Some of you asked for a dry signal with no effects. Here you go: ruclips.net/video/oVgzf2_T-_c/видео.html I was using a plugin (Neural DSP Tone King Imperial), not a real amp, so I could go back and edit the settings. This is a dry signal through the plugin with no effects and volume, bass, treble at 12 o'clock.
Leo Fender was secretly working with players and Les Paul was Leo Fenders consultant for making the broadcaster. Leo Fender was working with many other great people who helped him so don’t think Leo is god!
The Squier sounds like it has slightly more bass in both pickup positions. Other than that it was almost indistinguishable, which makes me feel really good about my made in China CV Tele, because I'll never be able to afford any more real vintage guitars since the market went insane.
Classic Vibes are made in Indonesia. One of the reasons I actually own one. I will never buy an affinity squire, as those are made in China. Not buying Chinese products isnt as hard as you’d think. I just don’t buy crap from dollar store, or Walmart, or Amazon.
@@smelltheglove2038 Classic Vibes we’re definitely made in China, for years, up until 2019 or 2020. It’s identified right in the serial numbers. The new ones are made in Indonesia and are slightly lesser quality than the Chinese made ones. Indonesia models have mini potentiometers instead of the full-sized ones, steel bridge saddles instead of brass, and less or no cavity shielding. And by the way, not everyone is against buying products from China.
The first thing I noticed was that you seemed to instantly enjoy playing the Nocaster a bit more, it looked like it was more comfortable to play for you. But both sounded amazing honestly. The Squier really shocked me how good and comparable it was. That bridge pickup on the Nocaster was really something very special though, a lot of mojo. But both sounded awesome! 🙏 and what a great idea for a video, I’ve never seen anyone compare a Squier to a real vintage Fender like this! It’s usually custom shop vs vintage so this was a great idea!
5 years ago I walked into a Canadian guitar shop (L&M) ready to buy a real Fender Tele. I had recieved approval from my 'accountant' named sweetheart, to go ahead and buy whatever I wanted for my 60th birthday. I walked over to the wall filled with teles. I picked a nice looking sunburst one. Strummed a few chords, noodle up the neck but somehow it was just kinda, hummdrum. I said to you have a CV squier I could try. I did look at a few RUclips videos and most of the reviews were pretty good. But still, I was one of those snobs who thought Brand names meant 'better', 'you get what you pay for', etc etc. Anyway, the sales guy hands me the same sunburst CV and I just strummed a couple of chords and walked out with it. Perhaps I got a lemon Fender Tele, but i don't think so. Either way, I saved at least a grand and I am no longer a Brand snob. If it sounds good to you, that's all that matters. Ive since sold my $1200.00 Taylor 12 string and bought a Vangoa for $250.00 and it sounds just as good. Good guitars can be made much better now thanks to Computers and CNC machines etc. Taylor showed us that, and fortunately, other businesses have picked up on it and are making extremely affordable comparisons.
I've been playing guitar for nearly 30 years and have owned guitars in all price ranges from budget to boutique (no vintage, though. Not yet anyway). I can say with some authority that more expensive guitars don't necessarily sound or play better than their inexpensive counterparts. Sure, the component selection and QC is often better, but at the end of the day, I could be just as happy playing my Squier Jazzmaster as my Novo Serus J. They're both awesome.
The biggest selling point for me on the Classic Vibe was the neck. I'm a bassist and a Les Paul man but was looking for Tele twang. The Squier punches way above its weight for the price. The only other Tele neck I liked was the Fender Player plus. Definitely putting in new pickups.
@@mattrogers1946 seriously. Get that digital crap outta here. Let’s here some analog sound. The digital “modeling” destroys tone. I know everyone claims they can’t tell the difference. That’s bullshit.
I was using a plugin (not a real amp), so here is a dry signal through the plugin with no effects and volume, bass, treble at 12 o'clock: ruclips.net/video/oVgzf2_T-_c/видео.html
They sound remarkably similar to my ear, but a clean signal straight to amp would have been a better comparison. Back in those days Fender also made a ton of lap steels for country music.
they sounded very similar! would be interesting if you set the pickup heights as close as you could get them because that makes a pretty big difference to the sound, if the pickup heights were matched on the two guitars they would sound even more similar.
Basic rule of physics (conservation of energy): if the body resonates, you get a shorter sustain, as energy is lost for resonating the body - which has to be substracted from the strings. It also DOES change the sound, as only the resonant frequencies sent to the body are reduced in the guitar spectrum. So there IS an effect of "tone wood" in this sense - but not what most guitarists would expect.
Great video. For future comparisons it's best to turn off the heavy effects. Or at least turn them down to a minimal volume. Also, some back & forth with & without gain. Most of what I'm hearing in the video is reverb & amp. The instruments nuances are glossed over which is going to minimize the role of the guitar in the sound, thus making pretty much any two guitars sound similar.
Thanks. I had about 20 minutes as my cousin was passing through town, so this was all I was able to get. But I’ll try to keep your advice in mind. I was using a Neural DSP plugin instead of a live amp, so I’ll try to go back and redo the comparison portion with a cleaner signal.
@@justinbishopmusic thanks for this update, I agree with the comment. I've had to unsub reviewers who insist on playing dirty. Or even with pots dimed all the time. They usually end up sounding like themselves, no matter what they're playing. I look forward to another video, see how they really compare. I might try a different bridge pickup on my Squier, just don't know which one yet. The neck pickup is very nice as is.
@@justinbishopmusic as a player of almost 50 years now, and a builder in my old age, I gotta agree. Best (if possible of course) to go straight into an old amp for true sound comparisons. There’s a whole lot of hype with vintage and custom guitars. In my book, the biggie for all out awesomeness is old, old cured wood. That DOES make a difference, and to a smaller degree, old pickups. (In certain cases) We could argue the merits of high end pickups from here to doomsday, but my position is “high dollar big name” PUs are mostly hype. I’ve kinda made a study of cheap pickups, and I mean CHEAP, eBay, diy kit, chibson knock off, et all. I’ve discovered that a simple potting and experimenting with replacement of magnets to create different vibes, lead to some seriously nice PUs! (Neodymium magnets of different sizes and strengths are my general go to)
@@camilo1455 if you’re looking for accurate sounds from RUclips videos you’re never going to find them. All the audio is compressed and lossy losing lots of the dynamics in the tone. You’ll never get an accurate portrayal on RUclips.
@@Daddy53751 I absolutely agree with you about hype being the driving force in a huge portion of pickup upgrade sales. Most of it is just a perceived gain. However, your statement about aged, dried wood for a solid-body electric like this making a substantial tonal difference for awesomeness is simply wrong, and has been incontrovertibly disproven many time over. The entire point of the solid-body design is to direct as much tonality and control as possible to the electronics, and it always has been. As a retired luthier, building and working on guitars and very high-end orchestral strings, I’ve been fortunate to hear the differences between many instruments. Even in the finest acoustic instruments, there’s far more to the construction itself (wood thickness, bracing and jointing methods, etc), than there really is in the age or even species of most woods. With electric guitars, that’s really about 99.9% thrown out. You could take the oldest, dryest Tele body and swap it for a modern Tele body, and… you would never be able to 100% tell the difference by sound alone. Why? Because there are far too many variables in an electric guitar’s sound that actually impact things. String material, gauge, pickup height and winding, wiring, and heaven forbid - the amp - just to name a few. Tonewoods for electrics is complete placebo.
Must be Classic Vibe Tele day on my feed this morning. I'll say it again.... They're pretty great guitars for the price. I got mine "used" for under 400 bucks. Still had the plastic on the pick guard and neck pup. It's not a lightweight but neither am I!😂
@@justinbishopmusic It's a question of what kind of sounds you have in mind. I was looking for something more retro but personally don't like not being able to use both pickups together so I recently changed mine to the old Broadcaster wiring, which instead of a tone control has a blend pot that allows continuously mixing the two pickups, offering sounds not possible with either of the other circuits. The other positions are: neck pickup alone and "bassy" tone as in the old Telecaster circuit. It might be an interesting alternative if you don't use the tone pot a lot in your playing, the blend pot can still take some of the "edge" off the bridge pickup.
Oh, thank you! Just looked him up…great stuff! I’m about 6 months into learning jazz, and I’m soaking it all up. A lot of the chords feel easier on my Tele, so now I have someone to emulate!
@@justinbishopmusic I love telecasters I've had about 7 or 8 of them. I had a 59 reissue that Fender came out with in the eighties I ended up selling it to a guy who played guitar for the Judds! I wish I had that 1 back LOL I have made many a jazz gig with one. Enjoy your axe bro.
The experience ive had with vintage guitars is that everything feels just right, esp the neck, whether thats down to wear n tear from years of playing or they shaved a lil more off the neck for comfort at the factory than they do these days i'm not sure, one thing i have noticed is that very often the radias of the necks seem a lil slimmer and usually theres no valute where the neck meets the headstock.. it the same on strats too and they feel immediately super comfortable, in fact they feel dam perfect and very inspiring to play.. interesting video guys n thanks for sharing.. Rock n Roll
My two CV50s are excellent buys...but I replaced pups with Lollar and Fralin and now they are absolute gems to play and hear. I also added brass saddles and removed tone pot from neck pup. Great modding platform with dimensions/specs the same as MIM/USA Fenders...and you can find a mint CV for $300 or so. YT will NOT do tone justice...have to actually play/hear the guitars in person to appreciate the difference.
Bill Frisell still plays one. Mine has a modified V neck, more of the V toward the bass E string for thumb comfort. But mine is a custom made for my liking.
I had no idea there was so much variation with neck shapes. My cousin told me later that even though Gibson calls some of their necks on guitars “50s” or “60s” necks, they actually were different almost every year and sometimes even small variations within the same year. I think this is something we lose when ordering online…you have no idea how it will really feel! Your modified V sounds interesting, and I hope to try one some day. I was definitely a fan of this soft V!
@@justinbishopmusic , well good luck with that. You don’t see modified V necks unless you get custom shop or have one made. But everyone that has played mine loves it.
generally modern fender telecasters are even heavier than the pine used in the squier classic vibes. the swamp ash fender used in the 50s got used up real quick, and by the 70s they were so heavy they were trying to do weight relief, like in the "smugger" series.
Fender was also making lap steel guitars, even before making "spanish style" guitars. That's where the pickup ideas, bridge and modular control plates came from.
I was wondering if someone would mention that. I recently heard that, and immediately was surprised that they compared the bridge to a pedal steel, without seeming to know why.
Props to Squier, they make an amazing reproduction for the price point, but that light ash body makes a world of difference. So much more air to the tones, and the pickups and wiring are amazing on the no/broadcasters. I reworked my Squier thinline to similar specs and have not for a moment regretted it, but it still pales in comparison to the genuine article.
i don't know if it's been mentioned, but you can get both pickups together on the early teles by jimmying the switch between the bridge and middle setting. just like the old strats did to get the 2 and 4 quack positions.
Sound wise, even through decent headphones, you have to be looking for the difference to hear it. As much as Leo got it right with the Tele, it’s amazing how well Squier nailed it with the CV version. Compliments to the guitar player in this video
A lot of discussion about the weight of the guitars. Yes, the Classic Vibe is made of pine and those are HOSS guitars. I love my nearly 10-lb CV. I get it's a comfort thing, but I don't really mind a heavy guitar if it's comfortable. There's a ton of history about Fender and what was going on with him/them at this time. You should check it out.
The finish on the vintage one is the stuff, but a CV sounds pretty dang good. They (CV) could use upgraded tuners, but other than that good to go. Although you can’t replicate the tone and light weight of the older vintage instruments. Older super dried wood sounds more resonance and has greater sustain.
What you're experiencing for weight is the difference in how wood is harvested now vs then. The kind of farmed wood we use now is grown quickly and is very dense and consistent. Wood at the time grew naturally, more slowly as conditions permitted. It was less dense and therefore lighter.
Such a slight differerence, it's not worth mentioning. The Squier is a no brainer, not only for the huge price difference, but if someone steals the Squier, you run down to the store and buy another. If someone steals the Fender...well you run down to the store and buy a Squier.
Imagine there was a fire, so you battle the smoke and flames to save the Nocaster...but when you get outside, and the building is engulfed in hungry flame, you look down to your pride and joy in your hand..and see Squier... 😱
As far as sound, there are many guitars under $1,000 that get very very close to much more expensive guitars. I like blind play tests the best and on many occasions, I picked the $500 guitar instead of the $5K custom shop. It would be cool to own a collection of vintage guitars but they would mostly sit around in the case. I wouldn't feel comfortable putting a vintage guitar on a stand with adult family members, pets and grand kids running around the house. If a $500 guitar was knocked over, it wouldn't be good but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
Everyone is saying they sounded similar but they sounded completely different to me. The Squier had more mid bass and the Fender had a very clear high end and kind of grungy sound on the lower notes.
I have a 2006 Nocaster Custom Shop that is that exact guitar. Mine 'was' a NOS series guitar and was wired like that as well, but I changed to a custom made control setup with original style handmade paper cap with the modern setup so no blend. Now it looks more like that original. I love those necks.
Ed Bickert and Oscar Moore switched to tele later, also Ted Greene in the 80s , while not a tele or specifically jazz Western swing guitarist Eldon shamblin used a stratocaster from the 50s onward
It's hard to compare the two in this clip, because A; at first it's too distorted and B: I think you should play the same riffs on both guitars.... 😉 But I know the '51 is a great guitar and I use a first series CV (modded, I put Fender 51 Nocaster CS pu's in it!) as a back up for my 1969 Tele. It's a good guitar, great value for the money!
The Squier is a nice guitar and a great value. The neck profile, fingerboard radius and large frets hit the contemporary high spots. The pine body is rather heavy, mine weighs as much as a Les Paul. The electronics leave a bit to be desired but are very easy to swap out for true Tele bits.
It’s funny when guys say “I bought a Squier Strat and it sounds like a Strat”! It is a Strat! Same design. Obviously it has cheaper manufacturing and parts but it’s still the same design! Same goes for Teles! A Tele sounds like a Tele! No point comparing a vintage instrument with a modern as the vintage has an expensive tone and the modern has a budget tone!😂😅😅 crazy but I prefer the Squier here! Sounds clearer! I don’t really like thin necks on Fender though.
I googled 1951 original No-Caster and found a few in the five figure price range and the Squire is $450. Is there really that big of a difference to warrant five figures difference in price?
Very cool to play a 51 Definitely a bucket list guitar They still make soft and hard V necks Production Clapton strats have v neck Warmouth makes V necks too Country Western music was popular and that’s the guys Leo was testing the 49 snakehead and eventually Tele with. That’s why he was using pedal steel bridge as well.
I’ve got my eye out for a “Baja” tele which apparently has the soft V. The Clapton strat looks super cool too, and with the active pickup boost as well. The closest thing in my collection to this neck shape is a 1962 Gretsch 6118 that I just acquired. I can’t get enough of it!
@@justinbishopmusic the Baja telecaster has a soft V indeed. I have one. I’d call it a very soft V, mostly noticeable below the 5th-7th fret. After that it’s practically non existent to me.
this video is gonna hi rocket the price of the Squiers Classic Vibe, wich is a good thing because I own one :). Honsestly I would never sell It. It´s a keeper. I paid 300 bucks in 2010 brand new! It´s one of my best guitars.
Thanks! It’s actually a “plugin” on my computer. No real amp involved. Check out Neural DSP Tone King Imperial. This has a small amount of stereo delay and reverb.
Let’s face it, the difference is in the nostalgic sentiment. In 70 years some bloke will be comparing a classic vibe and drooling over the played in feel.. 😂
As those who know have stated, use pedals, your guitar sounds like the pedal. In addition, use your tone and volume controls, might wake up your sense of tone.
I know this is a video on Telecasters but I can say this, I have a Squire Classic Vibe 50s Stratocaster and an American Professional ii Stratocaster tone wise, I prefer the Classic Vibe over the American Professional. Playability wise, I prefer the American Professional over the Classic Vibe. To remedy that problem, I bought a set of the Classic Vibe pickups and put them in the American Pro. Sounds absolutely fantastic.
May I ask what variant of Telecaster that Stephen Stills was using in the early days of CSN having only one pickup, "bridge pickup" only? I've seen it in some videos him playing it live concerts.
No one's mentioned Scotty Anderson in the comments yet, so I will. Scotty Anderson. Tele jazz player: ruclips.net/video/Wte3OGQOfkg/видео.html. I thought the Nocaster and Squier sounded totally different from each other. Not really; they sound identical. Where they may differ is in their longevity. I would expect the Squier to need refretting and general repairs and spares much sooner than the Fender, due to it being built down to a price.
My first Fender was a MIM Telecaster…It was the best! But then the guy who sold it to me bought it back for sentimental reasons. I’m such a softee! But I’m happy with this Classic Vibe for sure.
Fender marginally better. With different pickups, wiring, finish on Squier it may be even closer to sounding the same. Squier is fine though and totally a very nice guitar. I've had Fender and Squiers, both are good. It really comes down to components and how well the guitar is put together and what you like personally.
Great video 👍 this is why I am done with vintage guitars. I just don’t see the value in them. I much prefer luthier/ custom made guitars for me. Fun fact, I almost bought a 66 tele last week but backed off…because it wasn’t any special…just old and expensive
not really which better, sound wise slightly different , but different means different, not better or worse, the mainly different is the feel in hand i guess .
Right. Here's some info I found. 1950 - During the spring of this year, the Fender Electric Instruments Company introduced a single and dual pickup solid body electric guitar. It was named the Esquire, about 50 were made, and were not fitted with a truss rod. Orders were being placed, though before production started, the instrument had been modified with an adjustable neck and renamed the Broadcaster. It was renamed again a year later to the Telecaster. The rename was done due to a conflict with Gretch Broadkaster drums.
I was using a plugin (not a real amp), so here is a dry signal through the plugin with no effects and volume, bass, treble at 12 o'clock: ruclips.net/video/oVgzf2_T-_c/видео.html
It's all in your head! People seem to think just because it is vintage that it has to be better. That is all crap! I have a MIM 2006 Telecaster and a 54 2012 reissue American Fender tele and my MIM is in my opinion a better guitar. From a practical point of view the Squier is the best bang for the buck. If you are a Closet player there is no reason in spending a Mortgage payment on another Guitar that is just as good as a cheaper version. Most people would never know the difference anyways. It's all hype and in your head. Priorities people! I would rather buy 10 Squier guitars then buy one outrageously over priced vintage guitar all day.
Theres a difference, but you wouldnt notice if you arent a guitarist and being playing for some time. It more evident when listening chords. The Squier is really really close to the Nocaster sound, and a relative cheap guitar. Bravo
I was using a plugin (not a real amp), so here is a dry signal through the plugin with no effects and volume, bass, treble at 12 o'clock: ruclips.net/video/oVgzf2_T-_c/видео.html
Proof that tone is in the hands! Of course the Nocaster is a special thing to play but the Squier still sounds great. I think V necks got a bad reputation somewhere along the line. But yes, a soft V or medium V are extremely comfortable to play!
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Some of you asked for a dry signal with no effects. Here you go: ruclips.net/video/oVgzf2_T-_c/видео.html I was using a plugin (Neural DSP Tone King Imperial), not a real amp, so I could go back and edit the settings. This is a dry signal through the plugin with no effects and volume, bass, treble at 12 o'clock.
Leo Fender was secretly working with players and Les Paul was Leo Fenders consultant for making the broadcaster. Leo Fender was working with many other great people who helped him so don’t think Leo is god!
The Squier sounds like it has slightly more bass in both pickup positions. Other than that it was almost indistinguishable, which makes me feel really good about my made in China CV Tele, because I'll never be able to afford any more real vintage guitars since the market went insane.
Yeah, I’m feeling much more confident about my Squier right now too!
Whoa, dude listen with proper can at 6:30, that’s night and day
Classic Vibes are made in Indonesia. One of the reasons I actually own one. I will never buy an affinity squire, as those are made in China. Not buying Chinese products isnt as hard as you’d think. I just don’t buy crap from dollar store, or Walmart, or Amazon.
@@smelltheglove2038 Classic Vibes we’re definitely made in China, for years, up until 2019 or 2020. It’s identified right in the serial numbers. The new ones are made in Indonesia and are slightly lesser quality than the Chinese made ones. Indonesia models have mini potentiometers instead of the full-sized ones, steel bridge saddles instead of brass, and less or no cavity shielding. And by the way, not everyone is against buying products from China.
@@darwinsaye Boom! 🖐️
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The first thing I noticed was that you seemed to instantly enjoy playing the Nocaster a bit more, it looked like it was more comfortable to play for you. But both sounded amazing honestly. The Squier really shocked me how good and comparable it was. That bridge pickup on the Nocaster was really something very special though, a lot of mojo. But both sounded awesome! 🙏 and what a great idea for a video, I’ve never seen anyone compare a Squier to a real vintage Fender like this! It’s usually custom shop vs vintage so this was a great idea!
5 years ago I walked into a Canadian guitar shop (L&M) ready to buy a real Fender Tele. I had recieved approval from my 'accountant' named sweetheart, to go ahead and buy whatever I wanted for my 60th birthday. I walked over to the wall filled with teles. I picked a nice looking sunburst one. Strummed a few chords, noodle up the neck but somehow it was just kinda, hummdrum. I said to you have a CV squier I could try. I did look at a few RUclips videos and most of the reviews were pretty good. But still, I was one of those snobs who thought Brand names meant 'better', 'you get what you pay for', etc etc. Anyway, the sales guy hands me the same sunburst CV and I just strummed a couple of chords and walked out with it. Perhaps I got a lemon Fender Tele, but i don't think so. Either way, I saved at least a grand and I am no longer a Brand snob. If it sounds good to you, that's all that matters. Ive since sold my $1200.00 Taylor 12 string and bought a Vangoa for $250.00 and it sounds just as good. Good guitars can be made much better now thanks to Computers and CNC machines etc. Taylor showed us that, and fortunately, other businesses have picked up on it and are making extremely affordable comparisons.
I've been playing guitar for nearly 30 years and have owned guitars in all price ranges from budget to boutique (no vintage, though. Not yet anyway). I can say with some authority that more expensive guitars don't necessarily sound or play better than their inexpensive counterparts. Sure, the component selection and QC is often better, but at the end of the day, I could be just as happy playing my Squier Jazzmaster as my Novo Serus J. They're both awesome.
The Squire Classic Vibes are legit
Fo sho!
The biggest selling point for me on the Classic Vibe was the neck. I'm a bassist and a Les Paul man but was looking for Tele twang. The Squier punches way above its weight for the price. The only other Tele neck I liked was the Fender Player plus. Definitely putting in new pickups.
Congrats! What amp are you playing it through?
FANTASTIC NECK. Perfect, right outta the box.
Wasted opportunity. Should have thrown the pedals out the window. I would have loved to hear the instruments.
It’s done with a plug-in. I’ll reamp it dry and post an update.
Exactly! Just plug it into a 4x10 Bassman...
@@mattrogers1946 seriously. Get that digital crap outta here. Let’s here some analog sound. The digital “modeling” destroys tone. I know everyone claims they can’t tell the difference. That’s bullshit.
@E I was paying attention. The sound of kept getting in the way.
I was using a plugin (not a real amp), so here is a dry signal through the plugin with no effects and volume, bass, treble at 12 o'clock: ruclips.net/video/oVgzf2_T-_c/видео.html
They sound remarkably similar to my ear, but a clean signal straight to amp would have been a better comparison.
Back in those days Fender also made a ton of lap steels for country music.
they sounded very similar! would be interesting if you set the pickup heights as close as you could get them because that makes a pretty big difference to the sound, if the pickup heights were matched on the two guitars they would sound even more similar.
Basic rule of physics (conservation of energy): if the body resonates, you get a shorter sustain, as energy is lost for resonating the body - which has to be substracted from the strings. It also DOES change the sound, as only the resonant frequencies sent to the body are reduced in the guitar spectrum. So there IS an effect of "tone wood" in this sense - but not what most guitarists would expect.
The Nocaster sounds glorious! But I'll take the Squier and keep several hundred thousand $$$ in my pocket, thank you very much!
Yes, I would be very happy with the Squier too. Not that I could afford the Nocaster anyways haha..
Yes, If I paid $50,000 for a guitar, I would be afraid to play it.
The difference in sound is very subtle. The guitarist shines through.
Well these guys need to go down the Jazz tele rabbit hole. There are some Jazz greats that use the Tele.
Great video. For future comparisons it's best to turn off the heavy effects. Or at least turn them down to a minimal volume. Also, some back & forth with & without gain. Most of what I'm hearing in the video is reverb & amp. The instruments nuances are glossed over which is going to minimize the role of the guitar in the sound, thus making pretty much any two guitars sound similar.
Thanks. I had about 20 minutes as my cousin was passing through town, so this was all I was able to get. But I’ll try to keep your advice in mind. I was using a Neural DSP plugin instead of a live amp, so I’ll try to go back and redo the comparison portion with a cleaner signal.
@@justinbishopmusic thanks for this update, I agree with the comment. I've had to unsub reviewers who insist on playing dirty. Or even with pots dimed all the time. They usually end up sounding like themselves, no matter what they're playing. I look forward to another video, see how they really compare. I might try a different bridge pickup on my Squier, just don't know which one yet. The neck pickup is very nice as is.
@@justinbishopmusic as a player of almost 50 years now, and a builder in my old age, I gotta agree.
Best (if possible of course) to go straight into an old amp for true sound comparisons.
There’s a whole lot of hype with vintage and custom guitars.
In my book, the biggie for all out awesomeness is old, old cured wood. That DOES make a difference, and to a smaller degree, old pickups. (In certain cases)
We could argue the merits of high end pickups from here to doomsday, but my position is “high dollar big name” PUs are mostly hype.
I’ve kinda made a study of cheap pickups, and I mean CHEAP, eBay, diy kit, chibson knock off, et all.
I’ve discovered that a simple potting and experimenting with replacement of magnets to create different vibes, lead to some seriously nice PUs! (Neodymium magnets of different sizes and strengths are my general go to)
@@camilo1455 if you’re looking for accurate sounds from RUclips videos you’re never going to find them. All the audio is compressed and lossy losing lots of the dynamics in the tone. You’ll never get an accurate portrayal on RUclips.
@@Daddy53751 I absolutely agree with you about hype being the driving force in a huge portion of pickup upgrade sales. Most of it is just a perceived gain.
However, your statement about aged, dried wood for a solid-body electric like this making a substantial tonal difference for awesomeness is simply wrong, and has been incontrovertibly disproven many time over.
The entire point of the solid-body design is to direct as much tonality and control as possible to the electronics, and it always has been. As a retired luthier, building and working on guitars and very high-end orchestral strings, I’ve been fortunate to hear the differences between many instruments. Even in the finest acoustic instruments, there’s far more to the construction itself (wood thickness, bracing and jointing methods, etc), than there really is in the age or even species of most woods. With electric guitars, that’s really about 99.9% thrown out. You could take the oldest, dryest Tele body and swap it for a modern Tele body, and… you would never be able to 100% tell the difference by sound alone. Why? Because there are far too many variables in an electric guitar’s sound that actually impact things. String material, gauge, pickup height and winding, wiring, and heaven forbid - the amp - just to name a few. Tonewoods for electrics is complete placebo.
Must be Classic Vibe Tele day on my feed this morning. I'll say it again.... They're pretty great guitars for the price. I got mine "used" for under 400 bucks. Still had the plastic on the pick guard and neck pup. It's not a lightweight but neither am I!😂
So cool. that nocaster has so much soul
I kinda want to put that original wiring in mine. Am I a weirdo?
@@justinbishopmusic It's a question of what kind of sounds you have in mind. I was looking for something more retro but personally don't like not being able to use both pickups together so I recently changed mine to the old Broadcaster wiring, which instead of a tone control has a blend pot that allows continuously mixing the two pickups, offering sounds not possible with either of the other circuits. The other positions are: neck pickup alone and "bassy" tone as in the old Telecaster circuit. It might be an interesting alternative if you don't use the tone pot a lot in your playing, the blend pot can still take some of the "edge" off the bridge pickup.
I think the classic vibe sounded fuller
Jazz legend Ed Bickert is and has been a Tele player for many ,many years...
Oh, thank you! Just looked him up…great stuff! I’m about 6 months into learning jazz, and I’m soaking it all up. A lot of the chords feel easier on my Tele, so now I have someone to emulate!
@@justinbishopmusic I love telecasters I've had about 7 or 8 of them. I had a 59 reissue that Fender came out with in the eighties I ended up selling it to a guy who played guitar for the Judds! I wish I had that 1 back LOL I have made many a jazz gig with one. Enjoy your axe bro.
I have a Strat (Classic Players 50s MIM) that has a soft V neck. I love it.
The experience ive had with vintage guitars is that everything feels just right, esp the neck, whether thats down to wear n tear from years of playing or they shaved a lil more off the neck for comfort at the factory than they do these days i'm not sure, one thing i have noticed is that very often the radias of the necks seem a lil slimmer and usually theres no valute where the neck meets the headstock.. it the same on strats too and they feel immediately super comfortable, in fact they feel dam perfect and very inspiring to play.. interesting video guys n thanks for sharing.. Rock n Roll
It was a drum kit called the broadcaster
My two CV50s are excellent buys...but I replaced pups with Lollar and Fralin and now they are absolute gems to play and hear. I also added brass saddles and removed tone pot from neck pup. Great modding platform with dimensions/specs the same as MIM/USA Fenders...and you can find a mint CV for $300 or so. YT will NOT do tone justice...have to actually play/hear the guitars in person to appreciate the difference.
Bill Frisell still plays one. Mine has a modified V neck, more of the V toward the bass E string for thumb comfort. But mine is a custom made for my liking.
I had no idea there was so much variation with neck shapes. My cousin told me later that even though Gibson calls some of their necks on guitars “50s” or “60s” necks, they actually were different almost every year and sometimes even small variations within the same year. I think this is something we lose when ordering online…you have no idea how it will really feel! Your modified V sounds interesting, and I hope to try one some day. I was definitely a fan of this soft V!
@@justinbishopmusic , well good luck with that. You don’t see modified V necks unless you get custom shop or have one made. But everyone that has played mine loves it.
What a beautiful piece of History!
Yeah , that is what the classic vibe is .
generally modern fender telecasters are even heavier than the pine used in the squier classic vibes. the swamp ash fender used in the 50s got used up real quick, and by the 70s they were so heavy they were trying to do weight relief, like in the "smugger" series.
Fender was also making lap steel guitars, even before making "spanish style" guitars.
That's where the pickup ideas, bridge and modular control plates came from.
I was wondering if someone would mention that. I recently heard that, and immediately was surprised that they compared the bridge to a pedal steel, without seeming to know why.
Props to Squier, they make an amazing reproduction for the price point, but that light ash body makes a world of difference. So much more air to the tones, and the pickups and wiring are amazing on the no/broadcasters. I reworked my Squier thinline to similar specs and have not for a moment regretted it, but it still pales in comparison to the genuine article.
i don't know if it's been mentioned, but you can get both pickups together on the early teles by jimmying the switch between the bridge and middle setting. just like the old strats did to get the 2 and 4 quack positions.
That’s cool!
Great video thanks for making it
Sound wise, even through decent headphones, you have to be looking for the difference to hear it. As much as Leo got it right with the Tele, it’s amazing how well Squier nailed it with the CV version. Compliments to the guitar player in this video
I have to say the squier sounds great 👌
What a cool opportunity, to play a piece of history. It looks to be in great condition, for how you’d ( I’d ) want it to look lol.
@@sferguson1130 hoping my cousin comes through town with more of them soon! 🫡
Nice video dude!
A lot of discussion about the weight of the guitars. Yes, the Classic Vibe is made of pine and those are HOSS guitars. I love my nearly 10-lb CV. I get it's a comfort thing, but I don't really mind a heavy guitar if it's comfortable. There's a ton of history about Fender and what was going on with him/them at this time. You should check it out.
In this day and age, it doubles as self defense,
The finish on the vintage one is the stuff, but a CV sounds pretty dang good. They (CV) could use upgraded tuners, but other than that good to go. Although you can’t replicate the tone and light weight of the older vintage instruments. Older super dried wood sounds more resonance and has greater sustain.
What you're experiencing for weight is the difference in how wood is harvested now vs then. The kind of farmed wood we use now is grown quickly and is very dense and consistent. Wood at the time grew naturally, more slowly as conditions permitted. It was less dense and therefore lighter.
After playing more gigs this past year, I definitely appreciate the lighter stuff! I traded the Squier in for something lighter!
Gretsch's Broadkaster ( yes I spelt that correct) was s Drum kit, not a guitar.
That's what I thought too.
Such a slight differerence, it's not worth mentioning. The Squier is a no brainer, not only for the huge price difference, but if someone steals the Squier, you run down to the store and buy another. If someone steals the Fender...well you run down to the store and buy a Squier.
They sound surprisingly similar. The old one somewhat warmer but nothing you couldn’t fix with an EQ. I’m sure the ”feel” is quite different though.
Yes, I’ve been experimenting with modern necks trying to find something similar. The closest I’ve found is a “soft v” neck.
Imagine there was a fire, so you battle the smoke and flames to save the Nocaster...but when you get outside, and the building is engulfed in hungry flame, you look down to your pride and joy in your hand..and see Squier... 😱
😢 ohh god grief
As far as sound, there are many guitars under $1,000 that get very very close to much more expensive guitars. I like blind play tests the best and on many occasions, I picked the $500 guitar instead of the $5K custom shop. It would be cool to own a collection of vintage guitars but they would mostly sit around in the case. I wouldn't feel comfortable putting a vintage guitar on a stand with adult family members, pets and grand kids running around the house. If a $500 guitar was knocked over, it wouldn't be good but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
Yes, and I’ve seen Gibson headstocks snap after a cable under the stand got tugged causing it to fall over. 🥴
Squier for me... It's so close idk why I wouldn't just keep most my money and get a perfectly good Squier guitar.
I loved the fact that he played Autumn Leaves on it :)
Everyone is saying they sounded similar but they sounded completely different to me. The Squier had more mid bass and the Fender had a very clear high end and kind of grungy sound on the lower notes.
I just learned this Friday at the Redlands guitar shop
I have a 2006 Nocaster Custom Shop that is that exact guitar. Mine 'was' a NOS series guitar and was wired like that as well, but I changed to a custom made control setup with original style handmade paper cap with the modern setup so no blend. Now it looks more like that original. I love those necks.
Many a player would be unhappy with your changing the wiring.
Ed Bickert and Oscar Moore switched to tele later, also Ted Greene in the 80s , while not a tele or specifically jazz Western swing guitarist Eldon shamblin used a stratocaster from the 50s onward
I would like to see a comparison between the two guitars on the video with the new Fender American Vintage II 1951 Telecaster.
It's hard to compare the two in this clip, because A; at first it's too distorted and B: I think you should play the same riffs on both guitars.... 😉 But I know the '51 is a great guitar and I use a first series CV (modded, I put Fender 51 Nocaster CS pu's in it!) as a back up for my 1969 Tele. It's a good guitar, great value for the money!
The Squier is a nice guitar and a great value. The neck profile, fingerboard radius and large frets hit the contemporary high spots. The pine body is rather heavy, mine weighs as much as a Les Paul. The electronics leave a bit to be desired but are very easy to swap out for true Tele bits.
its the weight that puts me off, the rest of a classic vibe is excellent.
I can't understand how they managed to get a pine body weight so much. Usually pine is very light wood.
As with Harley Benton, in budget guitars woods from the top of the tree is used. This wood is more dense.
Smooth, spiffy, clean and shine
It’s funny when guys say “I bought a Squier Strat and it sounds like a Strat”! It is a Strat! Same design. Obviously it has cheaper manufacturing and parts but it’s still the same design! Same goes for Teles! A Tele sounds like a Tele! No point comparing a vintage instrument with a modern as the vintage has an expensive tone and the modern has a budget tone!😂😅😅 crazy but I prefer the Squier here! Sounds clearer! I don’t really like thin necks on Fender though.
I'm surprised how good the Classic Vice sounds even when compared to a Nocaster.
I just bought a vintage correct set of Nocaster pups from Q in Croatia - I'll be very interested to compare them to this!
I googled 1951 original No-Caster and found a few in the five figure price range and the Squire is $450. Is there really that big of a difference to warrant five figures difference in price?
Exactly! I’m keeping my Squier!
Only because of how rare they are.
Very cool to play a 51
Definitely a bucket list guitar
They still make soft and hard V necks
Production Clapton strats have v neck
Warmouth makes V necks too
Country Western music was popular and that’s the guys Leo was testing the 49 snakehead and eventually Tele with.
That’s why he was using pedal steel bridge as well.
I’ve got my eye out for a “Baja” tele which apparently has the soft V. The Clapton strat looks super cool too, and with the active pickup boost as well. The closest thing in my collection to this neck shape is a 1962 Gretsch 6118 that I just acquired. I can’t get enough of it!
The brad paisley esquire has a hard V and reliced nitro finish!
@@justinbishopmusic the Baja telecaster has a soft V indeed. I have one. I’d call it a very soft V, mostly noticeable below the 5th-7th fret. After that it’s practically non existent to me.
The great jazz guitarist Ed Bickert used a 65 tele. Changed the pickups to humbuckers in 79
this video is gonna hi rocket the price of the Squiers Classic Vibe, wich is a good thing because I own one :). Honsestly I would never sell It. It´s a keeper. I paid 300 bucks in 2010 brand new! It´s one of my best guitars.
Mud circuit! Love it!
What amp and settings sound so good
Thanks! It’s actually a “plugin” on my computer. No real amp involved. Check out Neural DSP Tone King Imperial. This has a small amount of stereo delay and reverb.
I have cv esquier, bridge pickup only,
It could use a bit of reverb for the sound demo I think ;)
Let’s face it, the difference is in the nostalgic sentiment. In 70 years some bloke will be comparing a classic vibe and drooling over the played in feel.. 😂
Let’s get ahead of the game… I’ll sell you my classic vibe for $50,000 right now! It’s a steal!!
@@justinbishopmusic Bugger, if I didn’t already have one I would have considered a trade for my future collectable Apple Watch…👍🇦🇺
I doubt that very much. YMMV
Somehow, I doubt that...
What year is your Classic Vibe from ? One before 2019 or the new series ?
It’s made in Indonesia. I think it’s a 2020. My only complaint was tuning stability. Probably needs nut work.
I got a 2005 Squier 51" Vintage Modified , paid $99.00 new from MF . Great guitar design .
Without looking and without knowing, from this video I can't tell.
As those who know have stated, use pedals, your guitar sounds like the pedal. In addition, use your tone and volume controls, might wake up your sense of tone.
All I had was a plugin for recording at the time. Would be fun to do it again with my AC15, but don’t get the chance very often.
I know this is a video on Telecasters but I can say this, I have a Squire Classic Vibe 50s Stratocaster and an American Professional ii Stratocaster tone wise, I prefer the Classic Vibe over the American Professional. Playability wise, I prefer the American Professional over the Classic Vibe. To remedy that problem, I bought a set of the Classic Vibe pickups and put them in the American Pro. Sounds absolutely fantastic.
Play them one AFTER the other without stalling and talking. Wahi' Valleys
May I ask what variant of Telecaster that Stephen Stills was using in the early days of CSN having only one pickup, "bridge pickup" only? I've seen it in some videos him playing it live concerts.
Sounds like an “Esquire”
Esquire
No one's mentioned Scotty Anderson in the comments yet, so I will. Scotty Anderson. Tele jazz player: ruclips.net/video/Wte3OGQOfkg/видео.html. I thought the Nocaster and Squier sounded totally different from each other. Not really; they sound identical. Where they may differ is in their longevity. I would expect the Squier to need refretting and general repairs and spares much sooner than the Fender, due to it being built down to a price.
Its beautiful but i thought they both sound great 🤷🏻♂️
I have a Baja Tele with the same soft V neck and love it.
I can’t believe how much they sound alike! Ok, thanks for the tip on the Baja…I’ll add that to my list!
My MIC CV 50s Tele sounds great to me!
Yeah, I’ll stick with my Indonesian one and not have to take out a second mortgage!
@@justinbishopmusic Exactly! How do you like the Indo CV? I haven't played one yet to compare to my China version from a few years ago. Still great?
i know that leo hung out with bakersfield country or”hillbilly bands late 40s early 50s. his “plank” became very popular with them.
they were of course manufacturing lap steels for a couple of years before the broadcaster
Telecaster my favorite
My first Fender was a MIM Telecaster…It was the best! But then the guy who sold it to me bought it back for sentimental reasons. I’m such a softee! But I’m happy with this Classic Vibe for sure.
Fender marginally better. With different pickups, wiring, finish on Squier it may be even closer to sounding the same. Squier is fine though and totally a very nice guitar. I've had Fender and Squiers, both are good. It really comes down to components and how well the guitar is put together and what you like personally.
i didnt know norm abrams was a guitar aficionado 😀
What kind of amp are you using?
No amp. I used a plug-in called Neural DSP Tone King Imperial and recorded straight to the computer with an audio interface.
We're these guitars even played through an amp or just a modeler?
No amp. I used a plug-in called Neural DSP Tone King Imperial and recorded straight to the computer with an audio interface.
Great video 👍 this is why I am done with vintage guitars. I just don’t see the value in them. I much prefer luthier/ custom made guitars for me. Fun fact, I almost bought a 66 tele last week but backed off…because it wasn’t any special…just old and expensive
You can see why a lot of pros tour with squires. There's darn little difference at a typical gig.
The esquire came out in 48 before the broadcaster.
If the Squier Classic Vibe guitars weighed 6 - 6.5 lbs (Like many original '50s era Fenders) instead of 8+lbs, they would double their sales.
For real!
No jazz players on the Tele? Well, Ed Bickert, Mike Stern (although Stern had a humbucker fitted). And let's count Danny Gatton.
not really which better, sound wise slightly different , but different means different, not better or worse, the mainly different is the feel in hand i guess .
First was the Esquire
Right. Here's some info I found. 1950 - During the spring of this year, the Fender Electric Instruments Company introduced a single and dual pickup solid body electric guitar. It was named the Esquire, about 50 were made, and were not fitted with a truss rod. Orders were being placed, though before production started, the instrument had been modified with an adjustable neck and renamed the Broadcaster. It was renamed again a year later to the Telecaster. The rename was done due to a conflict with Gretch Broadkaster drums.
I strongly dislike sound comparisons with effects like the tons of reverb and/or room echo going on.
I used Ross Campbell’s “SRVTweed” setting on Neural DSP Tone King Imperial. I will try to remix a short video with a dry signal.
I was using a plugin (not a real amp), so here is a dry signal through the plugin with no effects and volume, bass, treble at 12 o'clock: ruclips.net/video/oVgzf2_T-_c/видео.html
It's all in your head! People seem to think just because it is vintage that it has to be better. That is all crap! I have a MIM 2006 Telecaster and a 54 2012 reissue American Fender tele and my MIM is in my opinion a better guitar. From a practical point of view the Squier is the best bang for the buck. If you are a Closet player there is no reason in spending a Mortgage payment on another Guitar that is just as good as a cheaper version. Most people would never know the difference anyways. It's all hype and in your head. Priorities people! I would rather buy 10 Squier guitars then buy one outrageously over priced vintage guitar all day.
What about the natural clear sound of those guitars ? Why using pedals ? That make no sense.
Look in the description. I made a cut with no effects.
Yes.
Theres a difference, but you wouldnt notice if you arent a guitarist and being playing for some time. It more evident when listening chords. The Squier is really really close to the Nocaster sound, and a relative cheap guitar. Bravo
Don't kidd yourselves, the no caster is the one, if you are a working guitarist then go for something of quality.
I'm thinking you could hear the differences even better with a real clean sound, say Fender Deluxe Reverb.
I’ve got. Squier 50s Tele and the neck pickup is a dog , it has to go .
Less Reverb would be better. I really was surprised at how close they sounded to each other.
What can I say? I’m a sucker for that reverb. But yeah, they were much closer than I thought they would be!
I was using a plugin (not a real amp), so here is a dry signal through the plugin with no effects and volume, bass, treble at 12 o'clock: ruclips.net/video/oVgzf2_T-_c/видео.html
Proof that tone is in the hands! Of course the Nocaster is a special thing to play but the Squier still sounds great. I think V necks got a bad reputation somewhere along the line. But yes, a soft V or medium V are extremely comfortable to play!
The old Tele has more resonance, but so will the Squier, if you play it long enough
Nope
Way to much value placed on nostalgia. A new guitar sounds just as good in the hands of a good player.
Not if it doesn't work brand new out of the box !