What Happened to China's "Apache Attack Helicopter" ?
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- Опубликовано: 11 янв 2024
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This is China’s Z-10 the People’s Liberation Army's signature attack helicopter, also known as Fierce Thunderbolt. Some experts call it the Chinese Apache. Meanwhile the PLA even claim it’s better than their western counterparts. It does bear a striking resemblance to the American Apache but are they close siblings or distant kissin’ cousins? China claims this is their first domestically produced attack helicopter but we’ll see that’s not exactly true. Does the Z-10 really have the latest S-tier improvements in weaponry and avionics? I’m your average infantryman Chris Cappy hit that like and subscribe button and let's find out.
Written by: Chris Cappy & Armando Duarte Galan
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But China had a major problem because After that whole incident with Pratt and Whittney, they could no longer obtain the PWC engines, so they started using their own version, the WZ-9 Turboshaft engines. These were developed with Ukrainian and Russian assistance. According to an article from aviation week.com In 1994 A secret contract was signed with the Kamov Design Bureau of Russia in order to design the helicopter airframe. Each engine has a power of 1,000 kW and although it’s not as powerful as the first engine, it allowed for lower operational costs and freedom from all those pesky international political issues. Because of the lower power, the variant Z-10A has a reduced weight that includes a redesigned nose, twin 90-degree upward engine exhaust ports, less armor protection and a smaller weapon load. They had to cut the advanced sensor suite too and choose a moderate suite. Not perfect, but good enough for their purposes.
By 2016, the PLA announced that they had equipped all of its ground force aviation units with the Z-10. Chinese culture is known for their emphasis on symbolism and their attack helicopters are no different. Because their 2016 delivery marked the 30th anniversary of the establishment of the PLA’s aviation force.
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Capitan you got free money from apple today… I was definitely going to watch it without the AD
I'm an android user. Sorry.
Taiwan is not a part of China! It is a independent country
The United States, Russia, United Kingdom, France and other important countries don’t recognise it as a country so it’s not a country
In all but name yeah.
China is a part of Taiwan
Nope. Is China mainland part
China is part of taiwan
OMG, I never heard the whole story about Pratt & Whitney selling to China. I worked for a UTC company at the time, and all of a sudden we had to start export control classification of everything. We were making air conditioners, so it seemed ridiculous. But the people who explained why made it sound like someone accidentally shared something with China they weren't supposed to. This doesn't sound like an accident at all though.
Capitalism is nobody's friend but money's.
@ProbablyNotAChicken
Name a better system. It's not socialism. Ask someone who lives in a Socialist society.
Paper tigers.
@@ProbablyNotAChicken What are talking about? How else can a person born into poverty have an opportunity to become whatever they want to be with the right choices and good hard work? Communism doesn't allow that. It's completely unthinkable in a Monarchy. I don't know why it's so cool to bash capitalism these days. If you're upset with the corporations, then stop buying thier products! But the corporations won't dissappear under Socialism, and the rich will still be rich. The dream of economic equality in reality will be everyone equally poor, except for the super rich who will control everything. That's what always happens when communism takes over. But you people apparently don't know about history. It's a shame what the education systems are pushing these days.
@@markmitchell457Norway, Denmark, UK, post WWII to Reagan USA (when top tax bracket rates were up to 90%, unions were strong, and basically every male who served got a free education), Sweden, Iceland, Republic of Ireland, etc. are all examples of socialism. The US as is, Russian Federation, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are examples of modern capitalism in effect. I'd argue it's more totalitarianism vs libertarianism that's the debate we should be having. I say this as a leftist libertarian, but I think we can all agree no one should have more money than God. Can you make more than me for a harder, more dangerous job? Absolutely. Is being a C-level/President/business owner worth billions a year? Absolutely not.
This becoming my absolute channel on all youtube. It's not just the content , but also how you present your content. Please keep the great work going.
A bit cartoonish. So the Z-10 is Russian and is a copy of the Apache so then the Russians copied the Americans, which it somehow forgets to mention.
New to the channel, you do a great job.
The one thing that this video overlooked is that the marine corps chose the cobra for a reason. The cobra is simpler to operate and 4 to 5 times more cost effective. For example the maintenance hour to flight hour is is 1/8 that of the Apache. The fuel burn rate 2/3 more efficient and offer a similar time on station and better performance at low altitudes which are the only reason for its existence. Now to say that the Apache is apex of rotary wing attack platforms is an understatement. I'm not going to pull a warthunder and blab specifics but some of the lesser known capabilities of the Apache really put into perspective on how much more advanced the US is compared to any adversary.
Marines can't afford Apaches. They get the table scraps from every other branch.
@@kerbalairforce8802 oh yeah, thanks for that. I almost forgot, a single Apache longbow with full armament cost more than 3 cobras.
@@kerbalairforce8802 My guy out here spittin truth. Had a guy in tech school who was a former Marine. It blew his mind that the Air Force trainees get to keep the books we used in class.
Don't forget the parts commonality with the Venom
Yeah, but it didn't develop a reputation of the enemy surrendering at the sight of one.
4 z10 were given to Pakistan by china earlier for trials. Pakistan conducted extensive tests and trials on it and finally returned them back due to some issues. Pakistan had reportedly identified 30 or so issues and suggested many improvements which were included in Z10me version and now Pakistan has placed a significant order for them. China gave these helicopters to Pakistan for extreme testing because of Pakistan's 4 decades of experience with American cobra attack helicopters which saw a lot of combat in Pakistan's mountainous regions.
The terrain in pakistan is also punishing, great place to test a helicopter
At first I thought you were going into some LOTR meme LoL. I guess China is a bit like Mordor.
The thing is pak wanted new cobras or turkish heli but due to sanctions both were denied
Hence it had to settle with z10 which china gave them on a credit line
Basically china sold a product and also loaned money to buy it and pak had no options
Source by India Scammer Center...??? 😋😜😁🐄🐮
@@hiteshadhikari It wasnt that pakistan didnt recieve the turkish helis because they were sanctioned but because the turkish helicopter uses an american engine and the U.S could deny them the helis. But thats not the turks doing it its still the U.S
Apache AH-64E only has 4 hardpoints. Main difference from previous D version it has a new engine and composite rotor blades giving it a higher payload capacity thus allowing it to carry its long bow radar. Otherwise if has both long bow radar and 6 hard points it will be too heavy.
This information was interesting and appreciate it
I’m not all the way through the video so I’m not sure if you touch on this. But part of the reason why attack helicopters became so important for China in the 1990s is because of the effect U.S. helicopters had on Iraqi armor in Desert Storm. Chinese military officers write about this in a series of essay that is now a book called “Unrestricted Warfare”
Honestly Desert Storm probably surprised many people including military experts. Nobody realized just how effective the US military had become since Vietnam. Add to that just new kinds of warfare: stealth attack, bunker busters, helicopter attack raids, special forces assault. It was a much newer kind of warfare, that if you didn't prepare to cou ter, would sweep over you pretty quickly.
At the end of the day, I don't fault China for wanting a strong defense. But their goal to invade Taiwan is untenable and unacceptable.
what a wild title for a volume of essays, daaang was my reaction to it
It is written by 2 generals in the PLA? It was a dissertation on how to control all fronts of warfare by using economic, hacking, soft power, and legal loopholes to continue bombarding the western world with propaganda, whilst avoiding kinetic warfare (at the time they were aware that the could not win a nuclear or kinetic war at all) , then they later talk on what strategies to use in the event of a hot war with westwrn forces and how to induce the most damage to their "enemy" similar to how Japan had to attack the west to expand in Asia for resources and economic growth. @MarkWeihe-oh8hb
The Apache is modified to be used at sea by the British, so if the US wanted to, it could make the same modiications to make sea worthy Apaches. Of course due to the US industrial military complex, instead of taking the existing work of its closest ally for basically free, it has to give Boeing millions just to due the same work that the Brits already did.
For the most part it’s just the ability to align the INS on a moving boat and a few other minor things.
The Brit put there own engine on the things its very different then ours maybe their upgrades would not even be compatible. Not to mention we are flying E models now that have a completely different software suite. Brit Apache’s are way better than our d that we sent them…
Not to mention we have cobras why would our army need this capability
Probably because the Marines wanted to keep the Viper and Apache is mainly a Army attack helicopter there's always a feud between those two military branches it's pretty interesting how different Vehicles were came about for each branch because they were jealous of one another
@@brianv1988Not a feud I’d say. The army just has a different mission set than the marines do. When I was at an Apache Gunnery some marines showed up with some cobra. It was pretty cool to see the similarities and differences between the 2 helicopters. Apaches are big and made to pack a punch. Cobras are small and made to fit on a boat.
@@brianv1988 Not exactly. Marine Aviators bitch about the Cobra's lower reliability, higher maintenance, sluggish handling, poor gun accuracy, etc. _"This isn't the Cobra we asked for,"_ they say. But it is _stupid_ to allow a military system to exist _with no competitor._
@@tristansundquist1834 I'm not necessarily talking about these two helicopters in general I'm talking about throughout history I guess it's not really a feud but maybe a friendly rivalry. what would you call it
The only exception in Apache Naval operations is found within the British Army. They used the AgustaWestland (currently Leonardo Aircraft UK) WAH-64 on board of their HMS Albion Landing Platform Helicopter and the former HMS Ocean class Ships.
I Love how funny you made your video and lot of good intel.
It's important to understand that it wasn't the U.K., France, Italy, or other countries helped China, but that profit-driven private corporations helped. _That's_ the real problem.
Facts
Much like how Nvidia openly made 4090D for China to go around the us government ban on 4090 ti,
Like what are these companies thinking earn until they are at the doorstep, then what?
@@AmalDasPV Capitalism: Loyalty to currency over country or conscience.
No, because they could have just done what America did and banned companies from helping. They didn't.
There's no problems into that, people are bashing China because it's the enemy of all the West governments, and that what all their media says. But some people don't realise that not everyone thinks China is "bad". This controversy is purely political, and some company don't want to give a shit about those politics.
Now that's a sponsor segment you can be proud to make.
damn right ive been waiting years for this to come out! It cant beat BoB but its going to be good.
Then there's the rigetti shirt. Are they a sponsor or did he just get the shirt at a quantum computing startup yardsale? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
(I want a rigetti shirt, too.)
Seriously. That's one commercial I didn't fast fwd through, I'm AMPED, even though odds are it will be a disappointment in comparison to BoB. Kind of a bummer though that whatever soldiers they feature aren't alive to enjoy it, which also makes me nervous about how many liberties they took with the story
Loved the "Frontlines Whispers" episode!
Two decades behind? That's unreal. Thanks for this video!!
After its first flight the Apache took 11 years to enter service. Now no one complains about how long it took. It's the end product that matters. Update: The Flanker also took a long time to develop. There was a big redesign. T-10 to T-10S. Flanker A to B.
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
And the flanker is a bit of a lemon. The redesign was a desperate attempt to get a working platform out of it at a reasonable cost.
I actually genuinely agree with you @@DanielJoyce
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once.
Takes a lot of time to go from prototype to battlefield grade. Development cycle for the F35 was something like 25 years. Abrams was 16 years. MiG25 was 9 years, T14 is 14 years. Getting out a weapon system that is up to grade takes a lot of time.
The Z10ME version is actually pretty good. Has a top mounted millimeter wave radar like the longbow.
Yeah well, some of us get a cut of that $500m "anti Chinese misinformation" propaganda money from Uncle Sam, so...
Denel Rooivalk.. I was fascinated as a kid by attack helicopters. Had a huge book on them, on the front cover was the South African Rooivalk. This platform is what China has based their helicopter on.
Cappy’s back!!
It resembles the AW129 a lot more than it resembles the Apache IMO, visually at least
That's because it borrows more from. The AW than it does Apache.
I don't know why Americans insist on this, when both visual and internal similarities are closer to Agusta-Westland helicopters than they are any American helicopters.
@@blackkn1ght Because region locks for this video are US-centric, and the general viewer would be far more familiar with the Apache than the AW. I'll admit that even I had to look up what the AW looked like because my memory was that it was similar to the Apache. Would a European content creator draw comparisons with their own material? Or that of another nation's? Generally speaking.
I think the parallel being drawn is to imply the Z-10 is on par in performance terms with the Apache. In term of appearance I'd say it looks like a mix of Tiger and an Mi-28, both of which are essentially Apaches off wish.
I'd say it looks more like a South African Rooivalk.
Yup or the tiger
South Africa built a helicopter like this in the 80’s & 90’s. Denel created the look to aim system back then. In the South African-Chinese relationship has become exceedingly strong over the years.
Unfortunately yes!
@@patrickcannell2258 I’m sure the USA has benefited technologically from friendly relations with the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Canada.
@Bk6346 sure. I don't support communist regimes at all.
Exactly, USA had benefitted from cooperation from other countries? So why “unfortunately yes” for china? Is china an aggressor nation? It has not been so far in the last 50 years…
I thought I saw a bit of the Rooivalk in that Chinese chopper
I am cracking up at a Masters Of the Air Commercial. All my RUclips channels are talking about it without a paid commercial. Nice to see advertisers for Task & Purpose!!!!
Bro... Frontline Whispers was hilarious. Damn, Cap I was rollin'
Looks more like a Eurocopter Tiger than an Apache.
More like Augusta-Westland A129 to be more specific)
More like Augusta-Westland A129 to be more specific)
More like Augusta-Westland A129 to be more specific)
Sometimes I don't understand why PWC sold those engines to China. They get short term profits but with that, China will just reverse engineer the engines and make a local version and they can't sue.
Probably that civilian contract was too juicy at the time. Honestly it not the first time a smaller defense company decides to sell parts because there is no contract in the U.S., though normally it is to countries that they can expect no issues from dealing with like the NATO bloc in Europe.
The PRC checkbook is really fat. Even US corporations are not immune to the allure of wheelbarrows full of money.
In the realm of technology, you are at the forefront, recognizing that the Chinese will eventually catch up. It's a matter of time and quality, and many companies grasp that concept. It's simply a question of when， Will China cease to develop the engine indefinitely if the agreement with Ukraine's JSC Motor Sich falls through?
You need to understand why foreign companies or governments treat the purchase or theft of these technologies as invisible. Besides giving too much money. There is actually a balanced strategy.
If the United States had no enemies, it would turn around and eat its own little brother. So governments and politicians with strategic vision in Europe and America will overlook this situation. Shaping a powerful enemy, Americans will not turn their heads and eat their little brother.
Isn't that how technological progress works? Everything is stolen from Germany and UK in ww1. If anyone cannot reverse engineering, then technology will be as slow as a snail. Also China put pressure on the west so they make better equipment than the cheap made Chinese one. So stop blaming China for everything, put your foot on their boots.
I like how your channel is filmed, unlike those channels which they stick their face in the shot all the time..
oh my god... Band of Brothers was released in 2001?? I suddenly feel super old and I need a hug.
Front-line whispers 😂 I like the ocassional silliness! Shows a great sense of humour and that you don't take yourself too seriously.
that, and the original prototype's "strong, independent engines who don't need no pilot to tell them what to do!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Whenever China says they've made "the best in the world," I am immediately skeptical.
becuase you like to cope
China never said anything like that, they have an official terms for their advance weapons, "comparable to world leading standard"
DJI is.
@@johnc1873Chinese nuclear forces missiles full of water instead of fuel.
Their QC is garbage too.
@@levelaznChinese battery starts on fire. Chinese drones are cheap garbage. Chinese 5g is stolen from Canadian company nortel decades ago.
I remember watching band of brothers when it first came out on HBO. I have all 5 dvds love that series
Another banger of a video from my fellow Blue-Cord brother. Stay the course, homie. Also, fix that funking headgear @ 6:34 minute mark or you can "Front- Back- GO!" Until my arms are smoked.
The Z-10 is as domestically produced as their J-10
Did they even invent chop stix?
Or PL-7, or PL-8...
@@etstamar4063 or the j-35
Also the z10 was designed by kamov and the j10 it's based in the mig pakfa prpposal
@@ignacio3890 the J-10 is designed on the IAI Lavi project
15:48 The casual War Thunder loading screen drop lmao
This thing looks like the Apache and the Comanche got together. Kinda cool looking.
Interesting choice of 5 blades on main rotor. I know prime numbers are often used in such propulsion systems to reduce vibration. The Russian Ka-50 uses two coaxial 3 blade rotors, possibly for the same reason.
Modern US and European attack helicopters all appear to use a 4 blade main rotor system. I'm not entirely certain of all the trade-offs but I note that similar sized commercial helicopters tend to use just 2 blades.
I note Sikorsky is touting it's 'Raider X' which has two coaxial 4 blade rotors. Certainly their is some reason for this decision.
One of my top 10 fav yt creators.
Frontline whispers
Love it.
Great video Cappy! I love your content.
BTW, you showed a picture of an AH-64 with 4 hardpoints and said it had 6. AFAIK, the AH-4 only has 4 hardpoints in all the versions I know about.
They can be fitted with wingtip rails to carry small AAMs for self defense which gives them 6 hard points, but outside of the Israeli AH64s who often carry Python AAMs for UAV duty you don't see them used very often.
@@robertbailey7798 Look at 17:50
I really need to watch Band of Brothers...thing is I have a medal boxset of it...given to me by a WW2 veteran that I was close to when I was alot younger
So as much as I want to watch it, I feel horrible I hadn't of watched it before together and spent more time with him, for almost a decade its been proud above my bed
RIP Tom
Cappy, check out the South African Rooivalk (Roy-Fulk) attack helicopter. The Z10 is a lot closer to it
Funny how big corporations only get fined when threatening national security. Individuals would go to prison.
HML/A-167 Cobra making an appearance! Thanks Cappy!
Very impressive breakdown
18:15 the annotation pointing at the TY-90s and saying theyre PL-5 and the other one pointing at the a2g missiles and saying theure TY-90s is breaking my brain
Hey Cappy love your content man! Can you do an analysis on the Indian LCH Prachand? Would love to see your take on it
Can’t stand this guy’s condescending tone. Especially when much of his intel is still speculative and not based on actual verified specs or reverse engineered analysis of Chinese weaponry. Chinese technology these days have vastly improved from decades past as they are transitioning from global imitators to innovators. They currently lead the world in dozens of critical technology innovation including space weaponry, ai, drone tech, EVs, hypersonic weaponry, and aeronautics. Despite what you think of China’s military design prowess, having the ability to develop a class of machinery like this as a nation’s first of its kind dedicated attack helicopter amid global embargoes and sanctions aimed at impeding your progress is still rather impressive.
You should make a kickstarter for frontline whispers 😂. I’d pay to see it 🤪
The Z10 looks a heck of a lot like the Rooi Valk attack helicopter from RSA. And they changed the engines to the prat and witney engines.
So according the logic of this channel, Rooi copied Apache
It's a blast to watch well researched videos like this then go hang out with some old vets.
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
Just for context PWC had revenues of around 16 billion in 2022. 75 mil does not seem like much of a deterrent.
Dude, that's a badass sponsor to pull!
1. I've never heard of a FADEC engine that didn't have manual over ride. It could be true. It would make it more simple to manufacture and require less training for the pilots, but also less control in case of a FADEC failure.
2. The 90 degree upward exhaust ports actually decrease power available by about 4%. Their purpose is to disperse the hot exhaust so the aircraft is less suseptible to heat seeking missles.
The Apache struggled with a dismal operational ready rate for the first 20 years and the newer D models and E models are significantly more capable in terms of reliability, armament and power than the A models. China is not known for producing reliable products and I suspect the same can be expected in their aviation industry, especially for a new aircraft.
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Great presentation! Interesting info on the Z10. I was wondering how much was original PRC ingenuity. Incidentally, great sponsor. I just happen to be streaming Band of Brothers again. Just didn’t register how log it’s been since it was released.
like J10, Z10 is just them tiptoeing into attack helicopters. The next gen of attack helicopters, which is under development, will have more ingenuity
It looks closer to a Augusta or T129 atak
Rooivalk
Well the T129 is basically a license production of the AW129 with some updates.
My only comment on the Apache is the UK version is design to operate at sea on our carriers and assault ships and has several modification to allow them to do so
i like the way on the intro that he said "distant kissing cousins"
Not enough slapping in the telenovela segment… but jokes aside, love your content man. Got my dad and brother watching you too!
Great work on the episode and great content, it's been a treat watching your channel gain a bigger and bigger following.
Dude, I’m pretty sure the AH64D has four under wing pylons - like most attack helicopters. Sone apaches can be equipped with wingtip mounted Stingers or sidewinders though.
"Because those engines are strong, independent engines that don't need no pilot to tell them what to do!". Man, you are freakin hilarious.
Since there's so much foreign technology in these aircraft it would be a shame if there was a hidden kill switch embedded in the electronics or software.
West taiwans rocket force says…. Yes there is.
Knowing how giddy Pratt&Whittney was in gifting engines that are 100% digitally controlled, I would not be surprised in the SLIGHTEST if that was the case lmfao.
Think about it, why would they make an engine that cant be controlled manually, on an export aircraft to a foreign adversary?
100% theres a kill switch in them lol. The fact China cant produce them themselves, means they dont have the source code either. They wouldnt know.
China trying to make something original challenge (Impossible)
Damn you! Now I have to add Apple TV to my list of streaming services! 😂
front lines whispers is hilarious
Thumbs up for mentioning tiananmen square :D
The Z-10 is better than the Tiger Attack helicopter.
Bruv, at this point a Gyrocopter with a .22Lr Handgun strapped to the side makes for a better attack Helicopter than the Tiger.
The Tigre is the best example of the downside of the multinational idea and a "one fits all approach". Ask the Australians who dumped this POS.
@@zacmorgenstern7370Yes we are and thankfully the US Apache is the chosen replacement.
The only reason is now australia is fully integrated into US Army. But otherwise Tiger > Apache@@zacmorgenstern7370
That bad?
@@ebiekem They are shocking. Like, They’ve spent more time being repaired than they have flown.
You’d have a better time flying one on a simulator, and it wouldn’t surprise me if for added realism, it broke down there too.
Where did you get of these fascinating info?
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Chinese Boss: how do we know this thing will work?
Chinese Employee: let's sell it to Pakistan, and we'll watch
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
That has worked out well !
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Lmao
In aeronautics, unstable is a synonym for Maneuverable. Aka the F-16 is an unstable design.
You missed out on the air to air missile launch capability---of the newest version-.
Previous UK Apaches were equipped with flotation bags & changes to the canopy to allow crew to escape in a water landing . Were replacibg our fleet with pretty much the new Apache "Guardian" same as the US Army. I think these all come with same modifications the UK made as standard.
The American engine is slightly less powerful than the British one, but I think you're right - the American AH-1E and British AH-1F provide mostly the same capability.
I cant stop watching this guys channel, such high quality content. Thank You!!!
and US propaganda
@@elcormoran1
Better than Canadian propaganda
@@ruger8412 and miles ahead of chinese and russian propaganda
How did they get Pratt Whitney engines??
Thnx for showing ladakh not a part of china you earned subscriber ❤🇮🇳
Ladakh is part of Tibet
@@downtomars6268 and Tibet is part of Akhand Bharat
It looks much more like a Eurocopter Tiger than an Apache
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
Yes i have the same thinking, seeing the shape of the helicopter it more resembling to Tiger.
Well on the performance aspect, im not going to underestimate it, its a cool gunship too 😁
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Made in China weapons...yawn.....
wave-guided missiles? You mean radar guided... @@peekaboopeekaboo1165
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Going off the embarrassment of past Chinese weapons systems... No one in the world is worried about the Chinese Military. The Chinese military are all about quantity over quality.
I'm curious...who went to prison for violating the embargo by giving China the PW engine technology? I mean somebody had to do jail time for that, right?
Probably not...
If you go to jail for export control issues it's because you messed up repeatedly, we're given the oppurtunity to correct it, and you still continued to do wrong.
Fun fact, at university, the export control office is the one group who tells you to racially profile, when it comes to discussing research in areas that are export controlled. Basically discussing research details to a non US citizen counts as an export of technologies.
Canadian companies have always known what they are doing, and the Canadian government also knows. Due to pressure from the United States, the engine was cut off.
But no one was imprisoned and no one was punished because, to put it bluntly, this is business. In order to make money.
@@LTW76 Canadians can know anything except logging and mining, oh my god
@@LTW76 Thanks for the update.
Make a video on "LCH Prachand"
You should look into the aw 249 from Italy
Call me a moron but I wished the RAH-66 Comanche would've become the standard. Can you get any cooler than a "stealth" reconnaissance attack helicopter? I wanna buy one!
Bell Helicopter is working on a new stealth helicopter. Cappy did a video on it.
@@Josephus_da_Killeri believe it's the Bell Invictus. It does resemble the Comanche
I agree, that platform had a lot going for it, and still does. Sure it was already a bit outdated when they stopped the program but updating that well developed design with newer radar and avionics should be easy (or at least easier than starting from scratch). It was by no means the missile truck the AH-64 is, but a great light helicopter suitable for recon and light attack.
Check out the 360 Invictus..it's everything the RAH-66 Commanche was intended to be, but kept fully up to date..
Commanche was in danger of becoming obsolete, by the time it would've been fielded, as it was taking too long.
So, now you've got the best of both worlds, all the research into commanche, but with all the more cutting edge tech.
Patience, Grasshopper..
Reckon It's gonna be worth the wait.
Please do Anyalysis on HAL Prachand that is Used by IAF
It's a relatively a new weapon system and they need to get the privates to brake it to find out how to really make it work. I think they are fully capable of doing that. I think the real weakness is training time. They may get there someday, but not today.
I hate it when people say "on the edge of your seat". Not a single movie has ever done that to me. :D The only thing that has are competition shows where the result is actually up for chance.
Taiwan Infantry Grunt 1: "Four Z10s coming in low at 3 o'clock, 1000 meters!"
Taiwan Infantry Grunt 2: "Meh, Task & Purpose made a video about those. They only have four weapons attachment hard points compared to the Apache's 6, and the chin cannon has a lower rate of fire than the Apache's."
Taiwan Infantry Grunt 1: "Sorry I blew up, man, for a second I thought we had a problem."
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
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Front-line Whispers now joins General Hostility as my favorite soap operas!
I’m curious if anyone knows why Helis haven’t completely replaced tanks and transports? Especially after Vietnam exp. Is the reason soley cost and scale? Or is there a tactical reason?
Looks a lot like Rooivalk helicopter. May be that they had more cooperation with Denel than just rotors.
Thanks Pratt & Whitney. Another fine example of how corporations have no allegiance other than to the almighty $$$.
Dude, Lockheed Martin would sell the F22 to China and Russia if Congress didn't pass laws against it. It's insane. Sadly it's not just business execs. Engineers and even former military will gladly share secrets for money.
Were they ever punished for it ?
And the (cough) Obama state department (cough, cough)
The z 10 looks like a SA Rooivalk is it just me ? 😅
No!! I thought it looked like a Rooivalk had mated with a Eurotiger!!
@kc9602 I agree it does look like a weird love child .
Looks a lot like the italian one too. Same concepts and missions tends to bring the same design maybe :)
Helicopters can be useful. The case with Raisi is a proof.
It looks quite a bit like the South African "Rooivalk", attack helicopter, but then it looks a bit smaller.
I heard some time ago South Africa was passing technology to China.
Rooivalk weapons technology was used to upgrade MI-24's in a North African countries helicopters.
AH-64D has 4 wing mounts. End stabs are unused. AH-64E is planned to get 6 wing mounts due to upgraded transmission and engines.
Still, more weapons = less fuel and ammo.
You know in the NAVY we have the saying lose lips...
AH-64E was first fielded in 2013ish and still only has 4 weapon attachment points. No plans completely redesign the wings to support that addition.
@@rgloria40 It was from PR releases...
@@robertpittard1 it's coming. Not gonna be so many heavy hellfire racks. Additionally stuff is for UAV related pods and sensors. I doubt it will be any heavy stuff far outboard
Hey Chris, love your videos. I would love to see a video on the Indian light combat helicopter, newly named Prachand. While there's a lot of videos about that helicopter, but it's all kind of Ra Ra videos. Would like to hear a critical review of that helicopter.
U$ & it's al'lies dubbed it as an "Apache" copycat ...and also belittle it's capabilities .
Z-10 is also armed with Millimeter wave-guided missiles .
Z-10 supplementing the Z-19 and Z-9 ... for a total of at least 500 AH & Gunship .
0:16 Looks much closer to a Eurotiger from that angle. 12:11 The UK predominantly operates their AgustaWestland Apaches from ships..
At 15:45 that is a loading screen for war thunder and that is not an ECM pod it's a 12.7MM MG pod lol
Check this:
Denel Rooivalk
Cruise speed: 278 km/h
Engine type: Turbomeca
First flight: 1990
🇿🇦
Well done P&W for helping a rival country develop their weaponry.
Guess they are hoping to benefit from urgent government funding to go and develop something better?
Who is your rival ? China is created to be enemy by USA
I want another episode of Frontline Whispers