The Truth About Electric Car Ownership in 2024
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I prefer the hybrid over the EV. Thank you again for your content, you the man!
Same, not sold on EV yet. Hybrid is still the safest option until EV infrastructure becomes widespread.
We live in southern Colorado and regularly drive to various places in Texas. No charging options in southern Colorado through northeastern New Mexico and through Texas panhandle except in Amarillo. And so we need 400 mile range…we also regularly keep our gas models 10 years and don’t want that battery replacement cost or getting new cars every 4 years. The infrastructure in California is not replicated outside the cities in the rest of the country. It is gonna be a long time before the infrastructure is there.
I sold my Model 3 after two years. I found that while on the interstate I was burning at a rate of 1.8 instead of 1:1 on the range. The cost at the Tesla chargers isn't cheap either. My calculations at the time were that I was operating at the same cost as a 38mpg vehicle except I wasn't getting the range as a 38mpg vehicle. I would have to stop numerous times between Phoenix and San Diego. Gila Bend, Tacna, Yuma, and El Centro. I'd be on electric vapor after coming over the mountain down into San Diego. I would have to find a hotel with a charger immediately.
I traded in my ‘22 RAV4 Hybrid after 8 months due to the fact that it did not live up to the claimed 38-40 mpg as soon as the weather got cold (31mpg). The press generally does not mention this fact in their reviews.
Ev is worse its all battery
Just bought a pair of 2023 Chevy Bolts for Uber work. Free $7500 down payments, I want 2 please. I intend to swap them out like battery packs. 1 always on the (slow) charger.
Was renting a Bolt on the Avis Uber rental program. Drove 34,000 miles in 5 months.
The vehicle held up great to daily hard hammering. Extremely nimble in parking lots, and customers really liked the easy entry/exit and how roomy the back seat area is.
Excellent vehicle for rideshare work.
I stay away from Teslas in general. Aside from the gimmicky acceleration, the ride is harsh, feel like go carts and the whole line up is plagued with quality issues. Waiting for the Mazda CX-70 PHEV to come out next year.
PHEV is literally the worst vehicle option
Well, it’s stupid to buy any other EVs but Tesla EVs. I agree the ride in M3 and MY isn’t great but isn’t bad either. The cost is comparable to ICE vehicles.
@@deplorablechump8758 That"s Musk bro speak. The interiors, handling, performance and long term quality of EV's are better made by KIA, Hyundai and Toyota. STUPID as you say is just believing anything that Tesla says without doing the research. There is plenty of research out there that back up my findings and I'm not a fanboy of any brand. I just like nice things that don't have problems. The only thing i give props to Tesla on are the efficiency of their electric motors, but building a car is not something they are good at yet.
@@saulvillicana292 Hahahaha… That explains why those car companies are doing very well with their EV sales.
You need to stay away from the new BMWs and Hondas. Maybe buy a nice Toyota or Jeep with thick tires
Thanks for the info!
Nobody wants their 90 grand glorified golf carts.
Lmao
Wrong
Wait till you drive a tesla 0-60 3.5 seconds in a model y and only cost 42k worth every single penny
@@walterwhite1🤡
I guess that’s why EV sales in the US went up more than 50% in 2023. Stop spewing FUD and come up with some hard facts.
I have a Model S with 190k, I several friends with various EV's and the only one with a complaint was his Ioniq 5 failed after 3 days. The dealer couldnt fix it after more than a month.
ICCU
Strange, its as if electric car owners haven't yet realized that 90% of their fuel comes from... coal.
Strange, you aren't looking at real data.
California ISO
Current Supply Feb 16, 2024 2:40PM: 22,840 MW
Renewables 56.9% (13,262 MW) includes: Solar, Wind, Geothermal, Biomass, Biogas, Small Hydro.
Natural Gas: 27.2% (6,328 MW)
Large Hydroelectric: 5.5% (1,290 MW)
Imported Hydro: 0.7% (166 MW
Batteries: 0% (current charging: 2.093 MW)
Nuclear: 9.7% (2,261 MW)
Coal: 0%
Other: 0%
For the record, there is exactly ONE coal fired power plant remaining in the State of California: the Argus Cogeneration Plan in San Bernardino County (Trona, CA).
LOL
Thanks for this; it's most useful to prospective BEV purchasers like me.
Don't be LAME don't buy it
Interesting...you find it odd that opening the wings puts torque stress on the roof line/windshield... What am i missing here?
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Good video. I'm leaning towards a plug in hybrid for my next car. My three choices are the Kia Niro, Subaru Crosstrek or Toyota RAV4. I'm impressed by the Fisker Ocean too but don't think I want to spend that much. 😊
Imo get the Rav4 bc I like toyota
You must try the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Love it...and the Warranty is a dealbreaker
Hybrids? Yes. EVs? No Way!
Plug-in all the way. I'd love to get one, but I'm a car guy, so spend irrational amounts of time and money on fun parts that go whoosh-bang. But if I had to buy with head and not heart, plug-in hybrid, easy. It'll be relevant for 20 years (if the battery lasts, I guess).
@@fuzooliwhat do you mean by "dealbreaker" in this context? Do you mean a good deal, because everything else you said was positive.
There is a reason BEV was dropped 120 years ago. Same reasons as today. Short range. Limited charging places. Overpriced. People can't fix them.
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My Mach E is the most reliable car I have ever ever driven. Yea../I know it's strange. It's so reliable I forgot to rotate the tires because it never needs to go in for anything.
Most new cars don't.
@@lot2196😂😂
This is not even a factor for reliability. You’ll get issues if not already
I want a hybrid with an inline 6. I want it to be predominantly ice on the RWD, and BEV on the FWD. This is how i built my ebike and its a dream combination.
I coast using electricity and save my own energy but on tuff hills or fast acceleration I use both battery and human power (which saves energy for both me and the battery, without sacrificing performance).
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The Kona is fwd only, not awd only.
Whats your take on plugin hybrids?
IMO the ROI sucks unless they can drive at least 30 miles all electric, and if the owner uses it as all electric 90% of the time. Otherwise better off with a high MPG ICE vehicle.
Personally I’ve seen more buyers’ remorse from PHEV than BEV. People usually buy PHEV because they want to drive electric but are disappointed when they only get, at best, 40 miles of electric.
@@rvdown11 I looked at the PHEV RAV4 in 2022…not only $10,000 more but only 30 miles per charge. We live 45 miles from the town where we go to get groceries. At this point, the EV’s are for city dwellers and for those of us rural folks, hybrids are apparently the way to go…at least for now.
@@rvdown11 That's not a vehicle problem, but a buyer not doing his homework. I got a used 2015 VOLT in 2020 and very happy with it. 45 miles during optimal conditions. 90% of trips on EV and gas when I take a longer trip. Works great. Everyone's needs are different.
2019-20 BOLT? Isnt he aware that the fire risk has been resolved by LG? The BOLT has been a solid car since it came out. Sure, a few might have some problem, but isnt that for any maker?
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I love Chevy Bolt since 2017. Iono what's everyone's problem
If you are driving down the highway in an EV and you see a large puddle or flooded streets ahead, what would you do & what would happen?
The same thing if I were driving a gas or hybrid. You?
I would love to have an EV but i am a traveling salesman in the Midwest. Range takes a hit in cold weather. Just have to wait till range get 500 miles plus
As Tom Mologney ( State of charge channel) mentioned. We DONT NEED more than 250-300 miles. We NEED PROPER CHARGERS. 250-300 is plenty as you need to stop for a piss and stretch out. If chargers were more reliable, whatever we have now in populated areas would work perfectly.
Smart... I've heard Realtor say similar things.
That would help too. Good point.
Technology is not there yet on any EV cost of repairs being a major factor . These battery cost well over 15 k to fully replace and they don't last long . And water hazards seem to light these ev up . In 10 years i may look at one but for now i wouldn't waste my money on this crap .
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@@everymandriver Cheers buddy .
Thank you, great info!
It’s the insurance cost makes EV ownership a joke,,,,, for vehicles with sooooo much less mechanical parts to go wrong and have such dismal reliability ratings is an absolute joke .. I’d never own one unless they were in the 85-90 percent reliable on any model from any car maker
Good points.
I would never want a pure EV. I have a plug in hybrid and it's nice having the availability of a ICE and not on Electric alone. Also, the public chargers are either full or not working, so i never charge at a public charger anymore. I charge at home and when on the road, I'll 'charge' at Shell or Chevron.
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Things to love about EVs:
1. Child battery labor
2. Range anxiety
3. Risk of garage fires
4. Paying 20k more than a comparable vehicle
5. Battery denegration
6. Poor resale value
7. Reduced performance in cold, highway
8. Higher repair costs
9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather without restrooms
But hey theres a tax credit!
Thoughtful list.... I am waiting for when these charging stations become targets for muggings and other guestionable activities.
Higher insurance, there is that bonus! Tires wear out much faster and are special. You can't just throw some junkyard tires on it as a shortcut.
I would add to that the lack of a nice engine sound 😂. Any person that loves cars loves the sound of a straight 6, V8, V12 etc
I bought a Tesla model 3 four years ago. I won’t buy another EV.
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It's just expensive.... battery replacement is the biggest risk... charging also keeps going expensive outside home.... I don't trust yet
$50K for a battery every 5-7 years! No thanks.
Battery prices vary greatly VW is 13k, Tesla is 9k and Hyundai is 60k.
@@kaijen2688 No, Tesla is not 9K. Show your sources. I have links to many articles & forum posts describing 12-18K for a Model 3, 16K++ for Model Y and 20K++ for Model X.
@@kaijen2688 Tesla battery is $22K
EV's are good for taking neighborhood trips, that's all.
Better update your information!
False.
I agree anyone that drives one of these long distances will complain of rocks chipping the paint. I'm also curious how they perform in cold weather & icy roads.
Not sure how I feel about Hyundai
Uhm, the Hyundai Kona EV is only available as a FWD vehicle, not AWD.
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4 1/2 years with my 2019 Chevy Bolt. Now have just over 68,000 miles. Still running like it did new. Best car I’ve ever owned.
I didn't hear you mention on your video that you are having any issues personally with your 2023 Model X. So I don't see that you should be concerned with reports on the 2017. Enjoy your car. It's nice. Great color combination. I would get a Tesla but probably will get a hybrid this year and a Tesla Model Y as my next car a 5 or 6 years from now. Hopefully Tesla will tweak up the range by then.
If Mazda can do 300 miles that be great!
As soon as Highland performance comes out in Phoenix I'm ordering it!! Super excited🎉🎉. Stealth Grey dark interior. My first EV. 😎👍🏻
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Try finding a mechanic who can work on one of these. Good luck. You also might faint when you see what's going to happen to insurance for EVs since even a minor accident can total one of these.
We can already see whats happening to insurance in the UK. It has doubled because of this.
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No EV for me. Especially when I keep car for over 15 years.
Why? A battery pack will far outlast the car and then find a second life in energy storage solutions, until they finally get recycled in 25 years. And and EV is much more likely to get updates over its life than any ICE car has.
@@davidmccarthy6061 I don't know any battery that will last that long. Most now are only good for 10 years at best and maybe only 50 percent of your battery capacity usable at that time. And a battery replacement will cost twice as much as the car is worth. Oh and insurance rates are higher for EV and those of us in cold climate loss tons of range that is already not accurate.
@@chemjam92 What nonsense a 60kwh Tesla LFP battery made in 2023 is good for between 800k and 1million miles on average- It costs $10k to replace.
@@davidmccarthy6061 Most batteries are near death after 7 years and the cost is $50K
@@TB-up4xi How is it nonsense? Running batteries in -20 C 3-4 months of every year weighs heavy on battery lifecycle. In Canada most Model S have only 50-60% of original range left after 8 years, i.e. 2012-13-14-15 models. Your claim is complete BS without a source.
33/100 for mustang 😭😭
Not in the market, I need a vehicle with more flexible range regardless of chargers enroutê and at destination. I’ll let this and other technologies become safe options before I consider trading off my very reliable older car.
You did not mention the exponential growth of EV adoption in even the slowest market (US) of 50% in 2023. You also did not mention that hybrid car will emit 51.6 pounds (23.1 kilograms) of carbon dioxide every 100 miles (161 kilometers), while a conventional ICE car will emit 74.9 pounds (34 kilograms). EVs were less than.5% of their total car sales last year, and their car sales are going down every year since 2017. Facts you failed to mention.
Most people don't give a flying turd about tailpipe emissions. Yes, some do. It sounds like that is your thing but most people are bottom line people, especially today. BEV is for virtue signallers but is impractical for most people except as a purely urban transport method. Useless on the road. Range anxiety is a real thing. Gas stations are everywhere. 100 years ago gas range anxiety was real. Maybe in 20 years fast cheap charging will be everywhere but not under current politics. Most people want a reliable affordable car. EV is neither. Watching your range plunge on a -10 degree day is truly fear inspiring.
lol I wasn’t making a documentary.
@@everymandriver No, you were just cherry picking some of the worst EVs, which are still cleaner than any ICE vehicle. And there is no way a Tesla could ever make that list.
Hybrid or full gas is the future
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I can't believe people as still buying ev's at all.
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2013 chevy volt ... bought at 2016 with 74k miles for 11000 dollars.... now it has 194k miles....... love it...
New cars are way too expensive .....
Everyman driver drives a Tesla model x, so much for “Everyman “. 😂
I’ve been at this for 13 years.
Hybrids are fine; however, if I want to flush money away I would never even consider an EV!
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Not an EV fan. Waiting for the true future of water power.
Be patient.
It’s a fad there’s no long term plan to build more charging stations and there’s no plan for the power consumption that these cars require
False.
@@MikesCarInfo Without a source opposite his comment, your "False" remains incorrect.
@@jacquesc3166 My assertion is as valid as his assertion.
wow I thought you were a smart guy I would never put my family in one of those things
Just because someone doesn't agree with your choice of car, doesn't make them dumb.
Ted, It's important for us to consider our own understanding of a topic before evaluating others' intelligence.
Can't afford an EV but even if I could, I'd just feel guilty from overloading the grid with a heavy, electricity guzzling pig of an electric car.
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Why isn't anyone talking about the usa selling coal to over 70 countries.
You just did.
Why didn't you know better before you signed the check?
I’m not sure 🤔
We need a new power grid and many small modular nuclear reactors to provide the type of electricity needed for EVs. BTW, we're not replacing a battery each 100K for the prices the Chinese are asking.
There isn't a grid problem as the utilities have said for years. The US grid has grown 5x since the 70's and will easily keep up, although it would be nice if they accelerated energy storage for wind and solar. But the energy market is also set up for non-stored power so that will need to change too. It isn't like we will be replacing all 200 million vehicles overnight.
My Electric Company puts out a magazine each month so you can read up on the state of the business. This months magazine was 2023 in review, they had to take "another" 4 percent of power generation offline with no replacement warning of not being able to keep the lights on through cold blasts of Winter Storms. Makes zero sense to cut supply and raise demand at the same time.
Makes perfect sense in the whole WEF plan
Look around and if you can find one buy a crown Victoria or equal with around 80/100 thousand miles, these cars of that type can run for over 200,000 miles and most mechanics can fix them, the same applies to most of the well made Buick's, and many others keep on using a gas powered car or truck , because the EV crazies in CA will bring you down to their stupid world and cause you to see your wallet empty quickly, just look at CA companies and people are leaving, in droves and higher and higher taxes, so wait until all the hazards with EV types have been sorted and then take a look in say 15 years.
I don't think EV technology is mature enough yet. I want to see an extensive charging network, greatly reduced charging times, greater range (that doesn't decline in very cold weather), and prices no higher than an equivalent internal combustion vehicle.
The EV technology and safety issues will eventually be overcome but who knows when that will be. And by that time it's possible that alternative Fuels, hybrid, and other tech advances may make EV's obsolete.
Honestly, mon ami, ALL EV's are but a fanciful dream...a Wet Dream. [Which, for a married man, appears odd.]
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P.T BARNUM was right.
Yep
Very happy with my E.V. and don't plan to go back to gas in my lifetime. Plus watching Mustangs and Chargers shrink in my rear view mirror never gets old.
Racing on public streets is not very bright, good way to end someone's life or end up losing your license.
Until you stop to charge and they pull in behind you and leave 45 min earlier.
Did you get a tax credit on your EV?
@@simonbagel No simon I did not. At the time I made my puchase there were no tax credits available.
@mikemcintosh9933 Why did you buy an EV instead of a hybrid? I'm considering a hybrid but no tax credit on hybrids.
Not a single issue on Tesla Model Y after 3 years and 31000 miles. $0 in maintenance cost, besides tires.
Isn't tires maintenance ?
@@snap4720Obviously. So are windshield wiper blades, washer fluid. EVs don't need the oil change, spark plugs, transmission service, radiator flush, plus a hundred other things that can break like catalytic converter, fuel injectors, turbos, etc. etc. etc.
just a $50K battery every 5-7 years and no resale value but yea you saved a on spark plugs.@@leebr2010
@leebr2010 so how is it $0, then?
@@snap4720 Look up the definition of "besides".
No way I'll ever buy an EV. They are not anywhere near good enough.
What is your experience with EVs? How long have you spent time behind the wheel to come to that conclusion?
@everymandriver didn't take long to realize that the only good part was the acceleration. However, who cares if it goes 0-60 in 4 secs or 6 secs it's all irrelevant. The one I drove was a Tesla Model Y. The vehicle was so flawed that there was no way I'd part with my money on one.
Couldn't pay me to take an EV
Are you sure?
EV’s are NOT the same as a Tesla.
Tesla is failing at an alarming rate also
Um, Tesla IS an EV.
Ev are for high income people
These idiots buy a 100k Cybertruck and S Plaid and talk about saving gas money 😂😂😂😂😂
What idiots?
No, no electric car!!
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I'll pass
How's your 100,000 ft view of the EV picture? Do you believe lithium mining is sustainable? Do you believe the RoI on lithium mining, along with its long term resourcing worldwide, will come close to oil/ICE? Have you seen evidence that worldwide oil supply is trending to alarming levels? Are you knowledgeable enough to talk about gas turbine engines (GTE) and the aviation industry, relative to climate change i.e. impact vs. ICE cars worldwide? What about the trucking / long haul industry? ........all current and foreseeable EV owners are financing a much larger transition, whilst losing massively on the long term. This ain't horse --> car 2.0, it's more so fuel injection in the 50's not being for primetime 2.0. EVs will come back after this scam runs through, and after much larger systems are converted. Enjoy the ~exclusivity.
I'd never buy any EV. These things are scams.
electric scam
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EVs are LAME !
Because….
I will never buy an EV.
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@@everymandriver Great! But two or three while you’re at it. It will help Elon out. Maybe he will get his $55B bonus after all.
All EV's are pure trash
BEVs blows. Hard pass.
Why in world would a person invest in stupid technology. As humans we look for the easiest, carefree, way to not upset our already complicated lives. Buying this infant technology is just asking for trouble. You guys have been sold a crock of $hit. Go with proven easy ways to get through life.