2:07 to be fair, you could argue. Connor’s reaction was more of a “OK that’s the story we’re going with“ kind of acknowledgment. Like it took a moment to process that that is the cover story they are going for when people ask why they already knew each other
Peter definitely felt weaker in the story, but I think it was because of a combination of the enemies becoming more powerful and Peter not giving himself time to rest and recover after the events of the first game I mean this guy had several bones broken and continues to be Spider-Man for all that time. Something tells me he probably isn’t working at full capacity. At least until the Symbiote heals his body.
Wouldn’t it make more sense for Norman Osborn to hire taskmaster? That way he can study Spider-Man’s moves to create tech to counter them. Then when we finally get Green Goblin he will be an even match for a Spider-Man with 10+ years of experience
There's also the fact that the Spider that bit Miles was a genetically engineered spider to not only recreate the effects of creating Spider-Man, but creating a stronger version. In the Penthouse mission, MJ mentions how Oscorp figured out it was one of their spiders that created Spider-Man, so they then started to try and recreate it, but better.
Pete’s landlord knowing that he is Spider-Man is really funny. When I first saw the video title I thought you were gonna make an Arkham, Insomniac connection.
I like the nerfed theory a lot, it would make sense (maybe I’m coping) but it’s also like in Sam Raimi’s Spiderman 2 when Peter has to give up being spiderman cuz his mental
I think that somehow Spider-Man discovered his parents were SHIELD agents, not Peter. That would explain why he can't tell because that could expose his identity
peter getting his ass kicked by kraven sandman scream and venom makes sense since he only went against enhanced humans in the first game and hurt his hand by punching shocker
I think that Peter misjudged the punch, and simply didn't hit Shocker as hard as he should have (remember that afterwards during the fight, Spidey mops the floor with Shocker). The same thing happens with Kraven, as he thought Kraven would just be some big guy. He then got surprised, as he did in the first game and realised he misjudged again, but by that time he was unlucky enough to get stabbed by him.
I don’t feel Peter was nerfed whatsoever, he saved miles a couple of times & miles saved Peter a few times, that’s just a staple of a dual protagonists game, they’ll often put the heroes in situations where they need to rely on each other here & there.
I do think that he wasn't working at full capacity here due to his mental issues. Someone once made the analogy to a star football player that always scores and such. That same player's mom dies right before a game, and then the player just starts messing up during the game. I felt like the same was happening to Peter. He wasn't nerfed, he was struggling mentally, which affected his overall performance. This then caused him to lean more and more into the symbiote, like a strength-enhancing drug. Other than that, it's as you mentioned. But I also think that someone like Kraven was just a better tactician, and Spidey has misjudged a punch in the past (He misjudged how hard he should punch Shocker, then got hit after), it's just that this time he was unlucky enough to get stabbed because he genuinely thought Kraven would just be some regular beefy guy. And then the rest of his villains aren't exactly slouches either. I mean, Sandman apparently got a major power boost, according to Miles and Peter.
@ I can agree with that, he might not have been working at full capacity due to the issue of feeling like he failed aunt may, that’s different though then being nerfed, also the football analogy is slightly off cause in most cases when an athlete loses a loved one they play better then ever, like they’re playing that game for who passed away, that’s happened time & time again.
@GothamPaladin thats awesome to hear! And yeah of course, I love all your stuff so 100% support for everything you do! Also, I can't lie, that was a comeback for the record books lol
Heres a fun fact/ theory: Insom Spideys Comic counterpart is Not canon to The games, but more interestingly Game Spidey is a B varient of Comic Spidey. What a varient is is kind of unclear, but in ATSV, its said that different Universes have different Varients. This is there to probably explain how there are 2 Spider Societies that havent met yet. I havent personally read all the comics myself, but the easiest way to debunk them being the same universe is that Comic Spidey says there are only 6 heroes in his world. The heroes being the Avengers. If we go by traditional avengers line ups, Best case scenario is where he isnt counting black widow and Hawkeye as heroes, which not only makes no sense but there are more than 6 confirmed heroes in Insoms universe List from the top of my head: Captain America Iron Man Black Panther Daredevil - Peter knows he exists Dr strange - Peter MIGHT know him Wolverine - his suit is shown in leaks The avengers exist , which could mean Hulk Ant man Hawkeye Thor Black widow The FF is confirmed so Sue Johnny Ben Reed Which is already over 6. The defenders might be around because Jessica is Peters age and this means they've gone through the stuff in the 8 years since. Iron fist is confirmed to be around though
I very much got the sense the symbiote was something that bonded to Harry forcefully via Norman and Kurt's experiments to save his life, typically the symbiotes are drawn to powerful negative emotions which is why it bonds so well with the anger of Eddie Brock or bitterness of Peter, etc. When Harry cam directly in contact with Peter the symbiote IMMEDIATELY tried bonding but only got so far as copying the spider logo due to the brief connection, the symbiote caught the scent of Peter's grief and frustration and it wanted to go to him, and then when it bonds with Harry once more all the stewing negative emotions manifest in a primal form due to Harry's pure rage and spite. Also regarding Carnage, my guess is they use him as a smaller antagonist that starts the first third or so of the game like Mr.Negative, then Peter loses the Anti Venom suit, this is when Norman decides to go Goblin to get the upper hand and team up with Ock to finally kill Spider Man. Or use Ock as a patsy before going Goblin as a last ditch effort.
GP to me respectfully I really dont think he is nerfed, at least the way people think so, peter being thrown around like a ragdoll is completely normal for peter parker, especially with insomniacs version, peter is known for getting beat up and always getting up, which is exactly what insomniac peter does almost everytime, and he has the anti venom suit, far more powerful than he was in sm1. But you can argue peter wasn't mentally in a right place, which is true, but the people saying he was nerfed because they wanted to make Miles look good is kinda ridiculous, there completely ignoring the stiry reasons, amd him having help is perfectly normal for insomniac peter.
@@jeremy144713 yeah venom game after Tony Todd died? The game prolly getting scrapped expecially after insomniac getting hacked and ruining all chances of a spiderman 2 dlc we finna wait till 2028 for spiderman 3 so have fun playing the venom game in your dreams cause tony Todd don’t recording anymore voice lines
Awesome video🔥thank you for making this. I definitely liked your theory about why Peter was nerfed. Personally besides of what you said I think one reason Peter was nerfed was because of how overjoyed he was because he got Harry back that made him lose focus sometimes, like he was always thinking about his future and the things he will do in Emily May foundation . That just one idea though.
My version of the venom being created by peter theory is that venom did exist within the symbiote, but because Harry was so light-hearted, joyful and excited, it couldn't really 'take over'. that's why when harry is agent venom there's many times when the symbiote tries to latch onto peter. it can sense the power he has, and when it finally attaches to him, then it starts to be able to take over. Then when peter takes it off it still has all the power it got from him, and add that on to an angry, sick, vengeful guy like harry is at the time, you got yourself a venom.
I agree with the nerf theory cuz spider mans powers work better when he’s calm but when he’s still stressed about aunt Mays death, the mortgage, and he is also training a new spider man that’s gonna take a toll on someone
Venom, symbiotes in general, are emotional parasites. Harry is a meek person, his emotional world is more contained and not as impassioned as Peter. Peter has a lot of weight and power, and responsibility to himself, his friends, his city, his community, a lot of grief. He's emotional and dramatic and he spreads himself too thin. He's intellectually engaged, but he is not a zen man, and he is the perfect host for a creature that feeds on swirling negative thoughts. The "Venom" symbiote was always Venom, it just lay dormant on a dormant host until it met a host more suited to its needs.
From what I heard of what we learn of the symbiote in the comics, you might be right about the Venom theory. I heard this theory before. I didn't read the comics, so I don't know for sure, but another video I watched said that in the comics it's revealed that the Venom symbiote was not always aggressive and only learned that from being bonded with a psychopath on another planet before coming to Earth. Symbiotes are not born evil, they learn based on who they get bonded to and carry those traits forward. It's possible that in the Insomniac universe, the symbiote was fine when it was first bonded with Harry but picked up all these negative traits from Peter. I really like this theory. I like your last idea too. I also hope they don't keep the Anti-Venom suit. I think it could happen in this Venom game I keep hearing about. My theory has been that Insomniac had two potential scenarios for Carnage: either DLC or a Venom game based on the response to that Venom mission in Spider-man 2. Since people starting begging for a Venom game after playing that, my theory is that they went with that instead of DLC. Peter with the Anti-Venom suit could show up in that and maybe he could use it up to beat Carnage like you said. Or, more likely in my opinion, it'll be to defeat Knull. I predict Carnage will be in the Venom game, but not the main baddie. It'll be Knull. He has already been teased in Spider-man 2 as well since his symbol was on the meteorite. At any rate, I hope Carnage is not in Spider-man 3. I personally do not want any symbiotes to be apart of that game. I feel it'll distract from the Goblin storyline too much and plus we've had enough symbiotes in Spider-man games to last us for a while. It's better handled in a Venom game I think.
I love the theory of Peter's mental state connects to the Symbiote. It's a lore thing that the Symbiote doesn't turn people dark or evil; it helps you embrace and let out deeper, unhealthy emotions. Venom as a character is the embodiment of Peter's toxic emotions, all the mistakes he made when having the Symbiote. Even Insomniac said the Symbiote is an allegory for drug addiction.
Another thing with Iron Man VR, one of the loading screen trivia mentions that Oscorp was founded by Norman Osborn AND Otto Octavius, which to my knowledge that only happens in the Insomniac continuity. So another point to them being connected
I feel like Peter was more nerfed because of the reasons you mention but also he probably developed a reliance on the help Miles gives him, he trusts Miles after the events of SM:MM to do quite a lot, so him being more easily knocked about could be him being too relaxed from having help all the time
I mean, canonically, the symbiote is influenced by the host as much as the host is by the symbiote. In the comics, the Venom symbiote is only as maniacal as it is because at some point in its past, it bonded with Deadpool, and that broke its mind.
Wish they progressed Lizard arc, allow already Connors to transform back to human with hand intact - then make him have ability to freely go in/out of Lizard form but slowly his 'Mr Hyde' overtaking both of his bodies, story would be great.
I think the symbiote changes depending on what your goal is like Peter he wanted to be efficient so he had quick moves harry (before) was thinking about his friends and change harry (after) wanted control so he was strong and could control people by changing them + he is big to show strength and power
I'm of two minds when it comes to the Anti-Venom Suit's fate. One is that if that Venom game is real, he will lose it there fighting Carnage, as you predicted. The other thought is that they could bring back suit powers in the next game as they had with Spider-Man PS4 and have the symbiote rage as a suit power. That one is a stretch, I know, but I think that could please both sides of the argument.
If we all had to take a shot every time Peter almost died or thrown into something hitting his back, some would be passed out on the floor. I was waiting for the perfect Tobey Easter Egg and say ‘my back’ at the end to MJ. This was not the Peter that took down the S6 in the first. The theory with Aunt May would’ve been a great explanation for him not being on top of his game. The fact he thinks Anti Venom or the Venom Symbiote makes him a ‘better Spider-Man’ is uncharacteristic of Peter we know
Pretty sure the reason why Peter felt nerfed cuz miles is canonically more powerful than him. I saw that somewhere but idk how true that is. I'd say he wasn't nerfed, miles just had a more OP moveset. That's just what I think tho
I'm pretty sure Kraven hired Taskmaster 1. Kraven is rich so he can pay for all of his and the hunters gear and Taskmaster mentions "they" pay six figures 2. Taskmaster says "never hold back" which Kraven says during the "Anything Can Be Broken" mission
Many people believe Black Cat didn't actually have a girlfriend, but that "Thank you" to Miles sounded pretty sincere to me, not at all like "Because if I don't.... They'll kill my son 😐."
I know the devs have said they have nothing planned for SM2 DLC....however, it's not going to surprise me if the devs do what Santa Monica did with the Vallaha DLC for GOWR....or they could make a SM2.5(A Directors Cut)....they havent said no to adding more suits... I have some ideas.... A Legacy Suit Pack of all remaining suits from the first two games.... 1 Yr Anniversary Suit Pack that includes a hoodie version of the evolved suit, ultimate spider-man(1610 and 6160), ben reily's sensational suit, 2099 ACTSV Suit for Peter, Prowler Earth 42 ACTSV Suit for Miles, Spider-Cop(both for Peter and Miles), a Prowler themed outfit, as with a Mysterio themed outfit for Peter...maybe even Daily Bugle/Sinister Six inspired suits for Peter and Miles....heck I'd love to see some Symbiote outfits too...and even more weather options/Symbiote aggressive dialogue/web wings/tendril color changes... Story DLC? Carnage, Hydro-Man, Beetle, Chameleon, Silvermane, Taskmaster, Black Cat, (interactions with Symbiote Spidey, maybe a new version of the Sinister Six and seeing Venom in his own story expansion....
Some Landlords have property managers. His former landlord may not have even been in Peter’s apartment. The X on the mansion/hospital could be from the fire cult marking their territory.
even with the symbiote Peter was kicked around. the theory basically isn't a theory it just kinda seems to be the case lol. but Pete getting his ass kicked even with the symbiote is pretty ridiculous
23:44 see I never understood the hate towards the Anti-venom suit It’s far from the Spider-Man you’re used to ? Knowing Peter he will be just using it in extreme cases like it ain’t that big of a deal if he kept it Specially that Miles got a power up Hell in the comics Ghost spider (spider-Gwen) got a power up So why not Peter too ? At least for this adaptation let him have this power up
The whole Dr Connors theory makes sense that he knows but doesn't show it. I mean think about it, in normal 1-1 conversation you arent saying the other persons name all the time unless you want to make a point. Connors doesn't need to if he knows it and its a subtle detail your mind doesn't pick up on BECAUSE that's more natural to us.
I'm still confused with the carnage symbiote still existing since Peter ,miles , mj took care of the entire symbiotes in the end of the game shouldn't the one Cletus have disappear as well it doesn't make sense.
The mask coming off in the scene with Connors is just failed continuity in writing. The intention was for Peter to have his face showing when he ran into Harry, obviously it was scripted that he would run into Harry instead and never be seen by Connors and for whatever reason Insomniac wanted that scene to be face to face without the mask. In conclusion Connors doesn't know Peter's identity
Dude if you've ever read an x-men comic or even saw the first movie you'd know your description is literally the M.O. of the stories of any and every x-men comic mutants have ALWAYS been hated, outcasts, and in hiding because of humans.
That's literally Venom's origin... some times... Speaking of Venom, RIP Tony Todd, born a year before Kevin Conroy Edit, I heard somewhere that Anti-Venom is a permanent bond to it's host so to get rid of it you'd have to kill him
The insomniac games are great, but I wish sm2 was just better, so much missed opportunity, the gamplay was done so well, but there shoudve been way more to the story and the side missions were just meh, and no dlc is just a bummer. But some of the complaints people make for sm2 is just ridiculous.
Bud. I respectfully disagree with that comment. This game didn't feel like a missed opportunity and the plot may not reach the best of SM1. But it definitely had a better story and execution compared to Tom Hardys Venom movies, the 90 percent of the post Endgame Mcu movies and Spider-man 3.
There's a Venom solo game that was supposed to be 2025 to do the Carnage stuff, but with the Insomniac hack and passing of Tony Todd, I don't know if it's gonna happen.
Peter was nerfed due to the writing for some forsaken reason has to ALWAYS have a teammate or work with another character. Whether that be miles, Harry or Mj. Spidey is rarely on a team in the comics, people will defend the horrible writing in Spider-Man 2 tho. They had us shooting bees in a Spider-Man game….
You know this is an adaptation, just because Peter needs help don't mean that's bad writing, things will be different between versions of the character, and if your gonna complain about oeter having help in sm2, then you also have to complain about it in sm1, with Miles peter woudve been burned to a crisp
@ the flaws of SP1 are outshined by the amount of good character moments and competent writing. Peter was against the sinister 6, a personal mentor who turned evil and aunt May’s health to deal with and miles stepping up to be the hero he was always meant to be in the moments when Peter could Nade sense and more importantly felt EARNED. Why is miles fighting venom in sp2 again??
@@Carlisle-mn3fv dude your completely ignoring the story reasons, peter wasn't mentally in a right place, and peter being thrown around is completely normal for the character, and him always getting back up, which is what happens to insom peter
Rip Tony Todd
Facts 2024 is a cruel beast
Who is he?
@@ianbra7593 He was the voice of Venom in Spider-Man 2.
still remember when he played zoom in the flash. fly high, tony! 🕊️
2:07 to be fair, you could argue. Connor’s reaction was more of a “OK that’s the story we’re going with“ kind of acknowledgment. Like it took a moment to process that that is the cover story they are going for when people ask why they already knew each other
Peter definitely felt weaker in the story, but I think it was because of a combination of the enemies becoming more powerful and Peter not giving himself time to rest and recover after the events of the first game
I mean this guy had several bones broken and continues to be Spider-Man for all that time. Something tells me he probably isn’t working at full capacity. At least until the Symbiote heals his body.
It's weird first spiderman channels started to cover batman, now batman channels cover spiderman
It’s hard to make superhero videos for a long time without it being repetitive
Wouldn’t it make more sense for Norman Osborn to hire taskmaster? That way he can study Spider-Man’s moves to create tech to counter them. Then when we finally get Green Goblin he will be an even match for a Spider-Man with 10+ years of experience
well he doesn't have a reason to at that point
There's also the fact that the Spider that bit Miles was a genetically engineered spider to not only recreate the effects of creating Spider-Man, but creating a stronger version. In the Penthouse mission, MJ mentions how Oscorp figured out it was one of their spiders that created Spider-Man, so they then started to try and recreate it, but better.
Pete’s landlord knowing that he is Spider-Man is really funny. When I first saw the video title I thought you were gonna make an Arkham, Insomniac connection.
I like the nerfed theory a lot, it would make sense (maybe I’m coping) but it’s also like in Sam Raimi’s Spiderman 2 when Peter has to give up being spiderman cuz his mental
I think that somehow Spider-Man discovered his parents were SHIELD agents, not Peter. That would explain why he can't tell because that could expose his identity
R.I.P Tony Todd, you were amazing as Candy Man all that time ago, and sensational as Venom in SM2
Insomniac should make their own Marvel games universe at this point
They are with Wolverine being in the same universe! Hope they can keep going, I love the games
peter getting his ass kicked by kraven sandman scream and venom makes sense since he only went against enhanced humans in the first game and hurt his hand by punching shocker
I think that Peter misjudged the punch, and simply didn't hit Shocker as hard as he should have (remember that afterwards during the fight, Spidey mops the floor with Shocker). The same thing happens with Kraven, as he thought Kraven would just be some big guy. He then got surprised, as he did in the first game and realised he misjudged again, but by that time he was unlucky enough to get stabbed by him.
Plus they’re 4 very very strong foes especially in this game
I don’t feel Peter was nerfed whatsoever, he saved miles a couple of times & miles saved Peter a few times, that’s just a staple of a dual protagonists game, they’ll often put the heroes in situations where they need to rely on each other here & there.
you’re right. the spider chuds just needed something to complain about
I do think that he wasn't working at full capacity here due to his mental issues. Someone once made the analogy to a star football player that always scores and such. That same player's mom dies right before a game, and then the player just starts messing up during the game. I felt like the same was happening to Peter. He wasn't nerfed, he was struggling mentally, which affected his overall performance. This then caused him to lean more and more into the symbiote, like a strength-enhancing drug.
Other than that, it's as you mentioned.
But I also think that someone like Kraven was just a better tactician, and Spidey has misjudged a punch in the past (He misjudged how hard he should punch Shocker, then got hit after), it's just that this time he was unlucky enough to get stabbed because he genuinely thought Kraven would just be some regular beefy guy. And then the rest of his villains aren't exactly slouches either. I mean, Sandman apparently got a major power boost, according to Miles and Peter.
@ I can agree with that, he might not have been working at full capacity due to the issue of feeling like he failed aunt may, that’s different though then being nerfed, also the football analogy is slightly off cause in most cases when an athlete loses a loved one they play better then ever, like they’re playing that game for who passed away, that’s happened time & time again.
Love the Video man! Also happy to see you branching out, I hope you had fun with something a bit different cuz I definitely enjoyed watching!
@@TheDeviousYodeler Hey dude! Wanted to say I saw your chats after the smash bros tournament with my friends haha, appreciate the support dude 🤝
@GothamPaladin thats awesome to hear! And yeah of course, I love all your stuff so 100% support for everything you do! Also, I can't lie, that was a comeback for the record books lol
Rest in peace Mr Todd. You will be missed greatly 💔
The reason why I think Peter was nerfed because he’s getting older or just like you say because of aunt may
Heres a fun fact/ theory:
Insom Spideys Comic counterpart is Not canon to The games, but more interestingly Game Spidey is a B varient of Comic Spidey. What a varient is is kind of unclear, but in ATSV, its said that different Universes have different Varients. This is there to probably explain how there are 2 Spider Societies that havent met yet. I havent personally read all the comics myself, but the easiest way to debunk them being the same universe is that Comic Spidey says there are only 6 heroes in his world. The heroes being the Avengers. If we go by traditional avengers line ups, Best case scenario is where he isnt counting black widow and Hawkeye as heroes, which not only makes no sense but there are more than 6 confirmed heroes in Insoms universe
List from the top of my head:
Captain America
Iron Man
Black Panther
Daredevil - Peter knows he exists
Dr strange - Peter MIGHT know him
Wolverine - his suit is shown in leaks
The avengers exist , which could mean
Hulk
Ant man
Hawkeye
Thor
Black widow
The FF is confirmed so
Sue
Johnny
Ben
Reed
Which is already over 6.
The defenders might be around because Jessica is Peters age and this means they've gone through the stuff in the 8 years since. Iron fist is confirmed to be around though
Why spider-man would take off his mask there are probably cams a lot of cams
Right❗️
I very much got the sense the symbiote was something that bonded to Harry forcefully via Norman and Kurt's experiments to save his life, typically the symbiotes are drawn to powerful negative emotions which is why it bonds so well with the anger of Eddie Brock or bitterness of Peter, etc. When Harry cam directly in contact with Peter the symbiote IMMEDIATELY tried bonding but only got so far as copying the spider logo due to the brief connection, the symbiote caught the scent of Peter's grief and frustration and it wanted to go to him, and then when it bonds with Harry once more all the stewing negative emotions manifest in a primal form due to Harry's pure rage and spite.
Also regarding Carnage, my guess is they use him as a smaller antagonist that starts the first third or so of the game like Mr.Negative, then Peter loses the Anti Venom suit, this is when Norman decides to go Goblin to get the upper hand and team up with Ock to finally kill Spider Man. Or use Ock as a patsy before going Goblin as a last ditch effort.
GP to me respectfully I really dont think he is nerfed, at least the way people think so, peter being thrown around like a ragdoll is completely normal for peter parker, especially with insomniacs version, peter is known for getting beat up and always getting up, which is exactly what insomniac peter does almost everytime, and he has the anti venom suit, far more powerful than he was in sm1. But you can argue peter wasn't mentally in a right place, which is true, but the people saying he was nerfed because they wanted to make Miles look good is kinda ridiculous, there completely ignoring the stiry reasons, amd him having help is perfectly normal for insomniac peter.
Nah he definitely was nerfed
@@StarvingAndHunger so just gonna ignore what I said......ok
I wouldn’t be surprised if carnage is the first set piece of the third game (Similar to sandman)
That, or they surprise us with DLC which is unlikely or the main villain for the rumored venom game
@@jeremy144713keep dreaming
@@pathanos2662 to which lol DLC I am dreaming. But there’s been rumors of a venom game for a while so idk.
@@jeremy144713 yeah venom game after Tony Todd died? The game prolly getting scrapped expecially after insomniac getting hacked and ruining all chances of a spiderman 2 dlc we finna wait till 2028 for spiderman 3 so have fun playing the venom game in your dreams cause tony Todd don’t recording anymore voice lines
@@jeremy144713 it's highly unlikely we'll get DLC for Marvel's Spider-Man 2
Awesome video🔥thank you for making this. I definitely liked your theory about why Peter was nerfed. Personally besides of what you said I think one reason Peter was nerfed was because of how overjoyed he was because he got Harry back that made him lose focus sometimes, like he was always thinking about his future and the things he will do in Emily May foundation . That just one idea though.
My version of the venom being created by peter theory is that venom did exist within the symbiote, but because Harry was so light-hearted, joyful and excited, it couldn't really 'take over'. that's why when harry is agent venom there's many times when the symbiote tries to latch onto peter. it can sense the power he has, and when it finally attaches to him, then it starts to be able to take over. Then when peter takes it off it still has all the power it got from him, and add that on to an angry, sick, vengeful guy like harry is at the time, you got yourself a venom.
I agree with the nerf theory cuz spider mans powers work better when he’s calm but when he’s still stressed about aunt Mays death, the mortgage, and he is also training a new spider man that’s gonna take a toll on someone
Don't even need to wacth to know this is gonna be another 🔥 theory vid.
Venom, symbiotes in general, are emotional parasites. Harry is a meek person, his emotional world is more contained and not as impassioned as Peter.
Peter has a lot of weight and power, and responsibility to himself, his friends, his city, his community, a lot of grief. He's emotional and dramatic and he spreads himself too thin. He's intellectually engaged, but he is not a zen man, and he is the perfect host for a creature that feeds on swirling negative thoughts. The "Venom" symbiote was always Venom, it just lay dormant on a dormant host until it met a host more suited to its needs.
The landlord theory is pretty interesting 🤔
From what I heard of what we learn of the symbiote in the comics, you might be right about the Venom theory. I heard this theory before. I didn't read the comics, so I don't know for sure, but another video I watched said that in the comics it's revealed that the Venom symbiote was not always aggressive and only learned that from being bonded with a psychopath on another planet before coming to Earth. Symbiotes are not born evil, they learn based on who they get bonded to and carry those traits forward. It's possible that in the Insomniac universe, the symbiote was fine when it was first bonded with Harry but picked up all these negative traits from Peter. I really like this theory.
I like your last idea too. I also hope they don't keep the Anti-Venom suit. I think it could happen in this Venom game I keep hearing about. My theory has been that Insomniac had two potential scenarios for Carnage: either DLC or a Venom game based on the response to that Venom mission in Spider-man 2. Since people starting begging for a Venom game after playing that, my theory is that they went with that instead of DLC. Peter with the Anti-Venom suit could show up in that and maybe he could use it up to beat Carnage like you said. Or, more likely in my opinion, it'll be to defeat Knull. I predict Carnage will be in the Venom game, but not the main baddie. It'll be Knull. He has already been teased in Spider-man 2 as well since his symbol was on the meteorite.
At any rate, I hope Carnage is not in Spider-man 3. I personally do not want any symbiotes to be apart of that game. I feel it'll distract from the Goblin storyline too much and plus we've had enough symbiotes in Spider-man games to last us for a while. It's better handled in a Venom game I think.
R.I.P Tony Todd
Such a great actor
WAIT TONY TODD DIED? HOW DIDN'T I HEAR ABOUT THIS!? Probably because of election but come on! I loved that guy..
I love the theory of Peter's mental state connects to the Symbiote. It's a lore thing that the Symbiote doesn't turn people dark or evil; it helps you embrace and let out deeper, unhealthy emotions. Venom as a character is the embodiment of Peter's toxic emotions, all the mistakes he made when having the Symbiote. Even Insomniac said the Symbiote is an allegory for drug addiction.
Another thing with Iron Man VR, one of the loading screen trivia mentions that Oscorp was founded by Norman Osborn AND Otto Octavius, which to my knowledge that only happens in the Insomniac continuity. So another point to them being connected
Personally i believe Taskmaster was trying to recruit Spider-Man into this version of the Thunderbolts
I feel like Peter was more nerfed because of the reasons you mention but also he probably developed a reliance on the help Miles gives him, he trusts Miles after the events of SM:MM to do quite a lot, so him being more easily knocked about could be him being too relaxed from having help all the time
I mean, canonically, the symbiote is influenced by the host as much as the host is by the symbiote. In the comics, the Venom symbiote is only as maniacal as it is because at some point in its past, it bonded with Deadpool, and that broke its mind.
"oh hey gotham pala-"
"OH NOOOOO"
Rip Tony Todd. An amazing Zoom from the flash (the voice) and an amazing Venom
I wanna say I agree Peter is definitely distracted, and nerfed probably a little bit because of the distraction, but I’m not sure
Wish they progressed Lizard arc, allow already Connors to transform back to human with hand intact - then make him have ability to freely go in/out of Lizard form but slowly his 'Mr Hyde' overtaking both of his bodies, story would be great.
The Gaming Rift made an entire video explaining very well why Peter was NOT nerfed.
I think the symbiote changes depending on what your goal is like Peter he wanted to be efficient so he had quick moves harry (before) was thinking about his friends and change harry (after) wanted control so he was strong and could control people by changing them + he is big to show strength and power
Ooo love this glad to see some spiderman on the channel
The only reason miles got a chance to take down venom was because Peter did the hard work for him.
Bro somehow kept the gory aspect of the arkham videos, and i dig it
I'm of two minds when it comes to the Anti-Venom Suit's fate. One is that if that Venom game is real, he will lose it there fighting Carnage, as you predicted. The other thought is that they could bring back suit powers in the next game as they had with Spider-Man PS4 and have the symbiote rage as a suit power. That one is a stretch, I know, but I think that could please both sides of the argument.
I was thinking of Norman Osborn
a good way to lose the anti-venom suit is to make Peter stop using it because he's experimenting on it to try and use it to heal Harry
Rest in Peace Tony Todd you will be miss 😢🙏❤️🕊🕷🕸
R.I.P. Tony Todd. We will remember you 😞❤🩹🕊🕊🕊🕊
Venom zoom dreadwing you will be missed Tony Todd
Candyman
Darkseid
The Fallen
The Coroner
I could go on
but the fact that he had that much to his name is a testament to great life and career
May Tony Todd rest in peace
I was thinking of norman Osborn who hired taskmaster
Peter wasn’t nerfed, he’s fighting much stronger villains
they should change his name to Pete Park for realism
9:22 Then u got harry osborn, a year later, making the whole city filled with symbiotes 😂
If we all had to take a shot every time Peter almost died or thrown into something hitting his back, some would be passed out on the floor. I was waiting for the perfect Tobey Easter Egg and say ‘my back’ at the end to MJ. This was not the Peter that took down the S6 in the first. The theory with Aunt May would’ve been a great explanation for him not being on top of his game. The fact he thinks Anti Venom or the Venom Symbiote makes him a ‘better Spider-Man’ is uncharacteristic of Peter we know
Of course Connor know his identity lol
God Batman and Spider-Man content?!. Say less
Are you New York paladin now
Spider-Man 2 left way too many things unanswered 😢
Pretty sure the reason why Peter felt nerfed cuz miles is canonically more powerful than him. I saw that somewhere but idk how true that is.
I'd say he wasn't nerfed, miles just had a more OP moveset.
That's just what I think tho
R.I.P Tony Todd thank you for everything ❤🙏🕊
What if peter gives the anti symbiote to harry to save his life and at some point Eddie comes back to New York finding the venom symbiote
I'm pretty sure Kraven hired Taskmaster
1. Kraven is rich so he can pay for all of his and the hunters gear and Taskmaster mentions "they" pay six figures
2. Taskmaster says "never hold back" which Kraven says during the "Anything Can Be Broken" mission
Many people believe Black Cat didn't actually have a girlfriend, but that "Thank you" to Miles sounded pretty sincere to me, not at all like "Because if I don't.... They'll kill my son 😐."
I think insomniac just made a mistake with the dr. Connor’s part
I know the devs have said they have nothing planned for SM2 DLC....however, it's not going to surprise me if the devs do what Santa Monica did with the Vallaha DLC for GOWR....or they could make a SM2.5(A Directors Cut)....they havent said no to adding more suits...
I have some ideas....
A Legacy Suit Pack of all remaining suits from the first two games....
1 Yr Anniversary Suit Pack that includes a hoodie version of the evolved suit, ultimate spider-man(1610 and 6160), ben reily's sensational suit, 2099 ACTSV Suit for Peter, Prowler Earth 42 ACTSV Suit for Miles, Spider-Cop(both for Peter and Miles), a Prowler themed outfit, as with a Mysterio themed outfit for Peter...maybe even Daily Bugle/Sinister Six inspired suits for Peter and Miles....heck I'd love to see some Symbiote outfits too...and even more weather options/Symbiote aggressive dialogue/web wings/tendril color changes...
Story DLC? Carnage, Hydro-Man, Beetle, Chameleon, Silvermane, Taskmaster, Black Cat, (interactions with Symbiote Spidey, maybe a new version of the Sinister Six and seeing Venom in his own story expansion....
Some Landlords have property managers. His former landlord may not have even been in Peter’s apartment. The X on the mansion/hospital could be from the fire cult marking their territory.
RIP Tony Todd
even with the symbiote Peter was kicked around. the theory basically isn't a theory it just kinda seems to be the case lol. but Pete getting his ass kicked even with the symbiote is pretty ridiculous
Imagine if this guy made film theories.
23:44 see I never understood the hate towards the Anti-venom suit
It’s far from the Spider-Man you’re used to ?
Knowing Peter he will be just using it in extreme cases like it ain’t that big of a deal if he kept it
Specially that
Miles got a power up
Hell in the comics Ghost spider (spider-Gwen) got a power up
So why not Peter too ?
At least for this adaptation let him have this power up
The whole Dr Connors theory makes sense that he knows but doesn't show it. I mean think about it, in normal 1-1 conversation you arent saying the other persons name all the time unless you want to make a point. Connors doesn't need to if he knows it and its a subtle detail your mind doesn't pick up on BECAUSE that's more natural to us.
Well damn... This video's intro is how I found out that Tony Todd passed away... 💔
20:39 hydra crashed the plane with Peter's parents inside.
Maybe Peter should lose ani-venom for spider-like ability’s
Is there a version of iron man who is sorcerer supreme and fights doctor doom?
I'm still confused with the carnage symbiote still existing since Peter ,miles , mj took care of the entire symbiotes in the end of the game shouldn't the one Cletus have disappear as well it doesn't make sense.
R.I.P Tony Todd
My god your still believing that nerfed crap im so sick of that stupid argument so yeah it is a controversial topic
Great Game RIP TONY TODD 🙏🏿🙏🏿👼🏿
The mask coming off in the scene with Connors is just failed continuity in writing. The intention was for Peter to have his face showing when he ran into Harry, obviously it was scripted that he would run into Harry instead and never be seen by Connors and for whatever reason Insomniac wanted that scene to be face to face without the mask.
In conclusion Connors doesn't know Peter's identity
Dude if you've ever read an x-men comic or even saw the first movie you'd know your description is literally the M.O. of the stories of any and every x-men comic mutants have ALWAYS been hated, outcasts, and in hiding because of humans.
In my opinion 100k subs changed gp he's not the same
15:54 or he could be talking about marc spectre moon knight
That's literally Venom's origin... some times...
Speaking of Venom, RIP Tony Todd, born a year before Kevin Conroy
Edit, I heard somewhere that Anti-Venom is a permanent bond to it's host so to get rid of it you'd have to kill him
Rip tony tod
Tony Todd Venom Rip
BRO WTF idek tony passed💆🏾♂️
Finally
What is carnage and Osborn become one. Like the comics
no way venom died dawg ☹️
💯💯
The Bonus Theory was MINE!
The insomniac games are great, but I wish sm2 was just better, so much missed opportunity, the gamplay was done so well, but there shoudve been way more to the story and the side missions were just meh, and no dlc is just a bummer. But some of the complaints people make for sm2 is just ridiculous.
Bud. I respectfully disagree with that comment. This game didn't feel like a missed opportunity and the plot may not reach the best of SM1.
But it definitely had a better story and execution compared to Tom Hardys Venom movies, the 90 percent of the post Endgame Mcu movies and Spider-man 3.
@@RRai2000 just because it's better than 90% of mcu projects don't mean it didnt have missed opportunity
@dawudabdulali3827 I said "respectfully". I wasn't looking for an argument.
@@RRai2000 I'm being respectful too, what ?
Since when did Tony Todd died?
Afew days ago
Wasn’t that awful Avengers game supposed to be in the same universe as Insomniac’s Spider-Man?
No.
Who's Tony Todd?
Was he The Protagonist?
The voice actor of venom in the game, but he was more known as candy man. Legend
😢😢😢 rip 🪦 tony Todd
There's a Venom solo game that was supposed to be 2025 to do the Carnage stuff, but with the Insomniac hack and passing of Tony Todd, I don't know if it's gonna happen.
Peter was nerfed due to the writing for some forsaken reason has to ALWAYS have a teammate or work with another character. Whether that be miles, Harry or Mj. Spidey is rarely on a team in the comics, people will defend the horrible writing in Spider-Man 2 tho. They had us shooting bees in a Spider-Man game….
You know this is an adaptation, just because Peter needs help don't mean that's bad writing, things will be different between versions of the character, and if your gonna complain about oeter having help in sm2, then you also have to complain about it in sm1, with Miles peter woudve been burned to a crisp
@ the flaws of SP1 are outshined by the amount of good character moments and competent writing. Peter was against the sinister 6, a personal mentor who turned evil and aunt May’s health to deal with and miles stepping up to be the hero he was always meant to be in the moments when Peter could Nade sense and more importantly felt EARNED. Why is miles fighting venom in sp2 again??
Dude that's like saying Batman shount have robin nightwing or batgirl
@@Carlisle-mn3fv dude your completely ignoring the story reasons, peter wasn't mentally in a right place, and peter being thrown around is completely normal for the character, and him always getting back up, which is what happens to insom peter
@@Carlisle-mn3fv and maby edit your comment to be better understood