George R.R. Martin Is Based As F*ck
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
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"I can do it better!"
Okay.... make your own shit then.... from scratch!
He's been doing that
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own"..
Oh wait you meant the people that ruin the stories not George
@@yourdad5799 op talking about the writers that ruin things, like netflix, not people like george r r or tolkian
@@yourdad5799 movie makers not George.
"You wanna watch theRings of Power tonight?"
"Nah, iM gOoD"
Underrated comment omg 😂
Genuine question here: did you or others who hate ROP rate Jackson's LOTR or the recent Dune film? Because there are some very significant changes to the books in both. It seems that people actually don't mind or even encourage changes to books in lots of situations if an internet hate mob doesn't develop round something.
@@darthvader822 no one said anything has to be a straight copy of the book, but the story should stay true to the source material. Peter jackson even once stated, they took great care not to let personal agendas influence the movies. Sure some things like the army of the dead being were they shouldn't was questionable, but within bounds.
If you can't see the difference between lotr and rop you genuinely can't think, have no taste and your opinion doesn't matter.
@@darthvader822 you actually think you're making a point with this drivel? you really can't do better LOL
man i spit out my coffee :D
couldn't watch the first episode til the end without puking :D
Writers and directors adhere to original story and care about it: millions flood in
Writers and directors throw the source material out the window: instantly flops
You'd think they would notice a trend
It's not about making money. It's about pushing "the message". Why do you think corporations hire writers who's critiques on society are capitalism = bad. Socialism = good. Heck, the Disney corporation put a "we should adopt socialism like these ants" in the latest Ant-man movie. They know it won't make as much money. They don't care. They aren't playing the same game.
@@grandarchon6969nah, they're just cynical. Disney just wanted to rake in more $$$. Unless that actually was a thing in the original comics, in which case I stand corrected.
@@XGD5layer This has nothing to do with the original comics. They've always had social messaging, although a little more subtle in the past. If you watch any of the Rip and the Silverback podcasts, they make fun of the modern stuff for it's sheer absurdity and stupidity.
They are so motivated (or blinded) by their dedication to "the message" they either believe catering to a small % of the population will make more money, or they're so narcissistic and unware, they think everyone agrees with them. After a dozen or so failures, you'd think they realize maybe "the message" isn't as popular as they'd have you believe.
@@grandarchon6969Nah, capitalism being bad and socialism being good is pretty popular and widely accepted today outside of the political class that directly benefits from exploiting millions of people like any ‘good’ capitalist would. If the movies aren’t doing well they are probably just not great movies or people just aren’t interested to begin with.
@@grandarchon6969bro you really know nothing about socialism if you think what Disney does represents or even asimilates to what socialism is. I mean they have talked about the people seizing the means of production? You are talking about the shitty morals of moder liberalism
It's insane that they don't understand that there's a reason why the book they're adapting into a movie is getting the chance of being adapted in the first place.
I mean sometimes there are changes that have to be made in order for the story to be flowing, how sometimes these people will go too far and to the point that the underlying narrative is unrecognizable. Not to mention the story they are taking from the book would be a mess.
@@kaijukingdom2686 Nobody's criticizing adaptations changing things period, bud. At least, not the people in their right mind. The creators of this stuff in Hollywood are so blatantly out of touch (more than ever before) with not only their customers but reality itself, that they can't fathom why people don't resonate with their bastardizations of pre-existing IPs that were fine as-is before they came and corrupted something good.
Because some higher up decided to do so and convinced sponsors to give him money?
Well you also need to consider the investors' idiots they hired the ape who thinks they cant do better. Personally I think someone who thinks like that shouldn't even get a chance.
We can all agree that some changes are ok. Sometimes you have to show thing in a different way or make few changes for not having 5+ hours movies… but that is “adaption”. “Changing” stuff for no reason just because this or that bs is well… bs?
""We are Evil!"
"I'm Good!"
They proceed to fighting."
Peak modern writing right here, worth of replacing what Tolkien did.
More like here's some rational takes presented as evil, fighting against some unhinged selfish Mary Sue presented as good.
lets not forget the boat dialogue. Top notch writing.
Finrod : [with her friends, Galadriel plays with a paper ship] It was a good ship, sister.
Young Galadriel : I made it just as you taught me.
Finrod : Do you know why a ship floats and a stone cannot? Because the stone sees only downward. The darkness of the water is vast and irresistible. The ship feels the darkness, as well, striving moment by moment to master her and pull her under. But the ship has a secret. For, unlike the stone, her gaze is not downward but up. Fixed upon the light that guides her, whispering of grander things than darkness ever knew.
Young Galadriel : But sometimes the lights shine just as brightly reflected in the water as they do in the sky. It's hard to say which way is up and which way is down. How am I to know which lights to follow?
[he whispers in her ear]
Young Galadriel : But that seems so simple.
Finrod : The most important truths often are. But you must learn to discern them for yourself. I won't always be here to speak them to you.
"I am all the evil"
"And I am all the good!"🤯
Sauron: "Am I the good guy, are you the good guy, what's going on here? Maybe the world isn't as black and white as you think it is. Also, I look like a woman's bedroom fantasy."
Everyone: "Seriously?"
@@Sig509 *Isaac Newton intimidatingly standing over Finrod with electricity coming out of his eyes
Screen writers really thinking they're better writers than the guy who audited the dictionary.
I'm sure it comes from the comments. If your getting 1000s of comments saying how brave and stunning you are, I think your brain assumes that transcribes to the entire world. A million subs is so tiny compared to the entire planet.
So they live in this bubble and collect feedback of people in bubble.
Strange times.
i really don't know, who is it ?
@@ocelotRev I *think* its Tolkein? He popularised/brought back the plural of multiple Dwarf as Dwarves.
They're the kinds of people who think of themselves as giants standing on the shoulders of dwarves.
Yet they didn't come up with either of those.
Or anything else that's original.
@@aidanc9396 and ones that can transform into vehicles & planes ?
Dwarvotrons
I will say that Peter Jackson managed to nail it when he did it with the Lord of the Rings. He changed a lot from the books, even removed major characters like Tom Bombadil and Glorfindel, but did it gracefully and made it serve the medium.
It CAN be done right, it just rarely is.
Because he did it to adapt the book to the screen, not to change the whole narrative.
He did some changes that were absoutely uncalled for, like Aragorn falling while battling the wolf riders, elves at Helm's deep who just die right away, wrongly assigned dialogue lines (e.g. Eomer saying Gandalf's lines), Gandalf's staff broken, Faramir taking Frodo (perhaps the worst of takes ever), etc. but in the end it still was the same story and it was crafted with love for the original story. It wasn't a cheap ripoff of a large built-in audience.
Unfortuantely, Peter Jackson also made the Hobbit trilogy...a flaming dumpster fire that wrecked the lore from the book.
@@Intranetusa He had to take over Guillermo del Toro’s project and had to work with what was given to him, it wasn’t his project to begin with. If you look at the BTS, he’s visibly frustrated and annoyed 80% of the time
@@sujan-s Nobody forced Peter Jackson to take over GdT's project, and Jackson was still ultimately responsible for making 3 movies instead of 1 or 2.
In other words, those "screenwriters" are just making fanfiction and telling everybody their headcanon is official. Some of them even do self-inserts.
Even their self inserts use self-inserts.
All they do is self inserts
That's a stretch to be called "fanfiction" more like a hate fiction, because some of them did not read the books
Self inserts are peak narcissism
most fan fictions are self insert
"I'm good." Truly some legendary writing
Jesus I've never cringed so much
"from my point of view the jedi are evil". Thanks anakin for spelling this out for us dumb people. We couldn't have figured this out by now in the 3rd movie of the prequal.
true. I need to recover from this awfulness.
the actor didn't seem to protest against it smh
@@kingmickey666 To be fair that line was pretty in-character for Anakin
Or in George’s case, the film is the film, and the book might one day be the book.
It's only been 13 years since the last book, don't worry the next one is coming soon. Then the last book in the series after that...... yeah better get Brandon Sanderson on the phone ready to finish another series for someone.
@@slipknotpurity00Lel that is exactly what I was thinking the other day, Brandon will probably be the one that finishes GoT
@@slipknotpurity00 game of thrones ruined a song of ice and fire. I tell you, the Show was probably pretty close to what the book ending was supposed to be, but since the delivery was utter dogshit, george is afraid that it will affect the books negativly - wich would probably correct.
Just a theory of mine, but i would actually bet on it.
Otherwise the only explanation i can think of, as to why he takes so long for the last book would be laziness i suppose ?
I mean, he told the Producers of Game of Thrones the ending - so he already had it laid out. He just needed to write it down, but somehow it takes him more then 12 years at this point ?
Nah, it definitly has to do with the series.
Maybe when a House of Dragons didnt fuck up its ending and was good from start to end, we can hope for the last book.
If Martin lives that long.
But me personally, i gotta say it took him so long - i lost all interrest in the whole franchise. Tried to watch a House of Dragons and will it was better then the last seasons of GoT, it wasnt good enough for me to reignate the interesst to a level that comes close to when the first season of GoT aired.
@@slipknotpurity00 Hey, don't get snarky about Robert Jordan, only reason he didn't finish the series is because he literally died.
@@TheBlackfall234 There's a reason that each book in the series has taken longer than the last, and that's because with each book the world becomes more complex.
Then add on top of that that he wants it to end a certain way, he has the monumental task of working out how all the pieces in the gigantic world he has created can move in a believable and entertaining way so that it finishes the way that he wants it to.
Honestly he might just not be able to do it.
Remember that one interview with Peter Jackson? The one where he goes "Tolkien was really specific about _his_ values and _his_ message, so we thought it was only right to let that shine through as much as possible. You know.. the banal beauty of the countryside. The corruption of man. The need for good people to stand against evil. The fact that even the simplest and humblest of people can make the world a better place."
Something like that, I'm probably paraphrasing heavily. Anyhow, this was in 2001. I think that was the _last time_ anyone in Hollywood had such a thought.
Even then, though, Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh were voicing their desire to punch it up or shape it in ways that comported with their preferences. Happily however this was kept to a manageable minimum and their “contributions” were relatively easy to edit out or deflect.
Yeah, PJ showed amazing respect for the source material, even when there were things he doesn't agreed.
It's totally okay to have SOME changes for the sake of adaptation only. It's impossible for a movie to show everything on a book, many things will be kept off.
But it's really offensive (not to the fans, but to the author) to changes thing because you think you can "make it better". Something we sadly see a lot today.
It was well known the Tolkien family did not like the films.
@@superpantman Only one brother or son not sure who it was defended the legacy after that it was done for.
On the flipside, when Netflix approached Oda Eiichiro for the rights to make a live action adaptation of One Piece, they asked him if they could buy the rights to the show and he said flat out "No, you may not. But you can borrow my IP if you promise that you will make absolutely zero changes to the characters and the narrative."
Well obviously they did make changes, but he had to approve them. There is no way you can not change things considering One piece is well over 1000 episodes.
@squiggs1002 not to mention with the IP being borrowed you never know if the thing would even get a season 2 so I understand why some changes were done though the overall narrative didn't change much
@@squiggs1002 "episodes"
You do realize the anime is already an adaptation of his work, right? The man makes comics.
@@seigeengine Yeah but there are 1000+ chapters as well.
So Grr Martin (pun intended for the grumbling old man) had to be better and not sign away his rights. He actually isn’t based but a whiney b*tch about failing to protect his works (he sold it for money, don’t let the bs fool you).
“I drove my car into a tree, obviously the trees fault” - Grrrrrr Martin
Artemis Fowl: villain protagonist
Disney: "Too risky, let's play it safe!"
I would love to see this as a series but damn they would never
Fr I’d love to see them hard reboot that dumpster fire
I loved reading those books as a kid, even if I don't think I understood everything in hindsight. Could someone spell out for me exactly how bad the adaptation was, since I never saw it?
I was so angry about Artemis Fowl...
@@ClockworkBees From what I heard (did see the "movie", just watxhed a review of it) it made the Butler and his little sister black, the butler is no longer jacked, the raid takes place in broad daylight, Artemis is not a menace to society and the underground for kidnapping his dad, his mom (in the movie) is dead and not a depressed alcoholic, and everything and everyones actions is boarderline nonsensical.
He's completely right. I'm tired of these talentless people changing things for "Modern audiences" only for it to flop majority of the time. There was a time where people who were actually talented were the one's making changes now it's being left to producers and screen writers that either have no successes under their belt or it'll actually be their first time doing it as they destroy major franchises. Usually people would use Lord of The Rings as example of something that's received big changes but for the better but times have changed and we can't trust these people to pull off something like that anymore.
It's actually just cynical career advancement, they want the writing credit, they have to make a certain number of changes to get that credit, that's all it is.
Wow. Your English is terrible.
Makes me think about some (very small number) of twitter artists that takes a character, a design or a drawing, makes the character ugly, phat or whatnot, deliver a worse quality product and say they "fixed it"
But in the writer's case, they have the notoriety to do harm
Nothing wrong with changing things if it works
@@megaham1552 except it never works. it only gets worse
George learned the hard way with the last couple seasons of og GoT.
And hotd
To be fair, there wasn't any source material for the directors to create later seasons upon, if George had written another book by then things might have been different.
@@computerexperts903 There was plenty of source material. AFFC or ADWD was barely adapted and they cut half of the characters from the book out of the show because they wanted to hurry up and move to Star Wars.
@@raelowe1034 and for the season 8, they dont have Star wars. Poetic Justice.
@@raelowe1034and never got to Star Wars because of how bad they fucked GoT up.
Even people who did not read the books can see exactly where the source material ended and the TV writers took over on GoT. It became full of plot armor and only a "Class A character can kill another class A character". Martin knew exactly what could be cut from the story not to impact the overall show... the TV writers simply did not.
What really changed in the deaths of characters before and after they took over is that ASOIAF deaths happen when it seems that the characters still have MUCH to do, and their death puts the story in a completely new direction. GOT post-takeover deaths are made only to slim down the cast. D&D killed characters they didn't know how to handle, so their death doesn't change anything in the genreal direction of the story.
Danny kinda forgot about the iron fleet.
@@neutronalchemist3241bro they even killed barristan selmy because they didn’t like the actor
The show was going to shit as early as season 3. The missing characters and plot points, the change of personality of certain characters was leading the show to failure. The show writers didn’t know how to handle ASOIAF so they cut so many corners to try to advance the story.
@@Sig509 Euron sure learned how to use instant transmission to teleport himself all over the 7 kingdoms
"I'm good" You know what, I don't need the context on that. It's hot dog water.
Hot? I doubt these writers even know how to boil water.
By that you mean fresh canine urine, not the brine from tinned or jarred meat tubes.
is it dog water of a high temperature or is it hotdog water
Mountain Dew or Crab Juice?
Even if it were written well, the delivery makes it sound like he's passing on a combo meal.
You know what’s crazy to me is in this era of movies tv shows etc etc if a screen writer/show runner actually stayed true to the source material (as close as can be done without changing things) you know us the viewers would lift them up like they are lisan al gaib.
Funny that you referenced Dune, I thought the film was better than the source material. Maybe Dune is the 1% that he was talking about
@@urbanracer01 small changes are acceptable.
I dont agree with how they changed Chani from someone who understood what Paul was doing into angry girlboss number 9000.
"true to the source material" isn't really feasible or good for a movie/show. What matters is proper respect and reverence to the source material. Trying your best to make the vision of the author and their fans visible on screen. That's what happened with the original LotR movie trilogy. Despite deviating in various ways (which at the time was also critiqued by book readers, but they couldn't have foreseen the current film era), the essence has been preserved and the team was incredibly passionate and on a mission to make the best thing possible at the time.
You don't ever see the same amount of passion and resourcefullness on any movie currently.
@@mrfun177 ya chani was a likeable character even in the 80's movie, now i fucking hate her thanks to dune 2
@@aramythr5965 I disagree. Give me a billion dollars and name a source and i'll make it the same.
"Put a chick in it, make it lame and gay!"
Turns out people took the South Park joke seriously. What a shame.
Sauron: "I'm bad!"
Sauron basically does say this… repeatedly and get ignored by the “Good person”.
Sauron: "Got this necklace off a dead guy."
Galadriel: ...(I can fix him.)
Love story.
Sauron: "WHO'S BAD?"
And that's when Sauron breaks out the michael jackson dance moves.
I'm bad mmmkay
Ruined Ender's Game, ruined The Witcher, ruined Wheel of Time. That was pretty much my childhood right there.
Also Percy Jackson and Avatar: The Last Airbender
I guess I'm glad that I never watched the Ender's game adaptation. I loved the book even though I couldn't bring myself to read the following books after.
@@DarkAoiishi The direct "sequels" weren't very good and had almost nothing to do with Ender's Game. But the Shadow series of books, which were basically Ender's Game but told from other perspectives, were pretty good. I especially enjoyed Shadow of the Hegemon which is about Peter, and Shadow of a Giant which is about Bean.
@@DarkAoiishi I had seen The Amazing Atheist review, or rather ripping apart of it. So I didn't watch it for years, then found it on a hard-drive I found, so I watched it just as I had some curiosity how they would handle the 0-g battles. And it was mostly focused on the drama, not the interesting possibilities of fights in 3D space.
I'd not even just watch an extract of just those scenes, lol. Complete garbage.
for me the awful episode (WOT) was s2e8 it was all chaotic no grace in the fighting scene its like taking a round about without traffic rulez i almost didnt finish watching.
Looks like George finally realized the answer to his own question about why fanbases celebrate the demise of a horrendous adaptation.
As if, he is too fat to hold up a mirror to his own face and arguments.
Took him a while.
Did he acknowledge he was wrong before or is he acting like he always think this
@@om58499 Most probably not, I would guess.
@@om58499 He's acting. I remember GOT season 8.
"Tolkien may have been a legendary linguist and philologist who's writings changed the world and invented a new genre, and I may be an uncredited screenwriter who's stuff was so bad that it had to be rewritten, but I bet I could do it better than the source material."
He is actually so right that I believe twitter wont acknowledge it and they'll cancel him or something
He is but for the last years he was on their side attacking people who complain about it.
@@keyos4398 wrong :)
the irony is, the tv show was better than his books. his writing is kind of boring and wordy
@@CrabGodism What the hell? Now maybe it’s because it’s changing, but as a writer you’d go crazy if you didn’t change it somehow,” he said. “You want to tell new stories, not tell the same stories over and over again.” quote form his interview with joe price from complex .
This was after he complained about the fans who werent happy with star wars star trek and rings of power.
@@CaptainTodger69yeah no, after season 4 GOT was trash
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own"..
What are you quoting?
@@BurgerFlips lord of the rings
@@BurgerFlipsit's a, I believe paraphrased quote, from Tolkien regarding all things evil in lord of the rings. How orcs are bastardised elves, or at the very least, not a true creation in the way humans and elves are.
At least get the quote right.
@@BurgerFlipsKay Williams.
"I'm good" top tier writing there...
can you tell my why its bad?
Ikr? I mean who the heck looked at this script and thought "sound's good, let's go with it"?
@@imdunes because it doesnt respond to anyone.
@@mintrisanato Its a direct response to the mystics and a realization within himself. What do you mean?
To be fair, the only good thing about RoP is that mysterious Istar.
GRRM is alot of things that the fans dislike about him (lazy, unproductive, unnecessarily horny, doesn't shower), but one thing he is not his a bad writer. The reason GoT season 1 is so good is because its fucking verbatim the books
Here's their secret: they don't read the source material - they can't even be bothered to read comic books let alone full length books.
The fact they'd even admit this is baffling. It's a level of contemptuous incompetence that almost feels unreal in it's potency.
It's honestly baffling why so many studios hire writers that don't care about the source material they will work on, let alone be in charge of the project.
@@ablackbunny3149 a degree of nepotism. It's about knowing the right people, and most of their subhuman kind all went to the same liberal art classes.
@@denkerbosu3551 The world makes a lot more sense when you come to learn that most jobs are filled with nepotism.
They like the cultural *aesthetic.* The original themes, meaning, and intention of works are antithetical to their own egoist "interpretation".
Imagine walking up to a Monet, Picasso, Rembrandt, etc in a museum, whipping out a brush and paint, and "making it your own."
I mean, artists paint their own version of master's work all the time.
@@seigeengine True, I feel like the difference in art lies in the skill and motivation. Paying homage to something with your own style is completely different than screenwriters blatantly using popular media as a backdrop to tell their own stories.
@@seigeengine What? No they don't. For fun maybe, but not as serious pieces of work, and certainly not with the intent to be put up for sale in a gallery.
@@aarondimoff5180 it was a usual practice some hundreds years ago, but they were the literal apprentices of the said master and did so to learn, not to present it is as their creation.
@@aarondimoff5180 What a hilarious combination of naivete and conceited ignorance.
For a second I was worried he died.
fr right before the Elden Ring DLC got me fucked up
How did you get that from the title?
He's not permitted to die before he delivers two remaining books.
He will pass away before he ever finishes the last two books
@@NikopolAUYeah that ain't ever gonna happen buddy lol.
If you look at Tolkien's world. He made an intricate history with languages and lore. And a story to go with that world. Almost as if he intended for people to build UPON that world. Not rebuild what is already there. If they had made their own story, on Tolkien's world without changing anything. It could at worse only be "meh". But when you ruin established characters with badly written dialogues, when the man himself (Tolkien) literally had characters written for a reason, with a reason.
Take this example from Rings of power. Gandalf shows his powers "I AM GOOD". That was cringe as hell. Meanwhile at the end when he says "When in doubt (insert hobbits name), always follow your nose". It was probably one of the best lines in the entire show. That quote is straight from Peter Jackson's movie. And it works because Jackson showed more respect towards the characters due to well written dialogue. Him and his team studied the books, the characters. And they went from there.
Jackson had to re-write shit as well, but he never once disprespected the source material. Which is why the trilogy still holds up today. Two decades later. The only thing i missed from the books were the War in the Shire. The final battle showing the growth of the hobbits as they return home from their journey. I understand why he didn't have it in there, i accept it. But i don't like it. But he respected the source material.
Ronald Dahl is underrated
H'es right up there with JRR Tolken.
Roald Dahl
Ronald McDonald is overrated
@@rpgadventurer32 See, the joke was that asblastgold mispronounced both Roald Dahl and Tolkien, but apparently that went way over your head...
@@malchir4036 yeah, but also some people deserve a simp or infinite
It’s like taking a wonderful filet mignon cooked by a renowned chef and handing it to a short order chef to be turned into ground beef and thinking it’s going to be better.
Except in this case the short order cook throws out the filet and instead pulls some garbage out of the trash and mushes it into a shape similar to the filet, and calls it a filet.
@@ColinFox That would imply they created something on their own - more likely they took some of their own literal body waste and mixed it into the ground up mignon, thinking it would be better
i mean if you can turn that into a cheeseburger I wouldn't mind XD
"..don't send it to me and expect me to prove it or something."
Horikoshi: This guy understands me.
But do send him the fan art.
He said "approve" not "prove". Bad subtitles.
Idk, seems with the last few seasons he's been caving into the BakuDeku stuff
@@isaaccooper862 Mangakas do use fujo bait all the time, there's a market for it. Boku no Hero has it on most main characters, you can't even pretend it's not there.
@@shiroi5672 Oh so it's bait then, I thought he was caving in, cause it seemed like in recent seasons he really tried to do the BakuDeku thing. But I know basically people go crazy for all the same sex ships in the show, it was one of the things thy put me off from My Hero for so long until I checked it out myself
1:08 The ONLY exceptions to this, the 1's out of thousands who did improve it were V for Vendetta and (though I dislike it intensely) Watchmen.
What about the Curious Case of Benjamin Button?
Coraline, Fight Club
Harry potter, might die from that but whatever
This generation doesn't know the name Kubrick.
A clock work orange
The shining
Even Spartacus.
V for Vendetta, 💯. Watchmen… not so much…
''Ronald'' Dahl, Im lovin it.
Ronaldo.
Fucker never read Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? The BFG? Danny Champion of the World? James and the Giant Peach?
Well. his name does sound like a typo, like they meant to call him Ronald but accidentally misspelled it.
@@lukajagodanovic9274 yeah, only that it's not. And if you are not completely illiterate, you might have heard of Roald Dahl before.
He explained once that the pronunciation of his name sounds like "Ruald" since it's from norwegian origin; still a far cry from "Ronald"!
"How has everything become so toxic? It used to be that if you were a fan of Star Trek, you liked Star Trek. Now it seems like half of the people calling themselves Star Trek fans, hate Star Trek, and the Star Wars fans hate Star Wars, and the Tolkien fans hate Rings of Power, what the hell, maybe it's because it's changing..."
- George R.R. Martin
Context: he was talking about people hating on things that aren't even out yet
Context: he was talking about people hating on things in the active sense of posting online about it heatedly instead of just disliking it and not watching it
Why are you shitting on my plate?
How do you know it's shit? It isn't even out yet?
PLOOOOP!
Yep, it's shit! Just like we thought!
@@seigeengine Bigger context: he had already sold his soul to a corporation to shit on his magnum opus for money
Thus I cannot take him seriously.
Also, to quote another fantasy writer, if I serve you a steaming pile of shit, you dont (or shouldnt) need to taste it to know its not a beefsteak.
@@seigeengine real context here :situation a)I like the change because it align with my personal preferences and situation b) I don't.
@@seigeengine Faithful representation of intent? On RUclips? Surely not
We just blindly share quotes without actually thinking about the intent here. As seen above.
just like the art twitter post “fixed” but on the larger medium
true af
Amazon: Would you like to watch Rings of Power?
Me: 2:13
Underrated
I’m a massive bookworm and the same crap happens in this community as well. The amount of “booktubers” who think they can write it better than the author is so funny they say they would do a better job and when they do try their crap ends up on kindle unlimited or kindle for like 70p (cents) with like 10 reviews and forgotten. These people are insane and can’t do anything for themselves and have no talent so they want to take over someone else who is talented and ruin it. They are actually insane and I hate them so much for trying cancel and ruin amazing books and films.
To be fair it's somewhat luck whether you get published or famous. Herbert had to get car manual publishers to publish Dune, after getting turned down a million times.
less than 1% of books sell more than 1000 copies. You could be the greatest writer in the world and there is an overwhelming chance you will never sell more than 1000 copies. The entire publishing industries stays afloat on Celebrity/politician biographies and similar, thats it.
I have no doubt some of these booktubers are pretty bad but even if they weren't they would still never sell books anywhere but kindle unlimited lol.
Or the video esseyers reviewing movies and trying to rewrite the movie script to "make it better". I have been working on a story for a film for like 2 years now (on and off course as it is a creative endeavour) and that shit is pretty hard. To have a good sense of characters, their motivtions, needs, wants, obstackles in the world, challenges, the world itself, how other characters influence things. I got to a point where i had to scratch everything because I wanted X to happen and it did not make any sense with the rules I established.
@geekyc. What do you mean? I've never seen any booktuber try to rewrite a book let alone then publish it.
Booktube/Booktok is crazy from what I have heard, it's why I'm not going anywhere near that scene.
There is some great fan fiction out there, the problem is these writers are not fans, they hate the source material, and they hate the fans.
I doubt it's hate, I think it's ignorance born from apathy. They just don't care what's in the books, probably don't care to read them either.
The best fanfiction I ever read was based on that shitty Tom Cruise The Mummy movie. It turned the archaeologist chick into the protagonist, slowly fall to the dark side, and had Ahmanet and the bad guys win and how that might actually work. Basically justified the film's existence in the first place imho.
@@jed1natmine is a snoot game fanfic.
Fanfic also implies that you sit down and write a story out of your love for the thing, like you wrote the story not to improve it but just because you love it.
@@jed1nat I agree the writers on that thing seemed to be forcing a narrative for this Universal Studios Dark Universe that flopped hard on that movie alone
If you want to do something like that you have to simplify and just do one movie as a test (Ironman for example was a test and had great story writers)
The Witcher 3 trailer "Killing Monster" is almost 3 minutes long, but it's gigantically better than Netflix.
Same with the launch trailer “a night to remember” that foreshadowed the expansion
There is more atmosphere, depth and character development in those two short clips than there was in the entire show. You know EXACTLY what kind of man Geralt is and how the Witcher world works after watching those trailers alone.
Even the old Polish TV series (2001) is better than Netflix adaptation.
It's good that an author is speaking out, especially one with some pull in the entertainment industry like, George R.R. Martin.
Aaah the legendary Ronald Dahl
I grimaced.
RONALDO? I wheezed at the chat
Of all the people who should be pissed about show runners messing up authors work, that guy should be the most pissed
Not really. His book series isnt even finished.
@@adamtideman4953 Agreed, I hate when ppl give him a pass for what happened with Game of Thrones. That story is never going to get done in his lifetime. It's sad because it would be one of the greatest sagas ever written but, if Tyrion's saga in the sea was any indication, Idk if he wants to or can do it at this point.
@NerdletteGaming @adamtideman4953
You guys seem to be assuming I’m specifically talking about the end of the show. I’m not. Didn’t he tell them how he plans on ending the books? I always thought it likely that most of the worst parts of the last season were probably his ideas and the show probably just didn’t have enough run time to really do it well. But think most of the changes the show made after season one take a lot away from his story. Obviously they have to change things to make the show. But I don’t like most of the changes they made throughout the series. I’ve watched many interviews where he doesn’t specifically talk poorly of the show, but the way he answers a lot of questions make it seem like he’s not very happy.
@@Eatbutternow I honestly think they had they own ending in mind since they started the show. It’s the only way to understand the changes they made. After season 4 it just became so bastardized compared to the books that even if George told them his ending there is no way they could have gotten it remotely close with everything they cut and changed. Like bran being king is certainly a possibility, but he won’t be THE king he will be A king. Daenerys has been fighting the system her ancestors started (slavery) basically from book 1 so having her come to Westeros and end up dissolving the 7k is entirely within her character. No faegon, no crazy blood magic Euron, no dornish plot, no lady stone heart, too much was left out , I can’t possibly see how they could tie in any ending George gave them. Hence why it was so shit.
It's crazy to think that they forget these stories and books got popular because the person that originally made them made it good. Why do they think "changing it up" is going to ever be received well? I think the biggest thing is that people don't understand the essence of the material, they just see a story and think it can be different or they can inject their opinion/agendas and it will magically be "good".
As amongold says, if you are confident you can make a book as good as some of these popular stories, make one yourself rather than trying to edit someone else's work.
I think it's understandable in the old sense of "changing it for the format". You can't (usually) make a visual medium the same you do a literary one. But these people obviously have no intention of just making the best version of it in another format--they are out and vocal about doing it to piss off the fans.
Because sometimes it works. Sometimes you get adaptations which are quite different from the original, and either better or sufficiently different and good for different reasons. The issue is that these people think they can produce one of those with committees of talentless hacks pursuing contradictory goals, writing for an audience that only exists hypothetically. They want to change the material to be better, but they don't want to take any risks. They want to write something that appeals to a mythical "average" consumer. They want something different and interesting enough to appeal to a wide audience, but bland and mushy enough to not turn any of that hypothetical audience away. This wouldn't work any better if they weren't adapting things, which is what they've figured out, because if they produce another mindless, mechanical cashgrab with the name of some popular brand from the 90s on it, idiots will immediately forget all the other terrible adaptations and rationalize about how this one will be different, before donating their money to those some soulless bureaucrats who are "ruining" their favorite things from their childhood.
A lot of the time this happens because the director or writer actually wanted to make a different movie, but it got rejected because it wasn't good. However, they were allowed to make it by making it about an already-liked franchise - because that way there is a "guaranteed" audience.
@@tzaphkielconficturus7136 99% of the time it doesn't work. So can we stop killing franchises when changing the source material has proven to always make it worse?
One thing that is worth mentioning is that Rings of Power being that terrible is not entirely the writers fault, it’s Amazon’s corporate greed. They didn’t have the rights to adapt directly from the Silmarilion or any of the Tolkien books, but decided to do the show anyway, condemning it to be nothing more than a fan fiction.
The writers still wrote a gratuitously cringey script, with all Amazon's corporate stipulations, I don't think they demanded that it be THAT bad. Amazon does get the blame for hiring the empty headed talentless egotists to begin with.
@@CamoflaugeDinosaue yeah of course. It’s both the writers and Amazon’s. Amazon doomed it to be a fan fic, but the writers made it into a 14yo girl fan fic.
Nah, Tolkien explicitly said no allegories in his work and Amazon and their people decided that modern issues have to be present on the show. They knew what they were doing.
@@EduFirenze you literally agreed with me
IDK... Rings of Power gave us the decades best on liners
" A dog can bark at the moon...
BUT IT CAN NOT BRING IT DOWN ! "
" The Sea is always right !
(altogether now)
The Sea is always right !"
" You have not seen what i have seen."
..I have.
No.. You have not seen what I have seen"
I broke down in tears and was hospitalized after hearing those pearls of wisdom.
Holy shit that is 12 year old level of writing proficiency
@@hago3779 yup, diversity hires. these people couldn't pass english comp 101
I want to see how physicists would respond to this quote: “Do you know why a ship floats, and a stone cannot?” asks Finrod. “Because the stone sees only downward. The darkness of the water is vast, and irresistible. The ship sees the darkness as well, striving moment by moment to master her, and pull her under. But the ship has a secret. For unlike the stone, her gaze is not downward, but up, fixed upon the light that guides her, whispering of grander things than darkness ever knew.” This pseudo philosophy is pure comedy.🤣🤣🤣
@@mariusmitre492 Stone can float, on something like honey. A ship doesn't float, on something like the air. 🤷♂
@@mariusmitre492 Also, what do they mean with stone? Where did they come up with the darkness in water being irresistable, makes no sense. The ship tries to pull the darkness under? Whispering of grander things.. what things? Just things, you know, you make up the dialogue, not us the screenwriters. You can write a whole book one why even just this extract is complete nonse.
That's exactly why the One Piece adaptation on Netflix was a succes, they created the show with the official creator of the manga/anime beside them. He had the final word, if he wanted otherwise, it was going to change or the show wouldn't launch.
It's not a success, nobody watched it because it's a lame looking live action with low budget. It does not matter who oversaw it when it looks like sh t.
@@johnjack3578
LOL, what are you even talking about dude? It broke Netflix's viewership records with 71.6 million views globally and was pretty well received by fans and journalists alike :D
You can not like it but stop blatantly lying about it.
@@johnjack3578 I'm one of the people that hasn't watched it and even I know it's a massive success lmao. It's objectively made well in terms of a live action because the actors and creators gave it their all and actually gave a crap about the source material.
@@johnjack3578you're out of touch with reality if you can't see how successful it was
@@johnjack3578 nice ragebait
I love fanfic (I mean I write it) but he's absolutely right that showing it off to the og writer unprompted is. Very much frowned upon, even in fanfic circles.
The fan in fanfic is supposed to mean by fans for fans. Not by fans for the writer. It's you going "I love this so much, anybody like this that much too?" and a bunch of people going "Yeeee."
It's helped me massively improve my own writing because I try to achieve something comparable to my favorite authors and study how they write.
I also feel like he was mainly talking (or rather sent I suppose) about the fanfics that purely focus on shipping/sexual scenes between characters with not much regard for how the characters are themselves 🥲
Edit. Just going off of the next sentence he mentions. And I wouldn't be surprised if those people that write that kind are the ones sending it
@@Najemniczkas The Hound looked deeply into King Joffery's eyes.....lustfully he growls....."Fuck the King...." Joffery: Yes, Daddy.
The writer: Why didn't G.R.R.M like my fanfic???
@@slickwillie3186 yeah, more or less...
every video essay on youtube on rings of power was more entertaining than the show
Season 2 dropping in August I think
won't watch it
but the YT videos will be glorious!
Critical Drinker's videos hit over a million views.
You completely undermined your point (well, George’s point) with that last clip.
“I’m Good”
Such powerful writing!
The difference between them is that he is a writer because of hard work and she is a screenwriter because she went yachting.
When you realize just how many people get their job because of nepotism, the world makes a lot more sense.
It's not just something a few snobby elites do. It's most jobs.
How do you pronounce "Yatching"? I'm not sure that's even an actual word but English isn't my first language so I'm genuinely curious.
@@AzraelAlpha yacht is a large private boat (usually owned by rich people). Yachting means went to a party on a yacht. Pronounced as yoting.
@@rhrishikeshsane5450yaw-ting
@seigeengine wow that actually does improve my sense of the world.
Evil doesn't create only corrupts everything it touches...
But evil sees itself as good and good as evil. So who is evil?
@@jaroslavpesek6642 Evil doesn't see good as evil just as a threat to itself.
The Wheel of TIme is a disgrace of an adaptation.
They're all the fucking same. Like the whole "Syfy" look to shows on that network. It isn't even really the franchise; just another generic "medieval" show filled with 90% african americans with British accents with a popular brand name slapped on it at the last second.
Unironically kinda enjoyed the 2nd season. At the very least its leagues above rings of power.
It is. As a massive almost life-long fan of the series it feels like getting repeatedly slapped in the face and spat on every five minutes watching the "adaptation". I have to say, however, even the Wheel of Time adaptation comes off as almost award-worthy compared to The Rings of Power. The latter is by far the greatest cinematic belly flop I've ever witnessed.
@@zeriel9148it's why I watch anime only nowadays. The wrong side won the war.
@@epicadventureturtle1363 yeah while it's sad that none of these shows are as good as they could be, at least some are... slightly better
I don't think you have to follow a book 1:1 to adapt it but the problem is when these writers and producers decide to change things for the sake of "being different". There are certainly things that might be necessary to change but often those are not the things they are looking for when deciding to make changes.
George R.R martin finishing his last book like Chris Roberts trying to finish Star Citizen.
Star Citizen has actually been finished for a while… it’s a new type of game called “free to pay”.
@@Some1Any1No1 lol
Dude allowed the Velaryons to be black in HOTD despite it being a massive plot hole
Oh don't forget they let a character live in HotD instead of being killed like in F&B, despite it also being a massive plot hole, simply because the character was portrayed as gay.
@@silverwolfe3636wait I had no idea 😂
Probably they wouldnt even let him do the series if that wasnt added to it. Skipping diversity quotas is almost illegal for these absurd ppl
Maybe he just phoned it in or something
He was also the one wondering why are fans so "toxic" about things being changed, but now hes based?
No, he's not based. He was lambasting fans for complaining about lore changes when RoP came out. Now he's changing his tune because RoP flopped.
This. Such short memories we have. He's worried he'll be tarred and feathered along with the Adapted for Modern Audiences crowd. He's so desperate to become the modern Tolkien.
Same with Andrzej Sapkowski. He sold the rights to the witcher to cd projekt red despite them telling him to get a better deal from himself. He thought they'd amount to nothing. He then sued them after the witcher became successful. The witcher would not be where it is today without cd projekt red. I don't think Andrzej even writes any of the new books anymore lol
Yeah George is kinda insufferable as of late. At this point it’s hard to even be a fan when he’s waited this long to release the next book. Definitely cares about the money the most, why he focuses on these useless side projects
@@Accorinrin Did you ever watch Breaking Bad? That guy also sold his creation for $5k.
Andrzhej was totally right. All this bullshit "a deal is a deal" is stupid and unfair.
And Martin probably felt he should defend GoT. Maybe you forgot, but first seasons were as good as it gets.
Also, for me - Martin IS modern Tolkien. Nobody else even close. I just hope he will finish the books one day.
Yea people forget that
"I'm good". What an epic delivered line in fantasy. The epicness is surreal!
He summarized the last decade of entertainement industry. Hundreds of copycats with big egos.
I'm not against fan fiction. Because fan fiction isn't written from a place of insult & disgust for the source material. In fact all the fan fiction writers & artists I have ever encountered in my 20 years of existence were actual fans of the IP, they wrote the fanfic because they have immense respect for the original writer & his/her IP. They were willing to put so much effort & time into the fan fiction because they liked the IP in the first place. They were simply exploring the "What if" scenario with their fanfics. An alternate timeline.
So the problem isn't fan fiction. The real problem are these woke people at Hollywood & gaming industry who hate the IP & they have an agenda/propaganda they wanna insert in these pieces of art. They look at an IP with ill intentions & have no respect for it. They are not fans of the work, they are activists who wanna change it to feel morally superior. They actively insult the real fans of the IP & make everything about themselves.
Basically fan fictions are made by hardcore fans & the community whereas whatever these clowns at Hollywood are making is not a fanfic because these writers & directors are not an actual fan to begin with. Most of them haven't even read the source material. These are talentless people who are just there to get rich off someone else's work & also promote their ideology & propaganda in the process
It's funny cause videogames and movies communities are the only places they feel like they have control and if they pull that elsewhere they'll be immediately shunned off and called a POS.
Perfect explanation for those self absorbed woke activists
What does "IP" mean?
@@jonatandjurachkovitch460 intellectual property
@@jonatandjurachkovitch460 Intellectual property
The irony is that GRRM bashed on Star Wars fans for calling out creators for doing the exact same thing, saying that they were just hating on it just to hate on it.
Indeed; a couple of years ago the same GRRM complained about "toxic fans" not liking crappy woke activist writers ruining their beloved franchises. It's hard to take his twitter ramblings seriously at this point.
Star Wars wasn’t a book. It was a B grade 70s movie with two sequels. Totally different.
This...!!! I don't understand why so many people are calling him based or something. He is just a lazy hypocrite who can't get his arse off to finish his own works..!!
@@rovingmauler7410 It's still the same problem. The only thing is that now he gets it only because it affects his area of work, which is literature due to the fact he now has context, but isn't self aware to make the connection to Star Wars fans.
@@rovingmauler7410B grade 70s movie with two sequels that did far more than his glacial writing could ever do.
"Adaptation for a modern audience" sure is one dangerous phrase. There is like a 99% chance that the adaptation will be done for malicious reasons rather than actually adaptation a story's outdated setting into something people can relate to. One of those rare examples I can think of is Parasyte's Adaptation. But damn usually if you hear that phrase, you should get ready to be burnt by fire.
Unironically a lot of old horror anime really needed that whole "adaptation for a modern audience" bit that Parasyte got... because it's such a garbage cliche that someone gets to a phone booth but every damn time the line is severed because that is their way of handling outdated settings.
He's finally saying what everyone else has been saying for a decade, huh?
To be fair, I've heard his stance on this years ago too, when Game of Thrones the show was still relevant. He has also said that he does not want anyone else finishing the story or continuing it after his death.
Carries more weight when it comes from someone like him than from e.g. someone like me
He still hasn't completed winds of winterfell after a decade
Yeah, and after literally selling out his story so that others could do the exact thing he now decries.
@@VicStrange9 He did "the good creative work" and sold his IP for millions... THEY ruined his work. You're a fool.
I took a screen writing workshop a couple years ago and it really opened my eyes to why so many good ideas will never hit the light of day while so many trash ideas get made. The writing community is super small and insulated. Its an echo chamber where not being "on the team" means you will NEVER get past the MULTIPLE levels of gatekeepers and script writers that come before you EVER get close to a director or producer reading ur script. The writing community in Hollywood is almost entirely ran but the gay mafia & they will END YOUR CAREER if they think you are not behind EVERYTHING they support 100%. That workshop really turned me off writing once I realized its not really about what you write, but who you know and what you have to do to get them to back you.
People will come up with all sorts of explanations for why writing is terrible to avoid the fact that committees of soulless bureaucrats will never produce good writing, now matter how long you leave them at the typewriter.
As a struggling author, keep writing anyway. Hollywood's heading for a huge crash and new opportunities will dawn following it. If you've got a good film idea, write it down and keep it handy, since you never know when you might get a chance to use it. If nothing else, you can always go the extra mile and make it into a book.
The lesson to take from here is to never trust the mainline institutions to get things done anymore, and that thanks to the internet indie stuff can and will flourish without them.
Sounds like an excuse. As a writer who has actually sold their writing to some notable studios, like Blumhouse. I have never had to deal with this, imaginary all-powerful, gay committee you seem to have made up in your head as an excuse as to why you will never be a writer. And I don’t know if you’ve been living under a rock for the entirety of the human race’s existence, but it’s almost always about who you know-networking is the most significant improvement to one’s career, hard work only takes you so far.
@@user.Icarusif you can’t see the gay committee in how fucking gay everything that comes out now, you’re insane
@@user.Icarus No, you're wrong.
Did he just call Roald Dahl "Ronald Dahl"?
No i can't 😂
Zack disrespects Matilda so much he changed the author's name!
>George R.R. Martin
>Based
Hah, ight, sure. I'll wait for him to stop asking about Aragorn's tax plan before even remotely saying he's based
George before: "People say that they're fan of these IP's yet then say that the new stuff is grabage! What is happening?!"
George now: "Do these showrunners seriously think that they can do better than the author? None of those changes have worked out!"
Sounds like he realized what is happening and adjusted his view. What is wrong with that?
@@doggnamedchip The problem is that the issue has never been adaptations. The endless adaptations are a symptom of the problem, which is bad writers trying to hide their complete lack of skill, and George has no room to complain there.
@@doggnamedchip
What's wrong with deriding people for doing what he strawmanned viewers for disliking before? You tell me. He was lambasting fans for complaining about lore changes when RoP came out. Now he's changing his tune because RoP flopped.
Apparently, other fans can't dislike the changes. But suddenly he does, and it is SO OBvIoUs that the showrunners are being arrogant in their changes. The changes have NEVER worked out. He ALWAYS thought it was stupid.
Where did you hear his saying he adjusted his views and apologized for attacking people who called the changes garbage before? He pretty much directly said that he always thought this way".
No. In first case he was defending a show, now he is defending his own story/work. There's nuance to it, and its possible that he realized his mistake on blindly defending the shows, as he saw first hand that it's the show writers that are ruining it, and it doesnt matter who wrote the original.
@@doggnamedchip Funny how calling fans "toxic" is somehow defending... I love moral relativism. I don't have anger problems no... I just have "Righteous fury" 😂
"No matter how great the book is there always seems to be someone on hand who thinks he can do it better, eager to take the story and "improve" on it."
Exactly what I've been thinking, word for word. How ARROGANT a writer has to be to take the works of Tolkien etc. and say "I can make it better"? The level of ego behind such thinking... And when they go on strike we're supposed to care?
You're just a writer in Hollywood, Gary. Sit down, practice some humility and creativity (you clearly need both) and come up with your own horseshit.
Same guy couldn't understand how people can hate something they used to love.
This is why.
When new writers make stuff their own.
Make it woke, shit on the lore, and obsolutely bastardizes the story.
That is why people now hate Star Wars, Amazon LoTR, The last seasons of GoT etc.
You can add Megamind to the list now, but honestly I don't even think it's _because_ of the wokeness, or not caring about the lore. I think it's simply because they can't even do that well. I mean if you screenwrite... I don't know, a version of Beauty and the Beast and the Beast is a woman instead, technically, the gender doesn't actually change that much about the story.
That is, you know, if you can actually write it well.
But if you write it with the _specific intent_ of celebrating your awesome lesbian couple rather than just being like "hey, how would princess x princess affect the worldbuilding realistically, lemme study medieval France ('cause that's the setting) and ask a bunch of competent historians to make sure I get my lore as right as possible", then yeah, you're just being woke instead of legitimately trying to do something cool. Same if you're trying to make a sci-fi version of it. Like, you can, but at this point just research lore and worldbuilding to make sure you make something that's actually unique. This might be a hot take, but from what I've watched and read so far, I think people would be a lot less offended by adaptations if the writing was good.
Yep, same guy who said "I've long been an opponent of fan fiction" finally realized what all modern 'screenwriters' do is put their own poorly written fan fiction on screen.
@@twaggytheatricks4960 I don't know.
It seems like people are getting allergic to anything that even looks woke.
Apparently the new Mad Max isn't half bad, but people just see another girl boss, and check out.
@Valjean666dk sadly I think you’re correct and that’s completely by design. I have seen so much propaganda saying “you need to leave your hobbies behind and focus on this election and politics.”
The writers of the series “Sherlock” had themselves in the credits as writers and creators from the writings of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. They used his stories and updated them “for the modern audience. Yes they were well written but there is no way they could say they created Sherlock Holmes! I mean, honestly? The greatest fictional detective ever created was created by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle! Without Sherlock Holmes and his stories they have a couple of episodes in the last series that are original but without Sherlock Holmes and the other characters Doyle created they are not even detective stories.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
bro said Ronald Dahl 0:34
great Author :)
Definintely! So is Ursla K. Do-ween :)
@@hotfightinghistory9224 in fairness I can't pronounce "LeGuin". I always thought it was "luh gwin". Apparently not.
Like "Patricia Crone" is Krow-Nuh, "Juynboll" is "Jane Ball', and that's why I look like an idiot in Islamic studies before even presenting a paper.
I was looking for this comment 😂
@@HasturLaVishnu He also wrote some shit too. Like stories for playboy that involved rape etc. Switch Bitch / Some Time Never / My Uncle Oswald
Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up, she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew.
beautiful 10/10
Hey hey people
Hey hey people enjoyer?
marvelous writing, divine even some would say, in the face of the scum we are faced on netflix shows
..is this meant to prove he is wrong or something?
"The sea is always right."
-From Rings of Power
"Here is a quote of Lippmann’s book ‘Public opinion’: ‘Public opinion must be organized for the press if they are to be sound, not by the press as is the case today’. This quote says as much as this: forget the free press. It was written in 1922. Lippman is said to be the most influential journalist of the 20th century. Ever wondered why media articles around the world all look a bit similar? Now you have an idea why." ~ Mattias Desmet
This has been taken to a whole new level orchestrated in the West esp. via Uhh Ehhn global level. Not just culture, education in school curriculum is saturated with it. HR/compliance at work is constantly feeding employees "re-education courses they must complete". Its not left they're the immediate blunt tools to do the proximate job. It's global governance in the West orchestrated across the US/EU. The news-media, culture, institutions, politics - the entire edifice is suffused with with what the above quoted author is calling propaganda of totalitarianism.
If you look at the SATURATION of news on tv/radio and paper/web it's for the exact reason of creating a total blanket of propaganda with which to control and shape the population at scale: It's not to inform them at all but to control them.
It's ramped up to prodigious levels recently with so many inserts and perversion of source material even trying to "doctor" words in R. Dahl's children's books "abridged" editions while warping and perverting Tolkien's grand works.
Fan fiction is one thing, an orchestrated total strangulation hold on mass media and culture and then massive power grab into private space and public space as such are altogether speaking a very different story in the real world.
Mucho texto
@rudradixit460 No wonder we're screwed, people can't even be bothered to read a bit of text.
Wait a minute. Isn't that the same Georgie who also attack the fan no long ago?
I mean, he accepted to make Velaryon Targaryen a black man for no reason but DEI and ESG. Seems kinda hypocritical.
The black cube pays well.
It was him who said the Velaryon Targaryen was black.
Pretty ironic for George to say considering he was defending Rings of Power a few years ago. He must’ve realized how awful it is and that the fans were right.
Is this the same guy that bemoaned how fans these days were always complaining instead of just consuming product and getting stoked for next product? How did he phrase it again? Oh yes "Anti-fans" rule social media and dance on the graves of movies that flop". Better be careful George. Your starting to sound like an anti-fan. Why not shut up and consume product?
Yep that’s the same tub of lard.
Fr, Fr, he's just a toxic fan, harassing those underpaid hollywood execs.
Lol is the disastrous legacy of GOT finally dawning on him after 5 years?
He's also the same guy who started this trend by selling his work to a corporation who shat on his story.
Hes so full of it he did an interview 2 years ago having a go at star wars fans and how they couldnt be real star wars fans if they hated the new stuff. The new suff wasnt written by Lucas?
Exactly, grift shifting harder than Cuomo.
Disney went back to Lucas's original story after the last film. The TV stuff is all what Lucas planned. So I'd say that criticism is essentially valid for the streaming stuff.
@@thelawenforcerhd9654 Source? Asking for a nonexistent friend.
well these 2 statements dont conflict though. 1 story is expanded upon the other is a bad copy. however i do agree its a shitty thing to say
@thelawenforcerhd9654 “somehow palpatine returned“
Keep enjoying your girl bosses cheif.
I’m pretty split about it.
On one hand, I do agree that some writers/producers/directors can be arrogant with their treatment of the material, to the point where they might as well be writing their own story - but they would rather masquerade it as an already well-known piece of fiction. That awful “I, Robot” film with Will Smith comes especially to mind.
But on the other hand, there are adaptations that I feel actually improve the source material. Disney’s “Pinocchio” from 1940 takes a lot of liberties with the material to streamline the plot and make the character more endearing, and it’s pretty much resonated with people far more than the original (or at least for those who aren’t Italian).
I'm also warry of the whole "scenarists shouldn't change anything from the original book". In practice, that's never been true, and some great classics are adaptations that took a lot of liberties with the source material.
It's just that, as obvious as it is to say, good scenarists will manage to do it well, and bad ones will faceplant. And obviously, understanding what made the original work appealing in order to build on that is also a must.
2 weeks later...
*Proceeds to nerf blood and cheese
Difference between the writers of the original Disney movies like Pinocchio and Pocahontas was they didn’t write over the original stories, they created completely different versions separate from the original stories and made something kinda new.
The writers now days instead of doing something similar their writing has to be directly linked to the original stories and instead of just adapting them by creating a new story, they are trying to adopt them and insert their own story into the original.
This 100%. They’re just taking whatever awful script they wrote that no one wanted to touch and putting a layer of paint on it using a popular franchise.
Except Pocahontas was not a good movie at all. It was a terrible rewrite of history just to appeal to kids. There are so many better examples than that movie by Disney. Pinocchio is one of them, but there are so much more, like The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, The Great Mouse Detective, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Mulan and Hercules. I don’t know why you had to use Pocahontas as an example.
@@captainhowlerwilson508 To be fair, the true story of Pocahontas is the delusional rambling tall tale of a guy who had the hots for a VERY young native girl.
Exactly if it's Disney it's ok.
Why is nobody talking about the fact that this seems like a safe way to criticise the TV adaptation of his own show?
Like yes it applies to Rings of Power but my mind IMMEDIATELY shot to GoT season 7/8 which he is probably contractually obliged not to directly cirticise.
He had the choice to not sell out back in the day. He did, so at this point he shouldnt complain. Either that, or fully decry every single adaptation including his own and fuck HBO and the entire industry, but he wont.
He's being a hypocrite.
@@VicStrange9 'I'm going to trust you to be faithful to the material you're adapting'
'Then you shouldnt complain when that trust is broken'
Are you fucked in the head? lmao
@@VicStrange9 he's exactly the person who should complain since he's had direct experience with it and is a reputable source. Your benchmark for validity is ridiculous
The problem with this analogy is that there was no more source material to adapt because he hasn’t finished a main line asoiaf book in over 11 years
I've always been critical of _Game of Thrones_ 's final season. They truly lost the thread, didn't know what to do with the characters most of the time, and tried to Hollywood Ending the thing when the real ending is probably that everyone died. But we'll probably never know, because Martin has zero focus on finishing the books. He'll do anything _but_ write them, it seems. How long has it been now, since _A Dance With Dragons_ ? July 12, 2011 according to Google. Really, George? Almost 13 years to the day now. Will we ever really see the end of this story?
What's also pretty bad is when other productions seemed to try to imitate _Game of Thrones_ . Like _RWBY_ . They did this in their Volume 7 and 8, I think, and it didn't fit that series at all, and also made their lore and worldbuilding fall apart. Not a single character wasn't done dirty, and by the end of Volume 8, both I and my niece had decided to drop the series altogether.
Do not be _GoT_ Season 8.
The only Film I know that did it better than the source was Frank Darabont's The Mist.. the ending was so good even Stephen King got jealous that he didn't thought of it.
The Godfather. Jaws.
the black and white version is better
ah, that fcked up movie. feel bad for the man at the end when the soldier show up... dam...
I love the Mist however I can't stand that religious lady... She is like 70 percent of the movie, more screen time than the main cast. And she is basically a living strawman, all she needed was a sign saying "Hey guys, guess who's the villain? I bet you'll never guess..."
Tolkien invents new languages for his books.
Screenwriters: " so uh....we're going to ignore most of that cause we're better.
Very different from his previous rant about 'why do fans of star wars(etc) hate star wars?'
The 'i'm good line, is insane, but there is so, so so much worse in that damned show. Hell, one of the first scenes about why a boat floats and a rock doesn't, it was ridiculous.
Once I heard that line about why boats float and rocks sink, I instantly knew that the entire show was going to be a giant pile of dogshit.
I can do better! "I'm good!"
Makes Velaryons black.
"Based" yeah right
Gotta shove Africans into Eurocentric Fantasy fiction somehow amirite?
His Velaryons are white remember.
How do you think it would have gone for him if he offered a lot of pushback when HBO wanted to cast black people for those roles?
Not well. He has to negotiate with his own partners on things.
I mean the movies of lotr were quite different from the books but they respected the tone, the characters, the story. That the differance to netflix witcher. They are right when they say a movie is not a book. You cant have inner monologues and stuff like that. But thats not the point. The point is that they dont respect the source material.
there’s the video on RUclips that adds a fart sound to the „there’s a tempest in me“ scene and it perfectly fits the tone of the show
If Martin was truly based, he would finish his damn book and retcon GoT season 8
Or openly say "I sold my soul to them and they made garbage, so I should know"
@@VicStrange9 'Contractual obligation' and 'subtlety' dont mean much to you, do they?
Thats exactly what he DID say, just in a way that won't put him in legal hot water
@@GorehowlBeardhead He can basically tell them to f off if he's actually willing to put his money where his mouth is. Not to mention I wouldnt ever consider defending someone who's willing to sell his principles and become a willing slave to whatever a corporation wants him to say (which is basically what contractual obligation means).
@@VicStrange9 How very noble of you. Let me know when you have the intent to actually be useful
@@GorehowlBeardhead Makes sense that you believe having principles is useless.
No, he's not. He called out fans for hating Star Wars
That doesn't seem to bother him when producers are giving him fat paychecks to change his books tho.
I'm still under the impression that Martin used the show to try and test out how people would react to how he wanted the books to end and got scared off of completing the books because of the backlash
But his pace of writing slowed down with each book he wrote. So things seem the same as they have always been.
He already got pressure on the show success and how the end. But when SS8 happened, his pressures hight up like rocket so I guess he just release the final book just before he death so he dont have to deal with it
My take as someone who has little to no idea what they're talking about and has never read the books or even watched the show is that he wrote a giant and intricate story, but his writing style is more "let it happen and find out" rather than "meticulously plan and execute an intricate story" so he's written himself into a situation where he can't find a satisfactory way forward.
The ending itself is not the issue, but the lack of build up and sudden drop of quality in both dialogue and plot progression leading to that ending are.
Because he wants a ret****d ending. He is so into the idea of "not making the hero 'the hero'" but he knows he cannot pull it off. The only way he would write a good ending would be if he gave up and "turns out sometimes there are heroes".... but he won't, better yet.. he can't.
The whole "garden" thing is fine, until you realize that gardens never stop growing and absolutely do not reach a central point. He would have to have 10 unrelated "endings" happening in different parts of the world with characters that never met each other and make no difference in each others lives.
You: "This guy is based."
Inigo Montoya: "You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means."
Based on celebrity whoring and hypocrisy, maybe.
Keep up with evolving language. Anything that offends the sensibilities of someone with pronouns or flags in their bio is based nowadays. If it also involves statistics or directly anti woke it's 'based and red pilled'
@mandowarrior123
No, I must do nothing of the sort. The butchering of our language for the sake of being "trendy" must stop.
You don't own grammar, you like the libs don't possess the authority to tell someone how to speak, nor change definitions of words and syntax. Your demands to "get with the times" are just as ridiculous as their prefixes and pronouns!
@mandowarrior123
No, you don't own grammar, you don't have the authority to change our language and syntax to suit your trendy-ness. You are a hypocrite you don't like it when "they" do it, but you expect me to adopt your new definitions of words? Yeah ok guy 👍
@@wiscopyro Can you define it, genuinely curious.
*he really shouldn't throw stones for living in a glass house*
"I am great because I am good!" - America