I love it how you say "suitable for the crusading period" as if you're equipping a fashionable Knight off to conquer Jerusalem. For indeed one simply must have a coordinated ensemble lest one stains ones escutcheon.
Or when you are talking to folks who do a certain type of re-enactment and are looking to complete their kit with authentic / realistic weapons and gear.
I really like how you explain things clearly and concisely. And then you show us new examples based on the museum pieces and first- or second-order sources that you ALSO show us, letting us do out own research as well. And then you top it off by your relaxed, "Guy chatting on his stoop" presentation. - Thank you.
Daggers don't get much love. Everyone is interested in swords. Not everyone carried a sword, but everyone carried a dagger. I have 6 in my collection so far, but I fully intend for that number to grow.
@Marcus Marcus Kult of Athena, Museum Replicas and other stores online carry a wide range of good quality daggers. On Kult of Athena, you can sort by Manufacturer. Tod Cutler daggers are there, although there are not many in stock right now. They don't hang around on the shelves long. The Tod Cutler brand is very good quality work and a great price. If you go to Tod's web store, you can get his higher grade Tod's Workshop knives. Even those are a good value for the price. Just wanted to add. Check the sites regularly as stock can change by the day.
If you're having trouble spelling or finding the Latin titled resources online, they are: "Liber ad honorem Augusti," "Codice del 1028, Enciclopedia di Maurus Rabanus: De Universo: de Repostoriis," and "Maciejowski Bible"
probably the seax, if you are an untrained fighter. in this case most of your blocking/ your parades would be just that: blocking. not as much skill required to do that, and the (compared to the other two) faster pace you could attack with a seax would be helpfull (faster becouse you are 'missing' a guard on the seax) if you are better trained, i guess any of the other two would do. the guard gives you the possibility to parade more effectively (if you know how to use it) and probably even strike for some direct and fast counter-hits instead of having to differentiate between defense and attack. im not very good with daggers, wooden battlestafs are what i trained with most times, so you might want to get some other inofrmation on that. PS: sorry for my bad english/grammar, i've never been good at writing in english
I’m guessing the drop point or broken back is great for chopping and an overall excellent tool/weapon whereas the the other two have the clear use of thrusting. If skilled with a knife or dagger I’d choose the older style with the curled guard but if you are a sneaky git and held a dagger behind your shield and we’re/are good at tying up an opponent’s primary weapon/sword and could drop you shield quickly enough and thrust the more traditional shape is nearly ideal for such purpose. Drop point seems good for me though, because I don’t have 20 years of dedicated sword and knife practice so for me such “weapons” quickly devolve into tools. (I’m actually quite skillful from a modern sense but not foolish enough to think I could defeat a 15th century knight even if he was drunk, already wounded and not yet aware of my first attack).
Clicked this so fast and read it as "crusader era badgers", now I'm imagining badgers with tiny daggers. Anyways, really interesting video as always, Tod!
Works of art and science, my man. And actual insight on the science of research. I could listen to/watch you go on about the history, form, manufacture, and composition of weaponry for an hour. Easily. You might consider a live stream, probably with a narrow subject matter; such as this topic. Q&A, and what not.
Great video! The seax looks like it might have been a tool first and weapon second. Here in Finland we still use bit similar design for cutting smaller trees or branches.
@@FixedWing82 Not really to puukko. Rather some older style "vesuri" that is one type of billhook. The modern ones have hook on the blade side while the old ones sometimes had it on the back side. Couldn't find any example photos online but my family has one. There are also couple modern knifes that might have taken inspiration from seax. You can google Taiter Hukari and Terävä Skrama. But yeah, I might be completely wrong about the similarities. Just had this impression from the first look :)
@@tods_workshop Do you think so? Seax tangs don't seem to me any less robust than those of the khukuri or leuku, which are definitely daily working knives.
@@45calibermedic Most seax finds have minimal wear and tear on the blade, which implies that these blades werent used as tools. Of course there are examples that show the opposite like the baltic "seaxmachetes"
It looks like a broken-back seax also appears in the French manuscript Ms-1186 in Folio 19v from 1225. The illustration shows a thick cylindrical wooden handle without any guard, and an asymmetrical broken-back blade of roughly the same width as the handle, wielded by a man in mail hauberk and chausses typical of the period around 1200.
What might have influenced the design differences? Were these general utility blades that were also used for fighting or primary weapons? The seax looks much more utilitarian to me and the others more weapon like. Am I off base on that?
I can't really comment on the later blades but the Seax, was very much a utilitarian blade but was also a more than capable weapon. Whilst Matt over at Scholagladiatoria has somewhat disputed the comparison, I can't help but think of the Seax as being a Viking era bowie knife.
@@Aconitum_napellus I think that there is a lot of comparison to be made. The sheer length of the points on some broken-back pieces makes it seem ridiculous not to thrust with them. Gripping with the pinky under the butt, as the Saami still do with their Leuku chopping blades, gives you some safety in the thrust and increases your reach, taking advantage of the long grip. The spear point ones seem quite ready to thrust as well. I think that Matt's observation on the usage of Khyber knives is very interesting in terms of showing what a lot of people might do, but I think that the more trained and experienced fighter would use the weapon more fully. www.swordforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62044&d=1171864160
I like that opening. It’s really cool. This whole video was cool. Glad I found this channel. ...Are you still allowed to say cool when you’re in you’re in your 30’s. Screw it, I’m leaving it that way.
Just purchased the quilon dagger (3rd one shown) and I love it. Looks beautiful, feels amazing, nice and sturdy, an all around fantastic dagger of that style. Only thing of note is if you want a sharp edge it is difficult to get with a sharpening stand thing I have. The center is thicker and therefore hits the stone before it can make contact at the edge at the correct angle. I’m sure there’s a way to get around this but not with my resources. The sheath it comes with is fantastic. Nice leather with a metal tip and on the entrance it fits nice and snug all the way in and holds well.
The crusades I suspect would be the worst era to find a standard. If the event was anything like more modern large scale mobilizations any weapon,old , new, or roundly obsolete would have been pressed into service.
I read a book about scandinavian crusaiders and crusaides. the crussaides was in a longer period then I thought and I read about a few I hardly know about. the crusaides in northern Europe was totaly forgoten when read history in school.
Here in northern europe we remember and learn about it still. My ancestors were on the receiving end of swords held by danes, swedes and germans from 1219 to 1227 in Estonia. Last uprising against them was 1343-45. We beat danes at first then but got beaten by teutonic order in the end.
@@exploatores We were no angels either. Sacking and burning of Sigtuna in 1187 -capital city in sweden was most likely our bad. We maintained viking like warrior culture and society until the end of crusades towards us. Lack of central ruling and organisation was our undone.
I am allways supriced by adults that realy belive in the chivalery part. Have they realy read any history. I was more supriced that your ancestors was able to hold their ground for so long. Fighting both the russian and Crusaiders at the same time.
@@exploatores Big forests and swamps always saved us from the total annihilation. We struggled in open ground battles but last ones alive where always sane enough to flee deep into hiding with wives and children so the next generation could survive. This tradition lasted till after IIWW. Last partisan who hid in forest from russians was killed in 1978. He went into hiding in 1945 when russians occupied Estonia. But many times crusaders just sprayed some holy water on village people, established yearly tax and left local leaders who bent the knee in place to govern. Such kind of softer tone ended after big rebellion in 1343-5. Danish king saw that we were too hard to manage from far away and sold all his lands in Estonia to teutonic order.
Tod's Workshop not sure I understand your comment. I know your medieval daggers come unsharpened. But if I order the double sided dagger with the medallion pommel from Kult of Athena and have them sharpen it, will it hold a reasonable edge with only the 50 level of hardness?
He means that at 50 Rockwell while you could definitely put an edge on it the real issue is with edge retention. The softer the steel the more often you have to sharpen
The old tried and true Seax is my choice to cope with these.....uncertain.....times. If it was good enough for Ragnar the Peacemaker it is good enough for the 21st century.
so when looking for info on google about daggers you seem to always crop up haha, not a bad thing i guess you make good videos!! looking for info to make a more flashy dagger from late 12th to early 13th c, if ther is such a thing without going over the top.
You are, of course, right... Not sure peeling an apple on my local highstreet with a late medieval dagger will go down well. But we allllll know that!!
@@killerkraut9179 That's a useful source, but with many issues. Sadly, this source does not give any information about stuff like material or the way clothing is sewn. Is it wool or linen? Maybe silk? What is worn underneath the tunic? Thanks anyways.
@@dimitrizaitsew1988 you dont can Relie only on one Source from viking Period to Renaissance thats a giant time span over 500 years and we Talk about the Complet Continent Europe there was i Think giant regional differances . Maybe a litle bit Usefull a Video about medival hats ruclips.net/video/9Q0nSjVp1qw/видео.html i am no expert about medival cloths Sorry
@@dimitrizaitsew1988 i think a litle problem is that the most of the originals clothes are Rotten Away . i Think the most commen Matirial for Clothes was Wool or linen why silk was offen to Expansive .
I do like like learning about other weapons to like quarter staffs and spears but I really love the dagger in a modern setting you slice some one they get hurt bleed think twice about messing with you ... but if you have a gun you shoot the it only takes one bullet to killem so with a knife it's easyer to explain them a gun
The last "very straight and very ordinary looking quill and dagger" which you said ended in the 1650's is remarkably similar to a Fairbairn Sykes which is still in military service.
Great video and thank you for the MyArmoury.com recommendation. Was the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch also considered a crusader weapon? You should definitely forge one!
Would love to hear your thoughts Tod on what Macbeth’s dagger might be like. Obviously the play is set in the 11th century. Always been curious. A quillon seems reasonable, although I have seen some productions use what seems like an antennae dagger, sometimes a baselard or even a rondel. Also curiouser still in the famous scene “dudgeon” is mentioned in relation to it “….and on thy blade and dudgeon gouts of blood.” Presumably dudgeon is referring to the handle and it made me think of your dudgeon dagger. A much later dagger admittedly, but one with links to lower Scotland at least, but a 16/17th dagger that Shakespeare would presumably know about and perhaps associate with Scotland. Just made me think of why it’s called a dudgeon dagger, whether it’s just referring to the type of wood used in the same way a sgian dubh aka black knife is so called as it’s handle is usually made of black bog oak….
The Guido relief is in Grossmünster, Zürich, Switzerland, dated to ca. 1170. It is my understanding that it depicts "the earliest medieval dagger" (as opposed to the ancient pugio). But I have to admit that the image isn't sufficiently clear to rule out that it might also be a knife/seax. I was not aware of the Montecassino drawings, but they seem to be absolutely "out of place". I believe it can still be said that as far as we know, *there were no daggers* up to about 1150 or possibly 1250. This is also borne out by the fact that there is no early/high medieval word for "dagger" in western languages. "Dagger" (Old French dague) itself is 14th century. French "poignard" is 15th century, German "Dolch" also 15th century. They had no word for "dagger" in the high medieval period because the thing didn't exist.
Ah yes, there is "basler"/"baselard" for the type of dagger popular in the 14th century. This is short for "basler messer", i.e. "Basel knife" because apparently that's where they were first produced. It is perfectly believable, in my mind, that the newly developed "dagger" type was first called a "knife" and named for its place of origin, and later the locational "basler" became its proper name (compare e.g. "thaler").
Aside from dagger type uses, would these have also been there every day cutting tools? Or did they have other, smaller every day knives that they carried for more mundane tasks? What would they have been like?
I think separate eating knives were pretty common. And possibly specific trade related knives of course. A lot of daggers are not really built for cutting and are a bit long and unweildy for whittling or trimming quills or whatever.
How are seaxes fastened to belts? A belt clearly doesnt fit through the rings on the sheath. I cant find any valid information but i assume they are strapped or hooked on somehow. Hope i can get some help here.
For some reason, and I mean this in a good way, when you speak about the suitability of items for a time period , it almost seems like you are about to gear up for time travel lol.
There's one thing I'm wondering 850 lb draw weight crossbow but with the modern-day draw length how would that fair if it's the same technique and style in the 17th to 18th century times if they can reliably make it's as is if you want to just wanted comments or thumbs
I’m surprised there was no guard on the sax. Combat knives without a guard are super dangerous for your fingers as your hand will always slide down on a hard thrust that meets resistance.
Do we know what kind of social class these various daggers may have belonged to? Were they all knightly weapons in this period or would lower social classes also have carried them?
im curious abou the source of those daggers rocking up in the 1650's since most of the daggers ive seen seem to be different, usually more refined and fullered, different pommels etc
@@tods_workshop do we have any physical/ artistic examples of these more simplistic daggers that late? just, something to corroberate things because, that makes sense but its always easier when we have a primary source
The fist dagger (broken back seax) looks remarkably like what later developed in the United States as the Bowie knife. I guess it is kinda of hard to change what is a great knife. The Armorers back in the days must have known what worked.
Sorry if I sound like an idiot (it's because I am in this field) but what are the circular stampings on the blades near the hand guard? Is that you're mark or a proof mark of some kind? Also your videos are awesome, keep up the good work.
ooo I like to learn about daggers and swords and sometimes put on videos about bladed weapons on as like a swanky version of white nois to get some sleep
I have a theory that American Bowie knives are a direct evolution of the seax. German immigrants lead to our flintlock rifles all looking generally like Jaeger rifles and I suspect the same of Bowie knives.
Hey Tod, I have a thought experiment for you: If you were teleported to medieval times right now and the local lord challenged you to make the best crossbow you could with all the materials he can give you, using all your advanced knowledge - what kind of crossbow would you make?
@@tods_workshop Without a doubt ;-D But would the bow open forwards or backwards? Would it be one solid bow or two separate arms? Stick with steel or go for wood or horn?
Here is the replica of a Dagger-Knife (Dolchmesser, ~35 cm length) handle made from boxwood, early second half of the 13. Century. Found in a well at Mülenen. The sheath is a replica from the same time at Bielersee, Switzerland. www.brandenburg1260.de/dolchmesser.jpg
Wouldnt your hand slip down the blade on a sax if you stabbed someone? The reason why people who kill someone with a kitchen knife has cuts on their hands from the hand slipping down the blade
What exactly is the purpose of the design of the quilon dagger? Making the dagger hilt like a sword hilt seems counter intuitive, as they are used so differently
I honestly was not aware that quilon daggers were still about in 1650!, wow learn something everyday... I bet you were considered right eccentric if you pulled this out
Still feel a need to mention how much I like the slick intro vignette.
Hah. I was just thinking the same thing.
I know. I'm in awe of how succinct and symbolic it is.
Needs more dubstep and 3D text in my opinion
Seriously its sooo good
@@winstonpope2898 I was also thinking the same thing ! I am subscribing......now
I love it how you say "suitable for the crusading period" as if you're equipping a fashionable Knight off to conquer Jerusalem. For indeed one simply must have a coordinated ensemble lest one stains ones escutcheon.
Or when you are talking to folks who do a certain type of re-enactment and are looking to complete their kit with authentic / realistic weapons and gear.
I really like how you explain things clearly and concisely. And then you show us new examples based on the museum pieces and first- or second-order sources that you ALSO show us, letting us do out own research as well. And then you top it off by your relaxed, "Guy chatting on his stoop" presentation. - Thank you.
Great work on all of those daggers but I have to say the last one is my favorite. Great piece
He's the friggin man!!!
Daggers don't get much love. Everyone is interested in swords. Not everyone carried a sword, but everyone carried a dagger. I have 6 in my collection so far, but I fully intend for that number to grow.
@Marcus Marcus Kult of Athena, Museum Replicas and other stores online carry a wide range of good quality daggers. On Kult of Athena, you can sort by Manufacturer. Tod Cutler daggers are there, although there are not many in stock right now. They don't hang around on the shelves long. The Tod Cutler brand is very good quality work and a great price. If you go to Tod's web store, you can get his higher grade Tod's Workshop knives. Even those are a good value for the price.
Just wanted to add. Check the sites regularly as stock can change by the day.
I stopped something very important to watch this, and I'm glad I did.
If you're having trouble spelling or finding the Latin titled resources online, they are: "Liber ad honorem Augusti," "Codice del 1028, Enciclopedia di Maurus Rabanus: De Universo: de Repostoriis," and "Maciejowski Bible"
"...They look pretty seax-like..."
So, one could say...
They're pretty seaxy?
Yah you stole that from a previous comment below.
@@jacobq.2204 nope. I did not.
Couldn't it be possible two people had the same idea after watching the same video without something being "stolen"?
Undeniable seax appeal.
@@shane8037 Sächsisch ist säxy!
Ba dum tssh
Which one is best to have on hand if I'm accosted by a Saracen?
probably the seax, if you are an untrained fighter.
in this case most of your blocking/ your parades would be just that: blocking. not as much skill required to do that, and the (compared to the other two) faster pace you could attack with a seax would be helpfull (faster becouse you are 'missing' a guard on the seax)
if you are better trained, i guess any of the other two would do. the guard gives you the possibility to parade more effectively (if you know how to use it) and probably even strike for some direct and fast counter-hits instead of having to differentiate between defense and attack.
im not very good with daggers, wooden battlestafs are what i trained with most times, so you might want to get some other inofrmation on that.
PS: sorry for my bad english/grammar, i've never been good at writing in english
I’m guessing the drop point or broken back is great for chopping and an overall excellent tool/weapon whereas the the other two have the clear use of thrusting. If skilled with a knife or dagger I’d choose the older style with the curled guard but if you are a sneaky git and held a dagger behind your shield and we’re/are good at tying up an opponent’s primary weapon/sword and could drop you shield quickly enough and thrust the more traditional shape is nearly ideal for such purpose. Drop point seems good for me though, because I don’t have 20 years of dedicated sword and knife practice so for me such “weapons” quickly devolve into tools. (I’m actually quite skillful from a modern sense but not foolish enough to think I could defeat a 15th century knight even if he was drunk, already wounded and not yet aware of my first attack).
@@arnesieper8332 you would need some basic knowledge of knives to not slice your fingers off inn the heat of the battle with the seax
Clicked this so fast and read it as "crusader era badgers", now I'm imagining badgers with tiny daggers. Anyways, really interesting video as always, Tod!
Ah yes, the great Badger crusades to take the Holy forest from the Mink.
I wouldn't count on the Honey Badgers too much. Sure their fearless, but they are suspectable for just not giving a shit.
@@Aconitum_napellus there is no greater threat to Christendom than the foul minkish heresy
I heard the minks were building a wooden badger for stealth reasons
Heck yeah. Got an antennae, 12th century quillon and 2 stilettos on their way this moment. Thank you.
Love all your videos. Always informative and enjoyable.
Would you please do a full video over seax daggers?
Works of art and science, my man. And actual insight on the science of research.
I could listen to/watch you go on about the history, form, manufacture, and composition
of weaponry for an hour. Easily. You might consider a live stream, probably with a narrow
subject matter; such as this topic. Q&A, and what not.
Beautiful work and good historical information, as always
Convergent evolution of weapons. Seax and bowie.
Great video!
The seax looks like it might have been a tool first and weapon second. Here in Finland we still use bit similar design for cutting smaller trees or branches.
Are you referring to the puuko?
@@FixedWing82 Not really to puukko. Rather some older style "vesuri" that is one type of billhook. The modern ones have hook on the blade side while the old ones sometimes had it on the back side. Couldn't find any example photos online but my family has one. There are also couple modern knifes that might have taken inspiration from seax. You can google Taiter Hukari and Terävä Skrama.
But yeah, I might be completely wrong about the similarities. Just had this impression from the first look :)
@@tods_workshop Do you think so? Seax tangs don't seem to me any less robust than those of the khukuri or leuku, which are definitely daily working knives.
@@45calibermedic Most seax finds have minimal wear and tear on the blade, which implies that these blades werent used as tools. Of course there are examples that show the opposite like the baltic "seaxmachetes"
That Antenna Dagger is absolutely gorgeous Tod!
Video topic request: crossbow bolt quivers.
Yes! Haven't seen much hands on content focused on that.
shoutout to ryddragyn's channel, if you don't know it check it out! Amazing stuff about historical warfare and archery in specific.
@@cwmyr ryddragyn is amazing. He has so many videos on fascinating little topics.
Always enjoy your talks.
Yet again another awesome video and craftsmanship.
Seax is just awesome mate. Cheers!
can confirm, myarmoury is just... amazingly useful.
It looks like a broken-back seax also appears in the French manuscript Ms-1186 in Folio 19v from 1225. The illustration shows a thick cylindrical wooden handle without any guard, and an asymmetrical broken-back blade of roughly the same width as the handle, wielded by a man in mail hauberk and chausses typical of the period around 1200.
Another great video , Thankyou for sharing . Your video tend to be the high point in my week . Thank you again .
Nope that is what is on the B.C. I think it is Scottish , that could be the spelling difference , you know the accent ,or burr . Take care !
Another quality video, definitely gonna share this to some knight and paladin RPers I know
Tod's the literal man!
Thanks Tod, always interesting mate. Cheers from Australia.
What might have influenced the design differences? Were these general utility blades that were also used for fighting or primary weapons?
The seax looks much more utilitarian to me and the others more weapon like. Am I off base on that?
I can't really comment on the later blades but the Seax, was very much a utilitarian blade but was also a more than capable weapon. Whilst Matt over at Scholagladiatoria has somewhat disputed the comparison, I can't help but think of the Seax as being a Viking era bowie knife.
@@Aconitum_napellus I think that there is a lot of comparison to be made. The sheer length of the points on some broken-back pieces makes it seem ridiculous not to thrust with them. Gripping with the pinky under the butt, as the Saami still do with their Leuku chopping blades, gives you some safety in the thrust and increases your reach, taking advantage of the long grip. The spear point ones seem quite ready to thrust as well. I think that Matt's observation on the usage of Khyber knives is very interesting in terms of showing what a lot of people might do, but I think that the more trained and experienced fighter would use the weapon more fully. www.swordforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62044&d=1171864160
I like that opening. It’s really cool. This whole video was cool. Glad I found this channel.
...Are you still allowed to say cool when you’re in you’re in your 30’s. Screw it, I’m leaving it that way.
LOL! I sure hope so Adam, I'm 60 and I still say it too.
Robert G - there’s hope for me yet!! 👍
myarmoury gang since 2010 reporting in
Just purchased the quilon dagger (3rd one shown) and I love it. Looks beautiful, feels amazing, nice and sturdy, an all around fantastic dagger of that style. Only thing of note is if you want a sharp edge it is difficult to get with a sharpening stand thing I have. The center is thicker and therefore hits the stone before it can make contact at the edge at the correct angle. I’m sure there’s a way to get around this but not with my resources.
The sheath it comes with is fantastic. Nice leather with a metal tip and on the entrance it fits nice and snug all the way in and holds well.
I just got one to. And yes I completely agree. Worth every penny.
I'm a simple man I see a video of historical weapons and I click 😊
Cool video. I'm considering buying one of these three daggers, but I haven't decided, as I quite like them all. Nice use of Dowland there at the end.
Very interesting piece of history
Thank you
Looks like the same thing can be said about the "viking" sword as the seax in date.
I've just bought that Quillon dagger from Todd Cutler....looks like it will match my longsword pretty closely 🤞🏻.
The crusades I suspect would be the worst era to find a standard. If the event was anything like more modern large scale mobilizations any weapon,old , new, or roundly obsolete would have been pressed into service.
This man has working-hands like rubber gloves.
I read a book about scandinavian crusaiders and crusaides. the crussaides was in a longer period then I thought and I read about a few I hardly know about. the crusaides in northern Europe was totaly forgoten when read history in school.
Here in northern europe we remember and learn about it still. My ancestors were on the receiving end of swords held by danes, swedes and germans from 1219 to 1227 in Estonia. Last uprising against them was 1343-45. We beat danes at first then but got beaten by teutonic order in the end.
Koit Köilveer: It might be that my ancestors was the pepole who did the crusaiding and it didn´t realy fit the schools naritive to talk about it.
@@exploatores We were no angels either. Sacking and burning of Sigtuna in 1187 -capital city in sweden was most likely our bad. We maintained viking like warrior culture and society until the end of crusades towards us. Lack of central ruling and organisation was our undone.
I am allways supriced by adults that realy belive in the chivalery part. Have they realy read any history. I was more supriced that your ancestors was able to hold their ground for so long. Fighting both the russian and Crusaiders at the same time.
@@exploatores Big forests and swamps always saved us from the total annihilation. We struggled in open ground battles but last ones alive where always sane enough to flee deep into hiding with wives and children so the next generation could survive. This tradition lasted till after IIWW. Last partisan who hid in forest from russians was killed in 1978. He went into hiding in 1945 when russians occupied Estonia.
But many times crusaders just sprayed some holy water on village people, established yearly tax and left local leaders who bent the knee in place to govern. Such kind of softer tone ended after big rebellion in 1343-5. Danish king saw that we were too hard to manage from far away and sold all his lands in Estonia to teutonic order.
Fascinating ,as always
Will Rockwell hardness of 50 stand up to cutting tasks?
You can bring knives up to a Good sharpness with at least 55 hrc. I would'nt go lower than that.
Tod's Workshop not sure I understand your comment. I know your medieval daggers come unsharpened. But if I order the double sided dagger with the medallion pommel from Kult of Athena and have them sharpen it, will it hold a reasonable edge with only the 50 level of hardness?
He means that at 50 Rockwell while you could definitely put an edge on it the real issue is with edge retention. The softer the steel the more often you have to sharpen
@@harrycarter3781 thanks for the explanation
In baltic (Latvia) that dagger's name is trejasmens and it was used til 1700 by latgalian tribes
The old tried and true Seax is my choice to cope with these.....uncertain.....times. If it was good enough for Ragnar the Peacemaker it is good enough for the 21st century.
Would they throw any of these daggers? It looks like the saex one would be really good for that.
Excellent information thank you for sharing. How were daggers attached to a belt?
Would you be able to do the Irish skean knife used by the Irish Kern warriors
so when looking for info on google about daggers you seem to always crop up haha, not a bad thing i guess you make good videos!! looking for info to make a more flashy dagger from late 12th to early 13th c, if ther is such a thing without going over the top.
Thank you, very nice!
I know daggers are only for killing things, but they are so beautiful.... Love a bit of symmetry
You can peel appels or carrots with them as well!
You are, of course, right... Not sure peeling an apple on my local highstreet with a late medieval dagger will go down well. But we allllll know that!!
@GreenSheepNomad yeah, the status element was key wasn't it.
What's the best resource to find info about clothing and soft kit from viking period to Renaissance?
maybe this helps manuscriptminiatures.com/5865/23171/
@@tods_workshop good video
@@killerkraut9179 That's a useful source, but with many issues.
Sadly, this source does not give any information about stuff like material or the way clothing is sewn.
Is it wool or linen? Maybe silk? What is worn underneath the tunic?
Thanks anyways.
@@dimitrizaitsew1988 you dont can Relie only on one Source from viking Period to Renaissance thats a giant time span over 500 years and we Talk about the Complet Continent Europe there was i Think giant regional differances .
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I do like like learning about other weapons to like quarter staffs and spears but I really love the dagger in a modern setting you slice some one they get hurt bleed think twice about messing with you ... but if you have a gun you shoot the it only takes one bullet to killem so with a knife it's easyer to explain them a gun
The last "very straight and very ordinary looking quill and dagger" which you said ended in the 1650's is remarkably similar to a Fairbairn Sykes which is still in military service.
Apparently the Fairburn Sykes was modelled on a Spanish 16thC dagger
Great video and thank you for the MyArmoury.com recommendation.
Was the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch also considered a crusader weapon? You should definitely forge one!
Would love to hear your thoughts Tod on what Macbeth’s dagger might be like. Obviously the play is set in the 11th century. Always been curious. A quillon seems reasonable, although I have seen some productions use what seems like an antennae dagger, sometimes a baselard or even a rondel. Also curiouser still in the famous scene “dudgeon” is mentioned in relation to it “….and on thy blade and dudgeon gouts of blood.” Presumably dudgeon is referring to the handle and it made me think of your dudgeon dagger. A much later dagger admittedly, but one with links to lower Scotland at least, but a 16/17th dagger that Shakespeare would presumably know about and perhaps associate with Scotland. Just made me think of why it’s called a dudgeon dagger, whether it’s just referring to the type of wood used in the same way a sgian dubh aka black knife is so called as it’s handle is usually made of black bog oak….
Would they have still have used that type of sheath you show with the langseax????
The Guido relief is in Grossmünster, Zürich, Switzerland, dated to ca. 1170. It is my understanding that it depicts "the earliest medieval dagger" (as opposed to the ancient pugio). But I have to admit that the image isn't sufficiently clear to rule out that it might also be a knife/seax.
I was not aware of the Montecassino drawings, but they seem to be absolutely "out of place".
I believe it can still be said that as far as we know, *there were no daggers* up to about 1150 or possibly 1250. This is also borne out by the fact that there is no early/high medieval word for "dagger" in western languages. "Dagger" (Old French dague) itself is 14th century. French "poignard" is 15th century, German "Dolch" also 15th century. They had no word for "dagger" in the high medieval period because the thing didn't exist.
Ah yes, there is "basler"/"baselard" for the type of dagger popular in the 14th century. This is short for "basler messer", i.e. "Basel knife" because apparently that's where they were first produced. It is perfectly believable, in my mind, that the newly developed "dagger" type was first called a "knife" and named for its place of origin, and later the locational "basler" became its proper name (compare e.g. "thaler").
Aside from dagger type uses, would these have also been there every day cutting tools? Or did they have other, smaller every day knives that they carried for more mundane tasks? What would they have been like?
I think separate eating knives were pretty common. And possibly specific trade related knives of course. A lot of daggers are not really built for cutting and are a bit long and unweildy for whittling or trimming quills or whatever.
What about those dagger/spear head looking things in the book on the right? What are those?
Another brilliant video! Thanks Tod.
Would you please give attribution to the musical vignettes you use in your videos.
How are seaxes fastened to belts? A belt clearly doesnt fit through the rings on the sheath. I cant find any valid information but i assume they are strapped or hooked on somehow. Hope i can get some help here.
Tod been looking at getting sum of Ur daggers are they heat treated and functional
For some reason, and I mean this in a good way, when you speak about the suitability of items for a time period , it almost seems like you are about to gear up for time travel lol.
There's one thing I'm wondering 850 lb draw weight crossbow but with the modern-day draw length how would that fair if it's the same technique and style in the 17th to 18th century times if they can reliably make it's as is if you want to just wanted comments or thumbs
I’m surprised there was no guard on the sax. Combat knives without a guard are super dangerous for your fingers as your hand will always slide down on a hard thrust that meets resistance.
Hi, can you tell me if stiletto and dagger are the same thing? Thank you.
Saxon intensifies. “Who dares battle the Saracen”
I may be the only one that got that reference, of course, I'm 49yr and still have a ponytail \m/
Paul Pasche age doesn’t matter. Let your freak flag fly.
Do we know what kind of social class these various daggers may have belonged to? Were they all knightly weapons in this period or would lower social classes also have carried them?
I was under the impression that it was embraced by both Lord and Retinue alike...... but I'd trust Mr. Cutler's opinion 1st and foremost!
And how about the quillion dagger later on? Was it more in the realm of a baselard or rondel dagger? Or something more like a bollock dagger?
Right, thanks guys!
im curious abou the source of those daggers rocking up in the 1650's since most of the daggers ive seen seem to be different, usually more refined and fullered, different pommels etc
@@tods_workshop do we have any physical/ artistic examples of these more simplistic daggers that late? just, something to corroberate things because, that makes sense but its always easier when we have a primary source
Learn something ever clip I watch . 👍
Nice daggers!
with the coalition of countries involved I would expect there to be many different kinds?
The fist dagger (broken back seax) looks remarkably like what later developed in the United States as the Bowie knife. I guess it is kinda of hard to change what is a great knife. The Armorers back in the days must have known what worked.
Yes, with similar materials and a similar task you will get similar tools.
the bowie is pretty much directly influenced buy the English style(broken back) seax
What type of steel do you use for your knife making? And love the website thanks.
Sorry if I sound like an idiot (it's because I am in this field) but what are the circular stampings on the blades near the hand guard? Is that you're mark or a proof mark of some kind? Also your videos are awesome, keep up the good work.
Makers mark.
ooo I like to learn about daggers and swords and sometimes put on videos about bladed weapons on as like a swanky version of white nois to get some sleep
I just went to his online store...looks like im going to have to save up for a while. Ouch.
I just realized that some daggers are even bigger than the Kabar.
God damn I love that lip smack.
I see you painted your logo on your workshop door.
excellent
I thought a dagger was made to be a concealed type knife , those look pretty big ?
Didn't you used to offer a small seax? Or is it now rolled into the "viking eating knife"?
I have a theory that American Bowie knives are a direct evolution of the seax. German immigrants lead to our flintlock rifles all looking generally like Jaeger rifles and I suspect the same of Bowie knives.
I really like your content Tod you do your research and your honest about things your unsure of, one more thing Tod do you juggle?
Would look nicer if the gold edging metal on the sheath was one whole piece. Otherwise they look awesome.
Hey Tod, I have a thought experiment for you: If you were teleported to medieval times right now and the local lord challenged you to make the best crossbow you could with all the materials he can give you, using all your advanced knowledge - what kind of crossbow would you make?
@@tods_workshop Without a doubt ;-D
But would the bow open forwards or backwards? Would it be one solid bow or two separate arms? Stick with steel or go for wood or horn?
@@tods_workshop Hmm - I believe I have an idea for the dwarven master crossbow design in my fantasy setting. :D
Do you sell to the US
that seax handle looks like itd get real slippery with some blood on it.
Here is the replica of a Dagger-Knife (Dolchmesser, ~35 cm length) handle made from boxwood, early second half of the 13. Century. Found in a well at Mülenen. The sheath is a replica from the same time at Bielersee, Switzerland.
www.brandenburg1260.de/dolchmesser.jpg
The real question is, where is the music you use in the end of the video from?
What’s the tang on the seax ?
Pilum test on scutums and other shileds!
Wouldnt your hand slip down the blade on a sax if you stabbed someone? The reason why people who kill someone with a kitchen knife has cuts on their hands from the hand slipping down the blade
I should stop watching these...I'm always super tempted to buy more stuff.
makes sense that the seax did not go out of style. Because the design of the seax works. End of story really :)
What exactly is the purpose of the design of the quilon dagger? Making the dagger hilt like a sword hilt seems counter intuitive, as they are used so differently
They were most likely worn paired with the sword. Aesthetics were a sign of wealth and status then as much as now.
I was thinking for a less than lethal "butt strike' (no jokes please) but maybe that's just the D&D rule book in me talking.
i'm a simple man... i see a seax and i press like
Thinking about it logicaly a seax type knife would fade from use then suddenly end at 1066.
I honestly was not aware that quilon daggers were still about in 1650!, wow learn something everyday... I bet you were considered right eccentric if you pulled this out
So... Dio's knives? Right?