HNoMS Eidsvold - Guide 213
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- The Eidsvold class, coastal defence ships of the Royal Norwegian Navy, are today's subject.
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Also, rate my "Norge", finally found out how to say it!
What happened to the 15 inch guns in singapore
what was the primary idea behind the p class cruisers? since ships such as renown and admiral class existed, why simply not build more scharnhorsts, which displace slightly more, but are moreddurable and have better guns and sail faster. same for the O class bcs, the gneisenou with 2x3 380s has same gun power, more armor and similar speed
British efforts to remove helgoland?
@@Drachinifel the pronunciation was pretty good!
Info: “Tordenskjold” = “Thundershield” translated. He was a famous Vice Admiral in the Royal Dano-Norwegian Navy in 1705 to 1720.
Thank you sea going farer.
and it's a kick ass name
The Swedes didn't like him 😁
@@iberiksoderblom I don't know much about this naval commander. What was the "beef" between the two countries? Thanks.
Tordenskjold.. the man on the matches
The pronountiation of ”Norge” is much better than the Narvik video, allmost like a norwegian
Well Done Mr. Drach
@dimapez Still a pretty good effort. I am sure that it is not easy to try to pronounce names in just about every language in the world
I doesn't matter. It's for an English speaking audience
@@tonyalanmarchant7330 It matters. People from the respective country are more likely to watch the video. As a native I didn't understand the name of one of the ships for instance. I'm not saying it was overall bad - because it wasn't - it does however need a little fine tuning.
@dimapez In Swedish, the pronunciation would be "norje", but in Norwegian, the video is completely correct to pronounce it "norge".
Much better I say 👏👏👏
My grand uncle served on the HNoMS Norge on the 9th of April. He was lucky and survived the attack and got taken up by one of the destroyers. He survived the war and wrote a book about his experience. I have one in my bookshelf to this day signed by him. Thanks for sharing the story of the Eidsvold-class.
What is book title and is it still available?
Thank you for mentioning a Norwegian ship Drach! By the way, the Tordenskjold-class translates to The Thundershield-class, which you might find more to your liking
Considering its named after Peter Tordenskjold I don’t really think you should translate it. It’s a name of a person.
I’m sure you know who Tordenskjold was. My point is more that names really shouldn’t be translated.
Guess they were aiming for the Thunderchild with the name, but got it wrong somehow and ended up with Thundershield instead...
@@TommyGlint Considering that the name "Tordenskiold" (and not the modern and Norwegian variant Tordenskjold) is a constructed name that was given to him when he was knighted, it makes good sense to translate the name into English in this context. Peter Tordenskiold was originally named Peter Wessel and was born in Trondheim. He ended up as vice admiral in the Danish-Norwegian fleet.
@@TommyGlint and plenty of people today have last names that translate to "son-of-the-village-priest" though that is not as epic as "thunder-shield". Also of course, in the case of "child-of...." names, the translation is usually longer than the name so, yeah that should be transliterated not translated.
But is it wrong to translate Native American names into english?
When names are created out of words I see nothing wrong with translating them. We know who/what is being referred to from context, especially in English.
From what I understand, in some cultures it's the words that make up the name and what they mean that is more important.
Granted of course, there are plenty of names that just have no translation because they aren't words at this point.
@@georgebizos944 Its a cool name. Its probably a cool story behind the name. Maybe he survived a thunderstorm. It may be metaforicaly or even ironic. Maybe he had a cool scar that looked like a thunder-shield. Maybe it was just his nickname during service.
The Pre-fix "HNoMS" was first taken into use in 1946. It is, however, often used to describe norwegian navy ships during ww2, and some destroyers (NO: Jager) that served in ww2 got their prefix after the war, so it would be correct. "Eidsvold" and "Norge" is designated as P/S, meaning "Panserskip", using their class/ type rather that the navy they where serving under. Sources: "Fregatter i storm og stille - Marinens "langskip" 1960-2007" by Børresen, Gjelsten, Kristiansen, Lilleheim and Sivertsen, Bergen, 2007.
and "Norske Marinefartøy", Mo, 2008.
In the book "Soldatens haandbok" from 1911, the P/S "Eidsvold" and "Norge" where described like this: Our Panserskipe are now somewhat old. They are being outmatched by newer technology. That was in 1911. The Norwegian governments ruling in the 1930s thought this where just fine. No need for rearmament.
Very nice video of Eidsvold! Good pronounciation of Eidsvold, and "Norge" is also comming along! :)
It's quite disappointing, when a five minute guide really only runs for five minutes
Look up drach treating the three battles of Narvik. It sure sucked for Eidsvoll/Norge, but it was the first theatre of war where the German war machine stalled and essentially lost the battle.
He can't do five hours every week.
I was sinking the same...
Yeah, what's up with that?
@@dogefort8410 ah yes, we are liberating the shit out of you and protecting you from British invasion by invading before they can. Shame these two just got the old gank and spank as hostilities opened. They would probably have given the Z class a good run had visibility been more than pissing distance.
I love how these videos end in a terse manner with no epilogue. "Ship was torpedoed and magazine exploded and that was the end of that. That's it for this video, thanks for watching..." It gives this series a certain personality.
A little bit more info about the class: the Eidsvold is named after the location where the Norwegian constitution was signed in 1814 and the Norge is named after the country itself. Great video and really good pronunciation drach!
In my opinion, both Eidsvold and Norge were avenged, HNoMS Stord was one of the destroyers that sunk Scharnhorst. Scharnhorst was of course based in Norway, so Stord helped make sure that as few Germans came back to Norway as possible.
Not to mention what happened to Blucher. The Kreigsmarine paid a steep price for the occupation of Norway.
@@micuu1 Quote by commander Birger Eriksen of Oscarsborg, morning of April 9th, 1940: “Visst fanden skal der skytes med skarpt!” Translation: “Like hell we are gonna shot with live rounds!” as an answer from confused questions from the crew if they were going to shoot actual sharp ammunition at the ships. He had gotten notified by the fortress of Oslo-fjord that enemy ships had refused to yield when warning shots was fired across their bow and was heading in toward Oslo. Based on the info he had he took the decision to open fire without warning shots and do as much damage they could. At 04.21 that morning he opened up all the artillery and fired every torpedo the fortress had at the first ship in the enemy flotilla. That happened to be Blücher. “Enten blir jeg stilt for krigsrett, eller så blir jeg helt. Fyr!»/«Im either going to face martial law or I’m going to be a hero. Open fire!” He delayed the landing of troops in Oslo and enabled the government and the king to grab the royal treasury and escape.
@@pederb82 as a swede, that dude is probably in my top 10 badass scandinavians of all time
@@pederb82 that's awesome. I love how Norway has a bunch of 'torpedo fortresses' built around their fjords.
@@micuu1 The only reason I didn't mention Blucher was because that ship was sunk before Eidsvold and Norge.
I just wanted to say how much I love this channel ... Keep up the good work ... thanks 😊
Good video, but I wish some mention was made about the captain in the last battle. From Wiki: Captain Willoch hurried towards the bridge, while shouting "På plass ved kanonene. Nå skal vi slåss, gutter!" ("Man the guns. We're gonna fight, boys!") The Germans, worried she was building speed to ram, torpedoed her. Only 6 men were pulled from the frigid water, 175 were lost. Norge, when also torpedoed, had 90 crew rescued while 101 were lost.
A tragic end to two fine ships. More fantastic input Drach. Your chanel is a wonderful resource and will live on as a classic.
Just a very minor quibble about the title of the otherwise excellent piece; it is a tiny bit anachronistic to use the prefix HNoMS (His Norwegian Majesty’s Ship), which of course is the usual translation of the prefix KNM (Kongelige Norske Marine). The KNM prefix was not formally used until AFTER the Second World War. The official prefix for the whole of these ships’ career was simply PS (for Panserskip, aka “Armoured Ship”).
Incidentally, the name “Eidsvold” comes from the location where the Norwegian Constitution was signed on May 17th, 1814, thus ensuring that Norway and Sweden would be independent countries joined in a “Personal Union” under a Swedish King, but safeguarding the Norwegian Parliament’s independence and power to order these armoured ships.
As I said, a very minor quibble, keep up the good work, - I am subscribed!
Ships of foreign nations being built by private businesses.
The British during WW1: "It's free real estate"
Not exactly Free Real Estate, since if the warship is at least being built for a neutral nation, generally the British Government will pay for the ships or return them to that nation following the end of hostilities
Not doing what they did would've been incredibly wasteful.
we paid Norway for the two ships mate. free never came into it. also the Norwegian fleet stayed at home for most of the war. so what exactly would they have used them for?
Man, have you guys ever heard of a joke?
@@horationelson2440 how dare you joke on the internet... insert karen rant here
You know, the Kregsmarine could have been a lot more effective if the Dutch and Norwegians weren't so good at dragging their feet while repairing Hitler's ships, and doing a half-assed job when they did.
A fun story from the Lofoten islands in Norway during ww2.. The local gestapo bastard had a motorbike accident and had to have his face patched together at the local doctor office. The Norwegian doctor did the worst stitching he possible could. When taking off the bandages, the face looked even more tragic than it was before, resulting that people called him “fish face”and laughed / joked behind his back.. He wanted to execute the doctor because this, but was convinced not to by another german who had fallen in love in Norway and found himself a Norwegian wife..
The irony is Nazi ideology didn't intend war with Danes, Norwegians, Dutch, or Britons. All were viewed as part of the Germanic racial elite, destined to join Germany as leaders of the World, crushing Untermenschen together for the good of the good German Volk. Hitler went on a lot about how he loved the British Empire and saw it working with Germany. Practically the only reason Norway or the Netherlands were invaded is because the British and French declared war on Germany over Poland, which required some strategy to prevent the British blockading Germany to death like they did in WW1. Funny, innit?
mate are you implying that both the Dutch and the Norwegians failed to work to there normally very high standards on the German ships placed in there care. i'm shocked that you would suggest such a thing. :)
Thank you, Drachinifel.
Best first comment I've seen for a long while
Yea
Now, please do "HDMS Najaden" (1811). Battle of Lyngør explains why there were not a significant Norwegian naval tradition after the Napoleonic wars.
Finally! Been waiting ages for the Eidsvold
Some rich pickings in the Norwegian Navy especially since a bunch of it saw action in WW2. Thanks for posting. :)
If you wand a contemporary Swedish ship i suggest HMS Manligheten (Manliness) as Swedish armored ships got names from historic Swedish ships of the line at the time.
She had an extensive career and had a major rebuild during ww2.
She served as the command ship of the local defence squadron on the west coast with its base in Gothenburg.
There she actually hid a boat smuggling jews from Denmark behind her while the captain talked to a german patrol boat on the other side like some 1960s adventure war movie.
She also took part in the Swedish rebasing of the fleet in 1905 to the west coast in anticipation of an amphibious invasion of norway in the Oslo Fjord if it came to war.
She led the search for the missing submarine HMS Ulven in 1943 and was the first Swedish ship to discover german anti sweep devices as she swept a german minefield.
One of these exploded killing many on her deck.
Very good pronounciation this time. Thw bravery of the crews of both ships cannot be ignored. They didnt want to surrender and fought to the end.
Why am I awake already.. at least there is fresh Drach!
Thanks for the holiday present. I love coast defence ships!
History and coffee on a Saturday morning. Like clockwork. Priceless.
I can't help it... when I read the "HNoMS" in the title my mind conjured up an image of a freighter laden with candy - because "noms"...
“Hans Norske Maiestets Skip” literally *His Norwegian Majesty’s Ship* 😁
@@kristianhartlevjohansen3541 I figured as much, but thank you for the translation. Still can't help the weird way my mind works sometimes...
A story about Tordenskjold (Peter Wesel, knighted Tordenskjold):
26.-27. july 1714.
After many hours of fighting, Wessel had used almost all the ammunition and sent a dinghy over to inform his opponent that for this reason he had to stop the fight, but hoped that they met another time and could continue the fight - unless he could borrow gunpowder and bullets. of the enemy; however, it was rejected. The two frigates then sailed up side by side, and the captains brought out each other's bowls (skål) before departing and sailing away.
Thanks to all the Norwegian commentators for all the extra information which has really added to this video. Incidentally was it normal to be re-named when receiving a knighthood in Norway or was Peter Wessel's a one off?
@@neilbuckley1613 Norway was Danish at the time. Peter Wesel aka Tordenskjold, was a Danish Naval officer.
It wasn't normal to get renamed, but Peter was at the time already known and admired by his knickname Tordenskjold / Thundershield.
Coastal battleship, my second favorite after riverine monitors.
I wish he would do one on the Insect Class. For those interested, I can recommend A. Cecil Hampshire's "Armed with Stings".
Thanks for doing one on the Eidsvold. From Norway.
Last time I was this yearly Admiral Yi was still kicking around the Japanese Navy. sm
Is that before or after he got demoted again?
Best way to start the day!
Nå skal vi sloss gutter!
edit: also, congrats on the best Norwegian pronounciation of Norge I have heard on YT for a long time.
The reason Norway and Denmark parted was due to the fact that the Royal Navy took possession of the entire Danish Navy after the attack on Copenhagen in 1807 (which then became the first capital to be bombarded with rockets - but that could be another story for you..). The Norwegians were starving due to the Danes not being able to ship food to them, and Norway was more or less given freely to the Swedes on the condition that they would feed the Norwegians.
This is not entirely correct. It was the Danish Crown Prince, Christian Frederik, who was also governor of Norway, who initiated the Norwegian constitution in Eidsvold in 1814. The Danes themselves did not get a constitution until 1849. The point is that Norway after 434 years as part of the Danish Norwegian realm was for all practical purposes a part of Denmark in line with, for example, Jutland. Norwegians made great careers in the kingdom, such as Tordenskiold, Huitfeldt, Juel and Holberg - and Norwegian cities were developed such as Christiania (Oslo), Larvig (Larvik), Frederikshald (Fredrikstad) and Christiansand (Kristiansand).
In 1814 the treaty of Kiel between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and the Kingdom of Sweden on one side and the Kingdoms of Denmark and Norway on the other side was carried out. Denmark-Norway had lost the war and it was decided that Norway should be transferred to Sweden as a compensation for the damage of the war and as a guarantee that Denmark could not rebuild itself into a large military maritime nation. The Norwegians were never asked what they wanted and went to war against Sweden (which was supported by the Royal Navy).
Crown Prince Christian Frederik was the Norwegian army commander and it was at this time that it became clear to the Norwegians that with the British blockade of the waters around southern Norway and the Swedes' control of the border, it became impossible to survive in the long run in relation to the civilian population and, for example, food and the raw material situation. The battles on land were equal and the Swedes gradually got long supply lines, which made further progression on Norwegian soil uncertain. The Swedes therefore offered peace against the Norwegians being able to keep their own parliament (Stortinget) and government in a union with Sweden. This was accepted by the Norwegians, including Christian Frederik, who immediately returned to Denmark. For Norway, the union with Sweden was relatively traumatic. The Swedes were totally uninterested in Norway and the country remained in a backwater in terms of development - much more than the country ever was in the union with Denmark. The desire to liberate the country from Sweden only grew among the Norwegians (who by the way still spoke and wrote Danish). 91 years later in 1905, the Norwegians had enough and declared independence from Sweden. After a plebiscite confirming the election of Prince Carl of Denmark as the new king of Norway (mainly because he was married to Princess Maud of Wales, daughter of King Edward VII), he accepted the Storting's offer of the throne and took the regnal name of Haakon VII.
@@Hvitserk67
Your denial do not alter the facts:
Quote from the Danish National Museum of History:
"In 1808 destroyed the British the last ship of the line in the Danish-Norwegian fleet of Zealand Point, while the newly built vessel Najaden was destroyed close to the Norwegian port Lyngør in 1812. The Danish-Norwegian state hung no longer together, and the Norwegians could not receive regular supplies of the vital grain, causing periods of famine"
End of Quote.
Further has the Norwegian state been either a part of Denmark or in close coorperation herewith since the viking ages. That means before the end of the first millenium and up to the divide in 1814 the two countries had been living and working together.
The peace in Kiel is the term for the conclusion of peace after Denmark's participation in the Napoleonic Wars 1807-1814. It was concluded in the Holstein city of Kiel between Denmark and on the other hand Sweden and Great Britain. Most importantly, it meant that Norway, which had been in union with Denmark since 1380, was ceded to Sweden.
Background to the conclusion of the peace
Since 1807, Denmark had been allied with Napoleon during the Napoleonic Wars and was therefore involved in its fall. In 1813, Holstein and Schleswig were invaded by Russian and Swedish forces, the latter led by Sweden's Crown Prince, Karl Johan. From the Swedish side, it had long been a goal to acquire Norway, and when the Allies needed the Swedish forces for the final showdown with Napoleon, they supported this claim.
The Swedish demand for the cession of Norway
Frederik VI (born 1768, regent 1808-1839) had stubbornly rejected any talk of renunciation throughout the war. When a mediator from neutral Austria arrived in Copenhagen at the end of November 1813 with a proposal that parts of Norway should be ceded in return for Frederik VI to keep the rest of Norway, this was rejected. Under the impression of the situation in the duchies, however, he eventually agreed to accept Austrian mediation.
The Swedish Crown Prince Karl Johan accepted a ceasefire on 15 December 1813, but did not want to know about Austrian mediation. On the contrary, he demanded that the whole of Norway be renounced. He made two demands that Frederik VI could choose between: either relinquishing the whole of Norway immediately against promises of territorial and economic compensation later, or relinquishing parts of Norway immediately and the rest of Norway at the conclusion of the peace after the Napoleonic Wars - and without any compensation. Frederik VI said no again, and Karl Johan threatened to resume hostilities. But when Frederik VI was informed on 7 January 1814 that Austria had now given up mediating and instead supported the Swedish demands, he gave in and accepted the Swedish demand for the renunciation of all of Norway.
But true, it was very, very costly for Denmark to ally itself with Napoleon
@@TinaHollner This does not change the fact that Denmark-Norway lost the Napoleonic War on the French side. The raw material situation in Norway hardly played the major role in this context, although it was certainly a challenge for Norway. Politically and strategically, it was absolutely crucial for Great Britain and Sweden that Denmark remained dethroned as a military power (especially when it came to the navy). Therefore, Norway was transferred to Sweden and therefore it was almost 100 years later decisive that Prince Carl of Denmark accepted the offer of the Norwegian throne. In this way, Norway became an ally of Great Britain in a fragile time between major wars in Europe. Another point is that if the food and raw material situation in Norway was really serious, Norway would hardly have declared war on Sweden in 1814.
@@Hvitserk67
Since Norway never has been able to produce enough food for its population, import of grain and other food products have always been vital. Even today and considering the size of Norway and the then very slow distribution of products of any sorts it must have had a serious impact on the Norwegians and starving people often become desperate.
At the Peace of Kiel, the King of Denmark-Norway had to cede Norway to the King of Sweden due to the fact that the kingdoms were on the losing side in the Napoleonic Wars. However, the agreement was not accepted by the Norwegians. The governor, Crown Prince Christian Frederik (yes another Dane), took the lead in a revolt. He convened 21 of the country's most distinguished men for consultation at Eidsvoll's works on 16 February. They advised him not to seize power by virtue of his right of inheritance to the throne of Norway but instead to declare himself regent and convene a Constituent Assembly. After the election in March, 112 men from southern Norway met for the Riksforsamling at Eidsvoll on 10 April. After five weeks, they adopted the constitution of 17 May, declared independence and elected Christian Frederik King of Norway. As leader of the new state, he tried to get support from the great powers, especially from Britain. However, the Allied diplomats who came to Norway to negotiate did not offer any hope of independence.
The Norwegian state under its regent and king had been given peace of mind in the spring and early summer of 1814 to establish and draft its constitution because Sweden's Crown Prince Karl Johan and his Swedish main force had to participate with their allies in the final battle against Emperor Napoleon. But in June they were back in Sweden, and without the support of other powers, Norway had to prepare for an expected Swedish invasion to enforce the Kiel Treaty's provision on Norway's cession to the King of Sweden. Both countries spent the summer mobilizing their armed forces, Sweden for invasion of Norway, Norway to strengthen the defense.
There is a town in Queensland called Eidsvold
At 4:07 there is beautiful example of a square rigged Fearing.
5 Minute Guide Suggestion: *HMS Neptune*
(the Ironclad warship that protested its scrapping... by ramming HMS Victory)
Ah returning to those 5-6 minutes summaries of obscure vessels of small countries. Thank you.
thanks drach!
Nice video thanks for sending
Bjorgvin-class: got "drafted" into the Royal Navy
Rolfe Krake years before: *[laughs in sneaking out from port]*
Got work in an hour, tight, time to get up.
Using english dockyards for your navy be so fine, then boom.
They confiscated your ships
British* dockyards :P .
(don't forget Clydeside & Belfast ~_^ )
I wish you did a story about the norwegian day of invasion WW2, with the sides and fleets, costal forts, etc. British vs Norwegian vs German. We only hear it from the norwegian side, but also the german and british sides are interesting the days around +-9 april 1940
He did an overview of the three battles of Narvik. ruclips.net/video/BNpmwAHa_0I/видео.html
Interesting ships, very informative video. Didn´t know Norway hat any armored ships at all.
Hmmm, that was about 5 minutes long.
What the?
The world has gone mad!
2:00 holy gua-fuakamole ! STOP between gun calibre, size in mm and size in inches ! 3 times in less than 30 seconds !
Very interesting ships. You have now done most of favorite ships and I was hoping you could do the British Centurion class of 1892. Smallest of the pre-dreadnoughts I find the design and concept intere4sting but would like to know more.
I would like to see a youtube on the Arkansas-class monitors, which were the last 4 monitors the USN ordered. One of the 4 was the USS Wyoming BM-10. It was renamed the USS Cheyenne in 1909 to vacate the name for the USS Wyoming BB-32.
But first some context, a sign of good things to come
Excellent pronunciation 👍
ship suggestion: HMS Ulysses
The "U" class destroyer or Alistair Maclean's fictional ship?
Or the 5th Rate or the R class Destroyer?
As a Dane I have never before seen HNoMS before, We have KM as in "den Kongelig Marine" meaning "the Royal navy" and KNM/KSM/KDKM meaning the royal Norwegian/Swedish/Danish navy - Also at least in our own records the ships don't have any naval designation in their name like HMS or USS, but rather they are simply named
In Norwegian the KNM-prefix is used. HNoMS is only used in english. The swedes use HMS (Hans majestäts skepp) in swedish and HSwMS in english i believe.
@@Btt52M That really Interesting, we just call them by their name. Sometimes we say their ship class, for eksample: the Corvette Peter Tordenskiold, but that is all.
A suggestion for ships to review. How about the HMS Erebus and/or the HMS Terror? The ones laid down in the early 1800's and used in various polar expeditions.
You should have mention the casaltious and the inflict on the battle of Narvik, because this was a dramatic loss of life to Norway.
Yeah!
You finally made a 5 Minute Guide that is close to 5 Minutes.
1:03 "Yes _ We love this country"
Norwegian National Anthem....
How could you miss that they took part in the naval buildup durin the Union crisis in 1905 when Sweden moved its entire navy to the waters south of Norway?
The Swedish navy was more than twize as big as the Norwegian navy its core consisting of similar ships with the Äran class being built simultaneously to this ship.
The Äran class was slightly smaller but used an all turret secondary armament had thicker armor and switched to 21cm main guns as they had 4 times the fire rate of the 25cm guns on preceeding ships.
Sweden also had a large number of torpedo boats supported by torpedo cruisers and two new destroyers.
It also had an armored ship under construction as well as a light armored cruiser
Nice work Drac!
Another interesting video thank you.
5:00 How does "Do you see torpedoboats" translates to Norsk?
"Ser Du Torpedobåtene"
Do some VR documentaries on Naval Matters with fly through's and drone view, bullet cam etc...would be awesome...kind of like the World of Warship vids
I wonder what other coastal defence ships norway built, i mean they have quite a few
Heh, does the text at the bottom of the photo starting at 2:58 really say "'Norge' carrying Bjørnsons (dead) body"?
Ja,påvei inn Oslofjorden til begravelsen.
For a man with your knowledge of ships and maritine history, you would probably get a blast (and some good videos)out of looking into the man "Tordenskjold".
A five minute 5MGtW(MoL)! I didn't know that was possible.
What nutcase would want to serve on any sailing man-war? Oh...I did. USN 1983 - 1990. Yes....Nutz! Press on shipmates.
I wonder if the officers and crew fully understood that their 50 year old ships were no match for modern destroyers? If so they were a lot braver than anyone has given them credit for.
They probably knew, but naval tradition and discipline got the better of them....
@@Lassisvulgaris Unfortunately the high cost of building and modernising warships means it is also part of naval tradition that all maritime nations in time of war finish up sending men to die in obsolete warships.
@@davidjones332 Not only warships. Most minor nation's forces will have obsolete equipment, but still send soldiers to fight. I did my conscription in RNoN in 1988/98, when USSR were still the "oppo". I then served 6 months with the UN forces in Lebanon, then was transfered to the National Home Guard (HV), where I served for 30 years, first as conscript, then as volunteer. When I came in, in 1991, we had the M 51 BDU (American M 43), ankle boots with anklets, MG 34F2, originally from WWII, Some had the Colt .45, some the MP 40, lots of the equipment was from WWII. By 2000 we were better equiped, but still expected to do our duty....
Norway has still got conscription, extended to women in 2017. Since the forces are drastically reduced, only a fraction is called in. Still, norway is dependent on conscripts and reserves. Equipment is better, but soldiers are fewer, so were are not that better prepared, as in 1940....
Reaching the depths of obscure now... you should do Yangtze incident of 1949.
Is it possible you will do the other scandinavian ships? Like from Swedish navy and Danish Navy? I mean they arent so much heard about, but some, like the Norwegin Navy, still did do what they could to stop or delay the invasion
They are good looking ships,I'll have one.
it would be useful to know where ships were built
Ah a video from uncle Drach! Fuck yes
Bombardment of Copenhagen (1807) Or to early/soon?
Last time I was this early Bismarck was a Kanzler and not a ship.
I've read one reason the Norwegians didn't take the Nidaros back was that the dock at Horten was too small. Is this true? How big was the Horten dock?
Can you do an episode on Charles F. Adams-class?
Not exactly a warship but the sub tender Kommuna should get a video given its long history
Put the kettle on!
could you please give some love for the leander class frigates please drach? :)
Anything know what’s left of the two wrecks in Narvik? Were they left intact as war graves for the majority of their crew who went with them or did they end up getting unceremoniously scrapped post-war?
Both ships rest at the bottom of Narvik harbour (PS Eidsvold at a depth of about 24 meters, PS Norge at about 20 meters.) PS Eidsvold was partially scrapped and now I think mostly the hull itself remains. PS Norge is in significantly better condition. However both are starting to suffer from divers illegally removing parts and objects from them after the ban on diving was lifted in 2005.
Check out Deep Blue Sea on RUclips it has a video on diving “ Norge”
Were one of these the one that waved hello to the germans just before the K.M. gave them free of charge a few hot shells?
Might be. The Norwegians didn't know who the enemy was.....
Doubt it; the weather conditions in mind.
But where did you hear about such an incident?
Actually ~5 minutes! wow
Somehow we feel so cheated that a 5 minute guide is actually 5 minutes.
Damn sad that they had no chance to defend themselves, but...such is war.
Day 2 of asking drach to do a review on some royal thai navy ships(Htms thonburi class etc.)
Come see the Massachusetts
What does H do?
H Noms
that was short lol
uneventful ship until it sank
Norge
Takk for det. På den annen side :Det er deilig å være norsk. I Danmark....
I tillegg sendte vi den beste reklame for Gammel Dansk; Sissel Kjyrkjebø....
I see the Swedes' naval practices rubbed off on the Norwegians during the time of the personal union.
War should be called "The Stupid Olympics".
I find Norwegian battleships quite peculiar because of this cannon turret, very peculiar.
the two single turrets layout? It was a pretty standard design for the Nordic countries in very late 19th/early 20th century. Avoiding the danger of all of the primary armament being knocked out with one lucky hit which would have been the case of just having a one double turret.
what about the wrecks ?
Still in Narvik harbour. They are regarded as war graves, so noone is permitted to dive on them.....
@@Lassisvulgaris that´s very clear, I just wondered if someone has additional information on that.
If I'm not mistaken, I do believe they raised one of the ship bells and/or anchor, which is exhibited at the Narvik War Museum?
The Norwegian fleet provided excellent target practice for the German war machine...
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