I think you have the right idea or philosophy. Clear focus of what you are doing, mission, etc. Equipment that supports that. I’m finding that simpler equipment and simpler ways of use is helpful to enjoy what I’m doing, what works for me. Lots of bells and whistles can hinder that. Good video. Keep up the good work.
I used the UD vest on my last hike up Phelps Mtn. The temps were below freezing (10° to 5° F) and we wanted a place to store items below our mid-layer (spare batteries, energy chews, electrolyte drinks, etc) so they wouldn't freeze. Worked out pretty well.
I have used the Fastpack (an older 20L model). I love it. It just have a rolltop on it, but with all the pockets and storage possibilities, everything I need during the day will fit in the outside pockets, including the cook kit. No fiddling and messing around inside the pack is worth much. For me, it fit 4 days worth of food if I have my tarp, or 3 days of food with the tent. It is very stable and comfortable on the back up to about 15 pounds, I tried it with about 22-23 pounds at most, and above 15 pounds it start to flop around a bit on the back, and you feel the weight on the shoulders, even thought the broad shoulder straps prevent any chafing or localised pain. I looked into UD's homepage, they have upgraded the old 20 and 30 liter packs to 15, 25, 35 and 45 liters.
I use a UD25 now and it's perfect. Literally perfect. I completely agree about backpacking looking at runners gear as we go forward. Adventure racing gear. Water up front is a must for weight distribution for me anymore. I'm digging what you're shovelling brother. Makes sense.
I agree on the UD25. It has the side pockets/pouches and a big mesh stretchy pouch dong the middle back. Surprisingly comfortable and fits quite a bit.
I wish it had rib pockets like a vest does though. Salomon has a cool mesh tube pocket along the ribcage. I can fit enough gear for 3 days no problem but I like being able to grab food on the fly vs stored in the mesh backpanel.
Something I really like is a sewn in CONTOURED TOP FLAP with a one buckle front closure. No brain, just the flap and draw string closure for the one compartment. That's the perfect, efficient, top of pack closure for me. Few packs have it.
Hi. I'm on older small woman and while on the TA in NZ my cuben pack ...... that was old and had already seen a bunch of use fell apart...it was also a discontinued design. I bought the lightest pack I could find there that was an osprey and a pound or so heavier. I really liked its functionality and ease of getting into it but that much weight difference on my small frame was really noticeable for the long haul. I now have a small gossamer gear pack but thinking on a diy project. I've also liked the idea of something vest style for the pockets and added support.... wondered if it would get hot. I'm also designing my clothing with lots of pockets with really light fabrics to offset what's on my back to carrying smaller items in pockets.....
The bottom pocket on the palante is brilliant. I wish UD would implement something like that. I have the older fast pack twenty and use it for all kinds of stuff. Excited to see companies like UD pushing innovation into this market.
Appalachian Ultralight has a pack that is like your Ultimate Direction pack. Its called the Day Tripper. At first I was pretty interested in it, but then I had concerns about the zipper. If that failed while hiking your gear would just fall out all over the trail. I also like have more storage up front so you don't need to take your pack off and stop. This is why I still use a hip belt, for the added pockets.
Thats awesome. I have the UD 20L and have used it for about two years for all my through hiking and shorter overnight trips. Its bigger than the 15 and has stood up well enough! Bladder compartment doesn't work great if the bag is full of stuff, and theres a lot I wish I could have upgraded in a remake version. And its heavy. The 15 looks more functional!
The thing I have typically found most frustrating about packs is the absence of a water bottle pocket on the strap. I used to improvise with two shock cords in the daisy chain to keep a 20 oz gatorade bottle. That worked pretty well but required two hands. Now I use an MLD Prophet with their bottle bag; better but wobbles around a bit. I have yet to meet a side pocket that was truly accessible while walking without having to twist my arm around in uncomfortable ways, especially when putting the bottle back in.
Stu Minnis I like the design of the gregory balto right water bottle pocket. I could reach back and the bottle would be tipped forward making it real handy to grab the water bottle. More companies ought to design something like that. It also could be uses like a normal pocket when tucked back into the bag. Something to think about, but unfortionately those bags are way to heavy to enjoy.
I agree. I have a few packs that are like that. almost impossible to get bottles back in. I think the Palante does excellent with that though. the pocket is lose enough, but still holds a bottle from wobblin. When companies use a tight mesh and/or make the pocket too deep that it becomes extremely difficult.
I'm getting the Palante. I am hoping there will be a slight discount on it, the $220 is a good deal, but with all of the gear to get, it's still a little high for me right now. I want to do the John Muir Trail.
So when I was using my Gregory Zulu I could never get my bottles back in. I could get them out but not in. So I got two of the water bottle clips and put them on two smart water bottles and I would tuck them onto the hip belt. So it would ride just behind the hip belt pocket and the clip was in between me and the hip belt. I loved that system but it did wear the hip belt and the bottles did squeak sometimes. After that I went to the gossamer gear kumo 36 and I like that pack quite a bit but I still have a hard time getting the bottles back in the side pocket sometimes. Maybe once it gets more use it will stretch out and be easier with 2 one liter smart water bottles in it. I’ve been using the two shoulder mesh pockets with small water bottles and like that but then it kinda defeats having easy access to phone, camera, etc. so I’m thinking of getting a nice fanny pack for small stuff and food access. Any recommendations on a fanny pack that is light, comfy, preferably pretty water resistant?
Nathan Rieck Water bottles in shoulder straps is counter intuitive to physics of human body anatomy. Why do people not understand that carrying up to 2.2 lbs on each shoulder strap, this high on the body, thus pulling you forward is totally AFU. Agree with small fanny pack! Very ideal as it is at waist level and at center of gravity.
Functionality outweighs weight for me, but weight is a detail that applies to functionality. It’s possible to have both lightweight and functional without giving up comfort. I recently switched packs because I’d been searching for a pack roughly one size with strap storage instead of a hip belt with pockets. For me it was about identifying what I didn’t love about my original, making a list of what would make it perfect, and searching until I found something that met that wish list. I would have bought the pack (which happens to be the Simple Pack) even if it weighed twice what it does, as it has every detail of my functional-wish-list.
If you could map life in 3 dimensions, it would be helical. Things have a way of going full circle but new technology takes us towards different paradigm. Packs are evolving and will become more functional but without adding any unhelpful weight. Great job on the video.
The Aarn packs have large pockets in the front which help balance the load,really comfortable,love mine. They also make packs for ultra runners with front pockets for bottles and snacks. Check them out Neemor very innovative !
Great point on efficiency vice weight. I literally found your video after having just come back from shooting a video on efficiency, which is a theme eluded to but not often delved into by vloggers. You’re way out of my league when it comes to efficiency, and weight, but in the prep for the start of my AT thru-hike in Feb I have found this to be a more useful way to think about the gear we choose and practices we implement. Seriously enjoyed this video and I hope you continue to look at hyper-efficient, vice hyper-light, gear and techniques. Cheers, Scars.
Hey Nemor, love the design ideas of packs borrowing functionality ideas from trail runners. One thing I often do is use my hipbelt pockets off of my zpacks bag and clip them on a belt string for day trips and summiting peaks from base camps. I am not always through hiking but often exploring peaks from a base camp. I see no need to bring an extra fanny pack when I have great pouches I could use already. I also attach bear spray holster on this string as I live in Canada right off the GDT and interior BC and it is prime grizz country. Thanks for the video love the creativity and hiking evolution. Keep up the stoke and keep it wild :)
This is an interesting discussion, and, after investing thousands to attain an ultralight setup, I've realized both functionality and, more importantly, comfort are a necessity. I've found that I plan my kit based on what I expect to get out of the trip I'm accomplishing. I have three different base weights (SUL, UL, and lightweight) for multiple different purposes. And my favorite pack happens to be my lightweight pack (Osprey Exos 48) because of the features and excessively comfortable frame it offers. Though I do wish that I would have gotten it in the 38 liter size since the extra 10 liters of volume is unnecessary
I bought my first UL pack (GG Mariposa) for functionality more than low weight. The side pocket where I can reach the water bottle without stopping and the large mesh pocket found on most UL packs are great. Most "standard" packs have tiny pockets (if any) where you have to cram your stuff in.
KOSS, good philosophy. I like a simple are a string top with a flap or top compartment. If that pack has a little serving loop at the bottom o the zipper you can put a zip tie through the zipper pull and the loop and fasten it . Not a 100% but it stops simple opening.
I too have started dabbling in trail running and hoping to do some multi day runs. The fastpack 15 has definitely caught my eye. Love my simple pack but I've tried running with it and the bounce kills it for me. Been using the AK Mountain Vest and that thing is sick.
In my experience, when things start to get lighter and lighter, quality eventually takes a nosedive. On the other paw, the gear I once would have chosen, is not the gear I would choose now. In the end, it has to be about what works for you (as you said). I would always choose to have a stove, the extra weight is worth it to me. Regardless, I think the gear we choose needs to be, above all, reliable. jmo
+Kate Long I agree about weight sacrificing durability. Especially with packs. There are cuben packs on the market that are super light, but they might not last a thru-hike (depending on how rough you are with it) but to me, the extra weight of cordura is worth it because I know it won't rip on me and when I'm done with it I can pass it on to someone else who needs a pack. You also make a good second point there, what I would have taken is a lot different than now. especially with sleeping pads. I used to see the thinner closed cell foam and say I could never get sleep use it. But after you try one, you start to get a better feel for what you're willing to use. I think it's all relative to what one has tried and is willing to try. Then you find a happy place after you have experience with both sides.
I recently got the UD fastpack 35 and am seriously considering using it to finish hiking the 1000 miles i have left on the AT this Summer, have done several day hikes with it so far with around 14 pounds and it rides great even during my trail running.
I think that for packs and other gear to get better especially in the ultralight market it will require more competition in the ultralight gear world. More people actually sewing up their ideas for new packs and shelters and not be afraid of stepping on another companies design a little bit to add their few additions or improvements to make current and new pack companies innovate more.
Most people would think of using someone elses idea as their own as a bad thing, but I guess it would keep pushing innovation and variety. You make a good point there.
Your little captions have me in stitches😂And yes, I'm all about functionality. I think the biggest thing you said that resonated with me was, "If it makes sense to me." I think that's what matters. What makes sense to you? What brings you the most joy when hiking? I think that's what matters most at the end of the day. I do cut my toothbrush though😂
I'm currently designing my own pack and have been searching systematically for fresh ideas. But most patents and innovations are far too complex and heavy for UL use - there's surprisingly little of interest out there. A lot of what really matters is the nitty-gritty design detail. But I feel that there are two innovations that really do add value. For SUL trips I'd agree that the vest design has a lot going for it, giving you a good deal of accessible storage. But carrying very light loads isn't really the most interesting problem. I often need to carry warm and stormworthy gear and up to 10 days of food. Once loads exceed 15 lbs or so, much the most interesting innovation I've found is the Aarn bodypack concept, where the load on your back is counterbalanced by front pockets that transfer their load onto the hipbelt. I own one of Aarn's packs and under load the difference is spectacular. Your center of gravity is unaffected, so you retain your natural gait. This makes a huge difference to fatigue over a long day compared to the forward lean of a conventional pack. And there is literally no strain on your neck and shoulders, leading to a pain-free experience after weeks on the trail. Aarn works with a well respected ergonomics lab and my subjective experience is backed up by hard research - this is a much more efficient and healthy way to carry weight. Plus everything you need on the move is instantly accessible in the front pockets - food, water, phone, map and compass, emergency beacon, first aid, gloves, headgear, torch... I've had stormy days where I've walked for 10 hours without needing to take off my pack. But while I love the concept, I'm less impressed by his detailed implementation. He tends to over-engineer, with all kinds of additional bells and whistles that add complexity, weight and failure points for only marginal benefits. Plus there are some significant irritants that I think can be solved with better design. So my next project is to develop my own version. Uptake has been limited outside of a small group of enthusiasts. It looks a bit goofy and takes some effort to master. And in my experience the UL community can be slow to pick up on radical designs that offer better functionality at the cost of a little more weight - the Pacer Pole is another example. But I encourage you to check out the bodypack concept, particularly if you experience discomfort with conventional packs.
It's a formula that calculates how to maximize functionality while minimizing weight. You almost need to chart it out sometimes to pick the right gear option for the given situation. I find that there is always a compromise because you'll never have the lightest AND most functional gear every time.
I think the reason why the UL community is so enthralled by the simple (other than it having the pedigree that it has) is because it's a great example of a very good functional addition. If the only thing that people really cared about was JUST weight, that pack wouldn't have any mesh on the bottom because that is more weight (albeit not very much). I think that function will gradually become more important as diminishing returns start setting in.
Shoulder strap pockets for snacks, water & phone/camera are key. The Simple Pack's bottom pocket is a great idea too. Not sure why race vest companies aren't succeeding in ultralight pack world or why more cottage industry pack companies don't take more inspiration from race vests. And also, UL clothing that omit pockets to save weight... if having pockets helps me keep my pack on and keep moving, that's worth it.
I think functionality is super important. But still, it have to be at a decent weight. If a backpack weigh in at 6-8 lbs or even more empty, I dont care how functional it is. But for sure, going from 10 to 15-20 oz and gain easier acces, more carrying comfort, and other improvements in funtionality, it is worth a few extra ounces or even an extra pound or more.
To your comment in another video about companies making shoes in more subtle colors, I'd love that UD pack a lot more if it didn't have their name in giant letters on the back. Good, interesting idea about convenience and streamlining as a way to take UL even further. UL is not solely about the weight, it's about simplification (mentally and physically) and being able to enjoy what you're out there for (less pain, less time messing with gear). Very worthwhile for people to truly evaluate what they're looking for when they go out and what they can do with their gear to optimize for that, not simply weight.
+jtnt yeah. I don't really understand when brands plaster their branding everywhere. I like the minimal branding on the Palante a lot. A pack should be recognizable for the design, not a giant logo.
Functionality. After my AT thru hike I started with a 65lb pack but cut weight to my desire feel to 30 lbs its created that balance. As a past caddy before i feel and get both lightness and complete functionality
I have a Salomon S Lab 2 for hot day running and marathon training, I also have a Salomon adv 5 when I need extra water and gear but not camping overnight and I love both of these packs because there’s very little bounce and it’s like wearing a second skin because the material is so flexible. My local running store is bringing in a UD fast pack 15 for me to try instead of the Salomon 15L (mainly because I want to get in some miles on way back from work which means carrying my work clothes/shoes and laptop with me). The one thing I’ve noticed with the UD fast pack is instead of the webbing from the shoulders going all the way to the pack it has straps instead. Do you get any rubbing on those long treks from bottom section of those straps on your sides?
why choose? both. my idea of ultralight is 8lbs though :D . besides the best benefit of ultralight is i can bring an 18 inch spinning rod/reel that extends to 6'10 for a 1 lb penalty
Have you tried the harness system on the six moon design packs? They have 3 points of contact like a vest/backpack hybrid. Thinking of the FKT40 L www.sixmoondesigns.com/collections/backpacks/products/flight-40-fkt I have an older model similar to this one (2015 model) and know I can strap it down and run in it if needed with no bounce.. The side pockets could be easier to get into but it's a move towards this style. Not saying it's a perfect pack, just saying it's out there. :)
thank you for the video, my first pack was a monster an allice pack large , they tell me an 80 liter is over kill, but it rides ever so nice, makes my allice feel like a tank, I can only dream of how one can fly as some get down to as I hear pack weight of 12 lb and some as low as 6 lb plus food and fuel, I try and my meds weight that lol
I wonder if the math was done on how much time/energy is saved by having functionality, it might show that it's relatively small vs the amount of energy saved by having something that's lighter in weight (because of the constant energy savings all day long). When I hike, I find that by far the most time is spent 1) walking and needing to access nothing at all 2) drinking water 3) eating a snack. So, if an ultralight pack can just give access to snacks and water, any other functionality gained, to me, would seem to have minimal impact. But if losing functionality to save 1 gram wouldn't be worth it. So, it's a formula. It's not just one or the other.
One more question please why isn't it called Thru Backpacking? I just ordered my first UL backpack the 3f ul backpack gray color and I also bought a Jack R Better High Sierra Sniveller 0 degree Quilt...this is a wonderful product...p.s. I also bought a American made Tumpline from Patagonia to use with my backpack...there is a learning curve but they say using a Tumpline is the future of Ultralight backpacking...Yvon Chouinard highly recommends using a Tumpline with any backpack weight...UL traditional and Expedition loads. . .
Amazing video that shows weight is important but functionality should be a high priority also. Don't give up functionality of an item, remember it has a job to do, like Neemor said if it does its job well and weighs a few ounces more, then it's well worth the trade off.
Hi Neemor, Enjoying your channel thoroughly. I'm hoping for a suggestion, as I have struggled to find this specific information online. I'm tossing up between an MLD Burn and the Pa'lante Simple for a great light weight pack, however, I broke my collarbone earlier in the year so am mindful of strap comfort/ distribution. Can you provide any insight into what you might recommend? Cheers!
Hey Millie! Thanks for watching. I haven't tried the MLD Burn yet, but one thing I can say is that my Palante simple v1 has some of the most comfortable shoulder straps I've worn. they're much thicker than the shoulder straps on my Kumo and granite gear pack. I think both the MLD and Palante offer a hip-belt as an option now, so that might also help keeping the weight off your shoulder. I hope the collarbone heals up!
Thanks for the great info Neemor--have you checked out the UD PB adventure vest? It's 16L, but might still work for small trips bc it has large stretchy side pockets that hug the ribs. Just wanted to know your thoughts. Cheers.
Dude, I’ve been intrigued with UD trail/running vest packs. What would you recommend as a good overall trail running/day hike pack? Is the TO Race pack your preference?
I like the TO vest for running a lot. It has enough storage to fit everything for a long day run but I haven't used it hiking. For hiking I usually carry my fastpack 15 because it can fit my larger camera and gimbal in the back pocket.
I ended up selling it because I needed the cash, but as for extra weight, I think cameras are always worth it! the x100 was pretty light considering the quality. now I carry my GH5.
Neemor's World I have it. Was surprised how narrow it was, I guess depth wise. I was looking for a larger pack than my older UD FP 30 and just picked up the ULA Fastpack. It’s a little heavy but it’s massive. Would love your thoughts on it.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think he was in the process of doing it with John Zahorian and for whatever reason (I don't know) he decided to not continue ?
Neemor's World what happened I was really bummed when I saw you get off the trail but I don’t blame you the CDT looks pretty damn scary to me and you can get lost super easy but you’re a pro so it must’ve been something else
+Hike with mike Thorne lol. Everyone makes it seem like we are being vague about why, but the truth is in the video. I left the east coast spontaneously to spend time with John. After a few weeks we stopped agreeing on things, so I went back to the east to hike the LT. The GDT was never in my plan, but spending time with John was, so I joined him for a bit. The GDT does require more navigation than any trail I had hiked before that, but it wasn't as bad as the internet made it out to be. With maps and the app we never really had any doubts of where to go. I don't know if I'll ever go back and re-hike the GDT, but I'd definitely like to go back and spend time in that area. P.s. John and I are still friends 😄 haha.
YOU are on point! shoulder straps are seriously under utilized! Outdoor pack makers need to watch Inspector Gadget ;0 but seriously access while keeping the pack on should be priority no. 1.
I've been spending way too much money on packs. I think I own 10 or more.... everything from ultrilight to waterproof and many in between. While I have been conceiving scenarios for thru hikes, section and day hikes I'm still kinda frustrated. My killer pack is a 35L Klymit Dash. It was a custom pack that Klymit made for a re-seller that specializes in reselling. As for your form over function... I think there is a third variable Cost. Consider the frogg toggs equation. Cheap enough to abuse and replace; for the price of a RAB you could replace the frogg togg every 300 miles -ish. I think the mantra you should consider is... everything you need while you are moving should be accessible and so the velcro, rolltop, clip should never actually be an issue. I learned this lesson last summer when I was attacked by a swarm of mosquitoes and both my spray and net has slid to the bottom of my pack's main compartment. My DASH has 2 shoulder strap pockets and one sipper. I wear pants or shorts with plenty of pockets to distribute my day gear and I use my shoulder straps for my water bottles. The pack uses a klymit air frame and weighs less than 1 pound. I think you've missed something else that might be more important... bigger people need bigger gear to which I say the actual "ultralight" number is somewhat relative. And that means that a packs ability to carry a certain weight is important but also the comfort as the pack adjusts to some equilibrium. Some of my packs simply do not right in the right position. The vest or vest with a fanny pack seems like a good idea. Consider that the military has a harness and fannypack configuration that seems to work.
I think Cost matters a lot. but I also think the boxes of UL, Efficient, Affordable, Comfortable and Durable should all be able to be ticked on every piece of gear in a pack list. maybe we aren't there yet, but there's no good excuse why we can't be. there will always be "premium" stuff that breaks the bank, and hot trendy materials, but overall I think good gear will continue to get cheaper. It's like what Chris said in a comment bellow. If a new company comes a long and they're are able to provide premium backpacking stuffs for a couple bucks it will drive everyone elses prices down. or at least fill that need in the market. I totally agree on that last point. Smaller people need smaller gear. I always joke with people because with all my gear I am lighter than most people naked :D haha which makes your comment about UL being relative make a lot of sense. but I also think the term "ultralight" is a comparison game which often ends up with someone saying "I'm better you" in some way or another..which is kind of sad.
I am far away in the middle of Europe, but my knowledge is, that Pa'lante gave at least two prototypes of vest-style packs to some crazy runners for their FKT attempts on the AT. One of them did set the new FKT. Sometimes I think Pa'lante has the same marketing strategy like Apple or Rolex with certain models. All bigger companies like Salomon or Ultimate Direction do this kind of vest-style bags. But they are made to appeal as big crowds as possible so they are not really useful for fast hiking. Too much clutter, too small, flex bottles which are difficult to handle alone. Or much too trashy like the Salomon Peak 30. I am not religious but Pa'lante makes me wana pray...
yeah, I was at their place when they finished stringbeans pack and it was pretty sweet. I'm not sure their plans with that line, but I hope they become available! also, I think before there was a hiking and a running crowd, but now it seems like there are a lot more hikers willing to take less and wanting to hike at a faster pace, which the larger number of hikers should get companies like UD interested. what do you mean about them having the same strategy as apple or rolex?
Your vest concept taken to the next level is a weight balanced setup consisting of a back pack with chest rigging. From a functionality/accessibility perspective why not look to the military type chest rigs for ideas, lightened up a bit of course? Over the last two decades thousands of soldiers have tinkered and refined to personalize and perfect their load carrying gear. Everything a soldier needs immediately is carried on their chest and belt. It is fair to say that the systems they have developed have been tested in the most extreme conditions and for more miles than all of Americas thruhikers might expect to log in the next 100 years. There are probably a few good ideas to be harvested from those systems.
Like crafts, or using the pine nuts for hikers pesto? Seriously though, really enjoy your videos, hope there are plenty more to come. Have a great new year Neemor.- Doug
Northern Voyageur interesting, I hadn't seen that one. What did you think of the volume? It looks like it would be pretty easy to either: 1. Over fill (weight wise) because of the larger capacity, or 2. Have it be kind of floppy when your gear is in it. I like the front storage on that pack though, looks like you can get a lot of gear/snacks up front.
Neemor's World its not bad. It has a couple snug straps on the side so you can tension the pack in snugly. It doesn't seem to move around whatsoever, fits just as snugly as my Ohm 2.0. My only minor complaint is that ula makes them so robust that you gain a bit of weight for that durability. They also now seem to only use the heavier Robic, whereas my older ohm has some lighter material on the sides and front of the main compartment. But not too big! Only a 25! litre main compartment, but it's round, so you are better off packing it a little loosely and snugging down the sides to make it ride closely to you body. I will have to make a video of packing it! But a neat albeit not perfect step in that direction.
I did a three day, two night hike on the Olympic Coast this season. I must have picked up at least one to two pounds of colored rocks for my daughters. The entire time I kept thinking about the extra weight but couldn't make myself stop because I new how excited my girls would be when I got home.
I think you have the right idea or philosophy. Clear focus of what you are doing, mission, etc. Equipment that supports that. I’m finding that simpler equipment and simpler ways of use is helpful to enjoy what I’m doing, what works for me. Lots of bells and whistles can hinder that. Good video. Keep up the good work.
I used the UD vest on my last hike up Phelps Mtn. The temps were below freezing (10° to 5° F) and we wanted a place to store items below our mid-layer (spare batteries, energy chews, electrolyte drinks, etc) so they wouldn't freeze. Worked out pretty well.
I have used the Fastpack (an older 20L model).
I love it.
It just have a rolltop on it, but with all the pockets and storage possibilities, everything I need during the day will fit in the outside pockets, including the cook kit.
No fiddling and messing around inside the pack is worth much.
For me, it fit 4 days worth of food if I have my tarp, or 3 days of food with the tent.
It is very stable and comfortable on the back up to about 15 pounds, I tried it with about 22-23 pounds at most, and above 15 pounds it start to flop around a bit on the back, and you feel the weight on the shoulders, even thought the broad shoulder straps prevent any chafing or localised pain.
I looked into UD's homepage, they have upgraded the old 20 and 30 liter packs to 15, 25, 35 and 45 liters.
Efficiency, Efficiency, Efficiency usually equals time to hike longer, farther, faster and feeling more comfortable all around.
I use a UD25 now and it's perfect. Literally perfect. I completely agree about backpacking looking at runners gear as we go forward. Adventure racing gear. Water up front is a must for weight distribution for me anymore.
I'm digging what you're shovelling brother. Makes sense.
I agree on the UD25. It has the side pockets/pouches and a big mesh stretchy pouch dong the middle back. Surprisingly comfortable and fits quite a bit.
I have the UD 20L and I think the upgrades they put into the 15L/25L make them excellent.
I wish it had rib pockets like a vest does though. Salomon has a cool mesh tube pocket along the ribcage. I can fit enough gear for 3 days no problem but I like being able to grab food on the fly vs stored in the mesh backpanel.
@@williambrennan7794 which Salomon do you have? Thanks
Currently using the Ultimate Direction Fastpack 45 for all my backpacking trips, and I am planning on using it on the AT in 2019
Like anything else, it's about finding the balance that works for you. Water bladder vs bottles, full tent vs tarp, cook vs no-cook, etc.
Something I really like is a sewn in CONTOURED TOP FLAP with a one buckle front closure. No brain, just the flap and draw string closure for the one compartment. That's the perfect, efficient, top of pack closure for me. Few packs have it.
Hi. I'm on older small woman and while on the TA in NZ my cuben pack ...... that was old and had already seen a bunch of use fell apart...it was also a discontinued design. I bought the lightest pack I could find there that was an osprey and a pound or so heavier. I really liked its functionality and ease of getting into it but that much weight difference on my small frame was really noticeable for the long haul. I now have a small gossamer gear pack but thinking on a diy project. I've also liked the idea of something vest style for the pockets and added support.... wondered if it would get hot. I'm also designing my clothing with lots of pockets with really light fabrics to offset what's on my back to carrying smaller items in pockets.....
I have a UD fastpack 35 and it makes things so much easier with less stopping. And when I do run the pack is so stable on my back with no bouncing.
Finally someone that precise the big importance of ultra-fonction in the ultra-light packing ! Thanks !
The bottom pocket on the palante is brilliant. I wish UD would implement something like that. I have the older fast pack twenty and use it for all kinds of stuff. Excited to see companies like UD pushing innovation into this market.
Honestly love your realistic gear reviews
Appalachian Ultralight has a pack that is like your Ultimate Direction pack. Its called the Day Tripper. At first I was pretty interested in it, but then I had concerns about the zipper. If that failed while hiking your gear would just fall out all over the trail. I also like have more storage up front so you don't need to take your pack off and stop. This is why I still use a hip belt, for the added pockets.
Thats awesome. I have the UD 20L and have used it for about two years for all my through hiking and shorter overnight trips. Its bigger than the 15 and has stood up well enough! Bladder compartment doesn't work great if the bag is full of stuff, and theres a lot I wish I could have upgraded in a remake version. And its heavy. The 15 looks more functional!
The thing I have typically found most frustrating about packs is the absence of a water bottle pocket on the strap. I used to improvise with two shock cords in the daisy chain to keep a 20 oz gatorade bottle. That worked pretty well but required two hands. Now I use an MLD Prophet with their bottle bag; better but wobbles around a bit. I have yet to meet a side pocket that was truly accessible while walking without having to twist my arm around in uncomfortable ways, especially when putting the bottle back in.
Stu Minnis I like the design of the gregory balto right water bottle pocket. I could reach back and the bottle would be tipped forward making it real handy to grab the water bottle. More companies ought to design something like that. It also could be uses like a normal pocket when tucked back into the bag. Something to think about, but unfortionately those bags are way to heavy to enjoy.
I agree. I have a few packs that are like that. almost impossible to get bottles back in. I think the Palante does excellent with that though. the pocket is lose enough, but still holds a bottle from wobblin.
When companies use a tight mesh and/or make the pocket too deep that it becomes extremely difficult.
I'm getting the Palante. I am hoping there will be a slight discount on it, the $220 is a good deal, but with all of the gear to get, it's still a little high for me right now. I want to do the John Muir Trail.
So when I was using my Gregory Zulu I could never get my bottles back in. I could get them out but not in. So I got two of the water bottle clips and put them on two smart water bottles and I would tuck them onto the hip belt. So it would ride just behind the hip belt pocket and the clip was in between me and the hip belt. I loved that system but it did wear the hip belt and the bottles did squeak sometimes. After that I went to the gossamer gear kumo 36 and I like that pack quite a bit but I still have a hard time getting the bottles back in the side pocket sometimes. Maybe once it gets more use it will stretch out and be easier with 2 one liter smart water bottles in it. I’ve been using the two shoulder mesh pockets with small water bottles and like that but then it kinda defeats having easy access to phone, camera, etc. so I’m thinking of getting a nice fanny pack for small stuff and food access. Any recommendations on a fanny pack that is light, comfy, preferably pretty water resistant?
Nathan Rieck Water bottles in shoulder straps is counter intuitive to physics of human body anatomy. Why do people not understand that carrying up to 2.2 lbs on each shoulder strap, this high on the body, thus pulling you forward is totally AFU. Agree with small fanny pack! Very ideal as it is at waist level and at center of gravity.
Functionality outweighs weight for me, but weight is a detail that applies to functionality. It’s possible to have both lightweight and functional without giving up comfort. I recently switched packs because I’d been searching for a pack roughly one size with strap storage instead of a hip belt with pockets. For me it was about identifying what I didn’t love about my original, making a list of what would make it perfect, and searching until I found something that met that wish list. I would have bought the pack (which happens to be the Simple Pack) even if it weighed twice what it does, as it has every detail of my functional-wish-list.
If you could map life in 3 dimensions, it would be helical. Things have a way of going full circle but new technology takes us towards different paradigm. Packs are evolving and will become more functional but without adding any unhelpful weight. Great job on the video.
What can be improved? Figure out a way to include a large pizza inside the pack.
The Aarn packs have large pockets in the front which help balance the load,really comfortable,love mine. They also make packs for ultra runners with front pockets for bottles and snacks. Check them out Neemor very innovative !
Great point on efficiency vice weight. I literally found your video after having just come back from shooting a video on efficiency, which is a theme eluded to but not often delved into by vloggers. You’re way out of my league when it comes to efficiency, and weight, but in the prep for the start of my AT thru-hike in Feb I have found this to be a more useful way to think about the gear we choose and practices we implement. Seriously enjoyed this video and I hope you continue to look at hyper-efficient, vice hyper-light, gear and techniques. Cheers, Scars.
Hey Nemor, love the design ideas of packs borrowing functionality ideas from trail runners. One thing I often do is use my hipbelt pockets off of my zpacks bag and clip them on a belt string for day trips and summiting peaks from base camps. I am not always through hiking but often exploring peaks from a base camp. I see no need to bring an extra fanny pack when I have great pouches I could use already. I also attach bear spray holster on this string as I live in Canada right off the GDT and interior BC and it is prime grizz country. Thanks for the video love the creativity and hiking evolution. Keep up the stoke and keep it wild :)
This is an interesting discussion, and, after investing thousands to attain an ultralight setup, I've realized both functionality and, more importantly, comfort are a necessity. I've found that I plan my kit based on what I expect to get out of the trip I'm accomplishing. I have three different base weights (SUL, UL, and lightweight) for multiple different purposes. And my favorite pack happens to be my lightweight pack (Osprey Exos 48) because of the features and excessively comfortable frame it offers. Though I do wish that I would have gotten it in the 38 liter size since the extra 10 liters of volume is unnecessary
I bought my first UL pack (GG Mariposa) for functionality more than low weight. The side pocket where I can reach the water bottle without stopping and the large mesh pocket found on most UL packs are great. Most "standard" packs have tiny pockets (if any) where you have to cram your stuff in.
KOSS, good philosophy. I like a simple are a string top with a flap or top compartment.
If that pack has a little serving loop at the bottom o the zipper you can put a zip tie through the zipper pull and the loop and fasten it . Not a 100% but it stops simple opening.
I too have started dabbling in trail running and hoping to do some multi day runs. The fastpack 15 has definitely caught my eye. Love my simple pack but I've tried running with it and the bounce kills it for me. Been using the AK Mountain Vest and that thing is sick.
In my experience, when things start to get lighter and lighter, quality eventually takes a nosedive. On the other paw, the gear I once would have chosen, is not the gear I would choose now. In the end, it has to be about what works for you (as you said). I would always choose to have a stove, the extra weight is worth it to me. Regardless, I think the gear we choose needs to be, above all, reliable. jmo
+Kate Long I agree about weight sacrificing durability. Especially with packs. There are cuben packs on the market that are super light, but they might not last a thru-hike (depending on how rough you are with it) but to me, the extra weight of cordura is worth it because I know it won't rip on me and when I'm done with it I can pass it on to someone else who needs a pack.
You also make a good second point there, what I would have taken is a lot different than now. especially with sleeping pads. I used to see the thinner closed cell foam and say I could never get sleep use it. But after you try one, you start to get a better feel for what you're willing to use. I think it's all relative to what one has tried and is willing to try. Then you find a happy place after you have experience with both sides.
I recently got the UD fastpack 35 and am seriously considering using it to finish hiking the 1000 miles i have left on the AT this Summer, have done several day hikes with it so far with around 14 pounds and it rides great even during my trail running.
Awesome! They are such sweet packs!
I think that for packs and other gear to get better especially in the ultralight market it will require more competition in the ultralight gear world. More people actually sewing up their ideas for new packs and shelters and not be afraid of stepping on another companies design a little bit to add their few additions or improvements to make current and new pack companies innovate more.
Most people would think of using someone elses idea as their own as a bad thing, but I guess it would keep pushing innovation and variety. You make a good point there.
Six Moon Designs also has a 30 and 40 liter pack with front vest and removable hip belt, roll top however and no large mash pocket on back
Your little captions have me in stitches😂And yes, I'm all about functionality. I think the biggest thing you said that resonated with me was, "If it makes sense to me." I think that's what matters. What makes sense to you? What brings you the most joy when hiking? I think that's what matters most at the end of the day. I do cut my toothbrush though😂
+Wild Gathering I cut my tooth brush in normal life too. If I can't fit my tooth brush in my pocket I might forget it 🤷🏼♀️
I'm currently designing my own pack and have been searching systematically for fresh ideas. But most patents and innovations are far too complex and heavy for UL use - there's surprisingly little of interest out there. A lot of what really matters is the nitty-gritty design detail. But I feel that there are two innovations that really do add value.
For SUL trips I'd agree that the vest design has a lot going for it, giving you a good deal of accessible storage. But carrying very light loads isn't really the most interesting problem.
I often need to carry warm and stormworthy gear and up to 10 days of food. Once loads exceed 15 lbs or so, much the most interesting innovation I've found is the Aarn bodypack concept, where the load on your back is counterbalanced by front pockets that transfer their load onto the hipbelt. I own one of Aarn's packs and under load the difference is spectacular. Your center of gravity is unaffected, so you retain your natural gait. This makes a huge difference to fatigue over a long day compared to the forward lean of a conventional pack. And there is literally no strain on your neck and shoulders, leading to a pain-free experience after weeks on the trail. Aarn works with a well respected ergonomics lab and my subjective experience is backed up by hard research - this is a much more efficient and healthy way to carry weight. Plus everything you need on the move is instantly accessible in the front pockets - food, water, phone, map and compass, emergency beacon, first aid, gloves, headgear, torch... I've had stormy days where I've walked for 10 hours without needing to take off my pack.
But while I love the concept, I'm less impressed by his detailed implementation. He tends to over-engineer, with all kinds of additional bells and whistles that add complexity, weight and failure points for only marginal benefits. Plus there are some significant irritants that I think can be solved with better design. So my next project is to develop my own version.
Uptake has been limited outside of a small group of enthusiasts. It looks a bit goofy and takes some effort to master. And in my experience the UL community can be slow to pick up on radical designs that offer better functionality at the cost of a little more weight - the Pacer Pole is another example. But I encourage you to check out the bodypack concept, particularly if you experience discomfort with conventional packs.
It's a formula that calculates how to maximize functionality while minimizing weight. You almost need to chart it out sometimes to pick the right gear option for the given situation. I find that there is always a compromise because you'll never have the lightest AND most functional gear every time.
I think the reason why the UL community is so enthralled by the simple (other than it having the pedigree that it has) is because it's a great example of a very good functional addition. If the only thing that people really cared about was JUST weight, that pack wouldn't have any mesh on the bottom because that is more weight (albeit not very much). I think that function will gradually become more important as diminishing returns start setting in.
Shoulder strap pockets for snacks, water & phone/camera are key. The Simple Pack's bottom pocket is a great idea too. Not sure why race vest companies aren't succeeding in ultralight pack world or why more cottage industry pack companies don't take more inspiration from race vests. And also, UL clothing that omit pockets to save weight... if having pockets helps me keep my pack on and keep moving, that's worth it.
yeah, I was surprised that I hadn't heard of Ultimate Direction until I started getting into running.
we need all the pockets :D
I think functionality is super important.
But still, it have to be at a decent weight.
If a backpack weigh in at 6-8 lbs or even more empty, I dont care how functional it is.
But for sure, going from 10 to 15-20 oz and gain easier acces, more carrying comfort, and other improvements in funtionality, it is worth a few extra ounces or even an extra pound or more.
To your comment in another video about companies making shoes in more subtle colors, I'd love that UD pack a lot more if it didn't have their name in giant letters on the back.
Good, interesting idea about convenience and streamlining as a way to take UL even further. UL is not solely about the weight, it's about simplification (mentally and physically) and being able to enjoy what you're out there for (less pain, less time messing with gear). Very worthwhile for people to truly evaluate what they're looking for when they go out and what they can do with their gear to optimize for that, not simply weight.
+jtnt yeah. I don't really understand when brands plaster their branding everywhere. I like the minimal branding on the Palante a lot.
A pack should be recognizable for the design, not a giant logo.
Thanks bud...great review!...im using a DIY modified RIBZ PACK attached to a ULA backpack
Superior Wilderness Designs has a pack just like the Palante. Not sure, but I think they've been around a little longer too.
Yes, prancing in the meadows. 🙊❤️ a hiker’s favorite.
Functionality. After my AT thru hike I started with a 65lb pack but cut weight to my desire feel to 30 lbs its created that balance. As a past caddy before i feel and get both lightness and complete functionality
I have a Salomon S Lab 2 for hot day running and marathon training, I also have a Salomon adv 5 when I need extra water and gear but not camping overnight and I love both of these packs because there’s very little bounce and it’s like wearing a second skin because the material is so flexible. My local running store is bringing in a UD fast pack 15 for me to try instead of the Salomon 15L (mainly because I want to get in some miles on way back from work which means carrying my work clothes/shoes and laptop with me). The one thing I’ve noticed with the UD fast pack is instead of the webbing from the shoulders going all the way to the pack it has straps instead. Do you get any rubbing on those long treks from bottom section of those straps on your sides?
why choose? both. my idea of ultralight is 8lbs though :D . besides the best benefit of ultralight is i can bring an 18 inch spinning rod/reel that extends to 6'10 for a 1 lb penalty
What is travel backpacking?
Have you tried the harness system on the six moon design packs? They have 3 points of contact like a vest/backpack hybrid. Thinking of the FKT40 L www.sixmoondesigns.com/collections/backpacks/products/flight-40-fkt
I have an older model similar to this one (2015 model) and know I can strap it down and run in it if needed with no bounce.. The side pockets could be easier to get into but it's a move towards this style. Not saying it's a perfect pack, just saying it's out there. :)
thank you for the video, my first pack was a monster an allice pack large , they tell me an 80 liter is over kill, but it rides ever so nice, makes my allice feel like a tank, I can only dream of how one can fly as some get down to as I hear pack weight of 12 lb and some as low as 6 lb plus food and fuel, I try and my meds weight that lol
I wonder if the math was done on how much time/energy is saved by having functionality, it might show that it's relatively small vs the amount of energy saved by having something that's lighter in weight (because of the constant energy savings all day long). When I hike, I find that by far the most time is spent 1) walking and needing to access nothing at all 2) drinking water 3) eating a snack. So, if an ultralight pack can just give access to snacks and water, any other functionality gained, to me, would seem to have minimal impact. But if losing functionality to save 1 gram wouldn't be worth it. So, it's a formula. It's not just one or the other.
One more question please why isn't it called Thru Backpacking? I just ordered my first UL backpack the 3f ul backpack gray color and I also bought a Jack R Better High Sierra Sniveller 0 degree Quilt...this is a wonderful product...p.s. I also bought a American made Tumpline from Patagonia to use with my backpack...there is a learning curve but they say using a Tumpline is the future of Ultralight backpacking...Yvon Chouinard highly recommends using a Tumpline with any backpack weight...UL traditional and Expedition loads. . .
I’m not sure why it’s not called thru-backpacking.
Cool. Let me know your thoughts after a hiking season of use 👌🏻
My Palate is my fav pack .. the more I use it the more I appreciate it :)
Amazing video that shows weight is important but functionality should be a high priority also. Don't give up functionality of an item, remember it has a job to do, like Neemor said if it does its job well and weighs a few ounces more, then it's well worth the trade off.
on the AT in 2015 I cut out all my pockets in my rain jacket and pants but the entire rest of the trip I regretted that decision.
Hi Neemor,
Enjoying your channel thoroughly.
I'm hoping for a suggestion, as I have struggled to find this specific information online.
I'm tossing up between an MLD Burn and the Pa'lante Simple for a great light weight pack, however, I broke my collarbone earlier in the year so am mindful of strap comfort/ distribution. Can you provide any insight into what you might recommend?
Cheers!
Hey Millie!
Thanks for watching. I haven't tried the MLD Burn yet, but one thing I can say is that my Palante simple v1 has some of the most comfortable shoulder straps I've worn. they're much thicker than the shoulder straps on my Kumo and granite gear pack. I think both the MLD and Palante offer a hip-belt as an option now, so that might also help keeping the weight off your shoulder.
I hope the collarbone heals up!
Neemor's World Appreciate the response. All the best!
Thanks for the great info Neemor--have you checked out the UD PB adventure vest? It's 16L, but might still work for small trips bc it has large stretchy side pockets that hug the ribs. Just wanted to know your thoughts. Cheers.
As long as the weight is comfortable to carry over distance i dont care how much it weighs and prefer functionality over reduced weight.
Functionality and accessibility yes i would sacrifice a little weight for that!
Good morning, Née. What brand of water bottles are you using in the trail running vest. Thanks a lot for the vids! John
+eodnavigator i got a few of the 500 soft body bottles from Ultimate direction. I like them a lot although they can't fit a filter.
Dude, I’ve been intrigued with UD trail/running vest packs. What would you recommend as a good overall trail running/day hike pack? Is the TO Race pack your preference?
I like the TO vest for running a lot. It has enough storage to fit everything for a long day run but I haven't used it hiking. For hiking I usually carry my fastpack 15 because it can fit my larger camera and gimbal in the back pocket.
Link to the background music? Can't find it anywhere and it's a tuuuune
isn't it sweet? I started using Soundstripe for music licensing. app.soundstripe.com/songs/4145
on the GDT looked like you had an Fujifilm X100. Do you still use it? Do you find it worth the extra weight?
I ended up selling it because I needed the cash, but as for extra weight, I think cameras are always worth it! the x100 was pretty light considering the quality.
now I carry my GH5.
Had water up front since my Dash 30 and feels lighter carrying because of layout
I just looked it up, that looks like a sweet pack.
Have any video of this prancing? 😍
of course. ruclips.net/video/_MLSlHPyuXM/видео.htmlm55s
Wonderful. Love it. Damn but you are adorable. Hike on.
Any thoughts on Pa’lante Joey?
The Joey is pretty sweet. I work with Pa’lante now, so I’ve been able to watch them finalize the pack and it’s definitely very versatile.
Do you have updated thoughts on the UD FP15?
Nothin in particular. The shoulder straps could be a little more comfortable, but I still use it quite often.
Neemor's World I have it. Was surprised how narrow it was, I guess depth wise. I was looking for a larger pack than my older UD FP 30 and just picked up the ULA Fastpack. It’s a little heavy but it’s massive. Would love your thoughts on it.
Are those the Cnoc Vertex trekking poles?
+Andrew Uy they are. Good eye.
Neemor's World been using it too. Planning to start vlogging as well thanks to you. :)
Andrew Uy nice! I subscribed and I look forward to seeing what you come up with!
Neemor's World thank you. :)
Hold up, you did the Great Divide Trail? Is it on RUclips? I just did a quick check and didn't see it on this channel.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think he was in the process of doing it with John Zahorian and for whatever reason (I don't know) he decided to not continue ?
Yup, I hiked about the first 1/3 of the trail with John.
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Neemor's World what happened I was really bummed when I saw you get off the trail but I don’t blame you the CDT looks pretty damn scary to me and you can get lost super easy but you’re a pro so it must’ve been something else
+Hike with mike Thorne lol. Everyone makes it seem like we are being vague about why, but the truth is in the video.
I left the east coast spontaneously to spend time with John. After a few weeks we stopped agreeing on things, so I went back to the east to hike the LT.
The GDT was never in my plan, but spending time with John was, so I joined him for a bit.
The GDT does require more navigation than any trail I had hiked before that, but it wasn't as bad as the internet made it out to be. With maps and the app we never really had any doubts of where to go.
I don't know if I'll ever go back and re-hike the GDT, but I'd definitely like to go back and spend time in that area.
P.s. John and I are still friends 😄 haha.
YOU are on point! shoulder straps are seriously under utilized! Outdoor pack makers need to watch Inspector Gadget ;0 but seriously access while keeping the pack on should be priority no. 1.
I've been spending way too much money on packs. I think I own 10 or more.... everything from ultrilight to waterproof and many in between. While I have been conceiving scenarios for thru hikes, section and day hikes I'm still kinda frustrated. My killer pack is a 35L Klymit Dash. It was a custom pack that Klymit made for a re-seller that specializes in reselling. As for your form over function... I think there is a third variable Cost. Consider the frogg toggs equation. Cheap enough to abuse and replace; for the price of a RAB you could replace the frogg togg every 300 miles -ish.
I think the mantra you should consider is... everything you need while you are moving should be accessible and so the velcro, rolltop, clip should never actually be an issue. I learned this lesson last summer when I was attacked by a swarm of mosquitoes and both my spray and net has slid to the bottom of my pack's main compartment. My DASH has 2 shoulder strap pockets and one sipper. I wear pants or shorts with plenty of pockets to distribute my day gear and I use my shoulder straps for my water bottles. The pack uses a klymit air frame and weighs less than 1 pound.
I think you've missed something else that might be more important... bigger people need bigger gear to which I say the actual "ultralight" number is somewhat relative. And that means that a packs ability to carry a certain weight is important but also the comfort as the pack adjusts to some equilibrium. Some of my packs simply do not right in the right position. The vest or vest with a fanny pack seems like a good idea. Consider that the military has a harness and fannypack configuration that seems to work.
I think Cost matters a lot. but I also think the boxes of UL, Efficient, Affordable, Comfortable and Durable should all be able to be ticked on every piece of gear in a pack list. maybe we aren't there yet, but there's no good excuse why we can't be. there will always be "premium" stuff that breaks the bank, and hot trendy materials, but overall I think good gear will continue to get cheaper. It's like what Chris said in a comment bellow. If a new company comes a long and they're are able to provide premium backpacking stuffs for a couple bucks it will drive everyone elses prices down. or at least fill that need in the market.
I totally agree on that last point. Smaller people need smaller gear. I always joke with people because with all my gear I am lighter than most people naked :D haha which makes your comment about UL being relative make a lot of sense. but I also think the term "ultralight" is a comparison game which often ends up with someone saying "I'm better you" in some way or another..which is kind of sad.
Relative for sure... then its the amount of calories bigger people need to consume...ect
I am far away in the middle of Europe, but my knowledge is, that Pa'lante gave at least two prototypes of vest-style packs to some crazy runners for their FKT attempts on the AT. One of them did set the new FKT. Sometimes I think Pa'lante has the same marketing strategy like Apple or Rolex with certain models. All bigger companies like Salomon or Ultimate Direction do this kind of vest-style bags. But they are made to appeal as big crowds as possible so they are not really useful for fast hiking. Too much clutter, too small, flex bottles which are difficult to handle alone. Or much too trashy like the Salomon Peak 30. I am not religious but Pa'lante makes me wana pray...
yeah, I was at their place when they finished stringbeans pack and it was pretty sweet. I'm not sure their plans with that line, but I hope they become available!
also, I think before there was a hiking and a running crowd, but now it seems like there are a lot more hikers willing to take less and wanting to hike at a faster pace, which the larger number of hikers should get companies like UD interested.
what do you mean about them having the same strategy as apple or rolex?
Your vest concept taken to the next level is a weight balanced setup consisting of a back pack with chest rigging. From a functionality/accessibility perspective why not look to the military type chest rigs for ideas, lightened up a bit of course? Over the last two decades thousands of soldiers have tinkered and refined to personalize and perfect their load carrying gear. Everything a soldier needs immediately is carried on their chest and belt. It is fair to say that the systems they have developed have been tested in the most extreme conditions and for more miles than all of Americas thruhikers might expect to log in the next 100 years. There are probably a few good ideas to be harvested from those systems.
Whatcha doin' with those pine cones?
ya know, just pine cone stuff.
Like crafts, or using the pine nuts for hikers pesto? Seriously though, really enjoy your videos, hope there are plenty more to come. Have a great new year Neemor.- Doug
ULA did a runner style pack. It's a tad heavier than I would like. But a step in the right direction!
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Northern Voyageur interesting, I hadn't seen that one. What did you think of the volume? It looks like it would be pretty easy to either: 1. Over fill (weight wise) because of the larger capacity, or 2. Have it be kind of floppy when your gear is in it.
I like the front storage on that pack though, looks like you can get a lot of gear/snacks up front.
Neemor's World its not bad. It has a couple snug straps on the side so you can tension the pack in snugly.
It doesn't seem to move around whatsoever, fits just as snugly as my Ohm 2.0.
My only minor complaint is that ula makes them so robust that you gain a bit of weight for that durability. They also now seem to only use the heavier Robic, whereas my older ohm has some lighter material on the sides and front of the main compartment.
But not too big! Only a 25! litre main compartment, but it's round, so you are better off packing it a little loosely and snugging down the sides to make it ride closely to you body.
I will have to make a video of packing it!
But a neat albeit not perfect step in that direction.
functionality for sure over weight
Wise-light is way better than stupid-light
Pine cones? 😂
+Carter Newcomb ya never know what treasurers you'll find.
Neemor's World Hehe all kinds of goodies out there!
I did a three day, two night hike on the Olympic Coast this season. I must have picked up at least one to two pounds of colored rocks for my daughters. The entire time I kept thinking about the extra weight but couldn't make myself stop because I new how excited my girls would be when I got home.
Gary Bolen haha yea I remember really liking rocks when I was younger. I still do!