BotB #13: Seddie pt 1 - iOMG
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- The first part of my coverage of the dumpster fire that is the Seddie Arc.
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So in this episode; Miranda Cosgrove tortures her older brother... that sounds familiar
Tortures her older brother without the charm, charisma, intellegence, or any nuance whatsoever.
iKillerZombie from where ?
Noah L. Højen Megan, Drake and Josh's evil little sister,(from Drake and Josh) always tortures her brothers and gets no punishment bc her mom and stepdad think she's a little angel.
I don't think I'd call the stuff Megan did to Drake and Josh "nuanced."
Megan...
"I'm going to go inside the oven." RIP Pieguy. He died of smoke inhalation and bad children sitcom episodes.
NowRacattackForce 😂😂😂😂
Lock-in nights do happen, but not for schoolwork or anything, usually for some sort of celebration. For example, my high school did this thing called "Project Graduation" that hosts a heavily supervised graduation party to keep students from partying and drinking and such. Something like the iCarly episode would never happen, though. Schools do NOT want kids last-minute completing their assignments, and there would be teachers and chaperones EVERYWHERE.
Robobuddies Oh hey, Robo. Wasn't expecting you here.
My school never had one, but I went to SEVERAL at my church.
tha only time I was at night at school was when I was a little kid and it was a surprise for childrens where our parents dance disguised as famous characters LOL
Supervising a party to prevent kids from partying..makes sense to me
It's more of a supervising party to prevent teenagers from going to parties with drinking, drugs, and such. In US, it's illegal for people to drink under 21.
Things about this arc I enjoyed:
-Jim Parsons’ guest appearance.
-Gibby’s song.
-The scene where Spencer’s hit in the balls (his facial expression was pretty priceless).
That’s...pretty much it. Seriously, this was by far the most embarrassing part of an otherwise great show’s run.
Maxwell Shapiro Agreed
Also, the arc’s resolution was actually okay. I liked how they used the forced relationship between Spencer and the babysitter to make Sam and Freddie realize the forced nature of their own relationship.
Also the gibby song. Don’t forget the gibby song
Ha! Thx for adding it :D
Maxwell Shapiro Also Carly imitating Sam and Freddie at the restaurant. That really made me laugh.
I think the whole purpose of the Seddie Arc, honestly, was to troll the Seddie fans. Seriously, if I were a Seddie shipper, I would feel like I got ripped off. The first two episodes seemed to be about Sam and Freddie becoming a couple, and the last 3 were about why they make a terrible couple.
Yeah that's weird. Like the point of the arc is that they don't work as a couple, but also they try so hard to make them cute and lovey dovey and all that. This should've been 3 episodes at most. Episode 1 to set it up, episode 2 to explore how the two characters react to it, and episode 3 where everything goes to shit.
@@tigorelloensil3676 Honestly, I don't think it should've even been an arc. It probably should've been a 44-minute special or a 2-part episode at the most. Or put it in there, but don't make the episodes all about Sam & Freddie being an item. What they should've done was character development. This was an opportunity to make Sam a more likeable character. They could still keep the best parts about her, while making her more pleasant of a human being. They chose not to go that route, though; they just stuck to "The Status Quo is God," and they never changed Sam or Freddie. And at the end of it all, they broke up, making the whole arc completely pointless.
And the problem is that Schneider's Bakery has made couples similar to Seddie work before. Josh/Mindy from Drake & Josh for example. Do you wanna know what made them work but not Seddie? It's simple: they had something in common. Mindy and Josh didn't get along with each other at first, but they were pretty similar in character. They're both scientifically intelligent, and they have very similar traits with the exception of Josh having stereotypical guy-like traits, and Mindy having stereotypical girl-like traits. Those differences were what made them look like a cute couple, though, and their similarities are what made them perfect for each other.
Seddie on the other hand was just two complete opposites that had no common ground. And they really gave no development towards them becoming a couple. Honestly, what they should've done was something similar to iSavedYourLife, and I'm not even a fan of that episode.
@@nascarfanatic2425 agreed
@@nascarfanatic2425 say um do you think the writers were forced to do a shipping arc?🤔
@@gracekim25 That could be entirely possible. I certainly wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility.
I feel like it's extremely problematic for Sam to have a crush on Freddie and for him to be ok with it. It almost normalizes her horrible treatment. It almost seems like gaslighting to be quite honest.
Hell, Sam's crush began with a moment that was never shown or even mentioned before. This just makes the pairing seem even more forced.
And the double standards within the ship are absolutely disgusting. Sam insults, bullies, and physically beats Freddie as much as she wants and it's portrayed as "cute," "romantic," and "hot," yet if the genders were reversed it would get major backlash.
I hate double standards...
And what's even worse is that some idiots in the comments like this one guy who has a picture of Bart simpson as his profile picture is saying we're taking this too seriously? Do some of these people realize this is not how relationships work. Sam turned into an unredeemable character for me around Season 3 and this behavior she shows proves why I am glad I never liked her.
It's almost like they think fiction is immune to criticism or something....
Well news flash! It's not!
There you are! It's been 2 months.
has it really been that long?
Viktor Nikiforov It looks like it. His last video was uploaded two months ago apparently.
wow it feels like it's been even longer than that.
It’s as though we haven’t gotten a video from him since...
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LAST YEAR
_Really? To me, it feels like it's been longer._
I didn't see that Portal joke coming and I loved it.
When he mentioned Glados.
DaRichMan I was expecting him to go with the obvious answer of the Nazis. I wasn't expecting him to make a Portal joke. I loved it too XD
Oh
My
God
Bottom of the bakery is finally back!!
Relax. Of course it's back.
dont you mean iOMG? ;)))))))))) (no you dont bc thats a dumb title)
Don't make yourself stupid! Why did you think of that?
I never liked the idea of Sam and Freddie as a couple. Thinking about the show, the thing that made me most uncomfortable with it was the way Sam treated Freddie. The worst part is how this is played for laughs. I guarantee that if the genders were reversed (a male juvenile delinquent beats up a nerdy girl while a laugh track plays), there would have been a lot of controversy regarding it. Anyway, I can’t wait for Pieguy to tackle the rest of this arc.
Stephen Brown I pretty much agree with everything you said.
I shipped Seddie
Sam is pretty unlikable anyway and the fact she gets away with abusing Freddie doesn't help. The conclusion to this dumpster fire of an arc is one of Sam's worse appearances, as well as competition for her worst actions. (Though her actions in iSell Penny-Tees is a good competitor) and the fact Marissa Benson is a Designated Villain makes it even worse since she's basically the good guy in this story arc. :/ Think about that without your brain stems losing a few IQ points.
Normally I feel sorry for Freddie because he's constantly abused, nobody treats him like a human being (Carly included) but here he's as insufferable as Sam is. Also the fact Gibby gets abuse simply for being a discounted Freddie for Sam leaves even more horrible implications.
Not to mention how the show acts as though this is all somehow okay because "Freddie enjoys it." No. That's not okay. That's pretty much manipulating your lover into believing that abuse=love, which is not a good mindset in the slightest. These kinds of double standards need to die. Why is it okay for a girl to pick on and beat up a boy she supposedly likes only for them to become a couple? Is it because she's a girl? Is it because he's a nerd? What were the writers thinking?
And the worst part is, and forgive me for sounding pretentious, a lot of iCarly's demographic is tweens and young teens who don't have much relationship experience, so they probably ended up thinking that this is normal for a relationship (and I actually think this is the only reason why Seddie got so popular). Scary world we live in, huh?
why would their be controversy?
I'm getting a feeling that the Seddie arc is like anime shipping wars going wrong in a nutshell
i Start a Fan War calls this out as such.
Mathew Ricafrente stupid story arc was stupid
Mathew Ricafrente can created The Shipping Wars
No, the Seddie arc is more like what happens when someone on the writing staff of a show tries to settle a shipwar by making one of them canon, but then it's bad either because no one thought it through, or they made it bad out of spite.
I’m gonna ship Spongebob and Cory in the House, and if you disagree your wrong cause my opinion is right
So remember kids, relationships are built on hate.
“Where they go with it is, quite frankly, insane.”
And he next episode takes place in a mental hospital...I see what you did there
“Less about the web show and more about stupid nonsense that could get as many views as possible.” So just like the real internet! :P
8:02 “You like torture and bad writing, don’t you Schneider”
+Brandon Roberts Nostalgia Critic:BAD TOUCH!
And feet! Can't forget feet!
Dan “Let me lick your toes or you’re not getting a show” Schneider
Schneider: Nah, I'm just lazy.
Axel He has apparantly "parted ways" with the network as of recently
lock-in parties are a thing but usually not for academic stuff.
good review, looking forward to seeing what's in the oven...
lagodier I
I think the argument a lot of people made for Seddie was "It's an Arnold and Helga dynamic"
No, it's not. For one, Hey Arnold is a cartoon and can take Helga's admiration of arnold to absurd degrees for comedy and storytelling. And two, we as viewers have known about Helga's crush since the beginning of the show. Sam was always written to just be a bully to Freddy and nothing more.
Hope you don't mind if I add my own reasons.
Three, Helga was actually called out on her behavior in at least one episode and had to talk to a therapist about it, and it turned out that she had a lot of problems in her home that made her the way she was. Sam seems to have some crap going on in her life too, but she seems to be relatively okay with her life unlike Helga. Sam doesn't come off as a trouble girl who's lashing out at the world around her, she just comes off as a jackass. To put it in anime comparisons, Helga is like Asuka Langley Soryu (bully with a tragic past) while Sam is like Naru Narusegawa (bully who's a bully just to be a bully).
Four, Helga and Arnold never actually get into a relationship (at least as far as I know) unlike Sam and Freddie, so it never really crosses over into relationship abuse. And Helga may be a jerk but as far as I know she's never done stuff like beat Arnold with a tennis racket which would've put him in the hospital.
So yeah, it's an unfair comparison to make.
id like to offer my 2cents from the seddie side of things. gonna preface my comment by saying i havent seen hey arnold so i wouldnt understand the comparisons. also gonna preface my comment by saying that ive seen a good number of anime that feature a tsundere character, so the idea of female lead "abusing" the boy she is in love with honestly doesnt phase me one bit. obviously this is a serious topic in real life and should not be ignored, but in these shows, it is purely meant for slapstick humor and cheap entertainment purposes. there is no lasting damage done, even into the following episodes, and the slapstick is passed over very quickly without thought because there is no real substance to the "abuse", it is just there to establish the "tough badass chick" persona.
For me, both characters are flawed, which is a good foundation to have because nobody wants a perfect character. Sam is abusive, angry, violent, and abrasive. this is shown to stem from the underlying crap that she has to deal with at home with not really having a mother or father. the only ones that matter to sam are carly and eventually freddie. However, sam does receive character development and eventually comes to care for freddie too.
Freddie is the opposite. He is a wimpy, fawning preteen who follows carly's every whim just because she is pretty. meanwhile, he despises sam because he views her as a monster. he is babied and coddled by his neurotic mother, which has lead to his upbringing as a scrawny "nub" as sam would say.
however, these two polar opposites strangely compliment each other very well and have legitimate chemistry together. sam pesters freddie, who strangely is able to find the courage to stand up to her (on occasion) of all people when he wont stand up to anyone else. sam brings freddie out of his shell and unintentionally helps freddie grow a backbone, progressing to the point where he even has the balls to stand up to his mother and sam puckett herself. he grows more independent and confident directly because of her influence.
on the flipside, freddie is ironically the only guy that regular stands up to her and doesnt crumble against sams taunting. he gives her attention and focuses on her, something that has never happened before because normally every guy passes over her to focus on carly. sam has always been shown to feel something towards freddie, as shown in ikiss and iprom date. these feelings were shown early and felt natural despite the tough girl persona she chooses to exude. She even grows as a character enough to realize when she has gone too far in pushing freddie and apologizes when she realized her mistake. from that point on, freddies influence directly causes sam to mellow out (even if it is slight) and she noticeably grows less violent and aggressive as she matures into a young adult.
Or i could be a hopeless seddie shipper who is reading far too much into a kids show and is eternally jaded at how horribly written and executed the seddie arc was.
Just because a lot of anime have the "abusive tsundere" character doesn't mean it's a good archetype. And I'm sure you know damn well that there would be an outrage if the genders were reversed.
She doesn't really grow out of her abusive ways, though. Even after she hooks up with Freddie, she continues to beat him.
Are you trying to imply that domestic abuse is a good thing because it "helped Freddie grow a spine"? I really hope you don't know of any abusive relationships in real life.
Like I said, she still beats him after they hook up.
Yeah, you are a hopeless Seddie shipper. I suggest you grow up and find better taste in ships.
Hey now! Now while I agree with you mostly said (expect the anime part because I don't care for anime) HOWEVER I think it is just awful to hate on someone for having a different taste in ships.
You should never tell someone that they need to "grow up" or that there taste in ships is wrong.
I personally don't really ship anyone in this show but, even I think that the way you replied back at the end of your last was just mean.
Also yeah I know I'm late to this really but, I really don't care
Sam and Freddie being together never made any sense to me, Sam always treated Freddie so horribly, and she never really redeemed herself for this? It would not be healthy at all for Freddie to be with Sam.
TealTreeKangaroo It just never made sense to me even in the direction they were trying to go with it. What on earth would Freddie see in someone like Sam on a romantic level???
FACTS!!! Honestly if they wanted Freddie to have romance let it be with anybody BUT SAM.
But... Seddie!!!!
@@billyjoe6787 stop being blind. Never romanticise ABUSE. SAM ABUSES HIM
@@gracekim25 LET US HAVE OPINIONS IDIOT.
Sam x Freddie has to be one of the most dysfunctional couples that I've ever seen in preteen television.
brickfilms1954 I know right. Their chemistry felt so unnatural and forced
I personally think the only relationship more dysfunctional was Lex x Lana in Smallville
@@Lauren_210 yeah it makes no sense
Now I know where Dontnod got Max and Chloe from. They got from iCarly.🤦♀️
you really don’t need to hate on seddie. it’s just a tv relationship and it’s really tiring to see people hate on it over and over when it’s adorable.
When I first saw this episode, I didn’t understand why they didn’t take the advantage of Sam hooking up with Brad. The only other time he appeared before this episode was in “iHire an Idiot” when he was the second to last applicant to be interviewed for the intern position. I did think it was cool that they decided to bring him back again and he genuinely did seem like a pretty decent guy. If Sam got together with Brad, it could have developed Sam as a character and begin learning to treat people a lot more nicer and not be so juvinal all the time. She was in a previous relationship before way back in season 1, but it was much more sillier and the guy was an idiot. The one she could have had with Brad would be her first serious relationship and we could have actually seen how that arc went for her on her own instead of putting her with Freddie which never made sense to me due to how she horribly she treated him. 😕 I will be honest, the whole sideplot with Spencer in the box was pretty ridiculous, but it was kinda entertaining at the same time.
I hated this pairing soooo much as a kid so you can imagine how disinterested I became after the series, not only made the pairing canon, but dedicated the entire show to this pairing until they broke it off.
Exactly,Freddie would be way better off with Carly because Carly doesn’t physically abuse him or be as cruel to him like Sam is.Thats kind of where I gave up on the show,still a Creddie shipper lol.
My high school did that, although it wasn't for projects, but it was more like a mini rave party with bounce houses, water guns and dancing. and if you didnt wanna dance (like me) inside they have a mini arcade with Wii's, Xbox's and PlayStations 😄
TheBlackSheep 94 That sounds awesome!
I wish one of my schools had done that
TheBlackSheep 94 why can't my highschool do that x'( well we do have slow computers and crappy wifi...
They would sometimes have one after prom- to ensure no drinking and stuff.
I need my school to do this
"Yes, I'm still alive".-Sakurai, 2014
Hope the job's been going well, glad to have you back man.
"I wonder if I'll ever get to take a break." ~ Sakurai 2018.
You better get a gas mask! Who knows what toxic fumes are contained in there...
well SpongeBob season 10 is now complete so now I am excited for a review of that
Pieguy: Makes a Hitler joke.
Also Pieguy: Decides it’d be a good idea to go inside an oven.
P.S. I loved the “writing process” bit, you should do more of that kind of stuff in the future.
My Elementary school did a Lock-In , but only once. It wasn't for work, we just watched Pixar movies and went to sleep.
KinnikuDash That’s pretty awesome. Do you remember which Pixar movies you guys watched? 😀
Lauren210 I think it was Cars, Ratatouille, and Toy Story.
New headcanon, the entire seddie arc is nothing but Spencers hallucinations while in the box
I think this is a good analogy as to why iCarly suffered Seasonal Rot after Season 3. Where as stated it became less about the webshow (the entire premise based around the show's existence) into basically focusing on their "normal" lives, which were really nonsense with little structure. Honestly Drake & Josh had some pretty bad episodes too, namely in its 3rd and 4th seasons. But it still kept its charm and comedic vibe. (Also can't get enough out of how funny Josh was) but I have to agree this is where Schnider plots got really bad and this is easily among the worst that this universe has to offer. The 3rd act *iCan't Take It* is one of the worst episodes of a Dan Schnider show ever! Especially the climax of the episode which features Sam at her worst, or among her worst. *iSell Penny Tees rivals it* and the fact Mrs Benson is the protagonist in the 3rd act doesn't help whatsoever. Remember when this was about a webshow? Because the show certainly did.
I missed you pieguy. Welcome back!
Me too!
I actually find the beginning of Dan Schneider's downfall as after icarlys 4th season and after the 2nd or 3rd season of victorious everything went downhill.
It went down in iCarly Season 5
Don't be up-Seddie, have some spaghetti.
You started the romance arc on Valentine's day. Clever.
It ties into both. They realized their fans wanted Seddie and realize they could use that as a huge cash grab... So yeah...
I feel like the Seddie arc is the perfect example why two main characters of any show should not be canonically shipped with each other (unless it’s at the very end) because the dynamic and focus of the show would change too drastically
The long awaited rant is finally here! It's about time!
It was this episode where iCarly went downhill iMeetFred was bad but this episode was worse.
It finally happened
I can think of a bizarro version of the Seddie Arc: like either the Josh/Mindy arc or the other arc.
Josh/Mindy are definetely an underrated Nick couple. Their relationship dynamic was very well executed (especially for a kid's sitcom). I liked the fact that they didn't follow the typical cliches of the couple breaking up through crying or arguing and just decided to continue studying/hanging out with each other and talk as friends even if they were not together anymore. The way they talked about how they didn't know what love felt like due to them not having any previous dating experiences was very mature and felt genuine (something that you could definetely hear someone say in real life). In addition, both Josh and Mindy were given CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.
What was the other arc
@@Lauren_210 it was also better because the show was not put on pause for that. Other things still happened with Mindy and Josh while in the Seddie Arc it was 5 episodes of nothing but that and the show was put on pause for that. Also my favorite nick couple is Hugh and Judy Neutron
Oh yeah, Josh and Mindy did it best
Welcome back, Pieguy! Hope you're doing well.
Welcome back? He never left.
Also, I think another good Bizarro Bakery counterpart to the Seddie Arc is the Jindy Arc from Drake & Josh.
nascarfanatic2425 I’m glad that I’ve seen several people bring up Josh and Mindy as a couple. Their relationship dynamic was very well executed and way better than the Seddie arc. They definitely need more recognition as a Nick couple.
Lauren210 I think the big difference between how the writers treated Seddie and how they treated Jindy was that they WANTED Josh and Mindy to get together. They didn't really want Sam and Freddie to get together. You can tell by every episode of the Seddie Arc.
- iOMG: Seddie becomes canon out of nowhere.
- iLost My Mind: Depicted Seddie fans as brainless idiots.
- iDate Sam and Freddie: Pretty much showed why Sam and Freddie are a terrible couple.
- iCan't Take It: An episode where they forced Sam and Freddie to stay together because... I Don't know why, honestly. They should've broke up after this episode.
- iLove You: Revealed that there was 0 chemistry between Sam and Freddie.
For some reason when you said "Jindy Arc" i actually thought of Jimmy Neutron instead of Drake & Josh.
the rocking goomba Oh yeah, that makes sense. Jimmy/Cindy. No, I meant Josh & Mindy.
Lauren210 Your opinion, m8.
What a wonderful way to start off Valentine's Day. Honestly I think that depending on when the arc started or when they got the idea, it could be based on the Naked Brothers Band where the literal entire third season is Nat and Rosalina dating and breaking up and dating again? I don't know. That's speculation on my end with no claim but still! Great to see ya back!
Omg, Nat & Rosalina being so off and on annoys me to this day. I wish Kristina had been in more episodes or resolved the triangle bc they ended the show w/o resolving it. Like Ik the show was never about ships but it would've been nice to know
I've been waiting fucking 3 years for this
That portal analogy was hilarious
FRICKIN FINALLY!!!! I've been waiting BotB for so freaking long.
My.... goodness, gracious, Ariana Grande! A new Bottom of the Bakery... and its on the Dreaded Seddie arc... which I know very little about till now... Boy... What a Valentine's day special...
iStart A Fan War - Meh
iOMG - iPoorly
iLost My Mind - iPoorly
iDate Sam & Freddie - iPoorly
iCan’t Take It - iPoorly
iLove You - iPoorly
Those last two episode names sound like Creepypastas.
That entire seddie arc was just awful and I mean wwe level awful from 2010's to now I hope they never do that against
"I'm going to go inside the oven."
Anyone else troubled by the image of Pieguy sticking his head into a heated oven?
Yeah, that's some nightmare fuel I wasn't expecting from my review of a teen sitcom episode that aired almost seven years ago O.O
The return of PieguyRulz... for a short time maybe... or a long time? Hopefully a long time...
"Are you ready... for _seddie?"_
IT'S THREE AM, AND SEDDIE'S HERE! THE SUPREME BAD ARC MAKER! MASTER OF FEAR!
"I'm going to go into the oven"
*Realizes PieGuy is a floating head.*
"WAIT, NO PIEGUY! YOU HAVE SO MUCH TO LIVE FOR!!"
At 4:08 PieGuy's Icon dissapeared for a split second.
I personally thought iCarly started going downhill with the beginning of Season 3.
Pieguy get out of the oven you're going to hurt yourself being so close to that cake
The perfect Valentine's special. Great timing on this one man.
I never understood this episode at all. Watching it again actually made me realize how different the first and second half of the show are. The first half is a classic 3 seasons of kids just being impossibly awesome friends with funny banter and plot-building scenarios, while the episodes that come after iParty with Victorious, and even some before it, are literally ALL scenarios that have the characters treating each other less like friends and more like co-workers in a business office on their lunch breaks. Seriously, watch the second half of the show again and just look at how bored or desperate to be funny the actors are trying to be. What happened to those times when Carly tried to enjoy life, smile whenever something unexpected happens, or really expressed interest in whatever her friends or Spencer were doing? In the later half of the show, she decides to stupidly chase after boys, she never goes back to being optimistic after restraining Sam and her antics, and the show actively changes Spencer's gags from curious and funny art projects to an annoyingly overused sense of randomly setting objects on fire, making Carly constantly nag him about it and at one point even roast a hot dog on a flame. Seriously, this is all happening during and even after the Seddie arc. Jesus Christ, how in the hell did the show go from saying great things like "You might get famous" and "My brother's a great artist!" to saying constantly strange things like "Get in the bubble bath, paint your nails, and think about bunnies" and "Okay, how could you start a fire in the shower?!" ?!
The Scilacticon Galaxy How is “My brother’s a great artist.” a great line. It’s just a line.
Don’t ever abandon us again pieguyrulz
Honesty the only seddie episode I liked was I kiss because Sam actually realized and admitted to her wrongdoings in the later seasons there wasn’t that character development anymore and they made her even more terrible
That wasn’t even part of the seddie arc too!
The pie is always better when you wait for it! Glad to see ya again!
Staying overnight at a school, or something like that isn't unheard of, but there would absolutely be adult supervision.
I missed your videos. Good to see you back.
I will admit that I shipped Freddie and Sam from at least season 2. I really thought there was more to these two than just an abusive relationship, especially in the episode iReunite With Missy. After Missy tortures Sam to get her to stop being best friends with Carly so she can be best friends with Carly, Sam actually goes to Freddie for help. Freddie is suspicious about just why Sam would need his help (and rightfully so) and asks her exactly that. Sam responds with something along the lines of "I'm here talking to you begging for your help. Have I ever come to you al e for anything ever?" Freddie realizes he likes and feels baldy for Sam more than he used to and devises a great plan to get Missy out of the picture. Carly realizes pretty quickly what Freddie did and mildly teases him for it, but she is kind of happy he is beginning to feel differently about Sam. Those are the kind of Freddie and Sam plot lines I like. As the dating story arc progresses, you realize that the writers don't know how to write these two characters as a romantic couple. They end up using the tired story line of them not being able to be alone without fighting. You kind of know that these two were doomed from the start. They were not really ever able to connect on an emotional level, except maybe for the final scene of iKiss. They even couldn't really bring themselves to want to try to like the things the other person likes and only reluctantly did so after Carly told them they needed to since she couldn't figure out what else would keep them together. I was also disappointed somewhat in the way Freddie's mom reacted when she found out about the relationship. In the first season when Freddie went on his first date, she was just happy a living breathing girl around his age liked him even a little bit. Yeah Sam has an abrasive personality (to put it mildly), but she never really stopped Freddie from hanging out with Sam when she thought of them only as friends. She also originally only wanted Freddie with Carly and for the one episode where they do date (iSaved Your Life) she doesn't really have much of a reaction. Personally, if the storyline hadn't been so front and center with Freddie and Sam for the 5 or so episodes it was, maybe people wouldn't have the feelings they do (good or bad) about it. They would have been a couple for the entire next season with only a few episodes here and there that focus on them entirely with the season finale episode being where they break up. After the breakup, they just go back to whatever it was they were doing (separate of iCarly) before they dated. I'm not totally sure but I don't believe Sam refers to Freddie as her ex-boyfriend until the Sam & Cat episode where Cat brings Freddie to L.A. to make Sam jealous because she's jealous Sam's hanging out with her friend Jade without her. Clearly Dan Schneider did this to give the fans what they wanted. By the time the middle of season 3 came around, I realized for the time being that Sam and Freddie were not going to get together and I accepted this and moved on. To go another season and a half before they do date is too long to go, especially if there really isn't any will they or won't they tension sprinkled in. For example in the heatwave episode, Freddie has a girl he has been video chatting with come to Carly's apartment so they could meet for the first time. All Sam does is make fun of how tall the girl is and how short Freddie is. I would have thought that she would have shown a little bit of jealousy towards Freddie and maybe at least once ask Carly what he sees in that girl. That never happens, so it appears to me that when Sam gets in "in love" mood on the app it feels a bit forced. It is not a mood she has ever felt towards anyone, even as a friend (accept maybe towards Carly). Now if it has said she felt "angry" or " jealous" and the episode had been that Freddie was working on his project with a hot girl and she confronts Freddie about that and then kisses him, that would have been more believable. I think people who wanted to see Sam and Freddie get together had very high expectations (think 90's tween comedy show romances) and the writers were just giving the fans what they wanted, but you could tell that if they didn't feel as if they needed to satisfy that base, they wouldn't have put these two together romantically. I feel the three of them (Carly included) wouldn't have ever had anything romantic going on at all. That's the problem with shows like this. The audience automatically, from the very first episode, want to see huge will they or won't they tension from the main characters. Sometimes that doesn't always make for the greatest shows. A very good final example of this is "Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide." Ned and Moze were best friends without an ounce of romantic tension until he started to date her rival Suzie. The last half of the final season seemed very forced to me with Moze stuck in a love triangle of sorts between Ned and the South American soccer guy who randomly showed up early in that season. The way Moze and Ned announce their relationship in the final scene of the series so matter of factly really bothered me. They should have just stayed friends since they had more of a brother/sister relationship anyway. That storyline ruined a really great show. The Sam and Freddie storyline also ruined what was for at least the first half a really great show.
i'm just here to say that you reminded me that Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide was a thing, and made me happy
To be fair with Ned's Declassified, Devon & Lindsay confirmed that they were dating at some point during the original run of the show so I understood why their characters got together.
This review is honestly really surprising, not because it's bad, but because, despite me only seeing a couple of iCarly episodes, 5 years ago (and, not remembering a thing about them), I was not confused during this review.
Of course, that's a plus, and congratulations for doing that (as it seems a bit hard.)
Also, this review was pretty funny (especially the office gag, and the GlaDOS joke), and I consider this to be some of your best work!
Great job dude!
ICarly is not as good as Drake and Josh seriously
I think we all knew that.
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That's true.
"anyone can just make a cliffhanger" proceeds to end the video with a cliffhanger
Brad actually appeared in one episode before this: iHire an Idiot.
That episode of iCarly really jumped the shark until in the later five episodes.
For me the worst episode of this story arc is honestly iCan't Take It because of Mrs. Benson and Gibby. they are downright intolerable in that episode
Ohhhhh we’ll get to that later 😒
In addition, Sam was a vicious monster trying to fucking murder Gibby 😳
Sean S I personally thought iDateSameandFreddie was the worst. No plot, just Freddie and Sam’s annoying bickering
E C That episode annoyed the hell out me too with their constant arguing over nonsense and again...their forced and unnatural chemistry.
E C although i will say that what makes that episode worth it is Carly going insane on Sam and Freddie near the ending that made me laugh my butt off but if that moment wasn't there it would be right up there with iDon't Want to Fight in terms of being obnoxious but i found iCan't Take It worse because it didn't have any redemption to make up for us dealing with Mrs. Benson and Gibby's trash in the episode where atleast iDate Sam and Freddie had that one moment where Carly snaps and goes crazy
Sean S Carly imitating Sam and Freddie and telling that Patton Oswald look alike guy to go away multiple times at the restaurant made me laugh my butt off. That was the only good thing that came out of that episode...and I suppose the puppy cause he was cute 😊 ....and the lawn in the living room cause it’s like so unusual 😂
I was just very surprised when Carly made me laugh during the restaurant scene was because she never made me laugh all that much during the show and she just nailed that scene. Even though the show went downhill as it was reaching its end, I will admit that Carly got me to laugh a bit more in the later seasons.
HE STILL EXISTS!
Spongebob season 10
New PIEGUYRULZ video?!
It is a good day!
I think when this arc was on TV I barely registered that it was ‘romance’ given I only ever watched this show for the web show element which was absent during this
my old high school did a lock in for graduating students, it was an all night party at a different sports location near our school, however i’ve never seen a lock in for assignments at all.
they didn’t let us sleep at all though.
i’m in college now and haven’t seen anything like that since that day.
6:04 Ya got me! I love a good mislead! Great job!
I never shipped any of the characters together when I watched iCarly, I only ever saw them as best friends; and especially not Sam and Freddie. Sam's behavior is absolutely awful to Freddie in most episodes, the few good moments between them are incredibly few and far in between. Freddie's romantic interest in Carly is much more believable than the sudden crush that Sam has with Freddie and the eventual love interest with Sam and Freddie have later on. It makes no sense really. Even for the more wacky moments that iCarly had, it just makes no sense to me.
Yeah, our favorite pie guy is back!
One of my closest friends in high school actually became obsessed with iCarly through this episode. The storyline was something to keep her invested, I suppose; she actually preferred Creddie as a ship.
[The audience sees the reflection of the video in my eyes]
Me: [falls down on his knees] [holds the video in my hands] [Laughs] It's been 3000 years!
I liked the Seddie arc when it first premiered on TV. However, there was no build up to Sam and Freddie's relationship. That is the same problem I had with Olive and Fletcher on A.N.T Farm. There was no buildup. I Didn't Do It canonized Logan and Jasmine's relationship perfectly because throughout the series there was a will they/ won't they thing going on. If Sam had shown much interest for Freddie other than sharing her first kiss with him in season 2 then it would have made some sense. Also, the way Sam treated Freddie was horrible throughout most of the series and the fact that he still liked her after she tormented him all those years is sincerely shocking.
100% agree with this. Jeanette and Nathan had great chemistry but the writers didn't use it properly. Sam was shown in S2 that she didn't always have to rely on being a bully & I wish they moved away from her abusing Freddie as the series went on
Lock ins are a common thing. But not for projects. Usually fundraising reasons.
Wow! I didn't think he'd come back to it! I subscribed A few months ago and thought this was over. Got the notif and went into cardiac arrest.
Everytime there is a pie joke in a show I just feel like it's for you. Also loved the portal joke.
Anyway I really couldn't remember anything about these episodes cause their plot was just a confusing mess. It's exactly like a tangled string. The more I heard you say the more I remembered my disscust while watching it.
I was never a fan of the entire Seddie arc when it first started. In terms of character and regardless of having two mothers that are opposite extremes, the pair are highly incompatible and lacked the exact fluidity Arnold and Helga developed.
To me, the entire execution of the shipping is basically the definition of fanservice and doesn't bring a sense of substance in the show other than the entire "For the fans" shtick. Sam & Cat demostrated this stunt in that lackluster episode where both characters tricked their "love-interests" for ridiculous reasons other than jumping over tuna.
JZTSmokenem Sam and Freddie didn’t even have an interesting dynamic like Josh and Mindy had from Drake and Josh.
I’m glad you’re back making videos, man! I get being busy and all, and you shouldn’t worry about shoving videos out, take your time, but I’ve really been missing your more chill and nuanced analysis and I’m glad you’re back!! Thanks!!
Been waiting for this
6:04 was too good my god 😝😝
In my opinion, iCarly went downhill after iPsycho.
I’m pretty sure it would’ve been Nick demanding the episode. The writers got payed the same amount for every episode they write regardless of how many viewers it would get. Nick is the only one who could benefit off this.
I have been waiting for this video since 2016.
The pieguy is back!
It's good to see this back again!
If you don't like Seddie you shouldn't watch anime. Couples like that are everywhere.
Adam Baldwin Like who for example?
Most of the couples mentioned here: www.thetoptens.com/worst-anime-couples/
Sam is pretty much the Western live-action equivalent of Naru Narusegawa.
Like Kousei and Kaori from Your Lie in April.
Or Raku and Chitoge from Nisekoi.
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YES, YES. Burn this arc with the fire and fury that destroyed every pastry that had the misfortune to come in this bakery.
Any chance you'll do IReunite with Missy? It always got on my nerves how oblivious carly was to everything
I also think you should do either the bird scene or the birthweek present from victorious, the former for being incredibly frustrating to watch, and the latter for how insufferable trina is and that awful, awful ending
Also: just for fun, here's what all the episodes would be
Ireunite with Missy: either persian chocolates or a pinata
Bird scene: bird nest cookies
Birthweek present: birthday cake
Guess who finally decided to come back to life
Hey Pie Guy, do Theater Thug From Drake and Josh for Bottom Of The Bakery. It's definitely a bad episode and my least favorite episode of Drake and Josh. Josh is tortured for laughs, the plot is very rushed, and the ending has Josh arrested because they thought he was the Theater Thug. Also, everyone is so stupid in the episode, they don't get what is real and fake. One more thing, Josh looks nothing like the real Theater Thug. So it would make my day for you to do this episode.
12:43 Don't try this at home kids.
YES! TEAR IT LIMB FROM LIMB! MAKE IT BLEEEEEDDD!!
Whoops...heh heh....got a little carried away there.....
Get ready for the Seddie, cause the Seddie is ready for you...