Transactions 1744-5 (Royal Society) vol. 43 122 The term swarthy is figurative and was historically applied to white people with darker features.
The colonial racial hierarchy is mostly started by the Spanish Colonizers. They had a strict caste system pyramid; Blanco (White) at the top, then Mestizo (Mixed), Native, then Slaves. You should do a video just on that subject.
Oh trust me the wokes do not want to go dig in that direction because then they're gonna find out the spaniards picked that tradition of basing social hierarchies on race and skin color from ARAB MUSLIM colonisers who colonized spain during the 'Andalus' era which... goes against the politically correct ideology of wokeness 😂 watch that person make a video about that though but conveniently omit all those historical facts as well as the fact racial supremacy and race science were first theorized by north african scholars such as Ibn Khaldun long before any european thinker went down that route... I mean that person made a whole video about Armenians being white in america since 1925 yet they're yet to make a similar video about arabs also attaining whiteness around that same era 👀
The way the english and other brits discriminated people of color and even other europeans has nothing to do with the way the Spanish discriminated the different peoples living on their realms. The English backed up their racial hatred using scientific racism as the source of logical evidence to justify their wrongdoings, scientific racism was very popular a couple of centuries ago in european countries were the Illustration was also popular (especially amongst protestants) and one of its most nefarious consequences until today was the development of eugenics. The Spanish and the Portuguese never used scientific racism and other racial ideas derived from the illustration period as a framework to discriminate against anyone. In the territories controlled by Spain and Portugal you were discriminated against if you were not a catholic, if you were not loyal to the reigning monarch and if you were not part of the nobility or related to the high spheres of political, and/or religious and economical powers. A descendant of nahuatl or incan nobles had way more power and influence than a peninsular spanish peasant or commmoner, even if said noble had clear native facial features and the spaniard was "white", even enslaved people could obtain freedom if they paid for it, guess were the family of the last Inca lives today? Perú? wrong, Spain!, The caste system you speak of better describes the situation in India or South Africa, or New Zealand or Canada, or Australia or the USA before the abolition of slavery, racial segregation/apartheid and the anti-interracial marriage laws were deemed illegal during the 20th century, meanwhile the Spanish and the Portuguese had legalized interracial marriages centuries ago. Also, the Spanish were not colonizers and they never had colonies since they didn't replace the original native populations with their own, they intermarried the natives since the very start, creating a mixed population that's still the majority on most hispanic countries, unlike the countries that used to be part of the english crown, plus the new territories that were conquered (not colonized) were integrated as independent viceroyalties and captaincies inside the Spanish empire and were governed over exactly the same as the provinces back in the peninsula, Portugal had coastal factories and later on large plantations that resemble an anglo colony but they're still pretty different in any other aspect. Spain and Portugal have always been different from england/the uk, why do you expect the 3 of them to do everything even remotely similarly just becaurse they use to have empires? Literally their only similarities apart from that are the continent they are located on, being christians (catholics and most protestants are pretty different theologically) and hating the French, nothing more nothing else.
We'll yeah. That's the whole "black legend" that the Anglo world created against Spain. In some way, the propaganda is understandable, it began during their greatest rivalry. But yeah, the Spanish had no issues marrying natives. The caste system was real but, with time, became less relevant. Evidence of this were the natives with titles of nobility. In the case of Peru, specifically, the noble Incas had the royal scepter and had the power to speak for the King of Spain, something that the Spanish colonizers themselves did not have. It's all history and all public knowledge. You just gotta get into the books.
I am an Israelite. You may be an ISRAELITE by the seed of your paternal lineage. All nations of people will know when ISRAELITES are gathered/delivered from earth-wide captivity. Amos 9:9-12 [9]For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth. [10]All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us. [11]In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old: [12]That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the MOST HIGH YAHUAH that doeth this.
In the main this is typical xenophobic exclusion that we see time and again with most outgroups. However, I had some ancestors come here from Germany in colonial times that were quite dark. My great grandfather William Issaac Moak had the last name on his death certificate changed to Munk. On his deathbed he told my dad and I the story of his father saving a dark-skinned man from a Mississippi lynch mob. Grandad said his father spoke with the man in a language that was not the little German he knew. His father then told the mob that this was a black German from the Black Forest. He convinced the mob this dark man was fully European and should not be hung for refusing to say yassah and nossah. The dark man-surnamed Munk-came home with them and preformed a challenging blacksmith job overnight. It was some wagon part that was really hard to repair-days of work for Grandad's father and at the limit of his smithing ability. Grandad was outraged to find this man had also walked away with his father's lightest anvil and some other choice items. His father told him the man was kin-Moak was originally Munk- and not to worry about it. Grandad said these black German's had been enslaved in Europe but were not African. The Romani and Sinti arrived in Germany in the 1500's I believe. The name Munk turned up again when I attended NC State. The Cloud family history had John Cloud's Paternal line way back into England but mother's maiden name unknown. Well, the residents of New Light Creek N.C.-birthplace of John Cloud and that Boone guy-were happy to tell me about a letter found between some Clouds. It mentioned "our undying shame that our mother was born under the accursed name of Munk". They were also happy to tell me these Munks were not exactly white too. I reacted rather poorly to this racist attitude but fortunately avoided academic and legal penalties.
When I think of dark Germans I think of Roma/Gypsies as well. Around 500k were killed in the Holocaust. Also, New Light Creek is 2 hours from Robeson County, NC which is a large Melungeon community.
@@timeforchange3786well the thing is the sentiments towards gipsies in europe are mostly true. Roma people have been living on crime for centuries. It is the only people that rightfully has been eradicated. Even today they rely on crime and Integration projects fail miserably. Their culture just doesnt accept productivity but glorifies crime. Of course they arent persecuted today so they cause even more damage.
When he is sayig Swarthy he is talkig about their look and customs. Swarthy actually means "Dark and Hairy". Franklin is describing them as unwashed savages but in more upscale vocabulary
I found another channel exploring this word swarthy though history and it has changed a lot of my misconception about who was darker then they show us in movies. Great posting. Ty
Yes, many people try to apply definitions from today to definitions from the past. As we all know definitions are changing daily even today. Lincoln was described as dark and swarthy. It doesn't mean he was black.
@@timeforchange3786 Yes exactly, some of these ‘other channels’ try to use these past definitions to appropriate Native American culture, European cultures and even Japanese. It’s actually quite hilarious.
@@rustydogrustydog9191 yes, it is a power grab. It comes from insecurity. The whole "Land Back" gift is using Native Americans for their ultimate goal. When they say Indigenous people they are speaking of themselves but they are trying to trick the naive. Some black people are even trying to get some of the Native American's government money by saying since they were enslaved on reservations they want part of the money. There is a much bigger picture most people aren't paying attention to.
@@rustydogrustydog9191 Rusty and Time. It’s not to appropriate a culture to point t these things out its to show the skin tone of the people are not not all like what they show you in the movies where everyone has pale or white skin. Melanin comes in many shade and doesn’t make you black it just shows there is some in the family tree.
@@DerekFrazier2014 Disagree. As stated before ‘some’ channels and individuals are using this old term to muddy the waters as to the ethnicity of past individuals. I think you yourself are perfectly aware of this. Not everything swarthy meant black or brown the way we understand these terms today. Whites where called swarthy in the past and had nothing to do with black and or African.
Well weren't most of the founding fathers of English descent? In America they didn't like the germans or the irish or the Italians. The divisions are rooted in Europe though and all of those countries over there have fought with each other at one time or another.
The Nazis tried to identify as white but knew they didn't meet the requirements that eugenics in the US held. (By that time the definition of whiteness had manifested into meaning a pure bloodline and almost became a real ethnicity.) Germans knew their bloodlines was and is mixed and couldn't deny it because others in Europe knew it then as well. (Queen Charlotte literally came from Germany.) So they changed up their messaging to say that Germany, the nation, was superior and plotted to make Germany the super power. That's why they were attacking other European nations. But they kept the same language and still stated race when they meant nation/ethnicity. That's why today in Europe we still have different ethnicities calling each other different races. It's also why they are killing each other. They are killing other "races" of Europeans. It's gone beyond stupid at this point.
@RebelKing00 There is a statue of a Moor in Germany right now that is holding a shield that is bearing the crest of the Habsburg family. Some say he was the progenitor of that noble family.
@@shamarbodden9096 That is probably the most stupid statement on the whole internet, congratulations for that. There are many statues of a (certain) "Moor" in Germany, namely of the catholic saint Mauritius. He was killed in the 3rd century, centuries before any of these statues where built and definetly not the progenitor of the Habsburgs (or any other royal family). He was honoured as a christian martyr who died for his faith. Dear black Americans, please stop vandalizing european history. If you have a racial struggle with your white co-Americans, fine, but leave us Europeans (and the Egyptians, for god's sake) out of this debate!
The founding fathers had somewhat varying views on race and nationality. We know more about Franklin in this regard than most of the others. If I am not mistaken, these are the thoughts that Benjamin Franklin had about Europeans (and a few others) at least: English: Amazing. Beautiful. Handsome. Spiritually minded. The best people. Scottish: Hmmm…. Not so sure about those highlanders, to be honest… Welsh: Yyyeah ok… Irish: Hmmm…. (Raises an eyebrow) France: Cultured but darker haired than the English… Dutch: Very fair, very beautiful people. Flemish: No problems there. Walloons: More French… Germans: -Bavarians: Yyyeah…. (Swiss/Austrians: same deal) -Swabians: Oy… -Hessians: Yeah, ok… -Rhinelanders: Pretty ok I guess… -Thuringians: Also pretty ok… -Saxons: YES! -Prussians: Hmmm… Danes: Yep, great people… Norwegians: Ya shure, you betcha Iceland: More Norway, shure, you betcha. Swedes: Not sure about your sometimes tanned skin, but I’m liking that blonde hair… Italians: Well… Spanish: Wait a minute… Portuguese: Now hold on a sec Hungarians: Now wait just a minute here… Czech: Franklin covers his face a bit in consternation Polish: They’re FINE! Look, can we get back to NW Europe a bit more here? Finland: More “Asiatics”… Baltic States: Yyyeah… Russia: Oh come on now! Ukraine: Can we stop this? Romania: Will this never end? Croatia: Look, if you stop this inquisition, I’ll… Greece: No! Just, No! Ok? Albania: … Slovenia: Why? Just…. Why? Serbia: Go talk to someone else about this… Bosnia: No! I’ve had enough! Moldova: Look. Aren’t they just more Slavs? Slovakia: (Frustrated sigh) Turkey: Wait! I’m drawing the line! Turks are not European! Israel: Wait. That’s not fair. I know what you are up to with that one. Me: “Now Ben, I know you love the English people and the Saxons in Germany as well. I do too. But I also love the Scots, Welsh, and Swiss/Southern Germans, etc., because they are a part of my ancestry. Can you be a little more tolerant of your fellow Europeans there, my man?” Franklin: (Sigh) “I guess so. But that Samuel Keimer! I don’t like him one little bit!!!” “Ok then, I understand. I promise that there are nice Southern Germans who are very intelligent, beautiful and righteous, spiritual, productive people.” Franklin: (Sigh…) Me: “Now we just need to work on how you feel about everyone else.” Franklin: “Just kill me now…”
“We don’t want THOSE people here!”🙄 Someone in the US every twenty years. My German ancestors weren’t from Germany, they were from Prussia. They arrived around the 1870’s. Like many people from Prussia, they settled in the Midwest.
Even some Brits like Russell Brand can be swarthy and look Levantine, especially lots of us South Europeans from Italy, Spain, Greece, etcetera, race is total bs perfectly illuminated here.
Britain had the Romans setle an marry the celts, an those Romans weren't fr rome . I can't remember off hand but eastern Europe , the old Romanian provences maybe . I have a dark English friend an there's no way he's an Anglo Saxon LOL.
I’m confused because Germans naturally are pale with the bluest eyes and blonde hair. I don’t know where y’all are getting this swarthy description for them from.
Ironically, Franklin's Pennsylvania was not founded by the British, but taken by force from the Dutch, along with New York. In the early 18th Century the French were still engaged in wars among the Germanies (yes, it wasn't united until the late 19th Century). These religious wars created German refugees who sought refuge in Protestant England, who didn't want them except as a cheap labor source in the colonies, namely New York. Since the refugees couldn't afford passage they were given passage in exchange for indentured servitude. What the Germans thought was going to be a short term of work to pay off their passage was a lie. Governor Tyron built labor camps (forerunner of the British Concentration Camps of Boer War) and kept the Germans hard at work as slave labor for years. In 1719 the Germans had enough and they broke out of their camps seeking refuge on the frontier with the Native Americans. The Iroquois League told the Germans where they could set up their own towns and sold them the land, which infuriated Governor Tyron as they didn't have the right to sell their own lands which were claimed by the crown. This set up an environment where it was "Us vs. Them" with the British. It was to no surprise then that years later the Germans rallied to the revolutionary cause in New York while their English and Scottish neighbors were more Loyalist or lukewarm to the revolution. My German Immigrant 5th Great-Grandfather was a sergeant in the Tyron County Militia and led his men in battle with the Tories and Indians at the Battle for Sharon Springs (formerly known as New Durlach, one of these German towns). He, like the other Germans in his unit, earned their American Citizenship in blood lost and shed for freedom despite the feelings of Franklin, et al.
In that context: "Wall Street" Lower Manhattan NY ------ During the 18th century, Wall Street was a slave trading marketplace and a securities trading site, and from the early eighteenth century (1703) the location of Federal Hall, New York's first city hall. Original name: "Het cringle"
Most of the Germans fought for the British during the American revolution and unlike the Germans, at least the English and the Dutch had colonies in America so they had a bigger right in being American.
This is why my Irish ancestors lived in German and Swiss areas. This is why I am of mostly German and Swiss ancestry. Actually, a lot of my ancestors lived originally in Pennsylvania, before going to the Midwest. A lot of my German ancestors were Fries and Sachsens. Swarthy complexions? Really?
Irish were not liked because they were majorly Catholic. Germans were not liked because they couldn’t adapt to the culture and they couldn’t speak English.
Is swarthy the same as black? Swarthy has the same root as the German word schwarz, meaning black. It means dark-skinned. Not necessarily black, but definitely tending in that direction. It used to be a code word that was used when people wanted to hint that someone had black ancestry
No it doesn't. Walt Whitman described himself as having a 'swarthy face' in Leaves of Grass, and he had numerous photographs taken of him - he was of English lineage. Bellow is a description of Napoleon Bonaparte. Notice that the description of him includes 'reddish-blonde' hair, an aquiline nose and that of him being 'swarthy'. Dennis Davidov's description (from his Memoirs) of Napoleon at Tilsit in 1807: 'I have already remarked on how much I was struck by the overall resemblance of Napoleon to the prints on sale everywhere. But the same was not true of his facial features. None of the portraits that I had seen bore the least resemblance to him. Believing them, I had supposed that Napoleon sported a rather large hooked nose, dark eyes and dark hair- in a word, the true Italian facial type. In fact, his face was slightly swarthy, with regular features. His nose was not very large, but straight, with a very slight, hardly noticeable bend. The hair on his head was not black, but dark reddish-blond; his eyebrows and eyelashes were much darker than the colour of his hair, and his blue eyes, set off by the almost black lashes, gave him a most pleasing expression. Finally, no matter how many times I had occasion to see him, I never noticed those frowning eyebrows with which the portrait-pamphleteers endowed him'. Swarthy does not mean that somebody was black. It was to describe caucasions with darker features such as hair/eyes and tanned skin.
@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533Etymology Dictionary: Entries linking to swarthy swart (adj.) Old English sweart "black, dark," of night, clouds, also figurative, "wicked, infamous," from Proto-Germanic *swarta- (source also of Old Frisian, Old Saxon, and Middle Dutch swart, Dutch zwart, Old Norse svartr, German schwarz, Gothic swarts "dark-coloured, black"), from PIE root *swordo- "dirty, dark, black" (source of sordid). The true Germanic word, surviving in the Continental languages but displaced in English by black. Of skin colour of persons from late 14c. Related: Swartest. schvartze (n.) also schvartzer, "black person" (somewhat derogatory), 1961, Yiddish, from schvarts "black" (see swarthy). Perhaps originally a code word to refer to black servants when they were within earshot, as its German cognate, Schwarze, is said to have been used: In Baltimore in the 80s of the last century, the German-speaking householders, when they had occasion to speak of Negro servants in their presence, called them die Blaue (blues). In the 70s die Schwartze (blacks) had been used, but it was believed that the Negroes had fathomed it. [H.L. Mencken, "The American Language," Supplement I, 1945]
White is a thing... White race means Aryan/Indo European... The White race is made up of several sub groups which are Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Baltic, Uralic, Italic, and Hellenic peoples
Sure, but why are there tons of primary sources from the 19th century “proving” that the Irish were “of a colored race” and showing skull comparisons to apes and Africans? It was all a religious issue masquerading through racial attacks
@@johnpatrick5307The British regularly called themselves decedents of God and the Irish descendants of Apes. Abraham Lincoln, in the Lincoln-Douglass debates repeatedly referred to Irish an a distinctly different race apart from white people. What I’m curious is for present day Irish descendants to call themselves "white" how do they shed the centuries deep history of "white” people oppressing them?
@@2MuchpjpThe term 'complexion' was historically used to denote the hair and eye colour of white people. The Websters Dictionary of 1828 defines the term 'complexion' as 'the colour of the external parts of the body', which is what hair and eyes are, external parts of the body. 'Swarthy' is a figurative term that was also applied to white people. Walt Whitman described himself as having a 'swarthy face', and George Washington Sevey was described as having 'blue eyes, a heavy shock of dark hair, with a rather swarthy complexion'. Neither of these men from the 19th century were black - see their photographs. ThThe term 'complexion' was historically used to denote the hair and eye colour of white people. The Websters Dictionary of 1828 defines the term 'complexion' as 'the colour of the external parts of the body', which is what hair and eyes are, external parts of the body. 'Swarthy' is a figurative term that was also applied to white people. Walt Whitman described himself as having a 'swarthy face', and George Washington Sevey was described as having 'blue eyes, a heavy shock of dark hair, with a rather swarthy complexion'. Neither of these men from the 19th century were black - see their photographs. The author of the video has used a mishmash of irrelevant evidence and is targeting the gullible. The Vikings used hair colour as a descriptor, this can be seen in names such as Halfdan the Black, Eric the Red and Harald Fairhead. Charles II was called 'the black boy' by his own mother as he was the only child with black hair and dark eyes - this is evident in the painting of Charles and his siblings by Anthony van Dyck. Charles II's brother James II (same parents) was never described as black - which completely gives the game away for people with a balanced mind. There were plenty of white people described by colours, German Footballer Ulf Kirsten was knicknamed der schwatte (or the black one), British PM John Major was known as the grey man and boxer Jack Dempsey was known as kid blackie. The Campbells of Glenorchy had a black Duncan in their family tree, and they also had a grey Colin - which is a clear indication they were referring to hair colour and not skin colour. The Vikings used hair colour as a descriptor, this can be seen in names such as Halfdan the Black, Eric the Red and Harald Fairhead. Charles II was called 'the black boy' by his own mother as he was the only child with black hair and dark eyes - this is evident in the painting of Charles and his siblings by Anthony van Dyck. Charles II's brother James II (same parents) was never described as black - which completely gives the game away for people with a balanced mind. There were plenty of white people described by colours, German footballer Ulf Kirsten was nicknamed der schwatte (or the black one), British PM John Major was known as the grey man and boxer Jack Dempsey was known as kid blackie. The Campbells of Glenorchy had a black Duncan in their family tree, and they also had a grey Colin - which is a clear indication they were referring to hair colour and not skin colour.
Interesting. Your source seems good and scholarly. It does surprise me, seeing how enlightened he was regarding the Indians. He admired them. At the Albany Indian Congress of 1755, he suggested the confederation of the colonies with their own Parliament -- using the Iroquois Confederacy as his model.
On the one hand, The Founding Fathers were seriously thinking of making German our national language. On the other hand, you might well ask "German? Which one?" since Hochdeutsch and Plattdeutsch are almost separate languages, and much the same can be said for the existence of Italian, Arabic, Japanese (my daughter spoke relatively fluent Tokyo Japanese, but couldn't understand a word at the Osaka table at U of Texas at Austin). As for "swarthy" Germans I give you the quote by Bismarck: "A Bavarian is a combjnation of an Austrian and a human being."
Not quite, Bismarck's remark (if it's genuine, there are other unoffending versions) needs to be interpreted in the context of the long standing feud between Prussia (Bismarck), Bavaria and especially Austria. Austria is the only "German" state that has resisted the unification. This has nothing to do with swarthiness.
@@fietereim8190 I'd say that when you go south from Prussia and Bavaria is next, and then you get to Austria, swarthiness is probably party of the deal. I've talked to Italian-Swiss and Austrians on this topic going the other way: "Why is West Germany the luckiest nation? Because they don't have West German tourists!" The Austrian lady I knew had been a waitress in a remote town in Austria, and when the bill was presented in Schillings, the West German woman said "No, how much in REAL money?" (meaning Deutschmarks as if Schillings were cowries or wampum or Yap stone money).
@@robertjohnson5838 Take it as you want, but as a German myself I am not aware of this swarthiness categorization you allude to. We generally "discriminate" by dialect and Bavarian and Austrian aren't the most detested ones. Granted, there is some uppityness towards Austria, but this stems from the difference in size (83 vs. 9M people). And even if German tourists make asses of themselves, it doesn't mean that Schillings were real money. 😂
He mentioned that some groups were "swarthy" and/or "tawny". Is there a chance that some of them could have had a darker hue than the people in those countries today?
If anything, Germany has become much more "swarthy" with Italian, Turkish, Syrian etc. immigration eversince. Maybe German and Swedish immigrants back then just couldn't afford powder to whiten their faces.
@@alexanderfo3886 Or maybe they just had a slightly darker hue to them, compared to British people. By "darker", I don't mean brown skin like an African, but just a shade or three darker than let's say, a stereotypical pale, red haired Irish person or something like that. Also, there might not have been a difference in complexion/features at all, maybe it was just used as a way of "othering" a different ethnic group who would be competitors to them (british descendants).
The Swedes are in fact noticeably more 'swarthy' than nearby Norwegians or Danes, and possess physical features which are less Nordic with flatter noses. This probably originates from relative proportion of Western Hunter gatherer-Eastern Hunter Gatherer ratio. Which is higher amongst Swedes (more paleolithic, less bronze age) than other Germanic people.
I think it’s so funny that people accuse you of doing CRT. First off CRT is a college level legal course. So you have to be a graduate student and have majored in law before you can even begin to understand critical race theory. Secondly, having watched a couple episodes on your channel I know that you’re probably about 1/16 black and that’s enough for you to start getting hate apparently. Keep up the good work.
I am an Italian and get discriminated frequently in the 21st century here in America because I am a brunette with olive skin color. Well, I tell you what I am extremely proud of my ancestry and the way I look and if the ultra pale people dont like it then toooooooo bad they just have to get used it. The other amazing thing is that we the Italians dont hate the ultra pale/pink people whatsoever! Peace.
I'm also a brunette (dark brown to be exact) with pale skin and blue eyes, but I'm mainly British and German ancestry lol. Also been told I could also pass for Italian a number of times, which is odd considering I only have 4% of that in my DNA.
@@darrellm9915 4% of Italian DNA? There is no such thing as "Italian DNA". Italian is a culture and a nationality not a DNA. Celtic, Gemanic, Etruscan, Berber, MIddle Eastern markers could be found in Italian populations. Companies that sell DNA tests based on nationalities are scams. I beleive only in USA do some people believe that European nationalities are equivalent to fixed genetic groups. To me, a native Spaniard, it sounds completely false.
@@Momoa786 I know. Some people just look Italian regardless of their complexion, which is why I could tell that Sylvester Stallone was, even from a distance. Yes, maybe it's a British thing lol... I don't know. But I have the same phenotype as Henry Cavill who looks sort of Italian. To the extent that if I spotted him walking down the street over there, he wouldn't look out of place, in my opinion.
OMG, there is a video here on RUclips of an African American girl who was so discriminated on her vacation to Italy that she decided to cut it short and return to the United States. She says that they are the most racist people in earth. And besides that they almost look like Arabs.
I love what you said about seeing each other as a family! We really are all so much more alike than we are different, but those cultural differences are also a big part of us, our country and our world. Most of my ancestry is English, but I also have Irish and German ancestry. Plus half of my family is from the northern U.S. and half is from the south. Thinking about my ancestors and history often leads to tense feelings because they often fought & hated each other, along with hating & oppressing other cultures. It's an awkward balance between accepting & even embracing where I came from while intensely disliking what many of my ancestors thought & did.
I just want to take the time to thank you for sharing your history and your journey with us. Watching your videos and seeing how you learn and uncover the facets and secrets of your family is enlightening to us all. While you may be probably undergoing your own revelations, we the viewer are experiencing our own. And your critical thought on race, history, lineage, family, society etc and how they intersect has been a very gratifying experience for us all. Thank you for sharing!
Stop! Hitler used the term "swarthy"? I think not! Swarthy was a term used for "black" very dark skin. Germans, Scot-Irish, Irish (Black Irish) , Italians were Black. The French Haugenot were Black. Franklin was a runaway meaning a poor English that didn't pay his debt.
There are NO "Black Irish" - the Irish are actually the whitest (very pale) people in Europe - its the British who came up with that term, of course - the British are actually darker than the Irish, being colonised by so many peoples (See: Mass Migration into Britain in the late bronze Age). Theo-called "Anglo-Saxons" were very diverse, including African people (See: Daily Mail Updown). The Irish are the most Aryan (Indo-European) people in Europe - See Son of Manu.
I can't tell if you are kidding. Many people were described as swarthy that didn't have black skin. Lincoln described himself as having a "dark complexion" and that his father had swarthy skin. He was not black. You need to remember the time period.
@@timeforchange3786 You’re dealing with an Afrocentric. Its an attempt to claim so called ‘original Europeans’ where black/African. They will also claim native Americans where black/African. And all based on just past descriptions like ‘swarthy’. It’s hilarious and delusional.
How comes that, exept for recent immigrants, no black people live in most parts of Europe now? What happened to these so-called black rulers of Europe? And when did these black people arrive in Europe? The roman writer Tacitus in his book Germania, chapter 4 (written 98 CE) describes the Germanic people as blue-eyed and red haired (Latin: caerulei oculi, rutilae comae). So today (exept recent immigrants) no black people in Europe, at the time of Tacitus no black people in Europe. But somehow they still ruled Europe before the Renaissance. How that? What most afrocentrists fail to understand is, that the knowldge of history is derived from sources and not a made-up fanatsy you can change the way you want.
Thank you for sharing. It puts into sharp relief the arbitrary nature of prejudice. That the attitudes held by intellectuals towards various races can change radically over several generations. I have no doubt the Romans had very unflattering opinions of the peoples of Britannia in their day.
I didn't know about Franklin's animosity towards the Germans, but I did know that I have ancestry who lived in the Philadelphia area and they were not permitted to send their children to an area school, so they started their own school. students were taught in Pennsylvania Dutch and they welcomed any kids in the area that wanted to come. Most of my family ancestry traces to German communities here before the revolutionary war, but the only branch of my family who retained the ability to speak and read Pennsylvania Dutch, came from a community in the Philadelpia area that made sure their kids were educated regardless of if they were welcome. So, people like Franklin in their attempts to seperate Germans, may have helped to unify and preserve our culture.
His animosity towards the Germans stemmed from the fact that at the time of the Revolutionary War, Germans made up 1/2 the population of Pennsylvania. Franklin felt PA was a British only colony, and he viewed the people from Germany as invaders. However, William Penn, the founder of Pennsylvania did not feel the same way, and in fact welcomed the Germans, who he considered excellent farmers as they added value to the colony.
I would suggest that the situation you describe here would have been the rare exception rather than the rule. Pennsylvania Dutch (or Pennsylvania German if you prefer) children routinely attended public schools in Pennsylvania after public schools were established in the 19th century.
@@BritishIsleBoy24 In the Pennsylvania Colony Germans were 1/2 the population at the time of the revolution. Even today, considering how many other ethnic groups have come to PA, 26% of Pennsylvanians have German ancestry.
Just for you, I looked up the word swarthy in a dictionary from 1857 and the German meaning there is "braungebrannt". That would be sunburnt or deeply tanned, like a sailor or a peasant, people who are exposed to the elements all day or even night and day. Those people would not be very well educated etc., so someone full of his own importance and superiority might call them stupid. That does not mean they belonged to the negroid race. The sun can make other people's skin dark and other people can be stupid. Neither is exclusive to people from sub-Saharan Africa.
TRIBALISM! Lot's of people tend to reject the concept of "globalism." The more fragmented one's thinking pattern, the more likely one is not to be able to identify with 'the OTHERS." In the past I have discussed embedded "enthnocentricity" with Asians (Chinese, SE Indians, & Japanese.) Not all members of those cultures are ethnocentric but I suspect that many are. When I was in the Army I was surprised to see American GI's who were White, Asian & Black reject the cultures of Vietnam & Germany (two places I was stationed). They made fun of all kinds of cultural idiosyncrasies and also had racial slurs for the locals. In Vietnam there were terms like Slopes, Gooks, Zips. In Germany it was terms like Krauts, Dubes, etc. And it was not just the White soldiers using these racial slurs. Many of the GIs all seem to have a common tribal identity: coming from the "REAL WORLD" (being an American.) The simple truth of my personal experience is that some cannot relate to any kind of diversity and prefer an exclusionary environment. This is not just a White Man problem. The more fearful one is of the unknown, the more likely one is likely to seek the safety and security of the known and that which is already understood.
If I understand what you are stating; people like their own kind; Don’t you think that this idea runs counter to the history of the world? There is a vast record of groups meeting and mixing and creating new societies. No doubt some of the mixing was preceded by war, but humans have been walk straight up on 2 legs for about 300,000 years. And humans have walked all over the globe!
People of European descent in America better start getting over the fact that Europe had a great portion of Europeans of African descent. Especially during the Moors conquest of Europe and the MOORISH descendance afterwards, who ruled Germany, Spain, Portugal and France. Also, became descendance of royalty throughout the Mediterranean.
That's ridculous. There was never a Moorish conquest of europe, the Moors conquered only the iberian peninsula, and even this region was never completely under their control, Asturias was not and was the starting point of the reconquista. The Turks conquered parts of south eastern europe centuries later, but I hope you don't want to make the Turks of african descent. Sorry that the real history doesn't fit into your fantasy how the past should have been.
@@klausroxin4437 You have no idea what you're posting. You're letting your arrogance dictate your ethnicity on the matter of history. The Moors moved into all areas in Europe, including the Eastern Baltic/Balkans areas. The term Bal refers to BLACK. Moor isn't the only word that represents dark skinned people. There're many words that do as there are many words that refer to Caucasoid/white.
@@paparage2.027 Wich source (not fantasy stories by afrocentric "historians", but primary (!) sources) exist for your claim that Moors moved into all areas of Europe? And if so, why did all these black people dissappear magically? I just ask, because today 99.99999% of all black people in Europe are recent immigrants that can't traced back for more than some decades.
Frankin was an "Escapee" from indentured servitude. Thus, all the "Freedom and Equality " Rhetoric in the "Declaration of Independence." and the Constitution.
I think he might have been talking about Southern Germans-Austrians near the Bavarrian/Bohemian border who are celtic. Celts were known to be dark haired and not blonde hair....These celts are the same ones who went to Northwest Spain..Many look like the man in my avatar who is not German (but who has been mistaken for German by Germans) or like Abraham Lincoln.
Bavarians and Austrian are majority Germanic DNA, they are the direct descendants of the Bavarii and Tyroli Germanic tribes.. The Celts originally inhabited south Germany were pushed out, there was very little mixing with them
@@mwol5473 Northwest Spaniards are mixed with celts of south Austrians and that's a fact. Look up the Astures of Asturias . And South Gemans do have a Celtic look with their fine and pointy features that resemble north Spaniards.
Frankly we’re seeing the same sort of shift within the black community. As much as I’d like to ignore it, there’s racial supremacy theories emerging, like melanin theory and just general talk of superiority. It’s fascinating how things shift.
100%! it is sad to see. A black Principal in Atlanta was sued for separating the classes by skin color. This is definitely not heading in a good direction.
@@timeforchange3786 not if people let everything slide. Hurt people hurt people. I think it’s important to have empathy for what’s led to this, while remembering the 2nd part.
We are not seeing a shift in the institutions of America. Do people who identify as white give up their status of whiteness? No. Whiteness is still the standard. This talk doesn't rearrange a racial hierarchy. It doesn't create different outcomes for people in out-groups.
What's amazing is , these so called judges and analysts generally from England that migrated to what we know as America , these humans should never forget about where they originally came from.
In today's world, we call hate & discrimination "racism". For me, "racism" is only one way to hate. We can hate based on religion. That is one of the oldest forms of organized hate. In Europe, hating has been commonly done based on ethnicity. It still exists. Brits still call Frenchmen "Frogs", for instance. Where I grew up in Chicago - there were no "white" people. There were Polish, Irish, Italian, Bohemian, Swedes, and Greeks. And, they did not always get along. Each were called names based on their ethnicity. I see Franklins prejudices as a part of that. We don't generally talk about or condemn ethno-centrism, so even today, it is seen as quite acceptable. Oddly, a person can be quite prejudiced in one way, and then be very enlightened in another -- at the same time. The dynamics of Hate, discrimination, and subjugation can be both horrific and interesting.
I had no idea about Ben Franklin. Another very interesting video. Something to think about as I look at the German side of my tree who came to the United States as indentured servants in the mid 1700’s.
Franklin describing Germans as swarthy is hilarious. While I take your point about “whiteness” not really existing, going by skin and hair etc., if anything I would say English people tend to be a little darker than Germans on average. And the Swedes? Come on bro. Scandinavians are the whitest there is! Russians are probably more blonde haired and blue eyed than the English on average too. From the painting, Franklin was brown eyed. And Franklin sounds like a German name to me too.
Point taken. However, what qualified as "White" or acceptable, really had little to do with complexion and more to do with religion, culture and language.
@@ryan7864 Yes, I agree that those factors were very important. That is, for instance, how the Irish were excluded from whiteness. But, they still tried to tie skin colour to it. Which you can clearly observe from Franklin’s use of the word “swarthy” to describe Germans, Swedes and Russians. The word swarthy literally means “dark skin colour”. It is related to the German word for black - Schwartz (English being a Germanic language). So Franklin is making a claim that those peoples have observably darker skin than English people. They don’t, and I say this as an English person (though I am 1/4 Jewish, so maybe that makes me darker, but this is also true for English people in general that I see every day). He must have been selectively sampling the people he saw in a way so as to reinforce his preconceived notions.
@@willmosse3684Ah, but they didn’t “try to tie skin colour to it”. The use of skin colour in relation to the Irish in America is a modern invention. It was invented in the 1990s by American Marxist Noel Ignatiev, who wrote a rather ill-informed book called “how the Irish became white”, which conflated skin colour with class.
@@davidpryle3935 People keep saying that, as if Franklin’s actual words don’t exist. He refers to the Germans and others as SWARTHY. This words means dark skinned. So he absolutely is talking about skin colour.
The original Aryans were Indo-Europeans of the ancient east and were most probably African-Asian people. I suppose that Arianism and the Oriental Aryan people are perhaps two distinct historical elements to consider... The reading of "Christianity of positive Protestant reform" sheds much light on the thought process even of those today of this particular religion. The deep roots of the origin of all this is a further clue as to how and why.
In German, Schwarz means Black. Schwarzenegger, as a homograph looks like Schwarzen!gger / Schwarzeniger. If Schwarzenegger arguably means Black farmer, then here are questions to ponder: In the era of Ben Franklin (the 1700s), would a Schwarzenegger, and/or other Germans unmistakably appear [as a a shade of] Black, as a so called Negro? Or, would the Germans (200 years later) look more like Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger? How would you know? You trust that all historians, and artists are honest? In Franklin's era, the so called, white [wight/wite] colonists were the minority in a melanin dominated majority of Indians. Consider: India, Indian, Indiana, Indigenous/Indus = Black. Today, when people think about the so called, U.S., most view the U.S., as a white nation. Is it possible that 250 years ago, Germany was a Black Nation, much like the Americas were filled with Indigenous/Black nations? How do you know?
Queen Sophia Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was Queen of Great Britain and Ireland, as the wife of King George III. And she was a Black Queen from Germany. The Queen City, Charlotte in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina is named after said Black Queen. Additionally, North & South Carolina is named after King Charles II; known as Black Boy; a Black Prince, who became a Black King. How many in the U.S.; especially the Carolinas are aware of said history? Many ASSume that Europe was ALWAYS ruled by so called, whites: Is it possible that Germany, Sweden, other parts of Europe were under Black rule, and/or have a more pronounced Black population in Franklin's time, than we see now, 250 years later? Is it possible that Black people were dispossessed of Germany, and Sweden, as the [Black] Indians have been here in the U.S.? How do you know?
@@winterlinde5395 , if I told you to read Nature Knows No Color Lines, by J.A. Rogers and he provided visual references, and historical documentation, then would you believe what you saw? Believe what you read? Or would you deny what may be plain evidence, because you do not see it? You are unable to / do not want to see it? If you REALLY wanted to know, then could you have gone to a library, and researched your question for yourself?
If someone provided portraits of Meghan Markle w/her hair straightened, and w/her skin pale, and no one also showed you a picture of her mother, who is undeniably Black, then would you say about the portraits that you have seen of Meghan Markle her Black ancestry doesn't show? Would it negate that by British, and American standards that Meghan is Black?
@@TeamDeen I really just wanted to know. Libraries are shut at the moment, here at 00:42 o’clock. And I doubt if they have anything about her in my small town library. German Wikipedia didn’t tell me anything and you seemed knowledgeable, so I chose the easiest option for me and just ask you. I didn’t want to bother you. Thank you for the book recommendation. Why would I not believe?
Ok so who are these swarthy Germans he talks about? In a letter, he said that the Germans of his time were of a darker complexion and called Germany one of the “sons of Africa.” The other sons of Africa were France, Sweden, Spain, and Italy. So to Ben, white was also a skin complexion. The name of the essay is “Observations Concerning The Increasing Of Mankind, Peopling Of Countries.”
@@johnnyearp52 yeah man, it tripped me out too. The name of the essay is “Observations Concerning The Increasing Of Mankind, Peopling Of Countries.” It’s an easy find on google.
During Roman occupation along the Rhine, etc., Nubians (perhaps others as well?) were part of the legion. Beethoven’s swarthy complexion has been explained that way.
@@beth3535 Ehhh... I wouldn't put too much stock in that theory. As an amateur Roman enthusiast, I can say.... the vast number of Roman Army recruits came from where a legion was stationed. Legions along the Rhine were mostly of Gaulish and Germanic heritage. Along the Danube it was Thracians, Greeks, Dacian and many others. Along the Parthian frontier it was mostly Syrian and Semitic. Sub-Saharan recruits were a rarity and would mostly be confined to Roman Africa posts.
I've been watching your channel for a couple of years now. The history, the genealogy... but I only just subscribed. I love the new broad direction of your channel covering history in general. What a great opportunity 👏 Considering your own personal history.
If you want to see how poorly Italian, Irish and German immigrants were treated the research the Ludlow Massacre in Colorado. My Grandfather was born in the mining camp and he and his father barely escaped the National Guard
When Benjamin Franklin spoke of us Germans being non white wasn't about color of our skin,you can't get any whiter than us. He was speaking of non assimilation and integration with the particular society in which he lived. We were beasts and they were refined. That is what he meant,not skin color. But behavior.
I’m really enjoying your posts on many levels. You should know in the Nuremberg War Tribunal prosecuting German SS officers, they were asked "…where did you get the notion that some races were superior and some inferior” the Germans answered” the United States”. White nationalism is not only firmly rooted in the United States but the US served as an inspiration to Nazi ideology. If one is trying to determine who is "white" the first thing you need to refer to is a calendar. The book “Hitler’s American Model” by James Whitman is a good scholarly reference to how much Nazi ideologues leaned on their ideological “cousins” in the US.
SPEAK TRUTHFULY; NOT IN CODES, AS COLORESS EDOMITES! LIKES, TO DO! FOR DURING THE HOLACOST! HITLER'S MAIN MISSION, TARGETED PEOPLE, HAVING SWARTHY COMPLEXION, THE SO CALLED "BLACKS;" ISRAELITES JEW! NOTWITHSTANDING, THE EDOMITES PROPAGANDA, FUELED BY HITLER'S REGIME & DARWINISM THEORISTS; WANTED THE WORLD, TO BELIEVE, "SO CALLED, "ISH" WYTES, WERE EXTERMINATED, BY HITLER; WHO'S ALSO, AN ISH! FOR UNRIGHTEOUS CAUSES; BUT TRUTH IS, HITLER WASN'T RIGHTEOUS, AS YHWH'S TRUTH, REVEAL! IN THE BIBLE SAYING! "I KNOW THY WORKS, & TRIBULATION, & POVERTY, (but thou art rich) & I KNOW THE BLASPHEMY OF THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, & ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN; REV.2:9!" THOSE "ISH" HYPOCRITES & [HITLER REGIME], LIED; PUSHED, & WORSHIPPED A FALSE DIETY; JESUS! & DELIBERATELY SPREAD, FALSE NARRATIVES, DURING THOSE ERA! THE SWARTHY "BLACKS;" GERMANS JEW; ARE THE ONES PERSECUTED & GENOCIDED; THROWN IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS, IMPRISONED, GAS CHAMBERED, CASTRATED, BURNED, & BURRIED; ALL FOR THE SAKE OF EUGENICS; & TO DEPOPULATE, THE REAL JEWS; THE SWARTHY "BLACKS!" FOR REASONS BEING; WHITE INFERTILTY & INSECURITIES! RACE MIXING, & PUBLIC SUPPORT, OF HITLER'S PROMOTION OF WHITE SUPREMACY! ALSO BACKED BY, AMALEKS AGENDAS! THUS THE PICTURES OF ASHKENAZIS; SEEN IN PRISON CAMPS! WERE STAGED PROPAGANDAS! DURING WORLD WAR I & II; ERA! & WAS A PLOY, TO DEPOPULATE; RIDDING & HIDING THE SWARTHY, BLACK POPULATION! FOR THERE NUMBERS, WERE MANY! EVEN SUPPORTERS; LIKE MARGARET SANGER, A ISH, SAID; ELIMINATE THE 'HUMAN WEEDS!' BECAUSE OF HATRED & JEALOUSY, FUEL BY ELITE EUROS; WHO'S PERPETUAL HATRED OF YHWH'S PEOPLE & ISRAELITES INHERITANCE, FOR BEING, THE REAL JEW'S! MORE RESEARCH, SISTA, & MAKE SURE, TO REVEAL TRUTH, RIGHTEOUSLY! ESPECIALLY LIVING, DURING SIMILAR PERIOD! LET'S NOT HIDE, GOD'S WORD & TRUTHFUL EVENTS, UNFOLDED! SIGNS ARE EVIDENCE; WE KNOW, "& THOU SHALT BECOME AN ASTONISHMENT, A PROVERB, & A BY WORD, AMONG ALL NATIONS WHITHER the LORD SHALL LEAD THEE; Deu.28:37!" THE DARKIES; "JEWS" WERE CALLED "SWARTHY!" SHALOM! ALL PRAISES & GLORY YHWH BAHASHAM YAHAWAHSHI!!!🔥🔥🔥🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Thanks for covering this history of Germany. I know you won't look into the real history of Germany but this will give pple a hint that Germany used to be a Blakk country just like most of Europe and the UK.
Immigrants? Us Moors were there living peaceful long before & until the 1400s when we brought Ben Franklin Ancestors out the Dark Ages, this is Madness. Let's learn History please
Thank you for your excellent work. As an Aboriginal American Indian, it is difficult when teaching people about the true American (1828 Webster's Dictionary definition) history of Amerika. We often get dumbfounded looks and sometimes negative feedback because we are telling and SHOWING people via documents and statements like the ones you have presented that Amerika (pre-colonization) and many other parts of the world were primarily populated with what is known today as People Of Color. There were very few regions of the world with large populations of Caucasians. I think the hardest thing for me to deal with is constantly explaining that there is a difference between Native American and American indian and that all dark skinned people are not from Africa. I will admit that it does get kind of annoying when people ask where I'm from and I say that I am from here, that I am an American indian, and they comeback with "aren't you an African American?" So I completely agree with not putting everyone in a box and allowing people to tell you their culture instead of those trying to determine what others culture is.
My friend where did you learn true history , every human being mankind on the planet ancestry came from Africa ... Noah had three sons SHEM , HAM , japheth the alone populated the 🌎 after the flood
@@davidgilbert3380 I have lot more sources i can share with you if you would like just know that some are only available via purchase. Let me know and I will be happy to share that as much as I can with you. Have a better than great day david gilbert.
SPEAK TRUTHFULY; NOT IN CODES, AS COLORESS EDOMITES! LIKES, TO DO! FOR DURING THE HOLACOST! HITLER'S MAIN MISSION, TARGETED PEOPLE, HAVING SWARTHY COMPLEXION, THE SO CALLED "BLACKS;" ISRAELITES JEW! NOTWITHSTANDING, THE EDOMITES PROPAGANDA, FUELED BY HITLER'S REGIME & DARWINISM THEORISTS; WANTED THE WORLD, TO BELIEVE, "SO CALLED, "ISH" WYTES, WERE EXTERMINATED, BY HITLER; WHO'S ALSO, AN ISH! FOR UNRIGHTEOUS CAUSES; BUT TRUTH IS, HITLER WASN'T RIGHTEOUS, AS YHWH'S TRUTH, REVEAL! IN THE BIBLE SAYING! "I KNOW THY WORKS, & TRIBULATION, & POVERTY, (but thou art rich) & I KNOW THE BLASPHEMY OF THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, & ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN; REV.2:9!" THOSE "ISH" HYPOCRITES & [HITLER REGIME], LIED; PUSHED, & WORSHIPPED A FALSE DIETY; JESUS! & DELIBERATELY SPREAD, FALSE NARRATIVES, DURING THOSE ERA! THE SWARTHY "BLACKS;" GERMANS JEW; ARE THE ONES PERSECUTED & GENOCIDED; THROWN IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS, IMPRISONED, GAS CHAMBERED, CASTRATED, BURNED, & BURRIED; ALL FOR THE SAKE OF EUGENICS; & TO DEPOPULATE, THE REAL JEWS; THE SWARTHY "BLACKS!" FOR REASONS BEING; WHITE INFERTILTY & INSECURITIES! RACE MIXING, & PUBLIC SUPPORT, OF HITLER'S PROMOTION OF WHITE SUPREMACY! ALSO BACKED BY, AMALEKS AGENDAS! THUS THE PICTURES OF ASHKENAZIS; SEEN IN PRISON CAMPS! WERE STAGED PROPAGANDAS! DURING WORLD WAR I & II; ERA! & WAS A PLOY, TO DEPOPULATE; RIDDING & HIDING THE SWARTHY, BLACK POPULATION! FOR THERE NUMBERS, WERE MANY! EVEN SUPPORTERS; LIKE MARGARET SANGER, A ISH, SAID; ELIMINATE THE 'HUMAN WEEDS!' BECAUSE OF HATRED & JEALOUSY, FUEL BY ELITE EUROS; WHO'S PERPETUAL HATRED OF YHWH'S PEOPLE & ISRAELITES INHERITANCE, FOR BEING, THE REAL JEW'S! MORE RESEARCH, SISTA, & MAKE SURE, TO REVEAL TRUTH, RIGHTEOUSLY! ESPECIALLY LIVING, DURING SIMILAR PERIOD! LET'S NOT HIDE, GOD'S WORD & TRUTHFUL EVENTS, UNFOLDED! SIGNS ARE EVIDENCE; WE KNOW, "& THOU SHALT BECOME AN ASTONISHMENT, A PROVERB, & A BY WORD, AMONG ALL NATIONS WHITHER the LORD SHALL LEAD THEE; Deu.28:37!" THE DARKIES; "JEWS" WERE CALLED "SWARTHY!" SHALOM! ALL PRAISES & GLORY YHWH BAHASHAM YAHAWAHSHI!!!🔥🔥🔥🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
@@stevenNchaddyif anyone is concerned about indigenous Indian of thus land look up Jesse Jackson 1989 the reason we're called African American...nothing but a troll carry on
Hi, Romero! First, i'd like to underline the fact that what Franklyn called "germans" actually was we call "jewish". This explains that swarthiness and other features. BTW, The surname "Romero" in Spain is utterly Linked with gipsies. Tierra are other surnames as "Amaya", "Heredia", which everyone here know their background. Thanks for the video! Greetings
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They became accepted when they mixed with caucasians and diluted their complexion. Your complexion is what was refererred to back then as "sallow". "Tawny" was kyrie irvings complexion to The color of a penny. Swarthy was Denzel Washington's complexion and darker. You're comparing two different stocks with centuries of difference when you bring in Hitler.
@James Vesta - Languages, Buddhism, Tractoring You're a different stock of German from the people Benjamin Franklin was referring to. Most Americans of German descent descend from the migrations caused by the revolutions of 1848. I'm not trying to discount your heritage.
I know in the late 1970's when I married, my in-laws thought my last name (which is Dutch) was German and they weren't pleased. They were Mexican American and didn't want the marriage any more than my White father did. But they all got used to it and loved their mixed grandchildren, including the great-grands who are 1/4 Japanese. Boy do they have some interesting DNA! 😂 We're all one race--the human race! Character is what matters.
@@-parttimeartist-7379 The Germans Franklin was talking about came from the Palatinate region of southwest Germany.
Considering that immigrant Germans and German Americans were both included in people who were detained in internment camps in both World Wars, perhaps after that? I know I got rude comments as a child after hearing my surname.
I think Franklin mentioning Germans and Swedes as "swarthy" was based on his observed reality (only he didn't realise why the reality was such): he knew no German or Swedish immigrants that were slave owners and/or from the upper classes; all German and Swedes he had encountered were rural labourers or small farmers working their own land - after years working on the fields, they were all tanned.
Absolutely! Classism is often mistaken for Racism. In every culture, even where most people share the same genetic makeup, people who are darker are frequently looked down upon, because they do physical labor outdoors. It's not Racism, it's Classism.
That's interesting and explains a lot. I was wondering why anyone would consider Germans not white enough.
@@oliviakrause3336 They get tan when they work outdoors. Physical labor has never been adequately respected, but it's necessary.
All racism is classism, as it's a socioeconomic construct. But a tan is not why Franklin called them swarthy. Lots of Northern European have olive undertones to their skin, they always have, even the blond and blue. People knew the difference between a suntan and naturally deeper complexion and coloring even in age of men wearing lead based court makeup to pale themselves out. Franklin knew what he was saying.
@@oliviakrause3336 Franklin didnt want the Anti-Slavery Germans to settle in US America. And Franklin was right. Its the majority of German settlers who fought slavery in the USA and fought for its Independence from Britain.
Many US-Historians say that without the German settlers there probably would still be a form of slavery or forced labor in America.
When Historians talk about the UNION, the absolute majority of the UNION was German.
Andright after the USA gained its independence the British Empire started to attack the German Empire which they then sacked in 1806. The Germans then reestablished their Empire in 1870 and then Britain crushed it again.
The German Empire re-established in 1933 and Britain crushed it again.
Franklin did not want the Germans because of their Anti-Slavery Laws in Germany implemented by the Holy German Empire in 1220.
Here is the most funny thing about Franklin's comment: Fast forward a few years to the War of Independence, and the Pennsylvania Germans played a pivotal role in the defeat of the British. In fact, if it were not for the large number of PA Germans fighting in the Continental Army against the British, there would be no United States of America.
I live in Cincinnati which is a historically German area, especially on the West Side. I think most would be surprised to hear Franklin describe Germans as swarthy. I am abt 25% German on my dad's side from the DNA. No Sub-Saharan African or Native American of any substantive amt at this time, but I think swarthy would describe my deceased dad and my adult son. Thru the paper trail, we still can't figure out where they get their dark complexion.
Thanks for all your great history lessons, Danielle.
@@debismith6239 i wonder if you possibly have Roma/Gypsy heritage?
@@debismith6239
Like Henning Wehn?
@@timeforchange3786 Great observation.
That's America's history. They use the expendable groups, not white but wants to be accepted by white, to do their work while they claim the victory and the benefits.
I wish more people would wake up to what white means. Then, maybe then, we would have significantly less people identifying or trying to identify as white.
I had an uncle on my Mexican side that I called the ‘most Mexican’ of all my uncles. Turns out, he was adopted and he was in fact a Bavarian German. Dude looked like Saddam Hussein and was culturally as Mexican as Vicente Fernandez lmao
the MOST MEXICAN. I am dying laughing right now
The Bavarians are of Keltic descent from the La Tene Kelts. This is why the Bavarians and Swabians have never gotten along.
I thought Vicente was Welsh!
Most people in the West aren't who they think they're
If he looks like Saddam then he’s not that German now is he?
The problem is that the English are descendants of Anglo Saxons, Jutes, and Frisians along with Britons, Danes, and Norman French. The English themselves were and are a mixed ethnic race. All of those cultures mixed and became the English ethnic group. It's reflected in English culture and Language. Ben Franklin was obviously uneducated about his own ancestry. That's the ironic part he was essentially being racist towards himself. Anglo Saxons, Frisians, Jutes, and Norse are technically Germanic tribes. The Norman French are a mixed ethnic group of Norse man and French. The French were another group Ben Franklin looked down upon. Again, being racist towards himself. Also, the Britons themselves, native Celtic tribes of Great Britain, were looked down upon. Irish Scottish and even Welsh. Our founding fathers didn't totally understand the history of their ancestors. The Saxons originally came from the region in Northern Germany, Southern Denmark called Schelswieg Holstein region. The Angels came from Northern Germany, Western Holland. The Jutes came from modern-day Denmark. The Frisians came from the Netherlands. The Norse came from Scandinavia. To go back even further before the Anglo Saxon days before the dark ages, Britian was again a mixed race culture of indeginious Celtic tribes and the Romans. The Roman Empire was a multi cultural society in itself. Roman soldiers garrisoned in Britain came from all over the Roman Empire. From Spain, North Africa, Greece, Italy the Middle East, Gaul, Turkey, parts of Yugoslavia clear to Germany. Those said groups did mix with the indigenous Britons. In a sense, you have an already multi cultural group mixing with Germanic tribes. So I agree that being white really isn't a thing. The reason is borders and language changed throughout Europe. There is no such thing as being pure whatever. Europe is a small continent with a harsh climate and limited resources. Different ethnic groups became subject to stronger ethnic groups. There was constant warfare because of limited resources.
hate always comes around to bite you on the ass.
@@krono5el HahAha
"Anglo-Saxons" was an invented term for a diverse group of peoples.
So its false pride and ignorance that creates Racisism. Odd that they also think themselves superior yet don't remember who all they are. There are not many humans on the planet in different parts of the globe that has the narcissistic mentality as the Anglo Saxons of Europe. So all those mixing were not a good end result. Its the same as inbreeding. In this case, it affected their mind. The concept eludes them. The flaw with this breed is that it only recognizes and sees skin color on home sapiens. They have a mental disease that they are not even aware of. They are on a level of spectrum that will never be healed. Yes, insane people can also be intelligent, but insane none the less. Well, now that explains everything. If you hide behind the concept of white, you can appear normal.
@@johnpatrick5307 sons of Issac. Smh
“White people” have a range of skin colors, eye colors, hair colors, and hair textures. We are more diverse than anyone gives us credit for.
I agree with this so much
But yall used it to attack each then everyone else its comical, especially in racism, u guys didn't understand each other lmao
And they refuse to admit when they are WRONG
No you you recessive genes which means you are not the norm. You cannot produce a dark skinned child but a Black woman can. Recessive genes is not the foundation
@@brian_Austin27like the Native American tribes graping each other into extinction for thousands of years until we made them stop unaliving each other and deal blackjack at casinos instead?
Those darn cruel whites!
*Seethes in airplanes and smartphones*
In reading the comments, there seems to be some confusion in what "German" people Franklin was concerned about. Prior to the American independence, there was a large influx of German speaking people from the Palatinate Region of Europe. Most settled in Pennsylvania because unlike the other colonies, William Penn was accepting of them, as he considered them excellent farmers and an asset to his colony. The Palatinate Region consisted of an extended area along the Rhine River that included areas that are now in Southwestern Germany, Eastern France, and parts of Switzerland. All these people were German speaking, but not all of them were from what is now Germany.
I will add that the Amish, which Pennsylvania is famous for, actually originated in Switzerland and many people who ancestors were "Pennsylvania German" when they take a DNA test and trace their ancestry back to Europe, are often surprised to learn their ancestors actually came from Eastern France.
eastern france or the area of "elsass-lothringen" is mainly inhabited by the tribe of the Alemannen. This tribe is also found in south west germany and switzerland. that area in east france was fought about for many centuries. the land of "Karl dem Großen" was divided under his grandsons in 843. Karl the bold got france, ludwig the german got germany and the eldest, lothar got the middle from netherlands down to Rome. lothar died early and his land got divided. remains of lothars heritage are nerherlands, belgium, luxemburg, switzerland and elsass-lotharingia.
Aleman in the Spanish language means German person. Very interesting.
@@bucktooth002thats where the spanish word is from yes
Some of my German forebears were from the Palatine region, Mennonites who emigrated from Switzerland in the 17th century, and it's true that they were "darker", i.e. more brunette, than people of Northern Germanic descent. I have a family photo of my great-grandparents and their children, and if you told me they were Jewish I would believe it.
Yeah, my paternal ancestor was an Alsatian.
My impression is that Ben Franklin was impressed with Ben Franklin.
Almost everyone else failed to meet his standards.
this made me really laugh out loud.😂
@@nytn Sorry,but that Statement about German immigrants being "Swarthy & rather Stupid" made Franklin seem like kind of a Jerk!
In other words, he was a typical WASP.
Mark Antony, Good one. Now pick another ethnic or cultural group and negatively stereotype them too. Catholics? Asians? Blacks?…don’t stop you’re on a roll.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 No one else needs mentioned. WASPS are turds and everyone who isn't a WASP knows that.
The Anglo- Saxons that conquered England were from Germany. The English language is Germanic in origin. Did Ben Franklin remember these things?
99% of British are genetic Celt Brition, the Anglo-saxon were a minority of leader.... remplace layer by Normands (that speack french Normands) ...until 17 century, English nobles used to speack French ...that cause English hâte French....
Anglo means white . The original saxons were negros
@@jdagreat4595 prove it
@@benyahudadavidl no it’s a fusion of the names of the Angles and the Saxons 😂 stop lying
Jemeel haha brainwash English 😂😂Hitler said English is inferior race 😂😂😂
I don’t understand the complexion part, but indeed Ben Franklin feared about a “loss of culture” as Pennsylvania was rooted and grounded by the English. He didn’t want to see the loss of English culture
Swarthy meant dark skinned, black. Try the Noel Webster's 1828 dictionary
@@Alf-gx9wj but the Germans, who came to Pennsylvania were very tan because they were farmers mostly and they had a little darker complexion
The only ones who lost their culture in America were the natives, the Black people who forgot their origins outside just being from Africa, and the immigrants who failed to entirely preserve their culture in the face of government supported Anglicization, just a few European festivals, cuisines, religion and at least 10% or less of their modern descendants know the immigrant languages and the rest end up adopting English as their first language.
Later on Pennsylvania it was observed that a sign on a bridge which was in German and English, had slightly different meanings. The German was straightforward, "No galloping on the bridge". The English which was directed at their Scots-Irish neighbors said, "gallop on the bridge at your own risk".
This is awesome, thanks!
Maybe some people don't like to be forbidden to do things.
Benjamin Franklin’s fears indeed came true. The German started to Germanize Pennsylvania really fast.
Pennsylvania- colony founded by ENGLISHMEN and with help of other Brits such as Scottish and Scots Irish
There is an old saying in England: "The wogs begin at Calais". I'm afraid this exemplifies the sense of racial superiority the English have towards other Europeans, let alone those from outside Europe. When the English emigrated to America they brought this attitude with them. In the modern age, this hostility to other Europeans, particularly those from eastern countries, was one of the causes of Brexit.
Throughout history, the English have had delusions of superiority. The attitude predates British expansion. The Scottish, Welsh, and the Irish were the first to suffer from it. Baffling really. Strange mentality coming from such a small little island.
Yes, many French Huguenots had swarthy complexions as well.
@@timeforchange3786 Strange how today, many people tan their skin to look more “swarthy” and back in the day, it was considered a bad thing.
@@free22 very true, I have always thought people of mixed race were the prettiest and got the best of both worlds. I just wish all the hate, tribalism, and fighting would stop.
@@free22 Isn't it easier to feel superior on an island? Your enemies aren't as close.
Other Europeans who were not considered white; Jews, Irish, Italians and German. Swarthy indicated 'dark skin'.
Russians, Swedes. Everyone except the English, even though the Stewart's were black.
You are reading too much into Franklin's statement. Here is a passage from a journal from 1745 (six years prior). It can also be verified via JSTOR.
'If we proceed from the swarthiest white Person to the palest Egyptian, from thence to the fairest Mustee, Molatto, Moor, &c. to the darkest Indian'.
J. Mitchell in Philosophical Transactions 1744-5 (Royal Society) vol. 43 122
The term swarthy is figurative and was historically applied to white people with darker features.
swarthy means black stop it it means black in germaan and english tawny means dark thereal germans excluding the saxons wer all blac swarthy
@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 no it was not it was refered to black people stop the lies european are not
@@charlesbranscomb8493Wrong. It's a figurative term also applied to white people with darker features and tanned skin.
Another great video Danielle! I’m learning how “white” was a very changeable concept through history, and it just serves to reinforce that race isn’t actually a thing, it’s what we make it.
WHAT IT PROVES IS THAT WHITE PPL HATE EVERYBODY EVEN THEMSELVES, IT DOESN'T GET WHITER THAN GERMAN ARYAN RACE
You never been white you are pink recessive the true meaning of Black in the English dictionary
True, as a group moves into the mainstream of American life they become white, some groups faster than others.
Race is clearly a biological recognition on consistent terms. There are sociological applications of racial categorization which are different than the biological categorization recognition of races.
Wrong.
Race is a thing.
The Germans that Franklin referred to were "black".
Yes,"black" people were in Europe for hundreds of years.
The Crusades and Renaissances were wars against "black" people.
Study history,actual history.
My adopted sibling is Finnish. The Finns' language is completely different from the Scandinavians. Their traditional culture and spirituality was based on nature and animals, similar to First Nations cultures in North America, not the stories about Thor and Odin and all those guys from Marvel (ha ha). One theory is that they came from Indigenous tribes in Asia, i.e. Siberia, who travelled and intermarried with northern European people and eventually became the Finns. There are also Indigenous Sámi people in the Nordic countries who were mistreated and had their drums burned, and were forced to assimilate or be killed, and other horrible stuff. Today, a lot of people consider them "white", but if you look at pictures of them from a hundred years ago, many of them look almost identical to First Nations people in Canada and the U.S. Another theory is that they also originated in Asia and migrated to northern Europe and became reindeer herders. I've read people from parts of Europe say they aren't as hung up on the concept of "race" as some other countries are so insistent needs to be the lens, and don't give a rat's butt about classifying everyone into a color block. So like you, I agree that white does not seem to be an actual thing. I didn't realize Ben Franklin was such a jerk, but since people are complex, it's interesting he's one of the few founding fathers to free his slaves, because he apparently realized they weren't inferior to him. I'm not sure of the timelines of his feelings on all that. But great video, you have so much good stuff, and so many true stories to learn from.
Informative comment.
@@carolwoodward6141 Thank you! I'm mixed so have had a lot of time to think about what "race" means. It's not what I thought when I was a kid.
Yep All Us are One ❤
Race is NOT about color. Race is about morphology,…. of which color is only one part amongst several, many, sundry,….
@ Rocket Reindeer 💩💩💩
As a German, I am not shocked by this. I _was_ shocked when I first learned that the Irish were once not considered white. That's just ridiculous if you assume it's really about skin color as the term 'white' suggests.
The idea that most Germans are blond and have blue eyes, or that we all have _particularly_ light skin is ridiculous. Our language came from Scandinavia, but only a small part of our genes. The Nazis even had an insane breeding program to make Germans Nordic, but on average we never actually were. (Look for "Lebensborn" if you want to know more.)
Germany has always been a melting pot right in the center of Europe, although we also have significant internal diversity even today. (I am sure I could easily tell whether a crowd of people wearing neutral clothing is from the North, the South-West or the South-East.) We have roughly equal proportions of the three major groups that make up Europeans: (Western) Hunter-Gatherers, Early European Farmers, and Indo-Europeans. At least since we were colonized by the Romans 2000 years ago, we have had a strong connection to Italy, which is far enough in the south for people to have a relatively dark, Mediterranean/Middle Eastern complexion. I think most Germans who moved to America were farm workers, so they were tanned from working outside all day. A conspicuous subgroup were the Amish and Mennonite people from Switzerland who had first been welcomed in South-West Germany, but had got into conflict with the authorities there as well due to their extreme religiosity and complete rejection of military service. They sought to lead a life just like people in the Bible and rejected any technologies that might get into the way. Some still reject electricity in their homes today; of course Franklin had no sympathy for them.
Franklin's concept of 'white' here seems to be based on a distinction between 'worthy to be a citizen' and 'potential slave material'. This particular form of racism arises in a race-based slavery system. Europe profited from such a system, but essentially never had it on the continent itself. This is why racism in Europe is different than in the US. There was never a need to tell at a glance whether someone is a slave. In particular, when people are obviously 'mixed race' or from a 'race' that looks very European, such as many native Americans, most of us here in Europe genuinely don't see them as belonging to another 'race' at all.
@@Momoa786 Look at a photo of Adolf Hitler, for example, and think about how 'Germanic' he looks. He was Austrian, but that's essentially the same as South-East German (Bavarian), and he came from a border town anyway. (Hitler is a popular example for this because it demonstrates how silly the Nazi 'Aryan' concept was that a lot of people still take seriously.)
You seem to be mistaking 'Germanic' for a 'race' or something that people have in their DNA. But in reality it is a culture. Germans in the North, and Dutch people even more, on average look a lot like Scandinavian and Baltic people. They may have got it from Scandinavians who brought their genes along with their language, or it may have been there before as they were related to the Balts. Most likely both. But in the more populous South that's not true. Here most people look more like French people or people in and beyond the Alps.
If you look at genetic distribution maps for traces of the various prehistoric populations such as Western Hunter-Gatherers, Early European Farmers, Western Steppe Herders and many others, you will see that for most of them, Germany is not homogeneous. Almost all are noticeably more common at one end than at the other. Scandinavia and the Baltics are particularly associated with Western Hunter-Gatherers. The corresponding genes, some of which seem to be responsible for typical 'Scandinavian' features, make up about a third of the Genes of North Germans, and a fourth of South Germans. This difference is significant. It means that these features are noticeable in slightly over half of North Germans, but too diluted to be noticeable in most South Germans.
No such thing as Middle East. It's the land of Canaan and Canaan is the grandson of Ham who is swarthy burnt, Dark, Black.
stopit my people didnt look lie no europeans they looked similar to the ethopian which is why they lied and told them they came from africa this info is all there in all them spainsh and french books go read
My grandfather fought the Germans, not blue-eyed blond Germans, but Africans, people from Asia, the Middle East, and so on. It is pure propaganda that people of color were not welcomed in Germany during World War II, when in reality, many of them trained there, fought there, and committed numerous crimes throughout Europe, particularly in relation to the Mufti of Jerusalem
@@Super50ldier The 'cross-breeding' of early Europeans is not a fantasy someone dreamed up, it's based on the DNA of prehistoric finds. The earliest finds are Eastern and Western Hunter-Gatherers, so called because they start before agriculture spread to Europe and fall into two clearly distinguishable groups (plus mixtures between them where they come close to each other). Later finds of genetically distinct people come from the time when agriculture first spread over Europe from the Middle East. (Agriculture was invented in several region around the globe when the climatic conditions became suitable. The region relevant to Europe is Anatolia.) And even later finds of again distinct DNA are associated with herding and artifacts of Indo-European culture such as horse-drawn wagons used for sport and war.
One detail that I left out in my previous post because it wasnt' relevant: While _most_ of the genes of modern Europeans are a mixture of the genes of these early 'pure' groups ('pure', not pure, because they themselves obviously started as mixtures; look up the founder effect in genetics if this confuses you), it is _not_ true for our Y chromosomes. Y chromosomes are only transmitted in the male line, and the vast majority of Y chromosomes of modern Europeans come from Indo-Europeans. Most likely this means that the Indo-Europeans gradually took over the entire continent through conquest, integrating captured females into their culture but klling all the males. In other words, a colonization/conquest event roughly similar to what happened later in North America.
By the way, genetic evidence also indicates for at least one group of early Europeans that when they first came from Asia they started out with very dark skin, blue eyes and blond hair. (Physical features reconstructed from the genes.) The modern Balts are relatively pure descendants of this group and in their majority have blue eyes and blond hair to this day, even though the skin color got significantly lighter very fast because of the northern latititude's selection pressure. (Skin cancer is essentially no issue in northern Europe, so there is no substantial benefit to pigmentation. But vitamin D scarcity in winter _is_ a huge problem there, so people with light skin are more adapted to the region. Since there are a lot of genes for pigmentation and your skin color basically depends on how many you have, this is something that can change within a few generations.)
This is very interesting! I am German, and working on my families genealogy. By that I came over tons of ancestors who went to the US. Big numbers of early immigrants came from southern Germany, Württemberg, where more people are of darker skin- and haircolor. There is even a history of expelling poor village people, selling them to the US. (German history of immigration is quite complex, linked to political matters, Germany not being one country til 1871. Being German before that mainly meant, being from a state where german was spoken.)
The English feel a kinship with Dutch, Frisians, Lower Saxons. Schleswig-Holsteiners and Danes. Southern Germany and Austria is traditionally viewed as Popish (Catholic) and Italian and French influenced.
Thank you so much for this. Any books, films, documentaries you can recommend, would be appreciated. Alexander Von Wuthenau, a German scholar, with many books on archaelogical finds in Mexico, apparently left Germany because of disagreements with Hitler related to the concept of Whiteness. Your information seems to verify this. Any resources would be appreciated.
@@tancreddehauteville764 You are right, just my Württemberg ancestors, who emigrated to the US were pious protestants...history is not always that easy.
I dont understand the meaning of the word swarty as in color. As far i know Germans and Scandinavians and the Irish are white ,.
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The "English" are very mixed, and not particularly white.
Its the Irish who are white. See: Son of Manu.
my parents are from nicaragua and my grandma (dad's mom) descends from german catholics (austrians and bavarians). Her maiden name (mayrhauser) was traced to a bavarian named walter von mayrhauser, he was a franco-prussian war veteran who fought against the french in the bavarian army. nicaragua received large influxes of german immigrants from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s.
Do you speak German?
@@martinn.6082 no, but my dad can and still does speak it fluently. he attended the german nicaraguan school since he was in kindergarten which teaches all students german from childhood to adulthood or until they graduate.
@@PizzaKing19 interesting. I'm German myself, but married to a woman originally from Mexico and we have a son together. I hope he learns both Spanish and German...
I'm a west Highland Scotsman. Like all Celts we didn't get to be white people for a long time lol. My paternal grandmother was Irish. She used to tell me about the signs in hotel windows in London 'no blacks. No dogs. No Scots or Irish.
Here in Scotland the clans of the North west were barely considered human by their own lowland country men and women....'if a heeland man is alone with a woman - he will not read the psalms to her'. 'They are never hungry in the deeps of winter. Pity their children'. Charming old folk sayings lol.
Truth is we are all just people.
Archie, this was absolutely wild to read. Thank you for sharing
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At least you’re not German (as per Franklin 😅)
As a German-American, let me say this, Saxony is the largest state in Germany, not only that, but King George the third was from the house of Orange, that is he was from the Netherlands which also included parts of Saxony ! His first language was German and the reason he brought Hessians to America to fight his war with us, he knew them and spoke their language. So if Saxons were OK, where does Franklin draw the line?
You are going well beyond where I did but I’m glad! I agree, this is always the problem with the little boxes, where do you draw the line? Great comment, thank you
What Is the relevannce of King George?In Frranklin's time he had no power - Parliament was runnin England
Sometimes I think Franklin was more especially fond of rosy cheeked fair skinned people from NW Germany primarily (light brown, hazel, green and blue eyes all fine, blonde, red and brown hair all fine as well, but the skin color and facial shape, structure, also bodily smells, etc. should be Saxon primarily), but sometimes, I get the impression that Franklin wanted an especially godly, noble, angelic kind of European people here. I know about his beef with Samuel Keimer. I think this played into his thoughts about Germans a great deal, particularly the tendency toward extreme cultural conservativism, dogmatism (rigidity) and extreme thriftiness in Swabians, etc. The aversion to olive toned or tanned skin, black hair, etc. with some Alpine nationalities (Swiss, Austrians, Bavarians, Swabians, etc.) may have actually been secondary in intensity compared to his dislike of the German “psyche”-esp. the more severe, intense sorts of behaviors that he perceived in more Southern Germans. Whereas Franklin saw the Saxons in Northern Germany as being more calm and peaceable, like the English. Less “surly”, etc. (Heck, some of that can be attributed to diet. Northern Germans and the English have historically eaten more fish compared to Europeans further inland in the continent, like Southern Germans, who likely ate more pork and beef historically, etc. But again, that dogmatic narrow-minded whole deal with Franklin’s view of Southern Germans, that seems to factor in pretty heavily with Franklin’s outlook on Southern Germans, Swiss, Austrians, etc. I imagine that Northern Italians are similar, Hungarians, Czechs, etc. (in Franklin’s view).
House of Hanover. His great-grandfather, George I, was the Elector (Kurfürst) of Hanover who became the British king because he was the next Protestant in line of succession. That George was the one who couldn’t speak English and spent most of his time in Hanover.
I think you’re confusing George III with William III. He was of the House of Orange, he was a Dutch prince who deposed the Catholic James II in 1688 and married his daughter Mary. They died without issue and the throne passed to Mary’s sister Anne in 1702.
Edson Romualdo had said that there were many Swarthy people in the Germany during the world wars. He have been reading vintage books about the Swarthy Germans
Henning Wehn?
Take a look at German footballer 'der schwatte' Ulf Kirsten - a dark complexioned white guy.
@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 no no no thats what it means stop it
@@charlesbranscomb8493 Taken from Hill's Manual of Social and Business Forms (1881).
'Two distinct types of complexion exist among the white race, namely the light haired, fair and ruddy complexions, termed Blondes; and the dark-haired and dark-skinned, called Brunettes.'
Somebody being described as dark complexioned doesn't always mean what you may think!
It's strange to think that who we today think of as the whitest of whites - Germans and Swedes- were swarthy in 1700s. 😅
Interesting observation. Last year I worked in the southernmost tip of Baden-Wurttemberg, and was surprised to note that many of my co-workers down there (all full-blooded local Germans) were olive-skinned.
They have a swarthy complexion and are not white, only germans from northern germany are considered white.
I have not done much research on my German ancestors because I have focused mainly on my Virginia, Italian, and Irish ancestors. When I think of Swarthy I think of my Virginia/Tennessee, Italian, and Mexican/Native American ancestors. Swarthy was described on some of their Civil War descriptions. I never really thought of swarthy for German people.
This made me Google to confirm which members and I came across the FreeAfricanAmericans website that showed white women who enslaved/indentured themselves in contracts in order to marry and free African men. I would love for you to do a video on the subject. With all the division in the world today and the assumption mixed race babies of the earliest generations must have come from rape situations, I think stories of love would be a great video.
Germans from southern Germany have darker features, they were probably the largest group of German immigrants at the time.
Shaddup 😡
therewereno african men them was the real indians
@@charlesbranscomb8493stop stealing other ppl’s culture.
YOU ARE NOT NATIVE.
So interesting that German people are more homogenous than British people who later became Americans through their independence from British rule. The British historically are a mix of different Native Celtic peoples, Roman invaders who later made part of Britain part of the Romam Empire. Later after Rome's fall, Germanic tribes (Anglo Saxons, from modern day Germany, Jutes from modern Denmark), Viking Raiders from Norway/Sweden, all a mixture of different groups of people added to the mixture of present day British people. the English language itself is not a "pure" language but a mixture of different languages brought over by the different invading groups.
It's funny how people mention angles from Denmark and Saxons from Germany.This is complete spurious, because Saxony did not exist until the 8th century(An and even that was different from the modern Saxony), Denmark did not exist until the 10th century.Those people that came over in the 5th century, when in that landmass that in the future would become Denmark and Saxony, were as much English as they were German, because these terms meant nothing until generations after they were 1st attributed to the people, who then would then begin to get an embedded identity in reference to the terms aand other people similarly identifying. Those people coming over weren't or Danish in anyway whatsoever.Then a couple of generations after they moved in Britain annd mixed with the indigenous they became something else entirely.
My ancestors came from Germany to Pennsylvania about the time Franklin was saying this. They settled in Elizabethtown, PA.
Francis,IT is not the Pennsylvania Dutch, That term was bastsrdarized by Americans. IT'S DEUTCH-GERMAN
That’s the bad thing about Pennsylvania. An English colony is now Germanized
Whats with your english supremacy? Brits lost the war@@ProudAngloIrishScotWelshUlster
But why? They should’ve gone somewhere else where they actually speak German.
Poor farmers huh?
My Polish cousin always gets mistaken for Armenian and even iranian..But because he Polish people place him in white catagory
Technically Armenians and Iranians are considered white in the U.S. (all Arab people are).
Another good read is ‘Jews and Muslims in British Colonial America: A Genealogical History’. You’ll find out more about some of these swarthy/Sephardic European peoples.
🤔🧐……. You’re swarthy…..
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Jews were described by an American "anthropologist" as being a mixture of the "Mediterranean race" and negroes.
Others claimed they picked up some "black blood" from living amongst the descendants of Canaan the descendant of Ham.
@Glen Ros Franklin did not generalized. He simply stated the facts that most Europeans were dark skin people.
these people do not want to learn real history. They want to hold on to their lies.
Depending on genealogy or ancestry test, I'm 70 to 80 percent German and that's also a bit fuzzy because my dad's mom's parents came from Alsace-Lorraine. Found out about Franklin's views on German immigrants from an online friend who lives in Pennsylvania, who is Deitsch aka Pennsylvania Dutch and is involved in keeping the culture and language alive. Ironic that at least until the Revolution, Colonists would look down on Germans as King George III was of the House of Hannover (German) and his wife Charlotte was from Mecklenburg in the northern part of what would become East Germany. I've read in the early years of their marriage they spoke German to each other until she learned English
King George = Hanover = North Germany=White
Thank you for sharing that relevant historical information.
Hi Mr. David! your last name caught me off guard...mine is SCHMEHL..I have been told that we also came from alsace-loraine..that's just too neat.!
@@jamesschmehl5972 My dad's mom's parents came from there with the surname Molyet likely in the 1890s. My surname Mehling (at least those I'm descended from) traces back to Bavaria and a family who left in 1849. The name similarly is a coincidence
@davidmehling4310 thanks for the reply Mr.Dave.
The Germans that Franklin describes did, in fact, maintain their German language up to WWI. I have one great grandfather who was a descendant of those early ethnic Germans. He was the 7th generation born in Pennsylvania. While he was not swarthy, his first language was German. He had a thick accent all his life even though he lived and married outside of his community of origin as a young man.
Exactly. Franklin was making empirical observations.
@Don Jindra His judgment that they were poorly educated was premature, I have no doubt. But people who have just arrived in a foreign country, fleeing the devastation of war, desperately poor at the moment don't always give the best impression to the natives. An ethnic German from somewhere along the Rhine River would be unlikely to speak English. French, Dutch, Italian, or a local Slavic language would be far more likely as a second language for them. Their clothes would be strange, foreign, and travel worn. They may have pawned nearly everything they had just to get there. Franklin's own French was not of the highest quality. Two people trying to communicate in a third language often find that neither speaks nor understands it well enough for mutual communication.
@@joanhuffman2166 "His judgment that they were poorly educated was premature, "
Maybe so, maybe not. Neither of us were there to know the situation. But he is merely saying that the poorly educated Germans are the ones arriving in America. He is not saying all Germans are poorly educated.
@@donjindra I only say that appearances can be misleading. Newly arrived refugees don't make the best appearance at first. English speaking Americans had a different opinion of their German neighbors in a short period of time.
@@joanhuffman2166 I'm saying there is a difference between being wrong and being a bigot.
This is why I have always said that our great nation has yet to acknowledge its centuries of hate culture.But then people tend to get very defensive.How can a nation of freedom and prosperity possibly have a hate culture?And they tend to think that I am referring to just people of African Ancestry where much of that hatred is directed.And as soon as they think that,then they say i am exaggerating and trying to play the victim card.But in reality American society during its history has always found a group(s) that they didn't like.The key has always been,at what point does a society decide to take its foot off the necks of the groups that they don't like.And then when that happens when do such groups began to enjoy greater upward social mobility and social acceptance.What astounded me is when one day out of curiosity I googled "Major racial and ethnic riots in US history".Boy was that list long.Meaning you had groups from all backgrounds clashing against one another at one time or another.Causing injury, property damage and death.I had no idea that Arabs had clashed with the Chinese.IN 1906.For instance.Its important to understand this history and be humbled by it.And understand that it wouldn't take much for a madman Candidate to finally light that match of a racial and ethnic tinderbox.America has always been flammable from its inception.
This video is lying. Franklin did not hate the Germans.
@@donjindrano you are lying about the video. Unchince your panties and educate yourself with facts.
Hate culture came from white folks.
@@donjindra You're right. He didn't hate them, he just looked down on them.
Any country with multiple ethnicities or religions will always have clashes. This is why a unified identity is so important. We must all fly the same flag and speak the same language. Otherwise this country will fall apart.
Hi Danielle!
Thanks for the video! Just wanted to throw a quick thought/ question out there as well about the German immigrants in the 1800s. My ancestor came from Germany in 1750 but with a Spanish/ Italian name. Through DNA testing ydna, we found out that particular side of my family were Sephardic Jews. I have a distant relative who is a Genealogy teacher that seems to think they were Sephardic in the 1600s in Germany but then started to integrate into German society etc. Some people believe they may have even been crypto Jews in America because of patterns of intermarriage within a small community and the fact that one of their descendants knew he was Jewish but would not/ did not tell why he didn't reveal that. Anyways, my hypothesis is that Europe is a big mix of many ethnicities and just because you are a German national doesn't make you an ethnic German. In fact, the Jewish people were under much pressure in Europe at that time and I wouldn't be surprised if other " German immigrants could be Jewish. Any thoughts?
I thought about the Jewish angle, but didnt have any great sources for it while I was making this video. I think it is a really good possibility
I think you are absolutely. It was just a few years ago that I found out my Oma (German for Grandmother) was of mixed race. I always said she looked Jewish, apparently, my great-grandmother married a German Jew. it wasn't until I looked on the European map where I was born, that I saw how close I was to France and Switzerland. I always remember my mother talking about my oldest Aunt going to France to visit relatives. My mother also mentioned how they would visit family in Switzerland as well. My mother very blond but one of my aunts had dark hair and green eyes. As I got older it sparked something in me to know more about my homeland and history of the Germans. When we came the states in the early 1960's the trend was that you come here, and you assimilate. You learn the language and customs; my sister who was of school age had to learn English before she could start school which put her behind by a year. Today, there is no assimilation. I believe we have to many immigrants coming in illegally and it will reunion our economy as a nation; we can't sustain this. In history, and on television, they tried to make the Germans look like they were dumb but they were a long way from it. The Germans infiltrated the USA through project paperclip. The Americans brought many over that should have gone through the Nuremburg Trial to be hanged. Instead, the Germans were given good jobs and a new identity.
"just because you are a German national doesn't make you an ethnic German" -- That is actually kind of wrong. Would you say there is such a thing as ethnic (US) Americans, and just because you are an American national doesn't make you an ethnic American? I hope the thought makes you uncomfortable, as it's the kind of thought that tries to exclude people who have papers to show that they belong, fit in culturally, and have nowhere else to go. That's not just true for America, it's true everywhere.
I have an uncle who, by an accident of nature, looks very Japanese even though we have no Japanese ancestry in our family, only a little French. Of course he is an ethnic German anyway. But the same is true for any German citizen with exclusively Japanese, or African, ancestry who grows up in Germany, speaking only German in their family. Ethnicity is about culture, not genes. There is just a major statistic correlation with genes that can suggest, but not prove, someone's ethnicity.
If you think this makes no sense because it means that all those ethnic Germans, ethnic Italians, ethnic Irish etc. in the US _aren't_ -- well, that's because they really aren't. If you don't speak the language of an ethnicity and don't fit into its society because you have totally different values and have never lived there, then you are not part of it. In America the concept of ethnicity, as it relates to the immigrants' countries of origin, diverged from the original concept.
Yes. My father's family were Dutch (Norman) and came to new Amsterdam NYC on 1st ships in 1624. Many Sephardic Jews and Muslims moors were expelled from Spain and came to amsterdam . Many came to Dutch colonies. There were very few colonists so as long as they converted to Dutch reform they were allowed to marry into Dutch families in the colonies. The term black Dutch refers to many things in US but in my grandfather's case it is the Sephardic Jews mixed with Dutch colonists. Very swarthy. It is funny Ben didn't have anything to say about the Dutch in colonial America even though they kept their language until the 1930s. The Dutch West India company kept detailed records and most are online now.
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They could be jewish without knowing it. My mother's DNA-Test came back with 13%Sephard. I did her family tree and during the 18th century I found several women that had no catholic paper trail before their showing up as wives at birthing kids, but without having added birth-family-names, like the other women. I came across an article that during the counterreformation children were seized from non-catholic families to be monastry raised. And these kidnapping-victims weren't just protestants, as it was general knowledge, but also Jews, Muslims and Sinti&Rom. Those monastery-raised girls obviously were part of a marriage-brokering for widowed farmers with many kids.
I also found hints of 'crypto-jews' - mainly inkeeps but also travelling tradesmen, stone-masons, river-boat-men and musicians with names that were just their job-description or a colour, and that had a rather odd marriage pattern with getting wives from unusual long distance that would need professional marriage brokering and the families of the wives - or their mothers - often having romanic family-names.
Germans have always had a few brown individuals. Consider the name Brunhilda from German mythology. It literally means Brown Hilda. But because of Hitler people stereotype Germans as blond and blue-eyed. If you pick up storybooks of Heidi so many times, she is illustrated as having blond braids. The book describes her as having short, curly black hair.
Yes! My kids have a vintage version of Heidi and I was surprised by her original hair color
Heidi is Swiss
@David Steiner and ethnically German. Heidi is a nickname for Adelheid.
Even Hitler did not have blond hair. He was just obsessed with blond people even though he was not one himself.
88% of modern history is whitewashed.
Ben Franklin maybe liked “red heads” because they don’t tan.
Colorism is a thing. An easy way to set up caste systems and make “others “.
White is a thing because the people in power, want it to be.
It is fluid like power sometimes ( from historical perspectives).
Fluid is the word I was looking for but could not find! Thank you, exactly.
@@etruscancivilization hmm, that's interesting! I've heard that was the case with Hitler. He was certainly not blond and blue-eyed as he wanted Germany to be.
That is what I have always read as well
@@nytn you are welcome 🤗.
Again, let me thank you for your channel. The issues of race, ethnicity, and immigration are so central to what we are as Americans and we desperately need to come to grips with the irony and hypocrisy of our nativist thinking. Keep doing what you're doing.
American culture, customs and cuisine didn't come from just England. America got their culture from other countries, other cultures. Keeping a decorated tree in your home on Christmas is a German or Scandinavian pagan tradition that predates the Scandinavian and German people's conversion to Christianity. The custom of decorating eggs on Easter originated in Eastern Europe. Carving a jack-o-lantern on Halloween is an Irish custom from Ireland. Laying a wreath on Christmas is an tradition that originated in Ancient Greece.
Hamburgers and hotdogs, a traditional American food, originated in Germany. Pizza and spaghetti, that Americans are fond of, are from Italy. French fries were thought to come from Belgium or France.
Italians, Germans, Irish and other immigrants didn't leave their culture behind in their homelands. They brought their culture along to America. America is a multicultural melting pot of various cultures.
Actually pizza originated from Greece. The Italians just improved upon it!
@@kellymartin3412 yes but it was the italians who introduced pizza to america.
@@Lenioogami yes the Italians did introduce pizza to America, but if you grew up in New England, especially Massachusetts, then you know that every town has a house of pizza and every house of pizza is owned by Greeks! And they will be the first to tell you that the Italians didn’t invent pizza, it was the Greeks! Lol
@@kellymartin3412 house of pizza? So greeks don't call them pizzeria. I see. Well, we can agree pizza was not invented in america. Imagine what american food would be like without hamburgers, hotdogs, pizza, french fries and spaghetti, all of which were introduced by non-british immigrants. It would be as bad as british food which has been rated the worst food in the world
The beloved american buckaroos/cowboys came from spanish vaqueros and later on mexicans left their imprint with tex/mex and chicano culture.
Love what you are doing. You could write a book using your great research "what it means to be american"
AMERICANS IS AMERICANS PEOPLES OF THE AMERICAN CONTINENT 👉 BRAZILIANS , ARGENTINIANS, MEXICANS , CANADIANS, COLOMBIANS, BOLIVIANS IS AMERICANS
South. Americans is a part of the America's. We have North America 🇺🇸 and South America.
in 1942 when Meyer Lansky applied for WW2 the U.S. government classified him as "dark complexioned" (which according to Kurimeo's scholastic logic would mean Meyer Lansky and the Israeli mob were Akon's color.)
thank you im glad another kurimeo fan is here these people are dillusional in these comments they want swarthy to mean tan so bad but it means them niggas was akons color and tawny was the rest of the brown shades
I have Benjamín Franklin books in 1751 speech there was a black German king George the 2, sitting on the throne in England..
THAT DOSNT MEAN HE WAS BLACK IDIOT
Dark featured, not black.
Swarthy means black according the 1828 Noel Websters dictionary. You're either only looking at modern dictionaries or it doesn't matter what books before 1850s and dictionaries say what swarthy means.
@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 The name given to him by his mother was, “Black Boy”.
@@ShaunPhillipslimitlessfx Because he had black hair.
As an African living in Europe, this white on white xenophobia is kinda fascinating especially these days. I've witnessed an english man from the south being called a racist because of his expressed dislike for the English from the North😂😂😂 People can't tell the difference between xenophobia and racism
That is because for decades the British working class have been hounded from all corners. Indeed even Brexit was considered in some quarters as 'racist', which in itself speaks volumes.
This has kind of become official these days. Recently Diane Abbott, a black British politician, said that prejudice against the Irish is not racism since they're white. She was forced to apologise and her political party, and many others, said that she was wrong.
@@simmorg290 Interesting, was she the one doing the offending?
@@patriceesela5000 No it wasn't her and I think she was only talking about the past not the present. Although people did say her statement itself was racist.
I’ve also heard a person from southern England mention the northern English are a different race. I know that even in the US the southern English mainly settled along the eastern seaboard while the northern English settled inland, so maybe you’re right.
Yep Germany was a dark skinned or swarthy nation before the mid 1800's. Moors
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You are reading too much into Franklin's statement. Here is a passage from a journal from 1745 (six years prior). It can also be verified via JSTOR.
'If we proceed from the swarthiest white Person to the palest Egyptian, from thence to the fairest Mustee, Molatto, Moor, &c. to the darkest Indian'.
J. Mitchell in Philosophical Transactions 1744-5 (Royal Society) vol. 43 122
The term swarthy is figurative and was historically applied to white people with darker features.
It’s Moops
nodumb ass the moors swarthy but a diferent people
The colonial racial hierarchy is mostly started by the Spanish Colonizers. They had a strict caste system pyramid; Blanco (White) at the top, then Mestizo (Mixed), Native, then Slaves. You should do a video just on that subject.
This is a great idea, I’ll definitely do this!
Oh trust me the wokes do not want to go dig in that direction because then they're gonna find out the spaniards picked that tradition of basing social hierarchies on race and skin color from ARAB MUSLIM colonisers who colonized spain during the 'Andalus' era which... goes against the politically correct ideology of wokeness 😂 watch that person make a video about that though but conveniently omit all those historical facts as well as the fact racial supremacy and race science were first theorized by north african scholars such as Ibn Khaldun long before any european thinker went down that route... I mean that person made a whole video about Armenians being white in america since 1925 yet they're yet to make a similar video about arabs also attaining whiteness around that same era 👀
The way the english and other brits discriminated people of color and even other europeans has nothing to do with the way the Spanish discriminated the different peoples living on their realms. The English backed up their racial hatred using scientific racism as the source of logical evidence to justify their wrongdoings, scientific racism was very popular a couple of centuries ago in european countries were the Illustration was also popular (especially amongst protestants) and one of its most nefarious consequences until today was the development of eugenics. The Spanish and the Portuguese never used scientific racism and other racial ideas derived from the illustration period as a framework to discriminate against anyone. In the territories controlled by Spain and Portugal you were discriminated against if you were not a catholic, if you were not loyal to the reigning monarch and if you were not part of the nobility or related to the high spheres of political, and/or religious and economical powers. A descendant of nahuatl or incan nobles had way more power and influence than a peninsular spanish peasant or commmoner, even if said noble had clear native facial features and the spaniard was "white", even enslaved people could obtain freedom if they paid for it, guess were the family of the last Inca lives today? Perú? wrong, Spain!, The caste system you speak of better describes the situation in India or South Africa, or New Zealand or Canada, or Australia or the USA before the abolition of slavery, racial segregation/apartheid and the anti-interracial marriage laws were deemed illegal during the 20th century, meanwhile the Spanish and the Portuguese had legalized interracial marriages centuries ago. Also, the Spanish were not colonizers and they never had colonies since they didn't replace the original native populations with their own, they intermarried the natives since the very start, creating a mixed population that's still the majority on most hispanic countries, unlike the countries that used to be part of the english crown, plus the new territories that were conquered (not colonized) were integrated as independent viceroyalties and captaincies inside the Spanish empire and were governed over exactly the same as the provinces back in the peninsula, Portugal had coastal factories and later on large plantations that resemble an anglo colony but they're still pretty different in any other aspect. Spain and Portugal have always been different from england/the uk, why do you expect the 3 of them to do everything even remotely similarly just becaurse they use to have empires? Literally their only similarities apart from that are the continent they are located on, being christians (catholics and most protestants are pretty different theologically) and hating the French, nothing more nothing else.
We'll yeah. That's the whole "black legend" that the Anglo world created against Spain. In some way, the propaganda is understandable, it began during their greatest rivalry. But yeah, the Spanish had no issues marrying natives. The caste system was real but, with time, became less relevant. Evidence of this were the natives with titles of nobility. In the case of Peru, specifically, the noble Incas had the royal scepter and had the power to speak for the King of Spain, something that the Spanish colonizers themselves did not have.
It's all history and all public knowledge. You just gotta get into the books.
In the U.S., White legally means non-Hispanic genetic European. In the 16th Century, my English ancestors were harassed for supposedly being swarthy.
I am an Israelite. You may be an ISRAELITE by the seed of your paternal lineage. All nations of people will know when ISRAELITES are gathered/delivered from earth-wide captivity.
Amos 9:9-12
[9]For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
[10]All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
[11]In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
[12]That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the MOST HIGH YAHUAH that doeth this.
Irish too were not considered white either
I did a video on them, too! ruclips.net/video/TVure-y4RpA/видео.html
That's because we are red skinned
In the main this is typical xenophobic exclusion that we see time and again with most outgroups. However, I had some ancestors come here from Germany in colonial times that were quite dark. My great grandfather William Issaac Moak had the last name on his death certificate changed to Munk. On his deathbed he told my dad and I the story of his father saving a dark-skinned man from a Mississippi lynch mob. Grandad said his father spoke with the man in a language that was not the little German he knew. His father then told the mob that this was a black German from the Black Forest. He convinced the mob this dark man was fully European and should not be hung for refusing to say yassah and nossah. The dark man-surnamed Munk-came home with them and preformed a challenging blacksmith job overnight. It was some wagon part that was really hard to repair-days of work for Grandad's father and at the limit of his smithing ability. Grandad was outraged to find this man had also walked away with his father's lightest anvil and some other choice items. His father told him the man was kin-Moak was originally Munk- and not to worry about it. Grandad said these black German's had been enslaved in Europe but were not African. The Romani and Sinti arrived in Germany in the 1500's I believe.
The name Munk turned up again when I attended NC State. The Cloud family history had John Cloud's Paternal line way back into England but mother's maiden name unknown. Well, the residents of New Light Creek N.C.-birthplace of John Cloud and that Boone guy-were happy to tell me about a letter found between some Clouds. It mentioned "our undying shame that our mother was born under the accursed name of Munk". They were also happy to tell me these Munks were not exactly white too. I reacted rather poorly to this racist attitude but fortunately avoided academic and legal penalties.
When I think of dark Germans I think of Roma/Gypsies as well. Around 500k were killed in the Holocaust. Also, New Light Creek is 2 hours from Robeson County, NC which is a large Melungeon community.
@@timeforchange3786 But..I thought there were only Jews in the camps?
@@timeforchange3786well the thing is the sentiments towards gipsies in europe are mostly true. Roma people have been living on crime for centuries. It is the only people that rightfully has been eradicated. Even today they rely on crime and Integration projects fail miserably. Their culture just doesnt accept productivity but glorifies crime. Of course they arent persecuted today so they cause even more damage.
When he is sayig Swarthy he is talkig about their look and customs. Swarthy actually means "Dark and Hairy". Franklin is describing them as unwashed savages but in more upscale vocabulary
Delusional
I found another channel exploring this word swarthy though history and it has changed a lot of my misconception about who was darker then they show us in movies. Great posting. Ty
Yes, many people try to apply definitions from today to definitions from the past. As we all know definitions are changing daily even today. Lincoln was described as dark and swarthy. It doesn't mean he was black.
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Yes exactly, some of these ‘other channels’ try to use these past definitions to appropriate Native American culture, European cultures and even Japanese. It’s actually quite hilarious.
@@rustydogrustydog9191 yes, it is a power grab. It comes from insecurity. The whole "Land Back" gift is using Native Americans for their ultimate goal. When they say Indigenous people they are speaking of themselves but they are trying to trick the naive. Some black people are even trying to get some of the Native American's government money by saying since they were enslaved on reservations they want part of the money. There is a much bigger picture most people aren't paying attention to.
@@rustydogrustydog9191 Rusty and Time. It’s not to appropriate a culture to point t these things out its to show the skin tone of the people are not not all like what they show you in the movies where everyone has pale or white skin. Melanin comes in many shade and doesn’t make you black it just shows there is some in the family tree.
@@DerekFrazier2014
Disagree. As stated before ‘some’ channels and individuals are using this old term to muddy the waters as to the ethnicity of past individuals. I think you yourself are perfectly aware of this. Not everything swarthy meant black or brown the way we understand these terms today. Whites where called swarthy in the past and had nothing to do with black and or African.
Well weren't most of the founding fathers of English descent? In America they didn't like the germans or the irish or the Italians. The divisions are rooted in Europe though and all of those countries over there have fought with each other at one time or another.
I've always contended that the animosity fell along Protestant and Catholic lines. It's not a big deal today but was then.
Bingo!
Thanks!
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The Nazis tried to identify as white but knew they didn't meet the requirements that eugenics in the US held. (By that time the definition of whiteness had manifested into meaning a pure bloodline and almost became a real ethnicity.) Germans knew their bloodlines was and is mixed and couldn't deny it because others in Europe knew it then as well. (Queen Charlotte literally came from Germany.)
So they changed up their messaging to say that Germany, the nation, was superior and plotted to make Germany the super power. That's why they were attacking other European nations. But they kept the same language and still stated race when they meant nation/ethnicity.
That's why today in Europe we still have different ethnicities calling each other different races. It's also why they are killing each other. They are killing other "races" of Europeans. It's gone beyond stupid at this point.
Britain's blood is not pure either. And the purer your blood becomes the more inbred you are.
Benjamin Franklin was talking about black moors that were still in Europe.
He was talking about Germans what the heck?
He was talking about Germans in general
@RebelKing00 There is a statue of a Moor in Germany right now that is holding a shield that is bearing the crest of the Habsburg family. Some say he was the progenitor of that noble family.
@@shamarbodden9096 that has nothing to do with the topic 😂
@@shamarbodden9096 That is probably the most stupid statement on the whole internet, congratulations for that.
There are many statues of a (certain) "Moor" in Germany, namely of the catholic saint Mauritius. He was killed in the 3rd century, centuries before any of these statues where built and definetly not the progenitor of the Habsburgs (or any other royal family). He was honoured as a christian martyr who died for his faith.
Dear black Americans, please stop vandalizing european history. If you have a racial struggle with your white co-Americans, fine, but leave us Europeans (and the Egyptians, for god's sake) out of this debate!
The founding fathers had somewhat varying views on race and nationality. We know more about Franklin in this regard than most of the others.
If I am not mistaken, these are the thoughts that Benjamin Franklin had about Europeans (and a few others) at least:
English: Amazing. Beautiful. Handsome. Spiritually minded. The best people.
Scottish: Hmmm…. Not so sure about those highlanders, to be honest…
Welsh: Yyyeah ok…
Irish: Hmmm…. (Raises an eyebrow)
France: Cultured but darker haired than the English…
Dutch: Very fair, very beautiful people.
Flemish: No problems there.
Walloons: More French…
Germans:
-Bavarians: Yyyeah…. (Swiss/Austrians: same deal)
-Swabians: Oy…
-Hessians: Yeah, ok…
-Rhinelanders: Pretty ok I guess…
-Thuringians: Also pretty ok…
-Saxons: YES!
-Prussians: Hmmm…
Danes: Yep, great people…
Norwegians: Ya shure, you betcha
Iceland: More Norway, shure, you betcha.
Swedes: Not sure about your sometimes tanned skin, but I’m liking that blonde hair…
Italians: Well…
Spanish: Wait a minute…
Portuguese: Now hold on a sec
Hungarians: Now wait just a minute here…
Czech: Franklin covers his face a bit in consternation
Polish: They’re FINE! Look, can we get back to NW Europe a bit more here?
Finland: More “Asiatics”…
Baltic States: Yyyeah…
Russia: Oh come on now!
Ukraine: Can we stop this?
Romania: Will this never end?
Croatia: Look, if you stop this inquisition, I’ll…
Greece: No! Just, No! Ok?
Albania: …
Slovenia: Why? Just…. Why?
Serbia: Go talk to someone else about this…
Bosnia: No! I’ve had enough!
Moldova: Look. Aren’t they just more Slavs?
Slovakia: (Frustrated sigh)
Turkey: Wait! I’m drawing the line! Turks are not European!
Israel: Wait. That’s not fair. I know what you are up to with that one.
Me: “Now Ben, I know you love the English people and the Saxons in Germany as well. I do too. But I also love the Scots, Welsh, and Swiss/Southern Germans, etc., because they are a part of my ancestry. Can you be a little more tolerant of your fellow Europeans there, my man?”
Franklin: (Sigh) “I guess so. But
that Samuel Keimer! I don’t like him one little bit!!!”
“Ok then, I understand. I promise that there are nice Southern Germans who are very intelligent, beautiful and righteous, spiritual, productive people.”
Franklin: (Sigh…)
Me: “Now we just need to work on how you feel about everyone else.”
Franklin: “Just kill me now…”
You really took all this time to write these comments?
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@@BenjaminGessel Or you must have used AI 🤖😂
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“We don’t want THOSE people here!”🙄 Someone in the US every twenty years. My German ancestors weren’t from Germany, they were from Prussia. They arrived around the 1870’s. Like many people from Prussia, they settled in the Midwest.
More like every day
Uh,Prussia is Germany now.
@@davidmilton5887 PART of Prussia is now Germany. It was a big country.
@@sallyintucson
True,Prussia was huge.
After 1871 (until 1918) all Prussia was within Germany
Even some Brits like Russell Brand can be swarthy and look Levantine, especially lots of us South Europeans from Italy, Spain, Greece, etcetera, race is total bs perfectly illuminated here.
Yep, I am darker than some "black" Americans and lighter than some "white Germans". The absolute battleground over black/white is destructive.
Britain had the Romans setle an marry the celts, an those Romans weren't fr rome . I can't remember off hand but eastern Europe , the old Romanian provences maybe . I have a dark English friend an there's no way he's an Anglo Saxon LOL.
I’m confused because Germans naturally are pale with the bluest eyes and blonde hair. I don’t know where y’all are getting this swarthy description for them from.
@@habbaticchio2468 maybe they were ethnic Jews or sinti
My Polish cousin looks Armenian or iranian
Ironically, Franklin's Pennsylvania was not founded by the British, but taken by force from the Dutch, along with New York. In the early 18th Century the French were still engaged in wars among the Germanies (yes, it wasn't united until the late 19th Century). These religious wars created German refugees who sought refuge in Protestant England, who didn't want them except as a cheap labor source in the colonies, namely New York. Since the refugees couldn't afford passage they were given passage in exchange for indentured servitude. What the Germans thought was going to be a short term of work to pay off their passage was a lie. Governor Tyron built labor camps (forerunner of the British Concentration Camps of Boer War) and kept the Germans hard at work as slave labor for years. In 1719 the Germans had enough and they broke out of their camps seeking refuge on the frontier with the Native Americans. The Iroquois League told the Germans where they could set up their own towns and sold them the land, which infuriated Governor Tyron as they didn't have the right to sell their own lands which were claimed by the crown. This set up an environment where it was "Us vs. Them" with the British. It was to no surprise then that years later the Germans rallied to the revolutionary cause in New York while their English and Scottish neighbors were more Loyalist or lukewarm to the revolution. My German Immigrant 5th Great-Grandfather was a sergeant in the Tyron County Militia and led his men in battle with the Tories and Indians at the Battle for Sharon Springs (formerly known as New Durlach, one of these German towns). He, like the other Germans in his unit, earned their American Citizenship in blood lost and shed for freedom despite the feelings of Franklin, et al.
Thank you for this comment, I really appreciated it.
WOW! Thank you for sharing.
In that context: "Wall Street" Lower Manhattan NY ------ During the 18th century, Wall Street was a slave trading marketplace and a securities trading site, and from the early eighteenth century (1703) the location of Federal Hall, New York's first city hall. Original name: "Het cringle"
My ancestors founded old durlach!
Most of the Germans fought for the British during the American revolution and unlike the Germans, at least the English and the Dutch had colonies in America so they had a bigger right in being American.
This is why my Irish ancestors lived in German and Swiss areas. This is why I am of mostly German and Swiss ancestry. Actually, a lot of my ancestors lived originally in Pennsylvania, before going to the Midwest. A lot of my German ancestors were Fries and Sachsens. Swarthy complexions? Really?
sorry,but I kind of think that old Ben was full of crap when he made that ignornate statement!
Truth is stranger than fiction. Benjamin Franklin was talking about the black Europeans
@@gmssamakyaahlahhopeful144 no, he was talking about Germans.
@@BritishIsleBoy24He also mentioned Black french, Swedes, Russians, Italians, and Spanairds
Irish were not liked because they were majorly Catholic. Germans were not liked because they couldn’t adapt to the culture and they couldn’t speak English.
Is swarthy the same as black?
Swarthy has the same root as the German word schwarz, meaning black. It means dark-skinned. Not necessarily black, but definitely tending in that direction. It used to be a code word that was used when people wanted to hint that someone had black ancestry
I meant to include that but forgot, so glad you added it here
@@nytn SWARTY means dark.
No it doesn't. Walt Whitman described himself as having a 'swarthy face' in Leaves of Grass, and he had numerous photographs taken of him - he was of English lineage. Bellow is a description of Napoleon Bonaparte. Notice that the description of him includes 'reddish-blonde' hair, an aquiline nose and that of him being 'swarthy'.
Dennis Davidov's description (from his Memoirs) of Napoleon at Tilsit in 1807: 'I have already remarked on how much I was struck by the overall resemblance of Napoleon to the prints on sale everywhere. But the same was not true of his facial features. None of the portraits that I had seen bore the least resemblance to him. Believing them, I had supposed that Napoleon sported a rather large hooked nose, dark eyes and dark hair- in a word, the true Italian facial type. In fact, his face was slightly swarthy, with regular features. His nose was not very large, but straight, with a very slight, hardly noticeable bend. The hair on his head was not black, but dark reddish-blond; his eyebrows and eyelashes were much darker than the colour of his hair, and his blue eyes, set off by the almost black lashes, gave him a most pleasing expression. Finally, no matter how many times I had occasion to see him, I never noticed those frowning eyebrows with which the portrait-pamphleteers endowed him'.
Swarthy does not mean that somebody was black. It was to describe caucasions with darker features such as hair/eyes and tanned skin.
@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533Etymology Dictionary:
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swart (adj.)
Old English sweart "black, dark," of night, clouds, also figurative, "wicked, infamous," from Proto-Germanic *swarta- (source also of Old Frisian, Old Saxon, and Middle Dutch swart, Dutch zwart, Old Norse svartr, German schwarz, Gothic swarts "dark-coloured, black"), from PIE root *swordo- "dirty, dark, black" (source of sordid). The true Germanic word, surviving in the Continental languages but displaced in English by black. Of skin colour of persons from late 14c. Related: Swartest.
schvartze (n.)
also schvartzer, "black person" (somewhat derogatory), 1961, Yiddish, from schvarts "black" (see swarthy). Perhaps originally a code word to refer to black servants when they were within earshot, as its German cognate, Schwarze, is said to have been used:
In Baltimore in the 80s of the last century, the German-speaking householders, when they had occasion to speak of Negro servants in their presence, called them die Blaue (blues). In the 70s die Schwartze (blacks) had been used, but it was believed that the Negroes had fathomed it. [H.L. Mencken, "The American Language," Supplement I, 1945]
Dutch,swarthy does not have anyone to do with black in German" Born and spent most of my childhood in Deutchland!"
White is a thing... White race means Aryan/Indo European... The White race is made up of several sub groups which are Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Baltic, Uralic, Italic, and Hellenic peoples
Aryan/Indo European also include Indians and Iranians just saying...
"the white race is made up" and just stop there.
I read a book in college called "How the Irish Became White".
I did a video pulling from that book a little bit! I dont agree with Ignatiev 100% but it was fascinating: ruclips.net/video/TVure-y4RpA/видео.html
Stupid. The Irish were white, are white - are the whitest people in Europe (See: Son of Manu).
Sure, but why are there tons of primary sources from the 19th century “proving” that the Irish were “of a colored race” and showing skull comparisons to apes and Africans? It was all a religious issue masquerading through racial attacks
@@johnpatrick5307The British regularly called themselves decedents of God and the Irish descendants of Apes. Abraham Lincoln, in the Lincoln-Douglass debates repeatedly referred to Irish an a distinctly different race apart from white people. What I’m curious is for present day Irish descendants to call themselves "white" how do they shed the centuries deep history of "white” people oppressing them?
"Swarthy" in English is akin to German SCHWARTZ which means "black."
Strictly speaking yes. But Franklin is using the term in an 18th colloquial way... a broad term to describe uncouth.
@@ryan7864he specifically used the word complexion adter using swarthy. Uncouth refers to deneaner. Complexion refers to skin tone.
@@2Muchpjp People just won't admit that there must have been lots of blacks in Europe at this time
@@2MuchpjpThe term 'complexion' was historically used to denote the hair and eye colour of white people. The Websters Dictionary of 1828 defines the term 'complexion' as 'the colour of the external parts of the body', which is what hair and eyes are, external parts of the body. 'Swarthy' is a figurative term that was also applied to white people. Walt Whitman described himself as having a 'swarthy face', and George Washington Sevey was described as having 'blue eyes, a heavy shock of dark hair, with a rather swarthy complexion'. Neither of these men from the 19th century were black - see their photographs. ThThe term 'complexion' was historically used to denote the hair and eye colour of white people. The Websters Dictionary of 1828 defines the term 'complexion' as 'the colour of the external parts of the body', which is what hair and eyes are, external parts of the body. 'Swarthy' is a figurative term that was also applied to white people. Walt Whitman described himself as having a 'swarthy face', and George Washington Sevey was described as having 'blue eyes, a heavy shock of dark hair, with a rather swarthy complexion'. Neither of these men from the 19th century were black - see their photographs. The author of the video has used a mishmash of irrelevant evidence and is targeting the gullible. The Vikings used hair colour as a descriptor, this can be seen in names such as Halfdan the Black, Eric the Red and Harald Fairhead. Charles II was called 'the black boy' by his own mother as he was the only child with black hair and dark eyes - this is evident in the painting of Charles and his siblings by Anthony van Dyck. Charles II's brother James II (same parents) was never described as black - which completely gives the game away for people with a balanced mind. There were plenty of white people described by colours, German Footballer Ulf Kirsten was knicknamed der schwatte (or the black one), British PM John Major was known as the grey man and boxer Jack Dempsey was known as kid blackie. The Campbells of Glenorchy had a black Duncan in their family tree, and they also had a grey Colin - which is a clear indication they were referring to hair colour and not skin colour. The Vikings used hair colour as a descriptor, this can be seen in names such as Halfdan the Black, Eric the Red and Harald Fairhead. Charles II was called 'the black boy' by his own mother as he was the only child with black hair and dark eyes - this is evident in the painting of Charles and his siblings by Anthony van Dyck. Charles II's brother James II (same parents) was never described as black - which completely gives the game away for people with a balanced mind. There were plenty of white people described by colours, German footballer Ulf Kirsten was nicknamed der schwatte (or the black one), British PM John Major was known as the grey man and boxer Jack Dempsey was known as kid blackie. The Campbells of Glenorchy had a black Duncan in their family tree, and they also had a grey Colin - which is a clear indication they were referring to hair colour and not skin colour.
I don’t think he was describing about complexion. It was more figurative speech.
Interesting. Your source seems good and scholarly.
It does surprise me, seeing how enlightened he was regarding the Indians.
He admired them. At the Albany Indian Congress of 1755, he suggested the
confederation of the colonies with their own Parliament -- using the Iroquois Confederacy
as his model.
Yes you are 100% right. I did a video on that: ruclips.net/video/ybppY3DpmSc/видео.html
Well done, again, I have learned a lot.
The fact that Ben Franklin called Germans and Swedes “swarthy” is so funny to me😂
The modern ones have nothing to do with this and you’re not the descendants of those people either
@@bigcoop3717 it's not like Ben Franklin lived that much long ago that their phenotypes changed radically though
On the one hand, The Founding Fathers were seriously thinking of making German our national language. On the other hand, you might well ask "German? Which one?" since Hochdeutsch and Plattdeutsch are almost separate languages, and much the same can be said for the existence of Italian, Arabic, Japanese (my daughter spoke relatively fluent Tokyo Japanese, but couldn't understand a word at the Osaka table at U of Texas at Austin). As for "swarthy" Germans I give you the quote by Bismarck: "A Bavarian is a combjnation of an Austrian and a human being."
Wow, this was wild, thank you for sharing it.
Nordic supremacy before Nazism…. Wow, who would have thought? 😂🤣😂🤣
Not quite, Bismarck's remark (if it's genuine, there are other unoffending versions) needs to be interpreted in the context of the long standing feud between Prussia (Bismarck), Bavaria and especially Austria. Austria is the only "German" state that has resisted the unification. This has nothing to do with swarthiness.
@@fietereim8190 I'd say that when you go south from Prussia and Bavaria is next, and then you get to Austria, swarthiness is probably party of the deal. I've talked to Italian-Swiss and Austrians on this topic going the other way: "Why is West Germany the luckiest nation? Because they don't have West German tourists!" The Austrian lady I knew had been a waitress in a remote town in Austria, and when the bill was presented in Schillings, the West German woman said "No, how much in REAL money?" (meaning Deutschmarks as if Schillings were cowries or wampum or Yap stone money).
@@robertjohnson5838 Take it as you want, but as a German myself I am not aware of this swarthiness categorization you allude to. We generally "discriminate" by dialect and Bavarian and Austrian aren't the most detested ones. Granted, there is some uppityness towards Austria, but this stems from the difference in size (83 vs. 9M people). And even if German tourists make asses of themselves, it doesn't mean that Schillings were real money. 😂
He mentioned that some groups were "swarthy" and/or "tawny". Is there a chance that some of them could have had a darker hue than the people in those countries today?
Pre-20th century vintage books has been proved that the Germans were Swarthy
@@juniorchavesopicassodeyahu988 thank you. By chance, would you happen to have any book titles or author names?
Oh vintage books are a fantastic resource for so many reasons!
If anything, Germany has become much more "swarthy" with Italian, Turkish, Syrian etc. immigration eversince. Maybe German and Swedish immigrants back then just couldn't afford powder to whiten their faces.
@@alexanderfo3886 Or maybe they just had a slightly darker hue to them, compared to British people. By "darker", I don't mean brown skin like an African, but just a shade or three darker than let's say, a stereotypical pale, red haired Irish person or something like that.
Also, there might not have been a difference in complexion/features at all, maybe it was just used as a way of "othering" a different ethnic group who would be competitors to them (british descendants).
The Swedes are in fact noticeably more 'swarthy' than nearby Norwegians or Danes, and possess physical features which are less Nordic with flatter noses. This probably originates from relative proportion of Western Hunter gatherer-Eastern Hunter Gatherer ratio. Which is higher amongst Swedes (more paleolithic, less bronze age) than other Germanic people.
By Franklin's own words, it sounds like the German people were brown skinned. Swarthy means dark in color.
I think it’s so funny that people accuse you of doing CRT. First off CRT is a college level legal course. So you have to be a graduate student and have majored in law before you can even begin to understand critical race theory. Secondly, having watched a couple episodes on your channel I know that you’re probably about 1/16 black and that’s enough for you to start getting hate apparently. Keep up the good work.
lol yep I’m mostly “white” and just a sprinkle of Hispanic/African. But that’s the one drop rule in action!
I am an Italian and get discriminated frequently in the 21st century here in America because I am a brunette with olive skin color. Well, I tell you what I am extremely proud of my ancestry and the way I look and if the ultra pale people dont like it then toooooooo bad they just have to get used it. The other amazing thing is that we the Italians dont hate the ultra pale/pink people whatsoever!
Peace.
I'm also a brunette (dark brown to be exact) with pale skin and blue eyes, but I'm mainly British and German ancestry lol. Also been told I could also pass for Italian a number of times, which is odd considering I only have 4% of that in my DNA.
@@darrellm9915 4% of Italian DNA? There is no such thing as "Italian DNA". Italian is a culture and a nationality not a DNA. Celtic, Gemanic, Etruscan, Berber, MIddle Eastern markers could be found in Italian populations. Companies that sell DNA tests based on nationalities are scams. I beleive only in USA do some people believe that European nationalities are equivalent to fixed genetic groups. To me, a native Spaniard, it sounds completely false.
@@Momoa786 I know. Some people just look Italian regardless of their complexion, which is why I could tell that Sylvester Stallone was, even from a distance.
Yes, maybe it's a British thing lol... I don't know. But I have the same phenotype as Henry Cavill who looks sort of Italian. To the extent that if I spotted him walking down the street over there, he wouldn't look out of place, in my opinion.
In generale noi italiani siamo di carnagione chiara , però siamo sensibili agli UV .
OMG, there is a video here on RUclips of an African American girl who was so discriminated on her vacation to Italy that she decided to cut it short and return to the United States. She says that they are the most racist people in earth. And besides that they almost look like Arabs.
It’s sad 😞 German 🇩🇪 and Italian 🇮🇹 Japanese 🇯🇵 Americans were mistreated 😔👦🏼👧🏼👦🏻👧🏻
I love what you said about seeing each other as a family! We really are all so much more alike than we are different, but those cultural differences are also a big part of us, our country and our world. Most of my ancestry is English, but I also have Irish and German ancestry. Plus half of my family is from the northern U.S. and half is from the south. Thinking about my ancestors and history often leads to tense feelings because they often fought & hated each other, along with hating & oppressing other cultures. It's an awkward balance between accepting & even embracing where I came from while intensely disliking what many of my ancestors thought & did.
I just want to take the time to thank you for sharing your history and your journey with us. Watching your videos and seeing how you learn and uncover the facets and secrets of your family is enlightening to us all. While you may be probably undergoing your own revelations, we the viewer are experiencing our own. And your critical thought on race, history, lineage, family, society etc and how they intersect has been a very gratifying experience for us all. Thank you for sharing!
Wow, this made my week, Im serious. Sometimes Im like...what am I even doing with these videos? But I keep connecting the dots...
Stop! Hitler used the term "swarthy"? I think not! Swarthy was a term used for "black" very dark skin. Germans, Scot-Irish, Irish (Black Irish) , Italians were Black. The French Haugenot were Black.
Franklin was a runaway meaning a poor English that didn't pay his debt.
There are NO "Black Irish" - the Irish are actually the whitest (very pale) people in Europe - its the British who came up with that term, of course - the British are actually darker than the Irish, being colonised by so many peoples (See: Mass Migration into Britain in the late bronze Age). Theo-called "Anglo-Saxons" were very diverse, including African people (See: Daily Mail Updown).
The Irish are the most Aryan (Indo-European) people in Europe - See Son of Manu.
I can't tell if you are kidding. Many people were described as swarthy that didn't have black skin. Lincoln described himself as having a "dark complexion" and that his father had swarthy skin. He was not black. You need to remember the time period.
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You’re dealing with an Afrocentric. Its an attempt to claim so called ‘original Europeans’ where black/African. They will also claim native Americans where black/African. And all based on just past descriptions like ‘swarthy’. It’s hilarious and delusional.
I didn't know the German were swarthy? Maybe the Austrians and Alsatians, but not the northern Germans, they are from Viking descents.
so swarthy is really just like code for not blonde?
Swarthy = dark-skinned. What most people fail to understand is that so-called black people ruled Europe long before the Renaissance.
How comes that, exept for recent immigrants, no black people live in most parts of Europe now? What happened to these so-called black rulers of Europe? And when did these black people arrive in Europe? The roman writer Tacitus in his book Germania, chapter 4 (written 98 CE) describes the Germanic people as blue-eyed and red haired (Latin: caerulei oculi, rutilae comae). So today (exept recent immigrants) no black people in Europe, at the time of Tacitus no black people in Europe. But somehow they still ruled Europe before the Renaissance. How that?
What most afrocentrists fail to understand is, that the knowldge of history is derived from sources and not a made-up fanatsy you can change the way you want.
Thank you for sharing. It puts into sharp relief the arbitrary nature of prejudice. That the attitudes held by intellectuals towards various races can change radically over several generations. I have no doubt the Romans had very unflattering opinions of the peoples of Britannia in their day.
I didn't know about Franklin's animosity towards the Germans, but I did know that I have ancestry who lived in the Philadelphia area and they were not permitted to send their children to an area school, so they started their own school. students were taught in Pennsylvania Dutch and they welcomed any kids in the area that wanted to come. Most of my family ancestry traces to German communities here before the revolutionary war, but the only branch of my family who retained the ability to speak and read Pennsylvania Dutch, came from a community in the Philadelpia area that made sure their kids were educated regardless of if they were welcome. So, people like Franklin in their attempts to seperate Germans, may have helped to unify and preserve our culture.
His animosity towards the Germans stemmed from the fact that at the time of the Revolutionary War, Germans made up 1/2 the population of Pennsylvania. Franklin felt PA was a British only colony, and he viewed the people from Germany as invaders. However, William Penn, the founder of Pennsylvania did not feel the same way, and in fact welcomed the Germans, who he considered excellent farmers as they added value to the colony.
I would suggest that the situation you describe here would have been the rare exception rather than the rule. Pennsylvania Dutch (or Pennsylvania German if you prefer) children routinely attended public schools in Pennsylvania after public schools were established in the 19th century.
@@markantony3875 I wouldn’t say half I’ll probably say 1/4
@@BritishIsleBoy24 In the Pennsylvania Colony Germans were 1/2 the population at the time of the revolution. Even today, considering how many other ethnic groups have come to PA, 26% of Pennsylvanians have German ancestry.
@@markantony3875 that is not true, they were not even 1/4 of the population, but they were high as compared to other colonies.
Just for you, I looked up the word swarthy in a dictionary from 1857 and the German meaning there is "braungebrannt". That would be sunburnt or deeply tanned, like a sailor or a peasant, people who are exposed to the elements all day or even night and day. Those people would not be very well educated etc., so someone full of his own importance and superiority might call them stupid. That does not mean they belonged to the negroid race. The sun can make other people's skin dark and other people can be stupid. Neither is exclusive to people from sub-Saharan Africa.
TRIBALISM! Lot's of people tend to reject the concept of "globalism." The more fragmented one's thinking pattern, the more likely one is not to be able to identify with 'the OTHERS." In the past I have discussed embedded "enthnocentricity" with Asians (Chinese, SE Indians, & Japanese.) Not all members of those cultures are ethnocentric but I suspect that many are.
When I was in the Army I was surprised to see American GI's who were White, Asian & Black reject the cultures of Vietnam & Germany (two places I was stationed). They made fun of all kinds of cultural idiosyncrasies and also had racial slurs for the locals. In Vietnam there were terms like Slopes, Gooks, Zips. In Germany it was terms like Krauts, Dubes, etc. And it was not just the White soldiers using these racial slurs. Many of the GIs all seem to have a common tribal identity: coming from the "REAL WORLD" (being an American.)
The simple truth of my personal experience is that some cannot relate to any kind of diversity and prefer an exclusionary environment. This is not just a White Man problem. The more fearful one is of the unknown, the more likely one is likely to seek the safety and security of the known and that which is already understood.
If I understand what you are stating; people like their own kind; Don’t you think that this idea runs counter to the history of the world? There is a vast record of groups meeting and mixing and creating new societies. No doubt some of the mixing was preceded by war, but humans have been walk straight up on 2 legs for about 300,000 years. And humans have walked all over the globe!
People of European descent in America better start getting over the fact that Europe had a great portion of Europeans of African descent. Especially during the Moors conquest of Europe and the MOORISH descendance afterwards, who ruled Germany, Spain, Portugal and France. Also, became descendance of royalty throughout the Mediterranean.
This just no true but Okay , no need to change history my friend
That's ridculous. There was never a Moorish conquest of europe, the Moors conquered only the iberian peninsula, and even this region was never completely under their control, Asturias was not and was the starting point of the reconquista.
The Turks conquered parts of south eastern europe centuries later, but I hope you don't want to make the Turks of african descent.
Sorry that the real history doesn't fit into your fantasy how the past should have been.
@@klausroxin4437 You have no idea what you're posting. You're letting your arrogance dictate your ethnicity on the matter of history. The Moors moved into all areas in Europe, including the Eastern Baltic/Balkans areas. The term Bal refers to BLACK. Moor isn't the only word that represents dark skinned people. There're many words that do as there are many words that refer to Caucasoid/white.
@@paparage2.027 Wich source (not fantasy stories by afrocentric "historians", but primary (!) sources) exist for your claim that Moors moved into all areas of Europe?
And if so, why did all these black people dissappear magically? I just ask, because today 99.99999% of all black people in Europe are recent immigrants that can't traced back for more than some decades.
Frankin was an "Escapee" from indentured servitude. Thus, all the "Freedom and Equality " Rhetoric in the "Declaration of Independence." and the Constitution.
I think he might have been talking about Southern Germans-Austrians near the Bavarrian/Bohemian border who are celtic. Celts were known to be dark haired and not blonde hair....These celts are the same ones who went to Northwest Spain..Many look like the man in my avatar who is not German (but who has been mistaken for German by Germans) or like Abraham Lincoln.
Bavarians and Austrian are majority Germanic DNA, they are the direct descendants of the Bavarii and Tyroli Germanic tribes.. The Celts originally inhabited south Germany were pushed out, there was very little mixing with them
@@mwol5473 Northwest Spaniards are mixed with celts of south Austrians and that's a fact. Look up the Astures of Asturias
. And South Gemans do have a Celtic look with their fine and pointy features that resemble north Spaniards.
@@mwol5473 And it makes sense why my father look like a more blondish version of the Austrian singer FALCO
He was taking about palatines
Frankly we’re seeing the same sort of shift within the black community. As much as I’d like to ignore it, there’s racial supremacy theories emerging, like melanin theory and just general talk of superiority. It’s fascinating how things shift.
Not even close melanated people are the most ancient and original Humans of Earth any recessives are just sub species aka mutants
100%! it is sad to see. A black Principal in Atlanta was sued for separating the classes by skin color. This is definitely not heading in a good direction.
And the KKK still exists...
@@timeforchange3786 not if people let everything slide. Hurt people hurt people. I think it’s important to have empathy for what’s led to this, while remembering the 2nd part.
We are not seeing a shift in the institutions of America.
Do people who identify as white give up their status of whiteness? No. Whiteness is still the standard. This talk doesn't rearrange a racial hierarchy. It doesn't create different outcomes for people in out-groups.
What's amazing is , these so called judges and analysts generally from England that migrated to what we know as America , these humans should never forget about where they originally came from.
Shut up German
In today's world, we call hate & discrimination "racism".
For me, "racism" is only one way to hate.
We can hate based on religion. That is one of the oldest forms of organized hate.
In Europe, hating has been commonly done based on ethnicity.
It still exists. Brits still call Frenchmen "Frogs", for instance.
Where I grew up in Chicago - there were no "white" people.
There were Polish, Irish, Italian, Bohemian, Swedes, and Greeks.
And, they did not always get along.
Each were called names based on their ethnicity.
I see Franklins prejudices as a part of that.
We don't generally talk about or condemn ethno-centrism,
so even today, it is seen as quite acceptable.
Oddly, a person can be quite prejudiced in one way, and then be very enlightened in another -- at the same time. The dynamics of Hate, discrimination, and subjugation can be both horrific and interesting.
I had no idea about Ben Franklin. Another very interesting video.
Something to think about as I look at the German side of my tree who came to the United States as indentured servants in the mid 1700’s.
They came to English colonies
Franklin describing Germans as swarthy is hilarious. While I take your point about “whiteness” not really existing, going by skin and hair etc., if anything I would say English people tend to be a little darker than Germans on average. And the Swedes? Come on bro. Scandinavians are the whitest there is! Russians are probably more blonde haired and blue eyed than the English on average too. From the painting, Franklin was brown eyed. And Franklin sounds like a German name to me too.
Point taken. However, what qualified as "White" or acceptable, really had little to do with complexion and more to do with religion, culture and language.
@@ryan7864 Yes, I agree that those factors were very important. That is, for instance, how the Irish were excluded from whiteness. But, they still tried to tie skin colour to it. Which you can clearly observe from Franklin’s use of the word “swarthy” to describe Germans, Swedes and Russians. The word swarthy literally means “dark skin colour”. It is related to the German word for black - Schwartz (English being a Germanic language). So Franklin is making a claim that those peoples have observably darker skin than English people. They don’t, and I say this as an English person (though I am 1/4 Jewish, so maybe that makes me darker, but this is also true for English people in general that I see every day). He must have been selectively sampling the people he saw in a way so as to reinforce his preconceived notions.
@@willmosse3684 which indicates how pedantic he was about complexion. Because the difference between European complexions is like splitting hairs.
@@willmosse3684Ah, but they didn’t “try to tie skin colour to it”. The use of skin colour in relation to the Irish in America is a modern invention. It was invented in the 1990s by American Marxist Noel Ignatiev, who wrote a rather ill-informed book called “how the Irish became white”, which conflated skin colour with class.
@@davidpryle3935 People keep saying that, as if Franklin’s actual words don’t exist. He refers to the Germans and others as SWARTHY. This words means dark skinned. So he absolutely is talking about skin colour.
The original Aryans were Indo-Europeans of the ancient east and were most probably African-Asian people.
I suppose that Arianism and the Oriental Aryan people are perhaps two distinct historical elements to consider...
The reading of "Christianity of positive Protestant reform" sheds much light on the thought process even of those today of this particular religion. The deep roots of the origin of all this is a further clue as to how and why.
Should prob add it’s probably considered “pre/proto” indo-euro pre civilizations to those land regions.
In German, Schwarz means Black. Schwarzenegger, as a homograph looks like Schwarzen!gger / Schwarzeniger. If Schwarzenegger arguably means Black farmer, then here are questions to ponder: In the era of Ben Franklin (the 1700s), would a Schwarzenegger, and/or other Germans unmistakably appear [as a a shade of] Black, as a so called Negro? Or, would the Germans (200 years later) look more like Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger? How would you know? You trust that all historians, and artists are honest?
In Franklin's era, the so called, white [wight/wite] colonists were the minority in a melanin dominated majority of Indians. Consider: India, Indian, Indiana, Indigenous/Indus = Black. Today, when people think about the so called, U.S., most view the U.S., as a white nation. Is it possible that 250 years ago, Germany was a Black Nation, much like the Americas were filled with Indigenous/Black nations? How do you know?
Queen Sophia Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was Queen of Great Britain and Ireland, as the wife of King George III. And she was a Black Queen from Germany.
The Queen City, Charlotte in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina is named after said Black Queen. Additionally, North & South Carolina is named after King Charles II; known as Black Boy; a Black Prince, who became a Black King. How many in the U.S.; especially the Carolinas are aware of said history?
Many ASSume that Europe was ALWAYS ruled by so called, whites: Is it possible that Germany, Sweden, other parts of Europe were under Black rule, and/or have a more pronounced Black population in Franklin's time, than we see now, 250 years later?
Is it possible that Black people were dispossessed of Germany, and Sweden, as the [Black] Indians have been here in the U.S.? How do you know?
Where can I read about Charlotte? On the portraits I have seen, that doesn’t show.
@@winterlinde5395 , if I told you to read Nature Knows No Color Lines, by J.A. Rogers and he provided visual references, and historical documentation, then would you believe what you saw? Believe what you read? Or would you deny what may be plain evidence, because you do not see it? You are unable to / do not want to see it?
If you REALLY wanted to know, then could you have gone to a library, and researched your question for yourself?
If someone provided portraits of Meghan Markle w/her hair straightened, and w/her skin pale, and no one also showed you a picture of her mother, who is undeniably Black, then would you say about the portraits that you have seen of Meghan Markle her Black ancestry doesn't show? Would it negate that by British, and American standards that Meghan is Black?
@@TeamDeen I really just wanted to know. Libraries are shut at the moment, here at 00:42 o’clock. And I doubt if they have anything about her in my small town library. German Wikipedia didn’t tell me anything and you seemed knowledgeable, so I chose the easiest option for me and just ask you. I didn’t want to bother you.
Thank you for the book recommendation. Why would I not believe?
Ok so who are these swarthy Germans he talks about? In a letter, he said that the Germans of his time were of a darker complexion and called Germany one of the “sons of Africa.” The other sons of Africa were France, Sweden, Spain, and Italy. So to Ben, white was also a skin complexion. The name of the essay is “Observations Concerning The Increasing Of Mankind, Peopling Of Countries.”
Some people thought the Romas came from Egypt and is where the term Gypsies came from. I believe people think they were originally from India.
Sweden?
@@johnnyearp52 yeah man, it tripped me out too. The name of the essay is “Observations Concerning The Increasing Of Mankind, Peopling Of Countries.” It’s an easy find on google.
During Roman occupation along the Rhine, etc., Nubians (perhaps others as well?) were part of the legion. Beethoven’s swarthy complexion has been explained that way.
@@beth3535 Ehhh... I wouldn't put too much stock in that theory. As an amateur Roman enthusiast, I can say.... the vast number of Roman Army recruits came from where a legion was stationed. Legions along the Rhine were mostly of Gaulish and Germanic heritage. Along the Danube it was Thracians, Greeks, Dacian and many others. Along the Parthian frontier it was mostly Syrian and Semitic. Sub-Saharan recruits were a rarity and would mostly be confined to Roman Africa posts.
How ? is it that Swarthy originally meant and was replaced by the term “Black” but is never analyzed when non black people use it.
I've been watching your channel for a couple of years now. The history, the genealogy... but I only just subscribed. I love the new broad direction of your channel covering history in general. What a great opportunity 👏 Considering your own personal history.
It is hard to understand my family story without this massive historical context, and there is SO much
If you want to see how poorly Italian, Irish and German immigrants were treated the research the Ludlow Massacre in Colorado. My Grandfather was born in the mining camp and he and his father barely escaped the National Guard
Id love for you to see the other videos I did on the Irish, Italians and Polish...and Armenians....list goes on
@@nytn they are in my recommended list
When Benjamin Franklin spoke of us Germans being non white wasn't about color of our skin,you can't get any whiter than us. He was speaking of non assimilation and integration with the particular society in which he lived. We were beasts and they were refined. That is what he meant,not skin color. But behavior.
I’m really enjoying your posts on many levels. You should know in the Nuremberg War Tribunal prosecuting German SS officers, they were asked "…where did you get the notion that some races were superior and some inferior” the Germans answered” the United States”. White nationalism is not only firmly rooted in the United States but the US served as an inspiration to Nazi ideology. If one is trying to determine who is "white" the first thing you need to refer to is a calendar.
The book “Hitler’s American Model” by James Whitman is a good scholarly reference to how much Nazi ideologues leaned on their ideological “cousins” in the US.
This is an incredibly helpful comment, thank you. I’ve never come across that quote. I will read up.
SPEAK TRUTHFULY; NOT IN CODES, AS COLORESS EDOMITES! LIKES, TO DO! FOR DURING THE HOLACOST! HITLER'S MAIN MISSION, TARGETED PEOPLE, HAVING SWARTHY COMPLEXION, THE SO CALLED "BLACKS;" ISRAELITES JEW! NOTWITHSTANDING, THE EDOMITES PROPAGANDA, FUELED BY HITLER'S REGIME & DARWINISM THEORISTS; WANTED THE WORLD, TO BELIEVE, "SO CALLED, "ISH" WYTES, WERE EXTERMINATED, BY HITLER; WHO'S ALSO, AN ISH! FOR UNRIGHTEOUS CAUSES; BUT TRUTH IS, HITLER WASN'T RIGHTEOUS, AS YHWH'S TRUTH, REVEAL! IN THE BIBLE SAYING! "I KNOW THY WORKS, & TRIBULATION, & POVERTY, (but thou art rich) & I KNOW THE BLASPHEMY OF THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, & ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN; REV.2:9!" THOSE "ISH" HYPOCRITES & [HITLER REGIME], LIED; PUSHED, & WORSHIPPED A FALSE DIETY; JESUS! & DELIBERATELY SPREAD, FALSE NARRATIVES, DURING THOSE ERA! THE SWARTHY "BLACKS;" GERMANS JEW; ARE THE ONES PERSECUTED & GENOCIDED; THROWN IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS, IMPRISONED, GAS CHAMBERED, CASTRATED, BURNED, & BURRIED; ALL FOR THE SAKE OF EUGENICS; & TO DEPOPULATE, THE REAL JEWS; THE SWARTHY "BLACKS!" FOR REASONS BEING; WHITE INFERTILTY & INSECURITIES!
RACE MIXING, & PUBLIC SUPPORT, OF HITLER'S PROMOTION OF WHITE SUPREMACY! ALSO BACKED BY, AMALEKS AGENDAS! THUS THE PICTURES OF ASHKENAZIS; SEEN IN PRISON CAMPS! WERE STAGED PROPAGANDAS! DURING WORLD WAR I & II; ERA! & WAS A PLOY, TO DEPOPULATE; RIDDING & HIDING THE SWARTHY, BLACK POPULATION! FOR THERE NUMBERS, WERE MANY! EVEN SUPPORTERS; LIKE MARGARET SANGER, A ISH, SAID; ELIMINATE THE 'HUMAN WEEDS!' BECAUSE OF HATRED & JEALOUSY, FUEL BY ELITE EUROS; WHO'S PERPETUAL HATRED OF YHWH'S PEOPLE & ISRAELITES INHERITANCE, FOR BEING, THE REAL JEW'S! MORE RESEARCH, SISTA, & MAKE SURE, TO REVEAL TRUTH, RIGHTEOUSLY! ESPECIALLY LIVING, DURING SIMILAR PERIOD! LET'S NOT HIDE, GOD'S WORD & TRUTHFUL EVENTS, UNFOLDED! SIGNS ARE EVIDENCE; WE KNOW, "& THOU SHALT BECOME AN ASTONISHMENT, A PROVERB, & A BY WORD, AMONG ALL NATIONS WHITHER the LORD SHALL LEAD THEE; Deu.28:37!" THE DARKIES; "JEWS" WERE CALLED "SWARTHY!" SHALOM! ALL PRAISES & GLORY YHWH BAHASHAM YAHAWAHSHI!!!🔥🔥🔥🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Yes, the documentation is there showing that Hitler was an admirer of the KKK, Margret Sanger, and Woodrow Wilson.
Thanks for covering this history of Germany. I know you won't look into the real history of Germany but this will give pple a hint that Germany used to be a Blakk country just like most of Europe and the UK.
you talk some amount of shite so where do white people come from because according to people like you black people are native to everywhere
So you believe the Afrocentric nonsense
@@coreylevine8095it’s not Afrocentric since the indigenous Blacks are the first Europeans later called Moors
so how did Germany get rid of their majority black population btwn Ben Franklin & Hitler? answer that, Einstein.
The first Europeans were probably not white. The climate made them paler.
Immigrants? Us Moors were there living peaceful long before & until the 1400s when we brought Ben Franklin Ancestors out the Dark Ages, this is Madness. Let's learn History please
Thank you for your excellent work. As an Aboriginal American Indian, it is difficult when teaching people about the true American (1828 Webster's Dictionary definition) history of Amerika. We often get dumbfounded looks and sometimes negative feedback because we are telling and SHOWING people via documents and statements like the ones you have presented that Amerika (pre-colonization) and many other parts of the world were primarily populated with what is known today as People Of Color. There were very few regions of the world with large populations of Caucasians. I think the hardest thing for me to deal with is constantly explaining that there is a difference between Native American and American indian and that all dark skinned people are not from Africa. I will admit that it does get kind of annoying when people ask where I'm from and I say that I am from here, that I am an American indian, and they comeback with "aren't you an African American?" So I completely agree with not putting everyone in a box and allowing people to tell you their culture instead of those trying to determine what others culture is.
My friend where did you learn true history , every human being mankind on the planet ancestry came from Africa ... Noah had three sons SHEM , HAM , japheth the alone populated the 🌎 after the flood
@@davidgilbert3380 I have lot more sources i can share with you if you would like just know that some are only available via purchase. Let me know and I will be happy to share that as much as I can with you. Have a better than great day david gilbert.
SPEAK TRUTHFULY; NOT IN CODES, AS COLORESS EDOMITES! LIKES, TO DO! FOR DURING THE HOLACOST! HITLER'S MAIN MISSION, TARGETED PEOPLE, HAVING SWARTHY COMPLEXION, THE SO CALLED "BLACKS;" ISRAELITES JEW! NOTWITHSTANDING, THE EDOMITES PROPAGANDA, FUELED BY HITLER'S REGIME & DARWINISM THEORISTS; WANTED THE WORLD, TO BELIEVE, "SO CALLED, "ISH" WYTES, WERE EXTERMINATED, BY HITLER; WHO'S ALSO, AN ISH! FOR UNRIGHTEOUS CAUSES; BUT TRUTH IS, HITLER WASN'T RIGHTEOUS, AS YHWH'S TRUTH, REVEAL! IN THE BIBLE SAYING! "I KNOW THY WORKS, & TRIBULATION, & POVERTY, (but thou art rich) & I KNOW THE BLASPHEMY OF THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, & ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN; REV.2:9!" THOSE "ISH" HYPOCRITES & [HITLER REGIME], LIED; PUSHED, & WORSHIPPED A FALSE DIETY; JESUS! & DELIBERATELY SPREAD, FALSE NARRATIVES, DURING THOSE ERA! THE SWARTHY "BLACKS;" GERMANS JEW; ARE THE ONES PERSECUTED & GENOCIDED; THROWN IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS, IMPRISONED, GAS CHAMBERED, CASTRATED, BURNED, & BURRIED; ALL FOR THE SAKE OF EUGENICS; & TO DEPOPULATE, THE REAL JEWS; THE SWARTHY "BLACKS!" FOR REASONS BEING; WHITE INFERTILTY & INSECURITIES!
RACE MIXING, & PUBLIC SUPPORT, OF HITLER'S PROMOTION OF WHITE SUPREMACY! ALSO BACKED BY, AMALEKS AGENDAS! THUS THE PICTURES OF ASHKENAZIS; SEEN IN PRISON CAMPS! WERE STAGED PROPAGANDAS! DURING WORLD WAR I & II; ERA! & WAS A PLOY, TO DEPOPULATE; RIDDING & HIDING THE SWARTHY, BLACK POPULATION! FOR THERE NUMBERS, WERE MANY! EVEN SUPPORTERS; LIKE MARGARET SANGER, A ISH, SAID; ELIMINATE THE 'HUMAN WEEDS!' BECAUSE OF HATRED & JEALOUSY, FUEL BY ELITE EUROS; WHO'S PERPETUAL HATRED OF YHWH'S PEOPLE & ISRAELITES INHERITANCE, FOR BEING, THE REAL JEW'S! MORE RESEARCH, SISTA, & MAKE SURE, TO REVEAL TRUTH, RIGHTEOUSLY! ESPECIALLY LIVING, DURING SIMILAR PERIOD! LET'S NOT HIDE, GOD'S WORD & TRUTHFUL EVENTS, UNFOLDED! SIGNS ARE EVIDENCE; WE KNOW, "& THOU SHALT BECOME AN ASTONISHMENT, A PROVERB, & A BY WORD, AMONG ALL NATIONS WHITHER the LORD SHALL LEAD THEE; Deu.28:37!" THE DARKIES; "JEWS" WERE CALLED "SWARTHY!" SHALOM! ALL PRAISES & GLORY YHWH BAHASHAM YAHAWAHSHI!!!🔥🔥🔥🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Well said....
@@stevenNchaddyif anyone is concerned about indigenous Indian of thus land look up Jesse Jackson 1989 the reason we're called African American...nothing but a troll carry on
I'm glad you're learning history
Hi, Romero! First, i'd like to underline the fact that what Franklyn called "germans" actually was we call "jewish". This explains that swarthiness and other features.
BTW, The surname "Romero" in Spain is utterly Linked with gipsies. Tierra are other surnames as "Amaya", "Heredia", which everyone here know their background. Thanks for the video! Greetings
Thank you! My husband's last name (Mexican origins, so yes, Spanish!)
Ironically King George III was a Hanoverian German.
Yeah, but the German, that Dr. Benjamin Franklin was talking about where the palatine Germans