@@Schlei602 They meant why would you choose an emoji shedding a tear after having described a location near your work. Was this Peninsula the site of another mass killing?
I think the fact that their remains date to around St. Bryce's day massacre is quite telling. This is all speculative of course, but I imagine them as being local Scandinavian settlers and newcomers, who just arrived to England in time to be singled out for that event. Perhaps the lack of previous wounds suggest that all men of fighting age, regardless of if they actually did, we round up and executed in different localities. That being said the lack of wounds also doesn't necessarily rule them out as warriors. Very interesting mystery.
Question Ragnar LoafBrook . Bad spelling I know .. anyway He wasnt killed in a viper pit . I thing yes Britten or France . You got any information on this ? Take Care .
@@Lucky..B That's what the story says. They say he was killed in a viper pit by king Ælla of Northumbria. Whether or not the story is true is a debated subject.
@@mouthforwar17 I don't know if this documentary in particular mentions it. But i know their teeth were filed, probably from a different documentary or article.
Its unlikely these men were captured in a raid or something like that, if they were most would have evidence of wounds from battle. This many Vikings woulld not have surrendered without being wounded.
Interesting that DNA from teeth shows where childhood was spent. DNA from femur shows mid life and DNA from ribs shows where you spent later years. Never heard of that.
@@TheMaxKidsit is fascinating what they can discover now. Ancient cave paintings in France and Spain, chalk figures in England have been re dated using modern techniques. Often moving dates backward.
It’s not DNA that shows that. It’s strontium (Sr) isotope testing. Learned about it in an archaeology, but forget the details of it. I think it has something to do with water sources (?) in different geographical areas having a different isotope signature. And this gets locked into your bones when they develop. (From consuming local water). They are able to determine where you spent your childhood because your adult teeth form once at a young age. So it’s permanently locked in. The rest of your skeletal continuously remodels itself throughout life. So they can determine more recent travels from the bones that most recently rebuilt themselves. …. All this only works if they already have Sr isotope samples from the geographic areas they are comparing it too.
If you look at the Y-chromosomes of the two skeletons that had their DNA published online, you can see that this viking party was a mix of scandinavians. One looks swedish, and the other one danish. The danish skeleton, as of current data, did not produce any direct offspring, but a semi distant cousin of his produced several danish and english modern day descendants. So his danish viking cousin had more sucess, perhaps a settler rather than a viking.
No defensive wounds? No old wounds evidenced in the bones.. they weren't fighters. It looks like they weren't raiders, but maybe settlers. Evidence in the ribs said they hadn't been there long. Probably newly come to find land to settle and someone didn't want more Norsemen there.
They could even have been traders or part of a fishing fleet from Friesland for all we know. Vikings were ready to do more than just pillage.Some groups were well known for trading.
Way too many scenes of snarling, grimacing men about to be killed. We kind of got the picture after the first 10 times. I'd rather have seen more about the skeletons themselves or their DNA rather than the same actors faces over and over and...
We know that even back into prehistory people had combs and mostly lived near water. It always annoys me that re enactments of pre urban peoples show them caked in years of dirt. In later large urban areas like London people so poor they lived on the streets might well have.looked like this but even the city poor had access to wells. Where did this idea that all our ancestors were filthy come from? Ps mind you an office I worked in in the 1980s employed a window cleaner who washed once a year on Christmas Eve. No idea why. But he stunk. His skin was a sort of grubby grey colour.
Not every man of Scandinavian descent was a "Viking" warrior. Obviously, the Viking world had to supported by farmers and laborers. It is possible that the local British population rounded up any male Scandinavian settlers it could find and systematically dispatchng class.
If ever a place needed sweet grass and sage smudging. Oy. Has anyone thought to call up a priest of Odin ( yes, they're out there) to hold a service for those men? Their deaths were horrendous.
I myself am Christian, but also wondered if a respectful rebruial of these men according to their customs couldn´t be arranged, if not now, at least in the future. That was a horrendous deed.
Maybe it was an ambush. If the Saxons were fed up. They could have planned to get the next ship arriving. Which could tie in to the execution location being ideal. They over whelmed the arriving vikings. And it was said they weren't in England long. Just a thought.
Wouldn't it be amazing to find recent decendants somewhere in Danmark with the same DNA. The isotopic analysis shows from where they are. Amazing site btw.!!!!
What happened to the skulls of the bodies which weren’t found? Used for soup bowls, ground up to fertilize fields. Thoughts? Did they match the skulls to individuals?
Probably stuck on spikes near what is known as the outer sandspit near the alexandra gardens on the melcome regis side as a warning to others who dare to mess with the dor sett 😊😊
'They had annoyed the locals in some way' Classic English understatement! I know I am looking at this from 21st century sensibilities, but this shocked me by its vindictiveness. To all intents and purposes these appear to be unarmed Victims, slaughtered in a way that was not only brutal, but designed to ensure they would not reach an afterlife. And the people who did it were presumably 'Christians' Nice.
Not as terrifying as what happened to the people from what has happened to the women and men now WHO were killed by series killers from now. I will never understand why or how they would do that
Eleven of these men are my genetic relatives. I am a First Sergeant (Ret.) of Infantry in the U.S. Army. Perhaps I have some of their courage and determination to face my enemies, no matter the circumstances. I like to think so at least. But the heritage of these relatives of mine did not die with them that day. It lives on in me and the others here who share that genetic relationship. They died defying their enemies. What more could a warrior ask than that.
How did you find out ? Such a long ago occurrence - amazing . I couldn't get past my great grandparents on Ancestry , and so do you know what happened through family stories ?
They weren't waiting to be found, they were resting in peace. Who gives these ghouls the right to dig up men from their graves? Shame on the ghouls digging up graves.
tHE SCANDINAVIAN RUNIC STONES say, that warriors from different parts of scandinavia sought to the renowned kings & chieftains of the age to serve under them and HOPEFULLE gain richdom on the raids. an example is a swedish runic stone saying "I was Canutes man"--- probably Canute the great.
Scandinavian ppl but not warriors ie no previous wounds ..ppl that lived there during the danelaw .so not warriors but civilians so to speak. And the was a known norse settlement there. My theroy is the were part of the st brices day massacre . Thats my theroy..my opinion the remains ..all the remains should brought out of storage and not on display and shipped back to Scandinavia and buried in a mass grave there with as much honor as could be .at least their bones could rest in native soil .
The modern day vikings need to check their diets. And history repeats at Weymouth as bibby sweden sits at berth with a crowd of foreign Raiders abourd .
History with many mysteries, but the suffering and death was very real
Thanks for this brilliant documentation. I'm working at the Viking Museum Haithabu, and in front of it we have the Peninsula of Angeln.
Why the tear
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@@Schlei602 They meant why would you choose an emoji shedding a tear after having described a location near your work. Was this Peninsula the site of another mass killing?
@WilliamofMunich no, it wasn't. Thx for mentioning the tear. Sorry, it was a mistake ... ( my broad thumb). I'll remove it.
I think the fact that their remains date to around St. Bryce's day massacre is quite telling. This is all speculative of course, but I imagine them as being local Scandinavian settlers and newcomers, who just arrived to England in time to be singled out for that event. Perhaps the lack of previous wounds suggest that all men of fighting age, regardless of if they actually did, we round up and executed in different localities. That being said the lack of wounds also doesn't necessarily rule them out as warriors. Very interesting mystery.
Question Ragnar LoafBrook . Bad spelling I know .. anyway He wasnt killed in a viper pit . I thing yes Britten or
France . You got any information on this ?
Take Care .
Many of them had their teeth filed, which historians interpret as a warrior / viking group identity mark.
@@Lucky..B That's what the story says. They say he was killed in a viper pit by king Ælla of Northumbria. Whether or not the story is true is a debated subject.
@@Matstarx25 i must not remember or may have missed it but did they mention any of these bodies having filed teeth?
@@mouthforwar17 I don't know if this documentary in particular mentions it. But i know their teeth were filed, probably from a different documentary or article.
Its unlikely these men were captured in a raid or something like that, if they were most would have evidence of wounds from battle. This many Vikings woulld not have surrendered without being wounded.
Incredibly fascinating investigation..a mystery and tough days, really awesome documental!!
Interesting that DNA from teeth shows where childhood was spent. DNA from femur shows mid life and DNA from ribs shows where you spent later years. Never heard of that.
It’s not DNA, it’s the isotopes of a number of elements associated with different locations, soils, diets…
@@Theravadinbuto thank you for your answer!
Well that’s pretty stunning information.
@@TheMaxKidsit is fascinating what they can discover now. Ancient cave paintings in France and Spain, chalk figures in England have been re dated using modern techniques. Often moving dates backward.
It’s not DNA that shows that. It’s strontium (Sr) isotope testing. Learned about it in an archaeology, but forget the details of it. I think it has something to do with water sources (?) in different geographical areas having a different isotope signature. And this gets locked into your bones when they develop. (From consuming local water). They are able to determine where you spent your childhood because your adult teeth form once at a young age. So it’s permanently locked in. The rest of your skeletal continuously remodels itself throughout life. So they can determine more recent travels from the bones that most recently rebuilt themselves. …. All this only works if they already have Sr isotope samples from the geographic areas they are comparing it too.
Excellent documentary 👏👏💯💯
If you look at the Y-chromosomes of the two skeletons that had their DNA published online, you can see that this viking party was a mix of scandinavians.
One looks swedish, and the other one danish. The danish skeleton, as of current data, did not produce any direct offspring, but a semi distant cousin of his produced several danish and english modern day descendants. So his danish viking cousin had more sucess, perhaps a settler rather than a viking.
Really interesting. Hope one day you find out more.🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
Love watching this viking dead series of documentaries. 👏💯👏
Do you want someone to dig up your grave a few years after you pass?
I wonder if the 3 missing skulls were kept as trophies of sorts.
I thought that too
Probably sent to others as a message.
Maybe, and why those three?
Those heads were probably put on a pike either on top of the burial site or on the beach as a warning/ statement to stay away
The fact of not having previous (healed or not) wounds is the one that I think is the most interesting. This is a great and curious find.
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Yes, intrigued by that as well, along with the fact that they seem to have roamed over much of northern Europe!
I do too. I think they may have been settlers
No defensive wounds? No old wounds evidenced in the bones.. they weren't fighters. It looks like they weren't raiders, but maybe settlers. Evidence in the ribs said they hadn't been there long. Probably newly come to find land to settle and someone didn't want more Norsemen there.
They could even have been traders or part of a fishing fleet from Friesland for all we know. Vikings were ready to do more than just pillage.Some groups were well known for trading.
Lovely doco
Way too many scenes of snarling, grimacing men about to be killed. We kind of got the picture after the first 10 times. I'd rather have seen more about the skeletons themselves or their DNA rather than the same actors faces over and over and...
The actors weren't young people.
People from Scandinavia were not long haired or long bearded. They shaved at least one time a week.
We know that even back into prehistory people had combs and mostly lived near water. It always annoys me that re enactments of pre urban peoples show them caked in years of dirt. In later large urban areas like London people so poor they lived on the streets might well have.looked like this but even the city poor had access to wells.
Where did this idea that all our ancestors were filthy come from?
Ps mind you an office I worked in in the 1980s employed a window cleaner who washed once a year on Christmas Eve. No idea why. But he stunk. His skin was a sort of grubby grey colour.
Great video ❤
Brilliant
Not every man of Scandinavian descent was a "Viking" warrior. Obviously, the Viking world had to supported by farmers and laborers. It is possible that the local British population rounded up any male Scandinavian settlers it could find and systematically dispatchng class.
If ever a place needed sweet grass and sage smudging. Oy. Has anyone thought to call up a priest of Odin ( yes, they're out there) to hold a service for those men? Their deaths were horrendous.
I myself am Christian, but also wondered if a respectful rebruial of these men according to their customs couldn´t be arranged, if not now, at least in the future. That was a horrendous deed.
At that time they could be Christian
The earliest recorded viking attack was at Portland, a peninsula clearly visible from the pit site.
Maybe it was an ambush. If the Saxons were fed up. They could have planned to get the next ship arriving. Which could tie in to the execution location being ideal. They over whelmed the arriving vikings. And it was said they weren't in England long. Just a thought.
I have dna that matches individuals from this place. Fascinating imo.
How interesting - your gr gr gr gr gr(you get the point, LOL) could have been a spectator. Fascinating to think about.
Me too. Should they display the skulls of our ancestors in a museum? I would think not.
Wouldn't it be amazing to find recent decendants somewhere in Danmark with the same DNA. The isotopic analysis shows from where they are.
Amazing site btw.!!!!
Haha the guy had glasses
Are proper burials given after these excavations are done?
They got caught raiding and suffered the consequences.
When was this discovery made? OH! Discovery of bones was in 2009.
They didn't come to fetch some scrubberies...
This was clearly a crime. We are still waiting for an apololgy!!!
Greetings from Denmark.
Soz.
England is waiting for an apology for killing their people for decades
Well said brother ..American by birth but danish by blood .
What happened to the skulls of the bodies which weren’t found? Used for soup bowls, ground up to fertilize fields. Thoughts? Did they match the skulls to individuals?
Probably stuck on spikes near what is known as the outer sandspit near the alexandra gardens on the melcome regis side as a warning to others who dare to mess with the dor sett 😊😊
'They had annoyed the locals in some way' Classic English understatement!
I know I am looking at this from 21st century sensibilities, but this shocked me by its vindictiveness. To all intents and purposes these appear to be unarmed Victims, slaughtered in a way that was not only brutal, but designed to ensure they would not reach an afterlife. And the people who did it were presumably 'Christians' Nice.
Very sad 😔
Evidence that humans have always been brutal.
Come on just driving to the place in the film they show little "hills?" There are so much to discover everywhere.
Well, human life wasn't with much back then. Just like today...
It was to the people themselves and their families. Or why did folk seek revenge?
I keep thinking how strong these men that did the executions had to be! To cause such destruction to the bones it's incredible but also terrifying.
Not as terrifying as what happened to the people from what has happened to the women and men now WHO were killed by series killers from now. I will never understand why or how they would do that
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St. Bryce's day.
Barbaric people 😢😖
Yeah the Vikings
I could have done with less gruesome sensationalism. Missed bits and pieces because I couldn't stomach the gore.
So much speculation.
That's all they have is speculation
Interesting show but there are more ads than even TV
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Eleven of these men are my genetic relatives. I am a First Sergeant (Ret.) of Infantry in the U.S. Army. Perhaps I have some of their courage and determination to face my enemies, no matter the circumstances. I like to think so at least. But the heritage of these relatives of mine did not die with them that day. It lives on in me and the others here who share that genetic relationship. They died defying their enemies. What more could a warrior ask than that.
Only two Ridgeway hill mass grave skeletons has had their DNA published online.
Thank you for your service sir
How did you find out ? Such a long ago occurrence - amazing . I couldn't get past my great grandparents on Ancestry , and so do you know what happened through family stories ?
Would they be Viking warriors if they had no injuries apart from their beheading
You reap what you sow.
They weren't waiting to be found, they were resting in peace. Who gives these ghouls the right to dig up men from their graves? Shame on the ghouls digging up graves.
The breathy execution scenes were really over the top 🙄
No swords with them so none would go to Valhalla, a terrible end for any Viking Warrior. Perhaps they were Christians though.
Proof that not using the port of entry, you're are raiders and thieves.
tHE SCANDINAVIAN RUNIC STONES say, that warriors from different parts of scandinavia sought to the renowned kings & chieftains of the age to serve under them and HOPEFULLE gain richdom on the raids. an example is a swedish runic stone saying "I was Canutes man"--- probably Canute the great.
if you say so.
If they were Vikings , wouldn't they have fought to their death instead of being captured ?
They lost a battle and were taken to be executed I guess
@@SandileNgwenya-gv7nx I still think I would have thought to my death instead of being taken captive and executed.
Try to stick to the facts and not speculation
@@novitahnelson8251 I'm not speculating. Juts a question on what I thought they would have done.
Do you have expertise in Viking history?
Most likely Farmers that immigrated from Scandinavia to find a better life. Instead they found the end of life
Sun surrounded by clouds?? Weird. There must be clouds in space.
Scandinavian ppl but not warriors ie no previous wounds ..ppl that lived there during the danelaw .so not warriors but civilians so to speak. And the was a known norse settlement there. My theroy is the were part of the st brices day massacre . Thats my theroy..my opinion the remains ..all the remains should brought out of storage and not on display and shipped back to Scandinavia and buried in a mass grave there with as much honor as could be .at least their bones could rest in native soil .
I don't know who they were. But I bet their death led to much more death.
If these dead men had no evidence of being warriors, maybe they were sacrificed slaves.
Maybe competing tribes
How to take an interesting 20 min show and stretch it to 45 min of endless scenes of execution. Totally unnecessary.
Totally agree, un-necessary
Could these be rather like the Orient Express type deaths - Where each person of the executing group beheaded one prisoner each in revenge.
The modern day vikings need to check their diets. And history repeats at Weymouth as bibby sweden sits at berth with a crowd of foreign Raiders abourd .
A few of my r1bU106 ancestors were found at Ridgeway Hill
Some of mine, maybe there too.
A severed head can't plot.
I think the were traders
They were Vikings it literally in the era when Vikings were attacking England
I'm related to one of those viking invaders by DNA.
I bet they were Black Vikings!
Sacrificed slaves
Slaves or servants of some kind?
Boring boring boring
Wow just like Palestine!
retired4yrs been watching time team etc hated fkn school, now i can sit here and ,,,,watch wat they were triny 2 say
Probably a ship raid