Absolutely spot on and apple you can guarantee knows This the only reason they won’t let us use Mac OS is because it will cannibalise those sales for MacBooks a Mac OS enabled M4 iPad would be a game changer for a LOT of people
No, iPadOS should not become MacOS. There's plenty of applications that use w/e power's available on iPadOS. Moreover, once you start pushing for that power demand on a tablet, you can't escape from physics constraints and like the Macbook Air, certain applications will saturate w/e cooling you have and it'll throttle back to a different power profile. More powerful iPad chips allow for a better power 2 efficiency curve. If you want a keyboard + mouse + desktop level of applications, get a macbook air or other windows tablet/PC hybrid.
I think one of the reasons Apple made the iPad Pro even thinner is to reduce the overall thickness when using it with their Magic Keyboard. If you fold that thing up it's pretty massive.
I personally think that the only reason for the reduced thickness is the fact OLED panels are thinner and it allows to make the iPad thinner with no additional change on the inside.
@@techsamurai11 11 inches models did not have local dimming, however I don't know if they were edge lit or full array. Not that it matters, OLED stay thinner no matter how LCD are lit.
Yep, I work in an environment where loads of people use iPad Pros as their primary devices, and almost everyone has a Magic Keyboard attached most of the time. The thinness makes a huge difference in that situation.
Nice review but I feel that you spend too much time talking about the iphone instead of the new ipad in the gaming section of the video. Even the footage is mostly the iphone version. More videos showing the new iPad gaming performance would be nice.
for sure but it will be unlikely to replace console currently . the automatic assumption for most people on mobile is that games are free and for console its that games are paid . this means devs are unlikely to port their games without seeing a good return on investment
@@abz7800 I remember when Super Mario Run cost like £8 and people went nuts. Compared to £30/40 normally for a Nintendo game. People’s logics do need to change.
@@abz7800 Honestly, the main thing holding us back is battery, which we may have fixed if we can put Solid State batteries (I think Toyota wasn't the "First" but they had the biggest improvement getting nearly 750 miles in a single charge but there's apparently better ones coming out in testing) in a tiny formfactor. We've focused so much on making our devices efficient because Lithium Ion is so dangerous. A 7000 mAh battery is considered unsafe which a lot of tablets use on minimum spec devices, and 10000 mAh is the largest we've had it without severe risk of it blowing up (not to mention how much fast charging has worn these batteries down so quickly and causes it to balloon up, which leave it at risk for exploding). If mobile manufacturers could stop worrying about reaching the 8W or 15W performance measures to conserve battery life, we'd be in such a good spot for handhelds/mobile devices actually having good quality without pulling an Asus handheld which dies within an hour at max performance mode lol.
My guess is that these devices are used as a stepping stone. Once a critical mass of publisher partnerships has been reached, apple will plonk an M5-6 into their apple tv and become the most vertically integrated console maker over night
@@abz7800 The goal is not to replace the console but more to motivate devs to optimise their new games for apple silicon and so, include apple into the gaming world. Realistically only M pro chips are able to actually play recent games but the strategy with Apple is interesting : Ok you won't have the same experience on Mac relative to a 4080 PC but if you buy a game on the App Store you will have access to it on your iPhone, your iPad and Mac so you can enjoy games visuals on great screens and sound system.
Recently picked up an M4 iPad myself and I definitely agree with a lot of what you had to say here. The hardware is so good you want to use it all the time, but then software headaches rear their head and leave you frustrated. It’s an amazing premium tablet and nothing more. It will not replace your laptop. It is a luxury computing device for most people.
I was using a 2019 pro and it replaced my laptop till this year🤷🏽♂️ so it’s possible, mind you that was with way weaker hardware lol. It’s not a perfect experience but I was able to accomplish video editing & photo editing. Was there hiccups? Yes. Did I get annoyed? Yes. Point is, it def can replace a laptop if you need it to and learn work arounds on the tablet.
@@MWM1293it can for some tasks like video editing and photo editing. But I cannot imagine giving ip my PC workstation for video and photos. It was a long time ago that I played a game on ipad.
I bought my iPhone 15 Pro because I wanted to be able to play AC Mirage on the go. And then I bought the iPad M4 just because the amazing OLED panel it has. And then I ended up sticking with my iPad for gaming, and my iPhone for what’s meant to be, a phone. 😅
Most of the gaming review section is about the iPhone, and that it was locked 30fps on the iPad. There's instructions online for unlocking the framerate (and changing other settings) for resident evil. Exploring that to see how the iPad compares unlocked would have been more informative. Looking on youtube, the first result when seaching for 60fps m4 ipad resident evil, shows it running about 60fps. It would be good to get that confirmed by digital foundry.
Yes I did this with death stranding. Running at a higher resolution, HDR and 60 fps. You just need to get a copy of the config file from the mac version, update the settings via a text editor and drop it in the games root folder by connecting the iPad to a MAC. Runs really well on my m4 ipad. It is a shame though that we have to jump through so many hoops. There is a great thread on Reddit on this.
I was hoping for Oliver to get a 16GB RAM iPad so we could get more Apple Reviews! Happy it happened and also a request, Oliver try changing the config files for RE4, Death Stranding and RE7 so we can see what is the limit of the iPad.
I have a 13inch 1TB M4 IPad Pro and I’m stunned at how much I use it everyday.If your work can be done in browsers, it’s the only desktop computer you need
I don't think it was mentioned in the video, but if you want to be blown away by the iPad Pro M4 try Warzone Mobile. Playing the Team Death Match Maps it's crazy how comparable it gets to looking like Modern Warfare 3 even at high frame rates
Honestly, completely disagree. Sure the animations and overall look are sort of there, but the asset quality and density is completely obliterated, the baked lighting is far lower quality and there's no ambient occlusion or volumetric lighting, and the shading on materials is significantly dumbed down. If it was made specifically for this high end hardware in mind, it'd get a lot closer, but still way below. Top end mobile hardware has reached 8th Gen console level specs for a few years now, just a matter of unoptimized OS.
It's impressive for such a portable device but it's nowhere near to MW3 running on a proper gaming PC. Not even the much smaller display can mask it...
@@fliko6808iphone got way less people than android in what community concerns, not only that but to play those games you need to have the highest end things of apple (Not even iphone 15 can run them) and on top of that you have to pay 50USD extra for each of them. On Android even low end devices can play PC games which is impressive and obviously the amount of people is magnitudes higher, not only that but most people will opt for piracy which is not available on apple (Or is it? You know since the lawsuit where you now have the possibility to install apps outside the appstore) there's no competition at all.
Absolutely the best screen money can buy right now. Movies and HDR content on it just looks insanely good. I wouldn’t buy it as a primarily gaming machine, but it does work very well for a bit of gaming on the side. And Oliver, get a Magic Keyboard if you can - adds a lot to the device!
I still dont get how they made a dead space mobile game like 15 years that looks on par or even better than these ports and that ran smooth on nearly every device it supported.
For my use, iPad hardware 10/10 - Software 2/10. It still has the same problems as before, and Apple hasn't fixed any of my IOS issues. I'll probably wait for Windows ARM tablet/laptop combo with new chip.
I’ve played re7 and almost beat village on my m4 iPad. I think it’s amazing of how well it runs on this machine and the battery life doesn’t dive bomb either
Apple is this close🤏 from dominating gaming world. It might not be the case at all today. But once that boundary is triumphed, market share will rocket. M4 CPU is plenty good enough and the GPU will definitely get better. ARM games will run better than x86 games, its only a matter of time before this happen. The chip is also very power efficient. If they support bluetooth controller support or they release their own peripherals. Gaming is totally doable on iPad.
From a proper OLED fanboy and I love the tech currently have a Panasonic LZ200 OLED that one only gets 1000 plus nits on a 10% window now the fact this iPad tandem OLED reaches that numbers on the full size of the 100% panel is absolutely insane I have the 13 inch M4 IPad and I get what people say it’s addictive to use because the panel is simply gorgeous too look at watching Dolby vision movies on it is better than any TV on the market if apple made a 65 inch version I would sell a kidney for that
TV OLEDs use multiple emissive elements per subpixel already for years (or basically forever). This is only new for smaller panels like in tablets. The reason your TV doesn't reach that brightness is power draw and heat. Smaller panels simply have a easier time with that.
@@SentinelBorg great info mate I would still love a tandem OLED display in consumer TVs that would be awesome but I wonder what the power draw would be and I assume a panel heatsink would be a must
@@CH-bn7qb It is just not possible in a realistic manner. The same way there are no TVs with AMOLED panels (which also beat TVs in full screen brightness). "Tandem OLED" is just a small/mobile LG panel with now two emissive sources per pixel, while for example their WOLED in TVs use four.
I use the iPad Pro about 14 hours a day. I am watching this video on my iPad, I use it as a second display, browsing machine, reading tablet, note taking tablet and as other people would use a phone at home. I bought the 1 terabyte 13 inch m4 a couple days ago and it is truly wonderful. With how much I use my iPad I swap every two ish years which is basically every generation of iPad Pro. Did the bonus RAM and marginally better chip on the 1 terabyte show any difference compared to a lower specced M4 iPad Pro?
I was hoping DF would review the iPad Pro and the new 13 ich Air. I just purchased an iPad 13 Air with Pencil Pro, Logitech Combo Keyboard and Mouse for my daughter heading to college instead of getting a PC. The note taking capabilities of the iPad Air and the ability to split screen seem to be amazing with some of the best note-taking apps (makes you wonder why Office 365 still comes with the terrible in comparison OneNote). I was a bit disappointed that stage manager doesn't work as well as you expected because it would be nice to have a 27 inch external screen to add real estate and multi-task. Surprisingly, the 14 inch HP Spectre was on sale with a i7 (22 cores), 512gb, 32 gb RAM, an OLED, and a Pencil was only $1,250 and it also has a touchscreen and 2-in-1 design is also an alternative option and an extremely well-appointed one. But does the pencil work the same way? Probably not... I've also watched a lot of productivity videos on Office on iPad and people point to not being able to use Macros in Excel or do somethings in Word. Most of my spreadsheets no longer use Macros. If you write Macros then you're already need a larger laptop just for the extra display.
If you're doing this more in the future, please get a lighter table and another set of lights. I can barely make out where the tablet ends and table begins.
It's a shame that emulation is so heavily detested by Apple policies because this and the other M-chip powered iPads would be the go to tablets for portable gaming if the software was there.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 if it had steam it be amazing, too bad it’s only a handful of games. Steam would probably be the only thing to make games viable on it, because people could just play their already owned games without paying a bunch of money up front
I mean, I can do anything I need on an iPad Pro 2018 with A12X. The only time I ever got an issue was when I made a massive GarageBand track and the 4GB of RAM was a limiting factor. So A12X wasn’t even an issue. (Also it still features higher memory bandwidth than the latest iPhone too) Other than my small GarageBand issue, almost everything runs great. I’m currently playing SpongeBob SquarePants The Cosmic Shake at max settings 60 fps with no issues on my iPad. I see no value in upgrading yet.
@@1gta4gta You missed my point did you ? I know my iPad can't run these games. I wouldn't want to play such games on a passively cooled device anyway. My point was, no need to spend so much money on a M4 iPad Pro when a M1 or even M2 iPad would do the trick just as well for so many people. For my use, I don't even feel the need to upgrade as playing PS4 games but worse on a tablet doesn't interest me. If I want to do serious handheld play, I'd rather get a Steam Deck, Windows handheld, or even a Nintendo Switch (or it's sucessor which is right upon us)
The operating system needs an overhaul. File management on iPad and iPhone is buggy and limited (somehow worse on iPad). The AppStore makes them a ton but there has to be some way to improve file management and also implement stronger desktop applications
take a look at the iPad Air 13 - if you can live with the LCD vs Tandem OLED and don't need Promotion and FaceId, the iPad Air 13 is significantly cheaper.
@@techsamurai11 completely agree with the new IPad I would say the biggest upgrade isn’t the chip it’s the display it’s simply a quantum leap ahead I have the 13 inch and I prefer watching movies on my iPad than I do my OLED tv the display is honestly jaw dropping especially for Dolby vision movies
@@CH-bn7qb Yeah, it's funny you should say that. I have a Dell XPS 15 which came with an OLED which does 800 nits full window and 1000 nits highlight. It's not like your iPad but it's as close as a screen can get to Tandem other than a mobile small screen. It's something to behold. But I actually watch on my 2014 Sony instead of buying the A95L and it's because of the laptop. Yeah, an OLED that can have LED brightness is a game-changer. If OLED TVs can hit 500-600 nits full window, they'd be fine as 800 nits is too much except when battling light from behind. No one is going to complain about 500-600 full window brightness. I'd buy one instantly.
The only game I play on my 15 Pro Max is Blackjack, which runs great. I did purchase RE4 for my base model M4 iPad. I didn’t like the 30fps cap and using a text editing app, unlocked the frame rate to 60fps. It does hold to that for the most part, but the heat becomes an issue with sustained play and the battery depletes while plugged in. It’s definitely better for your iPad to just leave it at 30. In my experience, phones and tablets are the worst place for AAA games. They’re overpriced and underperform. The main selling points for me are, the tandem OLED screen and the ability to use it with a keyboard case, turning it into a suitable fanless laptop replacement. It really does have quite possibly the best OLED screen currently on the market.
I was really looking forward to the iPad tests. These devices are becoming real competitors to consoles, and their power is exploding generation after generation.
If they made it 1.5x or even 2x the thickness, they could massively increase the battery capacity, it would be more amazing. With the money saved in design costs, avoiding the 5mm budget, they could double the storage capacity also. Customers will end up putting a case on it so it can stand, and make it comfortable to hold anyway.
I appreciate this video since I would like to see more console like games coming to iPad. More gaming options just makes the iPad a more versatile device if I can game on it and especially if I want to travel. Previously, I would also have to pack whatever Nintendo device I was using at the time, while carrying an iPad for web browsing, music and video.
If you could somehow get a hold of a replacement display part for the 13 inch m4, with a little bit of diy it could become the best gaming monitor period, it is high res, has good brightness and hdr, high refresh rate, the only thing missing would be some sort of vrr or free sync/gsync compatibillity but with a monitor that good who cares?
@@alumlovescake so the tactic is to show games to an audience that doesn’t wanna play or pay for them? Who exactly are they marketing to? Sounds like a waste of money to me
That’s marketing for you. Apple isn’t selling it as a AAA gaming device. The companies that have released games on it aren’t pushing them hard enough. For both of those reasons, people are pretty apathetic to it. Especially when you have more affordable portable options.
Oh my god... yall are impatient af... the iPhone 15 pro proved that AAA gaming is possible on apples silicon, there isnt even an iphone 16 yet... It's not just gonna go away. Apple is a trillion dollar company. Nothing happens overnight.
Apple should create a M chip for the Apple TV that can run games at much higher resolution. The thermal profile of a Apple TV is far more favourable to gaming than the iPad
I can see this tablet being a good device for Landscape and travel photographers. Lightroom CC and the other CC apps can work very well while on the go, and as long as you're not shooting 100's of photos a day and managing libraries i think the ipad could do what you need while on the road
iPad Pro has been a fantastic web browsing machine for me, and that's enough to justify its existence for me. my only complaint is that external monitor is limited to 60hz
Hear me out.. an iPad mini with an m4 priced at $600 around the price of a steam deck and an alley, which is even more portable very quite powerful. Once they have lots of iOS games
Apple, one of the pioneers of windowed GUI, is trying really hard not to give iOS/iPadOS real windowing. I assume they've done research that backs up this direction; so it'll be interesting to see where they ultimately land.
It'd be great to see a comparison with a cooler attached to the iphone. Leadjoy M1C+ for example supports a cooler while providing seemingly the same features as a backbone one, but I can't find any comparisons regarding game performance with and without coolers.
FWIW, Final Cut on iPad is designed to be used….wait for it….with your hands. Because the iPad is a tablet. You’ll have a much better time with it that way.
If I could use that Ipad Pro as a battery powered, external display, I'd be far more tempted to upgrade my M1 iPad Pro to that model. If I could use that USB-C port as a HDMI In, as well as Out, and I could plug in various devices on that beautiful display, that would be an extra selling point, for me. Hmmm, has anyone actually tried that? I doubt it would work but... amazing if it did.
I'm still rocking a 7th gen iPad with the A10 chip, and the combo of both this M4 processor and tandem OLED has me *really* considering an upgrade. However... then I remember that nothing I actually use my old iPad for really struggles much on my older hardware, and Retina display still looks fine to my standards. I'll probably still continue to wait another generation or two. 🤔
Limited operating system. My office purchased four of the latest iPad pros m4 with cellular capability (1399 i think?). It's gorgeous but it just sits for me. I have a cell phone for cell phone things, a macbook m1 air for simple productivity, and a nice gaming desktop for gaming and intensive productivity. Not saying that's the end-all be all of devices to have in a workflow and game flow, but I just don't understand tablets very well.
Let's be real, they are marketing gaming to an entire audience that doesn't game to begin with, or know what games even are beyond mobile "games". How do you think it's going to go?
Oliver using DF's credit card to upgrade all his apple products 😅. So far he got a Mac Studio, iPhone 15 Pro and now an iPad Pro.
Get that bag… or that apple
@@nj192bag full of apples
Richard is gonna be in shambles when they get the bill. 😂
Usually thats not how it works
Funny thought but I’m pretty sure he’s just an Apple fan and buys a lot of these for himself
iPads with such powerful chips should not be limited to such a limited operating system
So should they make iPads with slower chips? That’s silly….
Absolutely spot on and apple you can guarantee knows This the only reason they won’t let us use Mac OS is because it will cannibalise those sales for MacBooks a Mac OS enabled M4 iPad would be a game changer for a LOT of people
No, iPadOS should not become MacOS. There's plenty of applications that use w/e power's available on iPadOS. Moreover, once you start pushing for that power demand on a tablet, you can't escape from physics constraints and like the Macbook Air, certain applications will saturate w/e cooling you have and it'll throttle back to a different power profile.
More powerful iPad chips allow for a better power 2 efficiency curve.
If you want a keyboard + mouse + desktop level of applications, get a macbook air or other windows tablet/PC hybrid.
@@drink15 Yes because then it won't cost a fortune.
@@drink15no they should make a better OS
I think one of the reasons Apple made the iPad Pro even thinner is to reduce the overall thickness when using it with their Magic Keyboard. If you fold that thing up it's pretty massive.
I personally think that the only reason for the reduced thickness is the fact OLED panels are thinner and it allows to make the iPad thinner with no additional change on the inside.
@@ThibautMahringer You're probably 100% right - they removed a LED screen with dimming zones which are notorious for taking up more space.
@@techsamurai11 11 inches models did not have local dimming, however I don't know if they were edge lit or full array.
Not that it matters, OLED stay thinner no matter how LCD are lit.
@@ThibautMahringer Also plausible
Yep, I work in an environment where loads of people use iPad Pros as their primary devices, and almost everyone has a Magic Keyboard attached most of the time. The thinness makes a huge difference in that situation.
HE'S ESCAPED THE GAMECUBE!!
Oliver is now relocated within a MacBook Pro.
Nice review but I feel that you spend too much time talking about the iphone instead of the new ipad in the gaming section of the video. Even the footage is mostly the iphone version. More videos showing the new iPad gaming performance would be nice.
i agree
cuz i guess there isn't much to show. he said it's locked 30 fps with the same graphics as iphone, which had already been covered
Agree… kinda disappointing
You are right....
I didn't have a problem with that. There wasn't much to say except that performance is a lot better.
Whatever your opinion of these devices are, the speed at which we have achieved this level of complex gaming on these systems is phenomenal.
for sure but it will be unlikely to replace console currently . the automatic assumption for most people on mobile is that games are free and for console its that games are paid . this means devs are unlikely to port their games without seeing a good return on investment
@@abz7800 I remember when Super Mario Run cost like £8 and people went nuts. Compared to £30/40 normally for a Nintendo game. People’s logics do need to change.
@@abz7800 Honestly, the main thing holding us back is battery, which we may have fixed if we can put Solid State batteries (I think Toyota wasn't the "First" but they had the biggest improvement getting nearly 750 miles in a single charge but there's apparently better ones coming out in testing) in a tiny formfactor. We've focused so much on making our devices efficient because Lithium Ion is so dangerous. A 7000 mAh battery is considered unsafe which a lot of tablets use on minimum spec devices, and 10000 mAh is the largest we've had it without severe risk of it blowing up (not to mention how much fast charging has worn these batteries down so quickly and causes it to balloon up, which leave it at risk for exploding).
If mobile manufacturers could stop worrying about reaching the 8W or 15W performance measures to conserve battery life, we'd be in such a good spot for handhelds/mobile devices actually having good quality without pulling an Asus handheld which dies within an hour at max performance mode lol.
My guess is that these devices are used as a stepping stone. Once a critical mass of publisher partnerships has been reached, apple will plonk an M5-6 into their apple tv and become the most vertically integrated console maker over night
@@abz7800 The goal is not to replace the console but more to motivate devs to optimise their new games for apple silicon and so, include apple into the gaming world. Realistically only M pro chips are able to actually play recent games but the strategy with Apple is interesting : Ok you won't have the same experience on Mac relative to a 4080 PC but if you buy a game on the App Store you will have access to it on your iPhone, your iPad and Mac so you can enjoy games visuals on great screens and sound system.
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@MrMacRight I really appreciate the work you put into your videos covering what is arguably a very niche subject
You are an adorable person for what you do
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Recently picked up an M4 iPad myself and I definitely agree with a lot of what you had to say here. The hardware is so good you want to use it all the time, but then software headaches rear their head and leave you frustrated. It’s an amazing premium tablet and nothing more. It will not replace your laptop. It is a luxury computing device for most people.
I am still happy with my cheap iPad mini 5. If I want, horsepower I’ll get a laptop, then I’ll get a laptop
I have the M1 air and it still feels luxury and fast
I was using a 2019 pro and it replaced my laptop till this year🤷🏽♂️ so it’s possible, mind you that was with way weaker hardware lol. It’s not a perfect experience but I was able to accomplish video editing & photo editing. Was there hiccups? Yes. Did I get annoyed? Yes. Point is, it def can replace a laptop if you need it to and learn work arounds on the tablet.
@@MWM1293it can for some tasks like video editing and photo editing. But I cannot imagine giving ip my PC workstation for video and photos. It was a long time ago that I played a game on ipad.
No it won’t replace my MacBook, just like my saw won’t replace my hammer.
I bought my iPhone 15 Pro because I wanted to be able to play AC Mirage on the go. And then I bought the iPad M4 just because the amazing OLED panel it has. And then I ended up sticking with my iPad for gaming, and my iPhone for what’s meant to be, a phone. 😅
That’s a literal definition of take my money but good for you. Steam deck and laptops exist.
@@Simon_Denmark Actually no its not its called blind consumption
I didn’t know I needed a DF iPad review but that was good, I like the DF perspective on other things than usually!
Most of the gaming review section is about the iPhone, and that it was locked 30fps on the iPad.
There's instructions online for unlocking the framerate (and changing other settings) for resident evil.
Exploring that to see how the iPad compares unlocked would have been more informative.
Looking on youtube, the first result when seaching for 60fps m4 ipad resident evil, shows it running about 60fps.
It would be good to get that confirmed by digital foundry.
Yes I did this with death stranding. Running at a higher resolution, HDR and 60 fps. You just need to get a copy of the config file from the mac version, update the settings via a text editor and drop it in the games root folder by connecting the iPad to a MAC.
Runs really well on my m4 ipad. It is a shame though that we have to jump through so many hoops.
There is a great thread on Reddit on this.
I appreciate the actual footage of Oliver talking. I think this might be a first for a non group DF video?
I like it too. John used to do a lot of on-camera work for DF retro (even solo).
It's not the first, he does this in other videos and so do some of the other guys
At this point, I don’t think even Apple knows what to do with the iPad Pro lineup.
Buy Bungie and put Marathon back on the Mac.
Tim Cook hasn’t got a clue on apples products
I was hoping for Oliver to get a 16GB RAM iPad so we could get more Apple Reviews!
Happy it happened and also a request, Oliver try changing the config files for RE4, Death Stranding and RE7 so we can see what is the limit of the iPad.
I have a 13inch 1TB M4 IPad Pro and I’m stunned at how much I use it everyday.If your work can be done in browsers, it’s the only desktop computer you need
This statement is true since the M1 if not earlier :) the thinness of the new one is incredible though.
I don't think it was mentioned in the video, but if you want to be blown away by the iPad Pro M4 try Warzone Mobile. Playing the Team Death Match Maps it's crazy how comparable it gets to looking like Modern Warfare 3 even at high frame rates
Its not that crazy, Modern Warfare 3 was a PS3 game, IPad Pro M4 could handle Killzone Shadow Fall graphics with 60FPS
Honestly, completely disagree. Sure the animations and overall look are sort of there, but the asset quality and density is completely obliterated, the baked lighting is far lower quality and there's no ambient occlusion or volumetric lighting, and the shading on materials is significantly dumbed down.
If it was made specifically for this high end hardware in mind, it'd get a lot closer, but still way below. Top end mobile hardware has reached 8th Gen console level specs for a few years now, just a matter of unoptimized OS.
@@1gta4gta come on, its not that hard to understand that hes talking about MWIII (2023)
@@Audrik_ Warzone Mobile looks significantly worse than MW3 (2023) Warzone
It's impressive for such a portable device but it's nowhere near to MW3 running on a proper gaming PC. Not even the much smaller display can mask it...
Glad to see you review this, I'm in love with the performance of the M4 Pros display
DF can we get some videos on the Android emulation scene? There is so much progress being made! Wine/Box64 is wild!
But no one cares
@@BlammoGerNo one cares about AAA gaming on Iphone and they did a lot of videos covering this...
@@fliko6808 no the numbers were ok
@@fliko6808iphone got way less people than android in what community concerns, not only that but to play those games you need to have the highest end things of apple (Not even iphone 15 can run them) and on top of that you have to pay 50USD extra for each of them.
On Android even low end devices can play PC games which is impressive and obviously the amount of people is magnitudes higher, not only that but most people will opt for piracy which is not available on apple (Or is it? You know since the lawsuit where you now have the possibility to install apps outside the appstore) there's no competition at all.
Wine is not an emulator.
Absolutely the best screen money can buy right now. Movies and HDR content on it just looks insanely good.
I wouldn’t buy it as a primarily gaming machine, but it does work very well for a bit of gaming on the side.
And Oliver, get a Magic Keyboard if you can - adds a lot to the device!
I still dont get how they made a dead space mobile game like 15 years that looks on par or even better than these ports and that ran smooth on nearly every device it supported.
For my use, iPad hardware 10/10 - Software 2/10. It still has the same problems as before, and Apple hasn't fixed any of my IOS issues. I'll probably wait for Windows ARM tablet/laptop combo with new chip.
The AAA games not succeeding on iOS is not surprising. This is essentially Stadia all over again. They should have tried to add them to Apple Arcade.
The format of this video feels like it came from the early days of DF.
Bro older df videos in my memory are just the gameplay with no commentary attached to a Eurogamer article
@@anthonywyatt5133 when it comes to hosts I think of Rich in front of the white shelves.
@@anthonywyatt5133 Right? he's probably too young
Somehow this is the only place to go to receive unbiased Apple product reviews. Seems nuts but I'm really glad you guys are still around!
I’ve played re7 and almost beat village on my m4 iPad. I think it’s amazing of how well it runs on this machine and the battery life doesn’t dive bomb either
Blur? Was that running via steam link?
What about "Game Mode" coming this Autumn? It might be worth doing comparisons when that launches.
Wonder how it compares to an iPad Pro M2
Great hardware, horrible software makes the device useless to me. I prefer Surface for a grown up operating system.
I agree. Wish Apple would make a device like the surface
A proud owner of the 13” M4 iPad Pro. Retro gaming is perfect on this device with the double OLED screen.
Great to see a dedicated review for an Apple Device from DF, especially covering more than just its gaming potential. Fantastic work Oliver!
No shortage of great hardware, but we have a shortage of great games.
makes you wonder what cool ARM stuff we could get on a mobile SOC if Windows for ARM wouldnt suck....
IOS needs to be more open.
At the same time, the iPad seems to have outgrown it to the point it might as well use a touch enabled MacOS.
I love my M4 iPad. Ive been playing RE4 on it lately. Also using PS5 remote play.
The backdrop has those late 80's school photo vibes.
Apple is this close🤏 from dominating gaming world.
It might not be the case at all today. But once that boundary is triumphed, market share will rocket. M4 CPU is plenty good enough and the GPU will definitely get better. ARM games will run better than x86 games, its only a matter of time before this happen. The chip is also very power efficient. If they support bluetooth controller support or they release their own peripherals. Gaming is totally doable on iPad.
All that horsepower just to watch Netflix 😂😂
Use davinci resolve for a comparison, see if its the pad or the software.
My thoughts exactly
Stick a fan in there and see that M4 really fly.
Infinity blade with this hardware would have been a godsend
I wish there was haptic feedback or rumble when I connect to a controller 🎮
From a proper OLED fanboy and I love the tech currently have a Panasonic LZ200 OLED that one only gets 1000 plus nits on a 10% window now the fact this iPad tandem OLED reaches that numbers on the full size of the 100% panel is absolutely insane I have the 13 inch M4 IPad and I get what people say it’s addictive to use because the panel is simply gorgeous too look at watching Dolby vision movies on it is better than any TV on the market if apple made a 65 inch version I would sell a kidney for that
TV OLEDs use multiple emissive elements per subpixel already for years (or basically forever). This is only new for smaller panels like in tablets.
The reason your TV doesn't reach that brightness is power draw and heat. Smaller panels simply have a easier time with that.
@@SentinelBorg great info mate I would still love a tandem OLED display in consumer TVs that would be awesome but I wonder what the power draw would be and I assume a panel heatsink would be a must
@@CH-bn7qb It is just not possible in a realistic manner. The same way there are no TVs with AMOLED panels (which also beat TVs in full screen brightness).
"Tandem OLED" is just a small/mobile LG panel with now two emissive sources per pixel, while for example their WOLED in TVs use four.
DF gonna start doing PRODUCT REVIEWS now...?!
I use the iPad Pro about 14 hours a day. I am watching this video on my iPad, I use it as a second display, browsing machine, reading tablet, note taking tablet and as other people would use a phone at home. I bought the 1 terabyte 13 inch m4 a couple days ago and it is truly wonderful. With how much I use my iPad I swap every two ish years which is basically every generation of iPad Pro. Did the bonus RAM and marginally better chip on the 1 terabyte show any difference compared to a lower specced M4 iPad Pro?
For almost $4k Canadian that thing better be running Cyberpunk at 4k @120fps with Ray Tracing Enabled.
I was hoping DF would review the iPad Pro and the new 13 ich Air. I just purchased an iPad 13 Air with Pencil Pro, Logitech Combo Keyboard and Mouse for my daughter heading to college instead of getting a PC.
The note taking capabilities of the iPad Air and the ability to split screen seem to be amazing with some of the best note-taking apps (makes you wonder why Office 365 still comes with the terrible in comparison OneNote).
I was a bit disappointed that stage manager doesn't work as well as you expected because it would be nice to have a 27 inch external screen to add real estate and multi-task.
Surprisingly, the 14 inch HP Spectre was on sale with a i7 (22 cores), 512gb, 32 gb RAM, an OLED, and a Pencil was only $1,250 and it also has a touchscreen and 2-in-1 design is also an alternative option and an extremely well-appointed one. But does the pencil work the same way? Probably not...
I've also watched a lot of productivity videos on Office on iPad and people point to not being able to use Macros in Excel or do somethings in Word. Most of my spreadsheets no longer use Macros. If you write Macros then you're already need a larger laptop just for the extra display.
If you're doing this more in the future, please get a lighter table and another set of lights. I can barely make out where the tablet ends and table begins.
It's a shame that emulation is so heavily detested by Apple policies because this and the other M-chip powered iPads would be the go to tablets for portable gaming if the software was there.
Is it even comfortable to play on it? Perhaps with a keyboard and mouse peripherals?
Or controller
Yes, it’s perfectly comfortable to play - just pair a controller and have a stand.
Use a Stand case and plug in a usb-c controller and it's blowing away any smaller devices, and it's more portable than a laptop.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 if it had steam it be amazing, too bad it’s only a handful of games. Steam would probably be the only thing to make games viable on it, because people could just play their already owned games without paying a bunch of money up front
Great video. Makes sense that iPhone’s hitting CPU and thermal limits.
I mean, I can do anything I need on an iPad Pro 2018 with A12X.
The only time I ever got an issue was when I made a massive GarageBand track and the 4GB of RAM was a limiting factor.
So A12X wasn’t even an issue. (Also it still features higher memory bandwidth than the latest iPhone too)
Other than my small GarageBand issue, almost everything runs great.
I’m currently playing SpongeBob SquarePants The Cosmic Shake at max settings 60 fps with no issues on my iPad.
I see no value in upgrading yet.
Try to play Resident Evil 4
@@1gta4gta You missed my point did you ?
I know my iPad can't run these games.
I wouldn't want to play such games on a passively cooled device anyway.
My point was, no need to spend so much money on a M4 iPad Pro when a M1 or even M2 iPad would do the trick just as well for so many people.
For my use, I don't even feel the need to upgrade as playing PS4 games but worse on a tablet doesn't interest me.
If I want to do serious handheld play, I'd rather get a Steam Deck, Windows handheld, or even a Nintendo Switch (or it's sucessor which is right upon us)
@@ThibautMahringer the real upgrade is the display tbh
@@CH-bn7qb Fair point ! I don't care about OLED that much but that could very well push someone to upgrade.
What Apple silicon is doing is impressive. I could see their mobile surpassing base consoles by 2027/28 (right as the next gen released)
The operating system needs an overhaul. File management on iPad and iPhone is buggy and limited (somehow worse on iPad). The AppStore makes them a ton but there has to be some way to improve file management and also implement stronger desktop applications
I’m getting the 13inch version but not for at least another year or so. I have mini iPad so I can wait.
take a look at the iPad Air 13 - if you can live with the LCD vs Tandem OLED and don't need Promotion and FaceId, the iPad Air 13 is significantly cheaper.
@@techsamurai11 completely agree with the new IPad I would say the biggest upgrade isn’t the chip it’s the display it’s simply a quantum leap ahead I have the 13 inch and I prefer watching movies on my iPad than I do my OLED tv the display is honestly jaw dropping especially for Dolby vision movies
@@techsamurai11 thanks, just checked it out. £800 compared to £1300 on iPad Pro 13 inch.
I’ll consider both for future.
@@CH-bn7qb Yeah, it's funny you should say that. I have a Dell XPS 15 which came with an OLED which does 800 nits full window and 1000 nits highlight. It's not like your iPad but it's as close as a screen can get to Tandem other than a mobile small screen.
It's something to behold.
But I actually watch on my 2014 Sony instead of buying the A95L and it's because of the laptop.
Yeah, an OLED that can have LED brightness is a game-changer. If OLED TVs can hit 500-600 nits full window, they'd be fine as 800 nits is too much except when battling light from behind. No one is going to complain about 500-600 full window brightness. I'd buy one instantly.
The only game I play on my 15 Pro Max is Blackjack, which runs great. I did purchase RE4 for my base model M4 iPad. I didn’t like the 30fps cap and using a text editing app, unlocked the frame rate to 60fps. It does hold to that for the most part, but the heat becomes an issue with sustained play and the battery depletes while plugged in. It’s definitely better for your iPad to just leave it at 30. In my experience, phones and tablets are the worst place for AAA games. They’re overpriced and underperform. The main selling points for me are, the tandem OLED screen and the ability to use it with a keyboard case, turning it into a suitable fanless laptop replacement. It really does have quite possibly the best OLED screen currently on the market.
5:26 you can open videos in full screen using Stage Manager by manually resizing the window using the control in the lower right corner.
I was really looking forward to the iPad tests. These devices are becoming real competitors to consoles, and their power is exploding generation after generation.
Would love to see more comparison of these games on ipad vs xbox series s, switch and previous consoles.
Don't forget the POWERFUL attraction of digital artists. Many regard the iPad as THE premium stylus experience!
If they made it 1.5x or even 2x the thickness, they could massively increase the battery capacity, it would be more amazing. With the money saved in design costs, avoiding the 5mm budget, they could double the storage capacity also. Customers will end up putting a case on it so it can stand, and make it comfortable to hold anyway.
Since there's no such thing as a battery with too much capacity, I would have rather seen it be thicker and have more power stored.
I appreciate this video since I would like to see more console like games coming to iPad. More gaming options just makes the iPad a more versatile device if I can game on it and especially if I want to travel. Previously, I would also have to pack whatever Nintendo device I was using at the time, while carrying an iPad for web browsing, music and video.
If they had better cooling they could get so much more out of it.
If you could somehow get a hold of a replacement display part for the 13 inch m4, with a little bit of diy it could become the best gaming monitor period, it is high res, has good brightness and hdr, high refresh rate, the only thing missing would be some sort of vrr or free sync/gsync compatibillity but with a monitor that good who cares?
It’s a shame AAA games are selling like shit on it. There likely won’t be more
It's a marketing tactic they weren't made to sell
@@alumlovescake so the tactic is to show games to an audience that doesn’t wanna play or pay for them? Who exactly are they marketing to? Sounds like a waste of money to me
@@alumlovescakeIf they weren't made to sell then what's the point? The marketing isn't moving hardware sales either.
That’s marketing for you. Apple isn’t selling it as a AAA gaming device. The companies that have released games on it aren’t pushing them hard enough. For both of those reasons, people are pretty apathetic to it. Especially when you have more affordable portable options.
Oh my god... yall are impatient af... the iPhone 15 pro proved that AAA gaming is possible on apples silicon, there isnt even an iphone 16 yet... It's not just gonna go away. Apple is a trillion dollar company. Nothing happens overnight.
Apple should create a M chip for the Apple TV that can run games at much higher resolution. The thermal profile of a Apple TV is far more favourable to gaming than the iPad
pretty awesome that they have actual touchscreen controls for Mirage unlike RE4
Have you felt how hot modern OLED gets? Putting 2 on top of each other might push longevity imo.
m4 is so overpowered they nerfed it to not cattibalize the mac pro sales
FYI, apple started with the gaming hardware thing back in the '90s with the 'Apple Pippin'
I'd rather have a galaxy tab with Dex for productivity
I can see this tablet being a good device for Landscape and travel photographers. Lightroom CC and the other CC apps can work very well while on the go, and as long as you're not shooting 100's of photos a day and managing libraries i think the ipad could do what you need while on the road
Just got an M4 Pro, and it's superb. But I'm only using Photoshop and Procreate really. And to watch another screen of some sport that's on right now.
I am preaching to the choir here but even by Digital Foundry's high standards this gentleman is so thorough and informative that it blows my mind.
Can it run those games at 40FPS with 120hz
Does it have the option to play those games at 40FPS ?
No.
I love how you address this topic with such honesty.
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iPad Pro has been a fantastic web browsing machine for me, and that's enough to justify its existence for me. my only complaint is that external monitor is limited to 60hz
Hear me out.. an iPad mini with an m4 priced at $600 around the price of a steam deck and an alley, which is even more portable very quite powerful. Once they have lots of iOS games
Apple still doesn’t know what to do with iPad Pro. An extremely powerful M4 Pro processor with a non-Pro OS. What’s the point?…
Is this sponsored content, lmao.
I don't have any apple products but these tech reviews are super interesting
$1,200 DOLLARY DOOS! TWELVE HUNDRED DOLLARY DOOS!
Apple, one of the pioneers of windowed GUI, is trying really hard not to give iOS/iPadOS real windowing. I assume they've done research that backs up this direction; so it'll be interesting to see where they ultimately land.
Curious about the iPhone with a peltier cooler attached
+1
It'd be great to see a comparison with a cooler attached to the iphone.
Leadjoy M1C+ for example supports a cooler while providing seemingly the same features as a backbone one, but I can't find any comparisons regarding game performance with and without coolers.
Tablets and smartphones are an insanity to play with touch screen. They can never replace a 100% true game machine. Hopefully.
FWIW, Final Cut on iPad is designed to be used….wait for it….with your hands.
Because the iPad is a tablet.
You’ll have a much better time with it that way.
If I could use that Ipad Pro as a battery powered, external display, I'd be far more tempted to upgrade my M1 iPad Pro to that model. If I could use that USB-C port as a HDMI In, as well as Out, and I could plug in various devices on that beautiful display, that would be an extra selling point, for me. Hmmm, has anyone actually tried that? I doubt it would work but... amazing if it did.
I dare apple to put macOS on this chassis and call it the new MacBook Air
Oliver in the opening: "Leave Britney alone!"
Faster than iPhone 15 pro? Isn’t the M1 faster than the A17?
Gaming performance on iPad Pro is great, even the older ones. Love it, wish I could play more on it
I prefer the screen of the Xperia 1V coupled to Cinealta, unfortunately not existing in tablet format.
I'm still rocking a 7th gen iPad with the A10 chip, and the combo of both this M4 processor and tandem OLED has me *really* considering an upgrade.
However... then I remember that nothing I actually use my old iPad for really struggles much on my older hardware, and Retina display still looks fine to my standards.
I'll probably still continue to wait another generation or two. 🤔
I use stage manager more than I thought I would
Comparing it with a 2017 low-end console seems about right for the Apple’s silicon.
Limited operating system. My office purchased four of the latest iPad pros m4 with cellular capability (1399 i think?). It's gorgeous but it just sits for me. I have a cell phone for cell phone things, a macbook m1 air for simple productivity, and a nice gaming desktop for gaming and intensive productivity. Not saying that's the end-all be all of devices to have in a workflow and game flow, but I just don't understand tablets very well.
Let's be real, they are marketing gaming to an entire audience that doesn't game to begin with, or know what games even are beyond mobile "games".
How do you think it's going to go?
Just because it doesn’t fit your needs doesn’t mean it doesn’t live up to the pro moniker. It’s pro for video editors and digital artists.