Shortly before this scene, Jeremy Irons has a remarkable line: "We all have our time machines, don't we? Those who bring us back are memories, those who carry us forward are dreams ..." - Fantastic!
@Eddy Nguyen Correct, although it isn't in the book; it's in another of his writings, "New Worlds For Old." I wonder how he'd feel about those words being given to a villain to say.
He just... made that guy hang there by his throat for probably weeks, starving to death. Imagine being stuck to something for weeks. That was an even more horrific death than it looked.
Glenn Hayes Yeah, but what I mean is imagine you're the guy hanging there... it would be weeks before you'd die, maybe, depending on how often his species needs water.
Not entirely true. The Ubermorlock states that he's only one of many "controllers". Assumedly 1 or more for each group of Morlocks and Eloi (humans) around the world. By killing this one, only those Morlocks in the local areas would be released from control though, so in that you're correct. Sufficed to say, Alex has just doomed the local human populace to being mercilessly hunted and killed by any and all Morlocks in the area. He's certainly no "hero" of the story.
@@TopRivers And how do we know that? Maybe some were out hunting? Maybe another pack and its cerebral realised that this one was dead and took over the territory, moving in... We just don't know... But we DO know, thanks to the speech, that there are MANY Morlocks around the world, so it's unlikely Alex and the Eloi lasted for too long after the machine was destroyed.
I think people tend to forget , if he used to the time machine to go forward and kill the morrlock by keeping him outside of the orb, than at least once , emma would have starved or been eaten. I mean he does go back and save her but in one timeline she dies a rather agonizing death.
Time Machine was a bit complex in how time worked. Apparently depending on the theory if you can create a time machine, it will only work from the moment of its activating or concept and going forward. Farnsworth Time Machine from Futurama played with this idea. The movie of course followed the much more looser variant that time travel into the past was possible but there was a catch. The time machine was created after the death of his fiance, Indeed it was created as a response to her death. Had he gotten married to her or if she hadn't died its unlikely the Time Machine would have been created. Another factor was that regardless of his actions in going back in time his fiance would still die in some way and this is the result of the universe and timeline avoiding a paradox and insuring the timeline creates the time machine, in order for the universe to not suffer a paradox i believe anything outside of situation however was able to be changed or at least modified and future events can be changed at will. but anything that changed or modified significant change to the creation of Time Machine likely self corrected itself. Interestingly Back to Future also played with this but on a darker level. Marty's interactions in the past had no bearing on the creation of the time machine as Doc points out the creation of the time machine was when he came up with the flux capacitor the existence of it itself in 1955 mearly just solidified it. What happened however was that Marty's interaction with his families history affected his existence and not the time machine as a result the universe began to correct that issue by erasing him out of existence so he had to correct his own mistake. Back to the Future 2 with the issue of Time travel being more than simply rewinding time but alternating and creating whole new timelines and the concept of possible paradox if a time traveler encountered them-self in a past event. BTTF 3 was too far in the past to directly change anything to the timeline and as stated before had no bearing to the creation of the time machine. Which brings up a scarier idea. What happened to Alexander's past double in the movie?. I believe that in order for time to correct any errors it deletes his alternate self at least in the events that transpired to create the machine as he's temporally similar to his alternate self. As soon as he leaves the universe either corrects the mistake or he has to remain in that timeline until the machine allows him to leave. likely as a result of him being unable to exist in 2 places at once as such a event would cause a paradox. I believe going further into the past would likely result in nothing unless he did something that effected his family line.
I have to give MAJOR props to the cameraman for having the sheer willpower and patience to be able to live MILLIONS of years just to record this one scene. Absolutely amazing!
Jeremy irons character got a bad deal here. he was courteous and answered all his questions and above all else gave him back his time machine and watch. did not deserve the death he got. guy pearce should have taken his time machine and went and had a fun life on a time travelling adventure
hollywood wanted its cooky cutter ending. they obviously wanted to go the more ambiguous moral quandry along the lines of "if you could only eat cattle, and you soon discover that the cattle is just as intelligent as humans just cant speak, would you still eat or starve yourself to death?" sort of route, but had to have some kind of Hollywood ending.
This movie portrayed the time traveler with the egocentric judgement, and if it did not fit his world view, well, he used violence. The real villain here is the time traveler.
So as far as I can see no one on here has discussed the real issue. What did the head morlock see while hanging outside of the time bubble? If the time machine was traveling as fast forward as it could, he would have been hanging there for a thousand years before he died. Was he looking into the bubble the entire time? Could he see inside the bubble at all or did it disappear and leave him hanging in mid air with no arms in a dark cave? Did his arms inside the bubble help him to live longer? These are questions that all need discussing!
RetroGamerAaron I agree but wouldn't his arms, since they are still in the bubble cause for him to still see Alex? Wouldn't there be a little time travel transference from arm to body allowing him to see?
Ben Revermann Perhaps when the time machine is traveling, anything that is still in contact with it still is apart of the machine, like when Alex grabs the necklace outside of that time bubble, he isn't protected by the time machine, both the necklace and his hand age at the speed of the rest of universe. Only when he lets go of the necklace does he see the necklace age and then suddenly disappear (most likely, someone found it). Without being attached to the machine, the necklace perhaps reverts back into the time stream with the rest of the universe, like suddenly appearing like when Alex returns to save Mara. Now, the head morlock, would still be aware of the machine and Alex because he is still apart of the machine, only part of him is outside with the rest of the universe still traveling through time, his reaction time would be the same as if he were inside the machine, still alive until he aged to point of becoming dust.
I noticed, also that the metal on the morlock's shoulders rusted as he died which would further support your claim. I do have a question however, when he catches the necklace it seems to pull against him. I know that they probably did this to show what happens when you go outside the bubble but would there be extra pull or was it just to teach us something?
I wouldn't even consider him a villain. In this scene, Alexander is the instigator, not to mention he murders the über morlock. The über morlock treated Alexander with general politeness, answered his question, and would have let Alexander leave in his time machine.
@@jamesmackinnon1754 The Uber Morlock was a genocidal cannibal. It doesn't matter how polite he acted. And do you *really* think he'd have just let Alex go? Really?
So the head Morlock basically lets this guy live and leave even though he can have his minions kill and eat him easily. And the guy repays him by starting a fistfight and killing him lol
Alexander represents the common man in the movie. (Despite being a professor of Mathematics and time machine inventor. Clearly, he wouldn't think like the common man in reality, most likely anyway.) So he must win or the viewing public would be cross. I wouldn't care what the public think. I'd have written another scene at the end where we realise that it was an illusion created by the Uber Morlok. He's vastly more intelligent than Alexander, he wouldn't let this happen. You can always expect those with lower intellect to be violent.
Although I liked it, I wasn't overly impressed by this movie back then, and admittedly the original set a pretty high bar. But compared to movies these days, this one was a freakin' masterpiece!
@Marian Szewczyk. Forgive my super late response bro, but I had the privilege of seeing this when it came out. I was impressed with this movie then as I am now. .... and it's gotten better with age. Especially compared to these movies today with the dominance of these cheesy MCU (Marvel Comic Universe) movies, remakes, and others who some are saying promoting a "woke" agenda.
All movies in the 2020s pretty much stuck. Movie theaters are empty, streaming services are losing their customer base. I pretty much watch reruns and movie made b4 2016. Soon I'll be going back to books.
No, he would disappear from the perspective of Alexander leaving just his hands, and the time machine would disappear from the perspective of the murlock taking his hands. It doesn't really make sense what happened. He would have just fallen off after a few days maybe because no circulation to his hands.
He wouldn’t disappear because the time machine isn’t moving through space. Only through time (a physical impossibility without being near a source of tremendous gravity like a black hole but will suspend disbelief for the sake of the discussion) What would happen is essentially what you see in the film. There would be 2 distinct perspectives of the passage of time from the 2 observers as time is relative. As we see from Alexander’s perspective, it would look as you see it, everything would appear to be moving incredibly fast outside of the sphere. From the Morlocks perspective. Everything within the temporal sphere would be moving incredibly slowly. In fact, judging by the speed at which time was moving outside of the sphere, everything in the sphere would have appeared to be completely still from an observer outside of it. It would truly be an agonising way to go. He would be unable to move his hands or loosen his grip, as any signals being transmitted from the brain to his hands would instantly slow down to the speed time travels within the sphere, meaning from the morlocks perspective, it could be years before a single signal from a neuron reaches the tips of his fingers. He would starve to death. Immobilised. Incapable of doing anything to prevent his fate, yet fully aware of it. It’s a major plot hole of the film. As if the machine is stationary, from any outside observer, they would see an immortal man sitting within this strange device. People would notice a man sitting still for hundreds of years and not dying. He would become a curiosity, a worldwide sensation and would likely have a museum built around him for people to watch “The Undying Time Traveler!”
@@IIAnaxiezzII Well strictly speaking Alexander and his machine would be annihilated by the accumulated radiation of years hitting him in seconds and murlock would only be able to see Alexander and his hands in ultra long wavelength radio waves.
I suppose I'm going to be the "devil's advocate" here but it seems to me like the Uber Morlock trusted him and treated him with an extreme courtesy only for him to repay the favor with violence. And really, who is he to argue with 800,000 years of evolution? Asking the Morlocks to stop eating the Eloi would be like asking a cat to stop eating mice. I guess we can sympathize with the Eloi because we see ourselves in them, but the truth is the Morlocks are just as human as the Eloi as they both come from the same ancestors. The modern versions of the story gloss over this and make the Eloi far more human than they originally were and obscure the real reasons for the divergence.
wolfpax22 Who is he to question 800K years of evolution? Just your average human really, Humanity does it all the time, destroy nature, introduce indigen species to new environments, create new breeds to suit our needs. Questionning evolution and shoving 'natural' selection up its ass because we can. Yes. A very, very human thing to do. I see his choices of helping the Eloi as a big reflection of seeing the Morlocks humans as having lost all morals, ethics and senses of reasons. Praying on other humans as very unnatural and all. Your comment did make me curious thought, as I've seen the movie, but not read the source material. How were the Eloi originally and what's the real reasons for the divergence? If I may I ask.
Za11oy Well, obvious spoiler alert, but here goes. In the original novel, the Eloi and the Morlocks are descended from different social classes. The Eloi were once the upper classes, served by the lower classes, who evolved into the Morlocks. The Eloi had to do less work and came to increasingly rely on their servants, the Morlocks, to do all of the work for them. Eventually, the Eloi, not needing to take care of themselves or solve problems anymore, degenerated. They became less intelligent, diminutive childlike beings. Like the Morlocks, the Eloi of the novel no longer resemble modern humans. They are smallish beings with large eyes and pointed chins that resemble an underdeveloped child, also in mental capacity. They no longer even speak a proper language and have lost certain complex social behaviors. One Eloi would no longer come to the aid of another in distress. They have no need to feed or clothe themselves and, at first glance, appear to live in a paradise where there is no hunger or poverty or want. Food seems to magically appear on the table overnight even though nobody does any work. The truth is of course that the servants became the masters. The Morlocks, who ran the machines and did all the work that kept things going, eventually evolved to eat the Eloi, raising, caring for, feeding and harvesting them like cattle. This isn't really dealt with in modern treatments of the story because I guess it smacks too much of class warfare and also it removes the Eloi as relatable characters and removes the posibility of a love interest. In the novel, Weena is really more of a curious slow-witted cute companion than a love interest.
wolfpax22 You call it "evolution," but it's really devolution, at least in the novel. You might have an argument as regards the brainless Morlocks and Eloi of the novel; they had become basically animals following instinct rather than intellect, but when you consider the still-sentient Eloi and Morlocks of this version, it becomes quite plain that the Uber-Morlock is evil. That being the case, Alex has a duty to stop him and his kind.
+wolfpax22 Alexander didn't have much of an argument when he said what the Morlocks were doing was a perversion of natural law (because there is no real natural law). He'd have been better off arguing that the sentient Morlocks and the sentient Eloi could have worked together, and while it's easy to miss the Uber-Morlock says that he uses his mental powers to deliberately keep the Eloi passive and docile so that's not their natural state either. The Uber Morlock points to evolution and how they've developed in such a way, which is a valid point. But he ignores how their sentience means they have the capability of overcoming these drives and trying to survive in other ways. Also, the predator Morlocks are fully able to survive in the Sunlight while the Uber-Morlocks can't. So that means the Uber-Morlocks have DELIBERATELY kept them all underground when the others could survive on the surface and thrive there.
ShadowSonic2 There is such a thing as natural law. As for everything else you said, that's what made this movie fall apart; its total disregard for the structure of Wells's book.
I remember that in the audio commentary during the scene where the uber morlock decays into dust, they said that the scene was done as a homage to the part in the original 1960's movie where George watches a morlock decay into a skeleton as he moves forward in time.
They also paid homage to it in Dr Who City of Death (1979) when Julian Glover (Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Game of Thrones etc) traps a scientist in the time field & you watch him age to a skeleton.
Well, I can’t say I expected the algorithm to throw this one at me. I watched this movie when it was in theaters with my parents, thinking it would just be a fun adventure movie when I was about 10 or 11 years old… After it ended, I remember walking out of the theater confused and slightly upset, thinking to myself that it was the first time in my life I had ever seen something for entertainment purposes and that I genuinely didn’t enjoy, as I definitely wasn’t fully able to process what was actually happening during much of the film at that age. Now, fast forward 20 years later, I’m realizing that that moment was probably one of the first times in my life I experienced existential dread, lol. Thanks for the memories, The Time Machine (2002)
I like that he couldnt let go because his brain and hands where in different times, so the signal wouldnt work..good underrated movie..well cast and irons is superb. Look out for the fight scene where one of the hunters gets up sideways off the ground, now thats strong..
He may be the bad guy, but he also has a good and wise way about him. The question is did they had other options to survive other than hunting the surface people.
No, and honestly it looks like an evolutionary dead end. The Morlocks were (or will be?) extremely specialized, with a very specialized diet. Just cut one link and they're done: it can be the food supply, or as the über morlock says, just remove him, and the species is lost. The big difference between humans and Morlocks is that we created our own ecological niche that is the one of the "omni-predator". We are extremely adaptable as a species, even if one human individual would have difficulties surviving in most environments. The Morlocks are just regular, specialized, apex predators, like the Megalodon or the T-Rex. Their evolutionary achievements are impressive, but they are still extremely vulnerable to change. Unless the intellectual Morlocks have the ability to engineer their species, that is. But the specimen we see in the movie seems very resigned to his way of life. (btw, that doesn't mean their species won't evolve further, but the usual pathway of evolution is unspecialized -> overspecialized -> extinct -> specialization of unspecialized species to fill the ecological niche -> repeat).
We saw that in the movies timeline that big dinosaur like reptiles had evolved and were hunted by the Eloi(yes in the books they were herbivores I know) . They could have used them as a livestock instead and they could provide much more meat than the Eloi. So yeah they had other options but they refused to give them a shot because who are they to question years of evolution. Eather way it doest really matter since when the time traveler when forward in time we see that the Morlocks went to the surface killed all the Eloi and the probably starved to death after redering the Earth a baren wasteland, so at the end of the day he and the other ubers(if they really were others) were not capable of keeping the rest of their kind under control indefinitely.
but you can't change the pass remember he had that problem? something else would had blown the moon and caused the same problem. a meteor ? who know's lol
Well, if he returns and try to stop lunar colonisation, now the reason is because he knows about Morloks. So the same problem that with Emma. If he has success, he won't know about Morloks and how could he return and change it?
***** yeah so many possibilities and my theory still stands because we never got to see him try. and we only assumed his gf's pass couldn't be changed just because of the reason for him building the time machine. . let's say he saved his gf. maybe he would had found a diff reason to build the time machine then. thanks for the reply none the less this movie was awesome i liked the morlock guy the way he explained how his actions were neither right or wrong. and sad at the same time lol
If he does that, it could make things worse. The Eloi basically have a paradise earth to live on, with the exception of Morlocks which Alexander just destroyed. If he changed the moon colonization then humans could continue living the same existence and end up destroying the world some other way, such as nuclear war.
This is a movie where I feel there is no true protagonist or antagonist. The time traveler’s archaic thought process showed he was a product of his time. Jeremy Irons’ character was quiet, yet deliberate, and even though the Morlocks hunted - barbarism was also shown by the time traveler. But through no fault of either because there’s 800,000 years of separation between the two.
As soon as Alexander pushes overdrive, the head morlock would see the time bubble almost freeze in time. He would hang there helplessly and die of starvation over weeks while Alexander would hardly have moved and would have seen the entire event occur in seconds from within the bubble.
Imagine Back to the Future 800,000 years to the future especially with this monster being around seeing Marty Mcfly's mind. It would be a great crossover with Jeremy Irons and Michael J. Fox.
@@SyntheticaYT it's not like the morlocks were advanced or worth saving to begin with. They couldn't even evolve to humanity's level, let alone a Type 1 Civilization.
@@guytech7310 That's how it went in the book, anyway. The Time Traveler eventually realized that there were no animals or even birds in the world of 802,701 A.D. That was why the Eloi ate only fruit and the Morlocks ate Eloi.
Still have an interesting question: after killing Jeremy Irons he stops the machine wich shows 635,427,810 years and a rusty colored sky with morlock structures all around. But the question is that if human race previously evolved in only 800,000 years, travelling 600 hundred million more would mean morlocks or even every mammal on earth becoming a whole new life form with different body cells and DNA (If it still exists). Also the atmosphere would change radically and solar increasing radiation would've made living species a lot different, but he still takes a little breake and breaths as if oxygen concentrations were the same as 600 hundred million years before
Yes, that still bothers me! The changes occurring over 600 million years would have been immense. The movie implied the morlocks really didn’t change much (physically and culturally based on the familiar skull structures we saw above ground). After six hundred million years, the morlocks might have died out through natural selection or evolved into something completely unrecognizable (as would the earth itself). Six hundred million years is just unfathomable. I mean, that is a LONG TIME lol. Our closest ancestor 600 million years ago was the size of a speck. The earth has faced mass extinctions and insane changes over the past 600 million years. The writers should have done a smaller time jump if all they wanted to do was show the morlocks ruling above ground. Not sure why they wanted to go SO far ahead into future. The morlocks still existing really downplayed the passage of time for me.
Funny how I came to this video, knowing that now scientists say that time is no longer linear, it is a ciricle. The past, present and future are all tied together in a circle.
Technically, what we should see is him die of dehydration in a flash as soon as the machine starts moving forward in time again, then rot or mummify. He's unable to let go because his hands are inside the time field. Alternatively, he should have just vanished with his hands remaining on Hartdegen's throat because they were ripped off his arms aeons ago. He'd just bleed out outside the time field.
killing him was very pointless. many have said it, and i very much agree. from our current morals, he could be considered a villain. but in that world, moral has changed for them. unfortunately for the morlock, he met someone with morals from the past that doesn't accept his, so he got killed. then again.. he could have just time travel again back into his time. why bother killing him.
I am fascinated with time travel. I told my psychologist, during his morning rounds, that I was close to a break through. He smiled and checked my restrains
I think what would've actually happened here is that the Uber Morlocks arms would immediately be cut off by the time machine, and he would now be stuck in another time missing his arms. Likewise if the inventor stuck his hand outside the field, that hand would immediately be cut off because it would get stuck in a specific time while the rest of him travels further in time.
@Natmanprime i can't answer that, because i really can't see how it would make sense that he would be hanging there. He's outside of the field so he should immediately dissapear because he would now be in another time while his arms traveled further.
@Natmanprime it's not about different parts of the body aging at different rates. It's about one part of the body moving while the rest remains stationary. Just like if they were moving through space rather than time, those arms are gonna be ripped off. Because they are in a different place than the rest of the body. In this case a diffent place in time.
actor Jeremy Irons looks amazing in this movie, it's easy for me to recognize him, but he looks amazing, seeing the face looks like Batman villain caricature of the 80s
No, he experienced his death as quick as it showed because his arms were still in the time machine which meant he was actually still in the future, while at the same time felt himself deteriorating as the rest of his body was being left in the past as time quickly sped up inside the time machine as it showed by his body rapidly aging outside of the machine. That’s why he was blinked a couple times as his body was falling apart. I think he would’ve blinked more than a couple times over the course of hundreds of years
He was letting him leave in peace. Alex should have let things be. Alex has no more right to be offended by what is done 800,000 years in his future, than what was done 40 years in his future (WW2) or in countless instances in his past.
This dude had a whole speech about casts and how they were the smart ones and that they bred others to be the muscle....and I'm pretty sure he just lifted a 180lb man off the ground one-handed.
In the original Time Machine, the Morlocks are strong (at least compared to the Eloi) but sub-intellectual to the point where they do not even have a spoken or written language. The British guy wipes the floor with them single handedly in the fight scene, and they are afraid of fire or anything with light. These Morlocks are definitely a far higher life form, and you almost begin rooting for them to devour ALL of the annoying, stupid Eloi. That way, the nourishment they would receive will allow their physical strength to match their brain power!
Also the morlocks, and Eloi are much much smaller than they are percieved here. The morlocks also don't carry weapons, and have the mental capacity of a 7 year old.
The original? Do you mean the book? And higher life forms don't descend to cannibalism. The Morlocks are subhuman; only the Uber Morlock can think worth a lick.
@@MaskedMan66 no, he means the first movie of the Time Machine. It’s very old, but good though. Search RUclips for the 1960 version if you are curious.
I don’t think it’s that he “trusts” the time traveler, it’s more that his mind is so evolved that he cannot comprehend that the traveler, in his moment of absolute power/choice would make a self-sacrificial decision, choosing the “moral” course of action - because he has evolved for 800,000 years to do the EXACT opposite, to take the more self-sustaining course of action in every scenario, even at the expense of some of his own kind.
There was indication that the Urber Morlock was lonely and the Time Traveler was in a unique position for him to honestly have a chat with a intellectual being from the past that is also your ancestor of your species. It would be a once in a life time opportunity, and the Morlock was for the most part was honest in his answers and provided the Traveler a answer to why the machine failed him in saving his wife.
@Jay Morales Given the Morloc can read his mind and knows the situation of Alex he probably knows killing Alex wont bother the time lime. Alex by traveling forward effectively erased his existence already in the time stream. the only way it can effect him directly is if Alex went back in time and directly changed the events that caused the Morloc time lime thus changing the Morloc by erasing him from existence or changing his reality into something else better or worse. Interesting thing I noticed. If the timemachine is unable to change events that created. by that logic it should also be unable to be used to change events for other users who's past is already set at least major events. Like Alex could potentially change or erase the Morloc timeline, however the Morloc and the Elowie wouldn't be able to as this would cause a paradox even if they used Alex's time machine. I believe its due to the fact that Alex comes from the far past thus to him he's a visitor seeing the future a Future he can change. For them. Its reality thus the past is set in stone and cannot be changed.
Yes. People say the Uber-Morlock was so reasonable and polite that he could have struck a deal. But the UM was in fact just playing with the Time Traveler, learning fast, and was such a fascist that he couldn't have been trusted.
I still have a lot of questions on this scene. He pushed UP on the lever while hanging from it straight down defying gravity? The lever was maxxed out, so he was traveling years at a time such that his rotting corpse was just chilling and struggling that whole time but he didn't starve or die of thirst in the interim?
Wait... lets sum up this scene. He dont like the fact that Murlocks kill and eat Elois so he kills only guy that keep Morlocks from killing every one of Eloi in the matter of few months. Yeah great job time traveler... great job.
If he's so against the Morlocks, wouldnt it be much easier just to go back in time and get rid of them? Seems like an awfully risky way of trying to kill just one!
The Morlock leader treated the time machine inventor graciously and with respect, and protected him from his savage underling Morlocks, and even gave him back his pocket watch and allowed him to depart with his Time Machine. And then how did the time machine inventor repay the Morlock leader? By attacking him and killing him. Seems so unfair and unchivalrous.
I know, I know, the movie sucks and is insulting to the original movie. But there are few good things I like about the movie. 3 last time I counted. 1. The design of the time Machine. I think it looks cooler than the last one. 2. The Eloi's houses in 802,701. Very minor point. 3. This scene, the fight with Jeremy Irons. Say what you like about the movie. On most counts, I agree with you, but those are the things I like
Well, to each their own. I'm not really into old movies myself, The Time Machine being a rare exception. Neither really work for the best time travel movie though. That honor has to go to my all time favourite movie, Back to The Future 3
Although I enjoy the scene with Jeremy Irons as the Morlock leader, I extremely dislike the fact that Alexander attacks and murders him after the Morlock had shown him courtesy and answered his central question on time travel. Alexander never even ASKED the Morlock if he'd free his Eloi girlfriend, which he very well would have. It seemed a downright evil thing to do, considering the Morlock had a very fair point against Alexander that a time traveler had no room to come into some distant era and pass moral judgement on its occupants.
Alexandros Nortune It is an enigma, the Morlock leader and Alexander are one and the same person but from two different times. The Morlock is the 'Alexander' who continues on in pursuit of trying to save his beloved fiancee Emma, who time and time again he tries to save and inevitably fails, only to mess up the time space-time continuum. The result of all of this (well intended interference) is a monstrous future where even the time traveller has had to undergo physical transformation to survive so as to continue in pursuit of his dream. Alexander realises this by the conversation he has with the Morlock leader. Alexander knows that this evil must be stopped, but only by the death of the Morlock leader can this nightmare be ended.
Though the time machine was destroyed, he could always recreate it. I mean, he did manage to make it in the 1890's. He could always make it in the 800,000's.
@@MaskedMan66 mate with the help of that library robot, they together could have surely taught others and got the parts that were necessary. Saying it would be impossible when he managed to LITERALLY travel backwards and forwards through time in 1890 is almost a plot-hole like error.
He is not evil. He is not even a human anymore. He is hunting another species to feed his own which is the rule of nature. One species hunts the other like tigers hunting deers. There is nothing immoral or evil in this.
@@technicalmaster4054 What do you mean "anymore?" He's always been a Morlock; however, Morlocks are human, as we know from the story. And hunting fellow sentients-- indeed, fellow humans-- is cannibalism, and people who do that are evil. There are plenty of animals and plants about.
The Time Traveller should have had the wisdom not to tamper. Who knows what'll happen to that earth now that the morlock head-honcho is dead. He might have saved one life for a short while, but doom countless others.
A bit late but still...there is also a third option : Should I use said time machine at all? Once time machine is used nothing goes as simple single brain human planned. Time travel could be so complex and all that ,i think its impossible for single head to trully control or understand such large concept.Therefore leading to errors and paradoxes and all sort of trouble. So true question when one is in posession of time machine is not Where or past/future but Should I ? engage machine that will set in motion things beyond your understanding and control?
He really messed with a world and ecosystem he had no idea about. Also the evolution of humans took that guy to what he is and to take him out like that was shocking - not even sure how many years passed with him hanging on like that. And doesn't anyone see him stuck there? Can't they do anything? Do they see a "bubble" in space where they can't go?
Stephen Baxter's sequal to the Time Machine "The Timeships" is much better than the original "Time Machine" book. I really wish they would make the Timeships into a movie. In the Timeships book he goes back and forth between the past and future many times in order to prevent all the bad things that happened in the "Time Machine" book. However things get worse with each trip and eventually both the past and the future are totally un-recognizable. The timeships takes into account the more modern theory of multiple timelines and if you change things too much you can't ever return to the original timeline. At one point he is saved by a good Moorlock, at another point there is a time traveling tank and at another point they nuke the dinosaurs. The book ends with him trying to go back to before the big bang. I don't gt why we have made movies of all the old classics but can't seem to make movies of more modern sci fi books.
We can still make movies from original sources. But as you mentioned in your first sentence, H.G. Wells wrote the original. Therefore "The Timeships" is at best an homage, no matter how well written. As far as other recent original sci-fi films, please consider "Avatar" as a fine example. But even "Avatar", probably could never have been conceived, if it weren't itself, imagined after over a century of excellent science fiction works, which it is built upon.
So, a few days (hours?) later the other colonies of Morlocks that Irons mentioned will discover what happened. And since all those 'free' Eloi don't belong to anyone any more and they don't need to maintain the population, they'll just harvest the entire lot and divy up the spoils.
How long would he have been hanging out of the time machine for with it being at full power? It seemed like seconds but it must have been years he was just left hanging there till he reduced to nothing over decades or centuries
Shortly before this scene, Jeremy Irons has a remarkable line: "We all have our time machines, don't we? Those who bring us back are memories, those who carry us forward are dreams ..." - Fantastic!
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9th doctor: Fantastic
The quote is by H.G. Wells, the author of the book The Time Machine
@Eddy Nguyen Correct, although it isn't in the book; it's in another of his writings, "New Worlds For Old." I wonder how he'd feel about those words being given to a villain to say.
And those than bind us to the present is procrastination.
He just... made that guy hang there by his throat for probably weeks, starving to death. Imagine being stuck to something for weeks. That was an even more horrific death than it looked.
weeks more like thousands of years that time machine moves fast
Glenn Hayes Yeah, but what I mean is imagine you're the guy hanging there... it would be weeks before you'd die, maybe, depending on how often his species needs water.
+pon33villin Imagine being some guy going by and seeing someone dangling in mid-air screaming.
and without hands.
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So by killing the head Morlock he killed the only thing stopping the other Morlocks from killing everything.
No, each head controls a different group. The morlocks under his control are all killed when the machine blows up.
Not entirely true. The Ubermorlock states that he's only one of many "controllers". Assumedly 1 or more for each group of Morlocks and Eloi (humans) around the world. By killing this one, only those Morlocks in the local areas would be released from control though, so in that you're correct.
Sufficed to say, Alex has just doomed the local human populace to being mercilessly hunted and killed by any and all Morlocks in the area. He's certainly no "hero" of the story.
@@BYERE all those morlocks died dude via the time machine blast
@@TopRivers And how do we know that? Maybe some were out hunting? Maybe another pack and its cerebral realised that this one was dead and took over the territory, moving in... We just don't know...
But we DO know, thanks to the speech, that there are MANY Morlocks around the world, so it's unlikely Alex and the Eloi lasted for too long after the machine was destroyed.
@@BYERE homie built a time machine he can figure out a way to beat the morlocks. Have faith haha
I think people tend to forget , if he used to the time machine to go forward and kill the morrlock by keeping him outside of the orb, than at least once , emma would have starved or been eaten. I mean he does go back and save her but in one timeline she dies a rather agonizing death.
Mara, not emma.
And yet he could save her but not his wife the irony by going back in time.
@@jamesluckhurst4798 This is why common people can't grasp time travel theories, they are too complex for them to understand.
Time Machine was a bit complex in how time worked. Apparently depending on the theory if you can create a time machine, it will only work from the moment of its activating or concept and going forward. Farnsworth Time Machine from Futurama played with this idea. The movie of course followed the much more looser variant that time travel into the past was possible but there was a catch. The time machine was created after the death of his fiance, Indeed it was created as a response to her death. Had he gotten married to her or if she hadn't died its unlikely the Time Machine would have been created. Another factor was that regardless of his actions in going back in time his fiance would still die in some way and this is the result of the universe and timeline avoiding a paradox and insuring the timeline creates the time machine, in order for the universe to not suffer a paradox i believe anything outside of situation however was able to be changed or at least modified and future events can be changed at will. but anything that changed or modified significant change to the creation of Time Machine likely self corrected itself. Interestingly Back to Future also played with this but on a darker level. Marty's interactions in the past had no bearing on the creation of the time machine as Doc points out the creation of the time machine was when he came up with the flux capacitor the existence of it itself in 1955 mearly just solidified it. What happened however was that Marty's interaction with his families history affected his existence and not the time machine as a result the universe began to correct that issue by erasing him out of existence so he had to correct his own mistake. Back to the Future 2 with the issue of Time travel being more than simply rewinding time but alternating and creating whole new timelines and the concept of possible paradox if a time traveler encountered them-self in a past event. BTTF 3 was too far in the past to directly change anything to the timeline and as stated before had no bearing to the creation of the time machine. Which brings up a scarier idea. What happened to Alexander's past double in the movie?. I believe that in order for time to correct any errors it deletes his alternate self at least in the events that transpired to create the machine as he's temporally similar to his alternate self. As soon as he leaves the universe either corrects the mistake or he has to remain in that timeline until the machine allows him to leave. likely as a result of him being unable to exist in 2 places at once as such a event would cause a paradox. I believe going further into the past would likely result in nothing unless he did something that effected his family line.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent You deserved a thumbs up, i really enjoy reading your opinion, very interesting.
He should have saved those hands and sold them on ebay.
Well you didnt with Richter!
To what purpose?
One problem... eBay didn't exist yet for him in his time, and hadn't existed for many thousand years in that time.
Berenvonbaggins eBay existed in ‘02
@@jakep1979 Dude, no one gets the reference... What the heck.
I have to give MAJOR props to the cameraman for having the sheer willpower and patience to be able to live MILLIONS of years just to record this one scene. Absolutely amazing!
Hahahaha clever
800,000 years. Not millions....
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Jeremy irons character got a bad deal here. he was courteous and answered all his questions and above all else gave him back his time machine and watch. did not deserve the death he got. guy pearce should have taken his time machine and went and had a fun life on a time travelling adventure
hollywood wanted its cooky cutter ending. they obviously wanted to go the more ambiguous moral quandry along the lines of "if you could only eat cattle, and you soon discover that the cattle is just as intelligent as humans just cant speak, would you still eat or starve yourself to death?" sort of route, but had to have some kind of Hollywood ending.
@@CloudHiro God damn it.
CloudHiro they were so close to a thought provoking ending. And then they threw it away.
This movie portrayed the time traveler with the egocentric judgement, and if it did not fit his world view, well, he used violence. The real villain here is the time traveler.
He was a genocidal cannibal. He deserved worse than what he got.
800000 years of evolution and he still uses a knife.
Veloziraptor111 Brother, did you miss the point of the story!
'Twas but a joke.
lol! you cant kill a classic! lol!
well, thy figure they wrote it so heck......hahahaha
The knife is timeless. Been around for thousands of years.
So as far as I can see no one on here has discussed the real issue. What did the head morlock see while hanging outside of the time bubble? If the time machine was traveling as fast forward as it could, he would have been hanging there for a thousand years before he died. Was he looking into the bubble the entire time? Could he see inside the bubble at all or did it disappear and leave him hanging in mid air with no arms in a dark cave? Did his arms inside the bubble help him to live longer? These are questions that all need discussing!
great questions! I too would agree on would he have just stared at the bubble for how long haha.. which also couldn't be seen surely.
Or, since his arms were in the bubble could he see it?
RetroGamerAaron I agree but wouldn't his arms, since they are still in the bubble cause for him to still see Alex? Wouldn't there be a little time travel transference from arm to body allowing him to see?
Ben Revermann Perhaps when the time machine is traveling, anything that is still in contact with it still is apart of the machine, like when Alex grabs the necklace outside of that time bubble, he isn't protected by the time machine, both the necklace and his hand age at the speed of the rest of universe. Only when he lets go of the necklace does he see the necklace age and then suddenly disappear (most likely, someone found it). Without being attached to the machine, the necklace perhaps reverts back into the time stream with the rest of the universe, like suddenly appearing like when Alex returns to save Mara. Now, the head morlock, would still be aware of the machine and Alex because he is still apart of the machine, only part of him is outside with the rest of the universe still traveling through time, his reaction time would be the same as if he were inside the machine, still alive until he aged to point of becoming dust.
I noticed, also that the metal on the morlock's shoulders rusted as he died which would further support your claim. I do have a question however, when he catches the necklace it seems to pull against him. I know that they probably did this to show what happens when you go outside the bubble but would there be extra pull or was it just to teach us something?
I love how this movie got creative with this villans death. Forcing the villan to age to death in the fast forward of time is pretty awesome.
So while he was aging hundreds of years, did it seem that long to him? Just dangling there?
I wouldn't even consider him a villain. In this scene, Alexander is the instigator, not to mention he murders the über morlock. The über morlock treated Alexander with general politeness, answered his question, and would have let Alexander leave in his time machine.
@@jamesmackinnon1754 he also controled the others. so now they will destroy the food within a month
@@jamesmackinnon1754 The mugger in the beginning was really polite too..
@@jamesmackinnon1754 The Uber Morlock was a genocidal cannibal. It doesn't matter how polite he acted. And do you *really* think he'd have just let Alex go? Really?
So the head Morlock basically lets this guy live and leave even though he can have his minions kill and eat him easily. And the guy repays him by starting a fistfight and killing him lol
@FuranDuron it has no boundaries
stop doing this man
Alexander represents the common man in the movie. (Despite being a professor of Mathematics and time machine inventor.
Clearly, he wouldn't think like the common man in reality, most likely anyway.)
So he must win or the viewing public would be cross.
I wouldn't care what the public think.
I'd have written another scene at the end where we realise that it was an illusion created by the Uber Morlok.
He's vastly more intelligent than Alexander, he wouldn't let this happen.
You can always expect those with lower intellect to be violent.
@@vincent_hall or you can be highly inteligent and sinister.. Difference is in method of delivery..
He had his girl though
Although I liked it, I wasn't overly impressed by this movie back then, and admittedly the original set a pretty high bar. But compared to movies these days, this one was a freakin' masterpiece!
@Marian Szewczyk. Forgive my super late response bro, but I had the privilege of seeing this when it came out. I was impressed with this movie then as I am now. .... and it's gotten better with age. Especially compared to these movies today with the dominance of these cheesy MCU (Marvel Comic Universe) movies, remakes, and others who some are saying promoting a "woke" agenda.
@@blackolantern5666 The music is phenomenal.
All movies in the 2020s pretty much stuck. Movie theaters are empty, streaming services are losing their customer base. I pretty much watch reruns and movie made b4 2016. Soon I'll be going back to books.
@Bigfriendly1570 that was a great show! Hill street Blues too! Watched them b4 going to my 3rd shift factory job back east!
So if he went in reverse he would turn into a baby Morlock with adult arms?
No. It'd be the same result.
Time was passing normally for the guy hanging but sped up in the time machine.
No, he would disappear from the perspective of Alexander leaving just his hands, and the time machine would disappear from the perspective of the murlock taking his hands.
It doesn't really make sense what happened. He would have just fallen off after a few days maybe because no circulation to his hands.
He wouldn’t disappear because the time machine isn’t moving through space. Only through time (a physical impossibility without being near a source of tremendous gravity like a black hole but will suspend disbelief for the sake of the discussion) What would happen is essentially what you see in the film. There would be 2 distinct perspectives of the passage of time from the 2 observers as time is relative. As we see from Alexander’s perspective, it would look as you see it, everything would appear to be moving incredibly fast outside of the sphere. From the Morlocks perspective. Everything within the temporal sphere would be moving incredibly slowly. In fact, judging by the speed at which time was moving outside of the sphere, everything in the sphere would have appeared to be completely still from an observer outside of it. It would truly be an agonising way to go. He would be unable to move his hands or loosen his grip, as any signals being transmitted from the brain to his hands would instantly slow down to the speed time travels within the sphere, meaning from the morlocks perspective, it could be years before a single signal from a neuron reaches the tips of his fingers. He would starve to death. Immobilised. Incapable of doing anything to prevent his fate, yet fully aware of it. It’s a major plot hole of the film. As if the machine is stationary, from any outside observer, they would see an immortal man sitting within this strange device. People would notice a man sitting still for hundreds of years and not dying. He would become a curiosity, a worldwide sensation and would likely have a museum built around him for people to watch “The Undying Time Traveler!”
@@IIAnaxiezzII Well strictly speaking Alexander and his machine would be annihilated by the accumulated radiation of years hitting him in seconds and murlock would only be able to see Alexander and his hands in ultra long wavelength radio waves.
I suppose I'm going to be the "devil's advocate" here but it seems to me like the Uber Morlock trusted him and treated him with an extreme courtesy only for him to repay the favor with violence. And really, who is he to argue with 800,000 years of evolution? Asking the Morlocks to stop eating the Eloi would be like asking a cat to stop eating mice.
I guess we can sympathize with the Eloi because we see ourselves in them, but the truth is the Morlocks are just as human as the Eloi as they both come from the same ancestors. The modern versions of the story gloss over this and make the Eloi far more human than they originally were and obscure the real reasons for the divergence.
wolfpax22 Who is he to question 800K years of evolution? Just your average human really, Humanity does it all the time, destroy nature, introduce indigen species to new environments, create new breeds to suit our needs. Questionning evolution and shoving 'natural' selection up its ass because we can. Yes. A very, very human thing to do.
I see his choices of helping the Eloi as a big reflection of seeing the Morlocks humans as having lost all morals, ethics and senses of reasons. Praying on other humans as very unnatural and all.
Your comment did make me curious thought, as I've seen the movie, but not read the source material. How were the Eloi originally and what's the real reasons for the divergence? If I may I ask.
Za11oy Well, obvious spoiler alert, but here goes.
In the original novel, the Eloi and the Morlocks are descended from different social classes. The Eloi were once the upper classes, served by the lower classes, who evolved into the Morlocks. The Eloi had to do less work and came to increasingly rely on their servants, the Morlocks, to do all of the work for them. Eventually, the Eloi, not needing to take care of themselves or solve problems anymore, degenerated. They became less intelligent, diminutive childlike beings. Like the Morlocks, the Eloi of the novel no longer resemble modern humans.
They are smallish beings with large eyes and pointed chins that resemble an underdeveloped child, also in mental capacity. They no longer even speak a proper language and have lost certain complex social behaviors. One Eloi would no longer come to the aid of another in distress. They have no need to feed or clothe themselves and, at first glance, appear to live in a paradise where there is no hunger or poverty or want. Food seems to magically appear on the table overnight even though nobody does any work.
The truth is of course that the servants became the masters. The Morlocks, who ran the machines and did all the work that kept things going, eventually evolved to eat the Eloi, raising, caring for, feeding and harvesting them like cattle.
This isn't really dealt with in modern treatments of the story because I guess it smacks too much of class warfare and also it removes the Eloi as relatable characters and removes the posibility of a love interest. In the novel, Weena is really more of a curious slow-witted cute companion than a love interest.
wolfpax22 You call it "evolution," but it's really devolution, at least in the novel.
You might have an argument as regards the brainless Morlocks and Eloi of the novel; they had become basically animals following instinct rather than intellect, but when you consider the still-sentient Eloi and Morlocks of this version, it becomes quite plain that the Uber-Morlock is evil.
That being the case, Alex has a duty to stop him and his kind.
+wolfpax22 Alexander didn't have much of an argument when he said what the Morlocks were doing was a perversion of natural law (because there is no real natural law). He'd have been better off arguing that the sentient Morlocks and the sentient Eloi could have worked together, and while it's easy to miss the Uber-Morlock says that he uses his mental powers to deliberately keep the Eloi passive and docile so that's not their natural state either.
The Uber Morlock points to evolution and how they've developed in such a way, which is a valid point. But he ignores how their sentience means they have the capability of overcoming these drives and trying to survive in other ways.
Also, the predator Morlocks are fully able to survive in the Sunlight while the Uber-Morlocks can't. So that means the Uber-Morlocks have DELIBERATELY kept them all underground when the others could survive on the surface and thrive there.
ShadowSonic2
There is such a thing as natural law.
As for everything else you said, that's what made this movie fall apart; its total disregard for the structure of Wells's book.
For being part of the cerebral caste, that albino guy sure can fight.
+TanRu Nomad
He must work out.
The others wouldn't respect him otherwise.
Remember guys, fighting is 90% mental
His enemy was a simple universitary teacher...
@Sherazade Mayers because it is an inconsistency
This movie is vastly underrated. Such a good one.
I remember that in the audio commentary during the scene where the uber morlock decays into dust, they said that the scene was done as a homage to the part in the original 1960's movie where George watches a morlock decay into a skeleton as he moves forward in time.
They also paid homage to it in Dr Who City of Death (1979) when Julian Glover (Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Game of Thrones etc) traps a scientist in the time field & you watch him age to a skeleton.
Also in the episode of red dwarf called the inquisitor as well
Props to him for holding on for thousands of years till his death!
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I guess you could say that was...
(puts on sunglasses)
... 'A Farewell to Arms'!
YEEEAAAH!
CharlesXavier Ain't nobody got time for dat
LMAO
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@@heckinmemes6430 Who?
Edit: Wait, I got it.
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Well, I can’t say I expected the algorithm to throw this one at me. I watched this movie when it was in theaters with my parents, thinking it would just be a fun adventure movie when I was about 10 or 11 years old… After it ended, I remember walking out of the theater confused and slightly upset, thinking to myself that it was the first time in my life I had ever seen something for entertainment purposes and that I genuinely didn’t enjoy, as I definitely wasn’t fully able to process what was actually happening during much of the film at that age. Now, fast forward 20 years later, I’m realizing that that moment was probably one of the first times in my life I experienced existential dread, lol. Thanks for the memories, The Time Machine (2002)
Jeremy Irons RULES! He should have had more screen time in this AMAZING movie. Go Time Machine :-)
I watched an interview with Jeremy and he said he aimed to play the Morlock as intelligent and arrogant and at the same time sadistic. He succeeded.
I like that he couldnt let go because his brain and hands where in different times, so the signal wouldnt work..good underrated movie..well cast and irons is superb. Look out for the fight scene where one of the hunters gets up sideways off the ground, now thats strong..
Well that escalated quickly.
Ken and for no reason at all.
@@lukereviewscriterion8062 Yeah, right, a "nice" genocidal cannibal. On your bike, mate.
Actually, it took about a couple hundred thousand years.
Time Wounds All Heels.
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with enough beer in me, your post seems perfectly fine
Lol
He may be the bad guy, but he also has a good and wise way about him. The question is did they had other options to survive other than hunting the surface people.
No, and honestly it looks like an evolutionary dead end. The Morlocks were (or will be?) extremely specialized, with a very specialized diet. Just cut one link and they're done: it can be the food supply, or as the über morlock says, just remove him, and the species is lost.
The big difference between humans and Morlocks is that we created our own ecological niche that is the one of the "omni-predator". We are extremely adaptable as a species, even if one human individual would have difficulties surviving in most environments. The Morlocks are just regular, specialized, apex predators, like the Megalodon or the T-Rex. Their evolutionary achievements are impressive, but they are still extremely vulnerable to change.
Unless the intellectual Morlocks have the ability to engineer their species, that is. But the specimen we see in the movie seems very resigned to his way of life.
(btw, that doesn't mean their species won't evolve further, but the usual pathway of evolution is unspecialized -> overspecialized -> extinct -> specialization of unspecialized species to fill the ecological niche -> repeat).
Yeah they had other options, soon as the time machine showed up to deliver food.
We saw that in the movies timeline that big dinosaur like reptiles had evolved and were hunted by the Eloi(yes in the books they were herbivores I know) . They could have used them as a livestock instead and they could provide much more meat than the Eloi.
So yeah they had other options but they refused to give them a shot because who are they to question years of evolution.
Eather way it doest really matter since when the time traveler when forward in time we see that the Morlocks went to the surface killed all the Eloi and the probably starved to death after redering the Earth a baren wasteland, so at the end of the day he and the other ubers(if they really were others) were not capable of keeping the rest of their kind under control indefinitely.
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS This movie actually messed up the structure that Wells had established.
They could not breed without the Eloi, so they would eventually die out .
The messed up part is that he probably at one point was trying to let go but his hands were in a different time.
What if Alexander decide to go back to 2037 to stop the lunar colony detonation? none of these Morlock nor Eloi would exist in the future.
but you can't change the pass remember he had that problem? something else would had blown the moon and caused the same problem. a meteor ? who know's lol
Well, if he returns and try to stop lunar colonisation, now the reason is because he knows about Morloks. So the same problem that with Emma. If he has success, he won't know about Morloks and how could he return and change it?
***** yeah so many possibilities and my theory still stands because we never got to see him try. and we only assumed his gf's pass couldn't be changed just because of the reason for him building the time machine. . let's say he saved his gf. maybe he would had found a diff reason to build the time machine then. thanks for the reply none the less this movie was awesome i liked the morlock guy the way he explained how his actions were neither right or wrong. and sad at the same time lol
***** not to mention morlock was pretty cool at letting him go and stuff without killing him n such...till Alexander decided to be a dick and kill him
If he does that, it could make things worse. The Eloi basically have a paradise earth to live on, with the exception of Morlocks which Alexander just destroyed. If he changed the moon colonization then humans could continue living the same existence and end up destroying the world some other way, such as nuclear war.
This is a movie where I feel there is no true protagonist or antagonist. The time traveler’s archaic thought process showed he was a product of his time. Jeremy Irons’ character was quiet, yet deliberate, and even though the Morlocks hunted - barbarism was also shown by the time traveler.
But through no fault of either because there’s 800,000 years of separation between the two.
As soon as Alexander pushes overdrive, the head morlock would see the time bubble almost freeze in time. He would hang there helplessly and die of starvation over weeks while Alexander would hardly have moved and would have seen the entire event occur in seconds from within the bubble.
Imagine Back to the Future 800,000 years to the future especially with this monster being around seeing Marty Mcfly's mind. It would be a great crossover with Jeremy Irons and Michael J. Fox.
The Time Traveler is absolutely the villain in this movie. 100%.
For saving humans from being eaten by the monsters underground and giving them another chance?
@@SideshowBob44 For interfering with evolution. He thinks his moral code supercedes 800,000 years of evolution.
@@SyntheticaYT it dors for HUMANTI RULES
Less evolution and more eugenics
@@SyntheticaYT it's not like the morlocks were advanced or worth saving to begin with. They couldn't even evolve to humanity's level, let alone a Type 1 Civilization.
That little smile and laugh after the second punch 😂 like "If it didn't hurt the first time what made you think?"
Here’s how the Morlocks could survive without eating Eloi. Set up a contract with DoorDash to have prime rib delivered to them via the time machine.
Rami Yanes That’s a very simple solution to all of their problems haha
They're millennia beyond DoorDash and cattle.
They could get GrubHub perks to give them deals on the food they love. The kind of deals that make them wanna boogie
Just bring livestock into the future. I presume no lifestock survived and set up a chain of events.
@@guytech7310 That's how it went in the book, anyway. The Time Traveler eventually realized that there were no animals or even birds in the world of 802,701 A.D. That was why the Eloi ate only fruit and the Morlocks ate Eloi.
I don't know why I watch this today, but this movie deserve a sequel.
They would ruined it
He destroyed the time machete realising how dangerous it was.
or a prequel, set in the future! ;D
@@Herr.Pthe time machine was never destroyed in the movie The Time Machine 2002
He should have kept the hands. It would have been a benefit to science all things considered.
Handy things to keep.
@@tsopmocful1958 haha noice
Just popped in from 2004.... time has been kinder to this movie than I would have thought...
Check back in another few years !
Still have an interesting question: after killing Jeremy Irons he stops the machine wich shows 635,427,810 years and a rusty colored sky with morlock structures all around. But the question is that if human race previously evolved in only 800,000 years, travelling 600 hundred million more would mean morlocks or even every mammal on earth becoming a whole new life form with different body cells and DNA (If it still exists). Also the atmosphere would change radically and solar increasing radiation would've made living species a lot different, but he still takes a little breake and breaths as if oxygen concentrations were the same as 600 hundred million years before
Yes, that still bothers me! The changes occurring over 600 million years would have been immense. The movie implied the morlocks really didn’t change much (physically and culturally based on the familiar skull structures we saw above ground). After six hundred million years, the morlocks might have died out through natural selection or evolved into something completely unrecognizable (as would the earth itself). Six hundred million years is just unfathomable. I mean, that is a LONG TIME lol. Our closest ancestor 600 million years ago was the size of a speck. The earth has faced mass extinctions and insane changes over the past 600 million years. The writers should have done a smaller time jump if all they wanted to do was show the morlocks ruling above ground. Not sure why they wanted to go SO far ahead into future. The morlocks still existing really downplayed the passage of time for me.
Nobody noticed Jeremy Iron's pinky finger ring.. He is such a goof actor that the producers had to make that compromise.. A monster with a golf ring!
One of the best villains, played by Jeremy Irons, along with Scar.
Somewhen in the world, someone just had two hands hit him on the head.
Funny how I came to this video, knowing that now scientists say that time is no longer linear, it is a ciricle. The past, present and future are all tied together in a circle.
So with his body aging outside the time bubble, it apparently takes him decades to complete a single blink.
Maybe an effect of being partially inside the time bubble?
His hands being in the different time stream caused him to exist in both simultaneously?
Technically, what we should see is him die of dehydration in a flash as soon as the machine starts moving forward in time again, then rot or mummify. He's unable to let go because his hands are inside the time field.
Alternatively, he should have just vanished with his hands remaining on Hartdegen's throat because they were ripped off his arms aeons ago. He'd just bleed out outside the time field.
killing him was very pointless. many have said it, and i very much agree.
from our current morals, he could be considered a villain. but in that world, moral has changed for them.
unfortunately for the morlock, he met someone with morals from the past that doesn't accept his, so he got killed.
then again.. he could have just time travel again back into his time. why bother killing him.
yeah, It's like telling cave man that meat is bad, cause there's a blog post about animal cruelty on 2022.
I am fascinated with time travel. I told my psychologist, during his morning rounds, that I was close to a break through. He smiled and checked my restrains
That’s so funny I laughed
@@henrygoodbar9477 Same lmao
One of my all time favorite movies. I love the concept of deep time snd how it is presented.
I think what would've actually happened here is that the Uber Morlocks arms would immediately be cut off by the time machine, and he would now be stuck in another time missing his arms. Likewise if the inventor stuck his hand outside the field, that hand would immediately be cut off because it would get stuck in a specific time while the rest of him travels further in time.
@Natmanprime i can't answer that, because i really can't see how it would make sense that he would be hanging there. He's outside of the field so he should immediately dissapear because he would now be in another time while his arms traveled further.
@Natmanprime it's not about different parts of the body aging at different rates. It's about one part of the body moving while the rest remains stationary. Just like if they were moving through space rather than time, those arms are gonna be ripped off. Because they are in a different place than the rest of the body. In this case a diffent place in time.
Alexander stuck his arm out for a split second in the beginning of his journey and he didn't get cut, but you could see his fingernails age.
Whilst they were fighting and time was going FORWARD, Mora most likely died in that cage. Scary thought!
actor Jeremy Irons looks amazing in this movie, it's easy for me to recognize him, but he looks amazing, seeing the face looks like Batman villain caricature of the 80s
He was Alfred in recent movies; he's never been a Batman villain.
Time was actually going by at normal speeds for the dude, he was hanging on to nothing for hundreds of years, wow...
No, he experienced his death as quick as it showed because his arms were still in the time machine which meant he was actually still in the future, while at the same time felt himself deteriorating as the rest of his body was being left in the past as time quickly sped up inside the time machine as it showed by his body rapidly aging outside of the machine. That’s why he was blinked a couple times as his body was falling apart. I think he would’ve blinked more than a couple times over the course of hundreds of years
I like this part not because of the fighting but because he goes so far into the future theres just nothing at all.
Never bring a knife to a time fight
This villain looked so cool
0:14 Marvel: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!!
Because they hadn't been making comics branded as "What If?" for decades beforehand, of course.
He was letting him leave in peace. Alex should have let things be.
Alex has no more right to be offended by what is done 800,000 years in his future, than what was done 40 years in his future (WW2) or in countless instances in his past.
T G exactly considering how courteous and nice the Uber morlock was
In Alex's own time period there were human zoos
This dude had a whole speech about casts and how they were the smart ones and that they bred others to be the muscle....and I'm pretty sure he just lifted a 180lb man off the ground one-handed.
In the original Time Machine, the Morlocks are strong (at least compared to the Eloi) but sub-intellectual to the point where they do not even have a spoken or written language. The British guy wipes the floor with them single handedly in the fight scene, and they are afraid of fire or anything with light. These Morlocks are definitely a far higher life form, and you almost begin rooting for them to devour ALL of the annoying, stupid Eloi. That way, the nourishment they would receive will allow their physical strength to match their brain power!
Also the morlocks, and Eloi are much much smaller than they are percieved here. The morlocks also don't carry weapons, and have the mental capacity of a 7 year old.
The original? Do you mean the book? And higher life forms don't descend to cannibalism. The Morlocks are subhuman; only the Uber Morlock can think worth a lick.
@@MaskedMan66 no, he means the first movie of the Time Machine. It’s very old, but good though. Search RUclips for the 1960 version if you are curious.
@@makasete30 I grew up watching that movie, and "old" doesn't automatically mean "bad." _Metropolis_ is nearly a century old, but it's brilliant.
1:58 See you at the party Richter!
1:22 Let off some steam, Bennett!
Plese don't disturb my friend, he's 'dead' tired
@@NUFCMVFC You're FIRED.
I don’t think it’s that he “trusts” the time traveler, it’s more that his mind is so evolved that he cannot comprehend that the traveler, in his moment of absolute power/choice would make a self-sacrificial decision, choosing the “moral” course of action - because he has evolved for 800,000 years to do the EXACT opposite, to take the more self-sustaining course of action in every scenario, even at the expense of some of his own kind.
There was indication that the Urber Morlock was lonely and the Time Traveler was in a unique position for him to honestly have a chat with a intellectual being from the past that is also your ancestor of your species. It would be a once in a life time opportunity, and the Morlock was for the most part was honest in his answers and provided the Traveler a answer to why the machine failed him in saving his wife.
@Jay Morales Given the Morloc can read his mind and knows the situation of Alex he probably knows killing Alex wont bother the time lime. Alex by traveling forward effectively erased his existence already in the time stream. the only way it can effect him directly is if Alex went back in time and directly changed the events that caused the Morloc time lime thus changing the Morloc by erasing him from existence or changing his reality into something else better or worse.
Interesting thing I noticed. If the timemachine is unable to change events that created. by that logic it should also be unable to be used to change events for other users who's past is already set at least major events. Like Alex could potentially change or erase the Morloc timeline, however the Morloc and the Elowie wouldn't be able to as this would cause a paradox even if they used Alex's time machine. I believe its due to the fact that Alex comes from the far past thus to him he's a visitor seeing the future a Future he can change. For them. Its reality thus the past is set in stone and cannot be changed.
Yes. People say the Uber-Morlock was so reasonable and polite that he could have struck a deal. But the UM was in fact just playing with the Time Traveler, learning fast, and was such a fascist that he couldn't have been trusted.
Just imagine hanging on like that for that many weeks/months/years as you slowly decay and die
Wish they had added a hidden easter egg on the time machine that looked like a flux capacitor.
I still have a lot of questions on this scene. He pushed UP on the lever while hanging from it straight down defying gravity? The lever was maxxed out, so he was traveling years at a time such that his rotting corpse was just chilling and struggling that whole time but he didn't starve or die of thirst in the interim?
Honestly, this is probably the best scene in the movie. The 1960 version is just a lot better and more entertaining in my opinion
And it sticks better to the book's concepts.
0:13 is where the birth of What if? channel took place..
I think Jeremy Irons would look good as the Frankenstein monster. He has a Boris Karloff look about him.
Or Dracula.
This is one of the most underrated movies ever.
I saw it today
Only for the time travel graphics... The book is better
Its not a good movie lol. Just has some great scenes. Most of the with Irons.
too bad this movie still has not been released on blu ray
If that's true, than it likely never will be.
Joe has great Taste in movie and even better with wrestling podcast.
i don't care
Wait... lets sum up this scene. He dont like the fact that Murlocks kill and eat Elois so he kills only guy that keep Morlocks from killing every one of Eloi in the matter of few months. Yeah great job time traveler... great job.
I think youre forgetting the rest of the movie... Where he wins and that doesnt happen lol
If he's so against the Morlocks, wouldnt it be much easier just to go back in time and get rid of them? Seems like an awfully risky way of trying to kill just one!
1:52 I immediately thought of Jango Fett saying: *Well we won't be seeing him again.*
Jeremy Irons scared me when I was a kid
Another homage to the 1960 version of the movie, showing a Murlock decaying in seconds flat.
So this is where Phineas and Ferb got the idea for their time machine from! I knew that I recognised it from somewhere 😆
i like how jeremy irons character only uses ONE hand for most of this fight. Despite having TWO.
The Morlock leader treated the time machine inventor graciously and with respect, and protected him from his savage underling Morlocks, and even gave him back his pocket watch and allowed him to depart with his Time Machine. And then how did the time machine inventor repay the Morlock leader? By attacking him and killing him. Seems so unfair and unchivalrous.
i already forgot this movie... gonna watch it again...
“See you at the pah-ty, Richter!!”
Very underrated movie, btw.
So how many years was he holding onto his neck staring at him?
He experienced his own death as quick as it showed because his arms were still in the time machine.
@@retrovcr777 Understood that, I was asking from Zombie Irons' pov.
I still the Rod Taylor movie. Those Morlocks were terrifying.
I know, I know, the movie sucks and is insulting to the original movie. But there are few good things I like about the movie. 3 last time I counted.
1. The design of the time Machine. I think it looks cooler than the last one.
2. The Eloi's houses in 802,701. Very minor point.
3. This scene, the fight with Jeremy Irons.
Say what you like about the movie. On most counts, I agree with you, but those are the things I like
I actually like this version over the 60's one. The old one almost put me to sleep!
Well, to each their own. I'm not really into old movies myself, The Time Machine being a rare exception. Neither really work for the best time travel movie though. That honor has to go to my all time favourite movie, Back to The Future 3
Although I enjoy the scene with Jeremy Irons as the Morlock leader, I extremely dislike the fact that Alexander attacks and murders him after the Morlock had shown him courtesy and answered his central question on time travel. Alexander never even ASKED the Morlock if he'd free his Eloi girlfriend, which he very well would have. It seemed a downright evil thing to do, considering the Morlock had a very fair point against Alexander that a time traveler had no room to come into some distant era and pass moral judgement on its occupants.
Alexandros Nortune It is an enigma, the Morlock leader and Alexander are one and the same person but from two different times. The Morlock is the 'Alexander' who continues on in pursuit of trying to save his beloved fiancee Emma, who time and time again he tries to save and inevitably fails, only to mess up the time space-time continuum. The result of all of this (well intended interference) is a monstrous future where even the time traveller has had to undergo physical transformation to survive so as to continue in pursuit of his dream. Alexander realises this by the conversation he has with the Morlock leader. Alexander knows that this evil must be stopped, but only by the death of the Morlock leader can this nightmare be ended.
Tony Nelson The Morlock is Alexander?? How is that possible. do you mean that two Alexanders from different timelines ended up in the same place?
The book is infinitely better. This movie was such a 'Hollywoodization" of a good novel.
Though the time machine was destroyed, he could always recreate it. I mean, he did manage to make it in the 1890's. He could always make it in the 800,000's.
In the 1890's, he had tools, materials, and a power source.
@@MaskedMan66 mate with the help of that library robot, they together could have surely taught others and got the parts that were necessary. Saying it would be impossible when he managed to LITERALLY travel backwards and forwards through time in 1890 is almost a plot-hole like error.
@@scaredmuffin6371 How in the world is it any kind of error?
"See you later" would have been a good quip before he plunged full throttle ahead.
I kept thinking what if Guy traveled back to the time when he was at and the Morlock was still there. LMAO!
Somewhere in the future: " A pair of hands come flying out of nowhere.
I always felt sad about his death.. Was he truly evil? Or.. the inevitable?
He was quite the gentlemen actually
Evil.
@@TheGuyAlwaysOnTime So was Hitler.
He is not evil. He is not even a human anymore. He is hunting another species to feed his own which is the rule of nature. One species hunts the other like tigers hunting deers. There is nothing immoral or evil in this.
@@technicalmaster4054 What do you mean "anymore?" He's always been a Morlock; however, Morlocks are human, as we know from the story. And hunting fellow sentients-- indeed, fellow humans-- is cannibalism, and people who do that are evil. There are plenty of animals and plants about.
that dude just spent who knows how many years hanging from a guy's neck, what a way to end.
The Time Traveller should have had the wisdom not to tamper. Who knows what'll happen to that earth now that the morlock head-honcho is dead. He might have saved one life for a short while, but doom countless others.
When a person is in possession of a "Time Machine" the question is not where shall I go ? but instead Past or Future and how far should I go.
A bit late but still...there is also a third option : Should I use said time machine at all?
Once time machine is used nothing goes as simple single brain human planned.
Time travel could be so complex and all that ,i think its impossible for single head to trully control or understand such large concept.Therefore leading to errors and paradoxes and all sort of trouble.
So true question when one is in posession of time machine is not Where or past/future but Should I ?
engage machine that will set in motion things beyond your understanding and control?
He didn't just starve for weeks or months. He was stuck onto the guy till his very bones withered away. That's a long time. lol
no he experienced accelerated aging since he was partially inside the time machine
Impressive how that rough and tumble fight all fit neatly within the time bubble. Convenient really.
Jeremy irons was a phenomenal bad guy
He really messed with a world and ecosystem he had no idea about. Also the evolution of humans took that guy to what he is and to take him out like that was shocking - not even sure how many years passed with him hanging on like that. And doesn't anyone see him stuck there? Can't they do anything? Do they see a "bubble" in space where they can't go?
Stephen Baxter's sequal to the Time Machine "The Timeships" is much better than the original "Time Machine" book. I really wish they would make the Timeships into a movie. In the Timeships book he goes back and forth between the past and future many times in order to prevent all the bad things that happened in the "Time Machine" book. However things get worse with each trip and eventually both the past and the future are totally un-recognizable. The timeships takes into account the more modern theory of multiple timelines and if you change things too much you can't ever return to the original timeline. At one point he is saved by a good Moorlock, at another point there is a time traveling tank and at another point they nuke the dinosaurs. The book ends with him trying to go back to before the big bang. I don't gt why we have made movies of all the old classics but can't seem to make movies of more modern sci fi books.
We can still make movies from original sources. But as you mentioned in your first sentence, H.G. Wells wrote the original. Therefore "The Timeships" is at best an homage, no matter how well written.
As far as other recent original sci-fi films, please consider "Avatar" as a fine example.
But even "Avatar", probably could never have been conceived, if it weren't itself, imagined after over a century of excellent science fiction works, which it is built upon.
such an underrated movie
So, a few days (hours?) later the other colonies of Morlocks that Irons mentioned will discover what happened. And since all those 'free' Eloi don't belong to anyone any more and they don't need to maintain the population, they'll just harvest the entire lot and divy up the spoils.
Quick Question : why can't he just release the grip ? From his point of view, it tooks years. before he got old and decayed.
See you at the party Richter!
The Ubermorlock was holding his neck for like 1000 years.
How long would he have been hanging out of the time machine for with it being at full power? It seemed like seconds but it must have been years he was just left hanging there till he reduced to nothing over decades or centuries
4 years.