Capital gameplay was the most fun weve had as a small band of players. 7 players can have a good time on a polars and a fighter or two. We had a blast tackling the Idris. Pdcs work btw
Exactly as Tomato said @17:24 From the way they described capital combat, i actually thought "star wars battlefront 2" (the 05 one). Space battles consist of disabling components on the opponents capital - shields, PDS, comms, etc - either externally, or by boarding and fighting through to take them out, so your capital can land a critical hit. And honestly? im all for that
The battles against the Idris, the large ship ganeplay around it and the accompanying missions have been the best experiences I've had in Star Citizen so far. If I wanted sell someone on this game I would take him along to make that mission chain up to the Idris.
@@sanctredmet a guy at a recent bar citizen that told me what’s causing that issue is related to people trying to board and/or hijack the ship. My experience so far has matched that.
Corvettes are the smallest class of capital ship according to CIG, and the Polaris is the first true corvette. The thing that confused the matter for a lot of people was the Hammerhead erroneously being labeled as a corvette when it’s a “gunboat.”
I was one of the first in on my first run of Slicers Incursion, most were holding back waiting for more to arrive to help. I was in my Sabre, which I had been flying for the Phase 2 assassination missions. The force multiplier of being able to hit and run with working stealth mechanics was impressive, and when the others saw ships exploding they joined in. I don't think half of them were even aware I was there until it was just the Idris. I watched as heavy fighters exploded around me as they took fire and could not escape the firing arc in time. The fact that my Sabre reported the kill tells me I got the last shot in. The whole event screamed of being the hero of a space opera, from flying in to rescue traders, to sniping operatives under the protection of local gangs, to taking on a sizeable fleet with the community. Unfortunately my attempts at joining a Polaris crew have not been fruitful, disconnects, bugs, and other issues have made it difficult to get one running at peak efficiency. I have my own Polaris, but it's easier to find a crew recruiting than to recruit a full crew. I think there will be a day where recruiting crews is a lot easier, particularly with the 380 server cap of 4.0. Unfortunately, it seems much of the active community has their own Polaris, so we're still going to have to take turns.
Sounds amazing. By the time I jumped on nothing was working anymore. 😢 Really hope server meshing brings in a new era of performance and long term stability for the servers.
they have to make it where you can log off and on in the same area for those capital ships to be used 100% imagine logging in and a night crew getting off and another crew logging in taking roles over and also being in a whole different area the next day, trusting that the other people will keep the capital alive for when you log back in your still "home" that would be cool, until then its too time costly to crew capitals all day everyday with a team. ill keep using my polaris solo for now.
When I heard them talking about this in IAE episode 2 , it went kind of under the radar first but I finally caught them actually having a game plan for this now. We were always playing XT and arlington gang with this idea that captial ship battle was already awesome because we needed to be able to orient ourselves in a pretty tight space around the ship without crashing into eachother and focus on the shields. And that was already awesome, but there are going to be so much more layers to it when the fully physicalized maelstrom, engineering and physical item behavior is added to it. Great stuff! Also for pvp players who will have to keep their capital ship operational if it isn't an AI ship.
I think once they enable (if they go this route) other players to create contracts that other people can accept that will add alot to the game. You wanna hire a crew for your capitol ship? Throw out a contract or two requesting engineering support. Want to try a large scale mining or salvage operation? Make some contracts. Obviously for larger scale endeavors they will need to scale up some stuff but I can see it being a viable option to breathe more life into the game and give people more opportunities to engage with others in positive ways. I am curious and excited (though I keep myself grounded it is SC here lol) about the future of the game moving forward.
I imagine that Chris R wants to play his game solo at some point, so solo will definitely be viable is almost every scenario. They added NPC led dungeons in WoW, so basically it's just Raids now. FF14 has NPC dungeons and Raids.
I feel like ships should have berthing for 20% more people to accommodate guards and engineers. I'm also hoping we get a capital class snare ship, Drake Leviathan would be cool.
@20:20 - I think large fleet battles can be organized by simply having filters. For example, a filter to see only capital ships, another for enemy bombers, and another for enemy fighters. To make things even more fun, scout ships like the terrapin can scan all the enemy ships as they come in-range and feed that info back to the fleet, so each player does not have to manually scan every ship. Furthermore, the holo globe map should be customizable so you only see ships within a certain range. Now the entire battle can be broken down into different categories of threats. And just like in the RL, a fleet admiral can give general orders to a group of ships and let the ship captains manage the battle in their immediate area. I think this is the direction CIG is going and it will make the game fun because everyone does not have to worry about everything going on all at once, they only have to focus on their immediate surroundings. Capital ship PVE missions. I think this would be a good opportunity to expand on instanced servers. A solo player mission could take them to an disabled Javelin or a Polaris sending out a distress call. When the player lands, they actually switch to an instanced server which is the entire ship. Here they could interact with an NPC crew to do repairs, or man a turret or fight a boarding party, etc... Once the mission is complete, they get back in their ship and leave - back to the PU.
Im not sure why every time soloing multicrew ships is brought up - Some content creators and the PvP crew seem to think that doing so means solo'ers expect to be just as effective. No one really believes or is expecting that. These people are not dense. They most likely are not into PvPing and that sort of thing. They want to game PvE wise and engage in NPC conflicts. No one is expecting to own other players solo in their 3K Javelin. This narrative is over blown.
@@matteobarbarini3120I think you have lost the plot mate and need to go touch grass. A lot of solo players are people with lives who are not looking to make this into a job or a hobby or join your little club. Some people just want to log on look at their ship , maybe do a mission or two and then go log off and play with their kids or take their wife out to dinner. I’m sorry that infuriates you personally but I am sure you will live. I could say the same thing about people who fish , and what a waste of time I think it is , but I am sure you would disagree.
@@matteobarbarini3120 ohh look another no brain idiot. Why are solo players crybabies? They bought thousand-dollar ships, and they dont need to let a nobody like you into it? Most backers in the begging were solo and small crew people and they were looking foward to having bigger ships as their base. Only crybabies I hear are the new players crying that they should be let into the bigger ships that other people spent thousands on.
@@yulfine1688 No hes actually right, that argument has been made over and over by single players. They bought the ships and CIG has to make it available for them to play it. there not into the heavy combat pvp but would like to have one as a personal base they can use on a daily. Kraken for example, and having npc or blades to crew turrents to help you protect it while you are away or flying somewhere else is all some solo players want
Having seen the fixes since September, my attitude is turning positive towards CIG now, which is a lot for a previously very jaded Year 1 backer who turned 40 this year.
A corvette is the smallest class of Capital Ships. Then its followed by Frigate Light, Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser, Battlecruiser, Battleship, Escort Carrier, Fleet Carrier, and then Dreadnought. These classes are based on real Navy class of ships and have been pretty well defined among numerous Sci-Fi IP's over the years. Expect a LOT more capital class ships to come down the road.
Looking it up it seems the title for a "Capital Ship" (coined in 1909) is a Military vessel of WWI and II was with large caliber guns and heavy armor protection (battleships and battlecruisers/heavy cruisers), though in WWII the aircraft carrier was considered a capital ship, but Cruisers, despite being important ships, were not considered capital ships. I feel that the most capable defensive and offensive, Military ships that also can command a fleet of ships should be classified as a "Capital Ship". With that, technically an 890 Jump shouldn't be a capital ship, but in command of an "Exploration Fleet" may be the loophole. ;-)
Capital ships will make more sense when base building becomes common place. A Capital ship is designed to project power, so when your base ((land or space) becomes pretty sizable, you can use a Capital ship to invade other org bases.
It's THIS & literally so much more 😭 Folks don't understand these damn caps are USELESS without a logistics train from base to station to ship. It's impossible. Your javelin will run the hell out of fuel & you'll be a dead stick. A $3,000 dead stick. A 450M UEC dead stick.
Also when I say fuel. I mean as vaguely as possible. Fuel for your QT drive, fuel for your hydrogen tank, fuel for your life support systems. FUEL. WILL. BE. DETRIMENTAL. TO. CAP. SHIPS. hahahahaha it's so much. I really do not think 75% of pledgers for Idris's & up understand the vassstttt gaming project they spent 1500-3500 dollars on.
The problem with Capital Ships is that everyone thinks they have the talent to be the captain and if they own the ship, believe that they SHOULD be the captain. Everyone wants to be Picard and nobody wants to be Reg Barclay, but most people should know their limits and take the crew position. I would follow a GOOD Captain, with a GOOD helmsman and bridge crew. Unfortunately, you can spend your session grinding only to lose it all because the person in command is not the best person to do it.
And that is why this while "crew for stupid manual labour" won't work. You can find a pilot and a gunner for your Mi-28 in every game, know why? Both positions rock. But you cannot find people to make coffe in your battleship, it's not hard to understand WHY.
Typically by a definition the most valuable ship in a fleet is the capital ship. Be that a battleship or a carrier. Cruisers destroyers frigates are not capital ships unless for some strange reason one of them is the largest and most important ship in the fleet. :-)
The more indepth technical it gets, the more rewarding it will become. That demands skill and time to be mastered, which will give players a lot of options. Perfect in my eyes Every scifi fan will come to play for sure
If they do a group find, they should also include certain roles that needs to be filled. That way, the person joining the group knows their main duty. If that position doesn't get filled by a player, npc will fill that role.
Reclaimer is a Capital now, it got S4 Shields, Powerplant and Cooler. The Stretchgoal was 4,5million for a new class "Star Citizen will feature an additional playable ship class, the cruiser." which is still missing.
21:00 Server meshing only improves server performence but not game performence, thats a different story. even if server meshing would be perfect they still need to optimize the game.
it does help with client performance as well but the total value if much less than optimization of the game etc, its an alpha optimizations won't start happening until closer to 1.0 launch in 4-6 years and as such at least 2 years away before we start to see much larger improvements.
Hundreds of people in a ship doing WHAT? Man, those people must live in another planet, this is NOT REAL LIFE. Nobody will spend their days washing the ground. Yeah, some players, maybe 10 if the ship is huge? MAYBE. And just MAYBE, remember even in games like older battlefield entries of Planetside 2 there are no vehicles that require more than 5 crew and there is a REASON for that, players just won't do it for a long time.
I completely agree. I bet that big orgs could only bring out a javelin and man it with a LOT of players for small periods of time like 2-4 hours. there is no way anyone can schedule around 100 or so people with no lives to play on a javelin to man it 24/7. most people can't even get 5-6 people together to play DND for 1-2 hours once a week.
@@grimneeldrakia7173 And that assuming the technomagic "server meshing" even works well enough to allow 200+ players in the combat area, the ONLY game what I know is capable to do so is planetside and it has REALLY simple graphics, weapons and vehicles.
Just have to look at how EVEonline handles its ping systems during nullsec attacks, more often then not its a slideshow of inane boredom with FCs designating targets and even then EVE has the advantage that traversing that universe is fairly simple. Atm it can take most players 20-30 minutes to gear up pick their ship and fly to do 1 task in 1 system. Star citizen is fun as hell but this desire to have ships entirely crewed by players is a folly and I don't even care or want npc crew, but of they don't get npc crew working the casuals that keep games afloat will leave.
And THIS is why NPC will be REQUIRED. You can get folks like the ones in this video to wake up and understand this, because they are living in fantasy land. Crewing ships for days works in real life because those people are slaves. They HAVE to be there. The military owns them. Nobody is going to volunteer to be crew for hours and hours in your ship. Never going to happen. People need to wake up. Requiring human crew will kill these ships.
Maybe capital ships can use the holotable to mark targets for rest of the fleet. Could have UI there to select targets easier. In EVE we had someone in chat calling out targets to concentrate fire, then you had to find it from the list. We can already mark targets with numbers in SC so that just has to be made better for fleet battles.
I love the news. But as An 890 owner i hate that it is roped into the weird state when in actuality. It's just as much a capital ship as any other. The design philosophy for the 890 is that is is bleeding edge technology. It SHOULD have Best in class shields and components: best in class handling and come factory with blades installed. But have half the armor of military vessels. And smaller weapon hardpoints. I just wish they mentioned the niche the 890 has and give it some real use case other than being pirate fodder. Or idris food. I'm not asking for it to be able to go broadside with an Idris. However if i have 6 friends on board and is loaded with cargo, loot, and vehicles it should not go down in a single pass from another cap ship or even a few larger ships. If the Idris has a size 10 railgun, and the polaris has torps, the 890 should atleast be Automated with blades
The 890 is a large, luxury space yacht. Not a warship, not cutting edge technology. It's a space limo... The hot tub and bar should have clued you in. It's a poncy party boat.
@whatever-w5n that doesn't mean it should be a pinata for any S4 ship and above. In a universe where vanduul attack indiscriminately and pirates and militias are everywhere it would make sense that Origin would spare no expense in defense. Also from a gameplay perspective. If the 890 was nothing but a frivolous Luxury item then why does the 600i have some of the highest alpha damage and hull armor in it's class? and an on board armory, tank garage, and a medbay. Origin isn't just a luxury company. They make some of the most rugged ships with graphene coated glax plated armor. They ARE cutting edge.
Ship class nomenclature does exist and the definitions are semi flexible depending on what generation we are talking. CIG DO NOT USE existing IRL ship classification conventions. Their naming means nothing, they just using the term Capital to sell ships. The history of the term "Capital" regarding ships is interesting and I suggest taking a look at.
Bear in mind the original concept for this game was not an MMO. Originally it was privately held servers they would have one master server that would be that whatever, cuz one of the backer levels included in an entire modding manual written by the devs. So capital ships were going to be different than they are now for sure and all large class ships from cutters frigates up
Listening to this I keep thinking how prior to battle planning (tactics, coordination and communication between ships), during battle coordination (between turrets), communication (between turrets and CIC), and especially situational awareness in a 3D environment (evasive maneuvers/bring weapons to bare, threat assessment), needs to be practiced. As a solo player I'm trying (between updates and wipes) to establish my character (Tarn Kallwyn) as a "Civilian, Independent Contractor" (key words; "Civilian" and "Independent") with a variety of ships for whatever job is out there for a "Spacer" (not a spacer)? I'm still waiting for the refitted 600i? ;-)
gunship missions, ground assaults and eliminations. transport escort, search and rescue. Thing is after carriers get in the game a lot of these ships can do medical rescue.
Capital ships do not exist without a fleet to support them. A Capital ships role is to command the fleet and is often the ship gosling the Fleet Commander. The term Capital literally means Head.
I agree with the doubts about cap ship combat, sounds way too cinematic. In the end gamers are going to be gamers which means they absolutely will not do what CIG imagines, but what will yield the best results. If ramming 10 auroras into the enemy cap ship is faster than shutting down their defenses one by one, then people will do that. That's just the reality of gaming. Also I'm not sure this layered "puzzle" type of gameplay is very fun. Having 2 or more cap ships duking it out with each other sounds way more cinematic and fun than doing all those steps to take down a cap ship. To put it in the words of ken watanabe: "let them fight!"
The more I think about it, the more I feel like this game will be impossible, like base building, just look at the base they showed at citizen Con with massive bases and tons of people flying around, that might work with 1 base but imagine 1000 bases like that and how impossible it would be for the server to load all that information and the same goes with massive fleet battles with capital ships and 1000 players, and not just 1 massive battle but multiple battles over the entire server(s) and then add everything else people are doing on top of that. I feel this game is a game of dreams and not within the reality of what is possible.
Industrial Capital gameplay seems inverted from the Combat Capaitals in Star Citizen. The Industrial capital is basically independent and does not need fleet support.
25:30 Sorry, but that is just not how it works and how it will work out: 1st: you dont need MM to get smaller ships/fighters in the turrets crosshair. In fact without Master Modes a capital ship could "force" the fighters into that simply by moving and moving fast. Now WITH Master Modes this is simply not possible.... the fighters will swarm you, evade like crazy and never be able to be hit while dictating the entire fight. The capital can move, turn, roll as much as it wants, it will never outpace the fighters, no matter if we are talking about a Buccaneer or hevy Ares or Vanguard. I said it from day 1, Master Modes doomed capital ships and combat - also engineering won't change any of that (because thats just another layer). And forgive my directness on this, but any serious analysis of the ships movement and combat dynamic would make this obvious, so please dont fall for Rich's mind-castels - and thats also an impression I get more with every interview: Rich has no idea what he is talking about... all he does is "selling a vision" made up 5 mins before the show without any second thought on how it actually plays.2nd: and thats following the topic from 43:00 This also wont work... it simply leads to another situation of capitals being useless if it still NEEDS the fighters... just bring only fighters then. Or the capital ships gets so powerfull that fighters dont do much... but then, what are we talking about? The entire concept doesnt make sense anymore.
they said that the polaris is a similar experience like the hammerhead but with bigger guns. the truth is tho the hammerhead has MORE turret dps than a polaris. remember when they said: "we are looking at upgunning the polaris so its not just a torpedo boat, it can hold its own against other capital ships WITH ITS TURRETS!!" I do because i own one and they lied. not only less turret dps than a hammerhead, we can also run out of ammo because we can not restock the bespoke turret of the polaris from the inside. so two big L's for polaris owners.
On the discussion what is a capital ship. CIG has not been consistent on the website it's called "The Polaris is a nimble corvette-class capital ship..." but ASOP calls it Capital. In my view Capital ship is any ship with Capital size components. A ship of certain value / number of crew would be protected by capital class components. Similarly, you can flip this the other way - as soon as you get a ship big enough to house capital class components, they will be big to require many more crew, have more features and be of higher value. In my view Polaris is not big enough to be deemed as capital - it can be effectively run by relatively small crew, and CIG did not deem is "valuable" or "important" enough to protect it with Capital class shields or Hull strengths. It can't carry many fighters nor vehicles and has limited features. Polaris should be in a corvette or maybe heavy corvette class (compared to a HH).
Um it has capital class shields.. and the shields were buffed so not sure what you're on about, its also huge around 170 meters or so, run with a small crew? AT minimum you need 4-6 players yes but you're not doing much with that, without a proper crew of at least 12 you're barley running the ship, and the only reason is because we don't have engineering etc in, once that happens running these ships with a handful of people isn't going to work very well, it is very much a capital class ship, it uses captial class components, and hull hp it has currently nearly 4 million or so ontop of the shields which were buffed to nearly 1 million hp, rebalancing will continue to change that the PDC's are definitely something else, it can carry a couple fighters or one larger fighter yes because its a patrol vessel, it runs in a fleet with other smaller ships and its the flagship of that patrol fleet, it doesn't need to carry 10 fighters, in fact that's not realistic not even the idris will carry that many most likely the javelin might and the bengal because its a carrier will along with things like the kraken.
@@yulfine1688 thanks i didn't realize there was a refactor on the components and other larger ships no longer have Capital Size components. interesting note which might resolve this topic more accurately. S4 are the old "capital" size components therefore the ship Size is deemed as Capital (based on my initial comment), however the ship Role would be - Corvette, Destroyer, Frigate etc. The role would be a more accurate way to define based on how many crew it's performance and role in the fleet. So you would be fielding several capital sized ships, but the composition of a fleet would be dictated by the various roles. eg. 5 corvettes for every 2 destroyers which would be for every 1 javelin. This is talking hypothetical future fleet battles mentioned in the CIG video. Thanks for you feedback and i stand corrected on the sizeing.
yes there absolutely should be missions that are based on having players with capital ships..so i would like to see regular missions like destroy a rogue polaris in game not just as special events
I’m happy with people have content for only orgs . But I would really hate to see rewards or items (gear ) that can not be obtained . Best in slot should not be only for orgs .
CIG please set up instance missions, siege of orison Groups of 12 or more join together and complete each level to open next level. EZ done everyone wins.
As someone who likes to solo woth the reclaimer, i am under no delusions that, that will last. Nor will i be nearly as efficient as player crewed reclaimer when ai blades come out. I just don't trust any of you. Until the game moves away from shoot 1st, with laughable reprocussions for it. Going to stay solo till friends join.
Soloing a ship does not mean you’re a solo player? I wish people would stop trying to put people into a box. Two friends each want to fly a Scorpius with a blade or npc gunner in the back? Are they solo. Four friends want to operate an Idirs and 3 fighters with the help of blades and npcs are they solo. I don’t know how many times CIG need to tell us that NPCs and Blades will be a thing and all ships will be able to be operated that way even if it is less efficient or more costly but still completely viable. To bad Croncy 😊
The distinction between a Capital Ship and a Corvette primarily lies in their size, role, and operational capabilities. Here’s a breakdown: Capital Ship Definition: A large, powerful vessel that serves as the backbone of a fleet, often commanding smaller ships. Roles: Command and control of fleet operations. Long-range firepower. Carrier duties (e.g., deploying fighters, bombers). Heavy defense and resilience in battles. Strategic and logistical support (e.g., repair facilities, supply storage). Examples: Battleships Aircraft carriers Dreadnoughts Heavy cruisers Size and Armament: Massive size (hundreds to thousands of meters in length). Equipped with heavy weapons (e.g., large turrets, missile batteries). Advanced shields and armor. Crew: Requires large crews, often numbering in the thousands. Cost and Resources: Expensive to build and maintain. Also most Capital ships serve as flagships or command ships in a fleet. They act as the backbone of military operations. Corvette Definition: A small, fast, and maneuverable ship designed for specific tasks, typically operating independently or as part of smaller groups. Roles: Patrol and escort. Reconnaissance and scouting. Anti-piracy and customs enforcement. Support roles in fleet actions (e.g., screening larger ships, anti-fighter defense). Examples: Small patrol ships Escort vessels Size and Armament: Much smaller than capital ships (typically 50-200 meters in length). Light to moderate weaponry (e.g., point-defense systems, smaller turrets). Less durable armor and shields compared to capital ships. Crew: Smaller crews, often under 100 personnel. Cost and Resources: Relatively inexpensive and easier to produce.
Croncy seems clueless about solo players. Solo players and small teams will make up 70% of the player base. It's an MMO for solo and small tribes, especially since the scope of the game is so massive!"
He sounds clueless about a lot. These people just make up their own garbage. For example: CIG has made clear what ships are capital and which aren’t. According to CIG, corvettes are the smallest capital ship. Followed by frigates, and then destroyers. This is clearly lined out by CIG. How do they have content channels and not know this? They just make shit up.
IMO most streamers are like this. They never spend time in a discord with five regulars. They never want to log in months from an event and can't get a single person to hop in game with them. Hell, Inforunners regularly recommend buying the largest ship of a particular profession that you can afford, and then using that to earn all the smaller ships... By myself? Start off in a reclaimer alone to earn myself a vulture? With what rep? With what money to even run a huge ship? Just a perspective they lack.
That's one of the things that Burns me about all these streamers they Brant and rave and scream aboutsolo players existing in an MMO. Refusing to believe that they are the only ones that can get away with not having a job to afford to be able to play said MMO. A job which by its very description says that you're away from your computer for anywhere from 8 to 12 and in some people's cases 16 hours a day. And that's just the job that doesn't include coming home to cook clean shower sleep and Spend time with family if you have one. Take World of Warcraft for instance for all the crying these people do about it being such an ease of access game that caters to solo players. they fail to see the reason why it has stayed alive for so long when all its competition aside from a few very specific titles are long gone!
all three of you clearly misunderstand literally everything they were saying. there will ALWAYS be aspects of games that you will not experience unless you dedicate time. thats how games are, especially online games. We also arent even close to a game yet so your takes that "streamers" dont understand is misguided. World of Warcraft is a COMPLETE game with years of time of adding and modifying the game. I believe whenever SC becomes a game there will be enough features and things happening that can enable someone to experience things with others or alone. but its simply logic that small groups will succeed over solo people. and people who have real life things as we all do, will play in their slot and thats it. if that still irritates you no man sky is still available lol.
“I the solo player do self declare myself as the most important of your players because of our perceived self importance. You will bow down to us and completely change how the game is designed” “I’m not arrogant at all “
Capital gameplay is not amazing. Correction on the title. Sorry but master modes coupled with bad game mechanics makes this whole system a failure. I am no longer confident in the teams ability to make this game.
I still don't know how they plan to make multicrew gameplay actually fun for ships with a lot of stations. "Solving a puzzle" in capital gameplay sounds nice at first, but when you have 20 gunners, none of them is doing that. When you have large crews, the stations become insignificant and will be boring to operate on the long run. So how many significant stations will there actually be on a capital ship? I would assume that the number levels quite fast and you probably only have a hand full of people manning the biggest turrets or overseeing just a single station for engineering and gun batteries while the guns itself would be controlled by npcs. I mean we have ships with 14, 28 or up to 65 "crew" capacity. I can only see maybe 5 or 6 stations being actually fun on the long run. No matter the size of the ship.
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Capital gameplay was the most fun weve had as a small band of players. 7 players can have a good time on a polars and a fighter or two.
We had a blast tackling the Idris. Pdcs work btw
Exactly as Tomato said @17:24 From the way they described capital combat, i actually thought "star wars battlefront 2" (the 05 one).
Space battles consist of disabling components on the opponents capital - shields, PDS, comms, etc - either externally, or by boarding and fighting through to take them out, so your capital can land a critical hit. And honestly? im all for that
The battles against the Idris, the large ship ganeplay around it and the accompanying missions have been the best experiences I've had in Star Citizen so far.
If I wanted sell someone on this game I would take him along to make that mission chain up to the Idris.
Me too but the fact they are bugged on most servers is a giant kick to the nuts around the ability to have fun and enjoy these missions.
@@sanctredmet a guy at a recent bar citizen that told me what’s causing that issue is related to people trying to board and/or hijack the ship. My experience so far has matched that.
@@Henweiss me too, I agree
Corvettes are the smallest class of capital ship according to CIG, and the Polaris is the first true corvette. The thing that confused the matter for a lot of people was the Hammerhead erroneously being labeled as a corvette when it’s a “gunboat.”
I was one of the first in on my first run of Slicers Incursion, most were holding back waiting for more to arrive to help. I was in my Sabre, which I had been flying for the Phase 2 assassination missions. The force multiplier of being able to hit and run with working stealth mechanics was impressive, and when the others saw ships exploding they joined in. I don't think half of them were even aware I was there until it was just the Idris. I watched as heavy fighters exploded around me as they took fire and could not escape the firing arc in time. The fact that my Sabre reported the kill tells me I got the last shot in. The whole event screamed of being the hero of a space opera, from flying in to rescue traders, to sniping operatives under the protection of local gangs, to taking on a sizeable fleet with the community. Unfortunately my attempts at joining a Polaris crew have not been fruitful, disconnects, bugs, and other issues have made it difficult to get one running at peak efficiency. I have my own Polaris, but it's easier to find a crew recruiting than to recruit a full crew. I think there will be a day where recruiting crews is a lot easier, particularly with the 380 server cap of 4.0. Unfortunately, it seems much of the active community has their own Polaris, so we're still going to have to take turns.
This is what Star Citizen is about! Crew up with us, we also have a Polaris with a starting crew of about 4-5 of us 🤷♂️
Sounds amazing. By the time I jumped on nothing was working anymore. 😢
Really hope server meshing brings in a new era of performance and long term stability for the servers.
they have to make it where you can log off and on in the same area for those capital ships to be used 100% imagine logging in and a night crew getting off and another crew logging in taking roles over and also being in a whole different area the next day, trusting that the other people will keep the capital alive for when you log back in your still "home" that would be cool, until then its too time costly to crew capitals all day everyday with a team. ill keep using my polaris solo for now.
That would be awesome.
Yeah, going to need the good amount of people to crew all of this stuff for the Star Wars level hopium battles.
When I heard them talking about this in IAE episode 2 , it went kind of under the radar first but I finally caught them actually having a game plan for this now. We were always playing XT and arlington gang with this idea that captial ship battle was already awesome because we needed to be able to orient ourselves in a pretty tight space around the ship without crashing into eachother and focus on the shields. And that was already awesome, but there are going to be so much more layers to it when the fully physicalized maelstrom, engineering and physical item behavior is added to it. Great stuff! Also for pvp players who will have to keep their capital ship operational if it isn't an AI ship.
You got it!
I think once they enable (if they go this route) other players to create contracts that other people can accept that will add alot to the game. You wanna hire a crew for your capitol ship? Throw out a contract or two requesting engineering support. Want to try a large scale mining or salvage operation? Make some contracts. Obviously for larger scale endeavors they will need to scale up some stuff but I can see it being a viable option to breathe more life into the game and give people more opportunities to engage with others in positive ways. I am curious and excited (though I keep myself grounded it is SC here lol) about the future of the game moving forward.
I imagine that Chris R wants to play his game solo at some point, so solo will definitely be viable is almost every scenario.
They added NPC led dungeons in WoW, so basically it's just Raids now. FF14 has NPC dungeons and Raids.
I feel like ships should have berthing for 20% more people to accommodate guards and engineers.
I'm also hoping we get a capital class snare ship, Drake Leviathan would be cool.
If the questions is can SC pull X off.
The answer is always: No
@20:20 - I think large fleet battles can be organized by simply having filters. For example, a filter to see only capital ships, another for enemy bombers, and another for enemy fighters. To make things even more fun, scout ships like the terrapin can scan all the enemy ships as they come in-range and feed that info back to the fleet, so each player does not have to manually scan every ship. Furthermore, the holo globe map should be customizable so you only see ships within a certain range. Now the entire battle can be broken down into different categories of threats. And just like in the RL, a fleet admiral can give general orders to a group of ships and let the ship captains manage the battle in their immediate area. I think this is the direction CIG is going and it will make the game fun because everyone does not have to worry about everything going on all at once, they only have to focus on their immediate surroundings.
Capital ship PVE missions. I think this would be a good opportunity to expand on instanced servers. A solo player mission could take them to an disabled Javelin or a Polaris sending out a distress call. When the player lands, they actually switch to an instanced server which is the entire ship. Here they could interact with an NPC crew to do repairs, or man a turret or fight a boarding party, etc... Once the mission is complete, they get back in their ship and leave - back to the PU.
Those new Party Tools should help with these events a lot, so much fun as a group, but daunting as a solo. Great discussion! ❤
Im not sure why every time soloing multicrew ships is brought up - Some content creators and the PvP crew seem to think that doing so means solo'ers expect to be just as effective. No one really believes or is expecting that. These people are not dense. They most likely are not into PvPing and that sort of thing. They want to game PvE wise and engage in NPC conflicts. No one is expecting to own other players solo in their 3K Javelin. This narrative is over blown.
That's where you're actually wrong..
Solo players are just crybabies
@@matteobarbarini3120I think you have lost the plot mate and need to go touch grass. A lot of solo players are people with lives who are not looking to make this into a job or a hobby or join your little club. Some people just want to log on look at their ship , maybe do a mission or two and then go log off and play with their kids or take their wife out to dinner. I’m sorry that infuriates you personally but I am sure you will live. I could say the same thing about people who fish , and what a waste of time I think it is , but I am sure you would disagree.
@@matteobarbarini3120 ohh look another no brain idiot. Why are solo players crybabies? They bought thousand-dollar ships, and they dont need to let a nobody like you into it? Most backers in the begging were solo and small crew people and they were looking foward to having bigger ships as their base. Only crybabies I hear are the new players crying that they should be let into the bigger ships that other people spent thousands on.
@@yulfine1688 No hes actually right, that argument has been made over and over by single players. They bought the ships and CIG has to make it available for them to play it. there not into the heavy combat pvp but would like to have one as a personal base they can use on a daily. Kraken for example, and having npc or blades to crew turrents to help you protect it while you are away or flying somewhere else is all some solo players want
Having seen the fixes since September, my attitude is turning positive towards CIG now, which is a lot for a previously very jaded Year 1 backer who turned 40 this year.
Just think we can start taking back territory from the Vanduul, as soon as Nyx is in ...
As we can send patrols out to have PVE battles.
A corvette is the smallest class of Capital Ships. Then its followed by Frigate Light, Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser, Battlecruiser, Battleship, Escort Carrier, Fleet Carrier, and then Dreadnought. These classes are based on real Navy class of ships and have been pretty well defined among numerous Sci-Fi IP's over the years. Expect a LOT more capital class ships to come down the road.
Looking it up it seems the title for a "Capital Ship" (coined in 1909) is a Military vessel of WWI and II was with large caliber guns and heavy armor protection (battleships and battlecruisers/heavy cruisers), though in WWII the aircraft carrier was considered a capital ship, but Cruisers, despite being important ships, were not considered capital ships.
I feel that the most capable defensive and offensive, Military ships that also can command a fleet of ships should be classified as a "Capital Ship".
With that, technically an 890 Jump shouldn't be a capital ship, but in command of an "Exploration Fleet" may be the loophole. ;-)
Capital ships will make more sense when base building becomes common place. A Capital ship is designed to project power, so when your base ((land or space) becomes pretty sizable, you can use a Capital ship to invade other org bases.
It's THIS & literally so much more 😭
Folks don't understand these damn caps are USELESS without a logistics train from base to station to ship. It's impossible. Your javelin will run the hell out of fuel & you'll be a dead stick. A $3,000 dead stick. A 450M UEC dead stick.
Also when I say fuel. I mean as vaguely as possible. Fuel for your QT drive, fuel for your hydrogen tank, fuel for your life support systems. FUEL. WILL. BE. DETRIMENTAL. TO. CAP. SHIPS. hahahahaha it's so much. I really do not think 75% of pledgers for Idris's & up understand the vassstttt gaming project they spent 1500-3500 dollars on.
The problem with Capital Ships is that everyone thinks they have the talent to be the captain and if they own the ship, believe that they SHOULD be the captain.
Everyone wants to be Picard and nobody wants to be Reg Barclay, but most people should know their limits and take the crew position.
I would follow a GOOD Captain, with a GOOD helmsman and bridge crew.
Unfortunately, you can spend your session grinding only to lose it all because the person in command is not the best person to do it.
And that is why this while "crew for stupid manual labour" won't work. You can find a pilot and a gunner for your Mi-28 in every game, know why? Both positions rock. But you cannot find people to make coffe in your battleship, it's not hard to understand WHY.
Yes anyone who spent thousands on a ship will always be captain. unless an org has them and gives the roles out with the ship.
Typically by a definition the most valuable ship in a fleet is the capital ship. Be that a battleship or a carrier. Cruisers destroyers frigates are not capital ships unless for some strange reason one of them is the largest and most important ship in the fleet. :-)
The more indepth technical it gets, the more rewarding it will become. That demands skill and time to be mastered, which will give players a lot of options. Perfect in my eyes
Every scifi fan will come to play for sure
If they do a group find, they should also include certain roles that needs to be filled. That way, the person joining the group knows their main duty. If that position doesn't get filled by a player, npc will fill that role.
Reclaimer is a Capital now, it got S4 Shields, Powerplant and Cooler. The Stretchgoal was 4,5million for a new class "Star Citizen will feature an additional playable ship class, the cruiser." which is still missing.
21:00 Server meshing only improves server performence but not game performence, thats a different story. even if server meshing would be perfect they still need to optimize the game.
it does help with client performance as well but the total value if much less than optimization of the game etc, its an alpha optimizations won't start happening until closer to 1.0 launch in 4-6 years and as such at least 2 years away before we start to see much larger improvements.
Hundreds of people in a ship doing WHAT? Man, those people must live in another planet, this is NOT REAL LIFE. Nobody will spend their days washing the ground.
Yeah, some players, maybe 10 if the ship is huge? MAYBE. And just MAYBE, remember even in games like older battlefield entries of Planetside 2 there are no vehicles that require more than 5 crew and there is a REASON for that, players just won't do it for a long time.
I completely agree. I bet that big orgs could only bring out a javelin and man it with a LOT of players for small periods of time like 2-4 hours. there is no way anyone can schedule around 100 or so people with no lives to play on a javelin to man it 24/7. most people can't even get 5-6 people together to play DND for 1-2 hours once a week.
@@grimneeldrakia7173 And that assuming the technomagic "server meshing" even works well enough to allow 200+ players in the combat area, the ONLY game what I know is capable to do so is planetside and it has REALLY simple graphics, weapons and vehicles.
@@Tentacl BattleBit remastered allows 200+ people on each server. and that game doesn't simulate as much as planetside either
Just have to look at how EVEonline handles its ping systems during nullsec attacks, more often then not its a slideshow of inane boredom with FCs designating targets and even then EVE has the advantage that traversing that universe is fairly simple.
Atm it can take most players 20-30 minutes to gear up pick their ship and fly to do 1 task in 1 system. Star citizen is fun as hell but this desire to have ships entirely crewed by players is a folly and I don't even care or want npc crew, but of they don't get npc crew working the casuals that keep games afloat will leave.
And THIS is why NPC will be REQUIRED. You can get folks like the ones in this video to wake up and understand this, because they are living in fantasy land. Crewing ships for days works in real life because those people are slaves. They HAVE to be there. The military owns them. Nobody is going to volunteer to be crew for hours and hours in your ship. Never going to happen. People need to wake up. Requiring human crew will kill these ships.
Maybe capital ships can use the holotable to mark targets for rest of the fleet. Could have UI there to select targets easier. In EVE we had someone in chat calling out targets to concentrate fire, then you had to find it from the list.
We can already mark targets with numbers in SC so that just has to be made better for fleet battles.
I love the news. But as An 890 owner i hate that it is roped into the weird state when in actuality. It's just as much a capital ship as any other. The design philosophy for the 890 is that is is bleeding edge technology. It SHOULD have Best in class shields and components: best in class handling and come factory with blades installed. But have half the armor of military vessels. And smaller weapon hardpoints. I just wish they mentioned the niche the 890 has and give it some real use case other than being pirate fodder. Or idris food. I'm not asking for it to be able to go broadside with an Idris. However if i have 6 friends on board and is loaded with cargo, loot, and vehicles it should not go down in a single pass from another cap ship or even a few larger ships. If the Idris has a size 10 railgun, and the polaris has torps, the 890 should atleast be Automated with blades
The 890 is a large, luxury space yacht. Not a warship, not cutting edge technology. It's a space limo... The hot tub and bar should have clued you in. It's a poncy party boat.
@whatever-w5n that doesn't mean it should be a pinata for any S4 ship and above. In a universe where vanduul attack indiscriminately and pirates and militias are everywhere it would make sense that Origin would spare no expense in defense. Also from a gameplay perspective. If the 890 was nothing but a frivolous Luxury item then why does the 600i have some of the highest alpha damage and hull armor in it's class? and an on board armory, tank garage, and a medbay. Origin isn't just a luxury company. They make some of the most rugged ships with graphene coated glax plated armor. They ARE cutting edge.
You'll have to co-ordinate a bunch of fighters to get close to a capital ship to distract the PDCs when you're ready to fire torpedos
Ship class nomenclature does exist and the definitions are semi flexible depending on what generation we are talking. CIG DO NOT USE existing IRL ship classification conventions. Their naming means nothing, they just using the term Capital to sell ships. The history of the term "Capital" regarding ships is interesting and I suggest taking a look at.
Superb and nuanced discussion :)
Pirate swarm helps shows fleet battle from an NPC pov, game can handle that process but with players not sure how it will perform.
Bear in mind the original concept for this game was not an MMO. Originally it was privately held servers they would have one master server that would be that whatever, cuz one of the backer levels included in an entire modding manual written by the devs. So capital ships were going to be different than they are now for sure and all large class ships from cutters frigates up
when is a ship to big to not be able to crew enough people into it, this is what will give real power to orgs.
I think their capital definition at the moment is leaning into ships with capital class components
Listening to this I keep thinking how prior to battle planning (tactics, coordination and communication between ships), during battle coordination (between turrets), communication (between turrets and CIC), and especially situational awareness in a 3D environment (evasive maneuvers/bring weapons to bare, threat assessment), needs to be practiced.
As a solo player I'm trying (between updates and wipes) to establish my character (Tarn Kallwyn) as a "Civilian, Independent Contractor" (key words; "Civilian" and "Independent") with a variety of ships for whatever job is out there for a "Spacer" (not a spacer)?
I'm still waiting for the refitted 600i? ;-)
gunship missions, ground assaults and eliminations. transport escort, search and rescue.
Thing is after carriers get in the game a lot of these ships can do medical rescue.
Capital ships do not exist without a fleet to support them. A Capital ships role is to command the fleet and is often the ship gosling the Fleet Commander. The term Capital literally means Head.
I agree with the doubts about cap ship combat, sounds way too cinematic. In the end gamers are going to be gamers which means they absolutely will not do what CIG imagines, but what will yield the best results. If ramming 10 auroras into the enemy cap ship is faster than shutting down their defenses one by one, then people will do that. That's just the reality of gaming.
Also I'm not sure this layered "puzzle" type of gameplay is very fun. Having 2 or more cap ships duking it out with each other sounds way more cinematic and fun than doing all those steps to take down a cap ship.
To put it in the words of ken watanabe: "let them fight!"
The more I think about it, the more I feel like this game will be impossible, like base building, just look at the base they showed at citizen Con with massive bases and tons of people flying around, that might work with 1 base but imagine 1000 bases like that and how impossible it would be for the server to load all that information and the same goes with massive fleet battles with capital ships and 1000 players, and not just 1 massive battle but multiple battles over the entire server(s) and then add everything else people are doing on top of that. I feel this game is a game of dreams and not within the reality of what is possible.
Croncy! Standard or Commander?? If commander, what is your favorite commander?
Industrial Capital gameplay seems inverted from the Combat Capaitals in Star Citizen. The Industrial capital is basically independent and does not need fleet support.
Fascinating connection.
I like the idea of my reclaimer being self sustainable though. Besides fuel
25:30 Sorry, but that is just not how it works and how it will work out: 1st: you dont need MM to get smaller ships/fighters in the turrets crosshair. In fact without Master Modes a capital ship could "force" the fighters into that simply by moving and moving fast. Now WITH Master Modes this is simply not possible.... the fighters will swarm you, evade like crazy and never be able to be hit while dictating the entire fight. The capital can move, turn, roll as much as it wants, it will never outpace the fighters, no matter if we are talking about a Buccaneer or hevy Ares or Vanguard. I said it from day 1, Master Modes doomed capital ships and combat - also engineering won't change any of that (because thats just another layer).
And forgive my directness on this, but any serious analysis of the ships movement and combat dynamic would make this obvious, so please dont fall for Rich's mind-castels - and thats also an impression I get more with every interview: Rich has no idea what he is talking about... all he does is "selling a vision" made up 5 mins before the show without any second thought on how it actually plays.2nd: and thats following the topic from 43:00 This also wont work... it simply leads to another situation of capitals being useless if it still NEEDS the fighters... just bring only fighters then. Or the capital ships gets so powerfull that fighters dont do much... but then, what are we talking about? The entire concept doesnt make sense anymore.
Corvette
Frigate
Destroyer
Cruiser
Battleship
forgot carrier
For most solo players the end game ship is a medium ship.
they said that the polaris is a similar experience like the hammerhead but with bigger guns. the truth is tho the hammerhead has MORE turret dps than a polaris. remember when they said: "we are looking at upgunning the polaris so its not just a torpedo boat, it can hold its own against other capital ships WITH ITS TURRETS!!" I do because i own one and they lied. not only less turret dps than a hammerhead, we can also run out of ammo because we can not restock the bespoke turret of the polaris from the inside. so two big L's for polaris owners.
I wonder how we are supposed to restock the turrets outside of hangars.
The bigger the capital ship the more usless it will become without npc crew
On the discussion what is a capital ship. CIG has not been consistent on the website it's called "The Polaris is a nimble corvette-class capital ship..." but ASOP calls it Capital. In my view Capital ship is any ship with Capital size components. A ship of certain value / number of crew would be protected by capital class components. Similarly, you can flip this the other way - as soon as you get a ship big enough to house capital class components, they will be big to require many more crew, have more features and be of higher value.
In my view Polaris is not big enough to be deemed as capital - it can be effectively run by relatively small crew, and CIG did not deem is "valuable" or "important" enough to protect it with Capital class shields or Hull strengths. It can't carry many fighters nor vehicles and has limited features.
Polaris should be in a corvette or maybe heavy corvette class (compared to a HH).
Um it has capital class shields.. and the shields were buffed so not sure what you're on about, its also huge around 170 meters or so, run with a small crew? AT minimum you need 4-6 players yes but you're not doing much with that, without a proper crew of at least 12 you're barley running the ship, and the only reason is because we don't have engineering etc in, once that happens running these ships with a handful of people isn't going to work very well, it is very much a capital class ship, it uses captial class components, and hull hp it has currently nearly 4 million or so ontop of the shields which were buffed to nearly 1 million hp, rebalancing will continue to change that the PDC's are definitely something else, it can carry a couple fighters or one larger fighter yes because its a patrol vessel, it runs in a fleet with other smaller ships and its the flagship of that patrol fleet, it doesn't need to carry 10 fighters, in fact that's not realistic not even the idris will carry that many most likely the javelin might and the bengal because its a carrier will along with things like the kraken.
@@yulfine1688 thanks i didn't realize there was a refactor on the components and other larger ships no longer have Capital Size components.
interesting note which might resolve this topic more accurately. S4 are the old "capital" size components therefore the ship Size is deemed as Capital (based on my initial comment), however the ship Role would be - Corvette, Destroyer, Frigate etc. The role would be a more accurate way to define based on how many crew it's performance and role in the fleet.
So you would be fielding several capital sized ships, but the composition of a fleet would be dictated by the various roles. eg. 5 corvettes for every 2 destroyers which would be for every 1 javelin. This is talking hypothetical future fleet battles mentioned in the CIG video.
Thanks for you feedback and i stand corrected on the sizeing.
The real world naval definition is along the lines of “a leading or primary ship within a fleet”. At least the United States Navy
Obviously star citizen is a bit more lenient with the label I just wanted to add a real world use of the term
Should there be missions for Capital ships? Or just player driven stuff to deal with resources and base-building?
yes there absolutely should be missions that are based on having players with capital ships..so i would like to see regular missions like destroy a rogue polaris in game not just as special events
The Kraken is the best industrial capital ship.
Star Citizen is more what iT 'could be' and a tech demo along the way. Its really not compared to a game such as Elite or EVE.
I want to fight off Kingship fleets for bounties, salvage, and reputation.
I been telling people soloing on a capital ship will not be an attractive adventure for most even with an npc crew
I’m happy with people have content for only orgs . But I would really hate to see rewards or items (gear ) that can not be obtained . Best in slot should not be only for orgs .
You mean the RSI Pegasus @ 10:00?
The current logout mechanics are not compatible with large multi-crew game play.
CIG please set up instance missions, siege of orison Groups of 12 or more join together and complete each level to open next level. EZ done everyone wins.
Capital gameplay means you have enough capital to spend on the pledge store 😂
36:28 booooooooooo
As someone who likes to solo woth the reclaimer, i am under no delusions that, that will last. Nor will i be nearly as efficient as player crewed reclaimer when ai blades come out. I just don't trust any of you. Until the game moves away from shoot 1st, with laughable reprocussions for it. Going to stay solo till friends join.
Croncy the aussie goat
Soloing a ship does not mean you’re a solo player? I wish people would stop trying to put people into a box.
Two friends each want to fly a Scorpius with a blade or npc gunner in the back? Are they solo.
Four friends want to operate an Idirs and 3 fighters with the help of blades and npcs are they solo.
I don’t know how many times CIG need to tell us that NPCs and Blades will be a thing and all ships will be able to be operated that way even if it is less efficient or more costly but still completely viable.
To bad Croncy 😊
The distinction between a Capital Ship and a Corvette primarily lies in their size, role, and operational capabilities. Here’s a breakdown:
Capital Ship
Definition: A large, powerful vessel that serves as the backbone of a fleet, often commanding smaller ships.
Roles:
Command and control of fleet operations.
Long-range firepower.
Carrier duties (e.g., deploying fighters, bombers).
Heavy defense and resilience in battles.
Strategic and logistical support (e.g., repair facilities, supply storage).
Examples:
Battleships
Aircraft carriers
Dreadnoughts
Heavy cruisers
Size and Armament:
Massive size (hundreds to thousands of meters in length).
Equipped with heavy weapons (e.g., large turrets, missile batteries).
Advanced shields and armor.
Crew: Requires large crews, often numbering in the thousands.
Cost and Resources: Expensive to build and maintain.
Also most Capital ships serve as flagships or command ships in a fleet. They act as the backbone of military operations.
Corvette
Definition: A small, fast, and maneuverable ship designed for specific tasks, typically operating independently or as part of smaller groups.
Roles:
Patrol and escort.
Reconnaissance and scouting.
Anti-piracy and customs enforcement.
Support roles in fleet actions (e.g., screening larger ships, anti-fighter defense).
Examples:
Small patrol ships
Escort vessels
Size and Armament:
Much smaller than capital ships (typically 50-200 meters in length).
Light to moderate weaponry (e.g., point-defense systems, smaller turrets).
Less durable armor and shields compared to capital ships.
Crew: Smaller crews, often under 100 personnel.
Cost and Resources: Relatively inexpensive and easier to produce.
Croncy seems clueless about solo players. Solo players and small teams will make up 70% of the player base. It's an MMO for solo and small tribes, especially since the scope of the game is so massive!"
He sounds clueless about a lot. These people just make up their own garbage. For example: CIG has made clear what ships are capital and which aren’t. According to CIG, corvettes are the smallest capital ship. Followed by frigates, and then destroyers. This is clearly lined out by CIG. How do they have content channels and not know this? They just make shit up.
IMO most streamers are like this.
They never spend time in a discord with five regulars. They never want to log in months from an event and can't get a single person to hop in game with them.
Hell, Inforunners regularly recommend buying the largest ship of a particular profession that you can afford, and then using that to earn all the smaller ships... By myself? Start off in a reclaimer alone to earn myself a vulture? With what rep? With what money to even run a huge ship?
Just a perspective they lack.
That's one of the things that Burns me about all these streamers they Brant and rave and scream aboutsolo players existing in an MMO. Refusing to believe that they are the only ones that can get away with not having a job to afford to be able to play said MMO. A job which by its very description says that you're away from your computer for anywhere from 8 to 12 and in some people's cases 16 hours a day. And that's just the job that doesn't include coming home to cook clean shower sleep and Spend time with family if you have one. Take World of Warcraft for instance for all the crying these people do about it being such an ease of access game that caters to solo players. they fail to see the reason why it has stayed alive for so long when all its competition aside from a few very specific titles are long gone!
all three of you clearly misunderstand literally everything they were saying. there will ALWAYS be aspects of games that you will not experience unless you dedicate time. thats how games are, especially online games. We also arent even close to a game yet so your takes that "streamers" dont understand is misguided. World of Warcraft is a COMPLETE game with years of time of adding and modifying the game. I believe whenever SC becomes a game there will be enough features and things happening that can enable someone to experience things with others or alone. but its simply logic that small groups will succeed over solo people. and people who have real life things as we all do, will play in their slot and thats it. if that still irritates you no man sky is still available lol.
“I the solo player do self declare myself as the most important of your players because of our perceived self importance. You will bow down to us and completely change how the game is designed” “I’m not arrogant at all “
Your going to need AI crew to crew capital ships that is onething will be a must.
Yup
Thx god we do not have this shit 💩 of ai crew yet
Still waiting for people to wake up and realize this fact.
Croncy!!! Yaaay
890J is a capital ship
Capital gameplay is not amazing. Correction on the title. Sorry but master modes coupled with bad game mechanics makes this whole system a failure. I am no longer confident in the teams ability to make this game.
So you're one of the ones that came figure out how to win with MasterModes huh? LMAO
@@johnzoidberg1160 what? You trying to flex? White knight in the house.
I still don't know how they plan to make multicrew gameplay actually fun for ships with a lot of stations. "Solving a puzzle" in capital gameplay sounds nice at first, but when you have 20 gunners, none of them is doing that.
When you have large crews, the stations become insignificant and will be boring to operate on the long run. So how many significant stations will there actually be on a capital ship? I would assume that the number levels quite fast and you probably only have a hand full of people manning the biggest turrets or overseeing just a single station for engineering and gun batteries while the guns itself would be controlled by npcs. I mean we have ships with 14, 28 or up to 65 "crew" capacity. I can only see maybe 5 or 6 stations being actually fun on the long run. No matter the size of the ship.
I feel like the engineering system is going to break the game and make it unfun.
About one thing we can be sure - what they want to do and what they will ACTUALLY do will be completely different.
So are they not going to be adding npc crew anymore?
NOTHING is fun with 20 frames and lags
cig has terrible programmer
1st comment XD