Damn. Spec Sheets don't tell you the whole story. Those Panigale numbers are looking outstanding. Looking at add the M1000XR next to my ZX14. Might get the V4R next :D
The Dyno measures wheel horsepower not crank. So, the Crank HP could realistically be around 240. In my limited experience the Crank to Wheel difference tends to sit around 12.5%. However, I don't know if that figure scales well.
More Aprilia videos please.In my opinion and yes everybody has one,it’s definitely the best sounding bike you have and I also think the best looking.Great video!❤️🔥
Solid straight to the point. Loved the video, the numbers game is great to measure but conditions always change. Glad you did all of them together. Beautiful machines nonetheless!
Gorgeous bikes! Every single one of them! I would love to see some smack downs with your 1199r/1299 hybrid and see how it stacks up against the almighty V4r! Great videos, IB! Thank you for all the content you’ve allowed for us to enjoy!
You'd be better off wiping off the excess chain lube. The lube is only for the pivot points inside the chain and does nothing for the exterior except attract dirt.
What I usually do is clean the chain when the bike/chain is cold, rinse it off with water, take the bike around the block to warm up the chain, and then apply the chain lube
@@robertsole9970 I know, but I was talking about the new one the RR-R that thing is fucking wild cuz ib posted a video last year where ib's Fireblade beat V4R! That thing is fucking WILD!
He should do this test again on a cold day, to show people that the bikes will make more HP with cool dense air, not the hot and humid air. It really does matter.
Just for reference. U can expect to see 10whp more on all of these in better conditions so great B2B testing to see the difference. Akra low/upmap just worked better in the hot weather today. Sure bren has something up his sleeve.
@@Nick-Edwards from previous dyno runs on the 650ib channel the rsv4 torque figures are there for your viewing pleasure 👍 plus its well known ducati is typically down on torque 😇
Honest comparison of an awesome selection. Surprised at the HP gap with the Germans. V4S vs V4R no significant gap in hp is weird no? Anyhoo good info, great video!
Aprilia and V4s has a larger displacement so if you account for that they made same or slightly worse WHP than others. In summary, the 2023 Red Bmw has the best ROI. Great video and beautiful machines!
@@happyness5293 oh they do deserve credit, beautiful, sexy powerful machines. My comments were mainly regarding displacement, power and cost. Have a 23 S1000RRM myself and love the thing!
@@TheRealBhuadothat its true if i make a Tune i will be alway choose OEM Ducati and dont forget the Shell Oil wich is made for gain a litle bit more Power
Hey.... It's because it was 100 degrees with 100% humidity during this dyno. I've never experienced those weather conditions at Brentuning. The dyno at Brentuning reads normal.
What's with the "hot day" nonsense? The dyno can correct the actual numbers to bring them into alignment with standardized testing conditions. Science has figured this out a long time ago and the dyno manufacturers have incorporated these adjustments into their software, so as long as the dyno operator is showing corrected figures, you can not worry about what kind of day it was.
Bro i love all ur vid but 40 less hp on a hot day? I smell the big lie from Ducati because your old V4R claimed 214hp and now it has more power than the new one.
The BrenTune‘s are notoriously, weak on the Ducati’s. If you switched over to SLR, Woolwich, or Deussen I bet the V4R would probably beat the S. Note the only bike without the BrenTune is the bike that won the shoot out… Not a coincidence.
I agree, I don't like any canned tune. I prefer Woolwich, def. if you are running a wideband. You can pull the logs and make changes while on the street. In addition, you will be able to have a cleaner part throttle mapping.
@@johnnyblaze1372 THAT'S WHY !!! Show the basic too, and how much power is generated for what amount of money. Or may i miss some videostories that show a complete buildup of a bike?
@@dinnng how much cost the M 1000? a bit less than the v4 R but the v4 R has Ohlins best you can buy and full Brembo in Stock and a Engine that revs in stock 1000rpm more than the BMW.Lock the Parts that BMW puts on his s1000RR M Marzzochi,Sachs its clear that cost a bit less than the v4 R.
same day same Dyno maybe on a other day and other Dyno Number may be bigger but the Duc do 10 BHP more.I think this is always a good comparsion All Bike on the same day the same dyno to can judge the diffrence back to back
very disappointed with the result for the BMWs when brentuning announces more than 200hp at the wheel there we are surely far from the account surely just of marketing
Yeah..mine made 181 with all the goodies from bren..but stock exhaust on a 99 degree daily with no fans..which is like 121.. Realistically the 2023 s1000rr with a bren tune is a 190 to 195whp with optimal conditions. Where the bmw shines is putting down the power.
I own 2 bikes, 22 BMW S1000RR with full Brentune mods list and a 23 Triumph 1200rs full mods Brentune and neither hit close to what they should have. When questioning them about it, you will get a list of excuses.
Honestly I’m really not surprised at the results, especially with the heat wave we’ve been dealing with. I’d propose doing this same test again in October, and 1 last time in January. Im sure there will be different results, especially with some good ole free Nos with cold air. but also there’s 1 thing that is also hindering these numbers, and it’s the fact that I haven’t seen 1 dyno tuner that has a fan strong enough to produce the wind velocity of your bike doing 150+, thus unable to account for the ram air that most modern bikes have. I’ve seen 1 shop that after they dial it in on the rollers they take it out with a data logger and then further fine tune. Because I’m sure that air/fuel ratio changes with the ram air. So while manufacturers claim a horsepower number it makes sense you usually don’t see it on a stationary dyno. I’m only saying this because we know we don’t race on dynos, and while the graph may say one thing, the real world can produce a different outcome. IB you know you my man, and I’m not saying anything to be negative, I actually think this was a very informative video, as per usual.
6th gear (with stock gearing) is overdrive dyno’s always done in fifth. The results are….. low. In an old video you managed to push the bikes beyond 200+ rwhp even my old panigale is over that!
Well thts disappointing modern day superbikes all unrestricted for tht those numbers are really low v4r should have atleast made around 215- 220whp if they are actually making 240 cranck hp
I am completely shocked at these numbers. That has to be a slow dyno machine and if its not.. man these number are heartbreaking for the V4r , the BMW s1000rr.. and what really surprised me were the low dyno numbers on the Aprilia. Its no way!!!
Hasn't anyone noticed the ducati's are way off the claimed power!!! 199hp plus 12% for drivetrain loss is 222hp.. ducati claim 240+.. I'd be very disappointed really..
Damn those are some sad sad sad number now I'm scared to buy one of the m modes or v4r not even 200 with Brent ecu flash maybe cause no Akrapovic but damn so disappointing
Peak power output isnt really a relevant figure. You all know that 1103cc V4S absolutely slaughtered every bike on torque and hp at every rpm on the power band.
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Damn. Spec Sheets don't tell you the whole story. Those Panigale numbers are looking outstanding. Looking at add the M1000XR next to my ZX14. Might get the V4R next :D
The Dyno measures wheel horsepower not crank. So, the Crank HP could realistically be around 240. In my limited experience the Crank to Wheel difference tends to sit around 12.5%. However, I don't know if that figure scales well.
650 is the only channel, putting these bikes head to head. There are almost 0 dyno vids of a 2023 V4 Panigale anywhere on YT rn. 😂
Yessir. Thank you!
More Aprilia videos please.In my opinion and yes everybody has one,it’s definitely the best sounding bike you have and I also think the best looking.Great video!❤️🔥
Solid straight to the point. Loved the video, the numbers game is great to measure but conditions always change. Glad you did all of them together. Beautiful machines nonetheless!
the MIGHTY V4S doing its thing! 💪🏼
That dyno is a Heartbreaker lol
By far the lowest reader dyno numbers ive seen for any of these bikes 😂
No that’s very inline with what I’ve seen made elsewhere
yup mustang dyno right dere
you need to adjust to hp to the wheel to hp from the engine
@@brathersadda9436 who doesn't know that? Lol
the RSV4 sounds sooo good
yes....
Gorgeous bikes! Every single one of them! I would love to see some smack downs with your 1199r/1299 hybrid and see how it stacks up against the almighty V4r! Great videos, IB! Thank you for all the content you’ve allowed for us to enjoy!
You'd be better off wiping off the excess chain lube. The lube is only for the pivot points inside the chain and does nothing for the exterior except attract dirt.
M1000rr ❤
RSV4 ❤ and Panigale V4s ❤
These 3 are my most favorite 😍 😊🎉
for the humidity and heat index those numbers sound right, also comparing all together like this is fair for a good comparisons
My favorite thing you do thank you for what you do for the community
Thanks Bro! 🦾
Nothing better than the sound of that SC-Project CR-T on the RSV4!!!
What I usually do is clean the chain when the bike/chain is cold, rinse it off with water, take the bike around the block to warm up the chain, and then apply the chain lube
I'm a simple person when 650ib upload a new video I click watch it and enjoy 🤙🏼
Great video with 0 bs between bikes 👍👍👍
But, when lubing your chain you should always hit the inside rollers since, you know, centrifugal force an all.........
SEP 6 🇵🇷😳👍 thank you 😱♥️
I've been waiting for this video!!!
Good vid but I was kinda disappointed cuz no fireblade 😢😭
That’s cause they are weak sauce
@@robertsole9970 I know, but I was talking about the new one the RR-R that thing is fucking wild cuz ib posted a video last year where ib's Fireblade beat V4R! That thing is fucking WILD!
Apples to Apples as it should be done. Bravo
Thanks
650, we wanna see the V4S and the V4R on some real smack downs together
Coming soon!
Uuuuuu I can’t wait to see that one
It would be interested to see afr curves as well. To see how good tune is each bikes.
Hi sir those bikes are powerful bikes but i miss honda and Kawasaki bikes ❤..
Waoo all this bike flash by Bren tune 🥲🥲
For me one and only ducati V4R
Curious about the ducati special oil, will it make 3 hp more like they claimed?
WE INSIST of you using a proper RPM pick up on your dyno videos and invite you down to sunny Florida to get this done one more time!
agreed
Thanks, nice comparison
06:39 Looks like the armpit vent works great!
He should do this test again on a cold day, to show people that the bikes will make more HP with cool dense air, not the hot and humid air. It really does matter.
Have any videos of how you have your trailer setup? I have a sundowner trailer I want to setup to haul mine and my buddies bikes in
I'm making a video about my trailer soon. Email me and I will give you links to the products you'll need 650ib001@gmail.com
Dyno out here breaking hearts
Just for reference. U can expect to see 10whp more on all of these in better conditions so great B2B testing to see the difference. Akra low/upmap just worked better in the hot weather today. Sure bren has something up his sleeve.
I was really hoping that the RSV4 was going to be up there with Ducatis. Not surprised by any of these numbers though.
It was.. ?? Only a few hp different barely any different.. plus the rsv4 makes more torque
@@youtubed9695the torque wasn’t read on the RSV4 dyno run. Are you just assuming?
@@Nick-Edwards from previous dyno runs on the 650ib channel the rsv4 torque figures are there for your viewing pleasure 👍 plus its well known ducati is typically down on torque 😇
@@Nick-Edwards everyone knows Aprilia has the most TQ for sportbikes.
23 model ducati panigale v4 will destroy rsv4 1100 facts ducati is homicidal way more reliable and look way better then rsv4 1100
If you were in india with these beautiful bike until you could have 4 millions subscribers. For sure
Impressive video! Thanks
Interesting to say the least.
Would love to see a price\dollar per horsepower next. That would include stock vs mods\tune. That may really break some heads.
Always a good time!
Great video!
Thanks!
Those babies were screamin'!!!
Are you running the special oil?
What is the oil change frequency if you are?
Hey ib can't hope to notice you didn't wipe the chain after using the chain cleaner, also Motul seems to fling up terribly, unless it dries overnight
Also… I’m putting $ on that if you put a different tune on the V4R than the brentune.. it would make more
Anyone know what hat hes wearing at the end? I want to buy it
why does the bmw lack that so much power?? Even with adjusted wheel to crank hp
Damn them things scream geeeesssss 💪😎
Ib working? I’ve seen it all now
@650ib do you think the V4S would have made as much power as that with a Bren tune over the akra upmap?
I would love to know the weights, torque and where the power peaked.
Honest comparison of an awesome selection. Surprised at the HP gap with the Germans. V4S vs V4R no significant gap in hp is weird no? Anyhoo good info, great video!
Thanks Bro
v4r has a large gap over the v4s once you flash it with the race ECU map
@@650ibpanigale r i think peaks higher rpm in 6 th gear and probably means more hp in 6th gear.
That' was being said in Ducati premier i believe
Aprilia and V4s has a larger displacement so if you account for that they made same or slightly worse WHP than others. In summary, the 2023 Red Bmw has the best ROI. Great video and beautiful machines!
Cough cough, My R1 998cc, dynoed, 189.5hp.. I also have a penigale v4S.. give credit where it's due..
@@happyness5293 oh they do deserve credit, beautiful, sexy powerful machines. My comments were mainly regarding displacement, power and cost. Have a 23 S1000RRM myself and love the thing!
Rsv4 easily sounds the best, it’s not even close!
2022 m1000rr 181 HP WITH a bt stage one flash? Stock makes bigger numbers......
Mr 650 ib why do you put 1299 engine on a 1199 chassis/frame and not just buy a complete 1299 ??
If you dyno an s1000 in Brendon's headquarter the bike produces 205+ 😂 other dyno 190ish😅
yeah. because 190 is a realistic number. not to mention that the unmap from ducati produced more power than the bren tune.
@@TheRealBhuadothat its true if i make a Tune i will be alway choose OEM Ducati and dont forget the Shell Oil wich is made for gain a litle bit more Power
@@johnnyblaze1372 i am always using this shwll 15/50 fully synthetic from ducati for the sfv4
Hey.... It's because it was 100 degrees with 100% humidity during this dyno. I've never experienced those weather conditions at Brentuning. The dyno at Brentuning reads normal.
@johnnyblaze1372 and Shell gas believe it or not.. it gives the Ducati MORE HP
BMW says no lube at all for the chain
Please make on Almighty Kawasaki zx10r
Want to know a secret to show a really high HP output...just do one run super lean!
Impressive numbers for the Duc’s. Also impressed with the Aprillia, which sounded wicked!
Nice ❤❤
Still taking the king busa❤😂😂😂😂
What's with the "hot day" nonsense? The dyno can correct the actual numbers to bring them into alignment with standardized testing conditions. Science has figured this out a long time ago and the dyno manufacturers have incorporated these adjustments into their software, so as long as the dyno operator is showing corrected figures, you can not worry about what kind of day it was.
European BMW motorcycles have more horsepower than American ones.
Bro i love all ur vid but 40 less hp on a hot day? I smell the big lie from Ducati because your old V4R claimed 214hp and now it has more power than the new one.
How can you not love these machines??? 🐎🐎🐎🏁🏁🏁
HP and torque for clicks....those who chase those numbers have no clue what a bike true performance is
All you ducati haters can eat your ❤ out 😂. Lets go team ducati 🙌💪🫶
The BrenTune‘s are notoriously, weak on the Ducati’s. If you switched over to SLR, Woolwich, or Deussen I bet the V4R would probably beat the S. Note the only bike without the BrenTune is the bike that won the shoot out… Not a coincidence.
And yes, I have run both the Bren and the SLR tune on my own bike
I agree, I don't like any canned tune. I prefer Woolwich, def. if you are running a wideband. You can pull the logs and make changes while on the street. In addition, you will be able to have a cleaner part throttle mapping.
With all said and done... I'm not sure the cost difference in the M and the S is justified for only 4 more ponies.
You should bring some all original Bikes to compare...
that will be really sad dude,Bikes in Stock for the American Market has less Power as this what we have for Europe Market.
@@johnnyblaze1372 THAT'S WHY !!! Show the basic too, and how much power is generated for what amount of money. Or may i miss some videostories that show a complete buildup of a bike?
@@dinnng how much cost the M 1000? a bit less than the v4 R but the v4 R has Ohlins best you can buy and full Brembo in Stock and a Engine that revs in stock 1000rpm more than the BMW.Lock the Parts that BMW puts on his s1000RR M Marzzochi,Sachs its clear that cost a bit less than the v4 R.
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#650ib❤️
That Dyno is reading low, regardless of heat 😮
same day same Dyno maybe on a other day and other Dyno Number may be bigger but the Duc do 10 BHP more.I think this is always a good comparsion All Bike on the same day the same dyno to can judge the diffrence back to back
very disappointed with the result for the BMWs when brentuning announces more than 200hp at the wheel there we are surely far from the account surely just of marketing
Yeah..mine made 181 with all the goodies from bren..but stock exhaust on a 99 degree daily with no fans..which is like 121.. Realistically the 2023 s1000rr with a bren tune is a 190 to 195whp with optimal conditions. Where the bmw shines is putting down the power.
I own a BrenTuned S1k and I think it's snake oil. I bought it tuned, I preferred the way my previous bike rode without the bren.
I own 2 bikes, 22 BMW S1000RR with full Brentune mods list and a 23 Triumph 1200rs full mods Brentune and neither hit close to what they should have. When questioning them about it, you will get a list of excuses.
Honestly I’m really not surprised at the results, especially with the heat wave we’ve been dealing with. I’d propose doing this same test again in October, and 1 last time in January. Im sure there will be different results, especially with some good ole free Nos with cold air. but also there’s 1 thing that is also hindering these numbers, and it’s the fact that I haven’t seen 1 dyno tuner that has a fan strong enough to produce the wind velocity of your bike doing 150+, thus unable to account for the ram air that most modern bikes have. I’ve seen 1 shop that after they dial it in on the rollers they take it out with a data logger and then further fine tune. Because I’m sure that air/fuel ratio changes with the ram air. So while manufacturers claim a horsepower number it makes sense you usually don’t see it on a stationary dyno. I’m only saying this because we know we don’t race on dynos, and while the graph may say one thing, the real world can produce a different outcome. IB you know you my man, and I’m not saying anything to be negative, I actually think this was a very informative video, as per usual.
nos doesnt make sense on a dyno
but why only at 5th gear?
why not at 6th gear ?
pls someone tell me
I also have same question ❓
6th gear (with stock gearing) is overdrive dyno’s always done in fifth. The results are….. low. In an old video you managed to push the bikes beyond 200+ rwhp even my old panigale is over that!
6th gear is overdrive.
V4s more impressive then the V4R 👀
@@YoungL_rdits 100 ccm more
those bmw`s really don`t like the heat.
they dont. heat = richer conditions (fueling = less power)
So the v4r is supposed to make 30 more horsepower than the s but made less hp the on the dyno? Something doesn’t add up there lol
Well thts disappointing modern day superbikes all unrestricted for tht those numbers are really low v4r should have atleast made around 215- 220whp if they are actually making 240 cranck hp
I am completely shocked at these numbers. That has to be a slow dyno machine and if its not.. man these number are heartbreaking for the V4r , the BMW s1000rr.. and what really surprised me were the low dyno numbers on the Aprilia. Its no way!!!
What you expect? These are rearwheel numbers. For example the 192 from the ape are around 215 to 220 at the crank. So, see no problem there...
Dyno numbers don't mean shit.
Here peoples have fu*******g hayabusha and pretend like he have world expensive
Italians do it better
Hasn't anyone noticed the ducati's are way off the claimed power!!! 199hp plus 12% for drivetrain loss is 222hp.. ducati claim 240+.. I'd be very disappointed really..
Dont forget they claim that stock, all BS
They claim crank horsepower not rear wheel.
He explained, temperature makes a big difference in hp numbers. And different kinds of dynos produce different numbers with all the same variables.
@@chuck1622buy the ducati was 20hp off.. all the other bikes made over thier claimed power..
@@superboy3633 did you not read the top comment??????
No reason for the 2 m1000rr to produce so different numbers
They always produce different numbers.. they are not the same like the ducati's. Some engines produce Hella hp.. and some do not..
First
Dang shes a stingy girl that dyno
Damn those are some sad sad sad number now I'm scared to buy one of the m modes or v4r not even 200 with Brent ecu flash maybe cause no Akrapovic but damn so disappointing
Peak power output isnt really a relevant figure. You all know that 1103cc V4S absolutely slaughtered every bike on torque and hp at every rpm on the power band.