The problem is MSP and MA lawmakers will point to Proctor and say 'See, we got the bad apple...'. Then do nothing else about the entire system that is corrupt. Its NOT just him. Mawn is corrupt. ALL LE in MA are corrupt.
Restoring community trust? Then investigate Proctor's supervisors, Tully and Bukenik, who allowed and even encouraged Proctor's corrupt behavior. Otherwise Proctor is just a fall guy.
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!!
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!!
@@Whitsid_357-x3 Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!🤦
So, if it’s not tolerated then WHY DID YOU WAIT UNTIL THERE WAS A VERDICT. Now if they would’ve came back GUILTY. Would you have even done anything. He should’ve been fired as soon as it came out.
So, who would you suggest? The FBI, the doj? Both of these departments are not trust worthy on anything. Both directors of the FBI and doj are liars if you haven’t seen them in the congressional hearings, I would hope you know this.
He is full of it because proctor was txting his supervisors and they was all engaged and all should be held accountable for their unprofessional and incompetent behavior as public employees. Stop covering up for bad cops!.
A lot of people are getting the idea that the "transfer" language means they are just sending Proctor to another post and that's it. That's not it. There is a process involved in terminating a Mass State Police and it is NOT immediate. MSP are union. The union and MSP have an agreement that if an MSP is relieved of duty at one post, they will be transferred to another post to work temporarily. They work at that other post/district until a duty status hearing takes place. At that status hearing, they will decide the disciplinary action they will take. They can A- Keep him on with pay B-Put him on restricted duty C-Suspend him with pay D- Suspend him without pay. I do not know if they have set a date for the hearing. In most cases, the union will hire an attorney to defend him.
@Johnnyjonas274 Canton's current town by-law can't initiate a petition to re-call his election as it is passed a certain day. I believe it is within 35 days of an election. Why no one in Canton initiated this during that time period is a good question. For a special removal of CA as selectman, I think it would be up to a Select Board vote to remove him from his seat. I don't know if that Select Board would do that. If protesters continue to disrupt public speak of Select Board meetings, they may eventually decide that this disruption is not in the best interest of conducting town business.
@@jh9992 hopefully they keep up the pressure like during the last meeting. He should do the right thing and step down, but probably too selfish to do that. The ones who kept voting this guy in when he killed someone and took off is beyond me.
The state police are only doing this because this became widely public. It’s obvious that Procter was encouraged by coworkers and bosses. He’s just the sacrifice.
His supervisors, Tully and Bukake, knew about his bad behavior b/c they were in a group chat with him. He was the lead investigator on another current case. Continuously monitoring the trial means that if Karen had been found guilty, it would have been business as usual.
Word of the day: Hyperfocused. He just presented a word salad. Said a lot of nothing. Proctor should be fired, not rehomed. Others should be FIRED too.. Buka.. Paul... All of these "Officers" have made your state police look like complete bafoons. It's a Clown show in Mass.
Tr Paul was just a puppet. They used him and embarrassed him. You can bet he will be getting better training after this, and wont blindly follow orders again. I dont think hes a bad cop, just untrained and not bright.
He did some “corporate talk” but I felt he was sincere. He has to follow the process laid out in the union contract both for Proctor and anyone else involved in the case.
A lot of people are getting the idea that the "transfer" language means they are just sending Proctor to another post and that's it. That's not it. There is a process involved in terminating a Mass State Police and it is NOT immediate. MSP are union. The union and MSP have an agreement that if an MSP is relieved of duty at one post, they will be transferred to another post to work temporarily. They work at that other post/district until a duty status hearing takes place. At that status hearing, they will decide the disciplinary action they will take. They can A- Keep him on with pay B-Put him on restricted duty C-Suspend him with pay D- Suspend him without pay. I do not know if they have set a date for the hearing. In most cases, the union will hire an attorney to defend him.
Every case that this trooper touched is tainted, and the MSP has suffered irreparable damage due to his bad decisions and the poor decisions of his supervisors. Shame!
The DA's office is just as culpable. More, in fact. The State better be coming down on that office, not waiting on the feds. The feds can take the second shot. But the DA's office as a whole is corrupt and complicit. These are longstanding patterns of widespread, commonplace corrupt investigations and prosecutions, as well as both of those as it pertains to protecting coming LEO'S. Disgusting.
Locking Karen up is on the way. She IS the hateful killer. No other way to explain her insane abnormality that night. She counted John exposure in cold without coat as a punish that is why she asked Jennifer to Google. She risked john's Life for her rage. This damn dangerous woman deserves the highest conviction under the law.
I agree he needs to be fired, but they can't fire him immediately. There's a process. This explains it well: A lot of people are getting the idea that the "transfer" language means they are just sending Proctor to another post and that's it. That's not it. There is a process involved in terminating a Mass State Police and it is NOT immediate. MSP are union. The union and MSP have an agreement that if an MSP is relieved of duty at one post, they will be transferred to another post to work temporarily. They work at that other post/district until a duty status hearing takes place. At that status hearing, they will decide the disciplinary action they will take. They can A- Keep him on with pay B-Put him on restricted duty C-Suspend him with pay D- Suspend him without pay. I do not know if they have set a date for the hearing. In most cases, the union will hire an attorney to defend him.
For those of you not following the trial, he used the terms he did in a group chat with his boss and fellow officers while they asked him if he found undressed photos of Karen Read on her phone that was in evidence. It’s clear the whole department is garbage and promotes that kind of behavior.
‘We monitored the trial’ but let the sham continue until we were fully exposed to the light of public scrutiny….and it was then, and only then we began to respond to our crimes publicly.
The only reason this happened, this case was nationally reported on - if it were a public defender and she were poor - all the manufactured evidence - the texts and unprofessional behaviors and attitudes in the culture of the Dept. wouldn't have been exposed nationally. The Trooper and DA would have gotten a Atta Boy and onto the next case.
What you need is an outside agency to have full access to the State Police to monitor and audit the Mass State Police. I respect the police - I really do - but the bad apples have to be weeded out because it puts a stain on every trooper and that's not right!
This is Massachusetts… MSP Colonel, DA Morrisey, Canton selectman John Connelly have zero self control. Does the Colonel look like he could run across the street? They all eat and drink away the taxpayers $. Sad.
Why did it take over a year to conplete an IA investigation? Knowing all you knew about this corrupt cop, you still sat by and let the trial play out with the possibility of an innocent woman going to jail.
I speak police let me translate --- We knew for years how bad Procter was but now that it's been brought to national attention we have decided to finally do something about it to save face with the public. there's nothing to see here the rest of the force is 100% honest.
ALL these bad actors in this case, Common Wealth, ATF, PD had better be heavily investigated by the FBI and DOJ. Specifically, the chief and Brian Higgins.
@@Barb417 I haven't seen a shred of actual evidence that tied her directly to his death. Pieces of tail light that miraculously broke several times in evidence, the lack of a proper crime scene, the expert witnesses who stated it wasn't possible for O'Keefe to have died from a car accident, nor to have died from getting hit by a very precise part of her car in those conditions all prove it wasn't death by Karen Read. More happened here but the State Police and DA's Office aren't willing to uncover the truth because it will bloody their department and office more than they already are at this time. The real victims here besides John O'Keefe are his niece and nephew who have lost yet another parent.
Proctor felt safe to send those gross texts to his bosses. What did THEY do about it? Did they even tell him it was wrong? If not, they should be scrutinized too.
They’ve all been doing it for years. Look at the Sandra Birchmore case not one of those Predators is in jail They were cops investigated by Proctor and Kevin Albert.
Why now? Clean the house, he didn’t acted alone. This feels like if they would have been able to “pin it on the girl”, nothing would have happened. They waited to say something after the mistrial. Respect the trial process sounds like a joke, so allow a person to go through that anguish, spend so much in defense, tax dollars used in that circus, when they could have been open and say the investigation didn’t fulfill protocol since the beginning.
Watched trial from Montana. Way too much reasonable doubt to convict KR. And Lally said he is going to retry her! WTH. Math and physics don't lie, but the witnesses for the Commonwealth sure did.
Gotta love it. We will not tolerate any misconduct which is why we will not fire Michael proctor and instead assign him to a brand new department where no one knows of his previous misconduct.
All incidents like this require labor law considerations that ensure due process steps for employees. Any violation of labor laws could make it harder if not impossible to get rid of him.
Crude texts aside, what is MSP doing to improve their accident reconstruction training, policies and procedures? Trooper Paul has to be the worst expert witness ever. I think the defense did not object to his testimony because he was so woefully inept, uneducated and unprofessional.
He also has to be accountable. He impersonated knowledge he clearly doesn’t have, with the purpose of convicting a woman. That is also planting evidence.
Where was the support for John O'Keefe from Boston PD? They know KR did not back into John. How does a first responder not respond to all the excitement on his front yard on the morning of January 29, 2022? KR was framed. JMO
Mawn needs to be fired along with Proctor. The entire State Police system needs to be torn down and rebuilt with someone from the outside taking over to make sure it's not the same old song and dance. Enough with the scandals, enough of these meaningless speeches from Mawn declaring things are going to change. Healey Needs to actually stay put in the state she claims to govern and do her job. She's jetting around the globe on her self promotion tours while the state police once again looks like a clown show.
Bring a leader that has a proven track record of cleaning up! This goes beyond MPD to BPD and Canton PD as well as DA's office. The entire system is rotten.
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash! Smh 🤦♂!!!
@@kevc6115 dont forget that the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down a few years ago for pervasive top down overtime fraud. News reporters had Troop E people in pajamas taking out trash at time they claimed and were paid overtime 🤦
@@NYC2023-du8mgSomeone was in the jury who had connections of some sort with the police! how else could they ignore the plow driver, dog marks and experts the FBI use?!
What, you're not buying what The Commonwealth, through Adam "Mumbles" Lally and Trooper "Crime Scene Whisperer" Paul, tried to sell the jury, that Karen Read backed her SUV up into John O'Keefe at 24 mph, striking him in the arm and catapulting him 10+ feet onto Brian Albert's lawn and that the cuts on John's arm were from a broken tail light and not, as they clearly seem to be, from dog bites and scratches? Shocking.
With how freely Proctor was speaking in text, it's a guarantee that he's not the only corrupt one. They have just been getting away with it for a very long time
They are absolutely reflective of the Mass state police. There was more than one cop in the chats and it was all accepted. That is a culture of this behavior
In other words he really means. We were hoping this trial would not be a National event. Therefore we did nothing. Now we are forced to cover our tails and investigate ourselves.
"This is totally normal for us. I condemn these commets only because you found out. We are doing our best to get this trooper retired with full benefits as soon as possible"
Smoke and mirrors. They knew about this and did nothing until after the trial. They didn't fire home. They rehomed him and he still gets his full salary and pension.
Typical political non-statement (BS). There are way deeper problems than Proctor in the MPD. None of his superiors in those text threads made any attempt to correct his conduct or behaviour in those messages. That's culture. Root and branch clean out.
Why did you wait till now? As soon as you seen those text messages you should have fired or relieved him from his duties. Don’t say to much about your department on waiting
If you are worthy of trust then you must admit that the video of Mathew Farwell entering that apartment are suspect as hell. I am no TB rider, but c'mon those 3 cops from Stoughton are on another level of evil.
Next trial will be interesting because instead of Lead Investigator Proctor they will have Mr Proctor former Lead Investigator fired for extremely unprofessional behavior
But over and over these comments and behaviors DO speak to the rest of the department. The 8 people on his group chat was not the only place Proctor-spread his bias and hate. Proctor was to confident and to casual with his bigotry.
As someone not from Massachusetts but whom has had a lifelong dream of moving there- after watching this.... I will never step foot inside the boundaries of this state. Yikes! The thought that state police are this corrupt and willing to flat out lie in open court under oath- yeah- I like my freedom and liberties too much. I'll stay where I am at and am safe. ❤
They better be investigating all those involved in the Karen Read case. Proctor isn't the only corrupt cop in this.
The problem is MSP and MA lawmakers will point to Proctor and say 'See, we got the bad apple...'. Then do nothing else about the entire system that is corrupt. Its NOT just him. Mawn is corrupt. ALL LE in MA are corrupt.
I agree 100% with you
This was not his first time doing this, just the first time it was publicized.
I agree as well. However, he is about to be the scapegoat
They need to investigate Higgins, he's the one who killed john.
Restoring community trust? Then investigate Proctor's supervisors, Tully and Bukenik, who allowed and even encouraged Proctor's corrupt behavior. Otherwise Proctor is just a fall guy.
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!!
folks will get inpatient and it’s understandable but it takes certain steps to go through before they did what they done regarding to Proctor.
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!!
Bingo.
@@Whitsid_357-x3 Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!🤦
A blind man can see she’s innocent, a blind man can see that, and a deaf person can hear the public…….loudly!
Arrest him for staging a crime scene ,along with his colleagues!ASAP !😠
So, if it’s not tolerated then WHY DID YOU WAIT UNTIL THERE WAS A VERDICT. Now if they would’ve came back GUILTY. Would you have even done anything. He should’ve been fired as soon as it came out.
Of course not
RIGHT!!!!
I think Proctor would have been praised and promoted if verdict was guilty! Corruption is abundant!
Exactly!
Bingo.
Internal affairs = Police investigating themselves. Worthless.
Fox guarding the hen house?
Police integrity means “keep it off camera.”
Bingo!!
100% correct.
So, who would you suggest? The FBI, the doj? Both of these departments are not trust worthy on anything. Both directors of the FBI and doj are liars if you haven’t seen them in the congressional hearings, I would hope you know this.
He is full of it because proctor was txting his supervisors and they was all engaged and all should be held accountable for their unprofessional and incompetent behavior as public employees. Stop covering up for bad cops!.
A lot of people are getting the idea that the "transfer" language means they are just sending Proctor to another post and that's it. That's not it. There is a process involved in terminating a Mass State Police and it is NOT immediate. MSP are union. The union and MSP have an agreement that if an MSP is relieved of duty at one post, they will be transferred to another post to work temporarily. They work at that other post/district until a duty status hearing takes place. At that status hearing, they will decide the disciplinary action they will take. They can A- Keep him on with pay B-Put him on restricted duty C-Suspend him with pay D- Suspend him without pay. I do not know if they have set a date for the hearing. In most cases, the union will hire an attorney to defend him.
@@stephaniels5421shades of the catholic church
They all have to go. Police investigating the police is failed policy
They need to get rid of Chris Albert's from the Select Committee!
The citizens of Canton have to demand that, not the state police
Absolutely! I watch the Board meeting from a few days ago. The ppl of Canton made it clear that they want Alberts out
@Johnnyjonas274 Canton's current town by-law can't initiate a petition to re-call his election as it is passed a certain day. I believe it is within 35 days of an election. Why no one in Canton initiated this during that time period is a good question. For a special removal of CA as selectman, I think it would be up to a Select Board vote to remove him from his seat. I don't know if that Select Board would do that. If protesters continue to disrupt public speak of Select Board meetings, they may eventually decide that this disruption is not in the best interest of conducting town business.
They just hired the Chief for another year!!!
@@jh9992 hopefully they keep up the pressure like during the last meeting. He should do the right thing and step down, but probably too selfish to do that.
The ones who kept voting this guy in when he killed someone and took off is beyond me.
Drop all charges of Karen Read
Right? How can they possibly re-try her after the lead investigator has been taken off duty for misconduct related to her case? It's evil.
Doing that would mean they would have to actually go after the people that really killed O'Keefe , are you nuts ?
The state police are only doing this because this became widely public. It’s obvious that Procter was encouraged by coworkers and bosses. He’s just the sacrifice.
I wonder if Proctor will sing? It’s funny how the colonel talks about being professional. Officer Proctor wasn’t a professional.
She confessed. Wow you’re blind. She literally confessed
Why didn't they intervene on the Trooper Paul testimony? Lack of professionality there. No science or reason whatsoever! Bizarre.
His supervisors, Tully and Bukake, knew about his bad behavior b/c they were in a group chat with him. He was the lead investigator on another current case. Continuously monitoring the trial means that if Karen had been found guilty, it would have been business as usual.
Word of the day: Hyperfocused. He just presented a word salad. Said a lot of nothing. Proctor should be fired, not rehomed. Others should be FIRED too.. Buka.. Paul... All of these "Officers" have made your state police look like complete bafoons. It's a Clown show in Mass.
Hyper 🐂💩, all I hear when these people talk anymore is, blah blah blah blah blah.
Tr Paul was just a puppet. They used him and embarrassed him. You can bet he will be getting better training after this, and wont blindly follow orders again. I dont think hes a bad cop, just untrained and not bright.
Total word salad.
He did some “corporate talk” but I felt he was sincere. He has to follow the process laid out in the union contract both for Proctor and anyone else involved in the case.
A lot of people are getting the idea that the "transfer" language means they are just sending Proctor to another post and that's it. That's not it. There is a process involved in terminating a Mass State Police and it is NOT immediate. MSP are union. The union and MSP have an agreement that if an MSP is relieved of duty at one post, they will be transferred to another post to work temporarily. They work at that other post/district until a duty status hearing takes place. At that status hearing, they will decide the disciplinary action they will take. They can A- Keep him on with pay B-Put him on restricted duty C-Suspend him with pay D- Suspend him without pay. I do not know if they have set a date for the hearing. In most cases, the union will hire an attorney to defend him.
Every case that this trooper touched is tainted, and the MSP has suffered irreparable damage due to his bad decisions and the poor decisions of his supervisors. Shame!
I AGREE 100 PERCENT
Totally agree
Nah. Standard operating procedure. Nobody wants to look at facts except the people who've been victimised.
Wait til you find out about the drug lab...
Do tell!
Fire Brian Higgins too
100% agree. Slime ball
Proctor wasn’t the only one ! His tyrant bosses as well in that chat !!! You all need REMOVED!
What about the others involved. Proctors supervisors knew what was going on and allowed it!
YES, ALL NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED. 🤔😤😡
Not to mention the "physics & stuff" guy. He might not be corrupt, but CLEARLY incompetent & way over his head.
of course nothing will happen to them lol, they are just blaming this one guy and everyone is falling for it
@@11C1PThe only person I’ve ever seen who I would describe as “criminally stupid”.
The DA's office is just as culpable. More, in fact. The State better be coming down on that office, not waiting on the feds. The feds can take the second shot. But the DA's office as a whole is corrupt and complicit. These are longstanding patterns of widespread, commonplace corrupt investigations and prosecutions, as well as both of those as it pertains to protecting coming LEO'S. Disgusting.
Poor John O. He will never have justice because of these corrupt officers. I don't know how any of them can sleep at night.
Narcissists have no trouble sleeping
@@JulieRushworth true.
Yes it’s all their fault we will never know the truth.
Locking Karen up is on the way. She IS the hateful killer. No other way to explain her insane abnormality that night. She counted John exposure in cold without coat as a punish that is why she asked Jennifer to Google. She risked john's Life for her rage. This damn dangerous woman deserves the highest conviction under the law.
@BostonNanna I think we might some day.
- this man is corrupt and needs to be dragged into the fed investigation also. they are all dirty AF.
What about Sandra Birchmore homicide!
Accountable? No one has been held to the standard that a person working at McDonalds would go through. Sickening.
Paying lip service and doing damage limitation exercises will not remove the stink of corruption in Canton PD
Fire him!!
He's in a Union have to make sure everything in order before they terminate him
Cannot be fired. MSP union too powerful on Beacon Hill. ALL LE in MA are corrupt.
@@Paul1958R 😅😅😅 NEVER?? YEAH I DON'T THINK SO
This guy's a joke just like the rest of them. Remember he was texting his bosses
@@user-hv1yt9bc6b Well he will NEVER be accused of being VERY BRIGHT
You made the decisions yesterday only! It is only because it got out that you are pretending to do something. You are liable too!
He needs to be fired, too. And every single case that the MASS state police have investigated needs to be re-investigated!
I agree he needs to be fired, but they can't fire him immediately. There's a process. This explains it well: A lot of people are getting the idea that the "transfer" language means they are just sending Proctor to another post and that's it. That's not it. There is a process involved in terminating a Mass State Police and it is NOT immediate. MSP are union. The union and MSP have an agreement that if an MSP is relieved of duty at one post, they will be transferred to another post to work temporarily. They work at that other post/district until a duty status hearing takes place. At that status hearing, they will decide the disciplinary action they will take. They can A- Keep him on with pay B-Put him on restricted duty C-Suspend him with pay D- Suspend him without pay. I do not know if they have set a date for the hearing. In most cases, the union will hire an attorney to defend him.
I hope the internal affairs is being investigated by the FBI!
I wouldn't put too much faith in them either !
@@tonystevenson26 right!? We are in a widespread chronic state of distrust at this point. It’s really disheartening.
lol like the FBI is trustworthy?
Who's gonna investigate FBI?
@@jeanettecoleman-mz7ie it was the FBI who tipped off the defense in the first place… Hopefully, they can get the job done. 🤷♀️
For those of you not following the trial, he used the terms he did in a group chat with his boss and fellow officers while they asked him if he found undressed photos of Karen Read on her phone that was in evidence. It’s clear the whole department is garbage and promotes that kind of behavior.
No doubt
This isn't the only case that trooper and his supervisors have tainted. I honestly feel like he should be charged.
‘We monitored the trial’ but let the sham continue until we were fully exposed to the light of public scrutiny….and it was then, and only then we began to respond to our crimes publicly.
Due to Michael Proctors misconduct we’ve decided to rehome him!
Gawd!!!! Right!?!?? A buncha hot air!!!!
The McAlberts need to be rehomed! Haha!
guaranteed he walks away with his full pension and benefits..... disgusting
@melanieragadio2018 Pretty sure BA retired right after JO’s death.
Behind the thin blue wall
Will these be the same investigators who investigated all the cops who stole overtime pay and let them retire with pension
Same thing in grant county washington state..overtime
Fire NO pension
What was it, 16 of them?!!
Same thing in Lincoln. County wa..im at chrissharpeworld
Yep, same ones.
What about the cops that went drinking in Sandwich in a cruiser and lost gun and badge?
The only reason this happened, this case was nationally reported on - if it were a public defender and she were poor - all the manufactured evidence - the texts and unprofessional behaviors and attitudes in the culture of the Dept. wouldn't have been exposed nationally. The Trooper and DA would have gotten a Atta Boy and onto the next case.
Sandra Birchmore case coming!
He's a liar he should have been fired how come he hasn't been. The hardworking taxpayers deserve better than you.
You need to fire your loser Trooper. He framed that poor woman.
Absurd. All relevant evidence clearly proves that Karen Read killed John O'Keefe
The odesity of this guy to talk about accountability and due process. There needs to be an EXTERNAL investigation of the whole MSP, from top down.
"audacity"?
“It’s not reflective of the Mass. State Police!” -- Oh please!!
If you want to gain the people's trust again, Proctor needs to be fired, not transferred. He is still being paid. Ridiculous!
He is due due process like everyone else. Not excusing what he did but he is warranted the same due process we all are guaranteed to have.
Agree 100%
He's got a hearing coming up he will definitely be fired as he should of been 2 years ago
Then condemn those that participated with Proctor
Fruit of the poisoned tree? "If you tolerate this, then your children will be next" as the song goes.
What you need is an outside agency to have full access to the State Police to monitor and audit the Mass State Police. I respect the police - I really do - but the bad apples have to be weeded out because it puts a stain on every trooper and that's not right!
This is Massachusetts… MSP Colonel, DA Morrisey, Canton selectman John Connelly have zero self control. Does the Colonel look like he could run across the street? They all eat and drink away the taxpayers $. Sad.
All crooked MFs
They all should be investigated
Enough is enough! Something needs to change, but I don’t know how that can happen with such widespread corruption.
They tried to set that woman up
Still may go to another trial. They won't stop till she's in prision!
Of course, most people aren't guilty of half of the charges they get some are completely innocent
@@koconnell271we’ll see about that. Talk is real cheap.
They DID set KR up! Hence the trial.
That whole pack needs to be put in their place....jail!
100 % AGREE !!!
Why did it take over a year to conplete an IA investigation? Knowing all you knew about this corrupt cop, you still sat by and let the trial play out with the possibility of an innocent woman going to jail.
Hos long till Jennifer McCabe admits that she did that search at 2 am. Hos long till you figure out who is really responsible for John O'Keefe death?
A retired FED said FBI knows Brian and Colin Albert killed John O in the basement.
I speak police let me translate --- We knew for years how bad Procter was but now that it's been brought to national attention we have decided to finally do something about it to save face with the public. there's nothing to see here the rest of the force is 100% honest.
Very well said TY
THANKS FOR TRANSLATING OINKS ARE HARD TO UNDERSTAND !!!
This!! 👆🏻👆🏻
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
We are going to move Proctor to a less visible position until the media attention dies down.
What a load of crap, he is just saying what he thinks he should. He will probably have a drink with Proctor later on!
This!! 👆👆👆
I'm sure he was at the VFW of the other night
A drink? Nah, most likely 5-6 drinks!!! Of course he will and then will get behind the wheel of a state police vehicle and drive home.
100% he’s one of them. The only thing they’re sorry about is being caught and now having to answer to the taxpayer.
This conduct is not reflective of the MSP. But...our commanding officers participate in the conduct instead of correcting or reprimanding it.
Maybe
ALL these bad actors in this case, Common Wealth, ATF, PD had better be heavily investigated by the FBI and DOJ. Specifically, the chief and Brian Higgins.
Why does he still have a job? His bad conduct towards women is unacceptable! What about other cases he investigated?
There are steps they have to go through to get rid of him. It's in the works.
He'll attend some sensitivity classes ...
Cannot be fired. MSP union too powerful on Beacon Hill. ALL LE in MA are corrupt.
And NO pending. Fired
No pension
I guarantee this guy is just as bad as Proctor. If it wasn't for the trial, Proctor would still be working for this guy.
He wouldn’t have done a thing if she’d been declared guilty. Says a lot about how they operate.
He’s protecting his pension too. We all know. There will be no real change.
It wasn’t JUST his comments! His conduct as a whole is indicative of a culture of deceit. He is not the ONLY bad apple!
Terrible terrible conduct that cost this women’s family a freaking nightmare !!!!!! 🤢🤢🤢🤢 What about the others ?????????
KRs terrible conduct caused the death of a police officer.
@@Barb417Prove it.
@@Barb417 The alberts murdered a police officer
@@Barb417 I haven't seen a shred of actual evidence that tied her directly to his death. Pieces of tail light that miraculously broke several times in evidence, the lack of a proper crime scene, the expert witnesses who stated it wasn't possible for O'Keefe to have died from a car accident, nor to have died from getting hit by a very precise part of her car in those conditions all prove it wasn't death by Karen Read. More happened here but the State Police and DA's Office aren't willing to uncover the truth because it will bloody their department and office more than they already are at this time. The real victims here besides John O'Keefe are his niece and nephew who have lost yet another parent.
Ok boomer @Barb417 why did the jury get it wrong? Slurp those boots.
Proctor felt safe to send those gross texts to his bosses. What did THEY do about it? Did they even tell him it was wrong? If not, they should be scrutinized too.
They’ve all been doing it for years. Look at the Sandra Birchmore case not one of those Predators is in jail They were cops investigated by Proctor and Kevin Albert.
Why now? Clean the house, he didn’t acted alone. This feels like if they would have been able to “pin it on the girl”, nothing would have happened. They waited to say something after the mistrial. Respect the trial process sounds like a joke, so allow a person to go through that anguish, spend so much in defense, tax dollars used in that circus, when they could have been open and say the investigation didn’t fulfill protocol since the beginning.
The whole world is watching this circus
Watched trial from Montana. Way too much reasonable doubt to convict KR. And Lally said he is going to retry her! WTH. Math and physics don't lie, but the witnesses for the Commonwealth sure did.
Dam right I'm from Canada
@@lindagabovic1966 Montana here
Watching from UK
Gotta love it. We will not tolerate any misconduct which is why we will not fire Michael proctor and instead assign him to a brand new department where no one knows of his previous misconduct.
exactly. all talk no action.
We know and so does the 1A community who is watching closely. Sounds like this police department needs a good audit. 😅
All incidents like this require labor law considerations that ensure due process steps for employees. Any violation of labor laws could make it harder if not impossible to get rid of him.
Protector knows too much
Oh they know everyone in america knows
There should be an outside investigation into this state, the federal government owes the citizens of the state.
The problem is that Proctor was not the only one involved with this misconduct his boss was also involved, and other officers as well.
Higgins as well
You didn’t fire him though did you?
Nope. Once all the dust settles, he'll be back to his regular "duties". Worst case scenario for him is he gets a job at a different agency.
exactly/
The state police in Massachusetts need to be investigated!!! This is BS!
What about the others that allowed it and gave 'thumbs ups"?!
They are just throwing only Proctor under the bus, but we know they are lot corrupt troopers there and good ones can’t speak up
Crude texts aside, what is MSP doing to improve their accident reconstruction training, policies and procedures? Trooper Paul has to be the worst expert witness ever. I think the defense did not object to his testimony because he was so woefully inept, uneducated and unprofessional.
He also has to be accountable. He impersonated knowledge he clearly doesn’t have, with the purpose of convicting a woman. That is also planting evidence.
Where was the support for John O'Keefe from Boston PD? They know KR did not back into John. How does a first responder not respond to all the excitement on his front yard on the morning of January 29, 2022? KR was framed. JMO
Mawn needs to be fired along with Proctor. The entire State Police system needs to be torn down and rebuilt with someone from the outside taking over to make sure it's not the same old song and dance. Enough with the scandals, enough of these meaningless speeches from Mawn declaring things are going to change. Healey Needs to actually stay put in the state she claims to govern and do her job. She's jetting around the globe on her self promotion tours while the state police once again looks like a clown show.
Bring a leader that has a proven track record of cleaning up! This goes beyond MPD to BPD and Canton PD as well as DA's office. The entire system is rotten.
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash! Smh 🤦♂!!!
He is the problem. If he were smart he'd retire before the dragnet.
@@kevc6115 dont forget that the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down a few years ago for pervasive top down overtime fraud. News reporters had Troop E people in pajamas taking out trash at time they claimed and were paid overtime 🤦
Democrat city. Democrat State. Democrat cops. Democrat DA. Democrat Gov. Are you starting to get the point yet?
What about trooper "physics & stuff"? He needs to go too.
And he was training someone during the Read investigation. Can you imagine?
@@Maria.9094wow!😮
It's not just one bad apple. The whole barrel is dirty.
This is the walk along speech.... he's telling you what you want to hear as he walks you out the door!!
So, I guess his supervisors are next since they absolutely knew about and even participated in those text messages?
His supervisor was tampering with the car in the sallyport
What a travesty of justice, how did the jury ignore the science from Dr Wolf! The mind boggles
Exactly !
@@NYC2023-du8mgSomeone was in the jury who had connections of some sort with the police! how else could they ignore the plow driver, dog marks and experts the FBI use?!
Im sure some juries were either paid or intimidated by McAlberts
What, you're not buying what The Commonwealth, through Adam "Mumbles" Lally and Trooper "Crime Scene Whisperer" Paul, tried to sell the jury, that Karen Read backed her SUV up into John O'Keefe at 24 mph, striking him in the arm and catapulting him 10+ feet onto Brian Albert's lawn and that the cuts on John's arm were from a broken tail light and not, as they clearly seem to be, from dog bites and scratches? Shocking.
The story is there was an ex cop on the jury and the judge picked him as the foreman.
With how freely Proctor was speaking in text, it's a guarantee that he's not the only corrupt one. They have just been getting away with it for a very long time
They are focusing on Proctor but his supervisor did not say a word telling him to stop he should be gone also
Bunch of BS. Proctor, his supervisors and Trooper Paul need to be "Re-Homed" to flat foots in the community.
Proctor needs to be Prosecuted! NOt demoted with a badge and gun.
Trooper Paul is barely able to string together a full sentence.
What about the whole department, he is the scapegoat…
He was ALLOWED to be a bad/corrupt cop, maybe even encouraged...too bad for all the good troopers.
They are absolutely reflective of the Mass state police. There was more than one cop in the chats and it was all accepted. That is a culture of this behavior
No clear answers. Extremely political escape.
In other words he really means. We were hoping this trial would not be a National event. Therefore we did nothing. Now we are forced to cover our tails and investigate ourselves.
They kept him in his position through the trial KNOWING FULL WELL WHAT HE HAD DONE, because they wanted KR convicted to weaken her in a lawsuit.
"This is totally normal for us. I condemn these commets only because you found out. We are doing our best to get this trooper retired with full benefits as soon as possible"
Smoke and mirrors. They knew about this and did nothing until after the trial. They didn't fire home. They rehomed him and he still gets his full salary and pension.
I don’t believe this man at all.
Remember LA Confidential?
A couple heads will roll and the deep down cop culture will remain. 🙁
he is gaslighting.
Absolutely… saving face
Great movie btw.
Truth. The same thing is happening everywhere. The whole of government is corrupt to it's core.
Um, do you realize that was fiction ?
Years too late and he’s not fired entirely ridiculous
We have lost all respect for you and what you stand for Sir.
Typical political non-statement (BS). There are way deeper problems than Proctor in the MPD. None of his superiors in those text threads made any attempt to correct his conduct or behaviour in those messages. That's culture. Root and branch clean out.
Arrest him
Yeah that’s why they waited until the hung jury.
Why did you wait till now? As soon as you seen those text messages you should have fired or relieved him from his duties. Don’t say to much about your department on waiting
If you are worthy of trust then you must admit that the video of Mathew Farwell entering that apartment are suspect as hell. I am no TB rider, but c'mon those 3 cops from Stoughton are on another level of evil.
Justice for Sandra
He said exactly nothing , nothing that I could make anything out of anyway
Stop allowing cops to donate to political campaigns. It’s a conflict of interest
All unions do this. Teachers unions are corrupt too
That's not good enough! Taxpayers demand Proctor fired!
Of course the MSP tolerates (encourages) misconduct, evidenced by Proctor's continued employment with them.
The Union is protecting him. Im sure the dept wants him gone. Clean up the police union contracts
Exactly !
If you think they don't want this behavior then they have you fooled
@@howlinwulfprecisely!
The "transfer" is just temporary, until they have his duty status hearing.
LOT'S OF WORD SALAD. NO ACTION. HE SHOULD BE FIRED. THEY ALL KNEW OF HIS MISCONDUCT YET HE STILL OCCUPIED HIS POST UNTIL HE WAS PUBLICLY EXPOSED.
Next trial will be interesting because instead of Lead Investigator Proctor they will have Mr Proctor former Lead Investigator fired for extremely unprofessional behavior
I doubt he will testify. That’s why he was transferred.I don’t think there will be a retrial.
But over and over these comments and behaviors DO speak to the rest of the department. The 8 people on his group chat was not the only place Proctor-spread his bias and hate. Proctor was to confident and to casual with his bigotry.
As someone not from Massachusetts but whom has had a lifelong dream of moving there- after watching this.... I will never step foot inside the boundaries of this state. Yikes! The thought that state police are this corrupt and willing to flat out lie in open court under oath- yeah- I like my freedom and liberties too much. I'll stay where I am at and am safe. ❤
I escaped from there 24 years ago. Best move I ever made.
Born and raised here -
A great state aside from some bad apples. believe me they are everywhere - all states. major changes need to be made
Don’t be naïve, this is not exclusive to Massachusetts. Plenty of reasons not to move here the state police not one of them.
DO NOT even consider it!! Trust me, you’ll regret it.
@@Coopmanpinstop it.
Also fire his two supervisors that said nothing!
This is where they’ve always been as an organization, this guy needs to be fired more than proctor.