Valdemar II died in 1241, so he can hardly have burned Visby in 1361. What the producers of Timeline should know is that it was Valdemar IV who burned Visby in 1361.
I can barely imagine the shear terror the defenders experienced defe defending their land and homes. Poor people that suffer in armed conflict anytime in human history. This doc was so good to watch.
It’s just as savage today as it was then. Most of the population back then was accustomed to a brutal and short life & the concept of quarter was very rare.
I could not imagine it...the horror of it. One thing is consistent through throughout history.....the poor get the worst of it and none of it was of there making. Savage then...and still savage now...
The cross with the circle- what is the origin of that style cross? Seen as a Celtic or Irish design by many. Did a cross with circle originate from Vikings as a symbol of something and then travel with them when they invaded Ireland? Or? Oh! I just read this: “In pagan times, the Celtic cross was known as a Sun Cross or Sun Wheel and was a symbol of Odin, the Norse god”
Timeline always produces quality doc's. It would be very nice if they'd also show the continuation of this episode. I understand there is such a program where they finally did find the mass graves. Thank you.
Ya unfortunately they don't follow up on a lot of studies. Like the "syphilis enigma" which is still being shown but has been thoroughly debunked by now ( it theorized a possibility that venerable syphilis was actually brought from the old world, which was a good question to study but since shows not to hold water)
If Timeline produced quality productions, they should have known that Valdemar II died in 1241, so he can hardly have burned Visby in 1361. The fact is that it was Valdemar IV who burned Visby in 1361.
Interesting. I knew about the betrayal of Visby, the battle outside the wall and how the leaders refused to help the people defending the city wall. But I didn't know some of these things.
Even more so being point blank with the enemy. I can only imagine how much worse the PTSD might have been -- people constantly murdering each other face to face.
@@synergygaming604 I remember hearing a line in a documentary about how some veteran crusaders might fly into fits if they heard pots and pans clanking around.
The Visby graves gave us more knowledge on medieval arms and armor than any other site. Normally the dead were stripped of arms and armor, at Visby the dead were buried in their armor. Maybe the conquerors we're moving too fast to take time to strip the dead.
@@doesthisfacemakemelooklike535 It’s not your fault.. imagine if you have to make amends for any ancestor who made a mess. 😄 also.. I’m not from the island, just lived there for awhile.
Or the battle of Rochester castle and the other Danish invasions before that, where the Danes killed any English lord and his people if the signed the truce against King Richard.
I wish it were not this way. Unfortunately we have robbed too many countries culture and arts to even pretend to put together. Most of the greatest things are buried underground for over a century.
Great video, however. I would have expected History Hit not to use a thumbnail of the Battle of Rocroi in 1643 for a video concerning the battle of Visby in 1361.
I don't understand why they can't put some kind of wooden structure with a small roof over the top of the cross to keep some of the rain and elements away from it to preserve it a lot longer cuz it said it's historical object
Cost, probably. A structure like that has to be maintained, and it would obscure the monument itself and probably be an eyesore. Plus, it's a piece of rock. There's much older monuments than that one standing outside all over the place. They can't put a roof over all of them.
A local Texas friend of mine was getting grave marking from stones from local abandoned family graveyards they are only about 100 years old. They were covered with brambles and trees.
The friend was cataloging and making copies of the grave stones and markers in the poor people and community cemetery areas; before they were eroded and gone from acid rain. Nothing illegal, but very brave.
@@kathleenmann7311 in rural Texas, you'd be surprised how many of these family grave areas there are. I remember running across two just trail riding around my cousin's 800 acre farm in Texarkana. Nobody knew they were there-- they had been abandoned. About 6-12 or so gravestones each IIRC.
This is saddening - thousands of Danes against basically helpless villagers. My thought was could they have met the Danes on the shore - but how could they, out numbered, out weaponed. It's a sad history.
It’s always been the same throughout written history and beyond. Certain people rise above others in technology and armaments,then want to expand their territory. It’s a never ending process of power,control and wealth.
@@clvrswine considering strategy was the first thought, I'll agree that it is normal female response. Go play a war game. This is in reference to reality and emotion or rather the human element must be considered.
sorry... honestly...but..MY GRANDFATHER Leonard Emmett Smith is Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark's second cousin 23 times removed. Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark → Sophia of Minsk his mother → Queen Consort of Sweden Ryksa Bolesławówna of Novogrod her mother → Casimir II the Just, High Duke of Poland her brother → Konrad I of Masovia his son → Siemowit I his son → Boleslav II. his son → Książę Trojden I ks. Piast-Mazowiecki, książę his son → Eufemia Mazowiecka his daughter → Przemysław I Noszak, Duke of Cieszyn her son → Margaret Felbrigge his daughter → Helena Tyndale her daughter → Sir Thomas Tyndale. Kt. her son → Sir William Tyndale, Kt. his son → John Tyndale his son → Margaret Wright his daughter → Thomas Taylor her son → Thomas Taylor his son → John Taylor his son → Col. James Taylor, of King & Queen his son → Mary Pendleton his daughter → Mary Gaines her daughter → Rev. Henry Pendleton Gaines her son → Catherine Waggoner his daughter → James Waggener her son → Martin Franklin Waggoner his son → Jones David Waggoner his son → Viola Winifred Smith his daughter → Leonard Emmett Smith her son
This is only one of 8 episodes of the series Medieval Dead. There was another episode that focused on the mass grave that was found outside of the city. I watched is on Amazon Prime earlier this year so it should still be there.
Seen that one. They get into analyzing what made the wounds to the bones. The variety of armor was interesting. When you look at a skeleton which had both legs hacked off with one sword stroke, it really makes you look a "ancient" weapons differently. They noted a lot of leg injuries to the Gotland remains. They didn't have leg armor so the Danes & Germans went low to take out legs.
That wasn't Mid-Evil century battle metal! It was metal from from other times that they had to go through to get to the Mid-Evil artifact's. It could have been nails & other metal from the 1950's or even 1990's.
Digging Up Worthless Non-Medieval Nails in Gotland | Medieval Dead | Timeline Tim Sutherland and the team make a return trip to Sweden, where they walk around in fields with metal detectors and find nail after worthless non-medieval nail. After more than forty minutes of this, hear Tim Sutherland try to sell the idea that not finding stuff is just about as important as finding stuff. It's not, though. It's the opposite of that.
At 29:52 if you see the red spec of fungus marking the spot on the head where someone got hit possibly… I was wondering if there’s any skull in correlation with it? (if you take a photo of the cross and turn down the brightness, up the contrast, down the shadow, and down the vibrancy and temperature just a little you might see what I see)
MY GRANDFATHER Leonard Emmett Smith is Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark's second cousin 23 times removed. Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark → Sophia of Minsk his mother → Queen Consort of Sweden Ryksa Bolesławówna of Novogrod her mother → Casimir II the Just, High Duke of Poland her brother → Konrad I of Masovia his son → Siemowit I his son → Boleslav II. his son → Książę Trojden I ks. Piast-Mazowiecki, książę his son → Eufemia Mazowiecka his daughter → Przemysław I Noszak, Duke of Cieszyn her son → Margaret Felbrigge his daughter → Helena Tyndale her daughter → Sir Thomas Tyndale. Kt. her son → Sir William Tyndale, Kt. his son → John Tyndale his son → Margaret Wright his daughter → Thomas Taylor her son → Thomas Taylor his son → John Taylor his son → Col. James Taylor, of King & Queen his son → Mary Pendleton his daughter → Mary Gaines her daughter → Rev. Henry Pendleton Gaines her son → Catherine Waggoner his daughter → James Waggener her son → Martin Franklin Waggoner his son → Jones David Waggoner his son → Viola Winifred Smith his daughter → Leonard Emmett Smith her son
One wonders what current world would look like, had not humans been as territorial & aggressive throughout documented history. Would the tipping point of population been reached centuries or millennium prior, without mass battle deaths/disease/breakdown of resources? Or, without any natural or natural warring aggression, would we have found a balance long ago?
Maybe something more similar to Native American or Aboriginal tribes? Just staying at the same level of technology for thousands of years. With that lack of focus on technology and desire for "new" stuff comes natural death from things that are now easily prevented which balances population. I think evolution and natural selection has a part to play in that though. The most warlike and greedy rose to the top because they wanted to control the resources. The wars led to technological advance. And here we are.
So there were no mass graves ever found? You'd think they could explore around the grounds of the local churches if those were the most likely areas. It seems they never did that. Also I wonder why they didn't do the radar and other imaging first around the cross figurine before all, but I'm only amateur.
lol they didn't find anything. probably found practice bolts, if thats what they even were. the sword handle looked like a welded hexagon nut... common on farms... idk. i feel like it was a big nothing burger. you would find crossbow bolts near homes... they found many many nails... whatever i guess.
There was an excavation in the 1930's of at least 2 mass burial pits. Then a later one(?) Any rate, another burial pit was identified next to the last one excavated. Last I knew they haven't excavated that one. There is another doc that focuses on the wounds, armor and other aspects of the excavations. Tim Sutherland was the lead guy on that doc.
You are correct. There appears to have been NO testing around the cross. Nor did they use laser imagery to scan the cross for letters. Very amateurish but using a light at night makes good tv. Had they stuck to the actual archaeology instead of posing unsupported speculative nonsense, it may have been actually interesting. All they've done was 'use' the local archaeologists to pad their pockets with a subpar video.
...and what have we learned about battles? Nothing it seems as it continues to this day. We have learned nothing about life. Ask the Ukranie. Thank you, this was a great presentation.
The Mastaby cross will have the same words as the Visby cross "- In the year of our Lord 1361, Tuesday after St James’ Day, Gutnish fell into the hands of the Danish before the gates of Visby. They are buried here. Pray for them!" But change Visby to Mastaby.
Umm... no. Also, the Gotlandic militia were not serfs, they were free, land owning farmers who chose to die defending that freedom and their property rather than submit to a foreign king. There are plenty of ghost stories in the city, but none about the mass graves or the battle itself. The only one related to the invasion is the old story that claims that the daughter of a local merchant who became the Danish kings mistress and alledgedly betrayed the fact that the bog the local militia counted on as flank protection, had, in fact dried out that summer, and thus enabled the massacre of the first battle at Martebo. For that treason, she was alledgedly walled in alive in one of the waterside towers of the city wall once the Danish king had sailed away and is claimed to haunt that tower still with wailing cries in vain for her king and lover to return and free her...
My main group of ancestors lived on Bornholm for centuries. They were a rowdy bunch compared to my Norge side. When Christianity/Roman Catholicism arrived the Vikings didn't stop their violent ways. They just raided and invaded under a different banner and for different reasons.
It is so bad that it is being so much houses builded on the Island though. It is a crime that it is being build so many houses on Gotland. Very much evidence must been DESTROYED and vanished because of that. I do not think they check the areas where they want to build the houses before they build them. Gotland is the place in the world with most treasures. The most unique viking place and it is so much treasures and old houses in the ground. But then the tourists and other modern buildings is created there. It is for sure so much things that being destroyed because of them. IT should be forbidden to build before check the ground first. It is a historical Island. With such a unique history for the world of the human history. I do not like double moral. It should be surtain rules and structures of how to treat the nature on the Island. Gotland should be marked as a culture place. The nature is unique too with the flora and insects. So respect Gotland. It should be treated right. The treasure Island. The island hides so much still so to check with a metal detector should be a fact before exploiting the nature more. It is terrible to ignore Gotland. Be careful with the Island. See but not touch before checking the ground as a routine. Welcome to Gotland, the treasure vaggon. So much more treasues to find there. The nature is very rich on different flowers and insects too. A very good video for the world to see. I wish it was longer. Gotland is majestic. Thank you very much.
Vikings suck. Why would anyone want to remember anything about the savages. Leave them forgotten in a horrible past. They came. Raped pillaged burned innocent farmers and villagers. Orcs. Marauding orcs. Like russian orcs are doing in Ukraine. Who wants to remember baby rapers.
@@soniaalvarez543 , actually it’s one of the necessary elements for plant and animal life; or my PhD Soils teacher was making us memorize it and a couple dozen elements to torture us(?).
UMMM. not true the Gotlanders did not stand as one, the damn merchants closed and locked the gates to the defenders, that's why the battle happened where it did. There are a-lot of people very interested in History, it's much harder now to pull one on them.
Most of the merchants weren't Gotlanders but from other parts of Europe. This video is only a small portion of the documentary series. It explains things better in the full doc. The series Medieval Dead was on Amazon prime, I watched it earlier this year so it should still be there. There were 8 episodes and I believe they spent 2 on Gotland.
Visby was a Hanseatic League city. They were not even Scandinavians, mostly Germans. They almost never allowed the Gotlanders inside the city walls on a normal day. Visby at that time didn't have any association with Gotland other than being a physical location.
@@adamtaylor7412 What does that have to do with anything? You said, "UMMM. not true the Gotlanders did not stand as one, the damn merchants closed and locked the gates to the defenders," which implies the merchants were Gotlanders. Which they weren't. That is what I pointed out. I also pointed out that this was the second of two episodes talking about the invasion of Gotland and it was explained in the other episode what happened at the city. In this episode when it states that the Gotlanders stood as one they were referring to the 1st battle, the one that took place in the field where they were looking for mass graves in the video. No one was trying to "pull one" on anybody.
The Visby Wall could keep a peasants army out, but not a King with a rented Professional, German army and "modern weapons" for a siege. I suppose that King Waldemar gave Visby a "Mafia Offer" to keep out of the war, and after all no love excisted between the farmers and the town, as they had fougth a Civil War about 20 years before, I think to remember?
@@SonsOfLorgar If you know more/have local knowledge, then fine, accepted. I just found it funny how having woods at your back was presented automatically as a bad thing.
MY GRANDFATHER Leonard Emmett Smith is Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark's second cousin 23 times removed. Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark → Sophia of Minsk his mother → Queen Consort of Sweden Ryksa Bolesławówna of Novogrod her mother → Casimir II the Just, High Duke of Poland her brother → Konrad I of Masovia his son → Siemowit I his son → Boleslav II. his son → Książę Trojden I ks. Piast-Mazowiecki, książę his son → Eufemia Mazowiecka his daughter → Przemysław I Noszak, Duke of Cieszyn her son → Margaret Felbrigge his daughter → Helena Tyndale her daughter → Sir Thomas Tyndale. Kt. her son → Sir William Tyndale, Kt. his son → John Tyndale his son → Margaret Wright his daughter → Thomas Taylor her son → Thomas Taylor his son → John Taylor his son → Col. James Taylor, of King & Queen his son → Mary Pendleton his daughter → Mary Gaines her daughter → Rev. Henry Pendleton Gaines her son → Catherine Waggoner his daughter → James Waggener her son → Martin Franklin Waggoner his son → Jones David Waggoner his son → Viola Winifred Smith his daughter → Leonard Emmett Smith her son
those are farm fields plowed for years,wouldnt there be a great knowledge of artifacts already? they act as if they are the first peoples to look for stuff?
Its MÄSTERBY not "Masterby"... Mäster (Champion/skillful/specialist) - by (village). Masterby is half English and half Swedish... sloppy to say the least. So either call it Mästerby or Mastervillage.
Waste of 46 minutes. They went out, they searched for a few days and found little or nothing of interest. The battle "may have been here," "may have been there." Honestly, I don't believe that no one in the past hundred years, ever thought of shining a light across the engravings on the cross. There are several much more interesting videos about the battle of Visby.
Theres a prívate owned graveyard next to our small Home development . It's around 65 Miles S of Seattle. In Roy,Wa Maybe 100 graves or so? Graves date back To 1850s? A lot of the pre 1900 graves are infants and children ?
Valdemar II died in 1241, so he can hardly have burned Visby in 1361. What the producers of Timeline should know is that it was Valdemar IV who burned Visby in 1361.
I can barely imagine the shear terror the defenders experienced defe defending their land and homes. Poor people that suffer in armed conflict anytime in human history. This doc was so good to watch.
I have stand in front of that 700 years stone cross.. remembering it was an weird vibe in the whole aria.. this docu really explains why.
It’s just as savage today as it was then. Most of the population back then was accustomed to a brutal and short life & the concept of quarter was very rare.
I could not imagine it...the horror of it. One thing is consistent through throughout history.....the poor get the worst of it and none of it was of there making. Savage then...and still savage now...
Two words. Stay armed.
The cross with the circle- what is the origin of that style cross? Seen as a Celtic or Irish design by many. Did a cross with circle originate from Vikings as a symbol of something and then travel with them when they invaded Ireland? Or?
Oh! I just read this:
“In pagan times, the Celtic cross was known as a Sun Cross or Sun Wheel and was a symbol of Odin, the Norse god”
I'm from Sweden but never heard of this. Now I have even more reason to visit Gotland!!
Very interesting, thanks for the upload!
Timeline always produces quality doc's. It would be very nice if they'd also show the continuation of this episode. I understand there is such a program where they finally did find the mass graves. Thank you.
Here's the whole thing ruclips.net/video/TxkgBDaVsP0/видео.html
@@daneaxe6465 Thank you Dane!
Ya unfortunately they don't follow up on a lot of studies. Like the "syphilis enigma" which is still being shown but has been thoroughly debunked by now ( it theorized a possibility that venerable syphilis was actually brought from the old world, which was a good question to study but since shows not to hold water)
If Timeline produced quality productions, they should have known that Valdemar II died in 1241, so he can hardly have burned Visby in 1361. The fact is that it was Valdemar IV who burned Visby in 1361.
@@riddick7082 Well, what's one Valdemar more or less between friends? Those Roman Numerals are so tricky to read.😇
Interesting. I knew about the betrayal of Visby, the battle outside the wall and how the leaders refused to help the people defending the city wall. But I didn't know some of these things.
For sure, never heard 20% of the population were lesbians!?
Knowing history is power for the future
History was brutal. Absolutely brutal.
And that's why Americans want change and hide its brutal history.
"A medieval battle was a fight for your life, literally."
All battles are literally a fight for your life!
Even more so being point blank with the enemy. I can only imagine how much worse the PTSD might have been -- people constantly murdering each other face to face.
@@synergygaming604 I remember hearing a line in a documentary about how some veteran crusaders might fly into fits if they heard pots and pans clanking around.
No they arent
@@debbylou5729 explain.
@@robo5013 no, you explain how all battles are literally for your life. They arent
The Visby graves gave us more knowledge on medieval arms and armor than any other site. Normally the dead were stripped of arms and armor, at Visby the dead were buried in their armor. Maybe the conquerors we're moving too fast to take time to strip the dead.
Probably too hot and decomposition sets in quick , so mass grave .
@@mountainholler290 too hot? In Sweden?
@@dutchboy9273
The battle happened in mid- to late- July, right smack dab in the middle of summer. Yes it's Sweden but still hot nonetheless.
@@Tam0de hot for a week or two?
@@michaeljarvis5489 Mediaeval Warm period, part of why it was so rich - farming. Notably warmer than it is now.
I actually lived in Gotland and att one point in ’Mästerby’.. very interesting video 🙂
im double related to the invaders...sorry about THAT...whoa! see comments ...
@@doesthisfacemakemelooklike535 It’s not your fault.. imagine if you have to make amends for any ancestor who made a mess. 😄 also.. I’m not from the island, just lived there for awhile.
I would love to visit Visby and walk the battlefield area.
So you were a goth masterbyter in your younger days?
Cool to see this cus im from Gotland.
Good work by experts. It would be great if someone could find the mass Graves of the battle of hastings or even any Graves.
Or the battle of Rochester castle and the other Danish invasions before that, where the Danes killed any English lord and his people if the signed the truce against King Richard.
I wish they would have shown more of the museum. But great doc.
I wish it were not this way. Unfortunately we have robbed too many countries culture and arts to even pretend to put together. Most of the greatest things are buried underground for over a century.
Great video, however. I would have expected History Hit not to use a thumbnail of the Battle of Rocroi in 1643 for a video concerning the battle of Visby in 1361.
I don't understand why they can't put some kind of wooden structure with a small roof over the top of the cross to keep some of the rain and elements away from it to preserve it a lot longer cuz it said it's historical object
Too many wars, too many momuments, this place has been killing eachother for thousands of years.
@@FuckGoogle2 that's got nothing to do with trying to put a cover over it to preserve it from any further damage
@@mikebaird6788 Cost, maintainence, building permits. It was raised to be out in the elements, how about just respecting that decision?
Cost, probably. A structure like that has to be maintained, and it would obscure the monument itself and probably be an eyesore. Plus, it's a piece of rock. There's much older monuments than that one standing outside all over the place. They can't put a roof over all of them.
A local Texas friend of mine was getting grave marking from stones from local abandoned family graveyards they are only about 100 years old. They were covered with brambles and trees.
ok
Hope you don’t mean your uncle was actually Collecting them 😳
The friend was cataloging and making copies of the grave stones and markers in the poor people and community cemetery areas; before they were eroded and gone from acid rain. Nothing illegal, but very brave.
@@kathleenmann7311 in rural Texas, you'd be surprised how many of these family grave areas there are. I remember running across two just trail riding around my cousin's 800 acre farm in Texarkana. Nobody knew they were there-- they had been abandoned. About 6-12 or so gravestones each IIRC.
This is saddening -
thousands of Danes against basically helpless villagers. My thought was could they have met the Danes on the shore - but how could they, out numbered, out weaponed. It's a sad history.
It’s always been the same throughout written history and beyond. Certain people rise above others in technology and armaments,then want to expand their territory. It’s a never ending process of power,control and wealth.
Typical female perspective. Purely emotional.
@@clvrswine considering strategy was the first thought, I'll agree that it is normal female response. Go play a war game. This is in reference to reality and emotion or rather the human element must be considered.
@@clvrswine to many XX archaeology types these days
sorry... honestly...but..MY GRANDFATHER Leonard Emmett Smith is Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark's second cousin 23 times removed.
Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark
→ Sophia of Minsk
his mother → Queen Consort of Sweden Ryksa Bolesławówna of Novogrod
her mother → Casimir II the Just, High Duke of Poland
her brother → Konrad I of Masovia
his son → Siemowit I
his son → Boleslav II.
his son → Książę Trojden I ks. Piast-Mazowiecki, książę
his son → Eufemia Mazowiecka
his daughter → Przemysław I Noszak, Duke of Cieszyn
her son → Margaret Felbrigge
his daughter → Helena Tyndale
her daughter → Sir Thomas Tyndale. Kt.
her son → Sir William Tyndale, Kt.
his son → John Tyndale
his son → Margaret Wright
his daughter → Thomas Taylor
her son → Thomas Taylor
his son → John Taylor
his son → Col. James Taylor, of King & Queen
his son → Mary Pendleton
his daughter → Mary Gaines
her daughter → Rev. Henry Pendleton Gaines
her son → Catherine Waggoner
his daughter → James Waggener
her son → Martin Franklin Waggoner
his son → Jones David Waggoner
his son → Viola Winifred Smith
his daughter → Leonard Emmett Smith
her son
Thanks!
This is only one of 8 episodes of the series Medieval Dead. There was another episode that focused on the mass grave that was found outside of the city. I watched is on Amazon Prime earlier this year so it should still be there.
Seen that one. They get into analyzing what made the wounds to the bones. The variety of armor was interesting. When you look at a skeleton which had both legs hacked off with one sword stroke, it really makes you look a "ancient" weapons differently. They noted a lot of leg injuries to the Gotland remains. They didn't have leg armor so the Danes & Germans went low to take out legs.
Omg all that cool mid evil battle metal stuff in that box. From the field.. that is way cool!!
That wasn't Mid-Evil century battle metal! It was metal from from other times that they had to go through to get to the Mid-Evil artifact's. It could have been nails & other metal from the 1950's or even 1990's.
Its Medieval, not mid-evil
It must be really something for the locals searching there to come across a grave and realize it could be one of your relatives you have discovered
Fun fact: Ötzi - the man that died 5000 years ago, still has blood relatives living today in the same area he did.
@Andrew Burkinshaw:
It is! New historical facts are found every year. There is still much more to be discovered.
I live in Stockholm but my ancestors all originated from Gotland since the 1600th
Digging Up Worthless Non-Medieval Nails in Gotland | Medieval Dead | Timeline
Tim Sutherland and the team make a return trip to Sweden, where they walk around in fields with metal detectors and find nail after worthless non-medieval nail. After more than forty minutes of this, hear Tim Sutherland try to sell the idea that not finding stuff is just about as important as finding stuff. It's not, though. It's the opposite of that.
The fact the town doesnt have any written history on it says a lot.
Love you all!
Interesting introducing of Gotland Mass Grave video
I imagine the Gotlanders walking that field felt like I did walking the battlefields of Virginia from the Recent Unpleasantness.
What was the recent unpleasantness?
@@BCSoHappy I would guess he is relating to American Civil War, 1861-1865. Similar human carnage.
@@BCSoHappy a trump rally
@@orchunter8388 lol! I wouldn't give the US neofascists that much credit just yet
@@BCSoHappy So far the only war the USA has managed to win without allies. ;)
History. Adore learning.
Great documentary!
Merry Christmas 🌎 🌍 🌏 another mind opener your history 🤓 from Columbus ohio
At 29:52 if you see the red spec of fungus marking the spot on the head where someone got hit possibly… I was wondering if there’s any skull in correlation with it? (if you take a photo of the cross and turn down the brightness, up the contrast, down the shadow, and down the vibrancy and temperature just a little you might see what I see)
Fantastic 👍🏻
wow good work
A nightmare beyond words.
interesting stuff
Timeline good show
MY GRANDFATHER Leonard Emmett Smith is Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark's second cousin 23 times removed.
Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark
→ Sophia of Minsk
his mother → Queen Consort of Sweden Ryksa Bolesławówna of Novogrod
her mother → Casimir II the Just, High Duke of Poland
her brother → Konrad I of Masovia
his son → Siemowit I
his son → Boleslav II.
his son → Książę Trojden I ks. Piast-Mazowiecki, książę
his son → Eufemia Mazowiecka
his daughter → Przemysław I Noszak, Duke of Cieszyn
her son → Margaret Felbrigge
his daughter → Helena Tyndale
her daughter → Sir Thomas Tyndale. Kt.
her son → Sir William Tyndale, Kt.
his son → John Tyndale
his son → Margaret Wright
his daughter → Thomas Taylor
her son → Thomas Taylor
his son → John Taylor
his son → Col. James Taylor, of King & Queen
his son → Mary Pendleton
his daughter → Mary Gaines
her daughter → Rev. Henry Pendleton Gaines
her son → Catherine Waggoner
his daughter → James Waggener
her son → Martin Franklin Waggoner
his son → Jones David Waggoner
his son → Viola Winifred Smith
his daughter → Leonard Emmett Smith
her son
How nice to be able to trace your ancestry. I think knowing where and from whom you came, knowing that without them you would not be here.
Thats very cool, but I dont know why they are talking about Valdemar II, the gotland campaign was taken by Valdemar IV ''Atterdag''
If Ash and The Thirteen Warrior went back in Time to Pre-Rennaisance France, would they battle the Medieval Dead?
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Another misleading title. Majority of content not about the Gotland mass grave. No "buried mysteries," revealed.
4:51 these captions are hilarious!
One wonders what current world would look like, had not humans been as territorial & aggressive throughout documented history. Would the tipping point of population been reached centuries or millennium prior, without mass battle deaths/disease/breakdown of resources?
Or, without any natural or natural warring aggression, would we have found a balance long ago?
Maybe something more similar to Native American or Aboriginal tribes? Just staying at the same level of technology for thousands of years. With that lack of focus on technology and desire for "new" stuff comes natural death from things that are now easily prevented which balances population. I think evolution and natural selection has a part to play in that though. The most warlike and greedy rose to the top because they wanted to control the resources. The wars led to technological advance. And here we are.
We would not be as advanced or successful and would probably have been exterminated by another human species like Neanderthals.
Very well told
I wonder if the Archeologist thought about using drones or Google Earth. Didn't a young man discover another pyramid in the jungle?
Wild
Sad that it's holding their secrets but I don't believe that the cross is just there.
They had a good reason for placing it there.
these presentations are just brilliant. i'm a cat-loving history hound... for me, this is like swigging unblended scotch.
Pulling up that Farmers nail crop! how rude!
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The captions.. oh my.
The captions seem to malfunction🤣👏👏 where was that?
So there were no mass graves ever found? You'd think they could explore around the grounds of the local churches if those were the most likely areas. It seems they never did that. Also I wonder why they didn't do the radar and other imaging first around the cross figurine before all, but I'm only amateur.
lol they didn't find anything. probably found practice bolts, if thats what they even were. the sword handle looked like a welded hexagon nut... common on farms... idk. i feel like it was a big nothing burger. you would find crossbow bolts near homes... they found many many nails... whatever i guess.
There was an excavation in the 1930's of at least 2 mass burial pits. Then a later one(?) Any rate, another burial pit was identified next to the last one excavated. Last I knew they haven't excavated that one. There is another doc that focuses on the wounds, armor and other aspects of the excavations. Tim Sutherland was the lead guy on that doc.
You are correct. There appears to have been NO testing around the cross. Nor did they use laser imagery to scan the cross for letters. Very amateurish but using a light at night makes good tv. Had they stuck to the actual archaeology instead of posing unsupported speculative nonsense, it may have been actually interesting. All they've done was 'use' the local archaeologists to pad their pockets with a subpar video.
...and what have we learned about battles? Nothing it seems as it continues to this day. We have learned nothing about life. Ask the Ukranie. Thank you, this was a great presentation.
There is money to made in war. It's not that we haven't learned anythin, it's that greed trumps knowledge.
Why a 19th century illustration of a 17th century battle-scene in the announcement of an incident of the 14th century ? ? ? So sad.
The whole night time field trip is dramatic, but wouldn't it have been simpler to make a rubbing during the day?
The background music is terrible.
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What's wrong with the background music?!!
I thought the music was great, very appropriate. 🤷♂️
Or moved hundreds of meters due to plowing.
A bigger mystery is how I didn't know of this channel.
The Mastaby cross will have the same words as the Visby cross "- In the year of our Lord 1361, Tuesday after St James’ Day, Gutnish fell into the hands of the Danish before the gates of Visby. They are buried here. Pray for them!" But change Visby to Mastaby.
* Mästerby (not "Mastaby")
look for the companion cross
Such a horrible, painful way to die. They were brave
I wonder if the Dead Marshes LOTR was inspired by the Gotland Mass Grave
More likely inspired by Tolkien's own experiences of WW1.
It wasnt a battle but a massacre.
What’s under the stone cross ?
Plus, wrongly dead spirits, like serfs that were betrayed and locked out, might still haunt areas that trees would/can cover(?).
Umm... no.
Also, the Gotlandic militia were not serfs, they were free, land owning farmers who chose to die defending that freedom and their property rather than submit to a foreign king.
There are plenty of ghost stories in the city, but none about the mass graves or the battle itself.
The only one related to the invasion is the old story that claims that the daughter of a local merchant who became the Danish kings mistress and alledgedly betrayed the fact that the bog the local militia counted on as flank protection, had, in fact dried out that summer, and thus enabled the massacre of the first battle at Martebo.
For that treason, she was alledgedly walled in alive in one of the waterside towers of the city wall once the Danish king had sailed away and is claimed to haunt that tower still with wailing cries in vain for her king and lover to return and free her...
@@SonsOfLorgar *Mästerby (not Martebo)
Darn! No dragons?
I prefer today's Danes to those in 1361.
My main group of ancestors lived on Bornholm for centuries. They were a rowdy bunch compared to my Norge side. When Christianity/Roman Catholicism arrived the Vikings didn't stop their violent ways. They just raided and invaded under a different banner and for different reasons.
It is so bad that it is being so much houses builded on the Island though. It is a crime that it is being build so many houses on Gotland. Very much evidence must been DESTROYED and vanished because of that. I do not think they check the areas where they want to build the houses before they build them. Gotland is the place in the world with most treasures. The most unique viking place and it is so much treasures and old houses in the ground. But then the tourists and other modern buildings is created there. It is for sure so much things that being destroyed because of them. IT should be forbidden to build before check the ground first. It is a historical Island. With such a unique history for the world of the human history. I do not like double moral. It should be surtain rules and structures of how to treat the nature on the Island. Gotland should be marked as a culture place. The nature is unique too with the flora and insects. So respect Gotland. It should be treated right. The treasure Island. The island hides so much still so to check with a metal detector should be a fact before exploiting the nature more. It is terrible to ignore Gotland. Be careful with the Island. See but not touch before checking the ground as a routine. Welcome to Gotland, the treasure vaggon. So much more treasues to find there. The nature is very rich on different flowers and insects too. A very good video for the world to see. I wish it was longer. Gotland is majestic. Thank you very much.
The land is for the living…not the dead. What would they even think of the idea?
Vikings suck. Why would anyone want to remember anything about the savages. Leave them forgotten in a horrible past. They came. Raped pillaged burned innocent farmers and villagers. Orcs. Marauding orcs. Like russian orcs are doing in Ukraine. Who wants to remember baby rapers.
Wrong. New structures on most parts of Gotland requires a geophys radar scan at minimum before building permit is granted.
No construction gets building permission without an archaeological ground check first, of course. We are not stupid...
Yet another episode with MUSIC TOO LOUD.
Tl/Dr: nothing much found. Speculation with backing music and people in historical costume supplied instead.
G.o.t no gragons though
Why is the back ground music so loud, dont you want people to hear whay your saying
#no dragons
Those trees are very green?? Are they growing on some iron rich medium like blood…
Trees don’t need iron to grow
@@soniaalvarez543 , actually it’s one of the necessary elements for plant and animal life; or my PhD Soils teacher was making us memorize it and a couple dozen elements to torture us(?).
UMMM. not true the Gotlanders did not stand as one, the damn merchants closed and locked the gates to the defenders, that's why the battle happened where it did. There are a-lot of people very interested in History, it's much harder now to pull one on them.
Most of the merchants weren't Gotlanders but from other parts of Europe. This video is only a small portion of the documentary series. It explains things better in the full doc. The series Medieval Dead was on Amazon prime, I watched it earlier this year so it should still be there. There were 8 episodes and I believe they spent 2 on Gotland.
Visby was a Hanseatic League city. They were not even Scandinavians, mostly Germans. They almost never allowed the Gotlanders inside the city walls on a normal day. Visby at that time didn't have any association with Gotland other than being a physical location.
@@daneaxe6465 oh, I didn't say what nationally the merchants where.
@@robo5013 oh, I didn't say what nationally the merchants where.
@@adamtaylor7412 What does that have to do with anything? You said, "UMMM. not true the Gotlanders did not stand as one, the damn merchants closed and locked the gates to the defenders," which implies the merchants were Gotlanders. Which they weren't. That is what I pointed out. I also pointed out that this was the second of two episodes talking about the invasion of Gotland and it was explained in the other episode what happened at the city. In this episode when it states that the Gotlanders stood as one they were referring to the 1st battle, the one that took place in the field where they were looking for mass graves in the video. No one was trying to "pull one" on anybody.
The Visby Wall could keep a peasants army out, but not a King with a rented Professional, German army and "modern weapons" for a siege. I suppose that King Waldemar gave Visby a "Mafia Offer" to keep out of the war, and after all no love excisted between the farmers and the town, as they had fougth a Civil War about 20 years before, I think to remember?
The civil war was about 80 years before (around the 1280s), and part of the reason why the town wall was built in the first place.
Folks might have erected the cross at a crossroads for maximum visibility.
Or you might just push the enemy into a narrow place between two woods and get stuck in the mud and peppered with arrows....
Which isn't possible on a summer dry Gotland.
@@SonsOfLorgar If you know more/have local knowledge, then fine, accepted. I just found it funny how having woods at your back was presented automatically as a bad thing.
There was no mud that hot and dry summer of 1361.
@@Quzinqa1122 Sure, thanks, see my reply above.
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misleading title..no massgraves.
It's the sign of the old Teutonic Druid cross of the old Suncult . They offerd their horses alife by hanging them from a tree ,to their god .
he was valdermar the 3
where is gotland
I didn't that had been Vikings Vs Goths cool.
Vilings vs. Goths sounds like that would be interesting!!
Dead not debt
the defenders may not have been able to bury their dead. They lost and the invaders dominated the field of battle.
i ment the 4th
Why the F .. do every one of these archeological expeditions have like 1 week before .. the weather sets in lol ..
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nice one
those are farm fields plowed for years,wouldnt there be a great knowledge of artifacts already? they act as if they are the first peoples to look for stuff?
Apparently police have nothing to go on...
Its MÄSTERBY not "Masterby"... Mäster (Champion/skillful/specialist) - by (village). Masterby is half English and half Swedish... sloppy to say the least. So either call it Mästerby or Mastervillage.
I know Danny Gott .
Waste of 46 minutes. They went out, they searched for a few days and found little or nothing of interest.
The battle "may have been here," "may have been there."
Honestly, I don't believe that no one in the past hundred years, ever thought of shining a light across the engravings on the cross.
There are several much more interesting videos about the battle of Visby.
Theres a prívate owned graveyard next to our small Home development . It's around 65 Miles S of Seattle. In Roy,Wa
Maybe 100 graves or so? Graves date back To 1850s? A lot of the pre 1900 graves are infants and children ?
I'm from WV and have graveyard from a similar era near me It's exactly the same. Filled with infants and young kids.
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We think of the Danes as a progressive, peace-loving people, but I think it's best that we don't test their patience.