It already requires login bruhh. For everything realted to rewards n stuff. But for gaming and settings adjustment only, it works fine. I don't think this arrangement will change anytime soon.
@@AndrewB23 I did that, and the login had still expired the next time I came to update my drivers, requiring me to log in again. Just unnecessary friction.
@@AndrewB23 there is no reason for you to log in to an app you use locally in your own desktop PC, how old are you? it seems young people got used to not own anything nowadays
remember that the GeForce experience was also without a log in / mandatory account, in the beginning. I expect that the Nvidia App will have mandatory account / Log in, 6 to 12 Months down the line.
I think it's a big mistake to remove the AF and Anti Aliasing overrides. You would sometimes get games with no AF and AA options and would use the control panel to enable them. Other times the driver forced AF would look much better than the ingame one.
I am not criticizing you because that is of course your experience , but I personally have never played a game that does not have anti-aliasing. Which games have you played that do not offer those features if I may ask?
@@emiel255 First ones to come to mind are Dead Space 2008 and Alien Isolation. There were many more over the years of course, but I cant recall at the moment. A lot of games had terrible AA so forcing it through drivers improved image quality drastically. I dont play any current games, but having that option is a must if you play anything before this DLSS craze we are in right now
Now try using this app offline. For me, my gaming computer doesn't always have an internet connection. If I try to open the app. Doesn't even show me the games I have. Let alone change any setting. This is unacceptable. So I need an always On connection to be able to change settings on app. The control panel still WAY better. I am currently updating to the latest drivers and app. See how that goes. But so far, as much as I hated the old GeForce experience program. At least that one still worked once it was set up and I had to be offline. While the app won't even let me see the settings for stuff I had for months on the PC and had previously altered. Update: Finish installing all latest. If open the program without internet the "Program Settings" now show the games and applications. But when clicking the "Global Setting" tab, it's blank, well very dark gray, with an exclamation icon. And no settings shown.
Hopefully they don't get rid of some of the driver level settings like anisotropic filtering and Anti-aliasing overrides because I play a lot of older games that don't have options like texture filtering options so I end up using the NVIDIA control to force 8X MSAA and 16X anisotropic filtering in those older games.
@@chrisfratz Profile Inspector is basically just the same as the "Manage 3D Settings" menus in Nivida Control Panel, but with the options broken down into more subgroups. But yeah I 100% agree with your main point about the importance of them retaining all of these settings and features, they are indeed very useful for older games in particular.
What nobody is seeing, this is again a honeytrap move by Nvidia. See, currently still a significant number of Nvidia GPU owners do not use GEForce Experience, we rely solely on the crumy old Control Panel. Why? Two factors : 1. We are not using any GEFX exclusive feature anyway (RTSS Overlay + OBS Buffering FTW). 2. NVCleanstall. One the Nvidia "App" become too prominent, they will kill the Control Panel for good, leaving NVCleanstall users in the dust. NVC is a GODSEND for anyone who does not wants to deal with the headache of Nvidia telemetry and background process crap that follows the stock installer.
@@roller4312 What does that even mean? You can literally take screenshots of ANY application without ANY extra software, in ANY operating system made the past 15+ years.
Likewise, i only use the control panel after i nvcleaninstall my drivers. That bloat is gross and it certainly will not be less in the future to come. I stay with control panel / profile inspector as long as i can.
It's not a conspiracy. Nvidia has already said they *will* be *removing* the nvidia control panel. It's *going away* and if you wanna play modern games eventually you're gonna have to live without it.
@@GugureSux that's not how it works, i assume you mean printscreen, nor did use it much. What it does is capture the content of the screen buffer to memory. And there are 2 problems with this, the user has to save the content to disk manually, and secondly it doesn't even work if printscreen is denied or hindered access. ( overlays do that). There is a reason FRAPS was hugely popular, despite being hugely wonky, and there is still no alternative but GFE.
Both Geforce Experience 3.28 and the Nvidia App have some changes in them that break the overlay or cause it to stop hooking into games like BF2042 if you alt-tab a few times making the use of the application for recording not possible. Only current "solution" is to go back to version 3.27 of Geforce Experience. Nvidia seem to be aware of the issue but I guess decided to full release instead of fixing it before.
I like that the control panel has several tabs for similar yet distinct features. If it were just one tab with infinite scrolling, I believe that would be even more inefficient than what we currently have.
@@xRamada I'm Cuban and to use the App I have to share my phone's internet(shitty and expensive, btw) and use a VPN, offline functionality would be good.
I had a bad feeling right before I clicked "optimize" on mine. It never asked me what to optimize FOR. Sure enough, my 120fps dropped to around 70. No love from nvidia for gamers who like high fps. 60 is good enough -per nvidia.
@@apersonontheinternet8006 meanwhile Hardware Unboxed : explaining why this change is highly important, very necessary and meaningful. You keep using your control panel from 1998 (with outdated design and menu changes taking 10 seconds in the fastest CPU in the world) , the rest of the world is ready to move on, 10 years after AMD users had been there & done that.
What a weird way of putting it considering amd's app is a copy of nvidia, (copied shadowplay) nor were there any issues with the control panel tbh. The best thing about the new app is that it doesn't require login.. for the basic things at least.
control panel is ugly but functional. I've used it for years and I always managed to do everything, I used geforce experience just for recordings. AMD's radeon software is nicer but for the whole time I used it (until last month) it occasionally had some issues, for example AFMF that periodically activates itself on some games or some translation errors in my language (Italian) in the interface, plus it has never been really smooth in my experience. This Nvidia App does what it has to do by improving the graphics part and honestly I open it once every 10 years so I don't care much, the only lack that is felt is an integrated tool for overclocking / undervolting.
You didn't really expect software to be finished on release? That hasn't been a thing since we all used physical media for software. It's release now, finish later these days.
@@ttc0419 maybe open your control panel and see if its replaced? lol The NVCP is still the same thing. It's only the GFExperience UI that changed. There's also the fact that the NVIDIA App Overlay has the exact same bugs as the GFE one, the exact same options in the exact same tabs, the exact same shortcuts, etc.
As a UX/UI designer I don't get how more companies arent finally awakening from the coma that they know better than the customer how to use their product. You build features becasue your customer needs it, or believe they need it. You scrap features they don't want/need. Spend some budget on proper usability testing and your product will be not only user friendly, but better performant and looking better as well. "Noooo..." said the big companies, "We want our vision to be pushed to the audience. There is no competition and all the features are there". I mean, come on! Interfaces need to enhance your capabilities, like a musical instrument. They shouldn't weigh down on your mental and phyisical being.
Gonna push back slightly on this. I feel that some (maybe a lot) of you UX guys get caught up in 'cool' over function. I don't want a bunch of tabs organized the way you think makes sense with a snazzy color pallet and some really nifty animations. I just want a *@&^#$% list of my options. Just a list. With very obvious (i.e. 'technical') verbiage. I don't want 76 different themes, the ability to undock tabs, embedded frames that are playing animations or god forbid, videos. I don't want cutesy names and layers between me and the setting. I am old, I know it. For my games and social media and everything else, I couldn't care less. For technical things like this, I do NOT want 'modern UI', I just want all my options in a very straightforward and simple manner. I get it, you guys are designing for the least common denominator. And I have to concede that as technology advances, the lowest common denominator becomes more obfuscated from the actual underlying tech. Just giving my rant where ever I can lol. And get off my lawn while you are at it.
@@jasonOfTheHills I’m with you on this. I wish gaming, especially on the PC, would go back to obscurity so that the lowest common denominator would have a 10 point IQ jump on the average user today. Look at these comments saying “Only took nVidia 10 years for a UI” as if their Adrenaline UI made their AMD cards the best in the business (they didn’t).
Not an Apple fan I take it and if you are it's time to rethink that take. Sometimes companies do seem oblivious to their users wants or needs but the company makes the product and they often do know better. Also, not all users want the same things and the number of users who want something and the number of users who talk about it are never the same so the taking things out part may not be a great idea if it does not come with other factors like high cost.
@@jasonOfTheHills Well you just unintentionally agreed with him. You said "I feel that some (maybe a lot) of you UX guys get caught up in 'cool' over function". But the whole point of UX designer is to makes things simpler and familiar to users on the UI level. If UX designers do things no one like, it means they are just plain bad UX designers because they didn't think about how users would use their app.
This change has only one goal. To stop users form using NvClean installer app. No more Nv control panel means this could be a problem for many user who use old GPU GTX 1060 and more ? Will NvClean work after this change ?
Im old fashion I love the control panel UI since there's nothing fancy about it. Gonna miss when every single program was made that way but I'm not exactly gonna miss it either being a designer myself
As someone who uses the control panel 3-4 times a year I can tell you that whatever time the nvidia app saves will cost me more time in me having to look for the setting and to check if it's in the app yet or not. Also, I hate modern interfaces with a passion because they often replace old ones with something worse that looks more pleasing to a modern audience and while this mostly does not seem to be the case with the nvidia app I still won't bother with it until it has all the settings in it for the reason mentioned above.
Empty space... so much wasted, empty space, pointless scrolling and submenus. We moved from 16" screens to 32" with twice the pixel density, and yet somehow "modern" interfaces will show _less_ because they need to be "streamlined" and "clean" because otherwise they will "overwhelm" and "confuse" the user.
@@LishtenbirdTech Yep, I hate 'modern interface' design for the same reasons. Most egregiously is when they go for that unusable 'white white whie whitiw whithithiw whit white space everywhere!" design philosophy. No borders, no contrast between screen elements, just eye-burning white glare of 98% of the screen that does not allow your eyes to focus naturally on important 'sections' you need to interact with. And always, no way to see sizing bars without helplessly 'waving your mouse' in the area you think a grab-scroll bar *might* be. And hope to hell you land on the 1-pixel wide grab-bar in order to resize a sub-window to see everything properly. Good luck to any user who isn't a teenager from South Korea with dexterity and hand-eye coordination to spare. All for the sake of this ridiculous "clean modern interface" that cannot be liked, or used, effectively by any normal human being. Thankfully this new Nvidia App avoids the 'white space' issue, and isn't the worst example of the 'clean modern' interface I've seen. But it still isn't as useful or screen-space efficient as it could be.
"Modern Audience" aka People that don't know any better and that are easily manipulated into swallowing basic rights violations and standard UI practices.
Same here "It looks like a modern app" is usually a huge red flag for me. The word app says it all, it's designed for smartphone users in mind, most of "modern" UI just looks good but is annoying to use on anything other than a tiny smartphone screen.
@@mkaleborn My favorite example of a practical UI is Bulk Rename Utility - which, incidentally, once got lambasted by one of "modern" UI designers. It places 90% of its functionality onto one single screen: a folder tree, a detailed file list, and about a dozen groups of fields, dropdowns, and toggles. With this, you know exactly what's happening and in which order, any modification you need is right there as long as you just read the labels, it's asymmetric so you'll quickly learn and remember where everything is, and... it fits all that perfectly fine on a modern 4K screen.
I've heard about some issues from other users a while ago that just having the Nvidia App running in the background significantly tanked performance in game (around 10% less fps). Also users reported a bug with RTX HDR that when you turn it ON you naturally lose performance (which isnt the main issue) but when you turn it OFF again you dont gain back the lost performance, so something was bugged and the only solution was to full uninstall the app and drivers and do a fresh driver install to get back to your original FPS. Could you investigate if these issues have been fixed with the 1.0 release? Could you also do a video with multiple games and different resolutions tested on how much performance it costs to turn on RTX HDR?
Indeed I totally lost performance when I installed this app. Hardware unboxed should have reviewed this first instead of directly promoting it. I have huge performance losses using a 4090 and 7800X3D. Sometimes even after a gaming session I have a process running that is pushing my cpu to hight temps even at idle. Killing it solves this. This is a resource intensive program that this app introduced. So far, my experience has been terrible.
@@bschalker Iam having a huge issue with performance now after installing this app. These are my rig specs. What can i do to get my performance back? NVIDIA system information report created on: 11/18/2024 16:55:01 NVIDIA app version: 11.0.1.163 Operating system: Microsoft Windows 11 Home, Version 10.0.22631 DirectX runtime version: DirectX 12 Driver: Game Ready Driver - 566.14 - Tue Nov 12, 2024 CPU: 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700HX RAM: 32.0 GB Storage: SSD - 953.9 GB Graphics card GPU processor: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop GPU Direct3D feature level: 12_1 CUDA cores: 3072 Graphics clock: 1890 MHz Max-Q technologies: Gen-5 Dynamic Boost: Yes WhisperMode: No Advanced Optimus: No Maximum graphics power: 140 W Memory data rate: 16.00 Gbps Memory interface: 128-bit Memory bandwidth: 256.032 GB/s Total available graphics memory: 24475 MB Dedicated video memory: 8188 MB GDDR6 System video memory: 0 MB Shared system memory: 16287 MB Video BIOS version: 95.07.26.00.1f IRQ: Not used Bus: PCI Express x8 Gen4 Device ID: 10DE 28E0 3B5317AA Part number: 3757 0110 Display (1): Laptop display Resolution: 2560 x 1600 (native) Refresh rate: 240 Hz Desktop color depth: Highest (32-bit) Display technology: G-SYNC
So we are now talking about the advantages only. Well it is faster, it will save around a minute for most end users. What I noticed is either no one is talking about shield settings which disappeared or I wasn't able to find it. In both cases it either locked up pretty deep or there is a design flaw. Other people mentioned most problems and nvidia trojan tactics. Thanks for the video.
I will miss the compact old school windows explorer layouts, so much easier on the eyes compared to the modern windows toggle icons with excessive empty spaces that were designed for touch screens.
Would not be surprised when they finish moving features and everyone is on the new app it will suddenly require to log in again. Hope I'm wrong but kinda expecting it actually.
Control panel wasn't designed in 2005 lmao, it was designed far earlier. An old family PC used a geforce 4 series card from 2003-ish and it has the exact same Nvidia settings app.
Your 2003 video card is using a newer driver. The control panel was last fully redesigned with Forceware 90 in 2006 and had some tweaks soon after to bring back the beloved tree view and tame the useless side panel. Original driver for your card had a small tabbed UI (way too many tabs) with a tree view hovering beside it in mid air.
@@SianaGearz I had a Geforce FX card in 2003 and it had many of the same UI elements as they're still used in the control panel today. I don't know for sure but I think it might date back to the introduction of the GeForce 256 in 1999. Prior to that most settings lived in the monitor/display adapter settings in Windows.
Yeah they no longer need a login, because when you install the "new" app, you agree to the Terms & Conditions which allows NVIDIA to collect your computers (and your own) data from the local OS.
my question is with the old legacy gui didn't it consumed less gpu resource vram and provided lesser overhead than this new app or its the same or better?
@@NotOftenPoliteGuy who gives a shit? They're doing the Microsoft Settings thing and creating a feature incomplete one they'll never get up to snuff with the 15 year old one.
The thing with the old CP GFX settings was half of them were for the old GTX cards and the other half are only useful if a game you play doesn’t have a specific in-game sitting like frame limiter or whatever. I just check the ‘use in-game settings’ box on the home page with the spinning logo and forget about CP altogether except for multi display settings and such.
So... No one is worried about this thing taking down more fps? These GPU utility programs never should have impact on FPS. But I can already feel this will take about 5~10% off from performance just from looks of it.
Then I will be glad to see your Benchmark results. Set up a proper test environment with proper savegames and use CapFrameX to record the benchmark data. Do three runs per game with old and new driver and see how they compare. SPOILER: performance will be the same....
Now that Nvidia has this app, it would be more interesting comparing AMD's app. AMD has had a great GPU management app for years and the new Nvidia app reminds me a lot of AMD's app.
It does still require login. To ensure "you" have accepted their EULA and removing your rights to privacy and recourse while protecting all of the rights of nVidia.
I just installed it, and while there was a login request I skipped it. Until a sitting (maybe standing) judge tells me that the EULA is all binding, my acceptance is non-binding.
I actually prefer the Advanced Statistics thing in Geforce Experience. It looked way nicer than whatever is in the Geforce App right now. The old advanced statistics works most of the time while the new one doesn't work most of the time.
Never used GFE, always stripped down the driver, all hardware encoding works fine in OBS/XSplit, no missing features (optional Ansel), no telemetry, no problems. The only thing I don't get is the OTA profile updates, which are hit or miss anyway. Used to be able to force them to download when checking for updates in the 2.x version of GFE, but since 3.x that feature was removed for unknown reasons, rendering the entire point of having GFE installed moot. Will keep using the classic control panel for as long as possible, regardless of how much anyone says this "app" is better. Even to the point they do gut it and block third party attempts to get it working, we still have NVIDIA Inspector anyway... For people who don't know much about tech, I guess this is a good thing?
I personally dont like the UI of Adrenalin either. The labeling is really confusing i often have to try out different tabs to find the one i wanted. Could also be the german translation that is just garbage @@mort996
@@izidorAnd Especially, Adrenaline always works. It never happened to me that when I clicked replay capture the app wasn't recording. With GeForce experience, 50% of the times it turned out that the app wasn't recording, for some reason.
What I don't understand is why do we need a specific Nvidia application for most of these settings. On Linux I have a single universal application for all my monitors in XFCE. VRR is controlled by the monitor setting on the monitor, etc. with almost everything there's a single place by the system that it controls it.
It seems really odd to see HW Unboxed omit (or at the very least gloss over) the myriad of completely broken features, as well as the completely ignored and highly documented existing bugs (like not being able to change which microphone you want to use for recording), but still come in with glowing praise for the Nvidia App.
I didn’t even know adrenaline is light years better till I read the comments with all the nvidia bugs 😂 maybe I’ll buy a nvidia card in the future when it’s all sorted
Nvidia didn't have much incentive to improve their software because 88% of people were buying their cards, regardless. That's still the case, but I suppose that they figured that they dragged their feet long enough.
The only isssue I’ve ever had with AMD is it occasionally not saving OC/UC profiles or the app not opening unless hot keyed while IN game. Outside of two things, it’s an amazing app. I haven’t owned an RTX card since 2020 and I was always curious as to why people complained about Adrenaline when it’s been amazing for me.
Also as a system builder this is much easier to make sure a customers unit is ready without having to download every update to a USB or directly to a computer every time a new driver launches.
Had Adrenaline and GeForce control panel on my laptop. AMD's app was so much nicer that I spent time tinkering with settings and then got sad that I realised that I might need to do the same in GeForce Experience 😢
AMD: Geforce experience, nvidia control panel and overclocking like afterburner all in one driver. Doesn't even need an account. It is generations ahead. Meanwhile Nvidia control panel still has little monitor icons with windows XP taskbar.
Would LOVE to see you guys explore some Linux benchmarks. AMD & NVIDIA drivers have gone open source, Valve/Proton enable most games on x86 Linux, and Valve/Proton are pursuing ARM translation as well. Tie in Windows users fed up with ads, being strong armed off Windows 10, and the coming MS Recall. Even if you only focused on a single Linux distro like Bazzite, PopOS, or Garuda, it would be cool to see comparisons first class next to Windows benchmarks.
Hope this won't be a forced requirement and Nvidia will still continue to support the old driver control panel. Geforce Experience cause all kind of stuttering issues in Elden Ring and the Nvidia App beta did the same, no thanks. The Nvidia control panel is fully functional, if it ain't broken don't fix it. Give us both options, let those who want the extra features of the Nvidia App use the App but the Nvidia control panel just works.
Doubt it, they will eventually kill it, or at least by dropping support it will naturally die in 5 years at most when new features are not available in it. For me the app is a step in the right direction, once it has all of the control panel features migrated there is literally no reason to keep using the old control panel besides nostalgia (except for some reason their App kills performance, I doubt it. Even then you could just close the app since the settings persist outside of it being open).
@@marcosrolando7987 Killing the Geforce experience or the App didn't work for me, not in the case for Elden Ring, even uninstalling the App didn't work. I had to do a clean reinstall of drivers for the game to play smoothly again. I've only briefly used the Nvidia App since it didn't really worked out for me but with Geforce experience whether you have the app running or not there were always extra Nvidia processes running in the background once you had it installed.
@@yewtewbstew547 It's not the smoothest game in the world and interacts poorly with different setups, you also need a lot of CPU power to mask the traversal data streaming that may appear as stutters on weaker setups but Geforce experience made things worse on my end. If they ever drop the Nvidia control panal, I just hope the Nvidia App will have matured enough by then.
@@ooringe378 I see, for me particularly clean drivers install without GeForce experiencie had 0 impact on Elden Ring, eventually DF confirmed the game had problems no matter what so I stopped looking into it. Never really had any problems related to GeForce experience personally, but I think if the just focus on the app it will eventually be "decent", even if on launch it does have problems
What kind of telemetry and user data gathering is in the app compared to control panel and geforce experience? Sucks this information is missing in the PSA
I was one of the users that refused to login. Every day, I have around 6 logins to do just to start up my day unless I decide to leave my computer on, which is a waste of electricity. Although it's probably paranoia, I don't save my passwords because I don't like the idea of them being recorded into a local file because that seems like a vulnerability. So I log in manually with every login, and I can't stand needing a login for things like playing a video game I've paid for or to use an app created for a computer component I own.
Losing GFE doesn't matter, since I never used or install that anyway. It's when they kill off the control panel and I'm basically forced to use GFE 2.0 is not a day I'm looking forward to. Also, looking at that speed comparison, the panel wasn't that bad and frankly I'm sure they could largely leave it as is but just speed it up if they wanted too. Besides, once things are set, how often does the average person even open the control panel again from one month to another. And on the subject of speed for the new app, at around the 7:16 you opened the settings specifically for Cyberpunk, then 7 seconds later, the actual settings show up, even on the high end hardware you said was used. Give it enough time, and it will just become a big, bloated mess, mostly used for data collection and marketing.
It already is a big bloat and telemetry hog. Such things can suck my e-peen. Control Panel and Profile INspector ftw as long as they can be accessed. If that stops and your nightmare scenario of GFE 2.0 become reality, i will switch to AMD .
FFS, can they PLEASE just let us download bare drivers with a simple straight forward interface in a small package without all the BS??? Video drivers don't been to be the better part of a gig. I don't want any of this garbage, just give me a small download with the control panel and the drivers and no tracking ort advertising, your cards are expensive enough already, you dont need to suck our data dry to sell too ..
NVCleanstall does this for you. First time you tick the boxes you want after that you run NVCleanstall every two weeks to see at a glance if there is a new driver. If there is then 2 clicks and done. Awesome program! You can disable telemetry/ansel etc.
@@Dr1ftop1a 'still' do what? it's been many years since you could just download drivers without all their BS from nvidia, yess, youu can deselect things from installing after you have downloaded their bloated package, but you do not have the option to not download the garage in the first place
I am a very experienced gamer and PC builder and I thought maybe they had fixed the bugs, so I downloaded the new Nvidia app, and now my microphone doesn't work when I use the Nvidia app to record (my mic works fine when I record with OBS, just tested it again) even though when I go to my audio settings there is only a single mic option since I've disbaled all the ones I don't use. I've done very thorough troubleshooting and it is most definitely an Nvidia app problem. EXCUSE MY ALL CAPS BUT THIS WAS A PROBLEM SEVEN MONTSH AGO WHEN I TRIED THE BETA APP. THEY SHOULD HAVE FIXED THIS BY NOW. NOW I HAVE TO UNINSTALL AND GO BACK TO GEFORCE EXPERIENCE FOR THE SECOND TIME.
Control panel, it just works. Not fancy, but gets the job done. Was funny watching the speed comparisons though, like changing settings is a new Speedrun any %. How often are people changing settings? lmao
Thought the same. But then they poke fun at people who care about saving a second or two on faster boot times with their motherboard 😅well, to be fair that was Steve, but still.
I'm old school Prefer Control panel. I know it and its just right there. The experience and now this new app is akin to command line interface vs gui. They are going to have to pry the NCP from my hands
It would be cool if they port all the old features that don't work on DX12+ and add them under a subheader titled "Legacy". That way we can tweak older games but nothing gets cluttered, its all organized. I still use anti-aliasing, texture filtering, etc.
Personally I prefer Control Panel. I wish they just updated a few things about it to make it faster and that's all it needs. The reason I dislike the new NVIDIA app is because its just a webpage... you can't use it without internet connection. Being unable to tweak games & adjust basic settings without internet is abhorrent. It also means load speeds are dependent on internet speed so not everyone gets the same experience. Make a local app then we'll talk.
And no more live steam ! wow what a great improvement geforce experience allowed 1440P live stream with no performance impact on the contrary of OBS ! That's so great indeed !
If the App doesn't work offline, it's time for people to bring out their critical thinking.... Why does Nvidia need a constant internet connection? Is there telemetry install along the app? Is the list of games and settings being stored in the cloud? Edit: I think people need to go back to that EULA they swiftly accepted and start reading it properly.
there is no reason to advertise this ad infested bloatware that aggressively... no matter how much nvidia paid to the influencers, youtube channels and websites like toms hardware, tpu etc.
I don't trust modern gizmos. The control panel decades ago is still perfectly functional & is still exclusive to the GPU. These things usually come with bloatware & is just another form of Windows 11.
The absence of Custom resolution parameters is a total deal breaker... The only feature i care about. I don't want to install some third party software to overclock my display, i want it to be configurable on driver level
@@ar2612 I know you're being sarcastic, but for those in the back that need to hear it: they wouldn't serve me ads. It's a control panel for a product I already bought, the time for ads is over.
This is what I wrote earlier as feedback, but they dont seem to care and still didnt improve anything: Please take now the opportunity to update the GUI to actually OFFER OPTIONS!! Current Shadowplay shortcomings: - Nvidia: Has the best GPUs, the best AI Upscalers and what not. Also Nvidia: Uses VHS Cassettes SDR colorspace - bt.601 - at Video Capture. What the hell is that about??? I hope you will finally change this to bt.709 for HD Videos... Best would be if we could choose ourself which color matrix we would like to use. Maybe also that we can use 10 bit 4:2:0. Or a yuv444p. OBS all does offer this, but to not overwhelm you, nvidia, change it at least from bt.601 to bt.709. Its about time since years that you fix this. - Remove the GUI Limit of the Video Bitrate. Your cards can do even lossless perfectly fine. Using Cheat Engine to edit the memory to better bitrate just works perfectly fine, and OBS shows that it works too. So why are you limiting your own hardware with your own Software? Makes no sense. - Remove the maximum bitrates bound to the resolutions. e.g. if you set 1440p as the resolution it will record only at 100 mbit. No matter how far higher you did set the bitrate slider at. Thats nonsense. Remove these and let the bitrate slider do it alone. Offer an input field to set a custom bitrate. Your GPUs arent bitrate limited. - Let us use other file container than MP4. MKV is far better container, and if the capture aborts unexpectedly, the MKV can still be fully restored with MKVToolnixGUI. If a MP4 is aborted, the video is for trash bin. Also MKV supports more codecs. - Change the Framerate Mode to Constant Framerate. No one wants Variable Framerate. It just can cause difficulties for no reason. Also converting from VFR to CFR needs a good algorythm to keep smoothness. This is unnecessary difficult to handle for people with no knowledge (which you apparently target for - the only explaination to me why your GUI lacks so heavily settings) - Either let us set ourself the Keyframe interval (max GOP Length) or increase it a bit. such a short GOP Length of just 30 frames means a fullsized frame is forced every half a second on a 60fps video. This decreases compression efficiency a lot, which makes a 130 mbit bitrate on a high complexity game at 1440p or higher far less good than it might sound. - Let us set a audio codec and bitrate. I would like to record into PCM WAVE or at least FLAC. In regard the AAC Codec: Let us set a audio bitrate from all the way up to 512 kbit. AAC supports it, offer it. Dont use a bitrate of 192 which you find yourself good. People might want different bitrate you know? Especially if you do postprocessing with the audio its helpful to have a lossless or at least a high bitrate source. - Let us set both audio devices, not just the microphone. - Let us choose if Replay should buffer on disk or on system memory. I dont want to use all the time replay on my SSD. But I have high amount of system ram and could easily use that for the replay. OBS offers it. You dont do either. If you think its too much settings and would overwhelm the beginner: Then offer a hidden "expert" switch or something like that. OBS has also beginner and advanced mode. Come on Nvidia you can do it better. And you really should. The GUI is waaaay too much lacking options and that people want more from the Software is clearly seen that the majority of people prefer OBS also for video captures, instead of your program. I probably forgot a lot of more things, because your software really lacks a lot of things, but I will update it, if I remember more things. But thats it for now And I bet you will just again totally disappoint and wont improve one single point seen on this list :-(
Don't call this a "release" if not all settings have moved into the app. I'm tired of Microsoft slowly moving settings from the Control Panel to the Windows Settings app. It never gets done. There's no motivation for these companies to do so. Especially when NVIDIA makes so much.
Are you talking about the GPU fans? That is up to the card manufacturer. Mine lets me sets different fan curves on my Nvidia GPU. But it is an EVGA which stop making GPU cards.
@@minhduong1484 sorry but u are wrong i make a fan curve with any amd gpu with adreiline soft ware that come all amd gpu so why cant invidia do this also
@@MONTREZOR i know after buner would work but i dont like installing so many diffrent apps u can end up with confllics it would be better if could be in the nvidia sofwawre is all im asking
@@michaelaugustus5191 I am staring at the EVGA software that came with my NVidia GPU that allows me to select from preset fan curves or create my own. Please tell me how I am wrong about my machine again.
So it's not finished and not ready but they're saying it is anyway because adding a few checkboxes and dropdown selections to a UI is too difficult for companies with the resources of NVidia (and Microsoft, since Windows has the same problem). Which implies they're never gonna actually finish this thing and get rid of the old Control Panel. Cool. Maybe NVidia should open-source their settings UIs if they can't be bothered committing their own resources to actually working on them. It's utterly pathetic. (Their website also still says the app is in beta and has a big button to download GeForce Experience, at least in my region.)
It’s so absurd that we always get outdated very bad software from huge companies. Something like the Nvidia Control Panel can easily be developed by a single experienced developer within a couple of weeks. This companies earn billions of dollars and aren’t able to improve such software in years.
I have the sneaking suspicion that some day when everybody has begun to use the new app, suddenly it will require log-in.
Why is that such a big deal I logged in once with GFE checked the box that says keep logged in and never had to do it again 😂
It already requires login bruhh. For everything realted to rewards n stuff. But for gaming and settings adjustment only, it works fine. I don't think this arrangement will change anytime soon.
@@AndrewB23 I did that, and the login had still expired the next time I came to update my drivers, requiring me to log in again. Just unnecessary friction.
@@AndrewB23 there is no reason for you to log in to an app you use locally in your own desktop PC, how old are you? it seems young people got used to not own anything nowadays
@@AndrewB23because 1. Its inconvenient. 2. What benefit would logging in give? Nothing.
remember that the GeForce experience was also without a log in / mandatory account, in the beginning.
I expect that the Nvidia App will have mandatory account / Log in, 6 to 12 Months down the line.
Pepperridge farm remembers
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@@BeatmasterAC Exactly. The same BS all over again.
We'll jump ship if that happens, but until then we celebrate the W
Not sure why everyone is so bothered about a log in?
I think it's a big mistake to remove the AF and Anti Aliasing overrides. You would sometimes get games with no AF and AA options and would use the control panel to enable them. Other times the driver forced AF would look much better than the ingame one.
I am not criticizing you because that is of course your experience , but I personally have never played a game that does not have anti-aliasing. Which games have you played that do not offer those features if I may ask?
@@emiel255 Most modern games only have TAA. If you disable that so you can actually see through the vaseline filter, you're left with no AA at all.
@@emiel255 First ones to come to mind are Dead Space 2008 and Alien Isolation. There were many more over the years of course, but I cant recall at the moment. A lot of games had terrible AA so forcing it through drivers improved image quality drastically. I dont play any current games, but having that option is a must if you play anything before this DLSS craze we are in right now
While I agree that these options should not be removed, DSR usually fixes those games better. At least for
@@emiel255 EVERY game on Unreal Engine 3. Its AA was so lacking it was as good as none.
Plot twist:
1.21Version Changelog:
Online log-in mandatory.🤣
+ unique phone verification
That's BS.
Screw the app. Just give me the simple but effective NVIDIA Control Panel.
YES!
I just use nvcleanstall and only install driver and control panel, thats it.
Much cleaner, dont need nvidia app.
That still exists.
@@tonycrabtree3416 Yes, I know, and they better not take it away to push an app where they could change their minds and require a log in.
@@tonycrabtree3416 not for long
Now try using this app offline.
For me, my gaming computer doesn't always have an internet connection. If I try to open the app. Doesn't even show me the games I have. Let alone change any setting. This is unacceptable. So I need an always On connection to be able to change settings on app. The control panel still WAY better. I am currently updating to the latest drivers and app. See how that goes. But so far, as much as I hated the old GeForce experience program. At least that one still worked once it was set up and I had to be offline. While the app won't even let me see the settings for stuff I had for months on the PC and had previously altered.
Update: Finish installing all latest. If open the program without internet the "Program Settings" now show the games and applications. But when clicking the "Global Setting" tab, it's blank, well very dark gray, with an exclamation icon. And no settings shown.
who tf doesnt have wifi or even basic internet connection in 2024 almost to 2025 ???
@@Eleganttf2 plenty of people, pull your head in. It's a failure of the design to not have an offline option.
He didn't mention online requirements... So it's a pointless shill vid 😅
@@Eleganttf2It's not that hard to believe, no one can even afford a house.
@@Eleganttf2 EVERYONE once in a while.
Hopefully they don't get rid of some of the driver level settings like anisotropic filtering and Anti-aliasing overrides because I play a lot of older games that don't have options like texture filtering options so I end up using the NVIDIA control to force 8X MSAA and 16X anisotropic filtering in those older games.
Pretty sure you can continue to use Nvidia Profile Inspector to change those settings.
@dizzyfist7 Profile inspector is a bit too technical and in the weeds for me, personally.
@@chrisfratz Profile Inspector is basically just the same as the "Manage 3D Settings" menus in Nivida Control Panel, but with the options broken down into more subgroups. But yeah I 100% agree with your main point about the importance of them retaining all of these settings and features, they are indeed very useful for older games in particular.
Just use ati/amd😂
@@dvr1337 go home troll
What nobody is seeing, this is again a honeytrap move by Nvidia.
See, currently still a significant number of Nvidia GPU owners do not use GEForce Experience, we rely solely on the crumy old Control Panel. Why? Two factors :
1. We are not using any GEFX exclusive feature anyway (RTSS Overlay + OBS Buffering FTW).
2. NVCleanstall.
One the Nvidia "App" become too prominent, they will kill the Control Panel for good, leaving NVCleanstall users in the dust.
NVC is a GODSEND for anyone who does not wants to deal with the headache of Nvidia telemetry and background process crap that follows the stock installer.
GFE does systemwide screenshots. The alternatives are either crap, bloated or want money.
@@roller4312 What does that even mean?
You can literally take screenshots of ANY application without ANY extra software, in ANY operating system made the past 15+ years.
Likewise, i only use the control panel after i nvcleaninstall my drivers. That bloat is gross and it certainly will not be less in the future to come. I stay with control panel / profile inspector as long as i can.
It's not a conspiracy. Nvidia has already said they *will* be *removing* the nvidia control panel. It's *going away* and if you wanna play modern games eventually you're gonna have to live without it.
@@GugureSux that's not how it works, i assume you mean printscreen, nor did use it much. What it does is capture the content of the screen buffer to memory. And there are 2 problems with this, the user has to save the content to disk manually, and secondly it doesn't even work if printscreen is denied or hindered access. ( overlays do that). There is a reason FRAPS was hugely popular, despite being hugely wonky, and there is still no alternative but GFE.
Both Geforce Experience 3.28 and the Nvidia App have some changes in them that break the overlay or cause it to stop hooking into games like BF2042 if you alt-tab a few times making the use of the application for recording not possible. Only current "solution" is to go back to version 3.27 of Geforce Experience. Nvidia seem to be aware of the issue but I guess decided to full release instead of fixing it before.
I like that the control panel has several tabs for similar yet distinct features. If it were just one tab with infinite scrolling, I believe that would be even more inefficient than what we currently have.
this application does not work without an Internet connection - this is its huge disadvantage
having a pc without internet in 2024 is wild
@@xRamada I'm Cuban and to use the App I have to share my phone's internet(shitty and expensive, btw) and use a VPN, offline functionality would be good.
@@randomhgb ew
@@xRamada yeah, this country sucks.
Your internet can also be down for a time
This totally screwed up all my game's graphical settings by "optimizing" them to resolutions much bigger than my monitors. Shit's weak.
I had a bad feeling right before I clicked "optimize" on mine. It never asked me what to optimize FOR. Sure enough, my 120fps dropped to around 70. No love from nvidia for gamers who like high fps. 60 is good enough -per nvidia.
@@goldenheartOh I had to fix all my stuff but it was way more hard than clicking the one button to "optimize".
@@goldenheartOh It's always been like this. "optimize" just changes settings.
This video has a weird tone to it, sounds to me as he is promoting this App for Nvidia.
RED FLAG!
You guys are beta testers...
So 10 years later than amd, and it still doesn't fully replace control pannel. What a joke from a 3.5T company. Lol.
The problem is that they have more than 85% market share as per steam data but all of this is only like 15% of their revenu, normal they dont care.
Absolutely nothing about this change is important, necessary, or meaningful whatsoever.
@@apersonontheinternet8006 meanwhile Hardware Unboxed : explaining why this change is highly important, very necessary and meaningful. You keep using your control panel from 1998 (with outdated design and menu changes taking 10 seconds in the fastest CPU in the world) , the rest of the world is ready to move on, 10 years after AMD users had been there & done that.
What a weird way of putting it considering amd's app is a copy of nvidia, (copied shadowplay) nor were there any issues with the control panel tbh. The best thing about the new app is that it doesn't require login.. for the basic things at least.
control panel is ugly but functional. I've used it for years and I always managed to do everything, I used geforce experience just for recordings. AMD's radeon software is nicer but for the whole time I used it (until last month) it occasionally had some issues, for example AFMF that periodically activates itself on some games or some translation errors in my language (Italian) in the interface, plus it has never been really smooth in my experience. This Nvidia App does what it has to do by improving the graphics part and honestly I open it once every 10 years so I don't care much, the only lack that is felt is an integrated tool for overclocking / undervolting.
So it's version 1.0 but doesn't have all the features yet? Doesn't that kinda mean it's not done yet?
Yeah that's why you get updates.
You didn't really expect software to be finished on release? That hasn't been a thing since we all used physical media for software. It's release now, finish later these days.
its still the same garbage underneath, the code is reused its just a new coat of paint lmao
exactly
Any reference to that claim? Replacing the control panel is a big plus for most people alone.
@@ttc0419 maybe open your control panel and see if its replaced? lol The NVCP is still the same thing. It's only the GFExperience UI that changed.
There's also the fact that the NVIDIA App Overlay has the exact same bugs as the GFE one, the exact same options in the exact same tabs, the exact same shortcuts, etc.
Oh and I feared stuff would get removed or would work differently.
So, what information is nVidia stealing from our computer with its new app?
Betcha there stealing photos and videos for their AI training. 🤣
@@VarriskKhanaar all possible
@@MarcABrown-tt1fpWould require noticeable amounts of bandwidth.
"So, what information is nVidia stealing from our computer with its new app?"
Wireshark to the rescue ;-)
If it did, there would already be a dozen RUclips videos about it to farm content.
So, it's either hidden pretty good or not happening.
As a UX/UI designer I don't get how more companies arent finally awakening from the coma that they know better than the customer how to use their product. You build features becasue your customer needs it, or believe they need it. You scrap features they don't want/need. Spend some budget on proper usability testing and your product will be not only user friendly, but better performant and looking better as well. "Noooo..." said the big companies, "We want our vision to be pushed to the audience. There is no competition and all the features are there". I mean, come on! Interfaces need to enhance your capabilities, like a musical instrument. They shouldn't weigh down on your mental and phyisical being.
Gonna push back slightly on this. I feel that some (maybe a lot) of you UX guys get caught up in 'cool' over function. I don't want a bunch of tabs organized the way you think makes sense with a snazzy color pallet and some really nifty animations. I just want a *@&^#$% list of my options. Just a list. With very obvious (i.e. 'technical') verbiage. I don't want 76 different themes, the ability to undock tabs, embedded frames that are playing animations or god forbid, videos. I don't want cutesy names and layers between me and the setting.
I am old, I know it. For my games and social media and everything else, I couldn't care less. For technical things like this, I do NOT want 'modern UI', I just want all my options in a very straightforward and simple manner. I get it, you guys are designing for the least common denominator. And I have to concede that as technology advances, the lowest common denominator becomes more obfuscated from the actual underlying tech. Just giving my rant where ever I can lol.
And get off my lawn while you are at it.
@@jasonOfTheHills What are you even pushing back on? You're agreeing with him, gramps.
@@jasonOfTheHills I’m with you on this.
I wish gaming, especially on the PC, would go back to obscurity so that the lowest common denominator would have a 10 point IQ jump on the average user today. Look at these comments saying “Only took nVidia 10 years for a UI” as if their Adrenaline UI made their AMD cards the best in the business (they didn’t).
Not an Apple fan I take it and if you are it's time to rethink that take. Sometimes companies do seem oblivious to their users wants or needs but the company makes the product and they often do know better. Also, not all users want the same things and the number of users who want something and the number of users who talk about it are never the same so the taking things out part may not be a great idea if it does not come with other factors like high cost.
@@jasonOfTheHills Well you just unintentionally agreed with him. You said "I feel that some (maybe a lot) of you UX guys get caught up in 'cool' over function". But the whole point of UX designer is to makes things simpler and familiar to users on the UI level. If UX designers do things no one like, it means they are just plain bad UX designers because they didn't think about how users would use their app.
Thank god. Gfe was cancer
It drove me crazy that i have to log in to use that sh*t
@@ChengsHardwareOh comeon, i had to log in once every six months or so....
@@DanielFrost79because you used it once every six months, it’s obvious people would use more if the login wasn’t there
@puffyips No, i said i needed to log in (again) once every six months...
@@DanielFrost79 I build new systems evey now and then , so it's much worse
The fact that it does not have control over the voltage curve and core clock makes this app far below what we have in MSI Afterburner.
This change has only one goal. To stop users form using NvClean installer app. No more Nv control panel means this could be a problem for many user who use old GPU GTX 1060 and more ?
Will NvClean work after this change ?
If it doesn't have all of the control panel features then it is a useless addition.
Im old fashion I love the control panel UI since there's nothing fancy about it. Gonna miss when every single program was made that way but I'm not exactly gonna miss it either being a designer myself
its so much cleaner than all these modern slop UI's. everytime an old UI that i like gets ruined by modern design my heart breaks a little
As someone who uses the control panel 3-4 times a year I can tell you that whatever time the nvidia app saves will cost me more time in me having to look for the setting and to check if it's in the app yet or not. Also, I hate modern interfaces with a passion because they often replace old ones with something worse that looks more pleasing to a modern audience and while this mostly does not seem to be the case with the nvidia app I still won't bother with it until it has all the settings in it for the reason mentioned above.
Empty space... so much wasted, empty space, pointless scrolling and submenus. We moved from 16" screens to 32" with twice the pixel density, and yet somehow "modern" interfaces will show _less_ because they need to be "streamlined" and "clean" because otherwise they will "overwhelm" and "confuse" the user.
@@LishtenbirdTech Yep, I hate 'modern interface' design for the same reasons. Most egregiously is when they go for that unusable 'white white whie whitiw whithithiw whit white space everywhere!" design philosophy. No borders, no contrast between screen elements, just eye-burning white glare of 98% of the screen that does not allow your eyes to focus naturally on important 'sections' you need to interact with.
And always, no way to see sizing bars without helplessly 'waving your mouse' in the area you think a grab-scroll bar *might* be. And hope to hell you land on the 1-pixel wide grab-bar in order to resize a sub-window to see everything properly. Good luck to any user who isn't a teenager from South Korea with dexterity and hand-eye coordination to spare.
All for the sake of this ridiculous "clean modern interface" that cannot be liked, or used, effectively by any normal human being.
Thankfully this new Nvidia App avoids the 'white space' issue, and isn't the worst example of the 'clean modern' interface I've seen. But it still isn't as useful or screen-space efficient as it could be.
"Modern Audience" aka People that don't know any better and that are easily manipulated into swallowing basic rights violations and standard UI practices.
Same here "It looks like a modern app" is usually a huge red flag for me. The word app says it all, it's designed for smartphone users in mind, most of "modern" UI just looks good but is annoying to use on anything other than a tiny smartphone screen.
@@mkaleborn My favorite example of a practical UI is Bulk Rename Utility - which, incidentally, once got lambasted by one of "modern" UI designers. It places 90% of its functionality onto one single screen: a folder tree, a detailed file list, and about a dozen groups of fields, dropdowns, and toggles. With this, you know exactly what's happening and in which order, any modification you need is right there as long as you just read the labels, it's asymmetric so you'll quickly learn and remember where everything is, and... it fits all that perfectly fine on a modern 4K screen.
I've heard about some issues from other users a while ago that just having the Nvidia App running in the background significantly tanked performance in game (around 10% less fps). Also users reported a bug with RTX HDR that when you turn it ON you naturally lose performance (which isnt the main issue) but when you turn it OFF again you dont gain back the lost performance, so something was bugged and the only solution was to full uninstall the app and drivers and do a fresh driver install to get back to your original FPS. Could you investigate if these issues have been fixed with the 1.0 release? Could you also do a video with multiple games and different resolutions tested on how much performance it costs to turn on RTX HDR?
Indeed I totally lost performance when I installed this app. Hardware unboxed should have reviewed this first instead of directly promoting it. I have huge performance losses using a 4090 and 7800X3D. Sometimes even after a gaming session I have a process running that is pushing my cpu to hight temps even at idle. Killing it solves this. This is a resource intensive program that this app introduced. So far, my experience has been terrible.
BS. It's not affecting performance. It was a bug in the Beta that has been adressed many months ago. That's why it was a beta, you know...
@Relex_92 I can make a video to proof it if you want.
@@bschalker Iam having a huge issue with performance now after installing this app. These are my rig specs. What can i do to get my performance back? NVIDIA system information report created on: 11/18/2024 16:55:01
NVIDIA app version: 11.0.1.163
Operating system: Microsoft Windows 11 Home, Version 10.0.22631
DirectX runtime version: DirectX 12
Driver: Game Ready Driver - 566.14 - Tue Nov 12, 2024
CPU: 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700HX
RAM: 32.0 GB
Storage: SSD - 953.9 GB
Graphics card
GPU processor: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop GPU
Direct3D feature level: 12_1
CUDA cores: 3072
Graphics clock: 1890 MHz
Max-Q technologies: Gen-5
Dynamic Boost: Yes
WhisperMode: No
Advanced Optimus: No
Maximum graphics power: 140 W
Memory data rate: 16.00 Gbps
Memory interface: 128-bit
Memory bandwidth: 256.032 GB/s
Total available graphics memory: 24475 MB
Dedicated video memory: 8188 MB GDDR6
System video memory: 0 MB
Shared system memory: 16287 MB
Video BIOS version: 95.07.26.00.1f
IRQ: Not used
Bus: PCI Express x8 Gen4
Device ID: 10DE 28E0 3B5317AA
Part number: 3757 0110
Display (1): Laptop display
Resolution: 2560 x 1600 (native)
Refresh rate: 240 Hz
Desktop color depth: Highest (32-bit)
Display technology: G-SYNC
So we are now talking about the advantages only. Well it is faster, it will save around a minute for most end users. What I noticed is either no one is talking about shield settings which disappeared or I wasn't able to find it. In both cases it either locked up pretty deep or there is a design flaw. Other people mentioned most problems and nvidia trojan tactics. Thanks for the video.
I will miss the compact old school windows explorer layouts, so much easier on the eyes compared to the modern windows toggle icons with excessive empty spaces that were designed for touch screens.
nvidia control panel still exists.
Would not be surprised when they finish moving features and everyone is on the new app it will suddenly require to log in again. Hope I'm wrong but kinda expecting it actually.
And a $50 / month subscription, payable 2 years in advance, but with a "free" first month.
Control panel wasn't designed in 2005 lmao, it was designed far earlier. An old family PC used a geforce 4 series card from 2003-ish and it has the exact same Nvidia settings app.
Your 2003 video card is using a newer driver. The control panel was last fully redesigned with Forceware 90 in 2006 and had some tweaks soon after to bring back the beloved tree view and tame the useless side panel. Original driver for your card had a small tabbed UI (way too many tabs) with a tree view hovering beside it in mid air.
Yes, the gui is very Windows XP-ish...
Every time I open the control panels, it reminds me of how old I am. That thing has to be like 30 years old by now.
@@SianaGearz I had a Geforce FX card in 2003 and it had many of the same UI elements as they're still used in the control panel today. I don't know for sure but I think it might date back to the introduction of the GeForce 256 in 1999. Prior to that most settings lived in the monitor/display adapter settings in Windows.
@@JMartinni You are misremembering. The current nvidia control panel wasn't made until like 2006.
Yeah they no longer need a login, because when you install the "new" app, you agree to the Terms & Conditions which allows NVIDIA to collect your computers (and your own) data from the local OS.
*LONG LIVE NVIDIA CONTROL PANEL*
Hoping now the instant replay will work with this New app
It's still filled with bugs, sometimes doesn't save at all and the always on mic turns off by itself.
my question is with the old legacy gui didn't it consumed less gpu resource vram and provided lesser overhead than this new app or its the same or better?
Just use steam solution
@@bmqww223 thats what you'd think but then why is it slow..
it still sucks
control panel is still superior in control for those who knows what they are doing.
But it looks like Windows XP era
@@NotOftenPoliteGuy What difference does it make how it looks like?
@@NotOftenPoliteGuy who gives a shit? They're doing the Microsoft Settings thing and creating a feature incomplete one they'll never get up to snuff with the 15 year old one.
@@NotOftenPoliteGuy So?
superior means nothing when it takes forever to load and check for settings... which makes it not superior if its slow
Nvidia profile inspector ftw!
The thing with the old CP GFX settings was half of them were for the old GTX cards and the other half are only useful if a game you play doesn’t have a specific in-game sitting like frame limiter or whatever. I just check the ‘use in-game settings’ box on the home page with the spinning logo and forget about CP altogether except for multi display settings and such.
So...
No one is worried about this thing taking down more fps?
These GPU utility programs never should have impact on FPS.
But I can already feel this will take about 5~10% off from performance just from looks of it.
Then I will be glad to see your Benchmark results. Set up a proper test environment with proper savegames and use CapFrameX to record the benchmark data. Do three runs per game with old and new driver and see how they compare. SPOILER: performance will be the same....
Now that Nvidia has this app, it would be more interesting comparing AMD's app. AMD has had a great GPU management app for years and the new Nvidia app reminds me a lot of AMD's app.
Right now, nvidia is the clear loser... but also, nvidia just started.
@@ct2651nvidia had had geforce experience for years. They did not just start
It does still require login. To ensure "you" have accepted their EULA and removing your rights to privacy and recourse while protecting all of the rights of nVidia.
I just installed it, and while there was a login request I skipped it. Until a sitting (maybe standing) judge tells me that the EULA is all binding, my acceptance is non-binding.
I actually prefer the Advanced Statistics thing in Geforce Experience. It looked way nicer than whatever is in the Geforce App right now. The old advanced statistics works most of the time while the new one doesn't work most of the time.
Yeah good luck accessing it if you have network issues or offline
Never used GFE, always stripped down the driver, all hardware encoding works fine in OBS/XSplit, no missing features (optional Ansel), no telemetry, no problems. The only thing I don't get is the OTA profile updates, which are hit or miss anyway. Used to be able to force them to download when checking for updates in the 2.x version of GFE, but since 3.x that feature was removed for unknown reasons, rendering the entire point of having GFE installed moot.
Will keep using the classic control panel for as long as possible, regardless of how much anyone says this "app" is better. Even to the point they do gut it and block third party attempts to get it working, we still have NVIDIA Inspector anyway...
For people who don't know much about tech, I guess this is a good thing?
Nvidia, welcome to Adrenalin. Better late than never.
Adrenalin is just somthing else. The Software was just way ahead of its time.
LMAO Adrenalin has a more confusing UI than the average airplane.
@@bennoboy97how? Lmao. Are you slow or something? The UI is clean af.
I personally dont like the UI of Adrenalin either. The labeling is really confusing i often have to try out different tabs to find the one i wanted. Could also be the german translation that is just garbage @@mort996
@@izidorAnd Especially, Adrenaline always works. It never happened to me that when I clicked replay capture the app wasn't recording.
With GeForce experience, 50% of the times it turned out that the app wasn't recording, for some reason.
Does the app have telemetry trackers running in the background like GFE did?
I'd like to know this as well. I always install drivers with NVCleanstall to avoid bloat and telemetry.
It's naive to think that it wouldn't. This is Nvidia we are talking about
"Data that is necessary for NVIDIA app to operate and cannot be switched off"
It's forced by default. And you can't disable that.
@@The.Jimmyboythanks for the tip, I'll look into this.
@@leesanction2068 AMD app also has telemetry, almost like its there for a reason.
Nvidia Control Panel > Nvidia App
Fight me bro.
nvidia-smi >>>>>>>>>
/s
No need to fight, everyone with a functioning brain knows that fact.
@@Antidepressiva1980 You'd be surprised to know how many people lack one 🤭
I agree. This whole video feels like an Nvidia app ad lol
100%
What I don't understand is why do we need a specific Nvidia application for most of these settings. On Linux I have a single universal application for all my monitors in XFCE. VRR is controlled by the monitor setting on the monitor, etc. with almost everything there's a single place by the system that it controls it.
It seems really odd to see HW Unboxed omit (or at the very least gloss over) the myriad of completely broken features, as well as the completely ignored and highly documented existing bugs (like not being able to change which microphone you want to use for recording), but still come in with glowing praise for the Nvidia App.
for me the missing features from the control app is why i not change yet.
So many years and still no proper import/export of settings
About time , how can AMD adrenaline be so much better?
I didn’t even know adrenaline is light years better till I read the comments with all the nvidia bugs 😂 maybe I’ll buy a nvidia card in the future when it’s all sorted
If AMD makes a 5080 competitor, I'll be back.
Nvidia didn't have much incentive to improve their software because 88% of people were buying their cards, regardless. That's still the case, but I suppose that they figured that they dragged their feet long enough.
The only isssue I’ve ever had with AMD is it occasionally not saving OC/UC profiles or the app not opening unless hot keyed while IN game. Outside of two things, it’s an amazing app. I haven’t owned an RTX card since 2020 and I was always curious as to why people complained about Adrenaline when it’s been amazing for me.
Imo they all suck 😅😢
It also has a cool feature of -200fps just from having the overlay enabled
Also as a system builder this is much easier to make sure a customers unit is ready without having to download every update to a USB or directly to a computer every time a new driver launches.
Not sure if Tim or Balin was responsible for the zoom in on the looking at Microsoft bit but that was premium content good job
Ancient gameplay showed that the Nvidia beta app a few months ago did tank your fps for some reason. I do hope this is not the case anymore.
At last! Adrenaline was so superior to Nvidia apps it was almost funny.
Had Adrenaline and GeForce control panel on my laptop.
AMD's app was so much nicer that I spent time tinkering with settings and then got sad that I realised that I might need to do the same in GeForce Experience 😢
true, even catalyst I didn't mind installing at all
AMD: Geforce experience, nvidia control panel and overclocking like afterburner all in one driver. Doesn't even need an account. It is generations ahead. Meanwhile Nvidia control panel still has little monitor icons with windows XP taskbar.
Would LOVE to see you guys explore some Linux benchmarks. AMD & NVIDIA drivers have gone open source, Valve/Proton enable most games on x86 Linux, and Valve/Proton are pursuing ARM translation as well. Tie in Windows users fed up with ads, being strong armed off Windows 10, and the coming MS Recall. Even if you only focused on a single Linux distro like Bazzite, PopOS, or Garuda, it would be cool to see comparisons first class next to Windows benchmarks.
How is this build?? Any suggestion? Also is there anything that I can get at lower price with same performance?
PC Build:
1. Processor (CPU):
• AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Gaming
2. Motherboard:
• Asus PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI DDR5
3. CPU Cooler:
• Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 A-RGB All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
4. RAM:
• G Skill Trident 32GB Z5 Neo RGB DDR5-6000MHz (x2)
5. Monitor:
• ASUS ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN 24.5” 1ms G-Sync FHD Gaming Monitor
6. Casing Cooler:
• CORSAIR ICUE SP120 RGB ELITE PWM Fan White Triple Pack
7. Keyboard:
• Keychron K4 Wireless RGB LED Backlight Aluminum Frame Mechanical Keyboard (Version 2)
8. Mouse:
• Logitech G903 Lightspeed HERO Lightsync RGB Wireless Gaming Mouse
9. Headphones:
• Corsair HS60 HAPTIC Stereo Gaming Headset with Haptic Bass
10. UPS:
• MaxGreen MG-LI-REM-2000VA Offline UPS (Metal Body, 4 unit 9 amp Battery)
Hope this won't be a forced requirement and Nvidia will still continue to support the old driver control panel. Geforce Experience cause all kind of stuttering issues in Elden Ring and the Nvidia App beta did the same, no thanks. The Nvidia control panel is fully functional, if it ain't broken don't fix it. Give us both options, let those who want the extra features of the Nvidia App use the App but the Nvidia control panel just works.
Doubt it, they will eventually kill it, or at least by dropping support it will naturally die in 5 years at most when new features are not available in it. For me the app is a step in the right direction, once it has all of the control panel features migrated there is literally no reason to keep using the old control panel besides nostalgia (except for some reason their App kills performance, I doubt it. Even then you could just close the app since the settings persist outside of it being open).
@@marcosrolando7987 Killing the Geforce experience or the App didn't work for me, not in the case for Elden Ring, even uninstalling the App didn't work. I had to do a clean reinstall of drivers for the game to play smoothly again. I've only briefly used the Nvidia App since it didn't really worked out for me but with Geforce experience whether you have the app running or not there were always extra Nvidia processes running in the background once you had it installed.
tbf Elden Ring causes stuttering issues in Elden Ring lol.
@@yewtewbstew547 It's not the smoothest game in the world and interacts poorly with different setups, you also need a lot of CPU power to mask the traversal data streaming that may appear as stutters on weaker setups but Geforce experience made things worse on my end.
If they ever drop the Nvidia control panal, I just hope the Nvidia App will have matured enough by then.
@@ooringe378 I see, for me particularly clean drivers install without GeForce experiencie had 0 impact on Elden Ring, eventually DF confirmed the game had problems no matter what so I stopped looking into it. Never really had any problems related to GeForce experience personally, but I think if the just focus on the app it will eventually be "decent", even if on launch it does have problems
Removing the required login was by far the best feature 😅
10:19 But it still requires internet to operate even without login. 🤧🥲
The first thing i said when i saw the title was "i hope you dont have to log in anymore"
What kind of telemetry and user data gathering is in the app compared to control panel and geforce experience? Sucks this information is missing in the PSA
I was one of the users that refused to login. Every day, I have around 6 logins to do just to start up my day unless I decide to leave my computer on, which is a waste of electricity. Although it's probably paranoia, I don't save my passwords because I don't like the idea of them being recorded into a local file because that seems like a vulnerability. So I log in manually with every login, and I can't stand needing a login for things like playing a video game I've paid for or to use an app created for a computer component I own.
Imagine you have to register and login to run your GPU.
You don't!
Drivers work perfectly fine without any additional GUI app ;-)
GeForce Experience was a "are you a normie?" test
@@igorthelight i know it's just a joke
Losing GFE doesn't matter, since I never used or install that anyway. It's when they kill off the control panel and I'm basically forced to use GFE 2.0 is not a day I'm looking forward to. Also, looking at that speed comparison, the panel wasn't that bad and frankly I'm sure they could largely leave it as is but just speed it up if they wanted too.
Besides, once things are set, how often does the average person even open the control panel again from one month to another.
And on the subject of speed for the new app, at around the 7:16 you opened the settings specifically for Cyberpunk, then 7 seconds later, the actual settings show up, even on the high end hardware you said was used. Give it enough time, and it will just become a big, bloated mess, mostly used for data collection and marketing.
It already is a big bloat and telemetry hog. Such things can suck my e-peen. Control Panel and Profile INspector ftw as long as they can be accessed. If that stops and your nightmare scenario of GFE 2.0 become reality, i will switch to AMD .
FFS, can they PLEASE just let us download bare drivers with a simple straight forward interface in a small package without all the BS??? Video drivers don't been to be the better part of a gig. I don't want any of this garbage, just give me a small download with the control panel and the drivers and no tracking ort advertising, your cards are expensive enough already, you dont need to suck our data dry to sell too ..
The closest to this is Linux with package managers
You can still do that lol
NVCleanstall does this for you. First time you tick the boxes you want after that you run NVCleanstall every two weeks to see at a glance if there is a new driver. If there is then 2 clicks and done. Awesome program! You can disable telemetry/ansel etc.
Use NVCleanstall
@@Dr1ftop1a 'still' do what? it's been many years since you could just download drivers without all their BS from nvidia, yess, youu can deselect things from installing after you have downloaded their bloated package, but you do not have the option to not download the garage in the first place
I am a very experienced gamer and PC builder and I thought maybe they had fixed the bugs, so I downloaded the new Nvidia app, and now my microphone doesn't work when I use the Nvidia app to record (my mic works fine when I record with OBS, just tested it again) even though when I go to my audio settings there is only a single mic option since I've disbaled all the ones I don't use.
I've done very thorough troubleshooting and it is most definitely an Nvidia app problem.
EXCUSE MY ALL CAPS BUT THIS WAS A PROBLEM SEVEN MONTSH AGO WHEN I TRIED THE BETA APP. THEY SHOULD HAVE FIXED THIS BY NOW.
NOW I HAVE TO UNINSTALL AND GO BACK TO GEFORCE EXPERIENCE FOR THE SECOND TIME.
I just want to say thank you so much for using the "xx is dead, long live xx" correctly. It's used improperly on YT so often it's maddening.
Tim didn't mention that it can restore previous versions of the driver, if something goes wrong with an update, it's good to have.
Control panel, it just works. Not fancy, but gets the job done.
Was funny watching the speed comparisons though, like changing settings is a new Speedrun any %. How often are people changing settings? lmao
I was thinking similar. "But look how much faster the new Nvidia App is! It's approximately half a second faster!" Like seriously, who cares.
Thought the same. But then they poke fun at people who care about saving a second or two on faster boot times with their motherboard 😅well, to be fair that was Steve, but still.
Nvidia control panel was always slow and clunky, this is a welcome change
@@DeadPixel1105 So you like that old bloated contral panel that takes much longer to load? Well I prefer the new fast and leightweight app.
I'm old school Prefer Control panel. I know it and its just right there. The experience and now this new app is akin to command line interface vs gui. They are going to have to pry the NCP from my hands
It would be cool if they port all the old features that don't work on DX12+ and add them under a subheader titled "Legacy".
That way we can tweak older games but nothing gets cluttered, its all organized. I still use anti-aliasing, texture filtering, etc.
does RTX HDR work with more than 1 monitor plugged in yet? or is it still dumb and broken?
Nvidia Control Panel + Nvidia Inspector >>> all
This
The funny thing is the nvidia app isn't working for me at all right now
The current App-Version is 11.0.1.163, not 1.0.
The title is either an intentional simplification, or a mistake.
10:18 No, the app has out of beta now, with 1.0 is stable version. Look it up. 🤷🏻♀️🥴
Personally I prefer Control Panel. I wish they just updated a few things about it to make it faster and that's all it needs.
The reason I dislike the new NVIDIA app is because its just a webpage... you can't use it without internet connection. Being unable to tweak games & adjust basic settings without internet is abhorrent. It also means load speeds are dependent on internet speed so not everyone gets the same experience.
Make a local app then we'll talk.
And no more live steam !
wow what a great improvement
geforce experience allowed 1440P live stream with no performance impact on the contrary of OBS !
That's so great indeed !
Thanks Steve, but you forgot to run the tests on the 5800X3D.
Wait, wrong video.
unfortunately you can't adjust the keybinds to use the overlay, which I really think is disappointing.
Too bad custom resolutions aren't implemented yet, I'll still have to use the NVCP for that
Custom Resolution Utility =)
Radeon Adrenalin is much better then them both combined.
If the App doesn't work offline, it's time for people to bring out their critical thinking....
Why does Nvidia need a constant internet connection? Is there telemetry install along the app?
Is the list of games and settings being stored in the cloud?
Edit: I think people need to go back to that EULA they swiftly accepted and start reading it properly.
Its still no better. It takes like 20 unnecessary processes that makes windows latency go higher.
there is no reason to advertise this ad infested bloatware that aggressively... no matter how much nvidia paid to the influencers, youtube channels and websites like toms hardware, tpu etc.
it's an upgrade, so what?
I want to keep the old school nvidia settings. I have no idea, why would i want to use Geforce Experience.
I don't trust modern gizmos. The control panel decades ago is still perfectly functional & is still exclusive to the GPU. These things usually come with bloatware & is just another form of Windows 11.
The absence of Custom resolution parameters is a total deal breaker... The only feature i care about. I don't want to install some third party software to overclock my display, i want it to be configurable on driver level
Oh great another app that loads like a god damn webpage, I'm so sick of webapps. Just make the old control panel fast!
How would they feed you ads?
@@ar2612 I know you're being sarcastic, but for those in the back that need to hear it: they wouldn't serve me ads. It's a control panel for a product I already bought, the time for ads is over.
Audio recording is still bugged
Always installed pure driver without any gf experience bloatware, so no difference for me.
This is what I wrote earlier as feedback, but they dont seem to care and still didnt improve anything:
Please take now the opportunity to update the GUI to actually OFFER OPTIONS!!
Current Shadowplay shortcomings:
- Nvidia: Has the best GPUs, the best AI Upscalers and what not.
Also Nvidia: Uses VHS Cassettes SDR colorspace - bt.601 - at Video Capture. What the hell is that about??? I hope you will finally change this to bt.709 for HD Videos...
Best would be if we could choose ourself which color matrix we would like to use. Maybe also that we can use 10 bit 4:2:0. Or a yuv444p. OBS all does offer this, but to not overwhelm you, nvidia, change it at least from bt.601 to bt.709. Its about time since years that you fix this.
- Remove the GUI Limit of the Video Bitrate. Your cards can do even lossless perfectly fine. Using Cheat Engine to edit the memory to better bitrate just works perfectly fine, and OBS shows that it works too. So why are you limiting your own hardware with your own Software? Makes no sense.
- Remove the maximum bitrates bound to the resolutions.
e.g. if you set 1440p as the resolution it will record only at 100 mbit. No matter how far higher you did set the bitrate slider at. Thats nonsense. Remove these and let the bitrate slider do it alone.
Offer an input field to set a custom bitrate. Your GPUs arent bitrate limited.
- Let us use other file container than MP4. MKV is far better container, and if the capture aborts unexpectedly, the MKV can still be fully restored with MKVToolnixGUI. If a MP4 is aborted, the video is for trash bin. Also MKV supports more codecs.
- Change the Framerate Mode to Constant Framerate. No one wants Variable Framerate. It just can cause difficulties for no reason. Also converting from VFR to CFR needs a good algorythm to keep smoothness. This is unnecessary difficult to handle for people with no knowledge (which you apparently target for - the only explaination to me why your GUI lacks so heavily settings)
- Either let us set ourself the Keyframe interval (max GOP Length) or increase it a bit.
such a short GOP Length of just 30 frames means a fullsized frame is forced every half a second on a 60fps video. This decreases compression efficiency a lot, which makes a 130 mbit bitrate on a high complexity game at 1440p or higher far less good than it might sound.
- Let us set a audio codec and bitrate. I would like to record into PCM WAVE or at least FLAC.
In regard the AAC Codec: Let us set a audio bitrate from all the way up to 512 kbit. AAC supports it, offer it. Dont use a bitrate of 192 which you find yourself good. People might want different bitrate you know? Especially if you do postprocessing with the audio its helpful to have a lossless or at least a high bitrate source.
- Let us set both audio devices, not just the microphone.
- Let us choose if Replay should buffer on disk or on system memory. I dont want to use all the time replay on my SSD. But I have high amount of system ram and could easily use that for the replay. OBS offers it. You dont do either.
If you think its too much settings and would overwhelm the beginner: Then offer a hidden "expert" switch or something like that. OBS has also beginner and advanced mode. Come on Nvidia you can do it better. And you really should.
The GUI is waaaay too much lacking options and that people want more from the Software is clearly seen that the majority of people prefer OBS also for video captures, instead of your program.
I probably forgot a lot of more things, because your software really lacks a lot of things, but I will update it, if I remember more things. But thats it for now
And I bet you will just again totally disappoint and wont improve one single point seen on this list :-(
It's just a matter of time before the log-in will be needed to use the app
3:03 - LOL, love that screen name
Missing features = Not gonna use, plain and simple.
As if you had a choice. LOL!
Been using the Nvidia app for a few months to access RTX HDR. It is miles better than GFE.
not available on mac yet?
Don't call this a "release" if not all settings have moved into the app. I'm tired of Microsoft slowly moving settings from the Control Panel to the Windows Settings app. It never gets done. There's no motivation for these companies to do so. Especially when NVIDIA makes so much.
i just wish they would add a fan curve setting rather just fans on at one speed
Are you talking about the GPU fans? That is up to the card manufacturer. Mine lets me sets different fan curves on my Nvidia GPU. But it is an EVGA which stop making GPU cards.
MSi Afterburner
@@minhduong1484 sorry but u are wrong i make a fan curve with any amd gpu with adreiline soft ware that come all amd gpu so why cant invidia do this also
@@MONTREZOR i know after buner would work but i dont like installing so many diffrent apps u can end up with confllics it would be better if could be in the nvidia sofwawre is all im asking
@@michaelaugustus5191 I am staring at the EVGA software that came with my NVidia GPU that allows me to select from preset fan curves or create my own. Please tell me how I am wrong about my machine again.
So it's not finished and not ready but they're saying it is anyway because adding a few checkboxes and dropdown selections to a UI is too difficult for companies with the resources of NVidia (and Microsoft, since Windows has the same problem). Which implies they're never gonna actually finish this thing and get rid of the old Control Panel. Cool. Maybe NVidia should open-source their settings UIs if they can't be bothered committing their own resources to actually working on them. It's utterly pathetic. (Their website also still says the app is in beta and has a big button to download GeForce Experience, at least in my region.)
It’s so absurd that we always get outdated very bad software from huge companies. Something like the Nvidia Control Panel can easily be developed by a single experienced developer within a couple of weeks. This companies earn billions of dollars and aren’t able to improve such software in years.
GeForce Experience isn't the only thing NVIDIA killed off....
_... cough cough mid to low tier buyers._
I bet the name meeting was quick one...
- What're we going to call it?
- Er... App?
- That'll do. Pub?
- Sounds good . Your round.