100% that since the tank opened his mouth they already knew that the key was going to fail while they were in the boat. Not even close to having aggro'd anything in the dungeon, yet already knowing it was a doomed run. You're so right, you accomplish NOTHING by behaving that way, ever. Rarely ever seen this trash behavior before anything even happend. wild. I'd stick with the healer and do the 14 after for a double upgrade.
If you go into a key with that kind of attitude you’re essentially creating a self fulfilling prophecy. Key hasn’t even started and your worried about people leaving, calling out brain dead dps, it just creates pressure that no one can make a mistake and then everyone is busy thinking about how they can’t screw up they forget to pay attention to what’s actually going on, and mistakes obviously happen. even with all their issues that key was still likely able to be timed if they could just work together.
Typically yes I totally agree. When you put pressure on others, you make them play worse. However, this isn't even the case here. The tank is the problem in everything we have shown, and instead he is blaming others. Its just IMPOSSIBLE to succeed when that happens.
@@heythereguysitsMetro absolutely, The tank is 1000% the reason for this keys failure, I'm just saying that a lesson to take away from this run is to be aware of the effect preconceived notions and attitudes can have on your run's.
I'm not saying I'm the best player either, I've tanked up to 2k io and that's it so far. I've had thoughts about going higher but stuff like this doesn't wanna make me go higher
I had the same two cats enrage and jump like this in a 25 cos today and our evoker healer aoe soothed them mid jump then pressed his racial to knock them back just as they were about to hit him. My point is I was impressed by the guy with 3.2k rio that did this and I dont think anyone was expecting him to pull out such a big play. Would have been fine if he just died because you cant expect inhuman reactions from people. And then you have this tank that expects the same play in a 15 where people dont expect it in a 25
bro. That evoker is serious man. He was prepared for that. Probably died to that many times, and was all;"not anymore you filthy animals!" I bet he felt amazing getting that combo off too.
I love how the warrior tank, who has the easiest way to neuter those cats besides the other warrior, blames the hunter, who has to press button, move circle thingy to location, press a second button. When all he had to do, as a tank watching health bars, is do what i do...and see the health getting low, Shockwave. when dps that great already, its gg kitties thanks for stopping by
I fully agree on the thundering for a tank. As a tank I hate moving for thundering, there's so much more to think about and now there was a rework that made it easier for DPS it should be even more unnecessary. I had a DPS leave +18 HoV because I jumped out to clear thundering on a ranged who was oblivious. It ended up causing a melee to get cleaved and leave. This was the first trash pull... wish I had it recorded I'm looking forward to the next seasonal affix, this one isn't so user friendly with people either clearing 1 second in or gettign stunned
@@heythereguysitsMetro On top of that. A tank is easy to find in the midst of the chaos. (he's where the pack of mobs is). Casters can be everywhere so to speak in a certain perimater around it. (As a Arms I sometimes struggle to clear off the thundering because I have to look for casters, and I can free movely compared to a tank)
I think that many of the players who carry on like that are actually tanking the key themselves, I think more people need to cotton on that the poor attitude like what was shown isn't just bad and toxic by itself, but it actively hampers keys. If you have to constantly type to defend yourself then you're not playing as you're typing, if you bring everyone down with negativity it just makes them play worse because they're discouraged. 2 examples my buddy and I did with a couple of +2 keys. Key 1: We were doing Temple of the Jade Serpent and throughout the dungeon it was clear that the Evoker Healer was new and didn't really understand what was going on, but we had a douche Priest just leave with no warning or chatter (he died due to him standing in stuff constantly) just before second last boss. We decided to continue and when we got to the last boss we got clapped by the Touch of Nothingness, which we found out that the Healer didn't know what a dispel was. My buddy, myself and the other rando Paladin in the group managed to talk this guy through using a dispel and after a couple more wipes, we completed the boss with 4 people (and only missed the timer by 5 or 6 minutes). What a fantastic result, the advice from the 3 of us was for him not to be discouraged. Key2: We were doing Halls of Valor (it was actually a 3) and the tank and the DPS Evoker (Evoker's first key) were both new and they pulled like it was a random dungeon and obviously as you can tell we had a few wipes and a few deaths, but we managed to talk them through along with the experienced Shaman and we managed to time the key with 1m 30s left on the timer despite the couple of wipes and much time wasted, but we did it together as a group and didn't let each other get discouraged (I also remembered to record this key lol). Both of these keys in the last couple of days have just filled me with happiness because we were able to get a good result and we didn't give in to our frustration and had a blast along the way (it's also funny to watch it back, the tank got yeeted from Odyn and the circle, absolutely funny moment).
Ya that's exactly what I was trying to raise awareness about in this video. Hopefully these people who are acting that way can start to see that all they are doing is harming their own success rate. You have to at least TRY to work as a team.
If you PUG you should know that for each successful run, there might be 5 that will be absolutely dreadful. That's just how it is, no reason to rage about it and be a toxic soab. I main prot warrior and the funny thing is that I had 2 +18 CoS yesterday. One which we timed perfectly and one where we ended at 48min (because of lacking dps mostly, we wiped like 3 times at second boss and 4 times at the dreadlord spy because everything was full of bats eventually). This is the reality - bitching about it on top is a decision the player makes. No reason to make yourself feel even worse by being mad all the time. If you PUG M+ and have good performance and improvements, you eventually climb up in keys even if most of the runs will still be a mess (how can they be otherwise from ~+12 upwards if not for luck because you can't have elaborate strategies on the spot with people you just met?). M+ is supposed to be a grind especially in PUGs.
Aside from the ratios you used, I agree totally. Its not meant to be easy, so expecting everything to go perfectly is just assuring you have a zero chance of being satisfied.
Wish I was recording a SBG 14 I did where this boomkin was lying dead at Ner'zhul (stood in crap) and berating the rest of the group for not brezzing... except the only one who even had brez was him. DPS was generally low and with one down, the rest failed to kill the skeleton in time and we wiped. Boomkin keeps ranting and claiming the **DH** could have brezzed (lol?) until somebody leaves. I couldn't believe it, a disband on the last damn boss when we still had time just because this guy couldn't keep his mouth shut about something he knew nothing about. Perfect example of what you're talking about, acting like this just wastes your own time and throws away keys that could have been salvaged.
I've had situations where I failed to time a low key that should have been super easy, with a relatively geared team because 1 or 2 players in it just kept whining and complaining the whole time instead of just doing their jobs. On the other hand, I did even harder and more difficult keys with really undergeared teams that didn't even know what they were doing for the most part, but still managed to time, even while casually chatting and stuff. Of course, it also depends on the Key, I think the failed one was HOI(Which is almost unplayable for me due to lag) and the successful one in this case was NL, which is probably one of the easier Keys this season. I mean, there have been plenty of similar instances of both cases being true. But the point is that a positive attitude will make even the most difficult situations feel better than a negative attitude in the best of situations lol. I also remember this one particular Uldaman 17, my first 17 completion this season, though it wasn't timed. I was tanking on my pally with like 420 ilvl. My spec was... Pretty bad. I basically had to kite literally everything in order to not get killed. I was doing more healing than the healer, not on myself, but the ground. The robot boss, the rest of the team died and it was just me and a hunter for 90% of the fight. The whole thing was like 70 minutes by the time we finished. However, we actually had fun lmao. And it felt like a real accomplishment because of how challenging it was and the fact that we didn't take it too seriously, at least nobody quit even after like 80-120 deaths.
I so rarely leave keys now because blizzard has put so much benefit in infusions to complete keys. It’s actually genius strategy to motivate keys to stay together to the end regardless of time in easier keys and people still leave. Especially for alts that need at least 50 or so completed 16s when you are trying to have crafted gear but I guess some people just live perpetually angry
It is for sure, but sadly with gearing being so expensive and gold hard to come by, its not really working out as a good incentive for keys long term in the season. At least for me.
Tbh the tank even pulling the double sabers inside the house by the pillar is a bad move. After getting the docks the % from the sabers in the house isn’t needed. Especially on fortified/raging weeks. This route just looked harder than usual from the get go. They don’t even lust on the docks. What are they saving it for? The boss? Then the tank just falls over on the final trash pack before the first boss. I’m just gonna say here that this tank is just punching above their weight and imposing toxicity in order to sound correct to newbie players. You can even see in the ElitismHelper party chat spam the tank died because they sat inside the charged smash cloud. Idk if they were busy typing a rebuttal to the hunter or not but it's completely their own fault.
i agree, but if you are gonna pull those sabers, you really want to stun 1 right before its leap goes out to desync them. tank likely had stormbolt and coulda prevented it, although obviously its a lot easier to blame your hunter( who also coulda done it)
my guess is they pulled the manasabers because the tank didnt want to risk ass pulls, which ive had happen many times. but yeah its pretty easy to deal with and you can desync with a stun, which the warrior should have (cant say for sure because i dont think it was tracked)
I've done so many keys this season and I've been lucky enough to only experience these players 2 or 3 times. Compared to something like league of legends where this kind of behaviour happens quite literally on a per game basis. This situation reminds me a lot like when players in league are smurfing in a really low rank game like bronze and then have the audacity to flame their team because they're playing bad. Have some self awareness, it's a god damn +15 like what do you even expect? People are bound to make mistakes at that level.
there was already 10 seconds in the Key too much said 😆 The first stun situation... yes for me after this is a heavy frontal group i would say the best option is that the warri goes to the shami but at the end they are all3 guilty because noone of them moved 😅 I love to get stunned in such situation as a tank when you dont even have the choice to destack by yourself because of frontals. After all my Pug experiences, and i play a lot 😉, less is more. Another Streamer , i think it was Growl, said something like " you can't change them, at the end of the day they will become better or still go same height 5 weeks later". That changed a lot for me. As a tank i try to give advice if needed but also try to say less than possible.
Unfortunate that the toxicity of the tank is discovered after the key was inserted. I try and determine if people will be problematic before the key starts and just leave when I have concerns. Tried to squeeze in a CoS over lunch and two (Ragnaros) players that had been in the group since before I joined were still in the city when everyone else was in dungeon. Decided to play some Diablo 3 instead.
Ya, tbh that type of lazy behavior is a very stable indicator in my experience. The shaman didn't handle it well at all though, asking about leavers once the key started. Not good all around.
There has been 2-3 times that i remember that i have thrown shit at. And always after that my gameplay starts to crap out totally because i get pissed off and dont focus. So if there wasnt any mistakes before hand there starts to be after that crap.
Ragnaros aside I knew this was gonna be some juice the moment they died to thundering, I feel there is no world in a pug where people need to min max thundering.
I feel like ranged should be clearing with melee in that first spot. It's so much easier for ranged to clear with melee than melee to leave melee range and go to the ranged player
I main warlock and if the only person left to clear with is melee then i do my best to get in melee range to clear. However, if i was a melee for example, if the ranged didnt come to me then to avoid being stunned id scoot the 10 yards over to clear with them myself. Esp in this video example. Thats just pug life sometimes.
I legit was watching that, and my failures with rescue were triggering hard. I was, in my mind as a viewer, starting to panic, and remember the clickbind for rescue to force the shaman into melee. XD
Why exactly do you think it is easier for a ranged to stop casting and walk into melee than for a melee to lose a bit of uptime? Does the melee not know where the ranged player is?
Had a bm hunter do 7k dps overall in a 13 NO(spammed arcane shot and not a single kill command), another hunter leave after first pull of his key for no reason no deaths we cleared the first pull easily, had balance Druid starfall single target. Low key pugging is the hardest thing in the game.
Today i healed 11+ jade temple. My team was flaming me after the 2nd boss. During the last boss fight i got kicked, they thought the boss would go down without me. It didn´t. We could have done it, but they decided to spend their ressources on being mean.
Nicest and coolest pugs I’ve done are from Frostmourne and Barthilas servers even with the latency difference. Worst are from every Latin America server: Azralon, Quelthalas and of course Ragnaros.
It's ALWAYS RAG! I had a druid from rag tell me i should be able to stand there and tank the last pack of Jade on fort/bolstering week with NO CC/slows etc coming out for my group- he cussed at me called me all sorts of fun names.
I REFUSE REFUSE!!! To group with another Ragnaros player. I was in a RLP 15 two days ago, it was my first 15 RLP on my VDH and, although I knew the dungeon and route well, I was nervous. I made the mistake of inviting a 2400 havoc DH from Rag, 4th pull in, he calls me crazy for my conservative pulls. I think nothing of it at the time, just chock it up to strange rag behavior. Then, when trying to hug the wall to the right to only pull the one caster, and the guard to the first boss room, I guess no one got the memo to hug the right wall and they all pulled everything. I die trying to herd cats. Then I tell everyone to stack on me on first boss and move with me and bring debuff mechanic to the center. No one listens. When we get to the first mini boss dragon, our healer runs right into the breath and gets skeeted on, dead, lock as well. By the end of the run our healer Druid dies about 10 times, our shaman about 8 and our lock about 6. We were 3 mins over time and I said at the end of the run, “sorry for deaths.” Taking responsibility for my bad play. The Rag DH straight out calls me and the lock trash and tells me to go back to 13s where I belong. I normally don’t let things like that bother me, but the fact that a Rag player calls me trash in a silly 15 is pathetic. I message him asking him to elaborate because I’m trying to improve, and he says my route was bad and my threat was trash and then proceeds to berate me further. I tell him, “it seems your ego is way to inflated for your score, it’s not like you’re 3k competing in MDI.” Told him to have a great day, that I’m only running my keys to try to push and improve as a player. Again he proceeds to berate me further. I’ve since then completed an atrocious 17 TJS, timed my first 17 NO, and 16 COS. Got a 17 RLP to try tomorrow. Needless to say, I wish there was a way to black list servers from showing up in your LFG when you start a group or find a group. I’ve grouped with a lot of Rag players trying to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their terrible attitude, but EVERY DAMN ONE never cease to prove how terrible that server is. I’m calling you out Ragnaros, do better, be better.
timing 20s on sbg and cos is like 16. those are freefrags. for me if im the key holder and looking for a group to push my own key, sbg and cos will be the lowest priority i see. might take awhile but it can help u in the long run.
Meh if you get roasted by some one this clueless does it even matter? Record your runs, and if it happens, I'll help you learn from it and get better. I bet it wont though tbh.
honestly, everyone makes mistakes. Nothing to really worry about as long as you learn from them and (try) to do better next time you're in that same spot. There are people out there like warrior dude in this video who just start dissing immediately, but in my experience most people are fairly forgiving of small mistakes (or just too unaware to notice them). People do seem to get upset if you die like 15 times in a row to the same mechanic, eg a rogue eating the same frontal and going splat all dungeon long will get people worked up. You could argue it's fair at that point, but also useless to point out and not helping. Now for my totally biased take on the vid. Have to say i am absolutely not surprised at all that the dude going ballistic is a warrior tank. I swear warr tanks in low to middling keys are the worst players, both attitude and gameplay ability wise. They clearly rolled the fomo tank cause they believed that would make them successful. They constantly pull off either A. Horrendously inefficient routes, or B. Try ridiculous MDI type pulls, fail to establish any kind of aggro on anything or get it grouped properly. Then blame just about anyone but themselves for stuff going wrong.
Dont worry too much about it. Plenty of people make mistakes even in higher keys. Knowing the mechanics and what to interrupt already puts you in the top few% of the players.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Thank you metro I think I will start recording my runs and send theme to you if I run into anything like this.. I appreciate any tips
@@TheLeroy125 Thank you makes me feel less anxious now. I am currently barely climbing to 18s but I am getting there :) yeh the warrior was having a bad day lol
Another hilarious scenario is when you get a toxic player that ends up being the problem but is bitching and moaning in chat until the very end, then has the cheek to ask you to trade the item that dropped for you. 😂
As tank I’m usually the one who gets yelled at 😅 for anything. Pulling more? Wtf tank pull less idiot… pull less? Wtf tank, pull more idiot. Horrible route. Tank is clueless. Did you buy your score? (yes, as tank….). I usually tend to lash out to myself irl when the healer doesn’t heal me in time… because it doesn’t understand that DK is proactive healing and not reacting healing as other tanks…. I only start to rebuke back when they start to be very offensive.
Whatever you do it just can be false for one of them 🤣 In my last Ruby 20 the heal ,obviously scared fom his last key, asked " you not go to do some insane MDI pulls please yes..." I told him we will do this smooth and fast as possible. 5 seconds later the arms told me to pull the big boy into the next 4 caster groups 😂
Well the best way to look at it is, those people are just wrong. Do we care about people who are WRONG telling us what we are doing wrong? No, we don't. It might hurt some, but learning when you are doing something wrong vs when you are just playing with children is a vital skill when playing a tank in pugging.
@@heythereguysitsMetro you are so right. One Tank skill has to be ignore people who saying dumb things 👍 It's like in real life... people don't do and never did a job always knows better how to...
I would like to see those guys act like that in a hockey team. The funny thing is COS had one of the most generous timer. I timed it in 22 fort and tyr easy. With the DPS they had they could have timed the 15 with 40 deaths and 2-3 wipes probably.
I think part of the problem in general is that, although its just a 15, there are a TON on fundamental mistakes people make that they should be working out of their system in the sub 10 range. And mistakes are fine and all but by +10 you should be very aware that you need to interrupt/cc. By +15 you should know the important spells and important mob mechs. I think that's very generous tbh. Not sure what the solution is (and 100% not defending this guy) but no one likes carrying people that are acting as an additional affix because they are playing a key wayyyy beyond their exp/performance level.
I don't get how the tank blames the hunter for the mana sabers not using utility when he could've used shockwave/stormbolt, other warrior also might have had stormbolt and shaman capacitor totem, it was useless flaming and the better thing to do was to say nothing and keeping moving through the dungeon but the prot warrior decided to take the zug zug to another level.
Ya I mean that's the same with the thundering thing too. He refuses to do anything and then blames everyone else and not only BLAMES them, but FLAMES them.
15's a low key? thats a high key for me, there are tiers baby(2-3) low(4-8) medium(9-12) high(13-16) Hard(17-19) and challenge(20+) thats how i look at them
Ya, anything under the gear cap would be considered low right now. I don't have all these distinctions though. Its either low keys (1-19) or high keys (20+)
Unfortunately these kind of people don’t think critically, or think much at all really. Everything is someone else’s fault and they can’t even see their own flaws. Also I think a lot of people don’t realise how much they are being carried by other people in keys, then they hit some challenge where things aren’t going perfectly and they can’t handle it and just leave
Ya, that's the saddest part. They don't realize they can actually improve in the situation they are in and just blame others for 100 percent of issues.
I knew this was gonna be good the second I saw Ragnaros haha. I had a tank with a similar attitude back in BFA in a shrine run who stayed til we got to the last boss and then left before we pulled. Luckily our warrior switched to prot and we were able to finish the key. But idk man the level of ego with some of these players is astounding.
Rag EU is still a cesspit and is often regarded as such, alongside places like kazzak EU. the average player from EU rag MIGHT be better than the US counterpart but they're every bit as toxic, if not more so.
Sadly this kind of behavior is getting all the more common, not only in gaming, but in everyday life. We recently had to deal with cyber-bullying in our youngest child's class, where some of the commentary would get you banned here instantly. 10 year olds, bullying each other. Maybe I'm just an old fart, but it is mindboggling having to deal with this crap. We have tried to teach our kids not to write anything they wouldn't say face to face to another person, but hey, that's just our take on it. It seems that, for a lot of people (generalising, I know), the idea is, that you can get away with writing anything, once parked in front of a screen, because you are "anonymous" on the interwebs.
Hmm so sorry to hear that man. I hope your child is okay. Same thing happened to a friend of mine and it has caused a lot of damage that's still working towards being undone. Its a cruel world out there, and the general population is doing nothing towards helping solve it, it seems.
@@heythereguysitsMetro people blame you for everything in shuffle, even when theres so much they couldve done better, but honestly its not as bad as THIS dude in this video
One.. I gave up m+ this week had 5 runs in a row 18-19 HOV people asking me ttto pull everyone till dragon just for everyone to die multiple times and people leaving right away... it was crazy to see
Pretty tough pull tbh. I do it, but only because I can reasonably solo it. I think it is still faster to do it that way provided people aren't chain dying.
There should be some kind of punishment for idiots like this. Did a +10 nokhud offensive with a friend, used my keystone. Didn’t play that dungeon since like a week (we are both nurses working full time) both new players only since Dragonflight. Trying to learn. My friend dies twice in the first few pulls because of two missed interrupts. I died later on because I forgot a mechanic. Other than that a flawless run. The Tank a blood DK over 400ilvl and his friend a 364 Ret Paladin starting to tell us we should delet the game and we are POS while we literally carried his friend and just effd up a little bit just went nuts on us. Things like that really discourage players. I now always look for other players that do it for fun.
To be fair, this guy is very close to being qualified for a chat ban, so there IS punishments for something like this. But otherwise its all covered under pugging, which Blizzard does not want people doing, sadly.
You’re a nurse? My wife and I are travel nurses, hit me up on Stormrage-tuxedohunt if you need a tank. VDH here, looking for chill peeps to progress with.
I have so much anxiety over how bad I am but I need to do more 10+ keys to get better. Unfortunately I don't want to be a burden so I tend to just stay 9 or under
If you can do a 9, you can most deff do a 10. That's my opinion at least. There's not much difference between the two except you also have Thundering which is not hard to manage with WeakAuras.
@@heythereguysitsMetro it just feels overwhelming tracking all the mechanics while trying to keep up my dmg as a sub rogue. It would probably be easier with more practice as this is my first time playing anything other than bm hunter and 1st time doing M+.
@@corvette112795 Well I can say you are overthinking it. A 10 is extremely easy and you should certainly not put up artificial walls to slow your progression. If you have any questions let me know!
I honestly hate randoms and pugs. Not that all of them are bad, but those that are just get my blood boiling. I hate leavers who ruin the key for others, I hate some of the playerbase that are just toxic. If I ever pug I mostly don't say anything or try to be constructive, but even that can upset some people for whatever reason.
It's tough but it's just life. You'll run into people like that all over the world. Gotta be able to handle people when they are overly emotional or just flat out telling you something that isn't correct.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Well true, for my own sanity however I prefer to play with premades. Even if we fail at something you know nobody will leave. That way we finish keys. At start of the season we sometimes grind through a high key but that way you still learn what trashpacks are dangerous, how to play bosses ect. It is just more enjoyable that way for me, since doing high-ish keys (we mostly play till like 21-22 in a season and time all 20s) is hard enough at times without the "pug diffculty" added to the mix
I play in a tank/healer duo and we pug the dps for our keys. I'm the healer and he's the tank and he's Australian. His favorite word is c*nt. Let's just say we have dps leave our keys all the time. Not that I mind honestly, I'm tired of healing so much stupid and now I have someone that calls them out for me.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Honestly don't think Blizzard cares. Been doing it for months and months and he's been notified of multiple reports with no actions taken. Blizzard is just hands off right now it seems.
@@-a-s-a-s- Its an automatied system, no employee reviews and handles it. If you use hateful language enough and get enough reports, you get silenced. Just a warning, as it semes like you and him are pretty hostile puggers as it is. Might be time to think about forming a group of like-minded players and then you wont have to worry about all these issues you are fighting about, right? Would be best for everyone, it sounds.
@@enzoshink7597 As a SA player, i can relate to that. SA servers are full of toxic and bad players in every sense, WAY more than any other server in Americas. Azralon and Ragnaros are, indeed, redflags.
@Enzo Shink its not, everyone is aware that there are exceptions to the rule. Not everyone I play with from ragnaros is bad, but if there's a bad player in my group there's a 99% chance they're from ragnaros, quelthalas, or azralon.
I caugth a guy the other day I was on my fresh Ench Shaman (like had no tier pieces couple of crafted nothing to crazy ) My friend was helping me as a tank War and we pugged the rest ... ( We used the IO from my friend since normaly it helps to bring better player) (its a 12 HOV *Im like 376ilvl(not supposed to be there) So we bring a warior DPS 403 ilvl 5 tier pieces bonus a priest heal over gear also for a 12 and a hunter 400ilvl 4 tier pieces ... (Everyone is around 2k+ io ITS ALOT FOR A 12 XD) The war complain all key long about the fact That Shaman Enh should be nerf since YES IM gapping him ... its for me IMPOSSIBLE since WAR are quite the powerhousing in keys... and hes perfoming UNDER the tank... the dungeon END (we timed a +1 yes becasue he died took every mortal Hew possible ability in his face ) My friend call him on the fact he somehow time 15 without knowing any fight ( cause he clearly showed he knew nothing and finish a like 27k overall It take talent a 403 with 4tierpieces) But than he proceed to say it was the tank fault he wasnt used to the pulls. That when the hunter said yeah that why EVERY SINGLE of ur 15 are done with 3k player IO that why you bought so we laught and we caught him he than log on his MAIN ( 1 rogue with the same ILVL with 13-15 keys and a random 20+ timed) He even ask 'a random friend to defend his point that he wasnt paying keys. wich just by his behavior and knowing how the climb his ... its almsot impossible unless you have really good friend that you will go into a 20 when you have 0 17-18-19 done XD
It's sad as that group could of easily timed that. The whole group seemed to be rushing around a bit too much and then dying. It would of been better if the tank pulled a bit safer. I feel sometimes that as a tank, you have to ignore comments like "pull more" and "why this route?". In some groups you have to go back to basics and play safe. At least get it done in time. Just my opinion.
Idk, I was thinking about telling the group "my patience with stupid people is below 0." I think that will make them realize how valued they are and will help us upgrade the key. Gonna try it out today.
I quit about the same time Mythics became a thing, just really not into the whole competitive nature that it breeds. I say this as someone who enjoyed Arenas, go figure.
IRL buddy who got me into the game linked me to the "players who don't do outside research are toxic" thread on reddit to justify why he doesn't play with me. I enjoy exploring routes, packs, and bosses myself, and I managed to get to KSH on prot war this season. This interaction with my friend has completely put me off from the game entirely, and I haven't logged in in about a week and still really have no desire to do so. Do you have any opinions on that mindset? Do you think my friend is justified?
Treating other people like they aren't people is never justified, so would be silly to comment further. That is not some one who is a friend, so all I can say is I'm sorry that happened to you and I hope you wont blame the game for it. Its certainly not something Blizzard would encourage.
My question to you would be: Where do you learn the dungeon? Did you do the dungeons a bunch on M0 or very low at the start or do you "explore" in normal runs? given that you have KSH now, would you say that you know the vast majority of mechanics in the current dungeon pool?
@@ThomasBachler01 I would say I'm pretty in tune with the current rotation at this point except RLP, where my best run is untimed 17. I have timed 18 or 19 on everything else for both weeks. I didn't learn in M0's because most mechanics are kind of invisible to faceroll, I mostly learned mechanics as they became problems. Some of those problems did not become evident until +15, such as third boss TOJS's jade serpent strike dot. I think there is absolutely an argument to be made that I ruined a lot of runs by not learning outside of runs, and that's not fair to the people I've played with. I still don't know if that would make my playstyle invalid though. If it does, WoW just isn't the game for me. I dunno.
@@bbouncy12 I think it will always come down to expectations within a group. Personally I would argue that if you are eager to learn and aware what is going on and notice if other people are compensating for something, then that is fine to do. The other thing would be (taking the TJS example) if in keys prior to +15 you did not use any def CD, got a huge debuff that your healer then took care of and then it only became an "issue" when you died to it. That would be a completely different thing, but in a group of people that talk to each other that can't really happen, so just find a grp of likeminded people.
I used to think that, and that it was a "bad day" but I have seen this way too many times too frequently. For example, the guy I referenced in the start who leaves on the first pull of Freehold has been reported to me having done that same selfish behavior for years. This kinda thing really doesn't happen in a vacuum. If you were having a bad day you probably would not be playing a video game.
I would have probably gotten mad at some point with this group as well, but raging in the first 15 seconds while doing glaring and stupid mistakes afterwards is simply disgusting. I can tolerate both elitist flamers and silent/sorry noobs, but a flaming noob is not worth carrying through a dungeon, out of respect for the people that will check their score in the future if nothing else. I wish every group that warrior gets in disbands until he either becomes a near-perfect player or learns to shut up.
Ya I mean, I get frustrated with groups all the time. But if your goal is to actually finish the key you signed up for, this behavior is beyond counterproductive.
Its because it requires a lot of the basics. And the lower key you do the less people have a command over that. Turns a very easy dungeon into the very hardest.
CoS as a whole is where a coordinated group has the biggest impact. It has a lot of mechanics that basically do nothing if you do it right and are terrible if you do it wrong.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Thats not to say they can't improve but they were not ready for the content of a 15, as shown by the pulls and the tank deaths. The dps was lackluster, even the hunter was doing quite low dmg. I couldn't see the healing meters but it looked like the healer was having problems keeping people alive before everything went terribly wrong. The tank should consider critiquing his own deaths and should pre stun if he thinks the hunter has time for a soothe. Overall it's pretty obvious this wasn't going to go well given all of the data available. Its best to just leave and not give any feedback because people aren't at that level in this group. I'm surprised this was recorded at all.
@@RitmeFPS i think its awesome you record your gameplay. One step further to mastery of yr class. Also I would seriously recommend a Heads up weak aura like those made by Luxthos, Naowh, or Hijack. GL out there!
To each their own I'd say. For someone who regularly does 20's and above it's a low key, for someone who does 10's or close to it, it's a high key. It just comes down to persoanl experience I guess.
@@Sara-it9se I wouldn't agree with that. This has been predicated on Blizzard's reward structure for me the whole time. Right now, a 20 is the max reward. So any players looking to do keys casually but still max their rewards are going to be doing 20s. This means anything lower than a 20 would be a "low" key. I think that's just the facts of the matter, but I get this is a confusing bit of nomenclature. One way or another, it has nothing to do with item level in my eyes.
Gotta give the healer some kudos for healing thru all that and not saying a word, he's a shining example of "minding my own business"
You're so right 🤣👍
I think he knew we were getting a gold mine video haha
“Oh boy I can’t to get home and sabotage keys with my terrible attitude and just waste everyone’s time”
This guy probably
Its wild right? What would be going on in his head to think this is appropriate.
100% that since the tank opened his mouth they already knew that the key was going to fail while they were in the boat.
Not even close to having aggro'd anything in the dungeon, yet already knowing it was a doomed run.
You're so right, you accomplish NOTHING by behaving that way, ever.
Rarely ever seen this trash behavior before anything even happend. wild.
I'd stick with the healer and do the 14 after for a double upgrade.
Ya, its just above and beyond. Really sad. Doing nothing but harming themselves.
I appreciate the shaman trying to defuse the situation and take accountability for the butt pull. The tank was way too heated- even at the boat ride
Ya, he was out of control for sure.
If you go into a key with that kind of attitude you’re essentially creating a self fulfilling prophecy. Key hasn’t even started and your worried about people leaving, calling out brain dead dps, it just creates pressure that no one can make a mistake and then everyone is busy thinking about how they can’t screw up they forget to pay attention to what’s actually going on, and mistakes obviously happen. even with all their issues that key was still likely able to be timed if they could just work together.
Typically yes I totally agree. When you put pressure on others, you make them play worse.
However, this isn't even the case here. The tank is the problem in everything we have shown, and instead he is blaming others. Its just IMPOSSIBLE to succeed when that happens.
@@heythereguysitsMetro absolutely, The tank is 1000% the reason for this keys failure, I'm just saying that a lesson to take away from this run is to be aware of the effect preconceived notions and attitudes can have on your run's.
@@darkwhisperings4641 Totally agree.
This video kind of summed up some of the 15 keys I've run so far. Gets to first packs and just drops keys
I'm not saying I'm the best player either, I've tanked up to 2k io and that's it so far. I've had thoughts about going higher but stuff like this doesn't wanna make me go higher
Luckily this is far from the norm. But ya, in general, way too many people who just have no control over their own emotions.
You've to imagine "Ragnaros" as a prison, being mean is the only way to survive their.
Hell exists
Ha well it is EU rag though!
I had the same two cats enrage and jump like this in a 25 cos today and our evoker healer aoe soothed them mid jump then pressed his racial to knock them back just as they were about to hit him. My point is I was impressed by the guy with 3.2k rio that did this and I dont think anyone was expecting him to pull out such a big play. Would have been fine if he just died because you cant expect inhuman reactions from people. And then you have this tank that expects the same play in a 15 where people dont expect it in a 25
haha ya exactly. Well said! Legendary play tbh
bro. That evoker is serious man. He was prepared for that. Probably died to that many times, and was all;"not anymore you filthy animals!" I bet he felt amazing getting that combo off too.
Love the content regardless, been watching since BFA, keep em' coming please!
Thanks, can do!
I love how the warrior tank, who has the easiest way to neuter those cats besides the other warrior, blames the hunter, who has to press button, move circle thingy to location, press a second button. When all he had to do, as a tank watching health bars, is do what i do...and see the health getting low, Shockwave. when dps that great already, its gg kitties thanks for stopping by
Its pretty embarrassing to realize that the shockwave would have been long enough to keep them stunned until death too.
Oh Ragnaros, you never seem to disappoint!
Haha nope, even on EU!
Blows my mind how many 1500-2000 rating m+ players from that region have no idea what they’re doing..
Saw that immediately and immediately came down to say something about it LOL
@@Artibeast many have a lot of golds ....
@@Artibeast you should be able to lose rating if you don't time a key or leave a key Force people to play better
I fully agree on the thundering for a tank.
As a tank I hate moving for thundering, there's so much more to think about and now there was a rework that made it easier for DPS it should be even more unnecessary. I had a DPS leave +18 HoV because I jumped out to clear thundering on a ranged who was oblivious. It ended up causing a melee to get cleaved and leave. This was the first trash pull... wish I had it recorded
I'm looking forward to the next seasonal affix, this one isn't so user friendly with people either clearing 1 second in or gettign stunned
Ya no doubt, tank should not expect to have to deal with it. But if you can and you don't, you also can't about others messing up.
@@heythereguysitsMetro On top of that. A tank is easy to find in the midst of the chaos. (he's where the pack of mobs is). Casters can be everywhere so to speak in a certain perimater around it. (As a Arms I sometimes struggle to clear off the thundering because I have to look for casters, and I can free movely compared to a tank)
@@Vadegu I don't think anyone is debating the tank's role in thundering right now.
I think that many of the players who carry on like that are actually tanking the key themselves, I think more people need to cotton on that the poor attitude like what was shown isn't just bad and toxic by itself, but it actively hampers keys. If you have to constantly type to defend yourself then you're not playing as you're typing, if you bring everyone down with negativity it just makes them play worse because they're discouraged.
2 examples my buddy and I did with a couple of +2 keys.
Key 1: We were doing Temple of the Jade Serpent and throughout the dungeon it was clear that the Evoker Healer was new and didn't really understand what was going on, but we had a douche Priest just leave with no warning or chatter (he died due to him standing in stuff constantly) just before second last boss. We decided to continue and when we got to the last boss we got clapped by the Touch of Nothingness, which we found out that the Healer didn't know what a dispel was. My buddy, myself and the other rando Paladin in the group managed to talk this guy through using a dispel and after a couple more wipes, we completed the boss with 4 people (and only missed the timer by 5 or 6 minutes). What a fantastic result, the advice from the 3 of us was for him not to be discouraged.
Key2: We were doing Halls of Valor (it was actually a 3) and the tank and the DPS Evoker (Evoker's first key) were both new and they pulled like it was a random dungeon and obviously as you can tell we had a few wipes and a few deaths, but we managed to talk them through along with the experienced Shaman and we managed to time the key with 1m 30s left on the timer despite the couple of wipes and much time wasted, but we did it together as a group and didn't let each other get discouraged (I also remembered to record this key lol).
Both of these keys in the last couple of days have just filled me with happiness because we were able to get a good result and we didn't give in to our frustration and had a blast along the way (it's also funny to watch it back, the tank got yeeted from Odyn and the circle, absolutely funny moment).
Ya that's exactly what I was trying to raise awareness about in this video. Hopefully these people who are acting that way can start to see that all they are doing is harming their own success rate. You have to at least TRY to work as a team.
If you PUG you should know that for each successful run, there might be 5 that will be absolutely dreadful. That's just how it is, no reason to rage about it and be a toxic soab. I main prot warrior and the funny thing is that I had 2 +18 CoS yesterday. One which we timed perfectly and one where we ended at 48min (because of lacking dps mostly, we wiped like 3 times at second boss and 4 times at the dreadlord spy because everything was full of bats eventually). This is the reality - bitching about it on top is a decision the player makes. No reason to make yourself feel even worse by being mad all the time. If you PUG M+ and have good performance and improvements, you eventually climb up in keys even if most of the runs will still be a mess (how can they be otherwise from ~+12 upwards if not for luck because you can't have elaborate strategies on the spot with people you just met?). M+ is supposed to be a grind especially in PUGs.
Aside from the ratios you used, I agree totally. Its not meant to be easy, so expecting everything to go perfectly is just assuring you have a zero chance of being satisfied.
These guys typing midpull are my alltime favorites.
Ya no doubt
Right? Who looks at chat while in combat? Thundering, quaking, interrupts, frontals - chatting in combat is a dumb way to wipe during M+.
Wish I was recording a SBG 14 I did where this boomkin was lying dead at Ner'zhul (stood in crap) and berating the rest of the group for not brezzing... except the only one who even had brez was him. DPS was generally low and with one down, the rest failed to kill the skeleton in time and we wiped. Boomkin keeps ranting and claiming the **DH** could have brezzed (lol?) until somebody leaves. I couldn't believe it, a disband on the last damn boss when we still had time just because this guy couldn't keep his mouth shut about something he knew nothing about. Perfect example of what you're talking about, acting like this just wastes your own time and throws away keys that could have been salvaged.
Record them for sure!
I've had situations where I failed to time a low key that should have been super easy, with a relatively geared team because 1 or 2 players in it just kept whining and complaining the whole time instead of just doing their jobs. On the other hand, I did even harder and more difficult keys with really undergeared teams that didn't even know what they were doing for the most part, but still managed to time, even while casually chatting and stuff. Of course, it also depends on the Key, I think the failed one was HOI(Which is almost unplayable for me due to lag) and the successful one in this case was NL, which is probably one of the easier Keys this season. I mean, there have been plenty of similar instances of both cases being true. But the point is that a positive attitude will make even the most difficult situations feel better than a negative attitude in the best of situations lol.
I also remember this one particular Uldaman 17, my first 17 completion this season, though it wasn't timed. I was tanking on my pally with like 420 ilvl. My spec was... Pretty bad. I basically had to kite literally everything in order to not get killed. I was doing more healing than the healer, not on myself, but the ground. The robot boss, the rest of the team died and it was just me and a hunter for 90% of the fight. The whole thing was like 70 minutes by the time we finished. However, we actually had fun lmao. And it felt like a real accomplishment because of how challenging it was and the fact that we didn't take it too seriously, at least nobody quit even after like 80-120 deaths.
That's awesome, some times the most important thing is the group cohesion.
@@heythereguysitsMetro That's true lol. Btw, I'm sure you've probably heard this a million times by now, but these videos are really good :).
@@Azrael79a Thanks man, means a lot!
I so rarely leave keys now because blizzard has put so much benefit in infusions to complete keys. It’s actually genius strategy to motivate keys to stay together to the end regardless of time in easier keys and people still leave. Especially for alts that need at least 50 or so completed 16s when you are trying to have crafted gear but I guess some people just live perpetually angry
It is for sure, but sadly with gearing being so expensive and gold hard to come by, its not really working out as a good incentive for keys long term in the season. At least for me.
Tbh the tank even pulling the double sabers inside the house by the pillar is a bad move. After getting the docks the % from the sabers in the house isn’t needed. Especially on fortified/raging weeks. This route just looked harder than usual from the get go. They don’t even lust on the docks. What are they saving it for? The boss? Then the tank just falls over on the final trash pack before the first boss. I’m just gonna say here that this tank is just punching above their weight and imposing toxicity in order to sound correct to newbie players.
You can even see in the ElitismHelper party chat spam the tank died because they sat inside the charged smash cloud. Idk if they were busy typing a rebuttal to the hunter or not but it's completely their own fault.
i agree, but if you are gonna pull those sabers, you really want to stun 1 right before its leap goes out to desync them. tank likely had stormbolt and coulda prevented it, although obviously its a lot easier to blame your hunter( who also coulda done it)
my guess is they pulled the manasabers because the tank didnt want to risk ass pulls, which ive had happen many times. but yeah its pretty easy to deal with and you can desync with a stun, which the warrior should have (cant say for sure because i dont think it was tracked)
Interesting take actually. Ya it might be insecurity about his own problems.
@@michaelc.309 exactly, it’s typical ego that you see in keys. Something went wrong “not my fault”.
As a tank I opted to pull this pack on purpose because I've not seen a single CoS where nobody pulled them on accident when the group passes by.
I've done so many keys this season and I've been lucky enough to only experience these players 2 or 3 times. Compared to something like league of legends where this kind of behaviour happens quite literally on a per game basis. This situation reminds me a lot like when players in league are smurfing in a really low rank game like bronze and then have the audacity to flame their team because they're playing bad. Have some self awareness, it's a god damn +15 like what do you even expect? People are bound to make mistakes at that level.
Ya I feel ya, but naw this guy isn't smurfing lol.
He is mediocre as hell.
there was already 10 seconds in the Key too much said 😆
The first stun situation... yes for me after this is a heavy frontal group i would say the best option is that the warri goes to the shami but at the end they are all3 guilty because noone of them moved 😅 I love to get stunned in such situation as a tank when you dont even have the choice to destack by yourself because of frontals.
After all my Pug experiences, and i play a lot 😉, less is more.
Another Streamer , i think it was Growl, said something like " you can't change them, at the end of the day they will become better or still go same height 5 weeks later".
That changed a lot for me. As a tank i try to give advice if needed but also try to say less than possible.
Less is more in that regard for sure. This dude destroyed this key alone, without any question.
Unfortunate that the toxicity of the tank is discovered after the key was inserted. I try and determine if people will be problematic before the key starts and just leave when I have concerns. Tried to squeeze in a CoS over lunch and two (Ragnaros) players that had been in the group since before I joined were still in the city when everyone else was in dungeon. Decided to play some Diablo 3 instead.
Ya, tbh that type of lazy behavior is a very stable indicator in my experience. The shaman didn't handle it well at all though, asking about leavers once the key started. Not good all around.
There has been 2-3 times that i remember that i have thrown shit at. And always after that my gameplay starts to crap out totally because i get pissed off and dont focus.
So if there wasnt any mistakes before hand there starts to be after that crap.
Ya, and being able to control your emotions in that moment is incredibly crucial to your success.
Ragnaros aside I knew this was gonna be some juice the moment they died to thundering, I feel there is no world in a pug where people need to min max thundering.
Exactly right.
Whats the deal with ragnaros? I hear all my older guildies talk about that server like its the actual bubonic plague
I could discuss that, but I do want to point out this is EU ragnaros. US ragnaros is a much different story.
I feel like ranged should be clearing with melee in that first spot. It's so much easier for ranged to clear with melee than melee to leave melee range and go to the ranged player
Both people are within 10 yards of each other.
I main warlock and if the only person left to clear with is melee then i do my best to get in melee range to clear. However, if i was a melee for example, if the ranged didnt come to me then to avoid being stunned id scoot the 10 yards over to clear with them myself. Esp in this video example. Thats just pug life sometimes.
I legit was watching that, and my failures with rescue were triggering hard. I was, in my mind as a viewer, starting to panic, and remember the clickbind for rescue to force the shaman into melee. XD
Why exactly do you think it is easier for a ranged to stop casting and walk into melee than for a melee to lose a bit of uptime? Does the melee not know where the ranged player is?
@@ThomasBachler01 because I can dps while moving in and out of melee while a melee can't?
Had a bm hunter do 7k dps overall in a 13 NO(spammed arcane shot and not a single kill command), another hunter leave after first pull of his key for no reason no deaths we cleared the first pull easily, had balance Druid starfall single target. Low key pugging is the hardest thing in the game.
It really is honestly.
Thx for your awesome content!🕺
My pleasure man, thanks for all the support and kind words!
Today i healed 11+ jade temple. My team was flaming me after the 2nd boss. During the last boss fight i got kicked, they thought the boss would go down without me. It didn´t. We could have done it, but they decided to spend their ressources on being mean.
Sorry to hear that. Record the runs for the future and send em to me so we can all have a laugh and learn some too!
Nicest and coolest pugs I’ve done are from Frostmourne and Barthilas servers even with the latency difference. Worst are from every Latin America server: Azralon, Quelthalas and of course Ragnaros.
Not sure I would ever say "nicest" about any one group, but I agree with the rest haha
It's ALWAYS RAG! I had a druid from rag tell me i should be able to stand there and tank the last pack of Jade on fort/bolstering week with NO CC/slows etc coming out for my group- he cussed at me called me all sorts of fun names.
Just to be clear this is EU rag.
I REFUSE REFUSE!!! To group with another Ragnaros player. I was in a RLP 15 two days ago, it was my first 15 RLP on my VDH and, although I knew the dungeon and route well, I was nervous. I made the mistake of inviting a 2400 havoc DH from Rag, 4th pull in, he calls me crazy for my conservative pulls. I think nothing of it at the time, just chock it up to strange rag behavior. Then, when trying to hug the wall to the right to only pull the one caster, and the guard to the first boss room, I guess no one got the memo to hug the right wall and they all pulled everything. I die trying to herd cats. Then I tell everyone to stack on me on first boss and move with me and bring debuff mechanic to the center. No one listens. When we get to the first mini boss dragon, our healer runs right into the breath and gets skeeted on, dead, lock as well. By the end of the run our healer Druid dies about 10 times, our shaman about 8 and our lock about 6. We were 3 mins over time and I said at the end of the run, “sorry for deaths.” Taking responsibility for my bad play. The Rag DH straight out calls me and the lock trash and tells me to go back to 13s where I belong.
I normally don’t let things like that bother me, but the fact that a Rag player calls me trash in a silly 15 is pathetic. I message him asking him to elaborate because I’m trying to improve, and he says my route was bad and my threat was trash and then proceeds to berate me further. I tell him, “it seems your ego is way to inflated for your score, it’s not like you’re 3k competing in MDI.” Told him to have a great day, that I’m only running my keys to try to push and improve as a player. Again he proceeds to berate me further. I’ve since then completed an atrocious 17 TJS, timed my first 17 NO, and 16 COS. Got a 17 RLP to try tomorrow.
Needless to say, I wish there was a way to black list servers from showing up in your LFG when you start a group or find a group.
I’ve grouped with a lot of Rag players trying to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their terrible attitude, but EVERY DAMN ONE never cease to prove how terrible that server is.
I’m calling you out Ragnaros, do better, be better.
I would agree, but to be clear this is EU ragnaros. Are you talking about the US one?
timing 20s on sbg and cos is like 16. those are freefrags. for me if im the key holder and looking for a group to push my own key, sbg and cos will be the lowest priority i see. might take awhile but it can help u in the long run.
I see
@@heythereguysitsMetro bro all my replies to u and u always give me a fuck up reply. fuck u get it? im gonna unsub u. gtfo.
@@nonye0 I think that would be for the best honestly. I can never understand what you say honestly. Sorry about that.
That’s why I am so nervous going into higher keys I do my best but I feel like I will get roasted for any small mistake I make
Meh if you get roasted by some one this clueless does it even matter? Record your runs, and if it happens, I'll help you learn from it and get better. I bet it wont though tbh.
honestly, everyone makes mistakes. Nothing to really worry about as long as you learn from them and (try) to do better next time you're in that same spot. There are people out there like warrior dude in this video who just start dissing immediately, but in my experience most people are fairly forgiving of small mistakes (or just too unaware to notice them). People do seem to get upset if you die like 15 times in a row to the same mechanic, eg a rogue eating the same frontal and going splat all dungeon long will get people worked up. You could argue it's fair at that point, but also useless to point out and not helping.
Now for my totally biased take on the vid. Have to say i am absolutely not surprised at all that the dude going ballistic is a warrior tank. I swear warr tanks in low to middling keys are the worst players, both attitude and gameplay ability wise. They clearly rolled the fomo tank cause they believed that would make them successful. They constantly pull off either A. Horrendously inefficient routes, or B. Try ridiculous MDI type pulls, fail to establish any kind of aggro on anything or get it grouped properly. Then blame just about anyone but themselves for stuff going wrong.
Dont worry too much about it. Plenty of people make mistakes even in higher keys. Knowing the mechanics and what to interrupt already puts you in the top few% of the players.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Thank you metro I think I will start recording my runs and send theme to you if I run into anything like this.. I appreciate any tips
@@TheLeroy125 Thank you makes me feel less anxious now. I am currently barely climbing to 18s but I am getting there :) yeh the warrior was having a bad day lol
i had this happen in a successful 19 cos, shaman talked shit the entire time and by the end the whole group had him on ignore.
Ya, its so strange. How can they possibly believe its helping?
Another hilarious scenario is when you get a toxic player that ends up being the problem but is bitching and moaning in chat until the very end, then has the cheek to ask you to trade the item that dropped for you. 😂
rofl that would be super embarassing.
As tank I’m usually the one who gets yelled at 😅 for anything. Pulling more? Wtf tank pull less idiot… pull less? Wtf tank, pull more idiot.
Horrible route. Tank is clueless. Did you buy your score? (yes, as tank….).
I usually tend to lash out to myself irl when the healer doesn’t heal me in time… because it doesn’t understand that DK is proactive healing and not reacting healing as other tanks….
I only start to rebuke back when they start to be very offensive.
Whatever you do it just can be false for one of them 🤣
In my last Ruby 20 the heal ,obviously scared fom his last key, asked " you not go to do some insane MDI pulls please yes..."
I told him we will do this smooth and fast as possible.
5 seconds later the arms told me to pull the big boy into the next 4 caster groups 😂
Well the best way to look at it is, those people are just wrong. Do we care about people who are WRONG telling us what we are doing wrong? No, we don't. It might hurt some, but learning when you are doing something wrong vs when you are just playing with children is a vital skill when playing a tank in pugging.
@@heythereguysitsMetro you are so right. One Tank skill has to be ignore people who saying dumb things 👍
It's like in real life... people don't do and never did a job always knows better how to...
I would like to see those guys act like that in a hockey team. The funny thing is COS had one of the most generous timer. I timed it in 22 fort and tyr easy. With the DPS they had they could have timed the 15 with 40 deaths and 2-3 wipes probably.
I doubt these guys live in an area where a hockey team even exists.
I think part of the problem in general is that, although its just a 15, there are a TON on fundamental mistakes people make that they should be working out of their system in the sub 10 range. And mistakes are fine and all but by +10 you should be very aware that you need to interrupt/cc. By +15 you should know the important spells and important mob mechs. I think that's very generous tbh.
Not sure what the solution is (and 100% not defending this guy) but no one likes carrying people that are acting as an additional affix because they are playing a key wayyyy beyond their exp/performance level.
Right, and its the guy who is being rude who is the one playing beyond his performance level so idk what your point was there.
I don't get how the tank blames the hunter for the mana sabers not using utility when he could've used shockwave/stormbolt, other warrior also might have had stormbolt and shaman capacitor totem, it was useless flaming and the better thing to do was to say nothing and keeping moving through the dungeon but the prot warrior decided to take the zug zug to another level.
Ya I mean that's the same with the thundering thing too. He refuses to do anything and then blames everyone else and not only BLAMES them, but FLAMES them.
At least it brings nothing to the table for the key to stand there and writing/flaming other instead of playing and try to make the time good 😅
15's a low key? thats a high key for me, there are tiers baby(2-3) low(4-8) medium(9-12) high(13-16) Hard(17-19) and challenge(20+) thats how i look at them
Ya, anything under the gear cap would be considered low right now.
I don't have all these distinctions though.
Its either low keys (1-19) or high keys (20+)
Unfortunately these kind of people don’t think critically, or think much at all really. Everything is someone else’s fault and they can’t even see their own flaws. Also I think a lot of people don’t realise how much they are being carried by other people in keys, then they hit some challenge where things aren’t going perfectly and they can’t handle it and just leave
Ya, that's the saddest part. They don't realize they can actually improve in the situation they are in and just blame others for 100 percent of issues.
I knew this was gonna be good the second I saw Ragnaros haha. I had a tank with a similar attitude back in BFA in a shrine run who stayed til we got to the last boss and then left before we pulled. Luckily our warrior switched to prot and we were able to finish the key. But idk man the level of ego with some of these players is astounding.
This guy is from Ragnaros EU. Not the Ragnaros - US/LATAM
Ya, to be fair its EU. But apparently this is common on that realm too, but idk.
Ahh right on didn't realize
Rag EU is still a cesspit and is often regarded as such, alongside places like kazzak EU. the average player from EU rag MIGHT be better than the US counterpart but they're every bit as toxic, if not more so.
@@TQV3 Ya, well its funny because usually Ragnaros here is just noobs and unskilled players. Never saw something like this from any realm haha
Why does it feel like if the group talks at all before a key starts, it's bound to fail
Because that is a huge predicter to the failure sadly.
Sadly this kind of behavior is getting all the more common, not only in gaming, but in everyday life. We recently had to deal with cyber-bullying in our youngest child's class, where some of the commentary would get you banned here instantly. 10 year olds, bullying each other. Maybe I'm just an old fart, but it is mindboggling having to deal with this crap. We have tried to teach our kids not to write anything they wouldn't say face to face to another person, but hey, that's just our take on it. It seems that, for a lot of people (generalising, I know), the idea is, that you can get away with writing anything, once parked in front of a screen, because you are "anonymous" on the interwebs.
Hmm so sorry to hear that man. I hope your child is okay. Same thing happened to a friend of mine and it has caused a lot of damage that's still working towards being undone.
Its a cruel world out there, and the general population is doing nothing towards helping solve it, it seems.
That's the kind of guy that doesn't tip at the restaurant
Ya, and then blames the servers for his food being bad.
The first mistake was taking someone from Rag...
It is EU rag though tbf
i dont pve much, im only 2400, im mainly a shuffle gamer, and this reminds me of how people act and type in 2200 solo shuffles
Ah ya that's pvp ya? I can imagine its even worse there.
@@heythereguysitsMetro people blame you for everything in shuffle, even when theres so much they couldve done better, but honestly its not as bad as THIS dude in this video
@@Ethanasia Oh wow
One.. I gave up m+ this week had 5 runs in a row 18-19 HOV people asking me ttto pull everyone till dragon just for everyone to die multiple times and people leaving right away... it was crazy to see
Pretty tough pull tbh. I do it, but only because I can reasonably solo it. I think it is still faster to do it that way provided people aren't chain dying.
@@heythereguysitsMetro it’s a decent pull, but I survive it al the time but nobody kicks casts and I just see my team getting killed over and over
@@TiagoSilva-rv2ws Ya, I do think its fine as long as you don't actually wipe. Its tough to be sure though.
GUYS very important to understand the distinction that this guy is from EU ragnaros, NOT the south american server ragnaros.
For sure, I should have mentioned it. If you are from EU, how does the server's reputation hold up?
@@heythereguysitsMetro not from EU sorry, just didnt want people to talk shit about South americans for no reason. I play on zuljin and a52.
@@ieatpoza Oh gotcha.
There should be some kind of punishment for idiots like this. Did a +10 nokhud offensive with a friend, used my keystone. Didn’t play that dungeon since like a week (we are both nurses working full time) both new players only since Dragonflight. Trying to learn. My friend dies twice in the first few pulls because of two missed interrupts. I died later on because I forgot a mechanic. Other than that a flawless run. The Tank a blood DK over 400ilvl and his friend a 364 Ret Paladin starting to tell us we should delet the game and we are POS while we literally carried his friend and just effd up a little bit just went nuts on us. Things like that really discourage players. I now always look for other players that do it for fun.
To be fair, this guy is very close to being qualified for a chat ban, so there IS punishments for something like this. But otherwise its all covered under pugging, which Blizzard does not want people doing, sadly.
You’re a nurse? My wife and I are travel nurses, hit me up on Stormrage-tuxedohunt if you need a tank. VDH here, looking for chill peeps to progress with.
I have so much anxiety over how bad I am but I need to do more 10+ keys to get better. Unfortunately I don't want to be a burden so I tend to just stay 9 or under
Do you think much would change between the 10 and the 9 though?
The only reason difference is the thundering affix. It’s quite manageable with a weakaura to help you.
If you can do a 9, you can most deff do a 10. That's my opinion at least. There's not much difference between the two except you also have Thundering which is not hard to manage with WeakAuras.
@@heythereguysitsMetro it just feels overwhelming tracking all the mechanics while trying to keep up my dmg as a sub rogue. It would probably be easier with more practice as this is my first time playing anything other than bm hunter and 1st time doing M+.
@@corvette112795 Well I can say you are overthinking it. A 10 is extremely easy and you should certainly not put up artificial walls to slow your progression. If you have any questions let me know!
Misery must make misery
agreed.
Why is dps sucking?
rofl
I honestly hate randoms and pugs. Not that all of them are bad, but those that are just get my blood boiling. I hate leavers who ruin the key for others, I hate some of the playerbase that are just toxic. If I ever pug I mostly don't say anything or try to be constructive, but even that can upset some people for whatever reason.
It's tough but it's just life. You'll run into people like that all over the world. Gotta be able to handle people when they are overly emotional or just flat out telling you something that isn't correct.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Well true, for my own sanity however I prefer to play with premades. Even if we fail at something you know nobody will leave. That way we finish keys. At start of the season we sometimes grind through a high key but that way you still learn what trashpacks are dangerous, how to play bosses ect. It is just more enjoyable that way for me, since doing high-ish keys (we mostly play till like 21-22 in a season and time all 20s) is hard enough at times without the "pug diffculty" added to the mix
how can people type that mutch at mid fight -.-
They can't, that's the issue. They are typing instead of playing.
I play in a tank/healer duo and we pug the dps for our keys. I'm the healer and he's the tank and he's Australian. His favorite word is c*nt. Let's just say we have dps leave our keys all the time. Not that I mind honestly, I'm tired of healing so much stupid and now I have someone that calls them out for me.
Be careful, if he is using that language towards others he will likely eventually be silenced and then you wont be able to pug together.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Honestly don't think Blizzard cares. Been doing it for months and months and he's been notified of multiple reports with no actions taken. Blizzard is just hands off right now it seems.
@@-a-s-a-s- Its an automatied system, no employee reviews and handles it. If you use hateful language enough and get enough reports, you get silenced. Just a warning, as it semes like you and him are pretty hostile puggers as it is. Might be time to think about forming a group of like-minded players and then you wont have to worry about all these issues you are fighting about, right?
Would be best for everyone, it sounds.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Are you new to the internet and online games?
@@-a-s-a-s- no.
i must be trippin but i thought the cats show a swirly before they jump.
Hmm ya idk.
nope, never have.
ragnaros, quel’thalas, azralon etc are always like this
This is EU ragnaros though.
Just another shining example of the Ragnaros playerbase.
thats just a dumb stereotype, i had many ragnaros chads and many other servers like illidan and proudmore toxic players
@@enzoshink7597 As a SA player, i can relate to that. SA servers are full of toxic and bad players in every sense, WAY more than any other server in Americas. Azralon and Ragnaros are, indeed, redflags.
@Enzo Shink its not, everyone is aware that there are exceptions to the rule. Not everyone I play with from ragnaros is bad, but if there's a bad player in my group there's a 99% chance they're from ragnaros, quelthalas, or azralon.
Just so we are all clear this guy is from Ragnaros EU. Not the Ragnaros - US/LATAM
And ya, as mentioned this is EU ragnaros.
Everyone always talks about what game will destroy WoW and this game will only be destroyed by its players and their egos.
100 percent, the worst part about wow is the community for sure. Nothing Blizzard does could compare.
It's a different world down there in the 10s range
It really really is.
Title should be: "Diss to pug community"
Why's that?
Its people like this that make lower IO players hesitant to push keys.
100 percent agreed.
I caugth a guy the other day I was on my fresh Ench Shaman (like had no tier pieces couple of crafted nothing to crazy ) My friend was helping me as a tank War and we pugged the rest ... ( We used the IO from my friend since normaly it helps to bring better player) (its a 12 HOV *Im like 376ilvl(not supposed to be there)
So we bring a warior DPS 403 ilvl 5 tier pieces bonus a priest heal over gear also for a 12 and a hunter 400ilvl 4 tier pieces ... (Everyone is around 2k+ io ITS ALOT FOR A 12 XD)
The war complain all key long about the fact That Shaman Enh should be nerf since YES IM gapping him ... its for me IMPOSSIBLE since WAR are quite the powerhousing in keys... and hes perfoming UNDER the tank... the dungeon END (we timed a +1 yes becasue he died took every mortal Hew possible ability in his face )
My friend call him on the fact he somehow time 15 without knowing any fight ( cause he clearly showed he knew nothing and finish a like 27k overall It take talent a 403 with 4tierpieces) But than he proceed to say it was the tank fault he wasnt used to the pulls. That when the hunter said yeah that why EVERY SINGLE of ur 15 are done with 3k player IO that why you bought so we laught and we caught him he than log on his MAIN ( 1 rogue with the same ILVL with 13-15 keys and a random 20+ timed) He even ask 'a random friend to defend his point that he wasnt paying keys. wich just by his behavior and knowing how the climb his ... its almsot impossible unless you have really good friend that you will go into a 20 when you have 0 17-18-19 done XD
Exactly why I am asking people to record their runs! This kinda stuff is too funny!
It's sad as that group could of easily timed that. The whole group seemed to be rushing around a bit too much and then dying. It would of been better if the tank pulled a bit safer. I feel sometimes that as a tank, you have to ignore comments like "pull more" and "why this route?". In some groups you have to go back to basics and play safe. At least get it done in time. Just my opinion.
Feels that way with court particularly. Only way it becomes a real disaster is if you butt pull a bunch extra.
Not sure anything I show here has to do with what is pulled haha
i'm so attempted to make my own blacklist wago. this is too much toxic leavers.
Its worth recording the leavers names for sure at the very least.
Ragnaros people btw
Its EU rag but still
LMAO
Good old Ragnaros, even on EU
Ya, even on EU they are wild haha
Yeah best to say nothing unless you have some good tact to share.
Idk, I was thinking about telling the group "my patience with stupid people is below 0."
I think that will make them realize how valued they are and will help us upgrade the key. Gonna try it out today.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Probs be seeing that back in the sheets ;)
I quit about the same time Mythics became a thing, just really not into the whole competitive nature that it breeds. I say this as someone who enjoyed Arenas, go figure.
Thanks for letting me know.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Okey Dokey, wanna know how my poops are going too? I don't mind talking old man things with you.
@@Name-ot3xw no
@@heythereguysitsMetro That's nice dear, I hope you continue to enjoy your vidjya james
IRL buddy who got me into the game linked me to the "players who don't do outside research are toxic" thread on reddit to justify why he doesn't play with me. I enjoy exploring routes, packs, and bosses myself, and I managed to get to KSH on prot war this season. This interaction with my friend has completely put me off from the game entirely, and I haven't logged in in about a week and still really have no desire to do so. Do you have any opinions on that mindset? Do you think my friend is justified?
Treating other people like they aren't people is never justified, so would be silly to comment further. That is not some one who is a friend, so all I can say is I'm sorry that happened to you and I hope you wont blame the game for it. Its certainly not something Blizzard would encourage.
My question to you would be: Where do you learn the dungeon? Did you do the dungeons a bunch on M0 or very low at the start or do you "explore" in normal runs? given that you have KSH now, would you say that you know the vast majority of mechanics in the current dungeon pool?
@@ThomasBachler01 I would say I'm pretty in tune with the current rotation at this point except RLP, where my best run is untimed 17. I have timed 18 or 19 on everything else for both weeks. I didn't learn in M0's because most mechanics are kind of invisible to faceroll, I mostly learned mechanics as they became problems. Some of those problems did not become evident until +15, such as third boss TOJS's jade serpent strike dot.
I think there is absolutely an argument to be made that I ruined a lot of runs by not learning outside of runs, and that's not fair to the people I've played with. I still don't know if that would make my playstyle invalid though. If it does, WoW just isn't the game for me. I dunno.
@@bbouncy12 I think it will always come down to expectations within a group. Personally I would argue that if you are eager to learn and aware what is going on and notice if other people are compensating for something, then that is fine to do. The other thing would be (taking the TJS example) if in keys prior to +15 you did not use any def CD, got a huge debuff that your healer then took care of and then it only became an "issue" when you died to it. That would be a completely different thing, but in a group of people that talk to each other that can't really happen, so just find a grp of likeminded people.
Of course he is from Ragnaros LMFAO.
EU ragnaros though to be fair.
Unfortunately most of the time people like this probably are having personal issues that they are dealing with properly. Not making an excuse at all.
I used to think that, and that it was a "bad day" but I have seen this way too many times too frequently. For example, the guy I referenced in the start who leaves on the first pull of Freehold has been reported to me having done that same selfish behavior for years.
This kinda thing really doesn't happen in a vacuum. If you were having a bad day you probably would not be playing a video game.
I would have probably gotten mad at some point with this group as well, but raging in the first 15 seconds while doing glaring and stupid mistakes afterwards is simply disgusting.
I can tolerate both elitist flamers and silent/sorry noobs, but a flaming noob is not worth carrying through a dungeon, out of respect for the people that will check their score in the future if nothing else.
I wish every group that warrior gets in disbands until he either becomes a near-perfect player or learns to shut up.
Ya I mean, I get frustrated with groups all the time. But if your goal is to actually finish the key you signed up for, this behavior is beyond counterproductive.
I dunno why, but CoS has been the most toxic dungeon of the season for me.
My vote goes to Azure Vault on this one haha
Its because it requires a lot of the basics. And the lower key you do the less people have a command over that. Turns a very easy dungeon into the very hardest.
CoS as a whole is where a coordinated group has the biggest impact. It has a lot of mechanics that basically do nothing if you do it right and are terrible if you do it wrong.
playing meta class and being toxic goes hand in hand :D
Seems so, doesn't it?
Typical Ragnaros player..
Even the eu one is a problem hah!
This group was being carried by that hunter they are all awful.
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@@heythereguysitsMetro Thats not to say they can't improve but they were not ready for the content of a 15, as shown by the pulls and the tank deaths. The dps was lackluster, even the hunter was doing quite low dmg. I couldn't see the healing meters but it looked like the healer was having problems keeping people alive before everything went terribly wrong. The tank should consider critiquing his own deaths and should pre stun if he thinks the hunter has time for a soothe. Overall it's pretty obvious this wasn't going to go well given all of the data available. Its best to just leave and not give any feedback because people aren't at that level in this group. I'm surprised this was recorded at all.
@@RitmeFPS i think its awesome you record your gameplay. One step further to mastery of yr class. Also I would seriously recommend a Heads up weak aura like those made by Luxthos, Naowh, or Hijack. GL out there!
I mean a 15s pretty high if your under 400 ilvl
not really, but I understand some people struggle and its fine.
@da Flowerblue high enough to make abilities like the cat jump nearly one shot. Can't get one shot harder.
Not sure what your point is sorry.
To each their own I'd say. For someone who regularly does 20's and above it's a low key, for someone who does 10's or close to it, it's a high key. It just comes down to persoanl experience I guess.
@@Sara-it9se I wouldn't agree with that. This has been predicated on Blizzard's reward structure for me the whole time.
Right now, a 20 is the max reward. So any players looking to do keys casually but still max their rewards are going to be doing 20s. This means anything lower than a 20 would be a "low" key.
I think that's just the facts of the matter, but I get this is a confusing bit of nomenclature. One way or another, it has nothing to do with item level in my eyes.