This doesn't happen with every Windows update. Some people who are running Windows 10 are running it on PCs literally incapable of running Windows 11 because of it's hardware requirements. If your PC ran Windows 7 fine, it ran 8 fine, it ran 8.1 fine and it's running Windows 10 fine. Last time this happened was with Windows XP -> Vista.
I beg to differ, if MS dropped their stupid TPM requirement and made that memory security thing a recommended (default on if the hardware is there) setting instead of just demanding it (and including an off switch anyway) then anything that can run Windows 10 would happily run Windows 11. In fact when you manually bypass these requirements in the setup things that run Windows 10 DO happily run Windows 11, it's just MS being annoying and creating e-waste for no good reason.
@@AdamKafei That's the main requirement I'm talking about, that and I think one of the recent updates introduced an actual CPU architecture requirement that some oldest x86-64 CPUs don't support. If they removed the TPM requirement, and used these lower compatibility binaries only used them on supported hardware while using SSE1 binaries for older CPUs, I agree, most people would upgrade. Then the situation would be identical to previous three Windows releases, a bunch of people who just don't like the new version(hey, that's me!) complaining, but it's not. There are hardware requirements that if not met prevent you from installing and or running Windows 11, and can introduce instability and possibility of not getting updates, Microsoft claims.
I am still convinced sometime before summer, Microsoft will give in an announce that Windows 10 will be supported for another 3-5 years because so many businesses will refuse to go to Windows 11 before the deadline.
@@jb1139 Some X-ray, CAT scan and MRI are using windows xp. Cheers, a certified nurse. Though they run on intranet and are hard blocked to phone into common www.
I doubt Microsoft cares honestly, or is concerned. It’s not like EOL means the computer stops working. They will just enjoy the slow trickle of “windows 11 gaining market share” as people slowly migrate of windows 10. Spin machine will win this one
Ironically, a lot of Ubuntu users DID actually do exactly what you mentioned. They refused to update to the "Unity" variant, and a lot who did immediately switched over to GNOME instead, with new themes coming out that would fit the Ubuntu standard at the time. This was ABSOLUTELY a thing.
If you MUST run Windows, run 10 or 11 IoT LTSC and don’t even think about other versions. 11 IoT LTSC is performing a touch better than 10 in its current state.
Interesting, in what way does it perform better? I just changed my dual boot from w11 to w10LTSC IoT, did not know about W11 LTSC. Still, the RAM usage and overall lag difference is astonishing
Windows 10 did not have a massive release gap - it was just that every release between Windows 10 RTM and Windows 11 was also called Windows 10 per the WindowsAsAService model that Win10 introduced. If anything, Windows 10 actually had an extremely consistent release schedule... one of the only good things to have come out of Windows 10. The only time Windows had a weird release time gap, for obvious reasons, was Longhorn due to its development hell. 11:01 To be fair, they straight-up *did* - MATE was born to continue the experience as a way to do so.
Yeah, Linux users generally won't cling to an old OS release, but some will absolutely stay on an older version of a package! Or even fork a project outright because "older was better".
MS: Windows XP is coming up for EOL, buy WIndows 7/8/8.1. MS Later: Windows XP is going to be EOL in the coming days, buy something new... Also MS: Well since you all refused to buy something new we guess we'll give you another ten years of Windows XP updates...
I was a windows 7 user up until a couple weeks ago. I just switched to Linux, and it works so well. WINE is at the point where it can run the remaining software that doesn't have a native linux release (looking at you adobe). Now I do still have my old win7 boot drive available if I ever need to boot back into it, but I'm not sure I will need to. Now I do still have other machines running 7, this is just my main workstation I've switched over on. I don't plan on touching those, they all serve a specific purpose that needs to remain unchanged for the foreseeable future.
Adobe is only on Windows because MS dropped a bunch of money on them (it used to be a Mac exclusive). Maybe Valve should do the same to get it on SteamOS. It really is still the biggest hurdle.
@ regular 7 SP1 ISO that you can find pretty easily, updated with simplix update pack 7r2 (brings the system up to date as of January 2025, including ESUs), and I was using Firefox ESR 115, but given it doesn't have much left in terms of security updates, Supermium is what I'd go for now.
i don't think developers will stop making programs for 10 just because it's eol if windows xp and 7 was any indicator, you'll probably see programs written for windows 10 past 2030
yeah, like we're at a point with XP, where with community projects like OneCoreAPI and Supermium, it is more usable in the modern day than it was a few years ago. I think 10 will be fine.
I still support XP with my software. I don't see what benefit is there from targeting anything after that if you don't need cutting edge DirectX or similar things.
Everyone that was able and willing to switch to 11, already switched. Very much agree that the Win10 marketshare will be basically unchanged by EOL. Gonna be interesting to see how the Steam Hardware Survey will end up in the coming years. Especially seeing how many will just stay on 10 not wanting to jump to Linux and incapable of going to 11...
Not everyone. I have Windows 10 & Windows 11 systems. The ones with 11 had it natively. I also run MacOS, and various Linux systems... only one BSD based system currently. Sometimes people make choices for different reasons. I'm migrating away from Windows in general. It's garbage and spyware.
Windows 10 disappears from one of my dual boot machine before October. If Windows 11 gets irritating enough, it will disappear from my newer laptop, too. Already, I use windows for little other than updates and running a Linux virtual machine for checking out major Linux releases. I want an OS, not a bunch of bloatware.
Oh yeah. They pulled the automatic update on me a few weeks ago when I was still getting everything with Linux settled. I was so pissed I formatted the drive and didn't reinstall until I had to for school. That was beyond infuriating.
A quote from a M$ employee was misread -- the employee was describing windows 10 as the last (as in most recently released) version of windows. Poor choice of words from that employee
@@td19xyz I was alive and conscious. They said it was gonna be the only version of Windows and would just receive updates. They were very clear that no new versions of Windows would be released.
modern viruses dont target windows 95 and Amiga or commodore they target NT Windows, its why Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7, and 8 are deadly to run Windows 11/10 viruses CAN AND WILL RUN on Windows 7/8
putting a Win95/98 computer online in 2004: deadly putting a Win95/98 computer online in 2024: its not important data and its an entirely different codebase that simply isn't targeted anymore. nobody cares about DOS or BASIC because you're not going to get anything important the only modern viruses that Target WinDOS machines are bank skimmers, which do nothing on a retro gaming rig
Got red pilled when windows 8 came out. Dunno how I explain my mom how her pc is now a 200 usd paperweight in october, its not windows 11 "capable". And she is not that bright to use a linux based system.
Does she know her way around Windows settings and how to troubleshoot it if something goes wrong? Because if not, Linux won't make it any worse, and if anything would probably help with certain annoyances and risks, like slow start-up times, obnoxious pop-ups, and the potential for malware. If all she needs is a browser and office suite (as is true for so many people), you might be pleasantly surprised to see just how smooth the transition can be if you give her Linux Mint and turn on automatic updates.
@@muizzsiddique Indeed, and I nearly said Developer Preview, BUT Microsoft left builds after Developer Previews' Metro UIs also Redpill-locked until finally killing the lockade entirely a bunch of builds later. Ironically, Developer Preview was also the same and only had Metro UI BECAUSE Microsoft unlocked Redpill in the distributed compiles of Developer Preview (except eeap which just omitted Metro UI entirely at the time).
my hope is for people to try their best to give Linux a shot, but i know alot of people will just go ahead and swap to 11 anyway Ive been doing the migration to Linux recently while at the same time setting up a GPU Accelerated VM for stuff like my video editor and DAW and other stuff that don't work Linux side running windows 11, just for that specific purpose, to be a work environment, so far the migration has been pretty good and been downsizing my windows partition after fully moving my Vegas Pro stuff to the VM other then that yeah windows 10 going EOL with that much people still on it coming real soon, i wonder how things are going to go there for sure
Doesn't the VM absolutely kill audio latency? I guess it might just not be important for the kind of work you are doing… And x86 already isn't able to uphold any _hard_ real-time guarantees so maybe that point is moot. But also, have you looked into JACK or pipewire? And what do you think of Ardour | other native Linux DAWs? The professional audio stack we have over here is pretty solid AFAIU (tho I can't confidently judge anything outside the most low-level parts of it - I'm primarily a programmer and I haven't done anything serious with audio yet).
@@mskiptr it depends on how you setup audio on the VM, for me as of the moment its bearable, but i would want to get a external audio capture card to allow me to get better audio through put also who said the VM was 32 bit, its a 64 bit VM, its not like im running this stuff on VMWare or VirtualBox, im using virt-manager with KVM/QEMU
@@mskiptr also i have, but all of the plugins i use are windows based plugins with no real good alternatives, basically i use LMMS as my DAW which would go well, but not all of my plugins work via wine, so i would rather just have things on the VM, that way i know 100% that things are going to work, its better on the VM then rebooting my PC every time to access the windows partition which im soon going to ditch
@ another thing is my system currently uses pipewire, also Audour, i have taken a look at it, but the way its setup just doesn't work with how my workflow is, almost every Linux related DAW outside of LMMS just doesn't give me the workflow I'm used to at this point
Many people still used windows 7 for 2-4 years after support ended. I don't see why windows 10 support ending would be any different as far as people just using 10 for years after.
Lol I still run a Windows 7 system as a media hosting server and a dedicated game server. The community is great about keeping EOL Windows versions alive. Now if we could get that kind of support for PowerPC and early Intel Macs.
I got a copy of 10 RTM a couple days before release I managed to get a copy on July 27th 2015 and upgraded my machine from 8.1 to 10 early because I hated Windows 8.1 so much
Windows 7 was a great operating system but people forget that Windows 10 had major performance improvements for general gaming over Windows 8.1, so that's why on the Steam HW survey with Windows 7 going EOL people jumped immediately to 10 because it was the next best thing next to 7 and it wasn't the horrible tablet GUI of 8 or the slightly bland 8.1. The caveat being that Windows 7 required less ram and storage for the OS to run, but Windows 10 exponentially increased the Hardware requirements, so people who couldn't upgrade at the time stuck with Windows 7 even after upgrading their hardware because the barrier to entry felt like a slight against them by Microsoft. You can see that happening again with Windows 11 and the TPM requirements, less and less people will move to Windows 11 and instead go to Linux/SteamOS whenever it realeases, or wait for Windows 12.
A bit off topic but about windows 8. We can thank or rather shun Julie Larson-Green and Jensen Harris for the disgusting state at which application/icon design is in. flat and soulless as they designed the metro UI
people wont change to windows 11 even if they stop supporting w10, like honestly even windows 11 user right now hate it cause it completely sucks, I hope people stop eating microsoft sh*t with this one, once and for all and go try and realize that linux is the better option instead of windows 11 LMAO
About the developers adoption... It's actually the opposite. Most of developer don't care about a low market share platform. If people don't switch to Windows 11, the priority will always be Windows 10.
I switch to Linux specifically Linux Mint after windows 8. I uses Windows 10 both as a dual boot option and a virtual machine. I refuse to update to Windows 11.
It's probably been like 8 years since I last used Windows 10, totally won't miss it when it goes EOL. But really, just because it goes EOL, the normies aren't going to care until everything stop working. Chrome, RUclips, etc etc etc.
Microsoft struck gold with XP, 7, and 10. If having marketshare was their main goal they surely would have tried a better update strategy by now. My not-so-tinfoil-hat theory is that selling user data is so much more profitable than selling windows keys, and win11 is so much better at collecting user data that they don't care if people won't update to 11 since every new desktop and laptop will come with it preinstalled anyways.
It amazes me hearing anybody talk about Windows 10 like it was actually very good to begin with. Windows 11 is another iteration of Windows 10 with a new coat of paint and ChatGPT slapped on top of it now, that also doesn't run on half the computers in service today. People just used Windows 10 because it "ran" well enough on pretty much any computer made in the last 15 years and Windows 11 wasn't even a thought for 6 years following Windows 10's release (unlike the well known Longhorn project), not to mention the fact that Microsoft was doing the same force install BS people now complain about with Windows 11.
On the topic of updating, that was something I was positively surprised by on linux: What do you mean I do not need to make a reboot after updating? xD
So many versions of windows have been Microsoft taking the pulse of their customer base rather than them giving us something inline with our expectations. Sometimes it worked. Windows 95 for example. Big gamble in a UI change, but it paid off. Millennium Edition didn't pay off. XP did. Vista could of worked if it was like 7 out of the gate but the user controls were a non starter. After 7 we are firmly in the Steven Sinofsky era. 8.1 was Microsoft telling us what we _should_ like and were wrong not to. 10 was them begrudgingly giving us (Steve liked those tiles) what they already knew we wanted... and that always made it feel dirty (and the wrong kind of dirty at that). 11 is them messing with us again to see if we'll take it. 12 would normally be a case of them correcting course back to what they already know we actually want. But under Sinofsky, I just don't think they will. I think this time they'll double down. My theater PC is the last Windows 10 holdout in my house until I swap out some hardware in a month or two. After that, I'm done with Microsoft and their frankly creepy behavior.
Remember when XP or 7 ere EOL? How many people switched then? I wouldn't expect much different now. It's basically XP - Vista situation. Windows 11 does not offer anything I want but a lot that I do not want such as start menu in the middle, useless right click menu in explorer, more bloatware and so on - I have to put effort into making it usable while Win 10 already is usable. So I don't plan to switch before some of the apps that I use daily stops working. If all my apps continue to work 10 years, then I will continue to use Win 10 10 years. Or maybe if in that 10 years EU makes regulation that tells them to debloat their windows then I might consider switching of course but I don't see that happening.
Honestly, the hate on Win8/8.1 has always been very overblown. I used it from the beginning, I just installed classic shell(now Open Shell) and bam, same old windows style from 7 and early of using it. Used Windows 8.1 until the Win10 beta rolled out. The interface was always a non-issue, but it was the only thing everyone always complained about. I was also one of those who refused to upgrade Ubuntu when unity/gnome3 came out. Tried them for a little bit but decided it wasn't for me. Why? I only had a 4:3 monitor(HP 1502) and the interface wasted a lot of screen space on those types of monitors. Moved from Ubuntu proper to Ubuntu Mate. I'm a "use it until it breaks" person when it comes to hardware. only got a new monitor because I was building a new PC, and my brother needed a monitor for the system I put together for him.
I got rolled over to 11 by Windows update multiple times lol, that's one of the reason I moved to Linux. It wasn't automatic but dark pattern update prompts is just as bad.
the thing with windows 11 is a lot of developers outright dont wnat to use it or make stuff for it or with it like atall, I havent heard any developer whos willingly moving to 11 besides that no normal person is willingly using 11 unless its pre-insaled, got added by an update they didnt agree too, or are using some othe program to strip 11 or 95% of what comes with it because you only need or want that 5% as the rest is either addware or spyware and/or ai slop -.-
Don't think Microsoft really cares, they don't make a dime on "regular people" who want to stay on old Windows, they've let other popular such as XP and 7 just die.
@@HOBBS-4 Microsoft would probably be OK with just killing Windows and selling office subscriptions on Linux instead. It has twice the revenue, and it cost like nothing to maintain. Outside of enterprise, Windows is arguably not even profitable. But as you know, the big home user mass is part of the marketing.
If I were working on the windows migration, id update win11 to not be able to downgrade back to Win10. Then for win10, sneak in a script that secretly checks compatibility for win11 and if everything is greenlit, sneak in Win11 as a October update as the last feature update. If the check fails, just do nothing.
I would like to know how safe a Windows 10 computer (excluding 3rd party software) is connected to the internet if you use Safing Portmaster and block everything (lan/internet/etc..) by default.
I went DOS -> 3.1 because it was better. I went 3.1 -> 95 then 98 because they were better. I went to win2k because it was *much* better. Every time I've moved to a new windows OS (XP, 7, 10) since, it's been because I've been forced to for compatibility reasons even though my old OS was serving me fine. I won't be moving to 11 unless my arm gets twisted *very* hard. My PC already dual-boots Linux.
The only reason I use windows at this point is for the old ROM kitchens for Windows Mobile. Pretty sure linux won't be supporting xp era executables and drivers.
> XP era executables *clears throat* WINE. Heck, WINE supports 3.1-era executables even. Though I'll give you the point about drivers, because... yeah, obviously that ain't gonna happen 'cos kernel-level shenanigans would be required.
Funny (and sad) to think that Windows 8.1 very nearly shattered that trend and the only reason it didn't was because Windows 10 literally stole its chance at redemption (the Start Menu, windowed Metro apps, etc. were meant to be Windows 8.1's 2nd update, before Windows 10 came in and absorbed the update into itself). We were THAT close to not only having a redeemed Windows 8 but also a modern decent Windows without the ads and slowness Windows 10 is infamous for.
what i find even more wild was windows 11 will only have a 2 feature updates eol so even if you are on windows 11 you can have eol unlike 10 XD i did the best update linux wait wut just checked the steam hardware survey it thinks i got a rtx 3060 i got a amd 780m lol how many gpu's are miscalculated?
How did you come from Windows has a problem to needing to restart Linux? 😂 Sound advice though. And please, don't get the diabetes. I like your videos.
Most those linux users are steam deckas and a larger chuck of the eindows 11 pcs are handheld like ally x and legion go that cant really have windows 10
Those of us still using Win 10 can keep right on using Win 10 after October, and the sky will not fall. What will happen is that without any further updates, Win 10 will gradually become more vulnerable to hackers over a period of months or years. We should all have our computer behind a router with a firewall and current antivirus software, and all our device firmware up to date. There's no hurry to buy a new system just because of Win 10 EOL. Buy a new system when your old system is no longer getting the job done.
I will say something....I actually like 8.1 bc it was really good, I did get to windows 10 when it went eol and yeah (had old pc back then. gt 420 amd something something dual core and 1tb hdd) XD
This doesn't happen with every Windows update. Some people who are running Windows 10 are running it on PCs literally incapable of running Windows 11 because of it's hardware requirements. If your PC ran Windows 7 fine, it ran 8 fine, it ran 8.1 fine and it's running Windows 10 fine.
Last time this happened was with Windows XP -> Vista.
I beg to differ, if MS dropped their stupid TPM requirement and made that memory security thing a recommended (default on if the hardware is there) setting instead of just demanding it (and including an off switch anyway) then anything that can run Windows 10 would happily run Windows 11. In fact when you manually bypass these requirements in the setup things that run Windows 10 DO happily run Windows 11, it's just MS being annoying and creating e-waste for no good reason.
@@AdamKafei That's the main requirement I'm talking about, that and I think one of the recent updates introduced an actual CPU architecture requirement that some oldest x86-64 CPUs don't support. If they removed the TPM requirement, and used these lower compatibility binaries only used them on supported hardware while using SSE1 binaries for older CPUs, I agree, most people would upgrade. Then the situation would be identical to previous three Windows releases, a bunch of people who just don't like the new version(hey, that's me!) complaining, but it's not. There are hardware requirements that if not met prevent you from installing and or running Windows 11, and can introduce instability and possibility of not getting updates, Microsoft claims.
@@AdamKafei It's not no reason. They want a walled garden like Apple. Valve isn't developing SteamOS for nothing.
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I'm honestly expecting microsoft to either be REALLY aggressive or just cave in and extend it by a year or two.
Didn't they do that with XP and kept the security updates going for a while?
5 more years, people are tired of the changes and don't want Ai, Co-pilot and Re-Call.
@@chaos.corner They kept XP open for 14 years with Vista, 7 and 8 released by then, so there were plenty of options for people to pick from.
I am still convinced sometime before summer, Microsoft will give in an announce that Windows 10 will be supported for another 3-5 years because so many businesses will refuse to go to Windows 11 before the deadline.
I am convinced that by then, Microsoft will trash Windows and replace its Kernel with a Linux kernel.
Win-win, as far as I'm concerned.
I believe that they will wait until 1 week after the EoL, see that almost no one actually switched over and extend the EoL by one year.
I mean, how will they be able to. Does anyone think any of the tiny box PCs in medical offices will run win 11? Or even have tpm?
@@jb1139 Some X-ray, CAT scan and MRI are using windows xp. Cheers, a certified nurse. Though they run on intranet and are hard blocked to phone into common www.
I doubt Microsoft cares honestly, or is concerned. It’s not like EOL means the computer stops working. They will just enjoy the slow trickle of “windows 11 gaining market share” as people slowly migrate of windows 10. Spin machine will win this one
Ironically, a lot of Ubuntu users DID actually do exactly what you mentioned. They refused to update to the "Unity" variant, and a lot who did immediately switched over to GNOME instead, with new themes coming out that would fit the Ubuntu standard at the time. This was ABSOLUTELY a thing.
If you MUST run Windows, run 10 or 11 IoT LTSC and don’t even think about other versions. 11 IoT LTSC is performing a touch better than 10 in its current state.
Interesting, in what way does it perform better? I just changed my dual boot from w11 to w10LTSC IoT, did not know about W11 LTSC. Still, the RAM usage and overall lag difference is astonishing
Yeah, what makes 11 better than 10 in this case?
Windows 10 did not have a massive release gap - it was just that every release between Windows 10 RTM and Windows 11 was also called Windows 10 per the WindowsAsAService model that Win10 introduced. If anything, Windows 10 actually had an extremely consistent release schedule... one of the only good things to have come out of Windows 10.
The only time Windows had a weird release time gap, for obvious reasons, was Longhorn due to its development hell.
11:01 To be fair, they straight-up *did* - MATE was born to continue the experience as a way to do so.
Yeah, Linux users generally won't cling to an old OS release, but some will absolutely stay on an older version of a package! Or even fork a project outright because "older was better".
MS: Windows XP is coming up for EOL, buy WIndows 7/8/8.1.
MS Later: Windows XP is going to be EOL in the coming days, buy something new...
Also MS: Well since you all refused to buy something new we guess we'll give you another ten years of Windows XP updates...
I was a windows 7 user up until a couple weeks ago. I just switched to Linux, and it works so well. WINE is at the point where it can run the remaining software that doesn't have a native linux release (looking at you adobe). Now I do still have my old win7 boot drive available if I ever need to boot back into it, but I'm not sure I will need to.
Now I do still have other machines running 7, this is just my main workstation I've switched over on. I don't plan on touching those, they all serve a specific purpose that needs to remain unchanged for the foreseeable future.
Adobe is only on Windows because MS dropped a bunch of money on them (it used to be a Mac exclusive). Maybe Valve should do the same to get it on SteamOS. It really is still the biggest hurdle.
What windows 7 iso do you use?? And what browser do you use?
@ regular 7 SP1 ISO that you can find pretty easily, updated with simplix update pack 7r2 (brings the system up to date as of January 2025, including ESUs), and I was using Firefox ESR 115, but given it doesn't have much left in terms of security updates, Supermium is what I'd go for now.
i don't think developers will stop making programs for 10 just because it's eol
if windows xp and 7 was any indicator, you'll probably see programs written for windows 10 past 2030
yeah, like we're at a point with XP, where with community projects like OneCoreAPI and Supermium, it is more usable in the modern day than it was a few years ago. I think 10 will be fine.
It's often driven by directX. New version of directX comes out, not supported on old machines, new hot game uses it, people start switching.
I still support XP with my software. I don't see what benefit is there from targeting anything after that if you don't need cutting edge DirectX or similar things.
Everyone that was able and willing to switch to 11, already switched.
Very much agree that the Win10 marketshare will be basically unchanged by EOL.
Gonna be interesting to see how the Steam Hardware Survey will end up in the coming years.
Especially seeing how many will just stay on 10 not wanting to jump to Linux and incapable of going to 11...
Not everyone. I have Windows 10 & Windows 11 systems. The ones with 11 had it natively. I also run MacOS, and various Linux systems... only one BSD based system currently. Sometimes people make choices for different reasons. I'm migrating away from Windows in general. It's garbage and spyware.
Windows 10 disappears from one of my dual boot machine before October. If Windows 11 gets irritating enough, it will disappear from my newer laptop, too.
Already, I use windows for little other than updates and running a Linux virtual machine for checking out major Linux releases.
I want an OS, not a bunch of bloatware.
Oh yeah. They pulled the automatic update on me a few weeks ago when I was still getting everything with Linux settled. I was so pissed I formatted the drive and didn't reinstall until I had to for school. That was beyond infuriating.
haha, i have the same settup, Bazzite as my main boot drive with Windows for School and specific games that struggle with linux compatability.
We are running Windows 10 LTSC for our product - we have extended support until 2032 (we are an OEM licensee)
Didnt they say windows 10 was the last windows version and would be updated forever?
yes
A quote from a M$ employee was misread -- the employee was describing windows 10 as the last (as in most recently released) version of windows. Poor choice of words from that employee
That's how it was reported at the time. But MS is excellent at screwing up good ideas and so it didn't pan out.
@@td19xyz I was alive and conscious. They said it was gonna be the only version of Windows and would just receive updates. They were very clear that no new versions of Windows would be released.
Tech nerds: oooh Commodore 64, Windows 95!! I looooove 😻😻💗
Same tech nerds: WHAT!?!? You're using Windows 7?? Blasphemy! 😡
modern viruses dont target windows 95 and Amiga or commodore
they target NT Windows, its why Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7, and 8 are deadly to run
Windows 11/10 viruses CAN AND WILL RUN on Windows 7/8
putting a Win95/98 computer online in 2004: deadly
putting a Win95/98 computer online in 2024: its not important data and its an entirely different codebase that simply isn't targeted anymore.
nobody cares about DOS or BASIC because you're not going to get anything important
the only modern viruses that Target WinDOS machines are bank skimmers, which do nothing on a retro gaming rig
Got red pilled when windows 8 came out. Dunno how I explain my mom how her pc is now a 200 usd paperweight in october, its not windows 11 "capable". And she is not that bright to use a linux based system.
pirate the LTSC version. its supported until 2030/2032
Does she know her way around Windows settings and how to troubleshoot it if something goes wrong? Because if not, Linux won't make it any worse, and if anything would probably help with certain annoyances and risks, like slow start-up times, obnoxious pop-ups, and the potential for malware. If all she needs is a browser and office suite (as is true for so many people), you might be pleasantly surprised to see just how smooth the transition can be if you give her Linux Mint and turn on automatic updates.
> red pilled
Dang you manually enabled prototype Metro UI on pre-Windows 8 Consumer Preview builds?
@@ThatLinuxDude The Metro UI was there for the Developer Preview.
@@muizzsiddique Indeed, and I nearly said Developer Preview, BUT Microsoft left builds after Developer Previews' Metro UIs also Redpill-locked until finally killing the lockade entirely a bunch of builds later.
Ironically, Developer Preview was also the same and only had Metro UI BECAUSE Microsoft unlocked Redpill in the distributed compiles of Developer Preview (except eeap which just omitted Metro UI entirely at the time).
my hope is for people to try their best to give Linux a shot, but i know alot of people will just go ahead and swap to 11 anyway
Ive been doing the migration to Linux recently while at the same time setting up a GPU Accelerated VM for stuff like my video editor and DAW and other stuff that don't work Linux side running windows 11, just for that specific purpose, to be a work environment, so far the migration has been pretty good and been downsizing my windows partition after fully moving my Vegas Pro stuff to the VM
other then that yeah windows 10 going EOL with that much people still on it coming real soon, i wonder how things are going to go there for sure
Doesn't the VM absolutely kill audio latency? I guess it might just not be important for the kind of work you are doing… And x86 already isn't able to uphold any _hard_ real-time guarantees so maybe that point is moot.
But also, have you looked into JACK or pipewire? And what do you think of Ardour | other native Linux DAWs? The professional audio stack we have over here is pretty solid AFAIU (tho I can't confidently judge anything outside the most low-level parts of it - I'm primarily a programmer and I haven't done anything serious with audio yet).
@@mskiptr it depends on how you setup audio on the VM, for me as of the moment its bearable, but i would want to get a external audio capture card to allow me to get better audio through put
also who said the VM was 32 bit, its a 64 bit VM, its not like im running this stuff on VMWare or VirtualBox, im using virt-manager with KVM/QEMU
@@mskiptr also i have, but all of the plugins i use are windows based plugins with no real good alternatives, basically i use LMMS as my DAW which would go well, but not all of my plugins work via wine, so i would rather just have things on the VM, that way i know 100% that things are going to work, its better on the VM then rebooting my PC every time to access the windows partition which im soon going to ditch
@ another thing is my system currently uses pipewire, also Audour, i have taken a look at it, but the way its setup just doesn't work with how my workflow is, almost every Linux related DAW outside of LMMS just doesn't give me the workflow I'm used to at this point
Many people still used windows 7 for 2-4 years after support ended. I don't see why windows 10 support ending would be any different as far as people just using 10 for years after.
Lol I still run a Windows 7 system as a media hosting server and a dedicated game server. The community is great about keeping EOL Windows versions alive. Now if we could get that kind of support for PowerPC and early Intel Macs.
Facebook declared war on people talking about Linux accounts are getting deleted...
I got a copy of 10 RTM a couple days before release I managed to get a copy on July 27th 2015 and upgraded my machine from 8.1 to 10 early because I hated Windows 8.1 so much
Windows 7 was a great operating system but people forget that Windows 10 had major performance improvements for general gaming over Windows 8.1, so that's why on the Steam HW survey with Windows 7 going EOL people jumped immediately to 10 because it was the next best thing next to 7 and it wasn't the horrible tablet GUI of 8 or the slightly bland 8.1.
The caveat being that Windows 7 required less ram and storage for the OS to run, but Windows 10 exponentially increased the Hardware requirements, so people who couldn't upgrade at the time stuck with Windows 7 even after upgrading their hardware because the barrier to entry felt like a slight against them by Microsoft. You can see that happening again with Windows 11 and the TPM requirements, less and less people will move to Windows 11 and instead go to Linux/SteamOS whenever it realeases, or wait for Windows 12.
A bit off topic but about windows 8. We can thank or rather shun Julie Larson-Green and Jensen Harris for the disgusting state at which application/icon design is in. flat and soulless as they designed the metro UI
Windows 11 is a horrible experience 🤮
Look at how linux users keep going up by each year! I dropped windows and upgraded over to mint!
Mint is way better than that spyware garbage.
people wont change to windows 11 even if they stop supporting w10, like honestly even windows 11 user right now hate it cause it completely sucks, I hope people stop eating microsoft sh*t with this one, once and for all and go try and realize that linux is the better option instead of windows 11 LMAO
The average Windows user can't get over the culture shock without the right support.
About the developers adoption... It's actually the opposite.
Most of developer don't care about a low market share platform.
If people don't switch to Windows 11, the priority will always be Windows 10.
I switch to Linux specifically Linux Mint after windows 8. I uses Windows 10 both as a dual boot option and a virtual machine. I refuse to update to Windows 11.
It's probably been like 8 years since I last used Windows 10, totally won't miss it when it goes EOL. But really, just because it goes EOL, the normies aren't going to care until everything stop working. Chrome, RUclips, etc etc etc.
It happened to my windows 7 computer auto update not once but twice I had to block updates for a while because it ran horribly on the system
11:25 yeah because Linux actually are usefull and don't mess up you're configuration
Microsoft struck gold with XP, 7, and 10. If having marketshare was their main goal they surely would have tried a better update strategy by now. My not-so-tinfoil-hat theory is that selling user data is so much more profitable than selling windows keys, and win11 is so much better at collecting user data that they don't care if people won't update to 11 since every new desktop and laptop will come with it preinstalled anyways.
It amazes me hearing anybody talk about Windows 10 like it was actually very good to begin with. Windows 11 is another iteration of Windows 10 with a new coat of paint and ChatGPT slapped on top of it now, that also doesn't run on half the computers in service today. People just used Windows 10 because it "ran" well enough on pretty much any computer made in the last 15 years and Windows 11 wasn't even a thought for 6 years following Windows 10's release (unlike the well known Longhorn project), not to mention the fact that Microsoft was doing the same force install BS people now complain about with Windows 11.
They don't want to sell the OS because that's a one time thing. They want a continuous stream of income from each installation.
who mentioned selling it?
On the topic of updating, that was something I was positively surprised by on linux:
What do you mean I do not need to make a reboot after updating? xD
So many versions of windows have been Microsoft taking the pulse of their customer base rather than them giving us something inline with our expectations. Sometimes it worked. Windows 95 for example. Big gamble in a UI change, but it paid off. Millennium Edition didn't pay off. XP did. Vista could of worked if it was like 7 out of the gate but the user controls were a non starter. After 7 we are firmly in the Steven Sinofsky era. 8.1 was Microsoft telling us what we _should_ like and were wrong not to. 10 was them begrudgingly giving us (Steve liked those tiles) what they already knew we wanted... and that always made it feel dirty (and the wrong kind of dirty at that). 11 is them messing with us again to see if we'll take it. 12 would normally be a case of them correcting course back to what they already know we actually want. But under Sinofsky, I just don't think they will. I think this time they'll double down. My theater PC is the last Windows 10 holdout in my house until I swap out some hardware in a month or two. After that, I'm done with Microsoft and their frankly creepy behavior.
All the windows 10 people move over to linux
I never bought in to the “updates” scam: So no problems. Now moving to Linux.
Windows sucks Linux is better (I definitely watched the whole video and know what it is about)
they'd do a required system update that upgrades to 11 automatically lol
60% will swoop to 5-10% in a day or week
Remember when XP or 7 ere EOL? How many people switched then? I wouldn't expect much different now. It's basically XP - Vista situation. Windows 11 does not offer anything I want but a lot that I do not want such as start menu in the middle, useless right click menu in explorer, more bloatware and so on - I have to put effort into making it usable while Win 10 already is usable. So I don't plan to switch before some of the apps that I use daily stops working. If all my apps continue to work 10 years, then I will continue to use Win 10 10 years. Or maybe if in that 10 years EU makes regulation that tells them to debloat their windows then I might consider switching of course but I don't see that happening.
Honestly, the hate on Win8/8.1 has always been very overblown. I used it from the beginning, I just installed classic shell(now Open Shell) and bam, same old windows style from 7 and early of using it. Used Windows 8.1 until the Win10 beta rolled out. The interface was always a non-issue, but it was the only thing everyone always complained about.
I was also one of those who refused to upgrade Ubuntu when unity/gnome3 came out. Tried them for a little bit but decided it wasn't for me. Why? I only had a 4:3 monitor(HP 1502) and the interface wasted a lot of screen space on those types of monitors. Moved from Ubuntu proper to Ubuntu Mate. I'm a "use it until it breaks" person when it comes to hardware. only got a new monitor because I was building a new PC, and my brother needed a monitor for the system I put together for him.
I thought Microsoft extended the EOL date.
I hate windows 11 personally, haven’t had a good experience with it. So I switched back to 10.
14:08 actually, Mint now has a better reminder system, hopefully that helps.
Its best to always upgrade to the next version, like that people don't fall behind.
Microsoft could also just quit making shit software, that would encourage people to upgrade.
Autosesk, specifically Fusion 360, will drop Win10 support at EOL.
"Tired of new Windows versions? Upgrade to Linux Mint instead!"
You really gained a few pounds 😅
I'm one of the few that didn't hate Windows 8
Can't lie tho it was a terrible idea for a desktop environment
I got rolled over to 11 by Windows update multiple times lol, that's one of the reason I moved to Linux. It wasn't automatic but dark pattern update prompts is just as bad.
the thing with windows 11 is a lot of developers outright dont wnat to use it or make stuff for it or with it like atall, I havent heard any developer whos willingly moving to 11
besides that no normal person is willingly using 11 unless its pre-insaled, got added by an update they didnt agree too, or are using some othe program to strip 11 or 95% of what comes with it because you only need or want that 5% as the rest is either addware or spyware and/or ai slop -.-
Don't think Microsoft really cares, they don't make a dime on "regular people" who want to stay on old Windows, they've let other popular such as XP and 7 just die.
If they want to make money, bring back XP and 7 with updates and upgrades.
@@HOBBS-4 Microsoft would probably be OK with just killing Windows and selling office subscriptions on Linux instead. It has twice the revenue, and it cost like nothing to maintain.
Outside of enterprise, Windows is arguably not even profitable. But as you know, the big home user mass is part of the marketing.
If I were working on the windows migration, id update win11 to not be able to downgrade back to Win10. Then for win10, sneak in a script that secretly checks compatibility for win11 and if everything is greenlit, sneak in Win11 as a October update as the last feature update. If the check fails, just do nothing.
Whats it to you what people like STFU!!!
I would like to know how safe a Windows 10 computer (excluding 3rd party software) is connected to the internet if you use Safing Portmaster and block everything (lan/internet/etc..) by default.
its like me complaining about the new kernels not working with Nvidia 340 drivers for old ass laptop
Windows 11 features are unusuable for my workflow even if I was going to deal with just how bad a spyware win11 is over win10...
I went DOS -> 3.1 because it was better. I went 3.1 -> 95 then 98 because they were better. I went to win2k because it was *much* better. Every time I've moved to a new windows OS (XP, 7, 10) since, it's been because I've been forced to for compatibility reasons even though my old OS was serving me fine. I won't be moving to 11 unless my arm gets twisted *very* hard. My PC already dual-boots Linux.
Im sure if you want you could get the extended support for bugger all, XP was getting updates for years.
XP went out in 2014 3 moths later my PC had three trojans.
The only reason I use windows at this point is for the old ROM kitchens for Windows Mobile. Pretty sure linux won't be supporting xp era executables and drivers.
> XP era executables
*clears throat* WINE. Heck, WINE supports 3.1-era executables even.
Though I'll give you the point about drivers, because... yeah, obviously that ain't gonna happen 'cos kernel-level shenanigans would be required.
XP -> 7 -> 10 and to continue tradition I target 12 as next windows :>
Funny (and sad) to think that Windows 8.1 very nearly shattered that trend and the only reason it didn't was because Windows 10 literally stole its chance at redemption (the Start Menu, windowed Metro apps, etc. were meant to be Windows 8.1's 2nd update, before Windows 10 came in and absorbed the update into itself).
We were THAT close to not only having a redeemed Windows 8 but also a modern decent Windows without the ads and slowness Windows 10 is infamous for.
14::54 Is this Tech Over Bottled Up Water?
Lets make 2025 the year of the Penguin 🐧
I used 8 but I used the little hacks to make it like 7
windows 10 dies on my birthday
this is almost like a birthday present since I'll be able to buy cheap laptops for pennies on the dollar soon :p
I think that windows folk will install win 10 ltsc and call it a day
Does this mean since they not gonna count windows 10 the market share will go down if people refuse to upgrade to windows 11 lmao
I'm thinking that linux distros having an auto update system that will apply at shutdown would be cool. or all distros for the laymen switch to atomic
what i find even more wild was windows 11 will only have a 2 feature updates eol so even if you are on windows 11 you can have eol unlike 10 XD
i did the best update linux
wait wut just checked the steam hardware survey it thinks i got a rtx 3060 i got a amd 780m lol how many gpu's are miscalculated?
just people that use windows 10 and older have a problem upgrade to windows 11 problem solved
How did you come from Windows has a problem to needing to restart Linux? 😂
Sound advice though. And please, don't get the diabetes. I like your videos.
highschool had windows 8.0 nice , my highschool had windows nt 4 :D, wich was actually not bad at all :D
I liked 8, i had a phone and it on my desk top. was nice to have stuff in the same place. I can get why people like apple stuff.
Most those linux users are steam deckas and a larger chuck of the eindows 11 pcs are handheld like ally x and legion go that cant really have windows 10
About to?
Those of us still using Win 10 can keep right on using Win 10 after October, and the sky will not fall. What will happen is that without any further updates, Win 10 will gradually become more vulnerable to hackers over a period of months or years. We should all have our computer behind a router with a firewall and current antivirus software, and all our device firmware up to date. There's no hurry to buy a new system just because of Win 10 EOL. Buy a new system when your old system is no longer getting the job done.
I will say something....I actually like 8.1 bc it was really good, I did get to windows 10 when it went eol and yeah (had old pc back then. gt 420 amd something something dual core and 1tb hdd) XD
its really a non issue. if you meatride Microsoft you'll stay there. if you wanna use good software you'll come to Linux
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