FFXIV: An Introduction to Uptime
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
- Uptime and Downtime are fairly self explanatory as far as concepts go. Ability to attack the boss, or inability to. But there's a lot more that goes into it, and a lot of ways it leads back to improving your play at a base level. So while this topic can go really deep, let's introduce a few concepts to think about.
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Nothing much, what's up with you Wesk?
Classic advice:
- Hit it very hard
- Hit it very fast
- More DoTs
- More DoTs now
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- Okay stop DoTs
Honestly, I have used all your job videos to start and even fine tune if I feel like something feels off as I am playing. I direct everyone who plays to check out your videos, especially if they are asking about a new class they decided to play. Your mechanics video is one that greatly improved my confidence with new encounters. The principles in your videos are good not just for FFXIVbut any MMORPG. I appreciate that you start from the beginning/simple as those are the things that will help you master your play. To be able to break it down so well demonstrates how you have mastered your art of tutorial and gameplay. Thank you for your work.
Wesk is hands down one of the most underrated members of the FF14 content creation community.
I’m glad you’re back to making this content, you blow all other ffxiv creators away.
That Storge clip was really impressive. I shall have to mess that up next time i get it in Roulette.
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Always Be Casting. Even if it's the wrong skill, it's better than no skill.
With an asterisk. Spamming a ranged skill is better than nothing, but not much better. And you have those weird cases like Scathe that actually is worse than dropping the GCD and moving because it will cost you a Fire IV at minimum.
@@MatsuzoSF Not if you're in ice phase, or depending on your rotation, below lvl 72 (since you won't have Despair to dump your last 1200mp on fire phase).
@@iPlayOnSpica Sure, if you're below level 72 it won't kill you. Ice phase maybe until level 80, but after that you have enough instants that you shouldn't need it- especially when you hit 90 and are now casting Paradox every ice phase.
Absolutely class thumbnail I love it
I feel like uptime and related subjects are actually kind of high level stuff in ffxiv because you need to understand a few key koncepts and be able to plan ahead. It's not like the game tells you that "this is your pixel, there are many like it but this one is yours" but I feel that the planning part is key in this. Planning requires you to know and to understand how to approach fights. For example I see a lot of people just stop casting because they are afraid to die and do not understand that the goal is to do mechanics and damage at the same time, not do one or the other.
I don't think it's an issue of people not understanding that potencies are weaker for melee ranged attacks but that they are preoccupied with not doing wrong (dying etc) instead of trying to do things right. Anxiety would tell us that we risk more with trying to do right than to focus on not doing wrong but it's usually the other way around.
Thanks for all you do for the community, Wesk. Awesome and really useful as usual
You are literally everywhere man. I see you ingame, on reddit, and now youtube.
I adore the way monk plays and I'm not the kind of person that thinks it needs a ranged attack (even if it would be useful for niche things like pulling specific enemies out of a group in some places outside of regular duties like PotD or whatever), but I do think it's a pretty bad way to go about things to say that people who say monk doesn't have a ranged option are "almost guaranteed to be bad players". They don't have a ranged option. They *do* have a *disengage* option, and for the vast majority of situations it gets the job done where *specifically* keeping melee uptime on a boss is concerned, but that does not a ranged option make.
I like the video overall (and most everything you make), and think this is a super useful video for newer players, but that was just a really weird way to go about that imo even if I get the point you were going for. I especially think as much since most of the time I see people talk about wanting a ranged monk attack it's because they think a ki blast or something would just be cool, or for niche situations like I mentioned above. Love ya content and hope you keep it up as always, I just don't like the idea of people being assumed bad for acknowledging reality
Ranged and Disengage options are one and the same. If you are told SSS is your ranged option and fight it, then I genuinely don't know what you're doing except doing exactly the wrong thing.
@@WeskAlberThis is such an odd response when you yourself acknowledge in the video that not every scenario that calls for a ranged attack is adequately covered by SSS, with that DRU joke
@@LastGreatDen DRU is also an Ultimate. Extreme examples are exceptions, not the norm. The norm is, SSS is no different and actually better, even.
And in DRU, even the jobs with ranged attacks aren't happy if they're getting Downtime patterns.
@@WeskAlber I feel like you're missing my point. You use your ranged attacks on other jobs when you need to disengage in a bossfight sure, but SSS simply isn't a ranged attack and cannot fill all the roles of one. They are not one and the same when there are other things ranged attacks are used for, even if mostly outside of the context of an ongoing fight where you can map out your uptime. I even specified that I mostly see people ask for a ranged attack because they think it would be cool, and one of the niche things it would be useful for for that very reason.
If I said "sad monk doesn't have a ranged attack" and someone replied "you have SSS" then we're not having the same conversation and it would be insane for them to think I'm bad for that. If I said "sad monk doesn't have something to deal with moving away from the boss for a GCD" and they replied the same thing, they'd be good to go and totally justified to think I'm just playing the game wrong
I don't think monk *needs* a ranged attack since not having one makes for the most satisfying and fun experience of fishing for uptime strategically using SSS and thunderclap for me personally. I still think that calling people bad for recognising that the class does not have a ranged attack is just the wrong way to go about things
@@CardinalSpirit You're kinda getting upset over nothing, dude
I have decided to learn Black Mage for my next character - and learning to slide-cast on it has been a treat. (your Black Mage Levelling guide has also been good to learning openers.
BLM is one of the best for learning to slidecast. I removed Scathe from my bar for like 30 levels just to teach myself to slidecast better and use my instant casts more effectively.
lmao I am obsessed with watching that Heretic's Fork dodge at 7:51. I thought I was good at it; you have it pixel perfect. But yeah one of the most valuable things I did for myself when I was a baby raider was watching top-tier tank players stream prog and I realized just how little they moved and how well they timed their disengages. That one thing alone took me from straight grey parses my first tier to purples my second.
Great video. I have been considering my Uptime recently as I've been Gunbreaker almost exclusively lately.
Hey Wesk! I just saw you at the Gold Saucer, but I got pulled into a raid as soon as I said hi. Just wanted to reiterate that I love your videos, love your outlook on games, and love that we have similar gaming experiences--seeing you put that similar experience to work is really inspirational for me. I used to struggle with bothering to optimize my gameplay in ANY game, instead taking my intuition and running with it, but FFXIV--and especially YOU--have changed that in me. Thanks for helping to make the community more knowledgeable, and thanks for putting yourself out there.
Thank you for making this video. I've always loved your job guides, but uptime is where new players typically lose the majority of their dps, no matter how well or poorly they understand their specific dps kit. It can be a difficulty subject to explain clearly and concisely, and you did a wonderful job
Hey, I started playing late last year and I cleared P9s and P10s these past two months for the first time. Not just that, but I've been playing each role very well too. I've watched your guides a lot, and it's because of them that I was able to get those clears and have so much fun too. Thank you.
there is nothing your videos can teach me at this point
But I still enjoy just watching them
Great video, thank you!
I had no idea you could dodge Storge like that. I am humbled.
Getting uptime isn't greedy, it's just "playing well".
I'm glad I saw this I'm a casual player off and on since arr but I've heard uptime a lot and learned lot
Wesk, you’re great. Don’t waste your introduction with the splash screen, start talking immediately. This will help your retention. Think of it like viewership uptime, would you waste a GCD or two right at the start of the fight declaring that you are entering battle? I think not…😅
As a melee I'm very guilty of many of these pitfalls, I've always been slightly aware of it but never thought about how much I'm missing out with these small mistakes, this video was a big eye opener :)
i've just switched to main-ing reaper as i want to use that class for Dawntrail, and I'm coming from having played the game on ranged DPS this entire time. the mindset shift of How To Mechanic while trying to stay glued to the boss circle has been.. interesting? i know i'm terrible at it but you gotta start somewhere. thanks for this video, seeing you navigating mechanics to pixel level precision was pretty inspiring and something to work towards.
Storge actually has some decent leeway in there! It just looks tougher than it is!
Also, play on wired internet if possible, and increase the data priority of your device (sometimes called gaming mode or qol) in your router settings if not.
I play on both a tower and a steamdeck and there is a very noticable difference in the dodging windows between the two.
Oh god, the aoe spread is such chaos. Ive gotten to the point where, unless im melee and riding the rear with a buncha others, ill just stand still, because its normally easier yo let the lemmings scatter and just keeping the aoe stationary.
Edit: Ive never thought if using SSS for that, i should go monk layer today and give it a try.
melee uptime is also good for healers and magical ranged since their auto attacks are melee, especially for SCH and SMN which booksmacks do more damage than the other mages (despite many ppl meme SMN as physical ranged, we can't throw our books from a distance for autos)
One thing I notice is when I'm doing two mob pulls I lose a lot of uptime running from pack a to pack b. So as a war I spam some Tomahawk on mob pack I'm pulling to keep my gcd Rolling. This causes me to go slower tho. Is there a better way of keeping uptime?
Uptime is irrelevant when w2wing since you AoE it all down once you stop. Sprint before pulling the first group then speed right to the second.
While the entirety of the video is correct and very helpful, especially some of the Six Sided Star comments, which I constantly hear people calling useless, I do feel like sometimes people tend to forget or ignore that latency can be and is a major frustration for those of us outside of locations with dedicated servers. I play at 170ms, if I tried half of the late dodges shown in this video I'd have been hit 100% of the time due to how bad snapshotting is for me. Of course latency isn't a complete dismissal of the points elevated on this video and I understand that it isn't the reason why the video was made in the first place, however if I personally tried to bob SSS's back and forth and tried to dodge last second I would most likely get hit more often than not, that doesn't mean I am a bad player but that I have a comparative handicap at all times. I have personally learned to live with it and pick my battles carefully so to speak, I'd rather get two ranged attacks in instead of risking a potential death. Piercing Talon is 150 potency but a death is 0 potency and a debuff, or a full party wipe depending on the encounter, I personally believe at least a passing mention to latency would've been welcome. Regardless of my rant this was a very good informative video for most of the playerbase, those of us in regions without dedicated servers unfortunately can only nod in agreement and cry a little from the safety of our lost uptime.
Of course latency plays a big part, but also there's very much a limit that it goes from a reason to an excuse. One Ult raider I know has similar levels of ping. It's harder, but far from impossible. Most play around 100 and 170 isn't that much higher in terms of overall time.
You still need to try and learn your limits as a high ping player. And if you really can't hit it, then you learn by doing. If you have 0 vulns, you're unlikely to die to most things.
@@WeskAlber @ribas3814 Speaking as someone who plays on NA from SEA with a ping hovering around 400 and raids savage--the latency thing just means you shift your whole dodge window slightly earlier. What you see on your screen is constantly slightly behind what the server registers, so while this means you need to disengage slightly earlier than what you see Wesk doing, it means you can also _re-engage_ earlier than what you see him doing. The amount of time you need for the dodge is exactly the same; it's just a matter of getting a feel for _when_ to do the dodge. I'll regularly be dodging back in a tiny split second _before_ the orange disappears on my screen, and I still don't get hit. Also stuff like dodges on P12S wing cleaves: I can actually step into the side being cleaved a split second before the cleave animation even begins and not get hit.
...also, having high ping often means you get nigh-infinite slidecast lol
The real issue is if you have latency that is _unstable_ , because then you can't learn consistent dodge windows. It's why I raid with a VPN despite said VPN not doing a thing to lower my ping overall: it keeps my ping extremely _consistent_
You didn't actually explained the "updog" term! That was the only reason I watched.
Not much, how about you?
Memes aside, "updog" is short for "uptime dog". It's a strat for handling the dog/centaur jumps in P8S animals 1 that guarantees full melee uptime.
The original joke i was told goes like this:
"You smell that? It smells like updog in here."
You fish for your homie to ask, "What's up dog?" Like wattup dawg. "Not much, what up with you" classic dad joke
2 huge notes:
1) I love you used p9n because it has 3-4 players taking damage so the healers need to use AOE heals anyway so it's TOTALLY FINE to stand in 1 of the fires if it means you keep uptime.
2) everyone talks about max melee but this leads some people to think they ALWAYS need to be max melee or outside of the boss hitbox. This isn't the case, positionals work inside the hitbox just as much as outside, and sticking with the other DPS means easier to cure 3, healing waltz, baiting enemy AOEs all in 1 spot instead of all over Narnia
the the other fun thing about P9 is that in the savage version those aoes are pair stacks, so I'm always like eh, whatever, it was intended XD
put in description the videos you mention
I only recall the mechanics video, but I've added that now.
@@WeskAlber yes that was the one, cheers.
all youtubers seem to be stuck 2010 era when the mentioned videos would automatically appear in the right corner.
@@Coreycry Actually, that's not automatic either! That's self added! Here I can even add that too!
I usually do, I just didn't think of it this video.
Aight I'll say it. What's updog? 😁
I'm a RDM lol having a gap closer really helps having a gap opener really helps :D hehe but seriously on certain fights say Barbaria can't remember the boss name it was storm's crown that fight was so damny busy I was forgetting which spell i ended on to keep black/white magics balanced LOL
uptime is good for dps but not so good in savage content
I wish you would have gone more into detail on keeping uptime for casters, especially the blm players since they tend to need it. Im trying to teach someone who exclusively plays blm the principles of uptime and using their instant cast spells, but running into a lot of issues with explaining and showing them how to do it practically, as well as how to get them to practice it. If you know a good way to practice avoiding aoes while doing ones rotation in a controlled and manageable environment id really really appreciate it
BLM falls very much into specifically BLM only issues. It becomes about planning out your movement as you learn a fight, dedicating as many movement tools as you need to it. Slidecasting only gets you so far with BLM.
Hilariously, with BLM, the advice is going to be most like SMN, who seems to be on the extreme opposite end of the spectrum. But it's true: being able to maintain 100% uptime on both jobs is more about knowing the fight very well and arranging your entire rotation around aligning your instant-cast options with times where you _need_ to move. And so in a fight you _don't_ know reasonably well, it's pretty much impossible to have full uptime because inevitably there will be a point where they NEED to move while all you have are hard casts.
In the case of BLM, it also means that sometimes you have no choice but to misalign your leylines with party buffs, because 2min comes at a point where there is no possible way to plant and stay still.
And sometimes, even with all that, they still have to drop a GCD or two if they don't have a fixed static who's willing to let them chad a melee spot or do BLM-relative adjustments.
If trying to just teach the skill of adjusting rotation around fight, I'd advise just repeatedly queue for a handful of level 90 normal raids that they know well, and as they start to memorize the sequence of mechs, to start to preempt them and adjust rotation to match.
Past that point, if trying to improve uptime on a particular high end fight, the advice would be "ask other BLMs" =P
also with ranged attacks on melee Jobs, Paladin players, please stop using shield lob, holy spirit is better. This does not apply to pulling a boss, pull bosses shield lob and nothing else and ranged attack with holy spirit.
Eh? PLD also pulls with holy spirit. It's part of the listed opener and everything, is higher potency, and makes it easier to position the boss center. Only time I pull with lob is if I need the boss to stay all the way at the north edge and so need to be sprinting in. That is... pretty much never though.
But yes, it's very sad any time I see a PLD disengage to timbuktu and then stand there lobbing for like 4-5 times in a row. If you have to disengage, but can stand still upon disengaging, then cast/slidecast. The devs very deliberately didn't raise the potency of PLD's Shield Lob to match the other tanks' ranged throws and left it at a pathetic 100 potency _becase we have a 330 potency spell_
@jessw2268 if you aren't MT yeah use holy spirit but if you're MT you can lose a GCD on a shit ton of fights which means your burst window is delayed by a GCD which you can get less damage (much more important damage might i add) after the pull happens because raid buffs end before finish your burst and over the course of fight that adds up.
@@Zephyr-Queen ...what? Why would you be losing a GCD? In a proper raid environment you begin the cast at -2 in the countdown, which has the attack land when the countdown hits 0 and then you meet the boss and start the rest of the rotation by the next GCD. You lose nothing. If you can't cross the space between you and boss in 2.5 seconds, then you need to position yourself closer for the cast and also learn to slidecast, is all. This is how every PLD pulls in Savage and up and has been ever since we first GOT holy spirit
@jessw2268 how much time passes in between when you finish casting holy spirit and when you start your 1-2-3? any amount of time above a few milliseconds and everyone will be a GCD ahead of you, including the bosses auto attacks, your opener will likely not be heavily affected but every 2 minutes you'll miss out on a atonement during raid buffs which will add up. this current raid series this wasn't too prevalent because of hitboxes being the size of Texas but it's still a thing and should be considered. Think of it this way: If the between holy spirit and the 1-2-3 isn't less than the difference between a ninja and Dragoon's GCD, then don't use it.
@@Zephyr-Queen ...my dude, again, just position yourself closer before the pull, slidecast, and sprint if you have to. Don't forget, as you are moving towards the boss, the boss is also coming to meet YOU (assuming it's not a wall boss). The time beween my cast hitting and before my 1-2-3 begins is exactly the same amount of time as the time between everyone else's ranged attack and when they begin their 1-2-3. I main PLD in savage, and have not once had an issue getting to the boss by the time my GCD roll was done, with full burst under raid buffs.
Tbh its great that "ALWAYS. BE. CASTING!" from JoCat is literally a Gif in Discord in default :D
It was also a nice change with Endwalker that Tank Range Attacks like Tomahawk etc dont break combos anymore (you can even use "Lightning Shot" (GNB Range) when you are in Gnashing Fang) what really helps to keep the GCD rolling^^
You're already punished enough having to do those ranged attacks in the first place. Breaking your combo was just kicking you while you were down.
@@MatsuzoSF True or have to run away as WAR and have not enough "Anger Gauge" to use your Gap closer (yeah that was a thing before Endwalker for the new one here WAR Gapcloser cost 20 Gauge but has higher range (and of course no CD) then the gap closer from the 3 other tanks)