SICKLE vs. SWORD... It's Intense.

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  • @512TheWolf512
    @512TheWolf512 2 года назад +918

    Anyone who ever used a sickle for their intended purpose for more than 10 minutes could tell you that it's not at all an innocent and unassuming tool

    • @gergokerekes4550
      @gergokerekes4550 2 года назад +150

      freshly sharpened it is a scary tool, like a machete. just with that you know it is dangerous, the sickle looks soo "tool-ish" but damn keep your hands way above cutting height or you might have to collect your fingers from the grass.

    • @512TheWolf512
      @512TheWolf512 2 года назад +68

      @@gergokerekes4550 just like with a scythe. And if you don't keep it properly sharpened, it won't do it's job at all

    • @gergokerekes4550
      @gergokerekes4550 2 года назад +60

      @@512TheWolf512 yeah, where I live there is at least one accident with them each summer my wife is a surgeon and she pulls ER shifts a lot, she once had to suture more than 40 centimeters becouse some poor guy got cut with one in his leg and the blade rode up his bone gnarly stuff. effective tools, but damn they require more attention than many would expect.

    • @512TheWolf512
      @512TheWolf512 2 года назад +30

      @@gergokerekes4550 yeah I nearly sliced my right index finger off this summer when sharpening a scythe

    • @deli8878
      @deli8878 2 года назад +20

      @@gergokerekes4550 Dang that's gnarly. Just to elaborate you mean like the blade didn't cut into the bone so it deflected and rode up the bone, ending up leaving a hanging piece of flesh off the bone? If so that's one ugly and messy scene/

  • @Gakulon
    @Gakulon 2 года назад +307

    That hook around the neck is delightfully brutal; the sickle is definitely cool enough to build character concepts around like those from the beginning

    • @alphastronghold715
      @alphastronghold715 Год назад +15

      Possible character idea as well: a fighter with the grappler feat who uses the sickles for said grappling. They seemed quite effective at that in the video, and honestly a lot of the flaws seem to be counteracted if using heavy armor.

  • @anthonylamonica8301
    @anthonylamonica8301 2 года назад +611

    Now I actually want someone to make Skall a dueling sickle, with slightly adjusted blade geometry and a hand-guard. He could rightly claim that it's for yard work.
    Also, I want to see a "double plebian combo" with a machete in the main hand with the dueling sickle in the off hand. Go full peasant!

    • @ragingmurder8073
      @ragingmurder8073 2 года назад +48

      Club main hand sickle offhand for blunt damage enthusiast's

    • @corwinhyatt519
      @corwinhyatt519 2 года назад +20

      Isn't a machete in that hypothetical roughly the same as a falchion, messer or cutlass?

    • @anthonylamonica8301
      @anthonylamonica8301 2 года назад +40

      @@corwinhyatt519 Kinda, but not really. They handle differently due to variations in blade geometry, which makes sense because machetes were intended to be used on densely overgrown foliage, not people. _Obviously_ the design is _plenty_ effective against flesh and bone, but that wasn't the true objective of the machete.

    • @CtrlAltRetreat
      @CtrlAltRetreat 2 года назад +27

      Just get a tree trimmer bill hook and your peasant will have a proper polearm to start with without being at a disadvantage in the first place

    • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
      @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 2 года назад +19

      Or _The Gigapeasant,_ wielder of the mighty two-handed sickle.

  • @admirallister7847
    @admirallister7847 2 года назад +234

    I'd love a followup/next in series for sickles, where Skall gives in depth thoughts as to how to improve sickle combat & design, the pros and cons of different ideas, possibly settling on one, and working with a blacksmith to make it

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad 2 года назад +19

      That sounds exciting. We've seen the Skallagrim Reaper, now it's time for the... Sickle-agrim?

    • @maninsomati5681
      @maninsomati5681 2 года назад +10

      Agree! would love to see some "war sickle"!

    • @Sanya6496
      @Sanya6496 2 года назад +6

      That would be sick. Yeah, talking about pros and cons and improving sickle combat is a great idea!

    • @zenhydra
      @zenhydra 2 года назад +8

      There is already an improvement on the sickle as a weapon (several actually), the shotel being one of them. The larger size blade, and greater mass, means that it is more difficult to displace its intercepting blade. I'm curious about how effective a shotel (or other comparable sickle-sword) would be with an appropriately scaled complex hilt.

    • @Sanya6496
      @Sanya6496 2 года назад +4

      @@zenhydra Ooh. Shotel like weapon with a useful guard could be quite a fun thing to mess with how effectively someone could hook a blade and score hits in unusual ways.

  • @connerymilne6466
    @connerymilne6466 2 года назад +116

    I am reminded of when I used to spar in martial arts, the biggest advantage I could have was to just have longer arms than the other guy

    • @admirallister7847
      @admirallister7847 2 года назад +17

      I'm nearly 6'6 and it's the only thing that keeps me going when I spar with my friend with far better footwork than me

    • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
      @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 2 года назад +13

      *sad short noises*

    • @RohandaveSingh-xz6td
      @RohandaveSingh-xz6td Год назад

      Yeah but only for striking because being shorter actually makes kne better and grappling

  • @stevemessengerart
    @stevemessengerart 2 года назад +91

    dude... the sickle just looks so brutal, picturing unarmored combat... town would look like a Jackson Pollack

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад +12

      they're brutal in armored combat as well provided it isnt chain mail. you aim for the gaps in armor to dismember, from the bottom of the shoulder, where the coif meets the chest, the back of the knee so on and so forth

  • @cosmiclive4437
    @cosmiclive4437 2 года назад +60

    I love the audible groan after having to get bodied for using the sickle. Having that much of a reach disadvantage sounds extremely frustrating, I agree.

    • @sidecharacter7165
      @sidecharacter7165 2 года назад +2

      A shield might help you get in close where you have the advantage.

  • @drewlytle2281
    @drewlytle2281 2 года назад +623

    When I was doing Olympic style fencing, my coach was about 5'6. He often said that in the case of a height difference which usually meant reach difference, you let them come to you. Have them advance and try and time to attack when they're foot is in the air still.

    • @heavenlysteel8337
      @heavenlysteel8337 2 года назад +46

      Makes sense. You have less distance to close when the opponent is not moving backwards trying to kite you. I don't do any martial arts but I think this is a primary component of counter-striking.

    • @davyhype6502
      @davyhype6502 2 года назад +2

      The shotel plzzz

    • @Noeyk200
      @Noeyk200 2 года назад +29

      I learned the exact same thing in boxing. I was a very tall kid, and my coach taught me this principle so I would understand what my opponents wanted.
      The only problem with the strategy of waiting for your opponent to approach is that a good opponent will know that’s what you want. They never have to come to you; they can simply wait for you to come to them. They don’t have to play on your terms. That’s exactly what my coach taught me to do, and it worked really well in boxing, so I imagine it works even better in fencing, since fencing is a sport where a single touch decides the winner.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад +8

      this is quite literally the only effective way to use sickles with a reach disadvantage outside of just constantly attacking in an almost war cadence alternating grips and stiking hands to not give them the chance to counter, except the focus is less on their footwork and more on the elbow and shoulder, they tell you where the strikes momentum carries allowing you to anticipate parry and counter hopefully lethally on the first try. im more a fan of the constant attack method cause its more fun and with enough practice very rarely fails, where as the defensive style requires much more fine motor skill and training

    • @hrothgarnogar
      @hrothgarnogar 2 года назад +2

      @@davyhype6502 What even is the point of your comment here???

  • @stevetaylorftw
    @stevetaylorftw 2 года назад +266

    Mismatched matchups with your analysis really help me understand what makes a weapon “good”. Thanks for doing this! More, please!

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад +4

      there is no good or bade type of blade only individuals that are either good or bad with that blade, im trained in kama (japanese short blade sickles), have beat swords, but at the same time have lost a few times to individuals using sais, because they offer more utility but do the same job in essence, controlling your opponents arc of attack. so there is almost no such thing as a bad weapon, granted there are some but even those few that are genuinely bad, like the lantern shield (google it) which only works to its full potential at night have had people that were wildly successful with them. it is a matter of the time and effort each individual is willing to put into any given weapon that determines its value in combat. my instructor always used to tell me "weapons may break men, but it is the man who makes it a weapon"

    • @Skallagrim
      @Skallagrim  2 года назад +71

      @@rocconatale9503 Well, different weapons have pros and cons, and some are at a serious disadvantage against others. When a fighter is able to win with an inferior weapon it simply means that their skill / experience / physical fitness is far enough ahead of the opponent to compensate for that disadvantage.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад +4

      @@Skallagrim thats what i just said though. And you are agreeing with me the individual is what makes the weapon dangerous. I have seen people beat longswords with a foil the weapon means nothing its the person that uses it. *at least in sport* i will say though that in actual combat the disadvantage feels much more real and is enough to psyche almost anyone out when you realize your weapon of choice is under a foot

    • @Nerdnumberone
      @Nerdnumberone 2 года назад +9

      @@rocconatale9503 something like the sickle is still a "bad weapon" in this sort of fight because you need a significant skill differential to even make it a fair fight. The sickle user is playing on "hard mode". Just because there exists a person who can beat you with their dominant hand tied behind their back doesn't mean that having a hand tied behind your back isn't objectively a disadvantage.
      A weapon can't win or lose a fight on its own, but it can certainly make it harder or easier, therefore we can rate weapons against each other.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад +1

      @@Nerdnumberone you literally cant. A weapons effectiveness is entirely based on the person wielding it. objectively comparing weapons based on pros and cons means nothing. The only thing it allows you to do is determine which are harder or easier to learn. It does not speak to their effectiveness and to even attempt to imply otherwise is asinine. I've spent most of my life training with a variety of martial weapons im good with some bad with others but the weapons themselves are nothing more than tools, the utility of the weapon is determined by the craftsman just the same way that any other tools effectiveness is.

  • @devanpretorius451
    @devanpretorius451 2 года назад +418

    if you added a hand guard, it would probably have been better, still looks really cool and for a rogue/ assassin seems perfect. Great vid and gives insight into how tropes might be better implemented in media and gives a great learning experience. Thanks for great contene!

    • @grits_taste_good415
      @grits_taste_good415 2 года назад +7

      Why not a clam shell gauntlet?

    • @devanpretorius451
      @devanpretorius451 2 года назад +7

      @@grits_taste_good415 Maybe, I dunno. I jus
      really like guards that cover the hand like Skall's photoshopped picture of a sickle with a hand guard.
      Edit: Also I imagine having a sword hit directly on your knuckles even with a gauntlet like that would probably be very painful, which isn't really a problem with full hand guards that are attached to the weapon, nut hey, I have never really spared with anything but Skall did mention this in some of his vids.

    • @davyhype6502
      @davyhype6502 2 года назад +3

      The shotel is op

    • @davyhype6502
      @davyhype6502 2 года назад +2

      Does the shotel solves the issue of sickle

    • @devanpretorius451
      @devanpretorius451 2 года назад +3

      @@davyhype6502 alot of shotels don't seem to have that much of a guard but are much longer so has other advantages but no it doesn't really because it is a long curved sword, not a short sickle as Skall shows off in the video, but thanks for reminding me of it, it is still under appreciated and cool despite not really relating to the discussion. :D

  • @kounurasaka5590
    @kounurasaka5590 2 года назад +31

    The thing that I find the most interesting from these kinds of tests, is how likely it is that each fighter would end up with some kind of injury. Assuming both fighters are of comparable skill, even the victor is still walking away with some cuts and stab wounds (assuming limited armor options). It really makes me wonder how common debilitating injuries would have been even for those who survived most battles.

  • @youremakingprogress144
    @youremakingprogress144 2 года назад +59

    Excellent work! I love the technical breakdown, the sparring footage was illuminating, and there were plenty of laughs to be had. I also think it's impressive that Skall doesn't take himself too seriously and doesn't treat the sparring as a competition. High five to Sindri, too. (Is that his real name, or a nickname from the mythical dwarven smith?)

  • @y_magaming9798
    @y_magaming9798 2 года назад +46

    There's a Korean group that was using a double ended scythe against a katana or samgakdo. Love that group

  • @YourLocalHimbo36
    @YourLocalHimbo36 Год назад +8

    Skall became Death, straight up

  • @junemoeggenborg1873
    @junemoeggenborg1873 2 года назад +55

    For me the really cool thing is hearing your mindset and possible improvements! Because all i could think was "wait, that sounds like a Chinese hook sword!" Longer reach, fairly complex hand protection, yet still with the advantages of the sickle!

    • @adambielen8996
      @adambielen8996 2 года назад +2

      Well that would be a bit more similar to a one handed Dacian Falx.

    • @TheLithp
      @TheLithp 2 года назад +7

      I was thinking, "Besides the guard, you could add a point that extends beyond the hook for stabbing," only to realize that I just reinvented the oddly-named chicken sickles.

  • @ezrafaulk3076
    @ezrafaulk3076 2 года назад +69

    To sum it all up, *no* weapon's perfect, every single one has its strengths and weaknesses, and the one you pick should always be what works best for *you* and the situation *you're* gonna be in.

    • @mitchelrowe6915
      @mitchelrowe6915 2 года назад +11

      Which is not likely going to be a sickle... Badass tho

    • @feritperliare2890
      @feritperliare2890 2 года назад +4

      And since you are limited by money and the likelihood of situations a single weapon should be your answer so what should it be?
      For self defense probably a sword I think is fair and in times of war the spear is great

    • @mitchelrowe6915
      @mitchelrowe6915 2 года назад +9

      @@feritperliare2890 9mm

    • @civilprotectionunit8145
      @civilprotectionunit8145 2 года назад +1

      @@feritperliare2890 I think a halberd might be better

    • @victoriazero8869
      @victoriazero8869 2 года назад +4

      @@feritperliare2890 Historically, at some point, the sword *was* the expensive option. This wasn't different whether it's in Europe or Japan. Sickle is cheaper than swords like it's not funny. Hell they're much cheaper even in modern age, a good sickle is cheaper than dirt wallhanger.

  • @marcogenovesi8570
    @marcogenovesi8570 2 года назад +53

    Interesting, they seem to be much more viable than daggers against bigger weapons

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад +9

      With proper training you could use either against larger weapons. I would take someone with a sword using a daga and in fact have in scrimmage, but yeah sickles and kamas are objectively better at fighting outside of their weight class

    • @TrueFork
      @TrueFork 2 года назад

      clearly sickles are meant for dual wielding

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад

      @@TrueFork no one said they werent?

    • @nkyfong
      @nkyfong 2 года назад

      @@rocconatale9503, except for ninjas.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад +1

      @@nkyfong thats not true. Kama the japanese sickle are almost strictly dual wield with the exception of some kata that are designed for kodachi and kama, there are however kusurigama (chain kama's) that typically only have a kama on one side and a counter weight on the other that you can use as a hammer. So no even most ninjas dual wielded them since kusurigama is one of the harder weapons most of them wouldnt have been using it everyday

  • @bartweijs
    @bartweijs 2 года назад +7

    If I remember correctly, there were some Kusarigama with handguards for that particular reason. However; any actual farmer would much rather grab his pitchfork, sharpened spade or threshing flail as an improvised weapon. Also, sickles were extremely light, thin and made from plain iron, not steel. A moderate strike from a twohander would go straight through the blade.

  • @ryanart7241
    @ryanart7241 2 года назад +5

    Love it skall. Always appreciate the hard work and study you put into these vids.

  • @falfires
    @falfires 2 года назад +1

    The SNICK-SNACK of double sickles before a bout seems hella intimidating.

  • @jarongreen5480
    @jarongreen5480 2 года назад +8

    By the way Skallagrim, this was brought to mind by the reference in video, but I actually played Castlevania for the first time recently and it was really awesome! I see why you reference it all the time.

  • @Transmissional
    @Transmissional 5 месяцев назад

    I honestly really like watching these videos because you just genuinely seem to have fun doing this. And even if you for some reason completely stopped RUclips you would probably still be sparring with your friends until the day you physically can't. So thanks for the video, and I hope life is well for you :)

  • @panoctic
    @panoctic 2 года назад +6

    now i remember the guy from sleepy hollow, decided to grab two sicles to fight the horseman then gets cut in half.

  • @tommeakin1732
    @tommeakin1732 2 года назад +28

    This has only just occurred to me, but do you think one of the companies that create these synthetic weapons would custom build your requests as part of what would essentially be a sponsorship deal...? I know it'd be painfully inefficient and expensive for them to just build a very small number, but I honestly know nothing about their manufacturing process to know how expensive it'd be for them. I was just thinking it'd be kind of cool if you could look at a weapon like this sickle, speculate on what would improve it (like added hand protection), have someone build a practice version for you, and then you go and spar with it ^^

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад +7

      a lot of them are either made of similar stuff as fencing foils or neoprene both are usually done with molds, pretty expensive cause each new design is a new mold entirely

  • @jarcuadanantus28
    @jarcuadanantus28 2 года назад +10

    Man, I really love these sickle videos. They're just so interesting. But if the main drawback is the lack of reach, what if instead of a rapier and dagger, one's offhand was the sickle?

  • @kyleepratt
    @kyleepratt 2 месяца назад

    Jesus Swashbuckling Christ you two are fast. The redirection of the sword tip and full swing, and the reaction of the sickle to meet it is just so impressive.

  • @tiltskillet7085
    @tiltskillet7085 2 года назад +4

    Great video. Apart from the ease of hitting with the swords, the percentage of hits that looked like they'd be immediately debilitating was much higher.

  • @sky_tricks_ya6823
    @sky_tricks_ya6823 2 года назад +1

    I JUST LOVE THE INTRO "PEASANTS GONE WILD" LMFAO

  • @GeorgeCowsert
    @GeorgeCowsert 2 года назад +10

    Now I wanna see what using the sickle as an off-handed weapon could do, sortof like how Rapier and Dagger fighting is considered to be superior solely because you have something to attack with mid-parry.

    • @Reverend_Salem
      @Reverend_Salem 8 месяцев назад

      especially since the sickle seems to be fairly good as a parrying weapon. paired with a good sized onehanded sword it likely would be a great combo.

  • @snideaugustine2143
    @snideaugustine2143 2 года назад +1

    Love these vids Skall! Great stuff. It’s nice that you show actual footage and analysis rather than gimmicks. As a writer I appreciate this -immensely-. This has definitely inspired me to improve the sickle design into a dedicated weapon for my book.

  • @easternhills1329
    @easternhills1329 2 года назад +5

    It was a fantastic video. I feel like skall used more side movement with two sickles later on. Perhaps the trick is to not provide the longer reach weapon the comfort of standard fight and use the mobility to force the swordsman into bad footwork? 🤔

  • @Schenkel101
    @Schenkel101 2 года назад +2

    Next episode, sickle and hammer fighting

  • @markrod20
    @markrod20 2 года назад +3

    Now I curious how sickle would do against spear and other weapons with long shaft. Hooking against those weapons should be more deadly I think. It was a pleasure to watch all this sparing. It's very intresting see this weapon in action. I still think in a fantasy setting giving weapon like this to undead creatures is a good idea. They don't care about being damaged, but can go full offense with it bypass enemy armor by slashing weak spots.

  • @DeusVultLurch
    @DeusVultLurch 2 года назад +1

    I'd like to see the sickle up against other short weapons rather than vs a longer weapon. That would likely make for some more interesting & surprising conclusions. This also makes me really curious as to how a sword would stand up to a sickle sword. Seeing a medieval sword trainer vs a Street Forge Armory Sickle Sword trainer could have some very interesting results.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад

      Firstly sickle swords are ancient and difficult to create sturdy usually b/c they require a much thicker tang to support the body meaning they weigh around a pound or two more than your typical sword and have much more utility. Sword loses to khopesh, shamshir, or shotel 9/10, they arent designed to bind like the sickle swords are and aside from that sickle swords are capable of generating more momentum due to their weight and anatomy. And even ignoring all of that the utility they provide being able to switch to almost any grip or stance without sacrificing power or range is just devastating. Oh and the traditional khopesh specifically is actually designed to disarm your opponent the crook of the blade is actually goes up then down to the hilt which creates a small lip near the base of the blade to catch a blade and all you have to do is twist hard to the outside and often it bind their blade between the lip and body of you own if not just wrench your opponents weapon from their hand.

  • @Profile__1
    @Profile__1 2 года назад +37

    Hey Skallagrim, I'm sure you've already been told, but I'd suggest for you to get into making more "shorts." They seem really popular, and I know they typically get a ton of random viewers in too. Your content has always been super interesting and highly immersive, plus you yourself are a really interesting speaker/narrator/educator with how you approach topics and teach. I think Shorts would definitely benefit you with the numbers and stuff as well as give you the opportunity to do more one-off skits or topics. But this is just a random recommendation coming from a random fan.

    • @manuelunger9360
      @manuelunger9360 2 года назад

      Agree

    • @comradebork
      @comradebork 2 года назад +3

      I hate shorts so much I'm watching naked.
      The problem is navigation: shorts have inferior and awkward controls.

    • @Profile__1
      @Profile__1 2 года назад +1

      @@comradebork That's true, but I think RUclips is definitely going to mess around with that soon since most of their views and interactions are coming from those.

    • @johnbennett1465
      @johnbennett1465 2 года назад +1

      @@comradebork apparently it depends on the app. On my Android tablet, I see both with the same viewer and therefore the same controls.

    • @dux5525
      @dux5525 2 года назад +1

      I thought that you don't make much from Shorts though.

  • @lunayre
    @lunayre 2 года назад

    the way you hooked the guard at 5 minutes shook me to my core.

  • @unusualfabrication9937
    @unusualfabrication9937 2 года назад +4

    love to see a specially designed battle sickle

  • @l0rf
    @l0rf 2 года назад +1

    I like the basket hilt sickle. I'm going to try and work that into something, somewhere. Very cool idea and with a little false edge on the outside it would serve well as a secondary weapon for a culture more focused on slices than piercing armour like most of Europe developed into.

    • @l0rf
      @l0rf 2 года назад

      Though I suppose at that point it almost becomes a Chinese hook sword. Still probably different enough.

  • @lukahumar1371
    @lukahumar1371 2 года назад +4

    The sickle would definitely be a devastating weapon with minor improvements, it does need some hand protection though. I'd maybe try a longer handle too (not by much tho), possibly with a hidden dagger in it for that bonus assassin points

  • @alone4156
    @alone4156 Год назад

    Damn! That catch and throat slice to the right. Chef's kiss and s***

  • @arly803
    @arly803 2 года назад +15

    any thought to follow up with an improved combat sickle? i.e. a hand guard and somekind of cross or hook at the base of the blade to catch+hold a blade.

    • @shaderax_storm6165
      @shaderax_storm6165 2 года назад +1

      Obvious answer to deal with reach issues is to put it on a stick... That's a scythe. Or put it on a chain, that's a kama. I do like the Khopesh though, a blacksmith close to where I live makes beautiful bronze ones...
      I wonder if there was a sword made for cutting round corners?

    • @kris4786
      @kris4786 2 года назад +3

      @@shaderax_storm6165 there are African swords for hooking shields and striking around them.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад

      @@shaderax_storm6165 kamas are not on a chain. kamas are short bladed front facing sickles, kusurigama is the chain sickle

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад

      @@kris4786 although the continent was Africa the swords were egyptian and persian not african the shotel was the ethiopian one and it wasnt meant to disarm like the khopesh or the shamshir is. although it is capable of doing so.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад +1

      @@kris4786 my bad i just noticed you were talking about stirking over shields which is exactly what the african one is for lmao

  • @HereticalKitsune
    @HereticalKitsune 2 года назад

    Really liked the fighting montage, first in first person, then from the outside for a clearer picture. Nice work!

  • @acemarvel1564
    @acemarvel1564 2 года назад +14

    If used correctly this can definitely be a devastating one on one combat weapon style

  • @bpb210
    @bpb210 2 года назад

    I love the commentary during the sparring; both written and voice over.

  • @Sanya6496
    @Sanya6496 2 года назад +5

    As always, excellent video! With all this talk of sickles, I'm wondering if you could maybe talk about the Shotel and sort of seeing how a sickle like weapon with a bit more reach would handle. I don't know if you'd actually be able to do it, but it would be interesting and might give me a better idea of the mechanics of such a weapon (I'm planning for one of my future dnd characters to use one).

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад

      Think of swinging around a curved stick now flatten it out and put a double edge on it boom you got a shotel. Its mostly just parry and slash in one fluid motion at its simplest form from what i understand

  • @minaminasstudios8492
    @minaminasstudios8492 7 месяцев назад +1

    0:33
    Or a scary wolf who’s supposed to be the embodiment of death!

  • @I_am_ENSanity
    @I_am_ENSanity 2 года назад +3

    If you have good armor I could imagine dual wielding scythes could work. Use one hand to always bind while the other focuses solely on damage.

  • @DesignerBerg
    @DesignerBerg 2 года назад

    I friggin love the camerawork, editing, commentary and overall epic content of this video! It's even better than the last one!

  • @Ranstone
    @Ranstone 2 года назад +4

    In all honesty, I would still feel uncomfortable using a sickle against an unarmed attacker. Every real fight I have ever lost was because my grappling sucks. I _need_ the ability to stab to feel confident.

  • @hgd_hanylovely7544
    @hgd_hanylovely7544 Год назад +1

    Its funny because in "My Country" we actually still uses sickle ,specifically palm sickle as notorious for being one of the most commond weapon for street fighting , maybe because it was able to counter machete and really good at stabbing and grabbing people but idk more

  • @FantasticFourJohnnyStorm
    @FantasticFourJohnnyStorm Год назад +4

    Pick it up.

    • @rommix0
      @rommix0 Год назад

      pick... it... UP!

  • @DaLottiePirate
    @DaLottiePirate 2 года назад

    Skall, some of your dodges against the longsword... uff mah man, smooth!!!

  • @EclipsisTenebris
    @EclipsisTenebris 2 года назад +5

    I am trained in a rare style similar to this. The trick is... and this sounds really dumb at first and without training... a low stance and hopping/scittering around moreso than actually walking.

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad 2 года назад +1

      Makes sense. Keeps your legs within your own reach so you don't get chunked below where you can block and helps a little with the leverage problem, right?

    • @EclipsisTenebris
      @EclipsisTenebris 2 года назад +1

      @@Ithirahad Yes, it keeps the legs within the own reach but unfortunately there's no fixing the leverage. What it does do, is allow for better movement since you never put too much weight on one leg to move in any direction and you can lunge quickly at your opponent with a hop if you see an opening for grappling or striking.
      Also, it's part of Ninjutsu so it's very exhaustive and only meant to overwhelm an opponent quickly. Drawn-out fighting like this would be killer on your legs, regardless of training. It's very specialized.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад

      Would it happen to be ryukyu kama kabudo?

    • @EclipsisTenebris
      @EclipsisTenebris 2 года назад +1

      @@rocconatale9503 close but no. It's possible they had the same origin. We use a lower stance than the Ryukyu style and we connect the two kama with a chain to form it into a rare type of kusarigama sometimes referred to as a Nikama. Also, as I said before it's a Ninjutsu style, not a Kobudo style.
      That said, some of the techniques are very similar.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад

      @@EclipsisTenebris apologies i didn't see the earlier posts, i was just guessing because i trained the ryukyu kabudo, and from what you described its pretty similar. I was just excited to see someone else that might use ryukyu style. And i just recently started trying to encorparte the kusurigama with meteor hammer into my ryukyu i have been beating the crap out of myself with it for like 3 months now lol

  • @Sodalis_
    @Sodalis_ 2 года назад

    Loving the sparring videos+breakdown! It really brings the narrative and explanations to life

  • @Subarashii_Nem
    @Subarashii_Nem 2 года назад +8

    A lot of it seems to be "I take a hit but I hit you at the same time!"
    Which is less than ideal. If you have to get hit to hit, that means it's not good. A crazy weapon, a creative one but not one I'd choose. If I had nothing else than sure but I'd pick a sword or axe or blunt weapon over a sickle every single time! But then I'm not a fighter or athletic so I could be way off. Though I don't see any reason why you'd choose a sickle over a sword if you had the choice.
    Again, if it's all you had it's better than nothing but if you had the choice, I think almost everyone would choose a sword instead.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 2 года назад +7

      taking a hit while also getting hit is somewhat common in sparring and the main reason shields and armor were invented. Parrying with your weapon relies on you correctly guessing what the opponent is going to do and that simply isn't guaranteed.
      If you go with weapons that are absolute garbage at parrying like an axe, a shield is more or less a requirement
      That said yeah the sickle is an inferior weapon but is probably better than most other short weapons and daggers because it's better at controlling the opponent's blade

    • @gustavoalejandro3432
      @gustavoalejandro3432 2 года назад +3

      i think it would be more useful in indoor combat, its a small weapon wich can be hidden in close space, like the wakizashi (sorry for my english)

    • @GameTimeWhy
      @GameTimeWhy 2 года назад

      @@gustavoalejandro3432 you're English is good!

  • @felixheitzer2262
    @felixheitzer2262 2 года назад

    Thank you for giving us more sickle vids. I really think that of the more "outlandish" weapons/ the ones that would have been derived from tools, its one of the more feasable ones. Therefore studying their usabillity and effektiveness makes a lot of sense.

  • @kurage_medusa
    @kurage_medusa 2 года назад +3

    When dual wielding sickles, would holding one sickle in reverse grip (similar to ice-pick grip on a dagger) make a lot of the mid to low blocks easier? That could be part of the reason for japanese kama reverse-grip techniques

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад

      Yes. But there is no universal grip that you maintain, using sickles, kama, or kusurigama you should be changing your grip to suit each individual strike or parry, there really isnt a great way to block with sickles your best option is to bind and counter or parry then riposte to either the throat or stomach but as soon as the riposte bites you slash outward for maximum damage. But If you land a good bind on an opponent with only one weapon while using sickles you have the opportunity to end it right there.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад

      And parries although possible with sickles are ill advised and very difficult i have a total of 8 years training with kamas between being taught and just independant practice and scrimmage and I will go for a bind 10/10 before i even think about parrying because when you parry with a sickle the length of your blade means that by the time they roll off your parry they are literally one foot from your face or vitals (less with kamas) and can just immediately slash you unless you have superhuman rexflexes and manage to reset and parry again within a window of about 3 seconds.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад

      But the reverse grip kama techniques are all about free range of motion it gives you the option to feint roll and turn while slashing and suprisingly suddenly at that

    • @Skallagrim
      @Skallagrim  2 года назад

      I don't see any benefit of holding a sickle / kama in reverse grip. You're shortening your reach *even more* while also exposing your hand more.

    • @rocconatale9503
      @rocconatale9503 2 года назад

      @@Skallagrim reverse grip is common both in sickle and kama both for defense as well as powerstrikes. And when using kamas specifically there is a lot more movement, tumbling, spinning attacks and the like, reverse grip ensures you cant stab yourself while you do these. And to add grip shouldnt be universal with any small arms your grip changes depending on your action.

  • @Phil-S8
    @Phil-S8 2 года назад

    Awesome breakdown
    Would love to see more like this

  • @romerus6087
    @romerus6087 2 года назад +3

    Can't a sword just overpower those tiny sickles?
    I mean, it seens that a proper sword would have enough force to push those sickles even when parried, making contact with the body.
    Of course I have no idea of how this works, i'm just speculating.
    EDIT:
    haha, never comment before watching the whole video. Got my answer at 11:00.

  • @brungrisatre5968
    @brungrisatre5968 2 года назад

    I loved the video and seeing the sickles in action. Even if they're not an ideal weapon, it's still a joy to watch.
    Thanks Skall!

  • @droolhd
    @droolhd 2 года назад

    Great insights, I really love these types of videos even though reviews are nice too.

  • @trychydts
    @trychydts 2 года назад

    I love these in-depth analysis.

  • @asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
    @asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 2 года назад

    The slow mo definitely shows how flexible nylon wasters are! Good for safety but also why cross training with different practice weapons is good. Feders, wood & nylon wasters all behave differently but mom behaves exactly like the real thing

  • @jacobgrossman794
    @jacobgrossman794 2 года назад

    Boosting the algorithm, I love your content skal, you should do a video on different types of shields!

  • @laason1091
    @laason1091 2 года назад

    These sickle videos have been really great, my favorite type of content on your channel. More more more

  • @temushin
    @temushin 2 года назад

    These are the really important questions that need answers. Totally on-board for this content.

  • @scottmacgregor3444
    @scottmacgregor3444 2 года назад

    Looks like you had some fun experimental sparring. Good on you.

  • @A_Medieval_Shadow
    @A_Medieval_Shadow 2 года назад

    The video where each step is stopped and shows what is happening right there is very neat

  • @icedragongamemaster6797
    @icedragongamemaster6797 9 месяцев назад +1

    This video is sick...le. Anyway double sickles look cool but I will choose the reach of a longsword anytime.

  • @oakashthornman7834
    @oakashthornman7834 2 года назад

    This is what I love from you Skall, keep it up!

  • @shadowdwellerm3113
    @shadowdwellerm3113 2 года назад +1

    Im soo glad you decided to continue experimenting with the sickle!!! i very much enjoyed this video as well! id be curious to find out how sickles would be against short or long axes or a pair of hatchets?? like two farmers having a disagreement, if mite work or not?? it would be amazing if someone could make you a pair of sickles with hand guards to see if that would make much of a difference , obviously reach would still be an issue against those longer weapons, it would also be interesting to see if a bit of longer handle would make any difference to the reach of the sickle?? but not scythe length or to hear your thoughts on if it would make a difference!! keep up the great work! truly appreciate the efforts that you put into your videos!

  • @Comet-Man3015
    @Comet-Man3015 Год назад +2

    I guess Death's advantage is his bigger than Puss in boots and his sword

  • @sivelti3914
    @sivelti3914 2 года назад

    This was interesting. I liked that this video illustrated the reach advantage well, since in this video I could really see it in action.

  • @alone4156
    @alone4156 Год назад

    Last one, I promise for now, your channel is the first one I look for when I turn my Smart TV on my friend

  • @Cold-Blooded-Jay
    @Cold-Blooded-Jay 2 года назад

    The sickle just looks awesome. When you land a hit, it's like a preying mantis grabbing a grasshopper.

  • @lolaldanee2743
    @lolaldanee2743 2 года назад

    The sparring footage is really good quality, respect, Sir!

  • @zacharyharwell351
    @zacharyharwell351 2 года назад

    Just from watching the sparring, a Kama design with a D-shaped handguard and some short nails on the sides would seem to be a good set up:
    - The projection of the blade further away from the grip should assist in snagging the blade and the limbs of the opponent (though may require a technique adjustment)
    - You maintain a similar edge-length, though it is more straight (and perpendicular), than truly semi-circular
    - It allows an easier time with a "stab parry" due to the longer, straighter edge (For clarification, I refer to stabbing with the spine of the blade toward the angle of attack, much like trying to parry with the point of a pollaxe/halberd or axe)
    - The D-Shaped guard provides total frontal protection while also providing support for "ripping" type slices (yanking the blade through the target) and disallowing you to disarm yourself
    - the side nails (think like a Kriegsmesser) provide for some protection on the side of the hand, at least from sliding down the haft of the Kama style weapon.
    Thoughts on this?
    Note: Alternatively for the guard, you could have a somewhat narrower disk/Tsuba style guard that has a similar knuckle guard attachment for a very similar effect

  • @ColArana
    @ColArana 2 года назад

    Really nice analysis, and it's great to see your sparring footage!

  • @shaidrim
    @shaidrim 2 года назад

    Nice vid as always. Like the double pov.

  • @Mepholar
    @Mepholar 2 года назад

    Very fun to watch. Still feels like there is potential to the grapple play of the sickle, but pursuing it feels like a fun novelty.
    I understand short blade vs short blade isn’t your main pursuit but would watch it any time you post more sparring. There is a frenetic energy to it thats momentum + technique, whereas longer reach weapons rarely showcase the momentum.
    Would love to see a longer handled sickle with a hand guard. Not to mention if there are any hooked swords with edge on the inside.
    If you have already made a video of such swords would be great segue to link/ thumbnail.

  • @SuperOtter13
    @SuperOtter13 2 года назад

    I love this kind of content. Fascinating weapon. Thank you for putting this all together for us.
    Cheers!

  • @gigaslave
    @gigaslave 2 года назад

    This looks like the kind of fighting style Sly Cooper would use with his sickle-like cane.

  • @ScarecrowsSwords
    @ScarecrowsSwords 2 года назад

    That was awesome!! Love the content and super glad to see you guys in action!!

  • @Ryan-wm7wt
    @Ryan-wm7wt 2 года назад +1

    You could adopt a lower fighting stance to compensate for the shorter weapon to defend from leg attacks. Though the average farmer would likely not know advanced combat stances and a knight or dedicated soldier would likely just use a better weapon lol. Great video Skallagrim.

  • @here_bedragons
    @here_bedragons 2 года назад

    I really liked this video and the one before it. Really opened up some ideas, while keeping in mind the drawbacks =)

  • @simoneriksson8329
    @simoneriksson8329 2 года назад

    Cool video! The sickle faired better than I would have guessed!

  • @aspenlord1991
    @aspenlord1991 2 года назад

    Something I enjoyed from the first video was the theory before the sparring. I don’t see a lot of training against compliant opponents on YT and the segment where the two of you were demonstrating the blocks was cool.

  • @Zarkonem
    @Zarkonem 2 года назад

    These are my favorite kinds of videos you do. Keep up the good work Skall!

  • @M.M.83-U
    @M.M.83-U 2 года назад

    This is ultra fun and very interesting at the same time, great work!

  • @ProcyonDei
    @ProcyonDei 2 года назад

    Okay, that intro caught me off guard, thanks 🤣

  • @GaiusIncognitus
    @GaiusIncognitus 2 года назад

    DUDE! Perfect! This video is absolutely perfect. I love the thoroughness of your testing. I'm glad you show 1st person cam first for the experience, then the 3rd person cam for the explanation. I'm happy you had the text explanations of which hits were effective or not. I even like that you gave the simple answer right at the beginning of the video so people without the patience can still get the satisfaction.
    I think a PART 3 is due in which you pair the sickle with a variety of weapons and see what the most effective combination would be. Dual sickle? Sickle and straight blade? sickle and axe??
    When you find that ideal combo, train with it for a couple weeks and try to entrench the techniques for dual short-range fighting with that combo. It could be a cool part 4 to revisit the fight after training.
    Seriously, you could make like 60% of your future uploads be this kind of testing weapon(s) against weapon(s). And then doing a sequence of training with them and then doing a rematch. I would watch every one of those.

  • @legiolegat2871
    @legiolegat2871 2 года назад

    Character concept: Experienced travelling merchant, dual-wielding sharpened dollar signs.

  • @jerrydne2912
    @jerrydne2912 2 года назад

    Some of the shots are like, "I've got it, I'll bind the sword with my torso! He'll never see it coming!"

  • @yaoshan5069
    @yaoshan5069 2 года назад

    Love the content lately keep it up skal

  • @jamesmcalear6433
    @jamesmcalear6433 2 года назад

    Kali practitioner here, we train using a pair of shorter blades all the time, including the sickle like karambit, and the can be very effective. You really have to factor environment and intended target into it though. Longer blades will always have definite advantage in large open areas, but throw them into the dense jungle, or tight back alleys and the equation changes a bit. Similarly the unholy heat of the Phillipines most of you opponents aren't even going to be wearing heavy clothing increasing the lethality of even glancing blows.
    But if you were in an open field in northern Europe where even unarmored opponents will be wearing a heavy coat?
    Different tools for different tasks.
    (also dual wielding effectively really requires running a lot of drills to get both your hands used to working together)

  • @angelramirez936
    @angelramirez936 2 года назад

    I think combining a sickle with that parrying dagger you showed would be excellent. Turn that sickle virtually into a catcher's mitt for edged weapons!

  • @steevemartial4084
    @steevemartial4084 2 года назад

    Very cool video. Love this format.

  • @andrewhinson4323
    @andrewhinson4323 2 года назад +1

    Your shirt has more production value than armor pieces in Rings of Power XD

  • @eainjones9509
    @eainjones9509 2 года назад

    I was working on a tabletop with some mechanics based on more realistic melee combat. You describing the manuals suggesting you wait for the opponent to approach when you're wielding a shorter weapon inspired me!

  • @alone4156
    @alone4156 Год назад

    Skallagrim, I haven't been watching your channel for over 5 years, and your content is amazingly badass. Believe it or not I actually used a f****** copy of the God damn Sean Connery White dragon katana that I got when I was 16, just had it lying around and some guy try to jump through my screen open window. I grab the white plasticy dragon sword handle and put the blade to his chest as my friend jumped out of his chair and told the guy that he was f****** trespassing into jump the f*** out. Those were my exact words. He proceeded to grab the blade with both of his hands Palms Under the Blade obviously turned all of his weight and try to pull it out of my f****** grasp. I then turn the blade upward shifted my weight to whatever shoulder and sliced upward and and forward as f*** and the guy needed stitches. I didn't get any trouble because the apartment manager came over to investigate and basically he said look I'm going to charge you for the busted window blinds and I'm going to make sure that kid doesn't get arrested. And I'll make sure he never comes by here again. Smart guy. Mr skallagim. I have appreciated your channel for a long time and I would like to give you my personal email so that if you want I can draw you some customized artwork for your Channel. I am an artist in three different ways my friend. If I could say this. Please get back to me and I will send you my personal phone number or email address. Have a good night and thank you for everything you've done here on the RUclipss