The Rise and Fall of Marvel | Fraudulent Creators Clips

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I sat down with Robert Meyer Burnett of @THEBURNETTWORK to discuss the symptoms of fraudulent creators and how these desperate people, corrupt valuable franchises to the determent of fans and the owners of these intellectual prosperities.
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[@Avarn388]

Having rewatched the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition( my favorite movie trilogy of all time) and listening to Fran Walsh and Philpa Boyens work on the screenplay, I have a much greater appreciation of planning your movie out and really locking the screenplay. It helped the movie had a large amount of pre-production time and that translated to both of them writing all the screenplays and refining them the best possible way they could with Jackson at the helm. In Loveness' case, I suspect Marvel just gave him an assignment and he had to deal with Alonso and executives like her and Feige. Combined with a case of overconfidence on Loveness' part and Marvel's, it's why the movie ended up the way it was. Plus, Bob Iger swooping in to making last minute changes.
All in all, you're right in that having a writer eager to learn and work hard will always be a great thing. But this is where experience comes into play. Because when you're playing with so much money on the line, you will have executives down your neck because they have a vested interest. Being able to navigate that and work is a skill in of itself and one that isn't cultivated over night. It takes time.

[@Reidbynature]

If I recall correctly the guy was fairly unrepentant post Ant-man 3's release. Which is something I think speaks to the entitled attitude of a subsection of modern writers and not just an inability to adapt, but a refusal.

[@Avarn388]

@Reidbynature I try to avoid culture war stuff, but it's a lot of hubris and sensitivity. These folks live in a bubble where they think everything they make is the best thing since sliced bread. To be fair, there's nothing wrong with having confidence in your work. If you lack confidence, why should anyone believe you. But you should also have the self-awareness and humility to admit when you mess up or question your choices. Loveness, like a lot of Hollywood folks, do not understand this and in turn whenever trying to reconcile the rejection, they blame the audience because it's never their fault. It's the audience for not "getting it".
That to me is the most disturbing element about this. Forget the politics but going after your customer base when has that ever worked? Give me an example of where a restaurant owner, or small business owner going after customers ever ended up with them around? Writing is hard and producing something for a screen isn't easy. But you need a thick skin when you make something for public consumption and how you handle criticism can actually be a benefit as opposed to a detriment. Especially if you admit you were wrong or see why individuals had problems and seek to work harder next time.

[@Reidbynature]

@@Avarn388 I was watching a stream about John Lasater when he was with Pixar (think it was a Film Threat stream) and they wen into how John was a different person when critiquing work, almost ruthless. People have no idea just how useful that is.

[@Avarn388]

@@Reidbynature Yes and you should try not to take it personally. If the feedback is good and can help you make a potentially great story, embrace it. Yes positive feedback is nice but negative is where you can really figure out how to do a better job.

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

Rick and Morty is awful. It's "funny" but it is not solid storytelling - and in no way should be considered a test run for feature film story.

[@lucymiau5700]

Rick & Morty is Ground Zero of bad story tellers. From there those bad writers went out into the world like an infection.

[@thehacker4012]

3:40 How was Shang-Chi poorly received? It has a 92% on RT and a 71% on Metacritic. How is that poorly received?

[@ScriptDoctor]

RT and meta critic have been compromised for years. It happens when the studios heavily invest in film critic aggregate sites. The film limped across $400 million world wide at the box office, coming off of a Marvel peak where they were hitting $1b per film on average, and the lack of a rewatch audience was blamed on a pandemic, which didn't seem to affect Spider-man No Way Home (yielding almost 3 times that of the average Marvel movie) a few months later, when it was colder and more ideal for a virus to spread. So much for that excuse.
If the average at that time for a Marvel movie was $1B world wide box office and the movie didn't hit half of that (over a holiday weekend as well) when previous films of lesser known Marvel characters crossed or got incredibly close to that $1B mark, then that is a clear response that the movie wasn't well received, regardless of reviews.

[@thehacker4012]

@@ScriptDoctor So, money equals quality based on your logic? Also, if studios were paying off critics, then why isn't every major blockbuster certified fresh on RT and Metacritic. Sorry, but your conspiracy immediately falls apart with just a little bit of scrutiny.

[@thehacker4012]

@@ScriptDoctor Btw, it completely absurd to think every Marvel movie should cross a billion in order to be a success.

[@ScriptDoctor]

@@thehacker4012 I agree. But given what has been spent to make them, that is sadly the metric required.

[@mikelinux1961]

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