hey nice video ! i just bought the 2.0 2019 with a pair of look spx 12 and i don't know where to mount them ; should i mount them right in center of the skis or a bit on the back ?
I've heard that these skis can have some durability problems. Have you had any trouble with this? Also what kind of length would you say for someone around 6' ft cos I was thinking the 184cm. Thanks.
Nah, nothing major. A couple pairs have gotten a little chipped up, but that's mostly down to being demoed out by a few intermediate skiers who either have trouble with overlapping them in bumpy turns, or clacking them together on the lift. Since we started proactively telling people to be careful about this, new occurrences of chipping have dropped off considerably. We have had zero instances of delamination or core failure on any of our Factions so far, and a few of them have been going out A LOT.
How would you compare this ski to the Black Crows Camox? As well as the Armada ARV96? This is the widest of the 3, however the more symmetrical tip/tail. Any suggestions for a guy coming from snowboarding for the past 24 years? This was the first season back on skis in that time and I rode a bunch of different skis this past winter and looking to purchase this off season. Not necessarily looking for a park as much as all mountain, but your description of this ski sounds like I'd have a lot of fun on it with the style of skiing I'm looking for.
what other skis do u recommend in the all-mountain freestyle 100 mm waist category besides the CT 2.0? u mention in the video that u have a few other favorites as well
Plantaris sure! Among the skis we carry, I'm a big fan of the Caravan Daily Driver, RMU Apostle, and the Sego Tater Tot (although that last one is getting into the fatter range). Among skis we DON'T carry in our shop, probably my favorite one out there is the Moment PB&J.
Line Blend (100mm) or Line Chronic (98mm, a little bit more stiffer and poppy than the Blend.....Blend is a little bit more noodle and nice for butters etc...)
FWIW the Blend is the most noodly ski we've encountered in the last few years. Real fun for smaller jibs and medium speed technical bump lines, though, especially in softer snow.
I picked up a pair of last seasons 2.0 in an end of season sale earlier this year. I'm 6'2" and 200lbs and I got the 184's as that was the longest they offered last year. I'm now wondering if they may be a little short. (Im pretty sure the ski hasn't changed since last year) I've not had a chance to try them yet, do you think I'll be ok on the 184's? I ski a mix of groomers, park and sidecountry and looking to push more off piste. I know the answer is to try them out, but it's a couple of months till I get to go skiing yet and it's making me nervous! :)
We wouldn't sweat it too much, your size can be kinda difficult to shop for. You're not so big that you'd be completely overwhelming the ski in that size, but you're also big enough that if you're an advanced skier then yes the 184 miiiiight feel a tad small. Overall though don't sweat it, we ski with a couple very advanced skiers around your size pretty regularly and they often ski 184ish lengths even on skis this narrow.
Ok great. I'd say I'm more of a higher end intermediate skier looking to progress, so I'm sure I'll get a few years use out if them yet before they would hold me back. Thanks for the advice and good review!
Candide line. Whenever one of the guys here at the company buys a pro model ski, and that pro model has a mounting line recommended by the skier it's named after, we typically use that line.
I believe these are a Marker demo binding (we had them on loan from Faction at the end of last season, so cannot recall). We use Pivots or Salomon/Atomic on MOST of our personal skis, but we run Attack 13s on ALL of our mens' demo skis and we love, love, love it. So yeah, Attack series binding is fine for this.
Hey, great video! I just bought a pair of this today as my only ski. I wasnt sure about where to mount the binding so i just told them to mount it at the all mountain line because ill probably not gonna be in the park that much, but now i regret that after seeing the comments here. Havent tried the skiis yet. Is it a big difference between those to lines??
It's only about a 2cm difference if I recall (not at the shop now, so can't compare in person), if you're not going to be skiing switch or doing much spinning on them, you probably won't notice a difference.
Did you mount these at the recommended center mounting point? Do you think it would be a bad idea to mount a few cm back? The width and flex are what I'm looking for but not sold on a symmetrical ski for all mountain use. Always mounted close to center but not exactly and never had problems riding switch.
The ski itself isn't actually 100% symmetrical, and they have 2 "recommended" mounting points. There is slightly more tip rocker length than tail rocker, so if you're on the "boot center" line of the regular underfoot camber, you're actually a couple centimeters back from "true center" on the overall length of the ski itself. Faction also labels this the "Candide line" which is where he mounts it, so that's typically where we mount them because...well, it's his pro model, so we just do what he says. They have a second line approx. 2-3cm behind that first one, which is their backup mounting suggestion if you don't want to go for boot center. We slid the demo bindings back and skied it there for a few runs last year and it feels fine, but we're bigger fans of the "Candide line" if we're being totally honest. Hopefully that makes sense, but let us know if you have any followup questions...you can message us here or on our facebook page or at avantalpine@gmail.com If you're in Colorado this season, we'll have a few pairs you can demo, and we'd be happy to move the whole binding up and back between the two lines so you can try both.
How do you compare ct2.0 to prodigy 2.0 except the width difference? I mounted my 3.0 at CT line, and I felt too much tail in moguls. It also felt very catchy on icy snow until I added half degree base bevel. Do you notice the same thing on 2.0? I'm looking to get a 90-100mm ski like 2.0 series or Sky 7 hd for daily and mogul use. 3.0 is a little too wide for me to use on hard conditions. What do you suggest?
Totally different skis. The Candide is really an all mountain "freestyle" ski insofar as it can basically double as a park ski and an all-mountain do-everything ski for a lot of people with a certain type of skiing background. The Prodigy 2.0 and 3.0 are both partial twins that aren't really suited to park/freestyle use, at least not compared to other stuff that's out there designed with that use in mind. Prodigy 2.0 compares really well to the Rossi S series if you ask me, there are a lot of shape and profile similarities...the newer HD versions from Rossi is a bit stiffer than their past versions, and also a bit stiffer than each comparable Prodigy, which may be a good or bad thing depending on your needs. I rode the 2.0 Prodigy extensively in moguls last Spring and LOVED it for that. It's pretty much the perfect size, and the softer tip and generous rocker makes it really easy to whip fast, tight turns and match the channels in your mogul lines. Shoot us an email at Avantalpine@gmail.com if you want to talk more about it...nice bike btw, I have a 2012 Bonneville that I've kinda done a hybrid tracker job with.
Thanks man. We're adding some J Skis reviews shortly and hopefully some stuff on Folsom Customs. We'll have more on-snow stuff as soon as Colorado resorts open up more and we're able to get out on more skis.
Great review. I just enjoy watching you ski on them too haha. I'm pretty new to skiing but progression has been fast as I have been snowboarding for quite a few years and some of the skills i.e. balance just transfer over really. I think the CT 2.0 are perfect for what I want in a ski. Kind of a 'do it all' weapon.
Nick Linacre we agree, although for early progression maybe also check out the Prodigy series as it's a little more forgiving overall especially for folks just switching over or getting into their first solid ski setup. We also carry the RMU North Shore series which may be a winner for you as well, especially if you're looking for something that'll give you better access to powder.
Thanks for the response. I have a bit of a rookie question for you. At 7:07 in the video you push off with your right leg. I see plenty of skiers (mostly freestyle) that push off with the outer leg. What is the difference between this style and the more cross-country/Nordic 'V' shape skate style and which is better?
Further to my last question, here are some examples. The way Candide pushes off at 0:34 - ruclips.net/video/2aXFPZjCsok/видео.html vs. Nordic style Skate Skiing - ruclips.net/video/brGZlZkCwyk/видео.html They look like different techniques to me but it could be my newbie eyes and they might be the same haha.
This is an interesting question that I've never gotten before and never really thought about, to be honest. I just do what feels natural to me in any given situation, and that's probably the key. I think the best answer I can give you is that both versions are basically the same motion and purpose, but you've gotta think about what's going on in x-country/nordic skiing compared to alpine downhill. In Nordic skiing you're usually generating ALL of your own power and momentum through "skating", meaning the motion is going to be a lot longer and the angles of your edge will be more exaggerated to give you the maximum amount of purchase for each stride, especially when climbing. In Alpine skiing, typically you're just using it to give yourself a small push (like what you saw me do to scoot up in the lift line) or you're trying to preserve the momentum from a downhill portion over a flat spot (like in the Candide video you linked). In the latter instance, your objective is to give yourself a small but meaningful boost to keep from slowing down, which means you'd want your edges to stay pretty parallel...parallel edges = less snow resistance on flat spots. So really it's about what feels best or works best in any given situation. I also use a more open "V" type stance like you described from Nordic skiing when I'm attempting to skate uphill, as the open stance gives you more edge grip to keep you from sliding backwards.
Straight forward review and replys, I like it. Just purchased these in 188, cant wait to ski them. Maybe more terrain diversity in the video and speed would be nice but really liked the review. Hard to see these as a park ski though, too wide in my opinion.
Unfortunately it was very late season when we got on these for filming and we only had a couple days with them, so we were limited in terms of terrain variety by what was open at A-Basin at that time. I got them up to the high 40s at least in that vid, probably low 50s a couple times. Gopros suck at conveying speed unfortunately, especially when you've got the camera snugged up so it won't wobble because shaky camera FEELS faster for whatever reason. Go watch a World Cup training run in Downhill or Super G sometime. They legitimately don't seem like they're going that fast until they're well over 60mph and/or the camera starts bouncing around cause they hit some weird snow.
Fair enough, but we haven't consistently skied park for a couple years due to so many injuries. Looking to get someone onboard next season who skis lots of park in order to film those laps for us. The Candide 2.0 is pretty thoroughly established as one of the most capable park skis out there, though.
Yeah man, we're all 30 now and have a business to run...kinda hard to ski a lot of park anymore with our injury histories, we're too fragile! Emphasis these days is just skiing as hard as we can while also making it to the end of the season in one piece. Hoping to find a couple legit guys who can help us shoot some quality jumps and jibs on some of our more park-specific skis for future review videos.
So after 2 month on the CT 2 I can tell you that this is one of the most well balanced skis I´ve been on.... unbelieveable the top swingweight and the light feeling in the air...the only sad thing is the lack of quality of the base....after the second rail a fat coreshot....don´t misunderstand me such things can happen if you ski the ski properly but the bases is soooo thin that you have nearly no chance to repair them correct with Epoxy...after 2 month the bases look more damaged than my 2 year old Park Line Chronics.....and this point is very sad when you look to the price of those boards......on the other side one of the most funny and playful skis.....perfect to shred the whole mountain like an overdimensional park if the bases survive it.......
@@PureriderNr2 yeah, quality is hilarious. Buddies didn't last a season. If you want to land on rocks and get no core shots, I suggest moment or on3p with 4000 bases.
August Menetre they're directional twin tips which means they're not fully symmetrical. You can mount them true center if you want but it doesn't really make a ton of sense considering you'd be in front of the camber at that point. We mount them at the "Candide line" which is camber center.
@@avantalpine8075 "A freestyle child at heart, the Candide 2.0's symmetrical shape and responsive poplar/beech core excels on jumps, lips and massive straight airs." - Faction
doesn't look like you ever had your outside ski up on edge even once - you simply washed out every turn - might be cool for pow but there is no way you could get any sort of crisp carved turns on groomers with that wide a waist
Well first off, that's simply not true. Locked them on edge a few times in this vid...but no, realistically this is not a carving ski, and the icy late season conditions we had it in for this video really emphasize that. When I got them into long turns fully on edge, it was mostly on mellow faster blues, nothing super steep. The fact these can't handle a massive proper GS turn has a lot more to do with the minimal amount of camber and more all-mtn-freestyle type of flex and less to do with waist width, though. Get on something like the Shaggy's Ahmeek 105 or Nordica Enforcer 100, or any of the Faction Dictators regardless of width...you'll see what I mean.
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No secure bar on the lift??
which skis are the ones in the vid because the ct 2.0 2019 looks not the same.
The year and model of ski are literally the title of the video...
@@avantalpine8075 Do you know where I can buy the CT 2.0 Signature in 2019?
what's the difference between CT 1.0 and 2.0
The 1.0 is more park oriented
hey nice video ! i just bought the 2.0 2019 with a pair of look spx 12 and i don't know where to mount them ; should i mount them right in center of the skis or a bit on the back ?
I've heard that these skis can have some durability problems. Have you had any trouble with this? Also what kind of length would you say for someone around 6' ft cos I was thinking the 184cm. Thanks.
Nah, nothing major. A couple pairs have gotten a little chipped up, but that's mostly down to being demoed out by a few intermediate skiers who either have trouble with overlapping them in bumpy turns, or clacking them together on the lift. Since we started proactively telling people to be careful about this, new occurrences of chipping have dropped off considerably. We have had zero instances of delamination or core failure on any of our Factions so far, and a few of them have been going out A LOT.
thanks for your help!
How would you compare this ski to the Black Crows Camox? As well as the Armada ARV96? This is the widest of the 3, however the more symmetrical tip/tail. Any suggestions for a guy coming from snowboarding for the past 24 years? This was the first season back on skis in that time and I rode a bunch of different skis this past winter and looking to purchase this off season. Not necessarily looking for a park as much as all mountain, but your description of this ski sounds like I'd have a lot of fun on it with the style of skiing I'm looking for.
What is the poles you have in this video called?
what other skis do u recommend in the all-mountain freestyle 100 mm waist category besides the CT 2.0? u mention in the video that u have a few other favorites as well
Plantaris sure! Among the skis we carry, I'm a big fan of the Caravan Daily Driver, RMU Apostle, and the Sego Tater Tot (although that last one is getting into the fatter range). Among skis we DON'T carry in our shop, probably my favorite one out there is the Moment PB&J.
Line Blend (100mm) or Line Chronic (98mm, a little bit more stiffer and poppy than the Blend.....Blend is a little bit more noodle and nice for butters etc...)
FWIW the Blend is the most noodly ski we've encountered in the last few years. Real fun for smaller jibs and medium speed technical bump lines, though, especially in softer snow.
I picked up a pair of last seasons 2.0 in an end of season sale earlier this year.
I'm 6'2" and 200lbs and I got the 184's as that was the longest they offered last year. I'm now wondering if they may be a little short. (Im pretty sure the ski hasn't changed since last year)
I've not had a chance to try them yet, do you think I'll be ok on the 184's? I ski a mix of groomers, park and sidecountry and looking to push more off piste.
I know the answer is to try them out, but it's a couple of months till I get to go skiing yet and it's making me nervous! :)
We wouldn't sweat it too much, your size can be kinda difficult to shop for. You're not so big that you'd be completely overwhelming the ski in that size, but you're also big enough that if you're an advanced skier then yes the 184 miiiiight feel a tad small. Overall though don't sweat it, we ski with a couple very advanced skiers around your size pretty regularly and they often ski 184ish lengths even on skis this narrow.
Ok great. I'd say I'm more of a higher end intermediate skier looking to progress, so I'm sure I'll get a few years use out if them yet before they would hold me back.
Thanks for the advice and good review!
For sure, and worst case scenario it should be a really easy ski to sell at the end of one season if you already feel like you're outgrowing them.
Sweet review. Where did you have the skis mounted? You might've mentioned it in the video..
damyoulookinfly We typically like these skis at about -2cm from core center, which is labeled as the suggested mounting point from the factory.
Would that be considered the "Candide" line or "All Mountain" line?
Candide line. Whenever one of the guys here at the company buys a pro model ski, and that pro model has a mounting line recommended by the skier it's named after, we typically use that line.
What bindings are you using on your ct 2.0's? Would Tyrolia Attacks do fine on this ski?
I believe these are a Marker demo binding (we had them on loan from Faction at the end of last season, so cannot recall). We use Pivots or Salomon/Atomic on MOST of our personal skis, but we run Attack 13s on ALL of our mens' demo skis and we love, love, love it. So yeah, Attack series binding is fine for this.
i ride these skis with a aaatack 14 and its perfect
Hey, great video! I just bought a pair of this today as my only ski. I wasnt sure about where to mount the binding so i just told them to mount it at the all mountain line because ill probably not gonna be in the park that much, but now i regret that after seeing the comments here. Havent tried the skiis yet. Is it a big difference between those to lines??
It's only about a 2cm difference if I recall (not at the shop now, so can't compare in person), if you're not going to be skiing switch or doing much spinning on them, you probably won't notice a difference.
are the candide 2.0 good for normal piste?? I'm looking for a pretty much all mountain freestyle ski, that is also good in normal piste
borja yes definitely
Did you mount these at the recommended center mounting point? Do you think it would be a bad idea to mount a few cm back? The width and flex are what I'm looking for but not sold on a symmetrical ski for all mountain use. Always mounted close to center but not exactly and never had problems riding switch.
The ski itself isn't actually 100% symmetrical, and they have 2 "recommended" mounting points. There is slightly more tip rocker length than tail rocker, so if you're on the "boot center" line of the regular underfoot camber, you're actually a couple centimeters back from "true center" on the overall length of the ski itself. Faction also labels this the "Candide line" which is where he mounts it, so that's typically where we mount them because...well, it's his pro model, so we just do what he says.
They have a second line approx. 2-3cm behind that first one, which is their backup mounting suggestion if you don't want to go for boot center. We slid the demo bindings back and skied it there for a few runs last year and it feels fine, but we're bigger fans of the "Candide line" if we're being totally honest.
Hopefully that makes sense, but let us know if you have any followup questions...you can message us here or on our facebook page or at avantalpine@gmail.com
If you're in Colorado this season, we'll have a few pairs you can demo, and we'd be happy to move the whole binding up and back between the two lines so you can try both.
Great thorough review. What do you think of the Icelantic Nomad 105 compared to the Candide 2.0?
The Candide is better at literally everything except maybe heavy wet snow, then the Icelantic has an advantage.
How do you compare ct2.0 to prodigy 2.0 except the width difference? I mounted my 3.0 at CT line, and I felt too much tail in moguls. It also felt very catchy on icy snow until I added half degree base bevel. Do you notice the same thing on 2.0? I'm looking to get a 90-100mm ski like 2.0 series or Sky 7 hd for daily and mogul use. 3.0 is a little too wide for me to use on hard conditions. What do you suggest?
Totally different skis. The Candide is really an all mountain "freestyle" ski insofar as it can basically double as a park ski and an all-mountain do-everything ski for a lot of people with a certain type of skiing background. The Prodigy 2.0 and 3.0 are both partial twins that aren't really suited to park/freestyle use, at least not compared to other stuff that's out there designed with that use in mind. Prodigy 2.0 compares really well to the Rossi S series if you ask me, there are a lot of shape and profile similarities...the newer HD versions from Rossi is a bit stiffer than their past versions, and also a bit stiffer than each comparable Prodigy, which may be a good or bad thing depending on your needs. I rode the 2.0 Prodigy extensively in moguls last Spring and LOVED it for that. It's pretty much the perfect size, and the softer tip and generous rocker makes it really easy to whip fast, tight turns and match the channels in your mogul lines. Shoot us an email at Avantalpine@gmail.com if you want to talk more about it...nice bike btw, I have a 2012 Bonneville that I've kinda done a hybrid tracker job with.
Avant Alpine Thanks! Really like your reviews! Keep adding more brand.
Thanks man. We're adding some J Skis reviews shortly and hopefully some stuff on Folsom Customs. We'll have more on-snow stuff as soon as Colorado resorts open up more and we're able to get out on more skis.
Is this castle mountain
Arapahoe Basin
I thought it was awesome that the way you described your skiing style is spot on to mine. I'm really interested in these skis.
What's about a skieur to make the video??
Just ordered a pair of Candide 2.0 2017/2018 with Marker Griffon 13 with 40% discount :) Can't wait to try them out.
where?!! I need one.
Just ordered the 2018/2019 2.0
Great review. I just enjoy watching you ski on them too haha. I'm pretty new to skiing but progression has been fast as I have been snowboarding for quite a few years and some of the skills i.e. balance just transfer over really. I think the CT 2.0 are perfect for what I want in a ski. Kind of a 'do it all' weapon.
Nick Linacre we agree, although for early progression maybe also check out the Prodigy series as it's a little more forgiving overall especially for folks just switching over or getting into their first solid ski setup. We also carry the RMU North Shore series which may be a winner for you as well, especially if you're looking for something that'll give you better access to powder.
Thanks for the response. I have a bit of a rookie question for you. At 7:07 in the video you push off with your right leg. I see plenty of skiers (mostly freestyle) that push off with the outer leg. What is the difference between this style and the more cross-country/Nordic 'V' shape skate style and which is better?
Further to my last question, here are some examples.
The way Candide pushes off at 0:34 - ruclips.net/video/2aXFPZjCsok/видео.html
vs.
Nordic style Skate Skiing - ruclips.net/video/brGZlZkCwyk/видео.html
They look like different techniques to me but it could be my newbie eyes and they might be the same haha.
This is an interesting question that I've never gotten before and never really thought about, to be honest. I just do what feels natural to me in any given situation, and that's probably the key. I think the best answer I can give you is that both versions are basically the same motion and purpose, but you've gotta think about what's going on in x-country/nordic skiing compared to alpine downhill. In Nordic skiing you're usually generating ALL of your own power and momentum through "skating", meaning the motion is going to be a lot longer and the angles of your edge will be more exaggerated to give you the maximum amount of purchase for each stride, especially when climbing. In Alpine skiing, typically you're just using it to give yourself a small push (like what you saw me do to scoot up in the lift line) or you're trying to preserve the momentum from a downhill portion over a flat spot (like in the Candide video you linked). In the latter instance, your objective is to give yourself a small but meaningful boost to keep from slowing down, which means you'd want your edges to stay pretty parallel...parallel edges = less snow resistance on flat spots. So really it's about what feels best or works best in any given situation. I also use a more open "V" type stance like you described from Nordic skiing when I'm attempting to skate uphill, as the open stance gives you more edge grip to keep you from sliding backwards.
Thank you for the detailed response. I appreciate it.
Straight forward review and replys, I like it. Just purchased these in 188, cant wait to ski them. Maybe more terrain diversity in the video and speed would be nice but really liked the review. Hard to see these as a park ski though, too wide in my opinion.
You'll see when you ski them. Definitely park worthy. They won't seem fat at all once you've been on them a couple days
Unfortunately it was very late season when we got on these for filming and we only had a couple days with them, so we were limited in terms of terrain variety by what was open at A-Basin at that time. I got them up to the high 40s at least in that vid, probably low 50s a couple times. Gopros suck at conveying speed unfortunately, especially when you've got the camera snugged up so it won't wobble because shaky camera FEELS faster for whatever reason. Go watch a World Cup training run in Downhill or Super G sometime. They legitimately don't seem like they're going that fast until they're well over 60mph and/or the camera starts bouncing around cause they hit some weird snow.
....no kickerjumps, no butters, no rails, no boxes....such characterics should also be reviewed exspecially of a park/allmountain ski.....
Fair enough, but we haven't consistently skied park for a couple years due to so many injuries. Looking to get someone onboard next season who skis lots of park in order to film those laps for us. The Candide 2.0 is pretty thoroughly established as one of the most capable park skis out there, though.
Thanks a lot, thats a point I can understand so well (LOL)...
Yeah man, we're all 30 now and have a business to run...kinda hard to ski a lot of park anymore with our injury histories, we're too fragile! Emphasis these days is just skiing as hard as we can while also making it to the end of the season in one piece. Hoping to find a couple legit guys who can help us shoot some quality jumps and jibs on some of our more park-specific skis for future review videos.
So after 2 month on the CT 2 I can tell you that this is one of the most well balanced skis I´ve been on.... unbelieveable the top swingweight and the light feeling in the air...the only sad thing is the lack of quality of the base....after the second rail a fat coreshot....don´t misunderstand me such things can happen if you ski the ski properly but the bases is soooo thin that you have nearly no chance to repair them correct with Epoxy...after 2 month the bases look more damaged than my 2 year old Park Line Chronics.....and this point is very sad when you look to the price of those boards......on the other side one of the most funny and playful skis.....perfect to shred the whole mountain like an overdimensional park if the bases survive it.......
@@PureriderNr2 yeah, quality is hilarious. Buddies didn't last a season. If you want to land on rocks and get no core shots, I suggest moment or on3p with 4000 bases.
The 3's and 4's are great for big mountain because they are stiffer.
That’s a crime to mount those all mountain those are park skis!!!
August Menetre they're directional twin tips which means they're not fully symmetrical. You can mount them true center if you want but it doesn't really make a ton of sense considering you'd be in front of the camber at that point. We mount them at the "Candide line" which is camber center.
@@avantalpine8075 "A freestyle child at heart, the Candide 2.0's symmetrical shape and responsive poplar/beech core excels on jumps, lips and massive straight airs." - Faction
Hey it's Pali. :D
doesn't look like you ever had your outside ski up on edge even once - you simply washed out every turn - might be cool for pow but there is no way you could get any sort of crisp carved turns on groomers with that wide a waist
Well first off, that's simply not true. Locked them on edge a few times in this vid...but no, realistically this is not a carving ski, and the icy late season conditions we had it in for this video really emphasize that. When I got them into long turns fully on edge, it was mostly on mellow faster blues, nothing super steep. The fact these can't handle a massive proper GS turn has a lot more to do with the minimal amount of camber and more all-mtn-freestyle type of flex and less to do with waist width, though. Get on something like the Shaggy's Ahmeek 105 or Nordica Enforcer 100, or any of the Faction Dictators regardless of width...you'll see what I mean.