How good is this song for you and how does it resonate with you? After scissors, what I am checking out from the list next? Like and sub for free ginger biscuits.
hands-down my favorite Jinjer song. i could write whole chapters on it. based on the list, i'd go with Cloud Factory (i'm partial to the OMV, but many like the live version .... the OMV is with 2 guitarists and old drummer , the live is re-worked for just the 1 guitar and Vlad). P.S.: the biscuits were stale. get what i pay for, i guess 🤷♂
I think that the structure of the lyrics is meant to convey the shattering of innocence (and perhaps optimism) caused by the outbreak of war. Tati uses a child-like perception of the world to represent innocence. So, what one might previously have thought was a mermaid singing turns out to be a siren ('siren' has a double meaning here - Google 'siren (mythology)'), what might have been thought to be an angel turns out to be the chaff cloud from a fighter jet, what might have been thought to be a unicorn turns out to be a soldier with his rifle. It's pretty heartbreaking. The tea party continues the metaphor of childlike innocence, with the host being the innocent (perhaps the Ukrainian people), and the guests being representatives of the warring parties (perhaps political powers from Russia, Ukraine and the US). The music video is high art, IMO.
I love this song so much and I’m glad you did too! Scissors is a really old song and a lot different than the newer stuff. I’m dying to see your reaction to Vortex that’s a banger for sure and words of wisdom is one of my favorites
but how much better is words of wisdom without the vocals... it's clearly before she learned what choices to make to best serve the song.... i found roman's playthrough of the song that had no vocals, and i'm not kidding, i had it on a continuous loop for several weeks in the gym, 50 minutes at a time... the riff structure is stupendous... too bad the vocals cover it up and distort it so badly... really ruins the song
@@RustySabita in the imagery the horn would be the shadow of the rifles and the galloping of a unicorn represents the sound of hooves on the street instead of boots marching
@@RustySabita i don't know if they've broken down the _specific_ details ; but i have seen them discuss, in a general manner, about them deliberately wanting to encapsulate the way kids will often use derealization as a coping mechanism. and from my perspective, the further you sift through the details with an eye specifically towards finding all the tiny instances of dissociation/derealization, the darker this video gets.
Cloud Factory and Outlander are two of my favorite Jinjer songs. I love everything from Jinjer, but their older songs are easier to get into on a first listen. They aren't as complex. Some of the newer ones take a few listens to fully appreciate.
This song is in a drop A tuning. Which is VERY low. The guitar's E string is 5 steps low, and on the verge of not having enough tension. I think that is the unique sound you were picking up in the opening. I believe the tuning is A E A D F# B.
I think there is a theme to this song of children facing this. The children's imagination and coping. Seeing the countermeasure burst of the air support and imagining an angel, seeing the soldiers marching and imagining unicorns, having a child's tea party as their home crumbles around them...and the notion of parents, at their breaking point, trying to maintain their child's innocence, peace and safety. I'm not sure there is a correlation between "unicorn" and the Ukrainian unpleasantness of 2014 (which is what this song is actually about...was written before the current invasion) I think the burlap bags and Tati's sort of childish youthful demeanor for that scene was meant to portray the adults, dead inside, trying to hold it together for the kid, who's just trying to play as their life crumbles around them. I might be completely imagining that, though.
The live version of On the Top is exceptional. The music video is great but the live version is so good it's just a natural one to react to. That one section you mentioned is chords on the bass. Eugene is really good at placing those. There is a bass playthrough of this song. The tea party is the perspective of trying to hide and pretend it isn't happening but of course you can't. The angel is what it looks like when a jet throws it's flares and chaff to fend off heat seeking munitions. From a certain angle it looks like an angel with it's wings spread.
The tea party scene characters are a rabbit, a dog and a tiger. There is an old fable about the rabbit the dog and the tiger. Long story short, a tiger wanders into the patch of woods that the dog and the rabbit live in and the rabbit alerts the dog. The rabbit tries to get the dog to teach him how he would get away from the tiger if it chased him but the dog explains to the rabbit that he couldn't possibly understand how a dog could evade a tiger. When the tiger comes, the dog tries to evade by running up a tree and the tiger catches him and kills him. Meanwhile, the mouse digs a hole and hides from the tiger until he leaves that part of the forest.
This song fucks so hard. I love odd timing songs. And it's such a well put together music video. Just sayin...How TF is Retrospection not on that list. It's better than the whole list. And there is a sampling of Tati singing in her native Russian tongue...and it's gorgeous. All good just teasin...but seriously.
Thank you, Rusty! I love Home Back! Not only for the fantastic music and vocals, but because for me, it makes me angry and sad for two reasons: both the call against war (angry at the US warmongers who caused the conflicts in Ukraine and Palestine and won't let either end, if this statement makes anyone balk, they should read a book by former US State Dept official William Blum, "Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since WWII", original title, "How Jimmy Carter and I started Al Qaeda"), and also connecting the dots that all of these US backed coups and proxy wars have intentionally prevented global cooperation to address climate collapse (in addition to the war profiteering, fear of a good example and attempts at resource monopolies), so wanting our Home Back is an idea not only for all the war refugees but also for all life on earth about to lose our home because of US war profiteering ("don't you leave us homeless"). Thank you for reacting to it! More of the history behind it: in 2014 was the US backed coup led by Ukrainian fascists (Azov Battalion, Banderites, etc) that started a civil war (or just pogroms) where for eight years the Ukrainian military, led by Ukrainian fascists, killed ten to fourteen thousand Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas region including Donetsk (where Jinjer formed). The "fire in the hole" lyric in this song is about the Ukrainian military killing Russian speaking Ukrainians. You can find an old video of Tatiana saying she's afraid her government will shoot her. That's what Jinjer had to flee when they left the Donbas region to be an essentially homeless/refugee band on tour for years on end. Russia got involved in 2022 (after eight years of trying to use diplomacy to resolve the aggression by the US) to stop the US from handing nuclear weapons to the US backed fascists in Ukraine. The CIA and its cutout NED have always and continue to fund, arm and train fascists like this all over the world for the express purpose of staging coups like the one in Ukraine in 2014. Azov Battalion, Right Sector and others were placed in the Donbas to kill as many Russian speaking Ukrainians as they could get away with, with multiple failed attempts to blame Russia for these murders. The murders were taking place in the Donbas, which is why Jinjer had to flee that part of Ukraine (they had to decide between staying and being unable to tour or leaving family and friends to tour and being unable to return more than once per year). Sadly, I see many fellow Jinjer fans (and others) caught up by the US war profiteering propaganda that makes them think Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. This is utterly false. They sometimes point to Crimea. Crimea would have been more difficult for those US backed Ukrainian fascist groups, because there were historic reasons that Russia already had military bases in Crimea, none were added after the 2014 US backed coup, which is when the people in Crimea voted to leave Ukraine because they did not recognize the US backed coup regime which was de facto run by the US backed Ukrainian fascists (you can find video of those fascists pointing guns at the Ukrainian parliament). A friend of Jinjer's bassist Eugene was killed by Ukrainian fascists (not by Russians). When you listen to Jinjer's song Sit Stay Roll Over, take note that it has lyrics (by Eugene) directly quoting the mantra of some of these Ukrainian fascists, "one path, one past, one trust", which is then flipped in the lyrics to, "it's not one's path, it's not one's past, it's not one's trust, it's not MY path, it's not MY past, it's NOT MY TRUST!" Make sure if you get any part of that song stuck in your head, it's the flipped part and not the fascist motto. At least 87 to 95% of the world (see UN votes, etc) does not believe the US war profiteering propaganda, I just hope that number keeps going up! Again, thank you Rusty for this reaction! ❤️🖤🤘
No, this one isn't high on my list despite the obvious and respected message, the bit that I very much like though is the clean one where she shines with her vocal delivery and the musical contrast is what makes you uneasy more than the original song, at least in my book. Looking forward to Scissors, that's a fun one.
I feel like she's expressing how crazy one would feel if one day your life was normal and suddenly your town was engulfed in a war. All the concerns we'd had the day before the fighting broke out would seem as petty and naive as dreaming about unicorns, mermaids, and angels. One day Tati would have been thinking about parties and performances and the next, as you say all of that would be torn apart. Much of their next album was composed in Kyiv under siege by Russian forces and after the siege was broken. No telling what Tati will right about, but I can scarcely imagine a more metal origin of an album. I'm a bit afraid of how devastating it may be, to be honest.
All good points. I can see what you mean. And yeah, I think their last album was before the current war, so I image she would be even more devastating on the vocals.
@@RustySabita yeah, the guys were stuck in the city for months, never knowing if the next bomb, missile, or artillery strike would hit them. Vlad was composing while the siege was ongoing. Eugene said he couldn't until the siege lifted. Not sure about Roman. Tati had been visiting her husband in California since October so she wasn't caught in it (Alex Lopez, former drummer of Suicide Silence, now of P.O.D). Alex posted a pic with Tati in maybe early April that I took as a proof of life for anyone who was worried about her as self destructive feelings have been an issue for her in the past. It looked like she's been crying for a month straight. I can't even imagine. A few months later she said she couldn't talk about it and I'm not sure if that's changed. The music for their next album has been done for nearly a year and the plan was for Tati to write and compose last winter. It sounds like it is moving forward though. I'm not settling expectations for myself if it will address the war or not, though I can't imagine that they can skip it entirely. We shall see.
I get the sense that Tati has been dreading writing the lyrics for this album, possibly wanting to avoid dwelling in darkness, so it will be very interesting to see what comes of it.
@@j.f.fisher5318they've reported that the album is done recording. It's in for mixing, production and mastering now. They'll be debuting new unreleased songs on their upcoming North American tour. Eugene gave a hint the other day that the album may be released sooner than we expect. Tatiana said in an interview that she didn't want to write any more war songs. It's just too painful. Her mom still lives on the fifth floor in an apartment building in Gorlovka, just kilometers from where the front lines were a few months ago. She said the last tour was difficult for her because they were playing Home Back, and that song takes a lot out of her to perform. Tati has also said several of the new songs seemed to her to fit together, and they remind her of the 19th century. "What could be more futuristic than time travel back to the 19th century?" (I'm paraphrasing her.)
How good is this song for you and how does it resonate with you?
After scissors, what I am checking out from the list next?
Like and sub for free ginger biscuits.
hands-down my favorite Jinjer song. i could write whole chapters on it.
based on the list, i'd go with Cloud Factory (i'm partial to the OMV, but many like the live version .... the OMV is with 2 guitarists and old drummer , the live is re-worked for just the 1 guitar and Vlad).
P.S.: the biscuits were stale. get what i pay for, i guess 🤷♂
This song, with its video, i consider a poetic masterpiece.
That sound is Eugene just hitting chords on the bass.. can see him strumming a downstroke.
I think that the structure of the lyrics is meant to convey the shattering of innocence (and perhaps optimism) caused by the outbreak of war. Tati uses a child-like perception of the world to represent innocence. So, what one might previously have thought was a mermaid singing turns out to be a siren ('siren' has a double meaning here - Google 'siren (mythology)'), what might have been thought to be an angel turns out to be the chaff cloud from a fighter jet, what might have been thought to be a unicorn turns out to be a soldier with his rifle. It's pretty heartbreaking. The tea party continues the metaphor of childlike innocence, with the host being the innocent (perhaps the Ukrainian people), and the guests being representatives of the warring parties (perhaps political powers from Russia, Ukraine and the US).
The music video is high art, IMO.
Retrospection has got to get on that list...hit that like, peeps!! Back me up
@@saltydroog854 It'll come for sure!
I love this song so much and I’m glad you did too! Scissors is a really old song and a lot different than the newer stuff. I’m dying to see your reaction to Vortex that’s a banger for sure and words of wisdom is one of my favorites
but how much better is words of wisdom without the vocals... it's clearly before she learned what choices to make to best serve the song.... i found roman's playthrough of the song that had no vocals, and i'm not kidding, i had it on a continuous loop for several weeks in the gym, 50 minutes at a time... the riff structure is stupendous... too bad the vocals cover it up and distort it so badly... really ruins the song
@@notimportant3686 I disagree, I think her vocals add a certain groove thats somehow harsh at the same time but that’s just me. No disrespect
@@jennymercurio8367 did you hear it without the vocals?
The song is from a child's perspective at first. That's where you get the unicorn and tea party
Oh right, I get you. That makes a lot of sense!
@@RustySabita in the imagery the horn would be the shadow of the rifles and the galloping of a unicorn represents the sound of hooves on the street instead of boots marching
@@PatKohler Did they say that or is that your throughts? Either way, its a good metaphor/symbollism
@@RustySabita i don't know if they've broken down the _specific_ details ; but i have seen them discuss, in a general manner, about them deliberately wanting to encapsulate the way kids will often use derealization as a coping mechanism.
and from my perspective, the further you sift through the details with an eye specifically towards finding all the tiny instances of dissociation/derealization, the darker this video gets.
I love Vortex and Wallflower and both have unique videos.
Beautiful, Brutal, Heartbreaking, a Masterpiece.
@@Robertsmith-dy3sh 100% 🤘🙌
Cloud Factory, I've been really vibing with it lately. Older song but still great as usual for Jinjer 👍🏽
@PatKohler Yeah, I've seen a few people say they enjoy that one. So looking forward to that
That's a great list, they are all great songs. Cheers!
Cloud Factory and Outlander are two of my favorite Jinjer songs. I love everything from Jinjer, but their older songs are easier to get into on a first listen. They aren't as complex. Some of the newer ones take a few listens to fully appreciate.
I think he's slapping and plucking on the bass to get that sound.
@@Pumpkin3.14pi Whatever it is, I very much like it lol
It's the Ukrainian war from a child's perspective. The three straw mask figures at the tea party are characters from an Ukrainian children's fable.
@jeffwellman2883 That makes sense. I thought it would have been something like that. Thank you
This song is in a drop A tuning. Which is VERY low. The guitar's E string is 5 steps low, and on the verge of not having enough tension. I think that is the unique sound you were picking up in the opening. I believe the tuning is A E A D F# B.
I think there is a theme to this song of children facing this. The children's imagination and coping. Seeing the countermeasure burst of the air support and imagining an angel, seeing the soldiers marching and imagining unicorns, having a child's tea party as their home crumbles around them...and the notion of parents, at their breaking point, trying to maintain their child's innocence, peace and safety. I'm not sure there is a correlation between "unicorn" and the Ukrainian unpleasantness of 2014 (which is what this song is actually about...was written before the current invasion)
I think the burlap bags and Tati's sort of childish youthful demeanor for that scene was meant to portray the adults, dead inside, trying to hold it together for the kid, who's just trying to play as their life crumbles around them. I might be completely imagining that, though.
@saltydroog854 Someone else mentioned the same thing. which makes perfect sense. I think all interpretations could fit quite well though.
The live version of On the Top is exceptional. The music video is great but the live version is so good it's just a natural one to react to.
That one section you mentioned is chords on the bass. Eugene is really good at placing those. There is a bass playthrough of this song. The tea party is the perspective of trying to hide and pretend it isn't happening but of course you can't. The angel is what it looks like when a jet throws it's flares and chaff to fend off heat seeking munitions. From a certain angle it looks like an angel with it's wings spread.
The tea party scene characters are a rabbit, a dog and a tiger. There is an old fable about the rabbit the dog and the tiger. Long story short, a tiger wanders into the patch of woods that the dog and the rabbit live in and the rabbit alerts the dog. The rabbit tries to get the dog to teach him how he would get away from the tiger if it chased him but the dog explains to the rabbit that he couldn't possibly understand how a dog could evade a tiger. When the tiger comes, the dog tries to evade by running up a tree and the tiger catches him and kills him. Meanwhile, the mouse digs a hole and hides from the tiger until he leaves that part of the forest.
The tea is poison by the way... Perhaps alluding to chemical warfare
That's a good shout. I'll need to watch it a few more times. It'll make more sense knowing all these things.
Who talks this way? Who views the soldiers as unicorns, the smoke as an angel? It’s children! This is a child’s view of war.
This song fucks so hard. I love odd timing songs. And it's such a well put together music video.
Just sayin...How TF is Retrospection not on that list. It's better than the whole list. And there is a sampling of Tati singing in her native Russian tongue...and it's gorgeous. All good just teasin...but seriously.
@saltydroog854 lmao. I feel you. I fuck with these song. I just picked songs at random, but they are all coming 😎
@@RustySabita Cool, man. I hope you know I'm just playin with ya. I love the channel. keep it up, bruv.
@@saltydroog854 Yeah, of course. I got you! I appreciate the love on the channel! 🤘
Thank you, Rusty! I love Home Back! Not only for the fantastic music and vocals, but because for me, it makes me angry and sad for two reasons: both the call against war (angry at the US warmongers who caused the conflicts in Ukraine and Palestine and won't let either end, if this statement makes anyone balk, they should read a book by former US State Dept official William Blum, "Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since WWII", original title, "How Jimmy Carter and I started Al Qaeda"), and also connecting the dots that all of these US backed coups and proxy wars have intentionally prevented global cooperation to address climate collapse (in addition to the war profiteering, fear of a good example and attempts at resource monopolies), so wanting our Home Back is an idea not only for all the war refugees but also for all life on earth about to lose our home because of US war profiteering ("don't you leave us homeless"). Thank you for reacting to it!
More of the history behind it: in 2014 was the US backed coup led by Ukrainian fascists (Azov Battalion, Banderites, etc) that started a civil war (or just pogroms) where for eight years the Ukrainian military, led by Ukrainian fascists, killed ten to fourteen thousand Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas region including Donetsk (where Jinjer formed). The "fire in the hole" lyric in this song is about the Ukrainian military killing Russian speaking Ukrainians. You can find an old video of Tatiana saying she's afraid her government will shoot her. That's what Jinjer had to flee when they left the Donbas region to be an essentially homeless/refugee band on tour for years on end. Russia got involved in 2022 (after eight years of trying to use diplomacy to resolve the aggression by the US) to stop the US from handing nuclear weapons to the US backed fascists in Ukraine. The CIA and its cutout NED have always and continue to fund, arm and train fascists like this all over the world for the express purpose of staging coups like the one in Ukraine in 2014.
Azov Battalion, Right Sector and others were placed in the Donbas to kill as many Russian speaking Ukrainians as they could get away with, with multiple failed attempts to blame Russia for these murders. The murders were taking place in the Donbas, which is why Jinjer had to flee that part of Ukraine (they had to decide between staying and being unable to tour or leaving family and friends to tour and being unable to return more than once per year).
Sadly, I see many fellow Jinjer fans (and others) caught up by the US war profiteering propaganda that makes them think Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. This is utterly false. They sometimes point to Crimea. Crimea would have been more difficult for those US backed Ukrainian fascist groups, because there were historic reasons that Russia already had military bases in Crimea, none were added after the 2014 US backed coup, which is when the people in Crimea voted to leave Ukraine because they did not recognize the US backed coup regime which was de facto run by the US backed Ukrainian fascists (you can find video of those fascists pointing guns at the Ukrainian parliament).
A friend of Jinjer's bassist Eugene was killed by Ukrainian fascists (not by Russians). When you listen to Jinjer's song Sit Stay Roll Over, take note that it has lyrics (by Eugene) directly quoting the mantra of some of these Ukrainian fascists, "one path, one past, one trust", which is then flipped in the lyrics to, "it's not one's path, it's not one's past, it's not one's trust, it's not MY path, it's not MY past, it's NOT MY TRUST!" Make sure if you get any part of that song stuck in your head, it's the flipped part and not the fascist motto. At least 87 to 95% of the world (see UN votes, etc) does not believe the US war profiteering propaganda, I just hope that number keeps going up!
Again, thank you Rusty for this reaction! ❤️🖤🤘
No, this one isn't high on my list despite the obvious and respected message, the bit that I very much like though is the clean one where she shines with her vocal delivery and the musical contrast is what makes you uneasy more than the original song, at least in my book.
Looking forward to Scissors, that's a fun one.
I feel like she's expressing how crazy one would feel if one day your life was normal and suddenly your town was engulfed in a war. All the concerns we'd had the day before the fighting broke out would seem as petty and naive as dreaming about unicorns, mermaids, and angels. One day Tati would have been thinking about parties and performances and the next, as you say all of that would be torn apart.
Much of their next album was composed in Kyiv under siege by Russian forces and after the siege was broken. No telling what Tati will right about, but I can scarcely imagine a more metal origin of an album. I'm a bit afraid of how devastating it may be, to be honest.
All good points. I can see what you mean. And yeah, I think their last album was before the current war, so I image she would be even more devastating on the vocals.
@@RustySabita yeah, the guys were stuck in the city for months, never knowing if the next bomb, missile, or artillery strike would hit them. Vlad was composing while the siege was ongoing. Eugene said he couldn't until the siege lifted. Not sure about Roman. Tati had been visiting her husband in California since October so she wasn't caught in it (Alex Lopez, former drummer of Suicide Silence, now of P.O.D). Alex posted a pic with Tati in maybe early April that I took as a proof of life for anyone who was worried about her as self destructive feelings have been an issue for her in the past. It looked like she's been crying for a month straight. I can't even imagine. A few months later she said she couldn't talk about it and I'm not sure if that's changed. The music for their next album has been done for nearly a year and the plan was for Tati to write and compose last winter. It sounds like it is moving forward though. I'm not settling expectations for myself if it will address the war or not, though I can't imagine that they can skip it entirely. We shall see.
I get the sense that Tati has been dreading writing the lyrics for this album, possibly wanting to avoid dwelling in darkness, so it will be very interesting to see what comes of it.
@@hemlock399 For sure. I agree 100%
@@j.f.fisher5318they've reported that the album is done recording. It's in for mixing, production and mastering now. They'll be debuting new unreleased songs on their upcoming North American tour. Eugene gave a hint the other day that the album may be released sooner than we expect.
Tatiana said in an interview that she didn't want to write any more war songs. It's just too painful. Her mom still lives on the fifth floor in an apartment building in Gorlovka, just kilometers from where the front lines were a few months ago. She said the last tour was difficult for her because they were playing Home Back, and that song takes a lot out of her to perform.
Tati has also said several of the new songs seemed to her to fit together, and they remind her of the 19th century. "What could be more futuristic than time travel back to the 19th century?" (I'm paraphrasing her.)
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This song about war in Ukraine if you understand
@igormarkov2004 I understand. It's very said.