It’s videos like this , that will make our current generation of magicians a much stronger breed… I truly love watching your workJeremy please keep it up!
He just has this old school, gangster, master Sensei attitude and I freakin dig it! Like, “mess up this pinky count and you’ll find a horse’s head next to your pillow” 💯 “Piss poor reason” Just freakin love it! Definitely watching the full interview
@@Chronyql Not only that but he also has a move made only for lefties if im not wrong Ortiz biased pressure fan hahah. Best regards Jeremy. Student of Jason Ladanye here.
@@stjepanbarac3166 I think you’re right. His lefty bottom peek is pretty nice too. I’m glad you’re getting to study with Jason. Quite literally one of my favorite people walking the planet.
This made me remember how difficult this move seemed at first. Now it's second nature. It doesn't take long to train the pinky to work how you need it. I like the exercise he showed. I used to do what Xavior Spade taught, turn the deck face up and whatever card is showing, pinky count that many. The higher numbers got difficult, obviously, but it was like how batters use the heavy weight for training. I never plan on counting that many cards but it strengthened my weak little pinky.
Awesome video. Nicely executed. I have to say that the use of this by magicians such as Ortiz, and Ladayne and others always results in amazing stress in the left hand that, to me, telegraphs a move more than other "get-ready" type moves.
New subscriber. Life long student. Really digging your videos and your knowledge and theory is top notch. So glad I came across your videos. It’s a breathe of fresh air. Thank you
I have no insight on who invented it, but the absolute master of using the pinky count was the late, great Darwin Ortiz. A lot of his work was built around this move, and it was completely undetectable in his hands.
Dang. Being a bit of a comic nerd I knew of Jim Steranko, but had no idea He was also a magician. Learn something new every day. Now off to find his book. Thanks Jeremy!
Thank you for another great video! I have always struggled with the pinky count. And by struggled I mean that it has always kicked my ass. So when I heard you say "pinky count" I sighed and rolled my eyes. But I thought "Jeremy is always entertaining, so I'll watch and at least learn some cool history." Now I'm ready to go another few rounds with the move, but I think the "how to practice" bit may make all the difference. Thanks for all you do for us.
I found that I can actually do the Pinky Count with consistent accuracy by doing the count with my ring finger as opposed to using my little finger! I have much more strength in my ring finger to bend the deck and I also have better sensitivity to counting the cards with my ring finger. So rather than give up on the Pinky Count you may want to try doing the count with the stronger ring (third) finger.
I can relate to that. I have a tied Ulnar Nerve, so my pinky only bends if my ring finger does too. So I often end up using the ring finger. How do you keep the cards from popping up ?
@@Chronyql How do I keep the cards from popping up? I really don't understand the question, because you do want the two top cards to pop up to separate from the rest of the deck. By the way, I have also found that I can use the fourth (pinky) finger to do the count IF I place my ring finger under the deck. If I leave the third (ring) finger up, then it gets in the way of the cards that I want to pop up with the count. I can't hold the ring finger back enough to clear the cards when using the pinky to make the count. And the ring finger being under the deck also helps to bow the deck as the thumb and the pinky have a fulcrum to press against in order to bend the cards. I am new to your channel by the way, and I really enjoy it. I am a professional magician and I heard about your channel from another magician.
Great video to watch.. Been practising the pinky count every time im watching tv.. Still far from being great but it something to fiddle abt subconsciously
Seriously, if it means anything, I’m right there with you. Mine is terrible but useful, as long as no one is burning my hands, otherwise I have to try too hard
This is next level content, really enjoy David's sense of humor too! I have always struggled with getting the ring finger and pinky to work independently of each other. I have remedied this by moving the ring slightly down the edge of the pack while doing the pinky count. I wanted to ask if you or David had any suggestions to fix this? Thanks!
Thanks for discussing this under-used utility move. Probably the only thing that truly annoys me in another magician's handling is the inability to use the pinky count. Most of us have learnt far more difficult stuff that is far less useful and with viable alternatives. The pinky count is not only very efficient, it also doesn't have many alternatives coming close to being as deceitful.
I second that, worst is when a 'pro' uses his free hand to obtain a huge thumb break under a double to transfer it to a huge pinky break. Doesn't matter how great the effect is or how well executed the rest of the slights in the sequence are. After the thumb thing it's over for me, saw a clip just today of exactly this right here on RUclips, worst is I like the magician quite a bit too, thought about mailing him, but I think it has too much potential to go over badly.🤔
@@grantgrimm5617 just send him the link to this video instead, let Jeremy do the talking ;) But yes unfortunately some magicians rely too much on the fact that spectators don't call them out on this, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't weaken the effect, plus it's an insult to the analytic guy at the back of the group burning your hands. In my opinion you should seek to perform for him, then the question becomes "how to make it feel like it's not about the hands?" Because if it is, it's not magic, it's interesting thumbling at most.
I couldn’t agree more. And being guilty of learning far more difficult things without mastering the pinky count like I should have, I can testify to the fact that it creates a weakness in my handling
@@Chronyql I keep my hand face up. A lot of times you don’t even need to necessarily hide the action if you’re communicating well. Verbal misdirection is powerful, after all.
Good video my friend, just a little friendly feedback: it would be great if you could stop the music when people are talking. It makes it that much harder to hear and concentrate. Honestly, the CONTENT itself is interesting enough, it doesn't need the music at the same time! Thanks.
deffo correct .. but don't shit on people who can't do it.. it takes time.. and people may want to show effects before they've mastered it... so theyll have to use alternative techniques... might be piss poor to you.. but with correct presentation it won't be noticed... the moves arnt the magic.. it's how you apply them . best wishes
It’s videos like this , that will make our current generation of magicians a much stronger breed… I truly love watching your workJeremy please keep it up!
Doug, thank you. Seriously.
@@Chronyql Hi. I like the video. I hold the cards in my right hand. Is that OK?
@@ZER0-- It is totally fine. You just have to imagine a mirror and do the same things.
He just has this old school, gangster, master Sensei attitude and I freakin dig it! Like, “mess up this pinky count and you’ll find a horse’s head next to your pillow” 💯 “Piss poor reason” Just freakin love it! Definitely watching the full interview
Like I said… one of the most interesting people I’ve met 😏
Pinky count is excellent tool. Darwin Ortiz changed my card magic with this.
Darwin is one of the major reasons I though it was okay I was a lefty
@@Chronyql Not only that but he also has a move made only for lefties if im not wrong Ortiz biased pressure fan hahah. Best regards Jeremy. Student of Jason Ladanye here.
@@stjepanbarac3166 I think you’re right. His lefty bottom peek is pretty nice too. I’m glad you’re getting to study with Jason. Quite literally one of my favorite people walking the planet.
This made me remember how difficult this move seemed at first. Now it's second nature. It doesn't take long to train the pinky to work how you need it. I like the exercise he showed. I used to do what Xavior Spade taught, turn the deck face up and whatever card is showing, pinky count that many. The higher numbers got difficult, obviously, but it was like how batters use the heavy weight for training. I never plan on counting that many cards but it strengthened my weak little pinky.
X has some great exercises and very good references. He’s the one who fixed my tilt and my dps
Always a pleasure to hear David talk. I miss those long conversations we'd have at the Castle over casual drinks.
I’ve had a few of those conversations… pretty great, I’ll be honest. Hope you two get the chance to catch up soon
Awesome video. Nicely executed. I have to say that the use of this by magicians such as Ortiz, and Ladayne and others always results in amazing stress in the left hand that, to me, telegraphs a move more than other "get-ready" type moves.
When Darwin did it right under my eyes, there was no apparent stress in his left hand and there was no "telegraphing" at all.
Happy to hear more from David. I came across an interview with him a couple of years ago and found it fascinating. I'll definitely watch this one too.
I hope you enjoyed it
I was simultaneously fascinated and terrified. Amazing stuff.
Beyond solid video. Instant subscribe !
Fantastic video as usual! Look forward to more
Thank you for watching!
yay been waiting man.. need more !!!!
Hope you enjoyed the video
New subscriber. Life long student. Really digging your videos and your knowledge and theory is top notch. So glad I came across your videos. It’s a breathe of fresh air. Thank you
I’m really glad you like what you’re finding here
Cool..... Best description of the Pinky Count I've come across.
I’m really glad you feel that way. Thank you for watching
I am not a card guy as such but do enjoy your channel. Thanks for the effort and thought.
I have no insight on who invented it, but the absolute master of using the pinky count was the late, great Darwin Ortiz. A lot of his work was built around this move, and it was completely undetectable in his hands.
This was a great motivation and explanation to optimize my pinky count!
I’m really glad you enjoyed it
Dang. Being a bit of a comic nerd I knew of Jim Steranko, but had no idea He was also a magician. Learn something new every day. Now off to find his book. Thanks Jeremy!
Let me know what you think of it when you find it
Thank you for another great video! I have always struggled with the pinky count. And by struggled I mean that it has always kicked my ass. So when I heard you say "pinky count" I sighed and rolled my eyes. But I thought "Jeremy is always entertaining, so I'll watch and at least learn some cool history."
Now I'm ready to go another few rounds with the move, but I think the "how to practice" bit may make all the difference.
Thanks for all you do for us.
Riley, you made my day with this. I’m really glad you found the material useful. Thank you for watching
I found that I can actually do the Pinky Count with consistent accuracy by doing the count with my ring finger as opposed to using my little finger! I have much more strength in my ring finger to bend the deck and I also have better sensitivity to counting the cards with my ring finger. So rather than give up on the Pinky Count you may want to try doing the count with the stronger ring (third) finger.
I can relate to that. I have a tied Ulnar Nerve, so my pinky only bends if my ring finger does too. So I often end up using the ring finger. How do you keep the cards from popping up ?
@@Chronyql How do I keep the cards from popping up? I really don't understand the question, because you do want the two top cards to pop up to separate from the rest of the deck. By the way, I have also found that I can use the fourth (pinky) finger to do the count IF I place my ring finger under the deck. If I leave the third (ring) finger up, then it gets in the way of the cards that I want to pop up with the count. I can't hold the ring finger back enough to clear the cards when using the pinky to make the count. And the ring finger being under the deck also helps to bow the deck as the thumb and the pinky have a fulcrum to press against in order to bend the cards. I am new to your channel by the way, and I really enjoy it. I am a professional magician and I heard about your channel from another magician.
Very good and in depth teaching.
Thank you Ian
another great video, great information on a indispensable move
Thank you very much!
GREAT !!
Lessons from the King
enjoyed it
Very good! Glad you liked it
Incredible, you deserve way more subscribers!
Thank you 😊
Great video to watch.. Been practising the pinky count every time im watching tv.. Still far from being great but it something to fiddle abt subconsciously
Seriously, if it means anything, I’m right there with you. Mine is terrible but useful, as long as no one is burning my hands, otherwise I have to try too hard
This is next level content, really enjoy David's sense of humor too! I have always struggled with getting the ring finger and pinky to work independently of each other. I have remedied this by moving the ring slightly down the edge of the pack while doing the pinky count. I wanted to ask if you or David had any suggestions to fix this? Thanks!
Just started working on the D’Amico one hand DL. This will replace the thumb count at the beginning of that move.
Love the Steamboats!
this is what we need
Great, as always.
Along with the spread cull I’d say the pinky count is one of the most indispensable techniques I use.
Jeremy, any plans to go over palming? Would be amazing to see.
Awesome thank you.
Thanks for discussing this under-used utility move. Probably the only thing that truly annoys me in another magician's handling is the inability to use the pinky count. Most of us have learnt far more difficult stuff that is far less useful and with viable alternatives.
The pinky count is not only very efficient, it also doesn't have many alternatives coming close to being as deceitful.
I second that, worst is when a 'pro' uses his free hand to obtain a huge thumb break under a double to transfer it to a huge pinky break. Doesn't matter how great the effect is or how well executed the rest of the slights in the sequence are. After the thumb thing it's over for me, saw a clip just today of exactly this right here on RUclips, worst is I like the magician quite a bit too, thought about mailing him, but I think it has too much potential to go over badly.🤔
@@grantgrimm5617 just send him the link to this video instead, let Jeremy do the talking ;)
But yes unfortunately some magicians rely too much on the fact that spectators don't call them out on this, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't weaken the effect, plus it's an insult to the analytic guy at the back of the group burning your hands. In my opinion you should seek to perform for him, then the question becomes "how to make it feel like it's not about the hands?" Because if it is, it's not magic, it's interesting thumbling at most.
I couldn’t agree more. And being guilty of learning far more difficult things without mastering the pinky count like I should have, I can testify to the fact that it creates a weakness in my handling
great I can perfect now thank you
here is a challenge do pinky count without the thumb contacting the deck haha
"This move has helped me and *countless* others.."
Hehe. :-)
i recomend two sources for pink count work, ben earl and shimpei katsuragawa.
I’ll look them up tonight
I came up with it...45 years ago
That first opening shot of Maleks hands look like they were lifted from Artifice, Ruse & Subterfuge…
Those are some Erdnase hands…
Just wow.
0:53 Explaination of Pinky Count in one breath
That part took many many takes 😂
I use the thumb count snap double. Definitely not as elusive as the pinky count, but in my opinion, is much faster than it.
I get. I have a friend whose thumb count outpaces my pinky count every time. He always does it with his hand face down though… do you do it face up?
@@Chronyql I keep my hand face up. A lot of times you don’t even need to necessarily hide the action if you’re communicating well. Verbal misdirection is powerful, after all.
@@imptastic9019 fair enough. Thank you for the reply
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in next video i want to know how you practice
I can do that, but there’s already a release schedule. I’ll see if I can work it into an earlier spot. Thank you for the recommendation
👍👍👍
I’m scared to not work on it now.
Life changer, never screw up and gives you more confidence cause you know you not gonna miss that strike DL
If it means anything, that look he gives scares me too bro
Good video my friend, just a little friendly feedback: it would be great if you could stop the music when people are talking. It makes it that much harder to hear and concentrate. Honestly, the CONTENT itself is interesting enough, it doesn't need the music at the same time! Thanks.
That’s fair. I’ll work on it for the next video
@@Chronyql Full credit to you Jeremy for that positive response, much appreciated. Just got yourself a new subscriber!
I hold the cards in my right hand. Is that ok?
I do the exact same thing! You’re doing great
@@Chronyql Thank's for the encouragement. I'm glad you told me I'm doing great.....Even though you have no idea how I'm doing. (Wink and smiley face.)
So… don’t be encouraging then?
I much prefer the thumb count. At best the pinky count is a get ready. I don't think it's worth practicing
deffo correct .. but don't shit on people who can't do it.. it takes time.. and people may want to show effects before they've mastered it... so theyll have to use alternative techniques... might be piss poor to you.. but with correct presentation it won't be noticed... the moves arnt the magic.. it's how you apply them .
best wishes