Hugh Ross & Eric Hovind Debate Length of Days in Genesis 1
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I can't help but notice that it's Eric Hovind and Ken Ham, etc who come across as condescending and dismissive. Dr Ross sat there humbly through all of that and, like Jesus, didn't say nary a word.
None of that matters only the word of God matters, and there is a six day creation. No getting around it no matter how hard you try. Evolutionism is a religion debunked easily by science.
@@RB-sz9gv I don't believe in evolution and neither does Dr Ross. We believe in miraculous, sudden creation and the Cambrian Explosion (CE) bears that out. But the CE happened over 500 million years ago, not 6,000.
@@RB-sz9gvactions matter more if you ask me. And except it isn't easily debunked....
@@RB-sz9gvthere is no logical reason that God didn't design evolution into the creation of the universe.
The world and everything God created is far more wonderous than either camp can see
Agreed. I did not appreciate his tone at all.
Lord bless Dr. Ross and his family..
I just found Mr. Ross I can’t believe RUclips has hidden this man from me for so long. He has phew… saved my faith is an understatement. My comment however was I thought the other 2 men were atheists for a minute and I just looked at their faces and it dawned on me they were Christians. Just from their demeanor. It amazes me this beams through almost every person. You can just tell. It’s beautiful.
Yep, all Christians. We’ve done several videos with Dr. Ross at this point. Check them out!
Last I checked the articles of the international counsel of biblical hermeneutics wasn't scripture either.
Notice Erics reasoning .if it doesn’t make sense to him then it can’t be true.If science disagrees with my interpretation it can’t be true
We can't use the Book of Nature because it's cursed?? The Bible tells us to use it in Psalm 19. Look at Psalm 65, does that sound like God cursed all of nature as Eric says?? It says "...cursed is the ground FOR YOUR SAKE, in sorrow (toil) shall you eat of it all the days of your life." Genesis 3:17. In other words, you now have to toil and sweat to cultivate the soil to make the crops grow. "The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof." Psalm 24:1. God don't curse what's His own.
Amen!
Galatians 1:8-9 KJV "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." If you decide, or anyone decides, to use any other book, including this Book of Nature, as gospel, then I use the Bible itself to say you, or anyone using it, is accursed. This is not my words, but the Word of the Lord.
The ground didn’t change Adam did , now the ground is cursed at the hands of sinful people.
One of the most common and serious misunderstandings of Scripture is the belief that the Bible teaches that the fall of Adam so corrupted the natural realm that science no longer can be trusted to yield reliable information about the past condition of the universe, Earth, or Earth's life. This belief is based on a misinterpretation of Genesis 3:17: “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life." The ground here clearly refers to the soil that humans would work to get their food. To interpret "ground" as referring to the entirety of the universe or Earth is going far beyond the intent of the text. Also this passage does not state that the ground was cursed because God changed the physics or the chemistry of the ground. It puts the blame on human sin. Because of human sin the ground would be so abused that it would not produce food to the degree it would if it were not for human sin. This interpretation makes Genesis 3:17 consistent with Psalm 19:1-4, Psalm 97:6, and Romans 1:18-22, that God has given us two utterly trustworthy and reliable books: the book of Scripture and the book of nature. Both books are inerrant. Therefore, any conflict between science and theology is one of human misinterpretation and not because anything in either book is corrupted. As for Romans 9:18-22, Paul is explaining that God designed the entire universe and everything in it from the very moment of creation with the redemption of a countless number of humans in mind. Thus, from the cosmic creation moment God subjected the universe to an unchanging, pervasive law of decay (John 16:33, Jeremiah 33:25).
I love Dr. Hugh Ross. Thank you for having him as a guest. God's Word is perfect. Man's interpretations and translations are not.
Same. 👍
Exactly. Then why does Hugh Ross twist God's Word to say what it doesn't say? Hugh Ross believes God used big bang evolution and millions of years to create the world. God says he made it in 6 solar days. Scripture interprets Scripture.
@@rajsahota5524young earthers do the same thing twist scriptures and try and jam it in their tiny YE box interpolation.
@@rajsahota5524 You had to add "solar" to make yourself clear. God did not and therefore is not as clear as you think. When you add "solar" you are interpreting.
@@pete8299 When you use the word "twisting" you are being unkind. Jesus called Peter Satan. You probably do not believe Peter is Satan, but you are doing what you accuse Hugh of doing. You probably do it quite a lot. Jesus said the stars would fall to the earth. Do you believe everything in Revelation is literal? Or do you "twist" aswell?
Romans 1:20 For from the creation of the world the invisible things of Him are clearly seen, being understood through the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.
Young Christian here. Imperfect as they come. Why does the Hovind fella come across so Pharisee- like?
Watch the debate with Eric’s father Kent Hovind and Dr Ross on the John Ankerberg show . This debate was a good 20 years or more ago. I was just a new Christian then also. I never saw such a display of rudeness in a Christian. At this point I began an OEC .
Eric kept on saying "nature is fallen" therefore it cannot be trusted whereby implying that nature can lie.
What an idiotic statement! Yet whenever people like him debate an atheist I bet that they will also get some of their evidence from nature.
It is our interpretation of nature as well as Scriptures that might be wrong sometimes but never the Book of Nature and the Book of Scriptures.
Dr. Hugh Ross in the house 🙂
Where’s the continuation to this video. This is just an introduction to the two points of view. I went to your channel, and did not see any subsequent videos on this.
This is the full interview
ruclips.net/video/rkpN_C-mRek/видео.html
@@Bibledingers Thanks!
the evening and the morning where the first day, how can that be interpreted as a long period of time? how is evening and morning being interpreted ?
My question, too
The phrase evening and morning in Hebrew means something that was started was completed . Each day is marked by an evening and morning, and there is no evening and morning for the seventh day . We are still in the seventh day .
@@Terrylb285 The evening and morning were the first day, we are told what happened, and that it happened in a day. The six days of creation and resting on the 7th day is an example we are to follow, work six days and rest on the 7th. God still being in the 7th day does not make any sense when you consider the example God was giving us.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
@@djsarg7451 I do enter into the 7th day once a week after working 6 days, as God did in creating and I rest on the 7th day as God did when finished creating. Do you think God does not want us to work now? Or is this referring to working for salvation? The bible teaches we need to repent from our sins and obey God's commands as we are not saved through our works but by the grace of God for past sins and repenting obeying God's commands when we make God the Lord of our life. The bible was clear in the 24 hour day by stating evening and morning, there is no way around that.
Scripture support Scripture as our reality reflects Scripture. The book of Genesis chapter one are literally 24-hour Days. And chapter 2 is the highlights of creation pertaining too Gen. 1. Or to say, the unspoken details of chapter One. Saying the days of creation are not 24 hour periods, is not Spirit Led. It's a carnal perspective.
God is not a lier. He gave the physical recipe for creation in chapters 1&2.
Thanks for your comment. How do you explain Genesis 2:5-7? It seems to imply that God made man (day 6) before he made the plants (day 3)...?
hey Eric buddy, did you know that Hipparchus didnt work out the 24 hour day? It wasn't even put into practice untill about 147 to 127 BC! So isn't Genesis, the creation before that??????????
So you are aware that Genesis was written by Moses and that he would have understood a day ending at sunset? We know this because the Jews actually get the 7 day week, the sabbath being a day of rest and the new day beginning after sunset from the creation story. If later on someone breaks it into hours or says the one rotation of the earth on it axis, it’s still the same time span.
A question for Eric. The Septuagint which Paul and other New Testament writers quoted teaches that the world was not created in 4004 BC but based on the genealogies that the earth was created in 5500 BC making the earth now 7,500 years old not 6,000 years old.
People really don't know how old the earth is for Adam wasn't born, he was created as a grown man of age, that lived a long life
No not true. Adam would have prefect teeth, no sun spots or sun tan.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
Thank you for the work you have put into making this video and this channel in general. Have you come across the Elephant Room videos that also have good content? Personally, I am attempting to open my mind (more than I have previously) to the possibility of a young earth. Hovind made some strong points at the beginning about context and the probable meaning of the word "yom" in Genesis 1. However, I still have some questions, for example why do Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 seem to display some contradictions if the text is purely literal/historical? Ultimately, I believe Jesus is the Truth, and none of us sees with perfect clarity. Jeremiah 23:20, Jeremiah 30:24, 1 Corinthians 13:12. I think this debate is one of the better opportunities Christians have to practice humility, intellectual wrestling and move toward the oneness that Jesus prayed for his church.
I grew up with the Fundamentalist teaching of the Schofield reference Bible and the teaching of Fundamentalists like Bernard Ramm who taught the Gap Theory of creation that Genesis 1:1 describes a pre Adamic world. Genesis 1:2 was translated and the world became void and without form…. And the re-creation that took place in 6 literal days. That meant that the earth created in 1:1 could be millions of years old but the recreation in verses 2 and following is only 6,000 years old and was created in 6 literal days. The Fundamentals said that dinosaurs and all the geological formations that scientists say are millions of years old were part of the predates world God destroyed when Satan got proud and rebelled.
These men including Darby the founder of dispensationalism all strongly defended the inerrancy and infallibility of Gods word but taught that the earth was older than just 6000 years.
They were as arrogant about creation as Eric yet didn’t believe in a young earth.
Eric is using a personal argument against Hugh ... accusing him of preconceived bias.
No chance there's millions and billions of years ago. ✝️
This was an incredible debate between Eric Hovind and John Malkovich.
U r trippin
@@Bibledingers Lol I couldn't help myself 🤣
Eric talks about a bias …but happens to have the exact same view as his dad lol . Also he reads so much into scripture. All the times he mentions word “Yom” is in the Bible? Someone would have to strictly calculate that out to determine the assumption 24hrs…Some one like my grandmother with very strong faith doesn’t understand a lot of deeper theological takes and would never be able to “clearly” see young earth. You may have a view Eric, it might even be a decent one, but to act like it’s “exact” “absolute” ….”clear in scripture” is highly skeptical. Eric and his dad can never be wrong in any debate I’ve witnessed they also cast judgement on others and poke at the strength of peoples faith. Eric did with IP badly. “Your righteousness is to exceed the Pharisees” , you can have views and be humble and think provisionally. I think it’s safe to say its okay not to fully understand how God did everything, and we don’t have to cram contemporary science into every passage.
Dr. Ross is right!
I don't understand how believers that limit the age of the earth as starting at the time when Adam and Eve were created, can reconcile the fact that 1) clearly angels were created before man's creation (Job 38:7), as angels are seen rejoicing when God was laying it's foundations-- and 2) that Satan, before his fall, is seen in Ezekiel 28:13-19 inhabiting a "mineral type earth" particularly in Eden past.
The topography of this ancient "earth" and "Edenic garden" - is different than ours -- for Satan dwells amongst the most beautiful of gemstones --the same gems that we know are mined from underneath our vegetative earth Gen. 1.
Clearly there were inhabitants existing at one time on the same earth core ---
but before God judged Satan and ex-nihilo, "re-created" the Earth's topography for man.
It fits with the fact that in Gen. 1 the curtain opens on a dark, seemingly prior-judged earth that God then re-creates into the world we now inhabit.
It matches the fact that the Garden of Eden"s Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was already there before man, warning him later not to follow Satan's ways and take God's leadership lightly.
I don't like how Dr. Ross would talk and then Eric would talk and it's the end of the video. There should be more content to this discussion. Am I missing something here?
Yes! This is just a clip from the full debate which is on our channel.
Why did you stop without allowing Dr Ross to respond and for you to ask clarification questions
That was unhelpful
This is just a clip from the full conversation that you can see on our page.
Here is a new idea - whatever the length of the day was, there could have been millions of years between the days. There is no statement that the days immediately succeeded each other. What is the defining function of Elohim? It is judgement. We are misled in believing physical creation occurred during each day. Why do we say that NASA or the TVA were created by the federal government, when the government simply approved their creation? The same situation applies to the days of creation. Elohim approved only what was within the divine plan for the earth. Only the approved ones have legitimate spiritual status for the earth. Other organisms that were not approved could have been predecessors to those that were approved.
So, my question for Dr. Ross is how long are the days?
I guess days are as long as what sciences say.
First off The are no days without a sun. Secondly the morning and evening occur at different times depending on where you are on the earth. Thirdly if there is no universe or anything in position that relatea to earth it isn't spinning. I guess just a few more reasons that those days aren't literal 24hours.
I'm a little rusty on this stuff but I thought I heard him quote 2 Peter 3:8 regarding that a few years ago.
The sun moon and stars are not designated to serve as time markers for days seasons and years until day 4 .
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
You cut the video before there was a response from Ross.
You can view the entire video on our channel. This is just a clip.
The biggest question is, who has the final authority on what Genesis 1 says, Hugh Ross, Eric Hovind or God?
Does the Bible say how old the universe is , no it doesn’t. That’s a science debate. How long the days are in genesis is an interpretation debate.
@@Terrylb285 you're mixing categories. What type of science is that the realm of 'debate' in? Yes actually in the Old Testament we can calculate the age of the earth from creation, see James Usher's book on this. Actually Scripture interprets itself 'Sola Scripturer' was one of the Reformation doctrines. Who has the final authority on these things Terry man or God?
@@rajsahota5524 James ushers book is based on faulty data , and lack of information. But sounds like you believe James Ussher has the final authority.
James Usher in his work simply looked at the 'begats' and genealogys in the O.T and concluded with what the O.T already supported. That we live on a young earth not an old earth. Who is your final authority Terry? Ushers was God...
This is about understanding not authority, your question is in error.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
Ever since I learned about the big bang, I had fun with the idea that what happened in the moment just before the big bang was the big collapse of the previous universal existence, which is what will also happen at the end of our present universal existence. Just a cyclical series of big bangs, existences, and big collapses, and so on. Not trying to debate, it's just fun to think about.
Sorry Eric , the fact that this video ends before Ross has a chance to respond to your diatribe shows something about this channel . You show hostility , Eric , and you are wrong ! I became a Christian watching The Way at a Chuck Smith tent service at 13 years old . My parents were both PHD english teachers and reading Genesis carefully in plain english made me almost loose my faith ! Think about it , The way it is written if you take the days as 24 hour days it makes no sense !I am so glad that Ross gave me a way of looking at the Genesis 1 scriptures in perspective , Like God moving on the waters and how light could come in after the creation of the sun . I see you yelling and screaming in your rebuttal in this debate which is not really a debate because you cut Ross off after your self righteous rant in a very unpleasing tone . Think about this ; Time is nothing to God , a quadrillion quadrillion quadrillion light years times a quadrillion quadrillion more are not even a nanosecond to God ! Why get so hostile about something that does not really matter ?
Enid, this is just a clip from the entire unedited interview. You can find the full two and a half hour video on our RUclips.
Frankly, Young Earth creationists are sick-in-the-l-lead. And, it was primarily a guy who holds a doctorate in applied physics from Stanford, has an I.Q. of 142, and, has had a career for which most other scientists would give their left-arm and right-leg, who mentored me out of my ATHEISM. He's a DEVOTED, CONVINCED Christian (as is his equally impressive astrophysicist wife) who's read the 'Bible' about 18 times.
what an epitome of a believer's mindset😂 draw it's own conclusion without checking any further before judging the channel.
Good job by Mr Hovind in explaining the meaning of a “ day” not “ in the days of”
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
@@djsarg7451 that was a long argument for meaning of “ day”..here I’ll make it short and maybe not sweet,; days in creation are 24 hrs, not waiting for the insects to pollinate the plants thousands of years in between
Brilliant rebuttal
And the rest of the debate?
It’s on our channel :)
I’ve watched many debates with Dr Ross , Dr Ross says his Asperger’s syndrome has gifted him . He says sometimes he doesn’t even know he’s been insulted till hours after the debate.
I would love to speak to u Mr. Hovínd. Rev. Samuel A Wilson Sr.
I think Genesis 2:4 makes it very clear that the "Days" of creation are supposed to be read as " GENERATIONS " eras , long period of time ! PERIOD !!!! And to boot the physical evidence is there!
Great job Eric. Scripture is clear.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
Context yes!!!. So put all of genesis in the context that all the sciences real about the age of the universe.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
What I think unpleasant at this discussion is the way how Eric uses covert ad hominem attacks towards a fellow man in Christ- and I think that's very disappointing and unchristian but unfortunately very prominent with YECnists. Eric argues with statistics how many times the word 'yom" means a literal translation etc but there it already gets unfair as we don't know the examples he is using so we can't follow is line of argument. Why however use unfair argumentative methods in a Christian debate?
The ad hominem attacks how Ross arguably got his viewpoint from science and just "squeezed" it into scripture is not an honest argument either and not valid. It's just an ad hominem attack ment to discredit the person and I must say that sort of discussion technique is not crowned by love but more of obvious covert hatred.
Is it impossible that God intended the Genesis story to be more poetic and not 100% literal? Don’t even we simplify complicated issues in stories to our children? Aren’t we also children for God? Our IQ is barely 140. Gods IQ is probably infinite so you want to tell me it’s impossible God intended Genesis 1 to be more figurative and poetic, after all do Man and Woman literally become "one flesh" or was it really an "Apple" that Eve gave to Adam? I’m not saying Adam and Eve didn’t exist, the Genealogy from Adam to Abraham, Noah and Christ is clear and true but the creation story could be more of an attempt to give us stupid humans an idea of what happened instead of a 100% literal account. The Bible uses a similar approach in many places. There is the 70weeks prophecy of Daniel which is not literal 70 weeks either but a day is actually a year! Not literally 70 weeks. So how can we be sure Genesis is 100% literal? Another issue is wouldn’t it be more faithful to just trust that God will reveal all that happened one day and we just trust on that and accept we are like Children and have faith in just that. We know that God created everything through Jesus and he created the universe in steps, but why must we insist we "know" exactly what happened? Why? Is that not Christian Narcissism to be so boastful to claim you "know" what happened and exclude any other possible intention God might have?! I would be too afraid and respectful of God to claim i know exactly what happened and what he intended. I think it’s much more humble to accept we needn’t know exactly. Also see the vibes coming from these discussions. Do they elevate Christ? No. They harm the cause of spreading the Gospel and the love of Christ because we have allowed dogmatism to overshadow love. Is the topic relevant to our faith no!
This is surreal watching grown men arguing over something a child would dismiss. Genesis is a poem. You don't take poems literally.
So ahmmnn you happened to be the one that is qualified judge that the bible shouldn't be taken literally? you know you guys really cherry pick everything.. u pick one bible verse to support your argument the literal way and then those than can easily repute by non-believers will now be explained as metaphorical way. the fact that christianity is very much divided is also something to look into..
You are just a salty evolutionists
Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.
Romans 1:20
God created (formed from nothing) in the beginning (an undisclosed time before the first day). But made (transformed for service) the planets in six days. The first day is when the world wide ocean which darkened the sea floor (the face of the deep) became shallow enough over the continents as the ocean basins opened. Since the first day we had a pre existing earth and universe so we had old materials without days being of a long context.
The processes that transformed the earth from a smooth earth covered with water created a surface with basins and continents in 3 days. This generated what the naturalist attibutes to plate tectonics. So we have 3 days not hundreds of millions if years. No new interpretations of scriptures are needed to accomodate deep time.
The cults like Mormons, JWs, and Muslims claim that they are the only ones with the truth. Eric seems to have the same attitude. I just wonder if this attitude is not of God. If a person is loving, kind and thinks no evil is a good pointer to someone having the truth, or at least worth listening to.
My opinion, Eric believes his interpretation of genesis is infallible.
There is one book, the Bible. There is no inerrant book of nature.
Yeah that set red flags off right there.
Psalm 19 . Roman’s chapter 1. God speaks to us through his creation . Paul condemned the gentiles even before they heard the gospel, because they knew God but exchanged the truth for a lie.
You do not read your Bible.
Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.
Job 12:7-10 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you.
@@djsarg7451 Yes I do and I understand it. Those verses do not mean there is a second book of nature. They point to God as the creator.
I was hoping to hear a logical debate but instead all I heard was Hugh Ross explain his view and Eric Hovind just talk negatively about Ross, his faith and how he came to faith. Not cool Hovind! 😑
⁰ God called the light day God did not call the darkness the day/
6 segments of light /ⁿ⁹
God called the light day
Ross should be in jail right now
When someone replies with name-calling or insults, I know the person has not one idea about the topic at hand.
Matthew 6:14-15 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
Genesis 1 is Lucifer and the fallen angels. They made man in their image. Man is an idol, a trap for angels.
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
I “Like” Dr. Ross. He is very kind and gracious & I am sure he is very genuine as well. He has an uncommon ability to discuss & debate in a way that is also kind, generous, patient and humble. That is hard to do when in a debate or discussion such as this. So, good for him with all that - but I still he is wrong.
The way I see this issue ….
1. There is plenty of scientific evidence that appears to support old earth creation.
2. There is also plenty of scientific evidence that supports young earth creation.
3. There are credible & accredited PHD’s on both sides.
So that leaves me with just two points to consider ….
4. What does my own mind and my own experiences tell me.
5. And finally & most Importantly…. What does the Bible say about this.
After considering all of that, it would seem to me that the young earth view is the correct view.
Just a comment to try to keep you from settling with this framework. Points 1. & 2. What examples do you have of each? and how have you reconciled seemingly contradictory scientific evidence? And which one handles the others evidence better? A YT comment probably doesn't have enough space to really answer it, but just curious.
@@Logosguy-fv1bj I don’t want to get into a long debate on YT comments. Regarding examples of points # 1 & 2. They are out there. I know each side can generally offer ways to deal with them to try to answer each sides evidences. Sometimes I can’t reconcile the OE view in a particular point. As an example, the issue of naming the animals & Eve as a help mate… I must admit I find that particular point very hard to deal with as a young earther.
@@redeemedadventures fair! Lord bless!
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Romans says all men are without excuse even if they dont have a Bible because they have nature
That is not the point of what Romans is even talking about. Romans 1 and 2 are discussing the reality of the conscience. You need to go back and read it again, in its full context.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
God's day is 1000 of our years. Our day is 24 hours.
It’s not until day 4 the the sun moon stars are now designated to serve as markers for days seasons years.
Book of nature, doesn't say anything. 🤦🏻♂️
Neither does the Bible , you have to read and study the Bible , and observe and study nature. Read Psalm 19. And Romans chapter 1.
@@Terrylb285 you don't have Nature without God.
@@Terrylb285 why are you using the Bible if it doesn't say anything, whackadoodle
That is not in the Bible:
Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.
Job 12:7-10 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you.
Ross should be accountable for all the lies
What lies are you referring to and how do you want him held accountable?
Oh God no - not another Hovind…
Eric Hovind is correct
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
The tribulation is 7 days
Ross is a heretic
Give me a break
When someone replies with name-calling or insults,
I know the person has not one idea about the topic at hand.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
Ok but no rebuttals?