Stay With Us: Evangelizing the Disaffiliated
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Friends, among the largest problems within the Church today is the massive disaffiliation of our own people, especially the young. In this lecture for the University Series, I reflect on the religiously unaffiliated by answering these three essential questions:
- Who are the “nones"?
- Why are they leaving?
- How do we get them back?
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I never left the church, I thank God
for my mom, grand parents for their
faith and how it affected my entire fam. Praise the Lord!!
God bless parents and grandparents that live out their faith. A wise Lutheran pastor told me that faith is caught and not taught! Right teaching is important but more important is to let your light shine before all.
why doen`t trinity never mentioned in bible,
I was brought up catholic but left years ago for some of the reasons Bishop Barron mentioned but especially because I felt spirituality couldn't be found in catholicism. I have stumbled opon many of Bishop Barron's videos, his knowledge of religion, philosophy and his understanding of my generation in regards to religion, spirituality etc. has shed light on misconceptions I had. I have been doing some of my own searching and slowly but surly, I'm coming back by my own choice.
Coincidentally - read St.Teresa of Avila.
My story is similar to yours, and I found myself reaching out to my old church this Christmas Day, may we strengthen with the Holy Spirit on our journey home.
to God be the glory
@@sataystick3937 indeed
Welcome home.
I grew up in a family that said the family rosary every night and daily Mass was encouraged. All four of my siblings have stayed faithful.
I'm a 61 year old Catholic, my father always used to say to me, look to God he is the one that will look after you, through my teens and early 20's and beyond I did what I wanted to do, after my divorce 37 years, I looked to God and you know what God was there to pick me up and move me forward, but you have to tell God your all in.
Yes, I second that. That was my experience too... that He wants you to be all in.
I would also say that Catholic parents need to step up too. One reason I became disaffiliated was because of my parents- they couldn't answer some of my questions and I had one parent become disaffiliated too. I realize not everyone has great, stand-up parents but for those of us who have a relationship with them I wish they did more at the time. This will no doubt become a generational thing in the future- those who are not affiliated will have kids who won't even have the chance to really get involved with the religion in begin with.
Perhaps God gave YOU to your parents to lead THEM TO CHRIST! I'LL be praying for you
My parents had be baptized when I was a baby but then left the church, this year I rejoined the church on my own and just did my confirmation, I have never been happier
I am so happy you have found your way back to our Catholic family. God speed.
I have observed the amazing increase of young people's attendance in the traditional Latin Masses! Thanks be to God!
I am a firm believer in the Catholic Tradition. Please don’t be offended by my statement Bishop, but I am very surprised at your attitude Re: the Latin Mass, I was a follower of you for a long time, but now I am turned off by your latest attitude. Christ taught us the Truth and it cannot be changed. If you have changed, and by your attitude I believe you have, my prayers are for your conversion back to Christ’s Truths. God bless you and keep you safe.
@karen so has the traditional movement. They're exploding in attendance during the COVID pandemic.
@@louisehuberty490 my problem with the latin mass is that it is in latin. why would it be latin and only latin? mass is only interesting to people and believable to people if they can understand it. if they can't understand it they will leave in many cases.
@@louisehuberty490 Would you please clarify what changes you have experienced with Bishop Barron? I will pray for you, that you stay strong and faithful.
Beautiful talk your grace, John Polkinghorne was someone I encountered right at the height of the new atheist evangelisation. He demonstrated to me the synthesis between faith and reason. This exchange inspired me to read theology at university, and now I'm training for the priesthood in the Church of England. Sadly, I have heard that John Polkinghorne has passed away yesterday. His son gifted me with a stole once owned by John Polkinghorne, and I shall wear it for first mass when it comes, God willing. May he rest peace, and rise in glory.
Thank you for heeding your call sir to the priesthood. You are one of the chosen ones to minister to this world. Praying for you.
Thanks for your journey! Who knows if the Church of England could one day be again with us. Even so, God bless your paths, my friend! From a Brazilian 🇧🇷 catholic.
Oh, God rest his soul! I was raised Anglican before converting to Catholicism after an fairly long journey through the "none-ish" territory. I loved Polkinghorne's work on how science and religion are totally compatible. I referred people to him a lot ! He debated Richard Dawkins once and he was so filled with joy, especially given the juxtaposition of Dawkins, that even before listening to the arguments I feel you were inclined to want to be like Polkinghorne between the two, and then he had the intellectual and logical chops to make the better case. He was a great man. I will add him to my prayers.
It is joyful to hear your story. Thank you. You are blessed.
The intellectual side of catholicism is what drew me from a protestant background to coming into full communion this coming Easter. Hard to argue when the facts are so convincing.
Thank you Bishop Barron for this guidance. I am a catechist for teen Confirmation and your presentation can help me make it meaningful for the candidates. You will help me inspire candidates with the treasures of our faith!
I will stay with you.pleaae stay with me Bishop Barron.
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I wish we could attend a Mass where we could sing joyful songs raise our hands I praise.
I do were I go to mass.
God bless Bishop Barron. He helps me in my walk with Jesus.
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I wanted to get up from my chair and cheer when Bishop Barron denounced the dumbing down of the faith. I disaffiliated for some years until engaging with the Church intellectually brought me back. Finally learning what I refer to as the "Why's" behind Catholicism not only brought me back, but made me enthusiastic and eager to learn more.
Dear Bishop, I thank God for the gift of socialmedia and the internet because through these I am able to watch and listen and interact with you.
Well done Bishop Barron. I just thank God that I hail from a country where it's unheard-of to be non-religious.
Where are you from?
@@ChowMan144 perhaps India and poking a nose on the good Bishop Barron?
I’d love to share my testimony with you, Bishop. I was once a youth that placed my faith in science and, 20 years later, I’ve finally come home because my soul was famished. How can I be of service to the work you do?
What a testimony!!!
Share your story, Cassie! Would you like to be a guest speaker for our Women's WorkLight group?
Faith and science? Do those two really go together?
@@ding9633 Hello! Hope life finds you well :)
I would say in one respect Faith and Science have different goals.
Science is tasked with answering questions of how things work and what they are made of. Even if we want to go to the big questions - how was the universe made. How did humans come to exist.
Faith on the other hand seeks answers to “why” questions. Why does the universe exist? Why were humans made? Why do I exist? Why is there something rather than nothing?
Although these affairs are different, I would say they depend on each other.
Science proceeds down the road with the assumption that things can be known. That there is an orderly universe with “laws” established about how the universe works. These rules don’t change haphazardly from day to day. It also travels on the assumption that there is something meaningful and good about finding out how things work and how to make life better.
But Faith recognizes the order and organization and predictably of the universe and says why is it so? Why would such a universe exist? Why would all this exist if there wasn’t some purpose? And if there is some purpose and intelligibility, then doesn’t they point to the possibility of something that created it? And if so, do we also recognize other “laws” - not physics and such but natural laws about what it means to be a human with a life. Things like “life is precious and should be protected especially from malevolence. Murder is evil. That evil exists. That people are susceptible to moral corruption. That we do not find meaning and value and purpose from looking within.
Would love to hear your thoughts on these beginning comments.
The thing that made me convert was the reverence and mystery. Catholicism in movies is always shown with incense, icons, statues, beautiful architecture, chanting, Latin and just overwhelming mystery, compared to the Protestantism I was used to.
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@@blackfalkon4189 there was a ton of that stuff in Jesus time. Did you read the Old Testament ? All the Jewish temples of Jesus time and before we’re decked out in gold, used liturgical incense, and used tons of sacred symbolic architecture. Plus they had the golden cherubim statues and stuff like that. Catholicism is very much the continuation of OT Judaism
@Lucid. Agreed. The traditional movements have exploded in attendance (especially the young families) during the COVID pandemic. They never knew such beauty is still alive and thriving.
I went to a bar mitsfa. And they had a tabernacle with the logos, the word ,in it.... the Torah!!!! And we have the tabernacle with the word, the logos, made flesh!!!!!’
Amen
I must agree with you Bishop, that EXPERIENCING the faith is a very good start - both for passive Catholics as well as those who have left the Church. Getting involved in HELPING others in any way, opens the heart, and then the mind will seek answers. I am a very good example of that, and I was able to understand my faith (grew up in a very passive Catholic home) by practically repeatedly watching almost all WOF videos since way back 2010. Eventually I was drawn to the Eucharist, and can never thank you enough for that. Thank you so much Bishop.
Being a Protestant for so many years not being taught the truth about the Eucharist, yet finally realizing when Jesus says THIS ISMYBODY And BLOOD that’s exactly what He meant. I praise the Lord,for HIS TRUTH . GOD is so faithful. I am so grateful for men of GOD like you and brother Tom Nash , so 0:15 humbly speaking TRUTH so clearly . I am now by GODS GRACE And MERCY A JOYFUL CATHOLIC BELIEVER. WHEN ONE is OPEN to the TRUTH, GOD REVEALS TRUTH. 😊🙏
Great Bishop, I am always reminded of the great Fulton Sheen each time I listen to your teachings
Fantastic episode Bishop Barron, thank you! I'll admit, I'm not the best Catholic. In fact, I suck at it...Lord please don't give up on me! I guess my biggest issue with the church over the years was my conflict not so much with God, but with the man-made institution. I've seen so much anger, hate, ostracism, corruption, and of course, scandal. There were times when certain parishioners would rub me the wrong way with their "holier than thou" attitude, as if they were certain of "guaranteed entrance" into heaven when they die. But, I kept coming back to the church, and still come back because I have no issues with Jesus. Jesus shouldn't have to pay the price for knucklehead humans. If I turn away, then I fail to follow my Lord's commandment to love one another, and I don't want to fail Him anymore.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, please have mercy on me, for I am a sinner.
Yes the social media brought me back to the church
You give me hope! I pray you persevere.
@Huxley Axel sounds mighty spammy
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Me too. The Pope asked couple years ago on Twitter, to say one Hail Mary a day. Before I knew it I was saying the rosary and going to mass.
@@jaqian that's so awesome!
Brilliant. You got me back in spite of the whole Boston thing. I have seen a miracle. BB's mind is amazing. So quick.
Thank you very much. Though we are many catholics here that overflows the cathedral during masses. I am one of many that try to find meaning to why we do what we do. My grandma answered all my questions. So i stayed and continue to love our faith. ☺ ❤ from philippines
to God be all the glory.
Love the man whose asking Bishop the questions, God bless him
Thanks Bishop Barron! Very insightful, as usual!😊
Thanking God for all gifts given you Bishop Barron as you unselfishly use them to Help us understand our Catholic truths and teachings... listening to always leaves me enlightened strengthened enabled and joyful ...may the Lord continue to supply the grace you need for this wonderful ministry.
Need more priests enthusiastic and have a passion for the church just like you Father Barron
It's so sad 😞 we got to Pray for them!! It's very difficult to make them understand, because they Faith is not strong, since they have been not thought and they don't believe 😔
This massive disaffiliation started happening when the modernism of Vatican II started picking up, ideas like “Hell is empty”, “The Catholic Church is the ‘preferred’ path”. But we know what MUST be done, we MUST go back to the teachings of THE CHURCH, and I pray for our clergy’s conversion every day.
@@elizabethkraszewski6603 I’m more and more convinced the future of The Church is on the laity’s hands, we have to start teaching our children and maybe in one generation or two, we’ll start seeing The Church coming back.
A group that teaches an immensely unpopular sexual philosophy but at the same time refused to let pedophiles be prosecuted for decades.
Gee, I wonder why people leave it.
I love Word on Fire's materials and community. Very helpful for evangelizing within parishes.
why doen`t trinity never mentioned in bible,
This has been very interesting. I think a lot about how to re-engage my 20 something children with matters of the soul, prayer connection with God. My husband and I grew up through the 60’s and 70’s when all authority was questioned and cynicism was all the rage and I’ve always felt that that era posed the greatest threat to organized religion. I still feel it very deeply today in that any one who bought in to anti establishment thinking raises an eyebrow when I tell them that I go to Mass every Sunday. I’m an outlier, un-intellectual. They are amazed. I believe that the children of these boomers have mostly certainly been influenced by the attitudes of their parents.
This is excellent. Thank you Bishop Barron.
Just plan thank you I am an elderly catholic woman who loves Word On Fire and your right my church forgot me.
Great talk! Barron convinced me that evangelization is a priority.
51:15 Bishop Barron, i am a huge fan of your work. You were one of the main forces that drew me back into the church after being a lapsed catholic for almost all my life.
You can substitute the response you give at this time stamp with what peoples concerns are with removing the Tridentine mass. I know people get angry and vitriolic about this topic over RUclips, but the concern comes from a very serious place. One could ask why is Gregorian chant, one of the most beautiful gems of the church, nowhere to be found in the modern church. Most young catholics have never even heard of it.
I understand, and very much agree, the Tridentine mass is not a panacea to fix every problem, but my goodness people are starving for beauty and transcendence, and it has a direct affect on their belief system.
I will follow your work now and always, my first time reading straight through the gospels was with the WoF bible. I don't bring this topic up in anger or an attacking spirit, just one revert who found their way back through you and then through the Tridentine mass.
The unaffiliated that I meet are not leaving, they have never been in a church or part of a faith community.
I was in a unaffiliated household my mom an agnostic atheist my father a German Lutheran, my mom's parents were both Catholic so that is just wrong implying the unaffiliated
@@EnlightenedHeart01 I wonder if your Mom understands all the beauty & grace she kept from her children....it must break your Maternal Grandparents hearts... may God grant a loving & wondrous path to His Trurh ... 🙏🏼✝️
A wonderful quote:. "Justice, is love in public".........💓
Bless you Father, these issues are mind numbing, but necessary... Pray, too, for us. Pax Christi.
Perhaps knowing the exact cause of a problem is half way into solving it, and it is indeed relieving that Bishop Barron has a first-hand knowledge of the *'reasons' which people project,* as for their disaffiliating.
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God's WORD accomplishes all and everything☆
The rise in "nones" is excellent news, it means that people are learning to reason and not accept things are true simply because someone says it's true. It also means that more individuals will receive equal rights and humans will start being treated humanely.
Thank god for atheism!
I would run through a brick wall for Bishop Barron. He busts his butt and I respect that!
As a ordained minister I appreciate what Bishop Barron says. He is a very highly educated individual. Whenever he speaks, people will listen. I thoroughly enjoy the dialogue and communication that he provides to all of us throughout the world. We are in a battle of Flesh versus spirit. We were given Free Will and that is why we have so many problems today. Lack of proper morals and values from the parents and also social media causing many emotional and mental health issues. This was written in Psychology today magazine. What needs to happen is God needs to be back where he belongs, number one in our life. We need to think of him and not ourselves. Reverend Timothy Michael
I think it's a big help to get young people involved in Christian Social Justice - Get them involved in St Vincent DePaul, Homeless shelters, food banks, Habitat for Humanity - these organizations expose them to many believers.
Bishop, with your explanations, now I understand Mrs. Imelda Marcos from my native country when she said "arts and beauty" are important. I could not quote the entirety of her statements about beauty and arts but since she is a very devout Christian Catholic (who I always see holding the Holy Rosary), I am carried by your explanations about our traditions to believe Imelda's belief in arts and beauty. Thank you for all your presentations, beautiful way to evangelize. I hope Cardinal Tagle won't mind if I say, may Bishop Barron be on line to be our dearest Pope!
Thank you Bishop! We shouldn’t always take the poll respondents’ objections or answers as the final word. People will use any argument to keep God at arms’ length, in some cases. Modern people want comfort & safety. The church needs to talk about sin, salvation & reconciliation with God. These are the themes & methodologies used by Jesus.
Good point, I tend to agree with you, in fact I am a little concerned that the Bishop is concerned about the numbers game and how to win friends and influence people.
The whole sex thing does make me less willing to evangelise. At work so many people are living with somone outside of marriage or on a secound/third marriage or in a gay relationship. They, and I, know if they were to accept church teaching in its entirety it would mean giving up the person they love. I am happily celibate but even saying "Would you like to come to mass" to these colleagues would be difficult. It's a huge hurdle they have to jump right from the start.
Sometimes doing the hard thing and being honest with someone is hard to do . Yet it is always the right thing to do even with ourselves. Thank you for sharing. God bless you.
Show them the beautiful and then leave it to God to work the miracle
well for the people on their second and third marriage, they are allowed to stay in that marriage if they convert to catholicism while in it. I don't think divorcing is ever a requirement to become catholic. for the gay relationships that is a bit tougher.
A way in is DEFINITELY through the Saints! The Saints were my thread of connection to the church when I "stepped away". I always stayed connected to the Saints (specifically St. Francis of Assisi).
St. Cecelia ✨🙏🏼✨
I grew up Catholic but I wasn’t Cathecised well. Not until my divorce, and my children became adults and left the church did I start searching for answers. My children would ask me questions about the church and I had no answers. So I started praying and asking God to help me. I started listening to EWTN and GRN on the radio. Mother Angelica helped me so much to understand the church. All the hosts on EWTN radio taught me so much and informed me about the church. I went to a retreat at the shrine in Alabama that mother Angelica founded and the priest there were so amazing . This place was a big part of my mind and heart opening up to learning more about being a Catholic. I think if all our priest were like the priest in Alabama shrine our our young would not leave the church.
I think we all need to be accountable as well in wanting to find those answers. Some of us are not ready or willing to say Gods will not my will. I didn’t realize that’s what I was doing when I wanted to do things my way not the churches way. I just thought how can so many people be wrong. I had to look at myself and make choices that were not popular. Thank you Fr Barron. I pray for you and all our priests.
is it only because I am old .... 68, or do others find themselves listening to these lectures, these teachings of the Bishop over and over .... to get it all down. I agree completely, I was for a long time on the school board of one of our local Catholic grade schools, my son went from pre K 3 to 8th grade graduation .... he is now 25 and he graduated with maybe 125 students. It is shocking, shocking shocking to see how many of those young people are totally disconnected completely from the church ... and many from religion. I often think about how to fight back ... and to the best of my knowledge even with the many older nones I know ... MANY .... they did NOT LEARN FAITH .... they do not believe and have never been taught how to believe. They really do not get that knock and the door will be open, seek and ye shall find ... they do not get that really means prayer .... If you want to meet God, if you want to know God ... you gotta talk to God ... period. Word On Fire should I think focus on what we have ... Catholic education ... our kids are gone from my sons generation because as hard as I fought .... it was really barely a Catholic school at least based on the Catholic schools I went to .... of course I was in the 6th grade before had my first and last lay teacher until highschool. Make our school INCLUDING UNIVERSITIES Catholic again... They are NOT!
our textbooks were even Catholic in the 50s and 60s .... it was great ....
I am 76years old.
We learned by first mesmerizing prayers and the catechism Q&A.
Then by middle school we were learning Church history.
The mass was broken down so we knew what was going on.
We also learned about sanctifying grace ...etc. okay we need to respect their questions. Get the answers.
@@karenglenn2329 and ... we went to mass every single morning... Monday through Friday ... first thing... church ... donuts and milk due to fasting .... school. It was a great life ... we really liked the free donuts!
Jerry yes every day mass.
We brought a bagged breakfast. That meant the smell of hard boiled eggs.
The boys took turns serving mass.
@@karenglenn2329 yep I was an alter boy too ... Latin at first then it later changed to English. Oh cinnamon roll was much better. LOL!!!
Thank you Bishop!
In our world today we need to be missionaries for christ everywhere.😘
Bishop Brown The solution is within the selection of priests, should be quality not quantity. Minimally, they should be friends of our community. You know this first hand father. I am in a poor South American Country and I could see first hand how priests that are simply friends move mountains. Down here we move mountains with details. Father, it is really simple. This is from a "fool for Christ". You are looking at this intellectually, dumbing down, you are reducing this intellectually because you are an intellectual. How about teaching catechism with priests and others who simply love. We don't know our religion. It is not in Aquinas but on who teaches it, who lives it. You are an intellectual who lives your Faith and that is why I love listening to you. Thank you Father.
Yes! Bishop Barron is so sincere and on target in his recommendations. It was the kindness ( charitable attitude) of a white male parishioner and beauty ( incense, etc.) of a Holy Mass at Langley AFB that drew me, a 4 1/2 year Afr American girl to my aunt's religion, Catholicism, at the age of 4 1/2. I was smitten when the male parishioner put a beautiful chrysanthemum on my little dress coat. It was the beauty of the miniature plastic cathedral that my aunt had brought from Spain, where her husband had been stationed. And the lovely mantillas she wore to church. Finally, the children's catechism type books that I obtained from her and started reading at age 8. Charity/ social justice, beauty, and clear, non-diluted, Catholic catechism is what attracts even the very young. And, not the least attractive is the mission to truly evangelize, and not just in CCD and trips to Haiti. No true mission in our community ( outside outside of food pantries, etc.), no true church.
These are the riches of the church.♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️😄
Thank you very much for this talk. I really liked it and agree with all of it. I have grown children and nieces and nephews who are "nones." Other than praying for them, I am stumped on how to approach them on this subject. Social justice teaching by our Church might be the door to discussion. Thanks again, and God be with you.
A few years ago at the beginning of my college years, the availability of all the true, catholic teachings that Bishop Barron provided really drew me back into learning and increasing in my faith! Dumbed down faith was boring! I’m so glad that I went searching deeper!
I left the church and am unlikely to return. But I respect the honesty of this. Regardless of how we find spiritual fulfillment we need to have respectful conversations and we need to take personal ownership. I feel another huge problem we have is leaders who set the opposite example. Namely not showing respect and not taking responsibility.
Second comment: the less connected people are to their church community the less connected they are to receiving the resources that they need to recover from illness or go back to work and stay connected to Life long health and happiness. Especially Family Services.
Yes, and people are becoming more and more isolated, not just from Church, but smaller families, broken families, a lot of people don’t even know the names of their neighbors
Bishop Barron is my dad... not literally but hes awesome!
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What a great method of trying to stimulate the "Church" in order to reach out to those "None" brothers and sisters who are swimming out in the deep ocean seeking to be rescued.
Amen terimakasih Bisop Barron atas pesan ilmu didikan yang di bagikan kepada kami anak muda memahami
The saying "I can't hear what your saying as your actions are speaking louder." comes to mind. Great point in speaking as St Thomas Aquinas would, and appeal to intellectual and speaking of altruism of the Church. Great stuff Fr!
Your presentation was very interesting and offered a lot of ideas to bring people back into the church as well as bringing in new converts. The question and answer session was wonderful. Thank you.
❤ Thank you very much 🙏 Bishop ❤
Bishop Barron, I so appreciate your comment on your argument to embrace our "beauty of the Faith"! We were stationed in Italy for the US Navy in Napoli. We visited Roma over 8 times. Florence (Firenze), Venice (Venezia), and Bologna. We dedicated our visits to seeing the Catholic sites...the cathedrals...having confession actually offered in English! I would watch my wife in wonder as she prayed at each location...to visit the St. John Lateran...St. Peter's Basilica, St. Paul Outside the Walls, St. Mary Major (my personal favorite)...I just hope people can have these same opportunities...
Yes, Traditional Catholicism (pre-Vatican II) vs. post-Vatican II (which IMHO is more akin to Protestantism) is the Good, the True, and the Beautiful all demonstrate the Glory of Catholicism.
Bishop, you say we must exit the Church to Evangelize however Catholics are not trained (as Protestants) well on how to Evangelize. Your 3 points on how to reach out to the "none" is spot on.
Thanks for this Bishop Barron. I'm a practicing Catholic, but struggling, and I'd be willing to bet the issues I struggle with are not exclusive to me. For me it has to do with the Church's simultaneous rejection of any form of millenarianism and Gnosticism in general, which leaves me in a thought space of just having to adhere to a somewhat blind and hopeless faith in the unknown. I was listening to something by David Bentley Hart talking about how absurd it is that in the west we've somehow managed to turn the gospel into something which promotes the family, private property, and gun ownership. The way he articulated it was pretty deft in my opinion. I have no problem believing the tenants of the faith, but I'm finding myself lost in this disturbing vision of existence as just a machine for producing suffering for souls so that God can have an ever increasing amount of saints in heaven. Last year I went to a talk about Jewish-Catholic relations with Jon Sweeney and his wife who is Jewish, and I asked her about her eschatology. She said her feeling was that the Jewish faith was much more about improving life here on earth and less about the hereafter, which struck me as profound, something I didn't have a response to, and has been something that's been churning in my mind since then. I don't know the answer, but I definitely see the potential for self destruction if we're not carful about how we consider these issues. There's a lot of this "buck up and love God or else you wimp" type of rhetoric, along with a lack of anything being done to help accomplish this feat at all. As a result I spend a lot of time with the saints. I feel strong in my faith, but this is frustrating. Hopefully this makes at least partial sense and doesn't harm anyone. I'd be interested in your thoughts and / or suggestions. Peace and love, grace, and God bless everyone.
I also struggle with faith, only just about to become fully Catholic. That feeling that I can best describe to you like this "this is our faith feeling and we can bring up nothing else for discussion and have zero doubt about it" does get to me at times. I am also a young guy who is still trying to find what place God has in my life, I only really accepted him last year, and I am still trying to figure out my place in this world in general. lots of other stuff too. I also did find some comfort in a sainty figure, Dorthy Day, she feels relatable. Everything is still very confusing, I don't want to give up my faith, but sometimes everything just doesn't make one bit of sense.
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No substitute for a 'personal relationship' with Jesus. Not just reading about it but developing one.
@@Starwarp02 Dorothy Day is awesome. Her autobiography is super inspiring. For me it's been St Teresa Benedicta (Edith Stein). Her mind and experience are such a treasure I feel unworthy to even venerate her at times. I've also been into St Maximillian Kolbe's pneumatology lately. Bishop Barron is right about not dumbing down the faith. I have to admit that prior to conversion I wouldn't have believed such intellectual prowess and courage existed within the church. God planted us a mighty seed indeed. I think things will get better. There's still things being translated, progress being made, and saints here on Earth. I'm glad you're here! Congratulations and keep digging! I will too. Peace and grace on your journey my friend.
*Update* I found this book "The Life of the World to Come"
by Dom Anscar Vonier; feeling better...
@@Ian-nb9iw Thanks for the reply, I hope things get better for us. Also thank you as well Wen and Mary.
The most brilliant pastoral discourse he has ever given to date hands down.
I'm an Anglican, but I have watched a few of Bishop Brennan's videos. It's the first time I've ever seen a Bishop 2ho can really connect with people (no disrespect) i look forward to watching more. Also, the fact he is from the US, (I'm British) adds a bit to it. I very much like his style which I find quite refreshing.
They need proof and to feel the love of God, that's what bought me back. I left because I thought the world had something better than God.i found out the hard way how wrong I was
I’m a catholic and I believe strongly .
The church needs to serve its people educate offer studies unite not only the young but the entire community.
There is very little offered in the communities . What is offered outside of communities requires to be able to buy the education action . It has become a “ business”
The only hope I had for my faith was walking in o. My grandmother in the evening as she was always praying the rosary with her prayer book. It was beautiful and had an impression on me. I asked my mom one day why she never sent us to Catholic school. She told me the nuns would not accommodate my brother who had a physical disability. God gave my brother an incredible level of intelligence at a level I can only consider a gift for what he didn't give him physically. Imagine finding out that it wasn't a matter of her not wanting to raise us Catholic, but that the church didn't care enough to take us. So, for that reason, I felt like my family was not welcome. Eventually, my parents fell away and I fell away. I know I am culturally Catholic, but with such a poor Catechisis in the Diocese of Buffalo and all the horrors coming out of that diocese all the homopredation pushes u even further today. How could a diocese with such beautiful church's turn away from ita traditions as it has, I will never understand. I began going back after my mother died, but after about 6 months, I had to remain home with my ailing g father and them Covid hit. At no time did anyone call to see if I was okay. People having to move around the country to remain employed strips them of family and community. My history is in Buffalo, but I left to take a job closer to my brother who moved to NC. We both live here now and have remained close. I feel a love for the church, but dont feel love back. The wealthy always run the church and their haughtiness pushes many away. This got worse with parish councils. Stop turning the church over to the laity.
why doen`t trinity never mentioned in bible,
Oh am sorry to hear that. All I'll be well. From the comments here I gather 3 points.
1. Look up to God He will look after you.
2. Don't leave until you have asked and had your answers.
3. Pray pray pray
@@lufhopespeacefully2037 the concept wasn’t formed yet.
@@marymolloy562 .how often does bible been revised mary.peace
Bishop,you are great,good preacher,i love it ,pray for me God bless...
;Bishop Barron you are great to be. paying attention to every ptoblem aff.ecting the Church ...and for teaching us to be aware of intelligently following religion, to be reasonable and having some foundation in our hectic lives. We need Christ and His teaching. Yes true the Church has become stale and uncaring.....the young people are still reaching out for intelligent answers and you Bishop Barron are committed to solving these issues among our you. Many tks!
We need to have the power for evangelism!!!!!!!!!!!!! Today we are in the desparate need for the evangelizing power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️😄😘😄😍😘😘😘😘♥️😘
The Church in my country couldn't care less about it's people. Priests aren't willing to talk to anyone, and there are no younger ones coming through. Once upon a time I could go into the church anytime through the day and pray.... now the doors are locked.
Gathering the eschatological community is the essential mission given by Christ.
We’re losing them because a watered-down/anything-goes ecumenism appeals only to the morally and intellectually bankrupt.
Dear Bishop Barron, I genuinely enjoyed and learned a lot from this video. I fully agree that we must stop "dumbing down" religious training of our young people, or even of older RCIA candidates. However, I would encourage you to add we also need educators capable of teaching on a more advanced level. Sadly, religion teachers in many dioceses, schools, etc. are suited more towards emotional, experiential methods of teaching, rather than the robust, intellectual approach, which you so rightly recommend. Thank you and keep up your great work!
My son stood up one day this past March and announced that God isn't real. He had prayed for God to touch his heart. No response. I did my best to tell him to ask again but he's all about nun stuff. It's horrible the things he believes are real. I pray for someone to come into his life and give him true direction.
I love hearing Bishop Baron.
Why are they leaving? Because we are throwing out the reverence, the tradition, the baroque art, the chants, the symphonies, all of the wonderful historical beauty, and replacing it with things like "diversity" and political correctness.
The only hope for this faith's survival is to return to our traditions before its too late.
They are leaving because, like me, they are waking up to the fact that there is insufficient evidence to justify a belief that it's true.
I think you, Bishop, work a LOT harder than any of the clergy that I have ever met..... I am not sure they would engage in any way like you do ... but they need to.
Bishop Barron thank you for this talk and guidance on how to bring back my sons and grandson.
Do you know why they left? As a former Christian I left because I came to realise that there is insufficient evidence to justify a belief in any god or gods.
Given the importance of 1 Corinthians 15: 14, I told Bishop Barron that there is no empirical evidence to support the biblical resurrection claim. Barron replied mocking me, implied that I was ignorant and told me to go read a long list of book titles that he gave me. I told him that I didn't need hundreds of books as all I needed was for Barron to give me just a single sentence from all these works that contains just a mustard seed's worth of empirical evidence to support that biblical claim. Bishop Barron stayed as silent as the God that you believe in.
Not mine but "a honest person who realises that they are mistaken is either no longer mistaken or no longer honest". I truly believe that your son's have, like me, chosen honesty.
That must have been difficult for them but in my humble opinion, honesty is something that you should be proud to have taught them.
I will say this in the hope that it helps. If you believe that there is no suffering in heaven and that is where you are destined. Your God must know that you would suffer if your children were in hell, so your God would surely intervene to stop that. Live your life, allow your children and grandson to live theirs and put your trust in your God to make things right.
You could of course set yourself free and become an atheist.
Fantastic discussion, 👍
I sent a message to Rome asking: why wouldn't his Holiness, the Pope, doesn't require Cardinals/Arch Bishops/Bishops to organize weekly Church subjects in order to bring Christians back to Church through invitations. In today's internet, it should be a lot easier than before.
The reply U got that his Holiness, the Pope, cannot require the Church leaders to implement his wishes unless the Church leaders Initiate these Church needs.
If we leave a void in the minds of Christians, some organization will rush to occupy it.
Therefore, let us plug these holes without letting the bad slip through the cracks.
Inviting Christians back to Church to discuss beliefs, without getting involved in Politics, is the key to bring Christians back to Church. The Church leaders should be fully capable of answering any faith question, specially in view of the sciences of today.
Thanks for your Sermon.
So bishop, a cradle Catholic here; whether it be V2 or not it is the leaders of the church that have lost these disaffiliated, but now the same who lost them, now want those are still here to pick up the pieces and get then back. We who have been faithful, we who raise, educate and evangelize our own kids now have to go and educate and evangelize everyone else's. Mother Angelica warned us of church activism and we are accosted by it regularly, to no nauseam.
I think the church needs to rid itself of the leaders who are not evangelizing or teaching from the pulpit. Those who do not live their call. We have a priest here who came into the church late in life but can't give any intelligible reason for suffering in the world. Can't wear his priestly clothing when not on church grounds. It seems he can't wait to get into jeans/t-shirt, is more interested in the music of the mass, /leaving the alter to go play the organ/piano DURING Mass). But we should be concerned about evangelizing? I think the church needs to take the plank out of its own eye first.
I'm sorry Bishop, love you, think you are doing your best but I have real issues with your position here.
One thing for certain I have seen in my own experiences regarding whenever I leave a parish when moving out of town, is that I never get asked why? They just assume I'm going to join another parish. Maybe that's okay, but I never hear, "oh I'm sorry we are loosing you and God Bless you on your journey..." or something to that effect. And conversely, I never seem to get welcomed when I come into a new church community and in fact these days I get more scrutinized..." please provide your birth certificate and the reasons why you want to be in our parish and of course you will be supporting our parish financially..." So the church has got to teach our priests to be more "hospitable" in the least. And for God's sake I'm 61 years old and you need me to send you a birth certifcate? In other words I come to your doorstep and say I'm Catholic isn't good enough for an older "white guy" that's clean shaven, wearing a sport coat, dress shirt, dress pants, and clean shoes, and speaks with respect for your office and ministry... isn't good enough? I cannot even imagine what my parents would think to see how far we've drifted from Reason alone, much more in Faith and Religion.
Too much about things bad, healthy not good, church i miss it, catholic I am. And about the NONEs, mass is boring! I know I know. I see it that way too. I do miss the old gone kapoot and I must obey. I miss going to church. I attend church online. Once a month I take a long ride by taxi for communion (Saturdays). It's such a treat for me. God Bless America. Oh boy! you guys need it.
I was confirmed at our lady of the skies as Sebastian in 2004 and I've pretty much spent the next 15 years away from the church; that is right up until about the end of 2021.
Maybe something about my youthful Wonder dissipated and I looked at the world without the lens of Hope with reckless abandon and I realized the wickedness of people and as i really look at it, I realized that certain tribes of people are actually, actively doing everything they can to solicit wickedness within you. When I realized this I was overcome with an emanation from somewhere knowing again that Christ is King of Kings, and these movements that are pushing kids into sin are doing so because they are afraid of Christ.
From about 20 to about 33, those years weren't angry at God I just wasn't respecting the relationship with him, and as I look back I can see almost all of my shame and failures come from that essentialism. "I'll just be here with myself, i don't need god with me, he can worry about the others folks out there I'll be fine." Dumb arrogant bonehead move.
I've been wondering this too, how do you appeal to the youth, how do you make Christ seem cool?
I don't think you're going to like the answer father, but it's honestly so simple. I'll tell you that it has a lot to do with the people in charge of Hollywood, the people in charge of banking and finance, the people in charge of pornography, and the people in charge of lobbyists in DC; all of the people orchestrating a converging divide between people and Christ and every level of society. It's hard to fight an enemy you never name.
What do kids like? Well let's just take a look at what the most popular television series have been for the last 20 years okay? Breaking bad, game of thrones... It's all coherent cogent shock and awe.
It's hard to get people to think an idea is cool if there isn't a lot of passion behind it. We lose kids because we tell them not to like rap music and not to like nudity, not to like degeneracy but we never tell them who are the people who craft these elements, and kids interpret that as you're just old and boring and these things are new and exciting.
If you want kids you need to make lessons exciting.
When you point out how instrumental Israel is in the decline of Western Civilization (kids like it when you tell the truth about something you're not supposed to talk about), that stirs a reaction in young people. Someone just told a naughty truth. That person's interesting.
All of this beating around the bush and tire kicking the degeneracy of society is the impetus for why the youth isn't involved. They're looking for material truth because no one's providing them with a spiritual or cultural one pertinent to their life and their struggles, imho.
Christs interaction with the money changers at the temple is emblematic to what I'm talking about. What a rockstar. Kids love that, maybe what Catholicism needs are more rock stars willing to name degeneracy, the institutions the industries and the tribes of people who are inspiring it. It's uncomfortable but I think you'd be surprised at how badly this conversation needs to be had, and further how it resonates in young people.
Seen in London, England. Thanks a lot. God bless. PS: Will look out for Bishop Barron's contribution to the Unbelievable Sat 15th May 2021 UK online conference led by N T Wright.
Being a catechism teacher. Many places do not have a formal religious education programs any longer. When the children came for their first communion or confirmation classes…they are not prepared in the basic Catholic faith/beliefs. If we don’t keep them in regular classes, we will lose them.
I also feel that the priests should go out to those who are in a struggle, but they don’t. That has always been a disappointment to me. I have seen members in struggles, I have suggested for our priest to go see them but, so far they haven’t. I also feel our priests should be reaching out to those who have left. I have reached out to many of them, but they are waiting for the priest to inquire with them.
When I was young, the priest spent many dinners at our home.
Now our priests are so stretched over so many communities, that even when we have invited our priests and bishop for dinners they have had to cancel for work or emergence’s. I have invited say 5 times and have been able to make once. So, there are a number of concerns for us up in the far North.
... beauty is the splendour of formal order in truth ordered to the good.
Father you are one that must be responsible along with many other bishops only a few have spoken the truth you are the problem not the children
Bishop Robert 'Fulton' Barron
I don't think that Barron, will be too keen to be associated with Sheen. I suggest that you read why his beatification has been permanently suspended.
I Love origen and Gregory!!!
I really agree about the lack of rigor in religious education. When I went to high school (1990s) at a pretty good Catholic high school, honors courses were offered in every subject... except religion. And the religion textbooks were fluffy little things teaching ideas such as "Compassion is caring plus sharing" or asking questions like "The morality of nuclear war: What's your opinion?" (Or even using terminology like "BCE" rather than "BC".) Very strange. I'd love to know the rationale in Catholic education circles for this policy. It would be fabulous (I think) if the many intellectually-compelling religious works could be presented instead.
Is right Your Grace, how to engcorish young people never leave in the church, community must care each other, and parents olso must engcorish them and prayer for them, so the faith be more, stronger...that i do with my 3 children all teenager, so am so grateful they grow up with in church, and kisd join with youth community....every day prayer rosary, Divine mercy to ask mother to protact them from the evil spirit,...
Robert Barron provides here a thoughtful and candid exposition of the ongoing secular decline in America of affiliation with religion in general and the Catholic church in particular. He gets to the true heart of the matter when he identifies and emphasizes as the overwhelmingly most important reason the simply “ceasing to believe” by many of the supernatural claims that are the key tenets of the Catholic church and its doctrines. He lays out several plausible causes for this, including the greater persuasiveness of explanations offered by the natural sciences and the increasing willingness of the culture to affirm and validate the desire for individual self-determination. There is, however, an additional contributing dynamic that, I believe, Robert Barron overlooked or failed to consider.
In charting the rise of religious disaffiliation in modern America, Robert Barron starts in 1972, a time that he identifies as one when only 3% of those polled identified as religious non-believers or as unaffiliated. As a 17-year-old in 1972, I was one of those 3%. It was quite common back then for non-believers to be told that their failure to believe in supernatural claims reflected an essential immorality, and that they were therefore less worthy as individuals and as members of society. This often led to estrangement from family and social circles begun in childhood. The low regard for the non-believer was widely shared by many of Robert Barron’s institutional counterparts from that generation; sadly, on occasion, these Church authorities of an earlier generation used the prestige of their offices to disparage the character of non-believers in the eyes of their fellow citizens.
Today, thankfully, it is much more widely accepted and recognized that an individual’s moral quality and willingness to contribute meaningfully to humanity does not depend on belief in supernatural claims. Indeed, and to his great credit, Robert Barron has used this very platform, in his capacity as an eloquent and erudite officer of the Catholic church, to make the case that the late Christopher Hitchens - who was an adversary to the end - should be recognized as a profoundly moral individual. In my own immediate experience, I see that even the most religiously devout parents are much less likely today to disown, or become estranged from, their non-believing children than was the case in earlier generations. In short, a maturing young person today, when beginning to have doubts about the supernatural claims heard since childhood, is much less likely to be facing a fear of estrangement or of becoming a member of a despised minority. Surely, this also contributes to the evolving dynamic that Robert Barron so capably presented in the first third of the video.