My wife and i are newbies. It's great to have found your channel. We are actually in NW Arkansas but not full-time RV'ers. Watching this video, you can see the excitement of the new truck and trailer. How did you not spill the beans?
We have a 202 397th. Our door at the water bay is warped. It's the second door that has. Now, the one on the opposite side is warped. The front door is really hard to close. Master floor squeaks. Ours sits most of the time in covered storage. The farthest we have gone is from Nampa, ID to Creede, CO.
Key take away for me. Grand Design does have Frame Flex, but they stood behind it. You see an opportunity and are willing to take the chance. to improve your community. More work ahead. OK I'm in! Lets see where we go from here, and maybe a glimpse of where you were years ago. Can't wait. Good tease!
Followed you since the start. We loved your floorplan from your videos and in April of 21' we decided to sell it all. Ordered our 395MS and it arrived in August. Here we sit also with frame flex and waiting to be scheduled for our Elkhart appointment. GD has so far been great to us. Can't wait to hear your updates and how your repairs went! It's our home and mildly worried about the future. Lots of prayers in this house!
I'm not able to travel but I go on all your adventures...thank you for including those of us who are not able to travel and hike with you. I love your message and am excited to see what you're doing this next year! You came to my town, but I didn't know until I watched the episode. I will pay better attention this year. Merry Christmas and have a blessed year!
So sorry to see you have the flex too. GD fixed ours in Texas. Still waiting on our slide to be fixed that broke….been waiting since October. And taking off your decals?? Wow guys!! Hope to see you again soon. Bryan is still talking about getting his one wheel. ❤
Well while Todd was learning to ride his one wheel we think he tore something in his knee - so a quick meniscus repair is on the calendar in 2024 , so maybe keep Bryan in the Tiki Hut lol --- Hope to see you in 2024 somewhere!
Based on what we see in this video I think I we know one major change you guys have coming down the line. Please consider the MORryde independent suspension and disc brakes. It is night and day and even though we also have frame flex (repair 4/22/24) in our 395ms-r, we definitely feel that and the Gen-Y Executive pin box has minimize the damage from the frame flex. Even the SRT team liked our Gen-Y. So, we hope for you guys, no more leaf springs, let alone LCI leaf springs (poor quality steel). Also check into the Goodyear G114 tires for any 3-axle trailer. Another huge difference. Super excited for you guys and hope to see you at the Tampa show. -Pete & Lisa
Looking forward to possibly meeting you in Tampa. Very excited to see what’s coming up in 2024. Hope you can come up to Canada some time we’d love to show you guys around our part of the Canadian Rockies.
Keep Going Forward!!! Yes, we have been watching for year's now and truly appreciate your sharing. Hope you can afford sharing your year's to come on the road. Truly amazing and you deserve a big thanks for all your sharing over the years! You have worked hard for it and it shows, not to mention all the happiness you bring to other's in the rv world! Yes, awesome stuff, please don't stop now.... lol. Thanks again for all you do!
Can’t wait for New York. The last 2 huddles we where at was amazing.. last time my wife and I saw you guys was Michigan.. hard to wait.. but all good .. we miss the crew ..
Well then 😊😊😊 Just when ya think ya got it all figured out...BAM We are at Tampa looking for the perfect toyhaulsr for us. So maybe we will hear or see the news Who ever new that an RV show could be so friggin busy Merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄 On best wishes for 2024
Glad to see you’re continuing to grow and not go away. I have good memories of seeing you at Hershey in 21 goofing around with Jim and Kellie. Be safe and Merry Christmas.
My wife Lori and I just love watching "all the things " ! Lol we just bought an older class a motorhome and hope to go full time soon we are looking in to trying to make a huddle this year???? Love you guys! Can't wait to see what new adventure is next!
I’m surprised you pulled the decal off the front with the logo on it. I can understand maybe changing the sides but anyway, change is not always easy and it is bittersweet to see familiar things go. I am downsizing again also. Moving from a 28 foot travel trailer that was stationary to my 21 QB, 23 foot class C so I can live in it. I can’t believe I had so much stuff in that trailer. It has been difficult choosing to take only what I need now and Letting go is definitely freeing. I hope you have a merry Christmas with your family and continue to have safe and fun travels. 💕
I hope the problems are mainly contained within certain years and from what I’ve seen so far 21-22 and the years. I have gone through the same problems with a KZ Venom which had frame flex. Most every unit in 16-17 and some of 2018 went back to the factory to get repaired. When mine was in the shop there were 7 others getting the same treatment and several more outside.
Please do a video of the frame and or repairs. We also have a Grand Design. But its Solitude 310 so several feet shorter but probably the same frame manufacturer. Safe travels!
All but 3 manufacturers use Lippert frames. Unless you are purchasing an Airstream, a Luxe, A New Horizon, or really going big with a Space Craft, you are rolling on a Lippert frame.
We just got back from our second trip from the west coast to the East coast and I think a lot of the problems are the highways. 80% of the highways we traveled were beyond horrible. I just grit my teeth and check the rearview mirror to see if the trailer is still in one piece. Checking spring, axles and lug nuts every day.
Each huddle is different as each park chooses how they want to handle reservations- so the SC huddle is the ticket from us which includes several meals and activities and then you will receive an email with the process for getting your site or cabin.
Oh John you have been silent for so long- I was almost afraid your deep level of sarcasm had left our comments but nope here you are - so glad to have you back!
They had frame flex and breakage over the axles on the crossmembers. Yours looks to be in the front. I’ve got a set of Sumo Springs sitting in the shop and I’ve been digesting everyone else’s experiences with them. Will have to do something with them this week as we’re going to Florida next week.
It’s amazing how Grand Design will go out of there way to help those who have RUclips channels but if you are a nobody forget it. Grand Design had great customer service up to about three years ago. Now it appears since the last original founder of the company left there business model has gone down hill.
Ummm... they don't know we have a channel. Also refused to help with our rear patio door from water damage... so we are paying to have replaced. No special favors for us either. Just want our rv back to normal.
Hdt. I picked up a old smart car under 10k miles …. Kinda useless. I’m a class a guy. But the smart car is fun to drive . Paddle shift on the steering shell. … my wife and I call it zippy…. :)
Your getting a different rig huh? Cause choking up taking off the green stickers doesn’t make any sense to me, n why taking the green off? 🍻(edit: crossing ‘t’s n dotting ‘i’s? 😳…..aaaah huh 🤔) 🍻
Avoid the mooch docking family of Status Quo and Comfort Zone. Their daughter Perfectionism comes along too and occasionally her child Procrastination. When that mooch docking family visits they wear out their welcome fast but most folks do not ask them to leave. Think on this!
I’m sorry to say, but way too many of those fifth wheels and frame and other problems. They really need to step up their engineering and the quality during assembly.
I think it's weight distribution on these larger units. A lot of them have the same frame but with varied floorplans, lengths and weight distribution, they have different stress points. The 390RK has lots of problems - so much weight in the rear with kitchen and basement storage.
From what I've read, the trailer manufacturers send the floor-plan designs to the frame manufacturers and they build the frames. What they don't send are the weight specifications. I suspect that the frames are too light for the loads they are carrying. As @timaz1066 said, it is definitely an engineering problem but one founded on weight issues. The problem lies in the trailers getting bigger and bigger but the weights need to remain low enough so they are towable with 3/4 and 1-ton pickup trucks. Just looking at these rigs on the highway you can't help but wonder how these things don't fly apart. With full-time RVers, the vibration, and torsional forces on the trailers probably exceed the design specifications because the trailers were only designed for occasional use not constant travel year round. Throw in slide outs and the stresses on the body and frames really change, especially with large slide outs. Yes, the stresses have been modeled but how far? I wonder when the frame flex issues actually appeared. I suspect it's been an issue for more than 25 years.
Dude, I was typing the last comment and heard you tear up removing your stickers are you going through man-o-pause. I've heard It can make you emotional. LOL, jk
Dang, not another!!!!!! I'm so sorry you are being screwed by GD, too. Y'all need to get in on a lawsuit, because the lemons are piling up. Greedy humans suck!!!!!!!
I cant believe people are still buying grand design because its obvious that the "grand" in grand design isnt in regards to the design, its the additional grands that you will be spending. These trailers that are experiencing this so called frame flex should be being taken to the junk yard instead of being repaired. I sure hope the DOT gets involved with these frames before one of these frames end up killing innocent people.
These frames are built by Lippert and Grand Design is not the only mfg that has had this issue. We are thankful that they are going to warranty the issue and get it fixed. Thanks for watching the journey
@SwitchItUpLife. I get that the frames are built by Lippert, but the final product is still a Grand Design, and they are still using these Lippert frames after knowing there is an issue. It's happening frequently enough that the DOT needs to get involved, and these frames should not be allowed to be repaired and remain on the road. I also have to wonder why yours was warranted, but the bucket list's wasn't. I don't know if his was older than yours or not.
I had a 2017 KZ Venom with the same issues that they resolved internally. Isn’t just a GD issue. Bucket list guy has his own set of issues that help lead up to why his warranty ended. He seems to have quite a bit of bad luck.
Sorry guys. Sadly the frame flex is the product of negligent engineering. It's rampant in Grand Design fifth wheels. They will patch it up and say that it's fixed but the truth is the frame flex will come back. It is inherent in the design and cannot be fix properly without redesigning the entire front end. Don't mean to be bearer of bad news. Just being real. There are a ton of YT videos with the same problem.
Rampant in Grand Design? You do realize all but 3 manufacturers use the same frames? Or.....obviously you don't! They have traveled nearly 40K miles in 3 years! that's more travel than 99.9% of RVs see in 2 lifetimes. Yes, we live and travel full time in a GD fifth.
@@rexchilders2265 I had a new 2019 Grand Design Reflection in 2018. It was a worthless POS. I got rid of it after three years due to substandard design, shoddy assembly, and poor customer service. I could write a dissertation on all the problems I had with the rig. I'll spare you the details and just call it for what it was, a POS.
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God has a BIG plan for you guys! See you soon!
May the Lord continue to be a blessing to you as you prepare for what 2024 will bring.🙏🏽❤️
My wife and i are newbies. It's great to have found your channel. We are actually in NW Arkansas but not full-time RV'ers. Watching this video, you can see the excitement of the new truck and trailer. How did you not spill the beans?
Let's go 2024 can't come soon enough. Love the crew!!
We are preping to go full time and watching you guys helps us to dream about our retirement on the road and want to meet you guys on the road soon.
We have a 202 397th. Our door at the water bay is warped. It's the second door that has. Now, the one on the opposite side is warped. The front door is really hard to close. Master floor squeaks. Ours sits most of the time in covered storage. The farthest we have gone is from Nampa, ID to Creede, CO.
Key take away for me. Grand Design does have Frame Flex, but they stood behind it. You see an opportunity and are willing to take the chance. to improve your community. More work ahead. OK I'm in! Lets see where we go from here, and maybe a glimpse of where you were years ago. Can't wait. Good tease!
Followed you since the start. We loved your floorplan from your videos and in April of 21' we decided to sell it all. Ordered our 395MS and it arrived in August. Here we sit also with frame flex and waiting to be scheduled for our Elkhart appointment. GD has so far been great to us. Can't wait to hear your updates and how your repairs went! It's our home and mildly worried about the future. Lots of prayers in this house!
Oh my - change is so hard, but God is with us every step of the way.
I'm not able to travel but I go on all your adventures...thank you for including those of us who are not able to travel and hike with you. I love your message and am excited to see what you're doing this next year! You came to my town, but I didn't know until I watched the episode. I will pay better attention this year. Merry Christmas and have a blessed year!
Wow. You two scared me!! I hope to catch up to you this year again. Happy Holidays.
So sorry to see you have the flex too. GD fixed ours in Texas. Still waiting on our slide to be fixed that broke….been waiting since October. And taking off your decals?? Wow guys!! Hope to see you again soon. Bryan is still talking about getting his one wheel. ❤
Well while Todd was learning to ride his one wheel we think he tore something in his knee - so a quick meniscus repair is on the calendar in 2024 , so maybe keep Bryan in the Tiki Hut lol --- Hope to see you in 2024 somewhere!
Based on what we see in this video I think I we know one major change you guys have coming down the line. Please consider the MORryde independent suspension and disc brakes. It is night and day and even though we also have frame flex (repair 4/22/24) in our 395ms-r, we definitely feel that and the Gen-Y Executive pin box has minimize the damage from the frame flex. Even the SRT team liked our Gen-Y.
So, we hope for you guys, no more leaf springs, let alone LCI leaf springs (poor quality steel). Also check into the Goodyear G114 tires for any 3-axle trailer. Another huge difference.
Super excited for you guys and hope to see you at the Tampa show. -Pete & Lisa
It’s so different to see Switch It Up not being GREEN 💚💚💚💚! A bit sad to see the change. However, I look forward to seeing what’s next.
I’m with dad …. I’m crying. It’s so sad to see the green come off the rig. Can’t wait to see what 2024 has in store! So proud of you ♥️
Cant wait to see what's next. I'm sure it will be better !
TAKE CARE and HAPPY HOLIDAYS to ALL
Can't wait to see your new rig/set up. And "all the things" God has planned ~ ROMANS 8:28 Merry CHRISTmas from Vinnie, Wanda, Piper & Jackson
What an emotional journey! We can't wait to see what's next! Miss you guys!
Can't wait to see what 24 brings!!!
Looking forward to possibly meeting you in Tampa. Very excited to see what’s coming up in 2024. Hope you can come up to Canada some time we’d love to show you guys around our part of the Canadian Rockies.
Totally teared up when you guys got emotional!!!!
Keep Going Forward!!!
Yes, we have been watching for year's now and truly appreciate your sharing. Hope you can afford sharing your year's to come on the road. Truly amazing and you deserve a big thanks for all your sharing over the years!
You have worked hard for it and it shows, not to mention all the happiness you bring to other's in the rv world!
Yes, awesome stuff, please don't stop now.... lol.
Thanks again for all you do!
Can’t wait to see the changes. Hoping to see everyone in 2024.
Can’t wait to see what God has planned for you and the crew !!
Excited to see you "Switch it up" in 2024 and beyond! Merry Christmas!
So excited for the movement in 2024!!! Switch It Up and Hold on 💚💚💚
Can’t wait I remember the day y’all wrapped Fiona & shrek. Can’t wait to see what y’all have planned for next year.
Can’t wait for New York. The last 2 huddles we where at was amazing.. last time my wife and I saw you guys was Michigan.. hard to wait.. but all good .. we miss the crew ..
Oh the cliffhanger, can’t wait to see you next month and hear what’s coming up.
The color change made me cry but I’m so excited to see where this all goes. ♥️
Merry Christmas and have a happy new year we will see you soon.
Beautiful moment and blessed to have met and become family over those 3 years! 💚
Well then 😊😊😊
Just when ya think ya got it all figured out...BAM
We are at Tampa looking for the perfect toyhaulsr for us.
So maybe we will hear or see the news
Who ever new that an RV show could be so friggin busy
Merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄
On best wishes for 2024
Oh I see a new rig coming.
Glad to see you’re continuing to grow and not go away. I have good memories of seeing you at Hershey in 21 goofing around with Jim and Kellie. Be safe and Merry Christmas.
Good luck on the repair. I'm sure it will be fine.
My wife Lori and I just love watching "all the things " ! Lol we just bought an older class a motorhome and hope to go full time soon we are looking in to trying to make a huddle this year???? Love you guys! Can't wait to see what new adventure is next!
Looking forward to it, Merry Christmas
We are excited to see what's next! Merry Christmas to you and yours! With love and blessings! from Laurie and Rick
Excited to see what is next!
Can’t wait to see your Space craft build………..maybe the new Volvo HDT…….just stirring the possibilities
I'm thinking the same thing. Lol
I’m surprised you pulled the decal off the front with the logo on it. I can understand maybe changing the sides but anyway, change is not always easy and it is bittersweet to see familiar things go. I am downsizing again also. Moving from a 28 foot travel trailer that was stationary to my 21 QB, 23 foot class C so I can live in it. I can’t believe I had so much stuff in that trailer. It has been difficult choosing to take only what I need now and Letting go is definitely freeing. I hope you have a merry Christmas with your family and continue to have safe and fun travels. 💕
Sounds good guys ... Looking forward to see where we're heading !!! Merry Christmas and looking forward to the New Year !
Merry Christmas 🎄
Looking forward to 2024
Another awesome video. Thanks for sharing and look forward to seeing the changes.
Switch it Up=Constant Change. Looking forward to seeing the new "stuff".
I hope the problems are mainly contained within certain years and from what I’ve seen so far 21-22 and the years.
I have gone through the same problems with a KZ Venom which had frame flex. Most every unit in 16-17 and some of 2018 went back to the factory to get repaired. When mine was in the shop there were 7 others getting the same treatment and several more outside.
Please do a video of the frame and or repairs. We also have a Grand Design. But its Solitude 310 so several feet shorter but probably the same frame manufacturer. Safe travels!
All but 3 manufacturers use Lippert frames. Unless you are purchasing an Airstream, a Luxe, A New Horizon, or really going big with a Space Craft, you are rolling on a Lippert frame.
We just got back from our second trip from the west coast to the East coast and I think a lot of the problems are the highways. 80% of the highways we traveled were beyond horrible. I just grit my teeth and check the rearview mirror to see if the trailer is still in one piece. Checking spring, axles and lug nuts every day.
No more blue accent on inside wall, green wrap gone on outside. Definitely a new rig in my opinion. I'm thinking HDT and Luxe or Space craft.😂
Good luck guys!
Hey, you should come to Canada ( eastern part, Ontario, Quebec and the Matimes)
Were you able to find out if the frame flex is something all GD fifth wheel owners should expect, or was the issue a one off issue?
I seen Switch It Up plaque at Talona Rudge RV Resort
Isn't that cool? And what a beautiful resort!
@@SwitchItUpLife It is Been here since Dec 25th to Jan 3rd Will be back next year for sure.
Switch it up big !, get a Big truck !!!
Merry Christmas! See you in Tampa.
HDT and a SpaceCraft is my guess
Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas to you as well!
Great video!!
"To 2024 and Beyond!"
Lol Yes! Glad you are coming with!!
When I talked to you and Shiela at MoRryde you do not have the IS, I strongly suggest to get it.
Hi from the Bimber's
Question the SC huddle in April is the 626. For the camp sit as well or is there two charges
Each huddle is different as each park chooses how they want to handle reservations- so the SC huddle is the ticket from us which includes several meals and activities and then you will receive an email with the process for getting your site or cabin.
I was really hoping this was the end.
Oh John you have been silent for so long- I was almost afraid your deep level of sarcasm had left our comments but nope here you are - so glad to have you back!
Fiona looks so plain without her colors. Best wishes on your next chapter and Happy Holidays to you and your family!
Are you getting a HDT also?
Did anyone say anything about your Sumo springs?
We had frame issues prior to SS so that can’t be the root cause
They had frame flex and breakage over the axles on the crossmembers. Yours looks to be in the front. I’ve got a set of Sumo Springs sitting in the shop and I’ve been digesting everyone else’s experiences with them. Will have to do something with them this week as we’re going to Florida next week.
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Faith works best when you do not know. Im happy for y'all!!
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I predict a Luxe/Spacecraft trailer and an HDT Hauler in 2024!🎉😂
It’s amazing how Grand Design will go out of there way to help those who have RUclips channels but if you are a nobody forget it. Grand Design had great customer service up to about three years ago. Now it appears since the last original founder of the company left there business model has gone down hill.
Ummm... they don't know we have a channel. Also refused to help with our rear patio door from water damage... so we are paying to have replaced. No special favors for us either. Just want our rv back to normal.
@@SwitchItUpLife I am sure they know. They have a department that watches social media very closely. In fact, most corporations do nowadays.
Hdt. I picked up a old smart car under 10k miles …. Kinda useless. I’m a class a guy. But the smart car is fun to drive . Paddle shift on the steering shell. … my wife and I call it zippy…. :)
I really pray God allows us to meet one day
Should your Huge RV last 3yrs? Do you remodel your house every 3 years? 🤔
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I think HDT in your future 😂😂😂😂
Your getting a different rig huh? Cause choking up taking off the green stickers doesn’t make any sense to me, n why taking the green off? 🍻(edit: crossing ‘t’s n dotting ‘i’s? 😳…..aaaah huh 🤔) 🍻
Avoid the mooch docking family of Status Quo and Comfort Zone. Their daughter Perfectionism comes along too and occasionally her child Procrastination. When that mooch docking family visits they wear out their welcome fast but most folks do not ask them to leave. Think on this!
I was close ti buy a toy hauler GD big thank for youtuber my bucket list for frame flex now you never i will buy a GD never never!!!
I’m sorry to say, but way too many of those fifth wheels and frame and other problems. They really need to step up their engineering and the quality during assembly.
I think it's weight distribution on these larger units. A lot of them have the same frame but with varied floorplans, lengths and weight distribution, they have different stress points. The 390RK has lots of problems - so much weight in the rear with kitchen and basement storage.
That’s why I said engineering.@@Roadtripmischief
From what I've read, the trailer manufacturers send the floor-plan designs to the frame manufacturers and they build the frames. What they don't send are the weight specifications. I suspect that the frames are too light for the loads they are carrying. As @timaz1066 said, it is definitely an engineering problem but one founded on weight issues. The problem lies in the trailers getting bigger and bigger but the weights need to remain low enough so they are towable with 3/4 and 1-ton pickup trucks. Just looking at these rigs on the highway you can't help but wonder how these things don't fly apart. With full-time RVers, the vibration, and torsional forces on the trailers probably exceed the design specifications because the trailers were only designed for occasional use not constant travel year round. Throw in slide outs and the stresses on the body and frames really change, especially with large slide outs. Yes, the stresses have been modeled but how far? I wonder when the frame flex issues actually appeared. I suspect it's been an issue for more than 25 years.
Then you add in how well our roads are maintained and you can see how welds brake.@@robertcolpitts4534
Yikes, Shrek looks naked. 😉
Will we see a new name with new stickers???
That's what I was thinking too, along with new brand colors.
Dude, I was typing the last comment and heard you tear up removing your stickers are you going through man-o-pause. I've heard It can make you emotional. LOL, jk
You kind of look like the rest of us now….hurry and Todd it up….lol
Dang, not another!!!!!! I'm so sorry you are being screwed by GD, too. Y'all need to get in on a lawsuit, because the lemons are piling up. Greedy humans suck!!!!!!!
C4YT
I cant believe people are still buying grand design because its obvious that the "grand" in grand design isnt in regards to the design, its the additional grands that you will be spending. These trailers that are experiencing this so called frame flex should be being taken to the junk yard instead of being repaired. I sure hope the DOT gets involved with these frames before one of these frames end up killing innocent people.
These frames are built by Lippert and Grand Design is not the only mfg that has had this issue. We are thankful that they are going to warranty the issue and get it fixed. Thanks for watching the journey
@SwitchItUpLife. I get that the frames are built by Lippert, but the final product is still a Grand Design, and they are still using these Lippert frames after knowing there is an issue. It's happening frequently enough that the DOT needs to get involved, and these frames should not be allowed to be repaired and remain on the road. I also have to wonder why yours was warranted, but the bucket list's wasn't. I don't know if his was older than yours or not.
I had a 2017 KZ Venom with the same issues that they resolved internally. Isn’t just a GD issue.
Bucket list guy has his own set of issues that help lead up to why his warranty ended. He seems to have quite a bit of bad luck.
Is she still Fiona?
Fiona she is- just changing her makeup 💄
Sorry guys. Sadly the frame flex is the product of negligent engineering. It's rampant in Grand Design fifth wheels. They will patch it up and say that it's fixed but the truth is the frame flex will come back. It is inherent in the design and cannot be fix properly without redesigning the entire front end. Don't mean to be bearer of bad news. Just being real. There are a ton of YT videos with the same problem.
Rampant in Grand Design? You do realize all but 3 manufacturers use the same frames? Or.....obviously you don't! They have traveled nearly 40K miles in 3 years! that's more travel than 99.9% of RVs see in 2 lifetimes. Yes, we live and travel full time in a GD fifth.
@@rexchilders2265 I had a new 2019 Grand Design Reflection in 2018. It was a worthless POS. I got rid of it after three years due to substandard design, shoddy assembly, and poor customer service. I could write a dissertation on all the problems I had with the rig. I'll spare you the details and just call it for what it was, a POS.
Boring
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