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Guys who love God and love the Bible. Join us as we walk through difficult theological topics with genuine curiosity. We also host theological discussions and debates between guests. Our end goal is to change the culture. We aim to talk to people, not about people.
Proving Calvinism in 45 Minutes w/ Tom Schreiner, Bruce Ware & Stephen Wellum
We had the privilege of sitting with respected Bible scholars Dr. Tom Schreiner, Dr. Bruce Ware, & Dr. Stephen Wellum of SBTS for a panel discussion. We were able to spend some time offering rebuttals to Calvinism to hear their response, as well as hitting some other topics such as demonology and politics.
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"THIS belief is destroying the church" - Ken Ham
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The Real Reason @smartchristians Disagrees With @Fighting4theFaith
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In this fascinating interview with renowned creationist Ken Ham, we dive deep into the key questions that an Old Earth Creationist might ask. From the age of the Earth to the interpretation of Genesis, Ken Ham provides insightful answers that explore the differences between Young Earth Creationism and Old Earth Creationism. This thought-provoking conversation sheds light on the biblical creatio...
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Jim Osman's Reasons Why He's a Cessationist
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Michael Brown's Reasons Why He's a Continuationist
I can certainly see why Hugh and Eric disagree with what scripture says, because scripture disagrees with itself. Eric mentioned “the earth will pass away, Is 65:17, 2 Peter 3:10. Except when scripture says the earth will not pass away Ps 104:5, Ecc 1:4
I know where Eric received his YEC indoctrination. It’s sad that he’s handing it down to a 3rd generation 😢
Let's see if I can make this extremely simple for everyone regarding double predestination and sovereign election. I hope this helps: God grants everyone born into the world providence, which is called COMMON grace and mercy. However, He only gives, by His sovereign will, SALVIFIC grace and mercy to whom He wishes. The rest, as it were, live solely in providence.
Every reference in scripture yom means 24 hrs.. only for old earthers. Do they make an exception for genisus 1. It seems old earthers are projecting millions of years onto the text when its clearly not.
It's Michael Brown's unyielding support for Sid Roth and other very suspicious characters. He checks all of the orthodox boxes but it's his glaring lack of discernment that makes people ask the question.
James wouldn't be so even handed if this were Leighton Flowers.
Dr Brown is now being accused of sexual abuse of a young girl, spiritual abuse to silence people who knew and now lying. Claiming it was non sexual. Something never set right with me concerning Browns teachings.
It is written You will know them by their fruit. Sweet water can not come from salt water. God pleasers are not will not be man pleasers. Double minded is not of Almighty God.
Yep! Exactly the 5 pillars of Islam right there! You did prove it! Very well done. Next time please include the Sura references too. Christians need those so they can get right to converting....oh wait...NO NEED! My bad.
I laughed so hard when I watched this. Leightons made up soteriology that is just another synergistic false teaching. He is saved because he was a choice meat. Or maybe it was the meat made the choice, either way , not biblical.
Calvinistic teaching got many logical traps/deadends, thus beings illogical. "TULIP" is a geat slap and slander at God and the mankind.
Does God determine everything even their freewill choices so not to be dependent on their choice? Who determined for Adam and Eve to fall?
almost there Tom just come on over toPostmill 😂
Babies dont sin. Temper tantrums are not sin. Vipers in diapers? Crazy.
Babies are not condemned because of adams sin. We are all judged on our own sin and babies have none. No we all are cursed because of adams sin but that's way different.
So babies have no sin yet are subject to disease and death and have died in the millions. God Himself killed many of them in the flood, for instance. The Bible ties death to sin. 👇👇👇 Romans 5:12 NLT _When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned._ So why do you believe babies have no sin again?
@@signposts6189 that's right babies have no sin whatsoever, tell me what sin they have committed? They are subject to the curses which includes human death brought about to the whole earth because of Adam sin. But they are not guilty of his sin and are innocent, if they die in infancy they go to be with the Lord not the devil. Yes God destroyed the whole earth, the animals did not sin did they, no and neither did the babies. Actually to preserve the human species and destroy fallen angel human hybrids after 120 years given to the adults to repent. David's son died, not because the baby sinned and he will see his father in heaven. Do you even hear yourself? I will pray for you, you seem to be more committed to a systematic like Calvinism then the actual word of God. Please do not council someone who loses a child and don't claim to be against abortion while also saying these aborted babies go to hell. That's just as crazy as James White saying God decrees and brings to past child rape where it has to come to past and your sin and evil thoughts and mind.
@@signposts6189Wrong Wrong Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are not guilty of if adams sin. Adam nor your kids are guilty of your sin. We each will be judged individually based on our own life sin and faith. Yes Adams sin affected the whole world and your sin affects your family and kids but they and you are not guilty of adams sin. We have sin of our own to deal with. When you were saved you asked God to forgive you for your sin, not your mother's, not your fathers, and definitely not Adams.or at least I hope. And he did and saved you specifically by grace through faith. He did not save your kids or Adam through your repentance confession and faith, he saved you neither did he condemn you to hell based on Adams your kids or fathers sin.
@Tigerex966 Yet Romans 5:12 straight up tells you *_everyone sinned._* You need to find something in Romans that exempts babies from this golden rule. Please do tell... I'll wait
@signposts6189 it's not talking about babies who cannot yet talk walk crawl speak understand anything or know right from wrong understand the gospel. Don't pretend you actually believe that's talking about babies in the womb because John Calvin says babies are doomed in the wind to hell or heaven before they are born by the false doctrine of double predestination
Wow they can't say babies don't go to hell Unbelievable evil, this is sad 😮😢 Not enough data?
Of course, they can't say for sure babies don't go to hell. If you think it is "unbelievably evil," here is a question for you: What happened to the babies and pregnant women in Sodom and Gomorrah when God rained fire and brimstone on those twin cities?
@signposts6189 the babies go to be with their maker they are innocent of any sin. Name one they did? Of such is the kingdom of heaven...as Jesus says. These men or more committed to a manmade Plato Augustine and gnostic based demonic manmade systematic then the Bible Babies do not go to hell, are you even serious?
What's relevant is whether or not God created evil and pain and suffering. If yes, that's a major problem for the character of God. If not, what is the scenario for an old earth? Was the earth in a state of paradise for billions of years before it became corrupted by Adam and Eve and the Serpent?
Most Calvinist, “ Our interpretation of Rom 9; Eph 1, John 6.44 and several other verses… repeated again and again and again. “ while ignoring and dismissing the majority of scripture regarding salvation. A Calvinist will tell you that their interpretation of a handful of verses is all that matters and they will unfortunately ignore any verses that contradict their interpretations. The saddest thing is that they cannot see that their interpretation does not accurately reflect Gods true character.
If Calvinism is an accurate understanding, then there are no avoidable outcomes, & nothing, including deception that will alter outcomes,i.e. salvation of the ‘elect’. Deception is NOT associated with risk to ultimate outcome. Why would it be that we are warned many times against deception in the Bible?
And you will not get meaningful engagement regarding this or in addressing reasonable questions. It’s both frustrating and frankly a bit disturbing. When you point out the obvious detriment to God’s character their system practically demands, they will point to some ‘atrocity’ in the Old Testament like Jepthah’s daughter or Saul’s sons handed over to the Gibeonites, to in a way acknowledge something we all see as horrible (as the surface understanding at least) to prove that they do see problems with God’s character from the text but then fall back to our inability to recognize good and bad (our depravity) &or the idea that whatever God does is by definition good. Basically their system handles everything and anything and their hope is in their election to an eternal destiny of bliss not worrying about what many see as plain injustice lack of goodness & kindness in the part of God, based on our innate sensibilities applied to their systematic. This pushes good people away from God, but this doesn’t worry many or any because ‘none are good’ and none of the ‘(reformed) elect’ will be lost, and so it continues and is practically impervious to any questioning or rationale, a terrible yet brilliant mind-trap.
@ 100%!!
The reality that every true disciple of Jesus Christ should be asking is why is 2 Timothy 4:8 not a reality in the vast majority of the Church? This love of His appearing is first of all affectional (ie we long for Him to come more than life itself -- Philippians 1:21) NOT merely an evangelical doctrine to which we "sign-up" when we are converted. John Piper, whom I respect and admire, did not even begin to ask this question in his 2023 book, "Come, Lord Jesus". I have written about this in "God Closed Church" for anyone who's interested. Maranatha and grace to all, Nick
Calvinisim: God picked people to be saved in eternity past, but still requires them to believe in his son who died for them only. At the same time granting them the belief they need to believe, because they can't believe, even though he tells them to believe. Then he makes sure they continue to believe, even though they were chosen to believe.Then he tells them to go into all the world and find the others he had picked to believe, because they can’t believe, even though they were chosen to believe.
It's almost a guarantee if Mike Riccardi is speaking about spiritual gifts, it's a 👎. And this, was a 👎.
I find it amazing the lack of depth the theologians have on imputed righteousness. How much of Jesus's life did you work? How much of Adam's sin was imputed to you? Was Grace completely free? Is sin only the work of the hands or of the heart
Calvinist are unbiblical. They have to change all to mean, the elect. They have to add before the beginning of time in Romans 9. Notice that Romans 9 is referring to Israel. God chose Jacob so that the messiah would come from his lineage. He did not choose Isau for that reason. A Calvinist has to add, Jacob is all of those who God chose before the beginning of time and Isau are the reprobates. The Bible does not say that. That idea has to be presupposed and brought into the text
I voted for A PRESIDENT ( Trump) Not a Pastor !!!
After listening to your confusion, how you understand the Bible. This scripture comes to mind. Jesus tells a parable in Mark 4 that perfectly portrays the ways in which this story ends: Some of will finish well, but many will fall away.
He doesn't pick for hell but leaves them cause He foreknows who wouldn't believe
John 3:17 refutes all of Calvinism. The World - Kosmos (all of sinful humanity) Sozo subjunctive mood - might be saved, (has the ability possibility and potentiality to believe and be saved.) Poof
The first question makes me chill. God created Adam and Eve, but that they have sinned and its in human nature we go agaist God. But God loves humanity that he sacrificed his own Son not because we deserve it but because of His great mercy and grace, those people He seprated for Him, He change the disposition of their heart and sustain it. If you want fairness and judgement, no one is going to heaven, so he shown mercy to who he shown mercy, he loves Jacob but hates Esau, despite the fact that both still in their mothers womb. God is not heartless, He is full of Love, People cant even understand He is a Soveriegn God, He select.and seprate as He pleases. All of these what i mentioned here are all in the Holy Scripture
Stop being infantile! This is life and death! Yes! A Christian CAN have a demon! Churches have many! Discernment is almost nonexistant. But because so many are simply ignorant (or fearful) of the things of the Spirit, they critisize what they cannot understand. Just like unbelievers, only at a different level. Y'all think it is all the same thing. The fact is there is a spectrum of demonic influence, with Christians being imune to the most extreme due to the presence of the Holy Spirit. These range from the passive implantation of thoughts in the mind to full-blown possession requiring strong physical restraint. (like 6 men required to pull a girl off the ceiling!) Like cancer, which requires no precurser, it can grow slowly, almost imperseptively The unvigilant, insensitive never know they are being played, seduced. The goal is to gain advantage, to limiting the Christian from being effective as they could be. They don't care if your saved, as long as you are ineffective, limited in your thinking. "Doctrines of demons" are popular. Getting Christians to point fingers at other Christians is sport. They barage the mind with thoughts of unworthiness, fear, torment, even sickness. They often speak in the first person, "How will I tell my son I have cancer?" But you don't have cancer, yet.
Thank you Dr Brown and Jim... I would like to clarify that All of the Gifts mentioned in the Bible are not "our" abilities or do they operate according to "Our" Will. It is Very Important that we Believe the Lord. Jesus himself couldn't work in his own town because of what? Their..Unbelief. Faith is needed. Why do you look upon us as though we by our own abilities...no he said "Through Faith in the Name of Jesus Christ.. Every one Can...but not All Do... Thanks
I find it interesting that after reading the Bible contextually anyone would find that what it says to be untruthful or non factual. We do not have the right or authority to believe what we want unbelief is a strong force of deception
In poetic speak, evening and morning is a way of saying the beginning and the ending of that day. Just like 7 weeks of years is poetic speak.
Actually we need to understand he said that days could mean a lot of stuff therefore it is logical to assume the Earth took years to form such as the solar system our sol system why let's go to revelatio n there is something similar like Genesis it says I do not remember the verses or chapters but it was saying that the beasts kingdom will last 1 week now 1 week is seven days in total so Satan's kingdom will last a week or not?Not exactly 1 week could mean as six days the same thing more or less that than that or the same but the answer is there which the devil's kingdom will last 7 years if seven days are 7 years according to many christians therefore it is logical to say that 6 days were actually 6 whole years which backs it up by the 7 years who are described as 7 days and it is not contradicting the Bible in fact as I said days could be lots of things like hours,minutes,years e.t.c therefore the world was made in 6 years the Earth and everything in the solar system because it is unreasonable to exclude our solar system since Earth is a part of it.
Why are the majority of Christians not Calvinists?
Because 90% of Christians are biblically illiterate. Thats a literal statistic.
Another example of the incoherence of Christianity. What a vile belief system.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GOD OF CALVINISM AND THE DEVIL IS, THE DEVIL WANTS EVERYONE IN HELL, THE GOD OF CALVINISM JUST WANTS ALMOST EVERYONE IN HELL!
So the God of Calvinism (The God of the Bible) is totally unlike your god. Got it
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Yes God died on the cross. Jesus is fully God, and He really died on the cross.
God cannot die. It's impossible for God to lie. His Son came to earth. The exact equal of Adam or corresponding sacrifice.. The second Adam, and died for our sins. Peter answered, you are the christ, the son of the living God..jesus commended him. Who was lying ? Who is lying .?
If babies are born sinners then so was baby Jesus
Not so. Babies are born sinners because they inherit the fallen nature of Adam as scripture says. However, Jesus was not born of a man. He did not inherit Adams sinful nature. This was the whole purpose for being born from a virgin
@ inheriting flesh isn’t a sin to give account for on the day of judgment . The “original sin” doctrine of man disregards and contradicts The Word of G-D. “The soul who sins, he shall die. THE SON SHALL NOT BEAR THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHER, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.” Ezekiel 18:20 Sin is not inherited Secondly, if Jesus is a demigod, then he is not the Messiah and Joseph’s genealogies in Luke and Matthew are completely irrelevant. Deifying Jesus robs him of his accolade as the only one worthy to open the scroll and look inside it. Deifying Jesus makes Jesus a hypocrite pretending to be a human, pretending to be tempted, and pretending to suffer. He only half suffered, he only half emptied himself. Deifying Jesus also makes G-D a hypocrite for flooding the earth and wiping out humanity and banishing the nephilim to Tartarus for making babies with the daughters of Adam…only for THE HOLY SPIRIT to impregnate the Jewish Pharisee Miriam with HIS HOLY SEED? Absolutely Ridiculous. The Holy Spirit transmitted Joseph’s seed into Miriam’s womb without the normal means of intercourse. Why is this important? Because “the virgin birth” was not a Messianic requirement, but a LITERAL seed of David through Solomon IS a requirement, so if Joseph is NOT Jesus’s biological father then Jesus is disqualified from being a Messianic candidate.
Why not just explain that Jesus’s spirit body left his physical body. The resurrection was the reunification of the eternal Spirit with a new eternal physical body.
Wow the trinity is ridiculous.
Drop the determinism and the Bible makes perfect sense. You do not need to hold a lot of “mysteries “ as far as salvation is concerned. Election is clearly conditional.
If you think that then you are confessing to believe that you must work to get to Heaven. You must get smart enough. Wise enough. You must make yourself get the thing the scripture says you can’t get (1 Corinthians 2:14) and therefore you are espousing a false Gospel.
@ Nope. You are assuming a deterministic view. Why did you believe? Because you won the cosmic lottery? Or because you accepted the invitation? The Spirit draws. We are responsible to come. Faith is never ever seen as a work in scripture. Actually it is clearly put just opposed in Romans 3:22, Romans 3:28
Step 1 for proving Calvinism: Make sure your panelists are actually Calvinists. Bruce Ware’s a sweet man and loves the Lord (more than I ever will!). But he’s no Calvinist (he rejects particular redemption).
If Jesus didn't die a spiritual, eternal death, and the wages of sin are a spiritual, eternal death, then he didn't pay the wages of anyone's sin.
@@TucsonKEG so you’re saying Jesus’s divine nature had to die?
@@BibledingersIf he didn't die in the same way that we would for having sinned then he didn't actually sacrifice himself, and pay for anyone's sin.
Immediately the 1st question. 1st guy doesnt even hint at scripture. 2nd guy pulls a couple of proof texts and tells you the made up version of what predestination means in those verses. Obviously you'll find Calvinism when you already believe it! Calvinism is a evil cancer
What are the preconditions to faith and salvation under Calvinism? I understand it to be nothing about the people themselves because they’re equally (identically?) undeserving. I understand all are undeserving. But God has mercy on Paul because he acted in ignorance. Also, 1 Cor 1:26-29 gives certain characteristics of people that God chose. That is, God does give some reasons for who he chose. Also think about the parable of the sower. The characteristics of the soil are important prior to the seed being planted and bringing forth life. God resists the proud, gives grace to the humble. Psalm 18:27 God saves a humble people. Humility is capable of receiving from the will of the giver as it doesn’t attribute greatness to itself. Therefore it gives God all the glory. It seems to be a precondition. How and why it occurs is certainly a question. But nonetheless it seems to be a precondition.
Scripture teaches us why. God fulfills any “preconditions” that are required. He puts men exactly where they need to be and influences and shapes every one of the elects minds and situations to the point of fertility if you will. God woos. God “calls” and “makes to come” (Psalm 65:4) He convicts and fills and makes new. God shapes the clay and then does with the clay as He pleases.
those who hate a Calvinist understanding of scripture love a contingent God and their idol is human 'free will' including the freedom to follow and obey Jesus. I'll assume that many are regenerate lover's of the promised Messiah Jesus but as is true of all men (including Christians) that we see through a glass darkly and if we knew the truth scripture teaches clearly and comprehensively we would pray to submit to God and align with grace and the Spirit's leading.
The Synod of Dort, where the Arminian position was put on trial and they refused to defend their position of freewill salvation… The Synod, however, very properly, reminded him ... that, as the Remonstrants were accused of departing from the Reformed faith, they were bound first to justify themselves, by giving Scriptural proof in support of their opinions. The Arminians would not submit to this plan of procedure because it destroyed their whole scheme of argument ... and were thus compelled to withdraw. Upon their departure, the Synod proceeded without them.[
(I am a calvinist) But I would like you to Send me your source. I can’t find any of what you claim.
@ Look up the Synod of Dort. This was from an abstract of the Synod.
Lol. Take a drink when bro in the middle says "you have to be very careful" to protect his theology😂
So if you have a family who comes in and has lost a child you will tell them "Hey I know you lost your child but...they could be in hell, they could be in heaven...I dont really know...SORRY!" Got it I will mark and acoid your teachings!
Calvinists don’t have to say any such thing because Calvinists A: Don’t believe infants who die are non elect B: Don’t take a stance of the salvation of older children or claim an unbiblical “age of accountability” C: Understand that the scripture alone informs a person of their own salvation so that they have assurance of said salvation. We can only speak on what may seem to be or not seem to be regarding someone’s salvation status. Punishment for sin is dependent upon what a person knows and it is God who determines when that is for everyone. Simultaneously, because we Trust God, unlike you, we understand that even if God does damn infants to hell for being born sinners (as scripture says of them) He is good, right, Holy, and just for doing so.